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Are We Still Cowards? Wildcard: The Mangler (1995) · Fumbling Through Film

• 0:00
  Gathered together from the cosmic reaches of the universe, here in this great screening room with comfortable recliners, are the most powerful forces of good ever assembled. Keith!
• 0:11
  I don't think I fell asleep during the movie. Like, there's stuff I just didn't understand that started happening.
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  Terry!
• 0:17
  Well, did you hear the part where he's the Mangler 2.0?
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  Derek!
• 0:20
  You're telling me that JJJ Picture Man was actually the Mortician as well?
• 0:26
  And the power twins, Zap and Jordan, with their magical lemur snort dedicated Welcome back to Fumbling Their Way Through Movies, one forgotten gem at a time.
• 0:35
  This week we envy the dead with 1995's The Mangler.
• 0:39
  This is Fumbling Through Film.
• 0:42
  You haven't eaten much. What, you're not feeling well?
• 0:48
  There was an accident today, the worst one I've ever seen.
• 0:53
  Let's see. So, uh, how long is it now you've been chasing corpses?
• 1:07
  14 years.
• 1:10
  Oh, man, 14 years. You know, you need to spend some more time with the living.
• 1:19
  Jesus, you sound just like Sandy.
• 1:25
  Sandra really loved you.
• 1:26
  Whatever. I just gotta hang in there, get my 20 years in so I can retire and get the fuck out of this town before I turn completely numb.
• 1:38
  Yeah, well, uh, you know, Johnny, you really do need to get a life.
• 1:44
  I got a life. What I need is a beer.
• 1:54
  Hello and welcome to another one-of-a-kind, genre-defining, brand new episode of Fumbling Through Film, the only show I guarantee dares to bring together 3 dudes to talk about movies. These, however, they aren't just any movie.
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  Nope, not at all. No, I'd mangle anyone who said otherwise.
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  Well, Mangle this, Terry. These are the ones we missed or looked or feel are simply worth revisiting. That's any movie. It is.
• 2:29
  Yep.
• 2:30
  Well, luckily for you, my mangling takes a long 20-year process, so I'll be working on this.
• 2:36
  Slow mangler? Yep. My name is Derek. I'm a fumbler. Joining me here in the Mangle Dome is the Prime Minister of Fumbling and Film, Keith.
• 2:49
  Hey, hey, what's up? KG, fumbler extraordinaire. And I just wanna let you guys know I got my laundry done today and I'm still alive to tell you about it.
• 2:55
  Oh, nice.
• 2:56
  You're not allowed to tell us about your laundry?
• 2:59
  No, I'm still alive to tell you about it.
• 3:01
  Oh, you're still alive to tell us about it. Thank goodness.
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  Not only is he alive, he's allowed to tell us he did it.
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  Thank goodness. Thank goodness on all fronts. The other one that's allowed to tell us about his laundry is the doctor of Kansas, Terry.
• 3:15
  That's right. I'll tell you anything you want to know about my laundry. Um, and also I'm, uh, yeah, Mangling Through Film might be a great podcast name as well.
• 3:24
  I don't know. Fumbling Through Mangling.
• 3:28
  Through Mangling?
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  Where was that idea 2 years ago, Terry?
• 3:34
  Mangled by Film might be good.
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  Mangled by Film would be good. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And we only watch horrible films.
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  Oh God.
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  Mangled by Tubi.
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  Psychologically mangled.
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  You know what else is psychologically mangled?
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  This podcast?
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  This podcast. Me, because of this podcast.
• 3:52
  Oh no.
• 3:52
  So we better tell people what it is we're mangling here this week. Every week we watch movies, but not just any movie. Every month one of us chooses a theme, a genre, a guiding light. Some sort of mystery ingredient in an antacid that you don't know about till the very end.
• 4:12
  And
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  then we all adhere to that theme or genre or mystery ingredient in an antacid that we don't know about till the end. We choose the movie that, you know, falls in there. And then on the 4th week, we truly mangle as the wheel mangles us, uh, the Mangler or a movie. That can be mangled or whatever. That's what we're doing this week. It's a wheel.
• 4:37
  And I think we've definitely learned something new about the wheel this week.
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  Yeah.
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  Is it possessed by a demon?
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  It does not like to be told no twice.
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  This is DTF, Down to Fumble. Y2, year 2.
• 4:50
  Makes sense.
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  M11.
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  M?
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  M. That M stands for month.
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  Ah,
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  oh, sorry.
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  And that's Keith's month. So Keith, tell us what you gave us, because month 11 for us falls in the 10th calendar month, which is October, which is spooky season. Would you spook up for us?
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  I know we're kind of all cowards, but we just want to see how big of cowards we were. And I said, pick something from when you were younger, uh, that scared you then. And let's, let's go ahead and rewatch it and see how that shakes out.
• 5:21
  Yeah. In a month we've dubbed, are we still cowards?
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  Yeah.
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  Keith, what did you test us with the first week?
• 5:29
  Well, I, I figured we'd just dip our toes in a little bit to start, and I went with Arachnophobia.
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  Arachnophobia. Coward box checked. We're still cowards. Terry, you followed that up with?
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  Uh, Exorcism of Emily Rose.
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  Check. Cowards. Still cowards. Then I followed that up with Poltergeist. Triple check. So many cowards.
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  Oh God, we're such cowards. I never learned how cowardly we were till this month.
• 5:57
  Yep. And then last week we spun the wheel and we got Black Phone, and then Keith vetoed that, and we spun again and we got
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  Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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  Chainsaw Massacre.
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  Yeah.
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  And I vetoed that.
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  2, uh, critically well-acclaimed films.
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  Out of spite.
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  Yeah, because we had, we had 3 critically well-acclaimed films available, right?
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  Yes, because it got spun again and it landed on Terry's choice, The Mangler. Oh, thank God it landed on that.
• 6:27
  Yeah, I'm so glad you guys vetoed the other 2 options because really I just wanted to see Mangler so bad.
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  Now, before we talk about our viewing of The Mangler, before we get closer to The Mangler than any one person should, Did any of us have any previous knowledge, history, and/or experience with The Mangler?
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  I think it was mentioned during the deep dive of Poltergeist last week. So
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  yes.
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  Yeah.
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  I've read the short story. I liked the short story quite a bit. I'd heard of The Mangler movie. I'd heard it was horrible. Um, and that's really about it.
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  I, I had never heard of it. I— whether it was good or bad, had no idea. Didn't know it was based on a short story. Didn't know it was a thing until I deep-dived Poltergeist.
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  Yeah, you uncovered a hidden gem, didn't you?
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  And here we are, basking in the glow of a hidden Mangler gem. Now, Keith, you and I, we have gotta— we've gotta just relax. We gotta chill the F out because Terry is gonna get us dangerously close to the Mangler. Closer than we ever should have gotten in another patent-pending Fumbler's Deep Dive. That's
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  right.
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  Make
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  sure you
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  have that, make sure you have that, uh, the automatic, uh, stop thing.
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  The safety bar?
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  Yeah, it has a safety bar ready in case she gets too close, Terry.
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  Yeah, you don't want to get, you don't want to get too close to the deep dive of the Mangler. Like nobody wants to deep dive that deep. But yeah, might need that rope from last week. Just tie that around me. I'm going in there.
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  I might pull you out, Terry. We'll see how it goes.
• 8:16
  I might not.
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  I understand if you left me in there. Let me tell you, if there's any way to go out, just feed me to demonic laundry machine. Why not? So this movie was directed, of course, by Toby Hooper.
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  Yes,
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  we talked about him last week. We did. Director of Poltergeist. Hint supposedly. Yes, allegedly director.
• 8:38
  The alleged director. Yeah.
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  I like to believe he did it. He's one of the proclaimed masters of horror for reasons, um, probably because he directed Texas Chainsaw Massacre 1 and 2.
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  Yeah,
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  mostly 1. 2 I do not like, but 1 is amazing. And Poltergeist, of course, people seem to like that a lot, so that's probably why he's dubbed this. Um, he has also worked on, uh, other Stephen King projects, uh, Salem's Lot, Nay is probably the biggest one. Directed a couple episodes of that miniseries. Um, he directed a film called Eaten Alive where the hotel owner feeds unwelcome guests to his pet crocodile.
• 9:14
  Interesting.
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  How did this not come up?
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  I don't know. It's a hidden gem, just like Mangler. Um, he also directed a TV movie called Crocodile.
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  Okay.
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  So this is where a bunch of college kids, they go on vacation and you guessed this, they get attacked by a giant crocodile.
• 9:29
  Oh, I did guess that.
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  And then the last one I'll mention is he directed Lifeforce. This is about space vampires.
• 9:38
  Oh, I like the sound of that.
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  They come to London and begin infecting people. Um, but these are not normal.
• 9:44
  But they're space vampires. Why did they come to London?
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  They, they're invading from space.
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  Oh.
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  They had to start somewhere.
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  That's the first place I'm going.
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  They had to start somewhere.
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  I wanna ride that giant Ferris wheel.
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  Yeah, they hate that thing. Um, yeah, they're energy vampires, so they don't suck blood, they suck life force, hence the name. Never seen it, but actually I've heard it's decent. Who knows? I may never find out. Yeah. So of course this film was written also by Toby Hooper, but there's a couple other people: Stephen David Brooks and Harry Allen Towers. And of course it was based off Stephen King's short story, so he gets a little credit in there too. Good for him. Good for him. So Stephen David Brooks hadn't done a whole lot of stuff. He has written and directed mostly music videos. The works of Rochelle Vincent-Yvonne Kay, an Australian electronic artist. I've never heard of her. And then the Tearaways, who are a pop rock band. I never heard of them either, but he did a lot of music videos for both of them. He did do some work in special effects. Uh, highlights: he was the effects supervisor on The Mangler.
• 10:48
  Okay.
• 10:49
  Uh, he was also part of the effects crew for Lifeforce, uh, supervisor of effects on Spontaneous Combustion. And that was also directed by Tobe Hooper. And then he's also done some other stuff. He was effects on Dick Tracy, Spaceballs. You may have heard of it.
• 11:06
  Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah, he wrote The Mangler. He did. He was the manager of effects on The Mangler. Yes. Okay. Mangler. But that's very close to his heart, I guess. Maybe he didn't direct it. Tobe Hooper. He trusted Tobe Hooper to do that, allegedly. Harry Allen Towers. He's credited as well, but he went by Peter Welbeck for this movie, a pseudonym of his. And he used that pseudonym a lot. So not just for Mangler, not just for movies like The Mangler. He did it for everything. A lot of things. He wrote Code Seven, Victim Five. Death Drum.
• 11:40
  Hmm?
• 11:41
  Oh, I'm sorry. Not Kolchak. You said Code Seven, Victim Five.
• 11:45
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, don't worry. I will chime in.
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  D.
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  Cojacker Kolchak. I chime in.
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  Okay.
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  Death Drums Along the River. Coast of Skeletons, and he wrote something I actually watched for October this year.
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  Oh,
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  he wrote the English version of 1970s Count Dracula.
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  Okay,
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  starring Christopher Lee as Dracula.
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  Nice.
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  And what's his name is Van Helsing? Peter Cushing?
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  Nope, nope. See, this is where the confusion begins because that's
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  what oh no.
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  Because that's what I thought I was watching. What I was actually watching was like a different version of that. It's not the Hammer film. The Hammer films are with, yeah, Peter Cushing, Christopher Lee. This is different.
• 12:33
  Dracula gets some magic shoes?
• 12:35
  No, I wish. That'd be cool. So it's weird because, yeah, Christopher Lee does play Dracula in these Hammer films, but somehow they got him to play Dracula in this 1970s Count Dracula. It claims to be the most faithful adaptation of Dracula yet, at least for the time. But it's basically like any Dracula movie you've ever seen. It's really like the same, but kind of just generic in general. So it didn't stand out much in my opinion. So it's kind of a disappointment. He also wrote Gore and Gore 2. So this is about a professor who gets transported accidentally through space and time to a medieval, almost Robert E. Howard-esque realm of fantasy.
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  Okay.
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  A Ron Howard world of fantasy. Nice.
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  Ron Howard, Robert E. Howard. I think they're related. They might be cousins. I think they he fights an evil king. Not sure he fights in the second one, but for the first one he definitely fights. But that in the second one he does get transported back to the weird fantasy world again. So dang it, that sucks.
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  Sucks for him, but awesome for us because we for the audience fantasy world.
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  Yeah, Gore too. Thank God.
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  I wouldn't mind going to a fantasy world. That sounds kind of fun.
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  Could be fun. Kind of fancy it is.
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  Yeah. Whose fantasy are we talking about?
• 13:43
  It's called Gore, so it can't be that good.
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  It might be awesome, but it might be disgusting. Welcome to Gore World. You'll never guess what's on this world. I don't want to know. So yeah, stars Robert Englund, this film. He plays Bill Gartley, the evil businessman. We all know Robert Englund. He played Freddy Krueger, Nightmare on Elm Street. He played Freddy in 8 Nightmare on Elm Street films if you count Freddy vs. Jason. Which you should. But he's played Freddy in a lot of other things too. It's kind of crazy. His claim to fame is Freddy Krueger. Besides that though, he, uh, it's been a little more hit or miss, I would say. He played the Phantom in Phantom of the Opera, which when you look at the movie poster, it has Freddy Krueger on the poster. Oh, like with the putting the mask on, and it says Robert Englund played Freddy, now he's the Phantom of the Opera, a whole new nightmare. So they're using Freddy to cash in like this, you know, Marketing, uh, but he's not— the only like relatable part is because it's Robert Englund in it. He's not like referencing Freddy at all.
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  Speaking of which, in that opening clip that we just had, isn't there like a bit of like the Nightmare on Elm Street like theme?
• 14:54
  Yeah,
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  I don't know. I, I heard— when I heard it when I was watching the first time, I kind of chuckled myself because it sounded very much like—
• 15:00
  How many times did you watch this, Keith?
• 15:02
  Just once.
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  Okay.
• 15:03
  No, like that background, uh, music that they kind of have just Oh, just kind of like a mysterious kind of like music there. It sounded like it briefly in that little scene that we played earlier to me, at least to
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  me. Could have been a homage to Robert Englund. Could
• 15:18
  be. I— that's— I kind of thought maybe that's what it was.
• 15:20
  But Robert Englund wasn't in that scene though.
• 15:23
  That's true.
• 15:24
  That's a good point. I don't know what to tell you. It's just reminding me of the music.
• 15:27
  Look, they had to squeeze it in somewhere and they thought, okay, where's the perfect spot?
• 15:31
  If you do it here Because they didn't ask for permission. If we sneak it in when Robert Englund's not on screen,
• 15:38
  oh yeah, the the censors won't notice.
• 15:41
  He he they want to do a bunch of times. He's like, hell no.
• 15:44
  I won't reference Nightmare on Elm Street.
• 15:46
  I'm trying not to be Freddy anymore. God damn it.
• 15:48
  Yeah, I want to be Bill Gartley now. He he is iconic though. You gotta admit it. He was also in Wishmaster, which is a favorite of mine actually. 1997 Wishmaster. It's about an evil genie goes around twisting people's wishes, using the wishes to kill them. Um, pretty good movie, kind of hilarious, kind of a horror comedy. Pretty good practical effects too for the time, at least the first one. Pretty awesome. Uh, I actually really like that movie. He was also in Urban Legends, uh, where people are dying in ways that correlate to mysterious urban legends, like hook-hand guy, you know. That's the only one I can think of.
• 16:24
  I saw that movie.
• 16:25
  What'd you
• 16:26
  think in theaters? I think it was. I think it was the first date, so I don't really remember much of the movie.
• 16:31
  So, all right.
• 16:33
  What does that mean?
• 16:34
  I don't want to know.
• 16:36
  Yeah, obviously he was preoccupied. It was the first date. I was, you know, just trying to make sure I was being gentleman, all those nice things.
• 16:42
  You took her to see Urban Legend?
• 16:44
  I do. She picked it, not me.
• 16:46
  Well, it was probably really good. Um, probably. We'll never know.
• 16:52
  It could maybe not be that movie. I don't know. I was just kind of— Urban Legends 2? No, it definitely wasn't that. No.
• 16:58
  Okay.
• 16:59
  I would never go see the sequel to that.
• 17:00
  Well, maybe it was, uh, Pinocchio Unstrung.
• 17:05
  That's first date movie material right there
• 17:08
  because he was in that and he voiced the cricket.
• 17:10
  He was the voice of Jiminy Cricket?
• 17:13
  Yes. He voiced—
• 17:14
  is this like his Freddy voice? That'd be crazy.
• 17:16
  I mean, he sounds kind of like Freddy because he's Robert Englund, but I don't know. Pinocchio Unstrung is a, uh, disturbing reimagining of Pinocchio. It's one of those, uh, I think Pinocchio went into, uh, like the public, and so now they're making horror films about Pinocchio. Um, and this Pinocchio, uh, he wants to be a real boy, so he kills people and takes their flesh.
• 17:40
  That makes sense. That's how I would do it if I were a little wooden boy.
• 17:44
  If I was a wooden boy, I wouldn't know any better. I would take some flesh.
• 17:48
  Yeah.
• 17:48
  Yeah,
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  why not?
• 17:50
  Maybe a pound of it. Oh
• 17:51
  yeah, I'll take a pound of flesh from everybody I can find. So you don't have many pounds of flesh.
• 17:55
  You'd be surprised how little a pound of flesh actually is. Flesh is pretty dense.
• 18:01
  Yeah, it's— it, uh, doesn't add up as quickly as you think in terms of quantity of flesh, but weight-wise, like, you'll be Carrying around just a little bag of flesh and it'll be weighing so much.
• 18:13
  Yeah, it's so heavy.
• 18:14
  Flesh is kind of like a black hole in some ways.
• 18:17
  It's water weight, right? But if you can— if you dehydrate the flesh— not that I ever have, just saying— if you do make
• 18:24
  some nice jerky, then
• 18:24
  make flesh jerky, it'd be a lot lighter. Yeah,
• 18:27
  yeah. And then you can just hydrate it later.
• 18:29
  Yeah, exactly.
• 18:30
  And then you don't need— then you don't need to go spend money at Buc-ee's jerky. Just—
• 18:34
  yes.
• 18:35
  You shouldn't spend money at Buc-ee's anyway.
• 18:37
  Apparently you get a lot of free samples there.
• 18:39
  I don't care.
• 18:39
  Hmm, probably not a lot of free human flesh samples though.
• 18:43
  No. Well, not for lack of trying.
• 18:45
  Buc-ee's has been trying to make that legal for a long time. Yes, luckily— well, or unlucky for some people— it just hasn't. The, you know, courts have deemed that illegal so far. Um, so far. Damn
• 18:58
  courts,
• 18:59
  they're ruining everything. But I thought that was interesting. You know, Pinocchio wants to be a real boy, so why not just wear the flesh of his victims? In the trailer, he, uh, it was kind of amazing. There's a lady taking a shower and he's laying on the floor outside the shower. She doesn't notice and she steps right on his nose and it stabs right through her foot. Oh, that's kind of awesome.
• 19:19
  Yeah, I agree.
• 19:21
  What a creative way. Yes. I wasn't sure what was going to happen, but that shocked me. So this also stars Ted Levine as John Hunton. He's the police guy in this film.
• 19:33
  He's
• 19:34
  been in quite a bit, famously Silence of the Lambs. He was the main killer guy in that.
• 19:38
  Yes. And what I learned is that's his voice.
• 19:43
  Yes, his voice is strange.
• 19:45
  I thought that was just the Buffalo Bill voice. I didn't realize that the character choice was to use his real voice.
• 19:53
  Yeah, I thought they like deepened it, like deepened it in post or something.
• 19:57
  Nope, that's just how he talks.
• 19:59
  He talks very weird, and I'm not sure I feel about it. Uh, he also was the warden in Shutter Island, which interestingly enough is my next, uh, movie in my Martin Scorsese watch journey. I've been watching—
• 20:12
  that is interesting.
• 20:14
  It's interesting that you bring that up.
• 20:16
  Yeah, too bad this is the wheel week and I can't use that. He was in Heat. Uh, he was in the very first Fast and Furious movie, Keith. You know, he was a police officer.
• 20:25
  With the weird voice.
• 20:28
  Yeah, you don't remember that guy?
• 20:30
  No, actually, I don't remember that guy.
• 20:32
  With the weird chest in the basket. Uh, he voiced Sinestro in those Justice League cartoons.
• 20:37
  Does he really?
• 20:38
  Yeah, I don't remember that.
• 20:40
  I don't— that's true. His voice is not the voice of Sinestro. Sorry.
• 20:44
  Yeah, he's not, not my Sinestro, that's for sure.
• 20:46
  No, no. I didn't fall for him.
• 20:48
  Hashtag not my sister.
• 20:51
  He was in the steampunk classic Wild Wild West.
• 20:55
  Classic indeed.
• 20:56
  Yeah. Starring Will Smith, of course. Will Smith has to save the president from a mad scientist who's a master—
• 21:03
  Is that the premise of that movie?
• 21:05
  Yes.
• 21:06
  I've never seen it.
• 21:07
  The scientist is like a master steampunk guy. He makes steampunk things. I have seen it, and I remember not liking it very much at all.
• 21:15
  I don't think anybody did.
• 21:16
  But how many steampunk? How many steampunk films are there? It's got to be a classic.
• 21:20
  Not many.
• 21:21
  Yeah. Here's an evolution—a movie from my childhood. I watched a few times. Not revisited it since I was a kid, but it's about a crew tries to stop an alien who keeps evolving since it landed on Earth.
• 21:33
  Yeah, that's with David Duchovny, right?
• 21:36
  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
• 21:37
  I never liked that movie when I saw it. Long ago.
• 21:40
  Remember there's a scene where like something crawls underneath people's skin?
• 21:43
  It's got, uh, what's it, Orlando, uh, Jones in it, right?
• 21:46
  Is that what his last name is?
• 21:47
  It's not Orlando Bloom.
• 21:48
  No, I know that. I couldn't, I couldn't remember what his last name was. I didn't think it was—
• 21:51
  yeah, Orlando Jones, American comedian and actor,
• 21:55
  famously in Evolution.
• 21:56
  Yeah, and 7-Up commercials back in the day as well.
• 21:59
  Oh, he was? Wow, that's kind of cool. Agreed. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that, uh, He was in a Michael Crichton-inspired film. It's been a trend this month, so I figured I'd bring it up.
• 22:13
  Oh
• 22:13
  God, he was in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom.
• 22:16
  Okay.
• 22:18
  Not really based off of a book by Michael Crichton, but you know, it's in the franchise spawned by the popular book of Michael Crichton's Jurassic Park. This one has a team, uh, trying to save dinosaurs from an exploding volcano that will destroy the island and kill all dinosaurs on the planet. They saved them, I think. And there's also a horrible auction where they're selling dinosaurs to the military and other creepy people.
• 22:41
  Oh no.
• 22:42
  There's a super raptor, the Indoraptor, I believe is its name. And it's like designed to kill more than usual.
• 22:49
  More than it normally would want to kill. This raptor really wants to kill.
• 22:58
  Like in this one, like if you point a laser pointer at somebody, the raptor knows that's who it's supposed to kill and goes and kills.
• 23:03
  Well, what if the raptor is just being like a cat?
• 23:06
  Hmm.
• 23:06
  You know, cats attack the point, the laser pointer.
• 23:09
  Yeah, it doesn't— like, you could point at the wall and the raptor might just go kill the wall.
• 23:12
  Exactly. That's what I'm saying.
• 23:14
  They seem to think they've trained this raptor, but I think the raptor probably trained the people. Like, oh, it likes the pointer. So that's, you know, it does what the people want because it wants— it's trained the people to use the pointer. Military raptors, pretty cool. Uh, Michael Crichton probably would appreciate that. I think
• 23:29
  military raptors is not cool. I'm sorry, Terry, it's not.
• 23:32
  Whoa. Are you serious? They're so cool.
• 23:35
  I'm very serious.
• 23:36
  Could you imagine the possibilities of sending a Raptor out into combat?
• 23:40
  No, I can't imagine those possibilities. Maybe that's why, and at my old age here now, I just, I don't have the vision to appreciate military Raptors.
• 23:51
  Yeah, it takes a— it's a young man's game. Yeah, I mean, it takes a certain youthful energy to really appreciate a military Raptor.
• 24:01
  I think so.
• 24:02
  Yeah, I, I appreciate that.
• 24:04
  Oh, well, Keith's young at heart, so makes sense. But yeah, I remember that movie not being that great. That raptor actually is pretty creepy in that, so I'll give it credit. It looks, uh, it was kind of almost like a slasher movie at some points with that raptor.
• 24:16
  Yeah, I'm trying to think what would make a military raptor more scary than a normal raptor.
• 24:22
  Well, it's bigger.
• 24:24
  Does it do like the Pledge of Allegiance at the beginning or something like that? Or—
• 24:27
  It's very patriotic, like in a scary way. Yeah.
• 24:31
  Screams, don't tread on me, as it runs.
• 24:33
  Yeah, well, it's got that tattooed on it. It's like—
• 24:37
  Exactly, 1776 on one side
• 24:40
  and
• 24:40
  the snake on the other. Yep,
• 24:42
  whatever that military— the Marines motto, like, on its back, even though it's never served.
• 24:47
  Raptors into stolen Valor too.
• 24:49
  Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, well, once, once again, the military is not willing to accept Raptors into the army,
• 24:56
  right? So stolen Valor Raptors.
• 24:59
  This is why it has to be sold at a shady auction.
• 25:01
  Makes sense.
• 25:03
  Makes a lot of sense. You know what else makes sense is, uh, this movie also stars Daniel Matmore as Mark Jackson.
• 25:09
  Super sense. Which one was Mark Jackson? Was that the long-haired weirdo that lived in the woods?
• 25:15
  I think, yeah, the detective guy's brother-in-law.
• 25:17
  That's his brother-in-law?
• 25:19
  Yes, that's his—
• 25:20
  Why did it ever say that?
• 25:22
  It literally said it in the clip we watched.
• 25:24
  It did?
• 25:26
  I think so, didn't
• 25:27
  it? No,
• 25:28
  I was too busy listening to the Nightmare on Elm Street music.
• 25:30
  It might not have said it, but he did— they do say that one a few times where he's the brother-in-law. He is the brother of the detective's dead wife.
• 25:37
  Boy, I missed that part.
• 25:39
  Mangler was a pretty early film in his career, but he's been in quite a bit since then. Not a lot that I really recognize, but, uh, he was in Far Cry 2, the video game. He voiced the character in that.
• 25:49
  Okay.
• 25:50
  Uh, he was in The Taken TV series as a train conductor.
• 25:54
  Uh-huh.
• 25:55
  For one episode. Just—
• 25:56
  oh, it's not even a recurring role. Goddamn
• 25:58
  it. Well, he was hoping the train conductor would catch on,
• 26:04
  but he made some like really bold choices with the train conductor. Had a limp, walked all funny and stuff.
• 26:11
  Oh yeah, I had a cool accent.
• 26:13
  Hoping people would just be clamoring for a train conductor to come back, but nope.
• 26:17
  Yeah, no, unfortunately not. Um, he was in the show Reign. Uh, he was in The Strain. And of course, Murdoch Mysteries.
• 26:26
  Of the Brain. He only does things that— in productions that rhyme now.
• 26:31
  I tried so hard to find something else that rhymed with Reign and Strain. Uh, he was in, uh, Damien, the TV show based off of Omen.
• 26:42
  And he played train conductor.
• 26:45
  He was in one episode, I believe, but not as train conductor. I don't remember what he played.
• 26:50
  The trolley conductor.
• 26:51
  Yeah, he's— well, he's an expert at playing conductors. He might even have been an orchestra conductor. I don't know. This show is, uh, Damien has grown up. He's a policeman, but he must cope with the realization that he is the Antichrist.
• 27:04
  So the Antichrist— well, now it's very believable. I believe that the Antichrist could be a policeman, no problem.
• 27:11
  Yeah, it's kind of funny that he doesn't know he's the Antichrist. Yeah, I kind of believe that too, honestly. This guy sucks. He doesn't even know it. Yeah, it seemed like a weird way to go with it because if I watched all the Omen movies semi-recently as well, um, and I believe it's the 4th one where he's an adult and he's like a business owner and he's like very evil in that on purpose. So,
• 27:39
  okay,
• 27:39
  then this, it seems like they take a different direction. I don't know, maybe he can change. I don't know, maybe the Antichrist can become the anti-Antichrist.
• 27:46
  Didn't they do a remake of The Omen? They tried to like reboot it or something?
• 27:49
  Oh, the first Omen. Yeah, that was a really good movie actually.
• 27:53
  I think I remember seeing that and liking it. The first one's like from the late '70s, right? Or early '80s. And I remember it was like— I think that my parents watched a lot of horror movies and would reference them. Uh, when I was a kid, but they wouldn't let me watch any of them, obviously, because I was a goddamn coward. But I remember them talking. They would always reference Damien and The Omen for some reason.
• 28:20
  So yeah.
• 28:21
  Actually, in reference to you?
• 28:23
  Possibly. I, I was not a bad kid, but maybe.
• 28:26
  Yeah, well, there's signs. You'll know if you're the Antichrist by the signs.
• 28:30
  Yeah, the 3 6s is one.
• 28:33
  Yeah, namely the 3 6s, like, that are the birthmark on your forehead or wherever. Yeah, that usually is the biggest sign, but there's other signs too, like dogs following you around and barking at people who get close to you. Maybe the housemates hang themselves around you. It's just, you know, for
• 28:50
  you. They don't just hang themselves around you, they do it for you.
• 28:53
  This is for you, Damien. Yes, yes. Um, yeah, no, First Omen was surprisingly really good, and actually it's my favorite Omen movie.
• 29:01
  Yeah, I had the itch to watch that because I watched Rosemary's Baby this last week for the first time, and that was outstanding.
• 29:10
  That's a really good movie.
• 29:11
  Yeah, that was primo movie. I was like, wow, this is really good. So maybe you want to watch The Omen, but I just haven't had a chance to fire it up yet.
• 29:19
  Yeah, well, maybe someday you'll get your, your chance. Maybe we'll do Antichrist films.
• 29:23
  Next month is your month, Terry.
• 29:26
  Oh, it's up to me. I might choose that, you never know. He was also in the TV movie The Great Martian War, 19 1913 to 1917.
• 29:34
  That was the name of it? The Great Martian War from 1913 to 1917?
• 29:39
  Yeah.
• 29:40
  Oh boy.
• 29:40
  It's a pseudo-documentary. It's retelling the story of the Great Martian War, but it's like a mashup, like War of the Worlds meets World War I, historical fiction. It's like, what if instead of World War I, a Martian ship or something crash-landed and they invaded and we had to fight off the Martians instead?
• 30:01
  Okay,
• 30:01
  it actually sounded kind of cool. I'd totally like, you know, like World War Z. If there was like a book called The Great Martian War 1913 to 1917, I'd probably read it.
• 30:09
  Okay, well, hear that, authors?
• 30:12
  Any authors out there want to write The Great Martian War 1913 to 1917?
• 30:16
  And not just the adaptation, the, the novelization of the old movie.
• 30:22
  No,
• 30:24
  I want unique ideas, different, but that
• 30:26
  fall within the confines
• 30:28
  of
• 30:28
  The Great Martian War 1913,
• 30:31
  that 4-year I want a unique idea, but I want the title to be exactly the same, and I want it to fall within those 4 years, and I want it to be World War I meets War of the Worlds. So get on that, writers.
• 30:43
  But unique. Bring your own spin to it.
• 30:46
  Exactly. Bring, bring a cool twist to it. Like, I don't know, maybe they're not from Mars, maybe they're from Neptune.
• 30:52
  Oh boy, what a twist.
• 30:55
  What a twist that the Great Martian War, 1913 to 1917, didn't even feature Martians. That would be a twist. Um, so here's some fun facts before we end out the Mangler deep dive.
• 31:08
  All right,
• 31:09
  Jim Cummings, you've all known him, famous voice actor. He played Tasmanian Devil, Winnie the Pooh, Darkwing Duck, Shredder from Ninja Turtles.
• 31:19
  Yes.
• 31:20
  He's played a lot of stuff. Yeah, but the most iconic role is As the Mangler.
• 31:28
  I was gonna say, was the— the Mangler doesn't talk.
• 31:31
  But it makes noises, and that's what he did.
• 31:33
  Oh my God, they spent money on that?
• 31:35
  Mm-hmm. Jim Cummings.
• 31:38
  Most of the budget.
• 31:38
  And, and this is not to disparage the work of Jim Cummings because he did a fine job, but the fact that they went out and got a top-tier voice actor to do this, like, was going to make a difference. They could have got anybody to make noises.
• 31:55
  Yeah, it seems like maybe a bit much. Um, so what's funny is that he got miscredited on the movie. They called him Tim Cummings.
• 32:07
  Yeah, do me a favor, don't use my real name.
• 32:10
  Yeah, he said that he was glad because in hindsight he does not— well, like, he was glad in hindsight they mistyped his name because he did not like the movie at all. And he said that it wasn't worth the strain it put on his voice to do it. He's like, it was a lot of work to make those mangler sounds, and the, the product of the film was not worth my voice potentially being damaged. Good for him for still pushing through it.
• 32:35
  Yeah, good. Yeah, good for him. I'm glad it didn't like— what if it like ruined his vocal cords? He might never do voices again.
• 32:42
  Winnie the Pooh— next time you see Winnie the Pooh, he's got like a raspy smoker's voice.
• 32:46
  3-pack-a-day smoker.
• 32:50
  I'm stuck in the window again with the honey. What a great iconic moment. Um, the photographer shown throughout this film, a main character for some reason, is also the same actor who played the mortician in this film. Hmm, isn't that weird? Mortician's his normal state, and he put on heavy old-age makeup to become that weird photographer guy.
• 33:12
  Why? He wanted 2 paychecks.
• 33:16
  Yeah, I'm like, what are they trying to say with this? What's the purpose? Usually when you have an actor playing
• 33:20
  two characters, you're telling me that JJJ Picture Man was actually the mortician as well?
• 33:27
  Yes. What
• 33:29
  was his name as the mortician?
• 33:32
  I think it's just JJ. JJ the Mortician Man. Yeah, dead man. I don't know, but I think it's kind of interesting. Are there some thematic elements between those two characters? No. Uh, upon release, this only made $1 million and it screened in 800 screens in the US. That's weird.
• 33:54
  That's a million more than I would have thought.
• 33:58
  Yeah, it's— I mean, a million dollars, nothing to cough at.
• 34:02
  But I'm gonna tell you, no, I'll take a million bucks right now. Anybody want to give it to me, I'll take it. But I guarantee it made a million dollars because at the top of the poster it said Director of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Tobe Hooper. Star of A Nightmare on Elm Street, Robert Englund. Based on a short story by Stephen King.
• 34:22
  Yes, it's the 2 names.
• 34:23
  It got the million bucks, just those 3 things. The quality of the movie could have got it more, but—
• 34:29
  But why bother?
• 34:30
  Why bother?
• 34:31
  Uh, it was filmed in Africa and London, but it takes place in Maine in the movie.
• 34:36
  Interesting. Why Africa?
• 34:38
  Yeah.
• 34:39
  I don't know. I don't
• 34:41
  know. Is this like— I, I was going to compare it to jiu-jitsu later on, but is this like the— there was some African country that was supposed to offer like film credits, like movie credits or whatever, like
• 34:55
  pay for the production
• 34:56
  costs? Yeah, and they never did, and then now they're banned from that country.
• 35:00
  Maybe. Or maybe they saw the product, we're like, we can't let Africa be known as the Mangler. It's like the biggest production. Stephen King. He's not a big fan of this adaptation.
• 35:10
  Hmm,
• 35:12
  fair.
• 35:12
  He is a fan of Tobe Hooper, uh, in general, but he did not like several aspects about this film, including Robert Englund's character. He does not understand why it needed to be included. And he does, uh, well, he appreciates the visuals of the film. He thought that he does. That's what he said. Uh, I think he's trying to find compliments because he likes Tobe Hooper as a guy. And then he, uh, he thought that the— this— his story, his original story got lost deeply into the adaptation.
• 35:42
  I don't know what the original story is, but if it's anything remotely close to this, I'll never read it.
• 35:48
  I mean, there's some similar elements, but this— they really take some liberties. It's been a long time.
• 35:54
  Stephen King was just really mad at his dry cleaner. That's what it sounds like.
• 35:57
  Yeah, well, he did work in a dry cleaning place or a laundry place.
• 36:02
  Was Robert Englund character in this short story?
• 36:05
  No.
• 36:06
  So that was completely fabricated for this movie?
• 36:10
  Yeah. Aren't you glad he was in this? He's, uh, it was fabricated. So that's interesting. That's why Stephen King probably thought it was not, uh, not worth it. Uh, there is a Mangler 2. Somehow this made a million dollars, so I guess good enough to make a Mangler 2.
• 36:28
  It was straight to DVD though, I think, right?
• 36:30
  Yeah, it was. Uh, and this is about a teenage girl. She mistakenly downloads the Mangler 2.0 computer virus into her high school's new state-of-the-art computer system. And you guess what? Things go wrong.
• 36:41
  What does that have to do with anything? What's that to do with this?
• 36:46
  The Mangler 2.0 computer virus.
• 36:48
  The Mangler is, is not computer. It's not a computer. It's a giant machine with like chains and stuff.
• 36:57
  Well, did you hear the part where he's the Mangler 2.0?
• 36:59
  I get that. I did. I did hear that, Terry. Thank you. Thank you for reminding me because I lost my mind there a little bit. Brought me back to earth. You're right.
• 37:11
  You make some good points because that has nothing to do with computers.
• 37:14
  I made a point. I made one singular point.
• 37:17
  You made a good point. And look, I don't know how I leaped from Mangler 1 to Mangler 2. I have no idea. I'm not going to watch Mangler 2, probably. Maybe. I'm curious after reading the synopsis. Honestly, I am kind of curious. Yeah, but are you— is it worth it? There's no way that it's better than Mangler 1, right?
• 37:39
  Well, there's, there's no way it's worse than Mangler 1, right?
• 37:44
  It has a 2.5 out of 10 on IMDb, Mangler 2. I don't know what Mangler 1 has because I took out— I changed tabs too quickly.
• 37:53
  I can tell you real fast if you want.
• 37:55
  I'd love that.
• 37:56
  Uh, it has a, uh, 4.5.
• 38:01
  Okay, so Mangler 2 is 2 stars below, but I guarantee less people have seen Mangler 2, so it's probably got, you know, less, uh, splash of reviews.
• 38:11
  Yeah, probably.
• 38:12
  And it stars Lance Hankerson, so that's cool. Then don't forget about Mangler Reborn. A decade after the original mask.
• 38:21
  Do we though?
• 38:22
  Well, it's been 10 years, so most people have forgotten. But another man who's obsessed over his machine ends with several murders in possession. So this sounds a little more in line with, uh, OG Mangler. It's more machine-based. There's murders. It's not a computer virus as far as I can tell. But yeah, surprisingly, three Mangler films. So that's pretty neat.
• 38:53
  I don't remember people's names and faces very well. So,
• 38:57
  and that's in real life, let alone movies.
• 38:59
  Yeah, let alone like celebrities trying to like people know celebrities. I don't, I don't, I don't care either. Just too hard.
• 39:08
  But you do now know Mangler too, and I guarantee you'll never forget that.
• 39:12
  Yeah, Mangler 2.0.
• 39:13
  When people at work, they're like, hey, you know so-and-so? I'm like, what other movies were they in?
• 39:19
  Yeah, I don't know anything.
• 39:22
  Just other people.
• 39:23
  I know nothing about nothing. I do know this: we're here, we have to talk about our viewing of The Mangler from 1995.
• 39:33
  Yep.
• 39:33
  Based upon the Stephen King short story.
• 39:36
  Yeah.
• 39:37
  I feel like the based upon the Stephen King short story. It's like when somebody says based on a— based on true events.
• 39:44
  Yes. Right?
• 39:46
  They, they take, oh, there was a story about a boy that found a dog in the woods and the dog was healthy, and like, okay, that would take that bit right there and we'll turn that dog into some superhero or super killer or something like that. We just don't know. Yeah, that's based on like the fact that Stephen King dignified this movie with reaction. Uh, I mean, he got paid for it, I imagine.
• 40:11
  Yeah, I, um, I don't remember much because it's been probably at least 15 years since I read that short story, but it was really short too. Like, it wasn't super long. I, I, and I liked the premise. It's kind of that classic Stephen King thing where he's like, here's this ordinary object and now it's scary somehow. And it was good. It got— I got my fill of the demonic laundry machine and we're done. This film really milks that premise until it's dried and just keeps milking it. I'm so— I was like, this can't— it doesn't support its weight, you know what I mean? Like, I don't want to watch an hour and a half, longer than that, of this movie and this idea. It's not that good. It could be if maybe it was like a little more like over the top and ridiculous, but I feel like the movie takes itself very seriously too.
• 40:59
  Yeah, there was a point where I— at the early on where I'm like, is this gonna be a comedy? Are they trying to be funny? But no.
• 41:07
  Yes,
• 41:08
  they
• 41:08
  weren't. When the old lady is leaning back against the Mangler.
• 41:13
  Yes.
• 41:13
  And her arm is like uncomfortably behind her, like reaching towards the Mangler. I'm like, no one would sit like that naturally. And you did just see another woman's arm get like mangled by the Mangler. Why are you leaning against the Mangler and reaching your arm so far back? Like, it's just kind of an annoying premise, right? Because it's like, just stop going near the Mangler.
• 41:36
  Yes.
• 41:38
  Well, okay, I guess it does get you at some point. It will get up and move.
• 41:41
  Yeah, it's not gonna move and it's not gonna turn into its own sentient creature and chase you around, is it?
• 41:47
  Down some stairs?
• 41:48
  No, no way it'll do that.
• 41:50
  As long as you don't feed it a Or virgin
• 41:54
  blood.
• 41:54
  Yeah.
• 41:55
  The blood of a virgin.
• 41:57
  Or wait until like the last 30 minutes to explain that like there's a whole history of people that have been sacrificed to it on their 16th birthday for like going back.
• 42:09
  Every high-ranking public official in this town has lost their daughter shortly after their 16th birthday party.
• 42:19
  Yes, every one of them. 16-year-old virgin daughter
• 42:23
  and
• 42:23
  gets killed off to keep them in power.
• 42:25
  And they're all missing one finger off their arms
• 42:28
  and hands.
• 42:28
  Yes. Well, luckily the fingers are gone off the arms, but the hands is the important part. That's where fingers should be.
• 42:37
  Yeah, like that, like that doctor holds up his, his hand as he's walking away.
• 42:41
  It was the Hail Hydra moment.
• 42:43
  Oh God, it's like, how deep does this go?
• 42:47
  So deep.
• 42:48
  Deeper than the rest of the movie let on, that's for sure.
• 42:51
  Oh God.
• 42:53
  It's— look, it's bad. This is really bad, this movie.
• 42:57
  I think this movie is— I'm watching it thinking, is this the worst movie we've
• 43:06
  watched? Because I think
• 43:07
  it might be.
• 43:08
  It's like bottom 5 for sure.
• 43:10
  It's, it's definitely pushing.
• 43:13
  It is so bad.
• 43:14
  It's on the Mount Rushmore. They're starting to chisel it in there.
• 43:18
  There's a, there's a face of the Mangler just on the side of a mountain. It's Robert Englund's face in that horrible makeup.
• 43:25
  I don't know. I think it takes so long to get to the parts that would make the movie interesting. You know, like the fact that all these people are sacrificing their, their daughters. to this thing of also doing the exorcism type thing on it. Like every time they threw something on it, like it just like blew everything back. Um, but then like the thing coming back to life and like coming back around and like actually chasing them and stuff. I, I don't know. It just, uh, it seemed to like just take so long to get to things that would've made the story cool and then kind of just, yeah, brushed over and moved on. I don't think I fell asleep during the movie. Um, I was building a Lego set through most of it. Like, there's stuff I just didn't understand that started happening. Like, Robert, uh, the Robert Englund character, and like— You didn't understand that? Well, like, suddenly that he's date— like, he's together with that one lady, but I don't understand what that was. Or how that happened.
• 44:33
  Um, I don't either.
• 44:35
  They had 2 women.
• 44:37
  Yes, that looked very similar.
• 44:39
  The same height, the same build, the same fucking hair. I could not tell. I thought there was a singular woman.
• 44:50
  Me too.
• 44:50
  And then they find out there was 2.
• 44:54
  Yes, I remember there's 2 and one hated the other.
• 44:59
  There's no way. And that's his niece?
• 45:02
  Yeah.
• 45:03
  Yes. Was the niece the one that was in the bathroom taking a bath and said, are you going to come in here?
• 45:10
  Well, she calls him uncle.
• 45:11
  Yeah. So who is that? I think everyone called him uncle.
• 45:16
  Oh.
• 45:17
  I don't know what was going on.
• 45:19
  I don't know if they're both his niece or one of them is his niece.
• 45:21
  And he creepily walked over there and like started taking off the I was like, is he just faking that he needs those? That's right here. No. And since she looks all worried, and next thing you know, she's like—
• 45:32
  Now she's evil.
• 45:33
  She's all gussied up. Yeah, she's evil.
• 45:36
  She's missing a finger. Now she gets fed to the Mangler at the end.
• 45:41
  Yes.
• 45:42
  And then when the 16-year-old niece comes back— spoiler— and she's running the plant, I thought it was the other woman No, resurrected from the Mangler.
• 45:55
  No.
• 45:56
  Well, also when he walks in there at the end, like pretty much everyone looks exactly the same. So I was like, was there like a weird like time reboot? Like reset?
• 46:06
  It was
• 46:07
  with the exception of Michael Madsen walking through there at the end.
• 46:10
  It's weird because the 16-year-old got bit by the Mangler at the end and then she's infected by the Mangler, I think. Now she's got—
• 46:18
  is that what happened?
• 46:19
  I don't know if some of her is in the machine and some of the machine is in her. That's what the little Booklet says, yeah.
• 46:25
  Because I think she's acting a lot like Robert Englund's character was acting, and I was first I thought, oh, is she possessed by Robert Englund? But then I thought about it. I was like, oh, but the Robert Englund got bit by the Mangler. The Mangler probably possessed him, and now it's possessing her. That was my theory.
• 46:39
  Did the the so was the doctor also possessed by the Mangler?
• 46:45
  Probably, just like the icebox was.
• 46:48
  Oh, the icebox can get the fuck out.
• 46:50
  That made no sense.
• 46:51
  It was so goddamn stupid.
• 46:53
  It's possessed.
• 46:55
  By what?
• 46:56
  The Mangler.
• 46:57
  Because it ran into the Mangler?
• 47:00
  Yeah, it touched it. It touched the safety bar.
• 47:03
  It touched the Mangler. So now the Mangler's in the icebox, and the icebox is the same— it fell on Buffalo Bill and didn't hurt him at all. Luckily for him,
• 47:14
  that would have killed any other person.
• 47:16
  But then tried to kill who apparently was his brother-in-law. Yes, there was, because there are birds inside of it. And then how did they get in there with a hammer on it?
• 47:26
  That was awesome.
• 47:27
  It shot like stuff out of it, and I thought it was gonna implode much like in Poltergeist house.
• 47:33
  I was surprised that he just started hitting that thing with the hammer. Yeah, um, but I was hoping that that's how they're gonna kill the Mangler at the end.
• 47:42
  Oh, with a hammer?
• 47:44
  Yeah, just start smashing it. Why not? That's a little more fun. Did
• 47:49
  the icebox kill that boy?
• 47:51
  Yes.
• 47:52
  How?
• 47:52
  It got stuck. The boy got stuck inside the icebox.
• 47:55
  With the birds?
• 47:57
  Yeah, I think so.
• 47:59
  But the birds were alive. Well, one of them was.
• 48:01
  They held their breath longer, I guess.
• 48:04
  I'll be honest, I'll be honest, I did, I did not know where the kid, that kid storyline came from.
• 48:11
  Maybe he got smushed. I have no idea. But the thing, I think, killed him. I don't know how.
• 48:15
  But well, JJJ Picture Man was there. That's his character's name. Took photos of the boy, and then when Buffalo Bill found the photos later on, they revealed nothing.
• 48:28
  Yes.
• 48:29
  Yeah, there's no point to all these photos. Why is this guy even a main character? Can I— that's—
• 48:34
  By the way, I thought, I thought, uh, Picture Man, I thought maybe he was like the Grim Reaper.
• 48:38
  Yeah, I thought he was the devil or something.
• 48:40
  Because he says like one time, he's like, I'll see you later.
• 48:43
  Because every time you see Picture Man, he says something weird and you're like, okay, he's got weird eyes, he's old, he's got weird eyes. And then I'm starting to put together that's just because he had weird old age makeup on is why he looks so weird. Um, but every time you see him, he gets like progressively creepier and weirder looking, and then that's because he's got like cancer or something.
• 49:03
  Apparently he's getting eaten alive from the inside out.
• 49:06
  And why is there such a heartfelt moment? Like, it's like And it's kind of gross because he just pukes all over the camera at the end of the house.
• 49:14
  That might have been one of my favorite parts of the whole movie.
• 49:16
  But it's such a strange inclusion because this guy does nothing to help the film at all. And he's like, you should go downstairs and get your present. And he goes down there and it's like pictures of like his wife who died. And it's like that news article.
• 49:29
  He says you have to like solve your own— like you have to exercise
• 49:33
  your
• 49:33
  own demons. He doesn't. He Just gets this book that tells him about other people doing stuff.
• 49:38
  Yeah, it's a scrapbook that has clearly been compiled over the years.
• 49:44
  Mm-hmm. That's all I could figure it out.
• 49:48
  Newspaper stories of the 16-year-old daughters of all the high-ranking officials in this town that have gone missing after their 16th birthday, and no one's ever pieced it together until now.
• 49:59
  Yeah, this photographer would have been a better—
• 50:02
  would have been a better thing to like drop some hints on earlier. To like make it seem like there was some storyline going on here.
• 50:09
  The photographer should have been the main character investigating the mystery of these disappearances. But actually, no, I don't like Bill either. Yeah, I don't want him anymore.
• 50:19
  His, his cranky, his cranky police work.
• 50:22
  I hated every character in this.
• 50:25
  Yes.
• 50:26
  All the acting is so bad.
• 50:28
  Like, oh God, it's—
• 50:30
  yeah, even a guy who played Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs, a great film, a great performance. He's his voice is hard to understand sometimes.
• 50:40
  Yes,
• 50:41
  and the way he talks, it sounds like he's got something in his mouth, and I'm not trying to. I mean, maybe that's how he normally talks. I don't know, but it's just like he's not doing a good job. Neither is Robert England. I hated his character.
• 50:52
  Yeah,
• 50:53
  like in the the weird long-haired guy, his brother-in-law, of course. Yeah, yeah, he was weird too. It sounded like he had a British accent, but he was trying to be an American accent. Um, and also I got the weird vibe that at first I thought they were dating. Him and the policeman were dating. I was like, wow, this is odd. Like, what an interesting direction to take this because they had this weird chemistry. I was like, huh, you're not eating, are you? Like, you know what, this is just like careful.
• 51:23
  Don't they hint at that? Don't— doesn't somebody like say something once?
• 51:26
  He's like flicking his hair back while they're talking and stuff. I'm like, wow, they're in love. And then I feel like they— yeah, they kind of like step away from him. I'm like, wait a second, did his wife die? Now he's dating her brother? The fact
• 51:38
  that you chose that opening clip that you did, Terry, and it's got one of the most bizarre visual moments in the entire movie. He sits— he goes to his— what is his brother-in-law who lives like in the woods like Yoda? I don't know what he's doing. And he's got— he's given policeman John This plate that's got this enormous steak on it.
• 52:02
  Uh-huh.
• 52:03
  And he sits down to dinner with his brother-in-law who lives in the woods. Yes, he cuts that steak, he looks at it, he puts it back down, and he does that— oh, you're not— you need to see that steak because it is so— that whole moment is just so weird.
• 52:21
  If you, if you replaced that, the long-haired guy With like a wife character, you would just assume they're dating.
• 52:28
  I thought you'd say Yoda.
• 52:30
  Or Yoda. I would
• 52:31
  assume he doesn't. Doesn't he sit there and play with his hair a little bit too?
• 52:35
  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 52:36
  Yeah, I
• 52:36
  swear
• 52:37
  there's some other time there's— I think there's some other part of the movie where somebody does make a comment that makes you think that the two of them are together.
• 52:45
  Maybe they are. Who knows?
• 52:46
  They might be. The film will never admit it, but I feel like that's the subtext of this film is that he's moved on with— well, he hasn't moved on, but he's like dating his brother-in-law, kind of. Or maybe something happened at some point and they're kind of like in this weird zone now. I don't know.
• 53:01
  The fact that none of us knew that it was the brother until now—
• 53:04
  I knew that. It didn't seem that odd. I guess I just, you know, I, I pay attention to the plot of a film, so it's kind of—
• 53:13
  I paid attention as best I could, Terry. Like, I genuinely worked hard at this movie.
• 53:19
  I don't blame you. It's a hard movie to watch.
• 53:22
  I had to break it down into like bits for a while. Like it— like I said, I was, I was building little Lego sets and then started watching. I watched about 25 minutes of it. I was like, I need to take a break.
• 53:31
  I paused it several times and like audibly said like, there's still an hour left? There's still 30 minutes? Like it just kept going.
• 53:40
  Yeah, I was explaining to my wife what the, the folding thing was and she's like, that's a real thing? I'm like, Yeah, back in the day,
• 53:48
  I guess
• 53:49
  there was some— look, I'll give it some props. Like Stephen King, the visuals are exquisite. Like he said, not— it's not Stephen King's exquisite, but he said he liked the visuals. I think some of the visuals are decent. Like, I like the, the shot of the Manglers. It's overused where like it like goes down the side of it and you see all the machinery. Yeah, the bike
• 54:12
  chain that goes
• 54:14
  Yeah, it's kind of cool looking. They do it like 10 times and it kind of loses its ominous factor.
• 54:19
  Yeah,
• 54:20
  but at first it's cool. And then like the, um, when the old lady does just get sucked into that thing, it is kind of gnarly. And at the end when they're like taking her out in a bucket, you're okay.
• 54:32
  Yeah,
• 54:33
  that was pretty awesome.
• 54:34
  I like— I liked when the older version of the 16-year-old woman got folded up. Right? And you see her at the end, you see the results of the folding. And I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. But like, oh, I wish the Mangler— while it was a cool-looking older machine, I wish they would have just leaned in hard with it being like this demonic entity. Yeah. Like, maybe just because I watched the first 2 Hellraiser movies this last week, but just make it look Like it was designed by Satan, right? Like, just make it as fearsome as you possibly can.
• 55:14
  Make it a little more over the top and like just crazy. Go weird with it. Just get a lot weirder with it.
• 55:19
  Yeah, I think it's like it says it's like number 6 or something like that, so why not make it like number 666? Just lean right into it.
• 55:26
  Yeah, just also like they're—
• 55:28
  so then at the end where they're being chased by the thing They start going down into like, I don't know, some weird—
• 55:36
  where was that?
• 55:37
  Who knows? But that's another thing that I was like, why aren't we learning about more of this earlier on?
• 55:42
  Like, they went into the pits of hell.
• 55:43
  Weird, like, yeah, ancient cult thing going on here. And we're not— we're only going to talk about for like 2 minutes at some point. And then we're going to—
• 55:50
  the Mangler just dies.
• 55:51
  Yeah, but it returns. I don't know. It's so strange.
• 55:55
  Somehow the Mangler returns.
• 55:57
  Okay, now what? And what? Do the weird pills have to do with it? 'Cause I really want to know.
• 56:01
  It has, it has, um, an ingredient that they mentioned when the weird long-haired guy is talking about, like, rituals and stuff. And I guess that pill has the same ingredient that empowers demonic entities or something.
• 56:15
  Along with virgin's blood.
• 56:17
  That also does, yeah, I don't think the pill had vir— it might have had virgin's blood in it.
• 56:22
  So if I take Tums tonight, I gotta make sure I don't have any virgin's blood with it.
• 56:26
  If you're possessed by a demon and you take Tums, you might be in trouble.
• 56:30
  It was, uh, belladonna, also known as deadly nightshade. I don't know why deadly nightshade would be an antacid, but it was.
• 56:37
  Yeah, it seems
• 56:38
  like a bad idea. Yeah, the way that that cop is eating those. Oh,
• 56:44
  I— it made no sense whatsoever. It made less sense than everything else that made no sense.
• 56:50
  I did think it was funny how much of a druggie that cop was, just downing pills at all times.
• 56:57
  The antacids. Yeah,
• 56:58
  not just the antacids. Before that, he's eating something else. I don't know what those were.
• 57:01
  It don't matter. No. So let's talk about the cop again for one more moment. And this is the last thing that really bugged me because it— they— it was mentioned as like this weird throwaway line that should have been the premise of the movie but wasn't. When he goes in to, uh, Ebenezer Scrooge's Meets Scrooge and Tiny Tim. Yeah, uh, merged together into a character played by Robert Englund.
• 57:30
  The ultimate fusion,
• 57:32
  right? He goes—
• 57:33
  the strength of Ebenezer Scrooge, the, the youthfulness of Tiny Tim, they'll make the most unstoppable force. And then they fuse, they're like, oh, this is what we became,
• 57:46
  this is what we get. So he goes in and he calls the cop. He goes— he's like the Sherlock Holmes of the paranormal, like—
• 57:57
  Of the dead?
• 57:58
  Of the dead, yeah. Like, here's a mystery solver who like solves supernatural mysteries.
• 58:07
  Like a sort of Night Stalker.
• 58:09
  Yeah. Why was that not mentioned at all once? Until that point.
• 58:15
  That would be a great, uh, concept.
• 58:17
  Yeah,
• 58:19
  the Night Stalker meets the Mangler.
• 58:22
  Kolchak would have that thing wrapped up in a heartbeat,
• 58:25
  I guess. I don't know anything about Kolchak,
• 58:28
  but
• 58:28
  you know a lot
• 58:29
  about— You guys really, you guys really need to watch that.
• 58:30
  Yeah, I know about Kojak.
• 58:33
  Kojak I'd watch in a heartbeat for sure.
• 58:35
  Kojak meets the Mangler.
• 58:40
  That would be awesome.
• 58:40
  What about Cold— Cold— Kojak meets Kolchak?
• 58:44
  And cold cuts in front of the Mangler.
• 58:47
  Well, yeah, they're— well, yeah, they're at a deli and they're— and they're— and they're just— they're at a deli and they're discussing the Mangler.
• 58:53
  They're having a sandwich within the reach of the Mangler.
• 58:57
  Yeah.
• 58:57
  Oh God, that's the most dangerous game you're playing right there.
• 59:01
  How many people could fall on the Mangler's conveyor belt and not get mangled? And they get pulled off at the last minute. That happened way too much as well.
• 59:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 59:12
  Yeah, the pills fell out. Lily spilled her pills on the Mangler.
• 59:17
  I'm not going for those pills.
• 59:19
  I need to get those 3 pills out.
• 59:22
  Well,
• 59:23
  she's about to have a heart palpitation or something. She had—
• 59:26
  but those are antacids. It literally says— and why would that do anything for her? That's— I don't get any of this movie.
• 59:34
  She needed it.
• 59:35
  The weird— yeah, the weird reveals either come at very late and poor, you know, poor timing, or they come at a point where like you're like, huh, what?
• 59:43
  Yeah, it's paced horribly. They just reveal things out of nowhere. There's no setup to nothing. Besides, they did technically set up the Nightshade thing, technically, but I was zoning out when the long-haired guy's ranting about something or another about possession.
• 59:57
  But if I'm— if— but if I'm being honest You remember, Del Toro wants to remake The Mangler. I'm all—
• 1:00:04
  Oh, Del Toro does it? Oh yeah, yeah, I'm
• 1:00:06
  in.
• 1:00:06
  Now, is he remaking The Mangler based upon the book or based upon this movie,
• 1:00:12
  or based upon Mangler 2, Mangler 2.0?
• 1:00:14
  I'm— he's basing it on his interpretation of the, of the story
• 1:00:19
  of this
• 1:00:19
  movie. You watch that?
• 1:00:21
  Yeah, and the movie, he's combining them together. And
• 1:00:24
  so Cop and his boyfriend are driving to the Mangler to do the exorcism, right?
• 1:00:31
  Yes.
• 1:00:31
  And his boyfriend says, you gotta stop and pull over 'cause I need to rehearse.
• 1:00:36
  Yeah, I don't— why is he rehearsing in the car?
• 1:00:38
  Why?
• 1:00:38
  Why are you
• 1:00:39
  rehearsing? You
• 1:00:40
  gotta hurry up and get there.
• 1:00:41
  Why are you rehearsing?
• 1:00:42
  They get out and he just goes, this is holy water. And they get back in the car and drive.
• 1:00:48
  By the way, he's telling him what to say in English, and then when he gets there, he does the whole thing in Latin anyway. And he's like, repeat after me everything I say. And there's a—
• 1:00:56
  it doesn't matter because they're just— I, I feel like, uh, Toby Keith told him— or no, what's his name? Tobe Hooper. Hooper said
• 1:01:06
  Toby Keith was not on set.
• 1:01:09
  Says, okay, we're doing this exorcism scene, it's not really written out, just say and scream whatever you want.
• 1:01:16
  And they did that.
• 1:01:17
  He just like—
• 1:01:18
  that's horrible.
• 1:01:19
  You and throwing a Bible and holy water at them, like
• 1:01:22
  It was horrible.
• 1:01:23
  God, it was so bad.
• 1:01:24
  Okay, but there is the scene I liked.
• 1:01:26
  Uh-huh.
• 1:01:28
  Um, when the cop goes in there, I think for maybe the first time, and he sneaks in to investigate the Mangler and it starts eating his coat.
• 1:01:37
  Yeah, and he shoots his coat.
• 1:01:39
  Yes, I love that.
• 1:01:40
  Instead of just taking his coat off.
• 1:01:42
  Yes, he could have taken the coat off because he's wearing a long freaking trench coat.
• 1:01:46
  That's
• 1:01:46
  probably not a good idea. It looks like it's hot outside too. I do not think you should be wearing that trench coat. But he gets sucked into Trish's coat and it gets stuck and he has to blast— I thought he was gonna start shooting the Mangler and I was like, this is awesome. This is more like what I want to see. I just want to see him go crazy against the Mangler, tear it apart, shoot it, whatever. But now he just shoots his coat, which is—
• 1:02:06
  I wanted to shoot the Mangler and have the Mangler bleed.
• 1:02:09
  Yes, do something weird. It screams in pain.
• 1:02:14
  Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  Oh, get silver bullets and shoot it with that.
• 1:02:18
  Anything, anything other than what we got would have been good.
• 1:02:22
  Do something crazy.
• 1:02:24
  Yeah, literally do anything
• 1:02:27
  else. Make it a computer virus and upload it to a school system's computer network.
• 1:02:31
  Please.
• 1:02:31
  That sounds so much better, to be quite honest.
• 1:02:34
  Please do that.
• 1:02:34
  Please, God. Or maybe have her be reborn in some sort of strange man's, I don't know, obsession with machines. Why not?
• 1:02:42
  Please. Please do that as well. All right. Did we do it, boys?
• 1:02:49
  Yeah, I hope so.
• 1:02:49
  Did we get through the Mangler from 1994?
• 1:02:52
  In one piece.
• 1:02:53
  Or 5 or whatever we're at.
• 1:02:54
  We came out the other side. It's all nicely folded up.
• 1:02:58
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:02:58
  Perfectly in, in order.
• 1:03:00
  Just like my brain was folded watching this.
• 1:03:03
  Oh boy.
• 1:03:04
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:05
  But I learned a lot.
• 1:03:05
  Well, what'd we, what'd we think of the Mangler from 1995?
• 1:03:09
  I think Terry screwed us. So,
• 1:03:11
  you know, let's— okay, I'm not gonna accept that because, look, sure, I did pick it. I'll accept part blame, but it was literally the last option. We could have watched Texas Chainsaw Massacre, we could have watched The Black Phone, but some people vetoed both of those. So, and I'm not gonna veto my own pick.
• 1:03:29
  No, you can't.
• 1:03:31
  Other people, other people have. It's not—
• 1:03:33
  yeah, I mean, I kind of wanted to watch it.
• 1:03:37
  Well, that's why you put it on the wheel.
• 1:03:39
  Exactly.
• 1:03:39
  I understand. I get it. Okay. Is that what we're thinking about the movie? So are
• 1:03:44
  those, um, it's bad. It is one of the worst films we've watched. I think it's just egregious.
• 1:03:50
  Yeah. And there's this, there's Jujutsu, there's Cat in the Hat.
• 1:03:54
  No,
• 1:03:55
  those are on my—
• 1:03:56
  Cat in the Hat is a thousand times better than the manga.
• 1:03:58
  I would watch Cat in the Hat a trillion times.
• 1:04:00
  Those are the 3 that are on my, uh, Mount Rushmore.
• 1:04:04
  You can't put Cat in the Hat on there.
• 1:04:06
  Maybe Leprechaun: Back to the Hood.
• 1:04:07
  I'll chisel Cat in the Hat's face off of there if I see it up there.
• 1:04:11
  We've, we've watched some trash. Absolute garbage.
• 1:04:16
  I think the only thing worse is Sharktopus.
• 1:04:18
  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:04:20
  I, I think this is— God, it is tough. This is really—
• 1:04:26
  Sharktopus has, it has a concept that's going right now.
• 1:04:29
  Sharktopus is at my bottom of this year's list. It is that bad.
• 1:04:34
  I think Sharktopus is worse.
• 1:04:36
  Sharktopus still has like from— it has a, it has a storyline that's going through the entire time that makes sense.
• 1:04:43
  It has a storyline?
• 1:04:44
  It looks, it just looks stupid.
• 1:04:47
  Yeah, that's all.
• 1:04:47
  It was a sci-fi movie that 5 people gave good reviews to, so I bought into it. This has no like rhyme or reason to it, and there's a whole bunch of stuff that's so— it's poorly done.
• 1:04:59
  Sharkfest is also poorly done though.
• 1:05:01
  And Jiu-Jitsu gets ahead of both of those because Nicolas Cage was awesome in that movie.
• 1:05:05
  Yeah, if—
• 1:05:06
  okay, let's—
• 1:05:07
  let's agree that if Nic Cage was in The Mangler, it would be—
• 1:05:11
  Oh my gosh, yes, it would be so great if he was playing, uh, if he was anyone's character.
• 1:05:17
  Yeah, a long-haired hippie.
• 1:05:18
  Yeah. Oh God, if he plays anybody,
• 1:05:21
  literally any
• 1:05:22
  character. I can agree with that. If Nic Cage was in this movie, it would have been better.
• 1:05:26
  But right now, 16-year-old Virgin who gets eaten by Mangler. Sure, anything.
• 1:05:32
  This movie is just the dregs. It is so bad. And I, I, I gotta figure out where it shakes out, but it's definitely in the bottom 2 from this year. Yeah, bottom 3 of all time.
• 1:05:47
  Yeah, like, Lone Wolf McQuade is better.
• 1:05:50
  Yeah.
• 1:05:51
  Yeah, I think so.
• 1:05:51
  Yes, it is.
• 1:05:52
  No
• 1:05:52
  doubt Lone Wolf McQuade's better than Sharktopus too.
• 1:05:55
  Yeah, 100%.
• 1:05:56
  And Lone Wolf McQuade is better than Jiu-Jitsu, and I hated Lone Wolf McQuade.
• 1:06:00
  Lone Wolf McQuade is better than Cat in the Hat.
• 1:06:02
  No. Okay, let's not get crazy.
• 1:06:06
  Cat in the Hat's really— we've watched some real shit this year. All right, well, we know what we thought. What did the internet have to say on April 15th, Tax Day of 2015?
• 1:06:20
  Happy Tax Day! This is a movie to watch on Tax Day.
• 1:06:23
  Yes, just watch it.
• 1:06:26
  He had this to say. What a ride. This is absolutely great film. Seen 10+ times now and gets better every time.
• 1:06:39
  10+?
• 1:06:39
  There's no way this is, this is true.
• 1:06:42
  Sarcasm, right?
• 1:06:43
  Sometimes.
• 1:06:44
  And that was all in the theaters.
• 1:06:45
  Sometimes if I don't know what to watch, I think, why not watch Mank?
• 1:06:50
  No.
• 1:06:51
  Because it's always better than the last time, so usually I will— oh, sometimes I will flip a coin to see if I watch something else, but even if it lands on the other film, I'll still draw for The Mangler. The characters are great. The guy that takes pictures is my favorite character, but I like the factory owner as well. See that? Yeah, this
• 1:07:11
  guy's awesome.
• 1:07:13
  You have to know his name if you've seen it.
• 1:07:15
  I love this.
• 1:07:16
  You know it's JJJ Picture Man. He is a real great as well. The plot is very complex. At first you think everything is fine, but then all of a sudden it's very strange. But there's never a point where you think it's all fine because somebody gets mangled early on.
• 1:07:34
  I immediately think it's bad. I think I have— going into the film called The Mangler, I'm gonna assume things are not fine.
• 1:07:41
  No, something's getting mangled. Uh, but I don't want to spoil the story, so I'll not tell you anymore. I don't know why it has only got a low rating here. Me and my friends all think it's really good and would give it 10 stars at least.
• 1:07:58
  Okay,
• 1:07:58
  14 found that helpful, 7 not so much. 10 out of 10.
• 1:08:02
  That is crazy to watch it 10+ times and flip coins and go, I don't like the answer, I'd rather watch Mangler. That's crazy.
• 1:08:11
  I mean, if you got a 10 out of 10, does that You just gave 1 star every time to get there?
• 1:08:16
  Well, he said it gets better every time, so maybe it did start at 1, and then next time you watched it was 2, and then 3, and then 4, and then 5. It just got better and better. Maybe if we watched it again, we'd like
• 1:08:26
  it. No, I'm good.
• 1:08:27
  No way. Well, not to be outdone, on June 9th, 1999, Xenarf had this to say. Hail's bells,
• 1:08:42
  Adil!
• 1:08:42
  The only part of the movie worth even thinking about possibly— these are all caps— watching after you've seen every other movie on the planet is the introduction of Robert Englund as a sort of cross between Burgess Meredith's Penguin and Popeye.
• 1:09:04
  That's pretty good.
• 1:09:06
  It's pretty good.
• 1:09:06
  I don't care what kind of a B-movie fan you are, this movie has only that one barely redeeming quality. 2 questions. One, whatever happened to worthwhile Tobe Hooper flicks? And 2, Ted Levine, after Silence of the Lambs, what were you thinking? 1 found that helpful, 15 not so much, 1 out of 10.
• 1:09:35
  Wow. All right, a lot of caps in there, but good.
• 1:09:39
  Why, why do that? Why capitalize like words for emphasis when it's shouting? Just don't do it. Don't do it.
• 1:09:48
  Don't do it. Please don't do it. And please don't watch Mangler more than once. Maybe watch it 0 times. You're better off.
• 1:09:54
  Yeah.
• 1:09:56
  All right, if I could go negative, I would.
• 1:09:58
  Yeah, if I could like suck the memory of the Mangler out of my brain, I would do that right now.
• 1:10:03
  I have a vacuum. I wonder if it would just work.
• 1:10:06
  Try. Let us know how it goes.
• 1:10:09
  You'll never hear from me.
• 1:10:11
  Well, you'll never be like, how'd the vacuum cleaner go? I don't know, fine, I guess. Do you remember the Mangler? What?
• 1:10:19
  What's that?
• 1:10:19
  Okay, man, so I'm gonna do it. Self-lobotomize with the vacuum cleaner.
• 1:10:25
  It might just work.
• 1:10:25
  Take out the Mangler zone of your brain.
• 1:10:28
  Yeah, everybody gets a Mangler zone after you watch it.
• 1:10:31
  Everybody gets a case of the Mangler zone. Okay, well, we did it. We got through M. The M stands for month 11.
• 1:10:42
  M stands for Mangler.
• 1:10:44
  Oh, Mangler month.
• 1:10:46
  It does. So what we got to do is Keith's got to bust out that spreadsheet.
• 1:10:51
  Oh, I totally forget this.
• 1:10:53
  We gotta rank these movies. We gotta rate these sons of bitches.
• 1:10:56
  Goodness, this is gonna be an interesting ranking.
• 1:11:00
  I got my ranking, but I'm not— this is a Keith month, so he should rank first.
• 1:11:04
  All right, well, I think it's pretty straightforward
• 1:11:06
  in my opinion.
• 1:11:08
  Uh, number 1 is The Mangler. No, I'm just kidding. Uh, number 1 is Poltergeist.
• 1:11:14
  Uh-huh.
• 1:11:15
  Uh, number 2 is Arachnophobia. Number 3 is Emily Rose. And Uh, no number at all listing for,
• 1:11:23
  uh, the
• 1:11:23
  main—
• 1:11:24
  Number 0.
• 1:11:25
  Yeah.
• 1:11:26
  My ranking is a little different. Number 1, Exorcism of Emily Rose. Number 2, uh, Poltergeist. Number 3, Arachnophobia. And number 4, Mangler.
• 1:11:39
  Mine goes number 1, Poltergeist. Then quite a ways down the road, we get to Arachnophobia. Then another jaunt down the road, quite a distance, we get to Emily Rose. And then we get on a plane and we fly The Mangler. Like, I have to give it— it's 4th, but if it could be worse, if I could rank it worse, I would.
• 1:12:14
  As you should.
• 1:12:15
  Yeah. Wow, that was bad. Mangler was bad.
• 1:12:19
  But now we know.
• 1:12:21
  And I, I didn't like Emily Rose. You guys, Keith tolerated it and Terry enjoyed it. I, I don't like that. The Mangler was far worse.
• 1:12:31
  Far worse.
• 1:12:32
  Far worse.
• 1:12:33
  Mangler's far worse than anything, yeah, we watched this month and in general. Most of the time.
• 1:12:38
  It's, it's bad. Very bad.
• 1:12:40
  We should have watched it first. Everything else would have been gold.
• 1:12:43
  God, we would have like 5 stars for everything else.
• 1:12:49
  Okay.
• 1:12:50
  Well, we got through, we got her ranked. We ranked M11. That means we're on to M12, which is the last of our natural months before we get
• 1:12:59
  to, uh,
• 1:13:01
  the unnatural M12. Of, of M13. Bringing up the last leg of the race this year is Terry for his last, uh, month, his last M. So Terry, what do you, what are you giving us?
• 1:13:14
  Well, you know,
• 1:13:17
  I
• 1:13:18
  was having— Mangler Month is coming someday, but not this month. I was pondering. I really was having a hard time coming up with anything, but then I was really thinking about the month we just did and that there was kind of a theme going on. Within the month, and I was like, "Well, why not just make it official? Why not? We're gonna do Michael Crichton film adaptations." Uh huh. And but we're gonna watch a film called Westworld.
• 1:13:49
  Oh, okay.
• 1:13:50
  I'm not gonna pick Congo because I know Derek hates that film with passion. But if someone else were to pick it, I would not complain. But I'm not going to do that to myself, so we're going to do with Westworld from 1973.
• 1:14:03
  Okay. All right,
• 1:14:06
  good call.
• 1:14:07
  Interesting, interesting. All right,
• 1:14:10
  all right. So just any of the Michael Crichton
• 1:14:12
  movies based off one of his books.
• 1:14:14
  Oh, we did it! We got through M11 on M12. Michael Crichton. That's
• 1:14:20
  right, that's right.
• 1:14:22
  Nope, I picked out— I have mine picked out though. So hopefully. All right. Derek doesn't— Derek doesn't pick for me.
• 1:14:28
  Yeah. Who knows? Who knows what I'll pick?
• 1:14:30
  I'm fucking crazy over here. If, well, if you take the one that I picked, then I'm gonna be stuck with Congo.
• 1:14:35
  Well, okay, great.
• 1:14:38
  Oh, vengeance.
• 1:14:39
  That's fine.
• 1:14:40
  Be careful with what you pick, Derek.
• 1:14:41
  It'll be the first time that I don't watch the movie.
• 1:14:45
  He just doesn't show up to the recording.
• 1:14:47
  I'll be here.
• 1:14:49
  Oh, good.
• 1:14:50
  I'll give you my two cents from my memories from 1995 or whenever that movie came out. We're here. We're on to Crichton Month. Crichton-tastic.
• 1:15:01
  Crichton-tastic Month. That's right.
• 1:15:03
  Getting right with it. There's nothing left for us to do today except for to end this the way we end everything. Everything.
• 1:15:14
  Everything. By mangling something.
• 1:15:15
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• 1:15:35
  I forgot about this.
• 1:15:36
  Seven up yours. Same to you. Same to me. You see, it's catching on already. Hey, make seven up yours, man. Oh,
• 1:15:44
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