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Musician & Entrepreneur: Do This So You Don't Have to be a Starving Artist [Courageously Speaking] · PHLV Radio

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Speaker 1: Some say time is the great equalizer. Warren Buffett one set,
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It doesn't matter who you are, you all have twenty
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four hours in a date. But the truth is how
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you spend those twenty four hours is what separates those
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who dream from those who do. On this episode of
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Courageously Speaking, the podcast where we hold courageous conversations with
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people who have made bold decisions that change the course
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of their lives, and it doing so challenge the way
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we think about success. Love at the precious time we've
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been given.
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Speaker 2: But you have to have in order to be a
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professional musician versus being a good musician. You have to
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I think, to be honest with you, you're playing is
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maybe only twenty thirty percent of it at the most.
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I think the rest of it is all your business
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acumen and how you present yourself and you know, getting
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yourself out there doing stuff like this.
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Speaker 1: And that's why it's called show business. It didn't just
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say show only. It's show business, not the business. There's
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no show.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The way that we used to say in Nashville
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is that it's the music, which is only like this
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much of it business. You know, the business is much larger.
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Speaker 1: Cos our special guest for Today has spent his hours
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building a career that's as inspiring as it is accomplished.
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Patrick Worley is an award winning multifaceted musician, a performer,
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a composer, a teacher, and a songwriter. He earned a
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music scholarship to study classical guitar with no prior formal
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training on the instrument, and went on to learn from
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world class faculty at the Juilliard School, Peabody Conservatory, and
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Cleveland Institute of Music. Taken him from Nashville music scene,
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where he spent a decade performing and recording alongside some
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of the industry's great artists, to stay just across the
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US and around the world supporting rock, country, and pop acts.
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Speaker 2: Don't really have bands anymore, you know. It's not like
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if you go back to classic rock days and you
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would have maybe led Zeppelin, Yeah, the Beatles. That's an
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actual band that doesn't really happen anymore. Even the bands
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that you've see now. So a band like say One
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Republic or I don't know if they do it this way,
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but like imagine Dragons or in country music maybe like
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the Zach Brown band or anybody like that. It's really
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just the person that writes the songs, that has the contract,
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and everybody else is a hired backing musician.
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Speaker 1: Degrees in music business, guitar performance in a master's in
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Music Education from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, where
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he graduated magnic laude. He's also served as faculty at
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both You and OV at Dixie State University. Today as
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founder of Music Lessons Las Vegas and Lessonslos Vegus dot com.
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If you or someone you know is a professional musician.
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Speaker 2: You'll understand that the time in between jobs can be
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the hardest.
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Speaker 1: But there is a local business that.
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Speaker 2: Has you're back. Created by a fellow industry professional, Music
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Lessons Las Vegas helps musicians build a real business teaching
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on us and the companies founder Patrick Wooley joined us.
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Speaker 1: Patrick Blent is classical training with the energy of popular music,
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inspiring students at guitar, piano, bass, banjo and man's lynn
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and proving that what you do with your minutes matters
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more than how many you have. That's where our story
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begins and we hope that you can learn more about
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your relationship with time with Patrick Burley Today. Welcome to
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Courageously Speaking Patrick, thank you.
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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: Yes, you, we're excited. We've been trying to do this
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for a while.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad we finally made it happen. You know,
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I know you're busy and I got a few things
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going on, so you know, no rush to get it
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in when we can.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Patrick, let's take you back to Nashville. Okay,
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it's a city of opportunities for aspiring and talented musicians alike.
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What was it like being in Nashville and what made
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you come back?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that I'm out of Nashville. The way
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that I pitched it is, I miss Nashville. It's a
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good town. I don't miss being a musician there. To
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be honest with you, I think it's I think it's
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kind of like trying to be an actor in La.
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It's difficult. Everybody there is really great, and it's just
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really hard to get any kind of traction there in
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which you want to do. Even most people don't know this,
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but even Jimmy Hendrick spinnistant there and left because the
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competition was too stiff. And that's that's actually when he
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moved to Seattle after so you know, that's kind of
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the tale of the tape and the way it goes
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in music. So but I'm happy to give you my
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personal you know background, Yes, you know, for you yourself
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and the listeners here. Yes, we'd love to learn more,
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all right, sure, sure, So just a quick introduction then.
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So I I have really always been a classical musician. Basically,
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I got into classical guitar about a year after I
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started playing music, and I really was just completely obsessed
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with it. That was my sophomore year in high school.
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Didn't go out very much in high school. I kind
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of just stayed to stayed to keep working on that
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and put my nose to the grimestone. And what I
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ended up doing was studying that in college. I went
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to Middle Tennessee State University, which is right outside of Nashville, Tennessee,
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and I ended up with two undergraduate degrees there. I
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ended up with a music performance degree, so that's classical
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guitar and a music business degree too. Started. Yeah, I
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started out with music business. My folks were helping me
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out like most people, and as is kind of the
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way that it goes with that, my folks said, if
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you just do music well, this own you. Basically, that's
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a joke. That's a joke Mom and Dad, you know,
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but yeah, I know, yeah, but I think that musicians
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like that's something like that kind of happens with a
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lot of them, you know. So our compromise was, you know,
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I would go study music business, actually, and I started
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my first year in college just doing that. But I
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wasn't as passionate about that as I was with guitar.
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I was still playing all the time and things like that.
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So that's when I auditioned, and that's actually when I
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got a part of my schooling funded through a scholarship
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at So yeah, it worked out that way, you know
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what I mean. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes schools don't have
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it available when you go to audition, but they did,
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and so that helped a lot. So I went through school,
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I got both of those degrees, and during that time,
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the only thing I played was classical music, just classical guitar,
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that's it. But due to the proximity of where I
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was to Nashville, you know, after I finished, and actually
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a little bit before then, I really started working a lot.
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Before I finished my my degrees, maybe a year and
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a half or so, before that, I started supporting rock
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and country artists in Nashville and working in the studios
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and things like that, supporting me, Yeah, as a backing
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music So this is just another thing maybe for your viewers,
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you know. But you don't really have bands anymore, you know.
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It's not like if you go back to classic rock
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days and you would have maybe led Zeppelin, the Beatles.
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That's an actual band that doesn't really happen anymore, even
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the bands that you've see now. So a band like
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say One Republic or I don't know if they do
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it this way, but like imagine Dragons or in country
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music maybe like the Zach Brown Band or anybody like that.
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It's really just the person that writes the songs that
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has the contract, and everybody else is a hired backing
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musician as Yeah, it's just if you don't know the
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creative interest in what you do. I think we'll probably
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talk about that.
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Speaker 1: Why it had to interesting that, yes?
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Speaker 2: Is that?
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Speaker 1: Why that a lot of the artists that actually write
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their own music are the ones who stay longer in
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the industry as opposed to the ones that you can
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be hot right now right there are certain arts are
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hot right now or bands, and then they don't write
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their own music, you don't hear from them after a while.
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Speaker 2: I would say that's a major contributing factor to it.
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And the reason for that, just in a quick nutshell,
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is because if you write your own music, you have
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money coming in from music publishing. Okay, so you have
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another income stream that you don't have if you are
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just an artist that sings other people's songs and other
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things like that. Those people really bleed money. They they're
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paying for their band, they're paying for their agent, they're
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paying for their management, they're paying everybody. And so you know,
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you get a lot of people that wrote songs for
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other people, like Chris Stapleton, for example, in country music.
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Chris Stapleton has maybe twenty or thirty hits that he's
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written for other people, arranging from like Josh Turner to
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all kinds of people, and he was able to reinvest
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that back into his own career.
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Speaker 1: So it makes sense to if you can write, that's
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a good.
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Speaker 2: Way you gotta hang on to your music publishing. Yeah,
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for sure. Now I don't know how it's gonna change
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with like the advent of AI and things like that,
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but yeah, at least when I was active in Nashville,
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which is like a it's like it's only like thirteen
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years ago now, But when I was active in Nashville
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fields like ages ago.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: You know, things move so fast. So so that's what
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I mean by a vacuum musician. Though I don't write
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my own songs or anything like that. It's not my forte.
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I I'm just a player, you know. I like I
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like to play. I like to play a lot of difference.
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But we need you, yeah, well they needed they needed.
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Speaker 1: Me, Like I'm a singer. I could play, but I'm
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not as good as you, so I would need your support.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm an artist. Well, and a lot of the
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people that supported those artists are classically or jazz trained. Really,
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they just they just did country music at the time,
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because that's that's what paid.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: It's just there's just not a lot of money and
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the other stuff you know, there just isn't if you
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just are trying to make it as a performer with it.
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Speaker 1: This is so good to know because a lot of
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our viewers the name of art is courageously speak as
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other courage creatives. A lot of people who are watching
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her show are creatives. A lot of them wanted to
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be artists, like musicians and painters and all that. You know,
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anything in the arts is so refreshing to hear, kind
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of like the business side of it, and it feels
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like it's paying dividends that you took some yeah, some
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of those classes in business. Because we're hearing from you.
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It's not just enough to have the passion and music.
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You gotta be strategic about.
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Speaker 2: It, right, Yeah, you have to. The way that I
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say is like going back to the creative interest thing.
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I'm not saying you have to do it in writing
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or anything like that, but if you if you want
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to be successful, you have to own something in the
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music business. If you don't, you're really just a bit
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player and you can be fired for anything.
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Speaker 1: Oh so it's kind of like you're an employee.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right me. Yeah. And actually, on that
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on that note, a lot of the way that a
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lot of artists do it is they actually salary their
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band too, so they don't pay them for show or anything.
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They might pay them, you know, sixty to eighty thousand
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dollars a year just to go play play music for
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him with it.
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Speaker 1: This is very interesting.
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Speaker 2: So that's what I did anyway for a decade. Back
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back to that, I do, I think we'll be talking
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about that stuff because I think it'll be good for
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the viewership here, you know the things. But just to
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finish up my background with it, that's what I did
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for ten years. After doing that, I started to play
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a bunch of other instruments at that time, got out
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of just playing classical music because I saw that you
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were a lot more valuable the more skills you had
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and the more instruments you could play. So I started
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working a lot. Is what's called the utility man. And
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so if you ever go to a show and you
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see somebody switching off between instruments, that's like, that's what
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I did a lot, you know what I mean. I
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would be like on piano for one song and guitar
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for another, and mandolin for another one and banjo for
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another one.
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Speaker 1: When I was like reading your bio, he plays all
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of these instruments.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's some some you know, there's some
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media out there on my on my socials that you
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know you can see me playing, Like I just recorded
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a banjo track in Texas actually, and I put the
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video up for that one too, so cool. Yeah, So
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after doing that for ten years, it's it's just too difficult,
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and honestly, like again, I'm a classical musician that was
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playing other stuff. So I decided to move on with it.
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And what I ended up doing was I did around
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for a graduate school. That was kind of my way out.
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It was in my late twenties, so it was still
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a good time to do that. I think it was
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twenty nine when I did that, and I auditioned a
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bunch of schools, and when I auditioned at UNLV at
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the time, the way that the guitar program worked there
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is that they didn't have a graduate assistant ship if you.
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They happened to have like an adjunct position there. So
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it was actually at university faculty as correct. Well that's
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the way it usually works, yeah, but this is actually
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like it was actually legitimate adjunct faculty. Like on my
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on my student id actually on my university idea, it
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says students slash faculty instead of because the way that
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it worked at that time was that they didn't have
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a graduate assistant ship, you they just they kind of
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had other people to teach. The overflow for it, and
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so I actually fell into that at my audition at
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UNLV too, and so I taught some people as adjunct
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faculty at UNLV, and that that's really what pumped the
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move out this way. Maybe many other things that fell
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into place, but when I got that, I knew what
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I could do with that title, to build like a
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private studio and to get my name around and things
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like that. And to be honest with you, this is
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the business background. I knew that I could use that
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much more, much more valuably than like getting a graduate
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assistant ship would be. And so that's what really prompted
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the move out this way. And to be honest with you,
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I haven't looked back. You know. Now I have a
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bunch of students, and I play weddings and corporate events
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here in town in Las Vegas, and I have some
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other entrepreneurial endeavors. You know that I do. That we're
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going to be discussing here too.
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Speaker 1: I'm just interested to know how did you not really
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like the passion part of like music, the art that
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you would want to go to entrepreneurship or you are
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more just inclined to be an entrepreneur.
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Speaker 2: I think it's more to be honest with you. For me,
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I think it's more that I was just committed to
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doing music for a job. And actually, the way that
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I've always looked at it is that I've known basically
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since I picked up a guitar as a freshman in
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high school when I was almost fifteen years old, that
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I knew I wanted to do music. I didn't exactly
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know how it was going to work out, but I
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knew I was committed to doing it and to making
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a living doing it. And I think through the years
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and kind of honing it, I found out what I
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was good at and what I wasn't good at. Like
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we talked about songwriting and stuff like that, I'm not
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a writer. It's not my thing. You know. I have
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a very hard time from the inception point with stuff.
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You know, I'm much more of an analytical mind versus
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a creative mind.
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Speaker 1: That is interesting, Yeah, that is very interesting.
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Speaker 2: That's my personal thing. Way that I look at it
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is just I look at it like I was just
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so committed to doing music. I was committed to doing
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whatever to do music for a job.
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Speaker 1: So you just know yourself, so you're very self aware.
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It seems like this you were a child. You were
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self aware that I better have something to compromise to
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just in case my parents won't like that I'm just
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doing well.
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Speaker 2: I think that was more out of necessity than anything.
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We were good, to be honest with you if at
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the time, because I don't know if anybody really think
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about it when they're when they're that young. At the time,
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I really wanted to go to a conservatory to study music,
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and I'm really glad I didn't do that. I know
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a lot of people at my age now that have
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finished a doctorate in the past four or five years
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that are two hundred thousand dollars in debt from it,
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and they're never going to get out of that with
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with you know, with it too. They're just there's another
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skill that you have to have in order to be
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a professional musician versus being a good musician. You have
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to you have to I think, to be honest with you,
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You're playing is maybe only twenty thirty percent of it
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at the most. I think the rest of it is
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all your business acumen and how you present yourself and
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you know, getting yourself out there doing stuff like this, and.
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Speaker 1: That's why it's called show business. It didn't just say
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show only. It's show business, not the business. There's no show. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The way that we used to say in Nashville is
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that it's the music, which is only like this much
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of it business. You know, the business is much larger
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component of it creative.
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Speaker 1: So you got to listen to this. That is a
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lot of business. And that's I think sometimes and creatives
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feel like, I don't want to do this anymore. I
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have this romantic idea of being an artist, and then
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now I have to do business. I don't want this anymore,
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and then they give up on their dream being in music.
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Speaker 2: Well, the best way I'll kind of I'll go back
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to Nashville and use an analogy that I did.
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Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 2: I played with a lot of the songwriters in Nashville.
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I've actually taught several people that have written really big
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hits before, and I believe it was one of them.
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It might have been somebody else that I was playing
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for at the time. I'm not exactly sure who said it,
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but the way that they put it really drove it home.
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He said something to this extent. There's a lot of
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people that say they want to write a hit song,
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when what they mean is they want to have written
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a hit song. In other words, there's a big difference
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in putting in all the work to getting yourself to
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there versus having it done with it. That's the way
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that I interpret it is that they want the end
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result of being like the artist, the romantic idea, without
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seeing all the other stuff that into it. You know,
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and you got to do a lot of stuff that
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you don't want to do if you want to be
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successful with it, you have to make up your mind
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about which one you want.
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Speaker 1: I like that a lot, because a lot of us artists,
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we are so passionate, but when we start doing things,
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maybe repeatedly, I don't want to do that. Why do
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I have to practice every day? And that's a necessary evil?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and again the practicing me being a classical user,
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and I think the practicing is the easy part. I
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think a lot of these people really like to practice too.
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They might not like all the stuff that they have
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to do with the practicing with it, like all the
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studies and stuff like that that they have to do,
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but then again, that's only twenty or thirty percent of it,
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in my opinion. You know. The other stuff is learning, marketing,
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how do you present yourself, you know, learning like numbers
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and being able to think about what gets you an
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instant return versus is it better to wait and to
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do it this way, being able to break even analysis
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and business plans and things like that for it. That's
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that's the stuff that I think it's a lot of
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creative types is they don't want to sit there and
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crunch the number and write a business plan or anything
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to do that for now, and then they run into
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the issue about how do they how do they afford that?
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You know, that's that's because it's expensive. Yeah, it's all
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that stuff is expensive to do. So you and an
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analogy to what I already said with the Chris Stapleton
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thing where he was able to reinvest into himself, I
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think you need to set up your career where you're
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able to reinvest back into that and continue to scale
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yourself and your ideas as if to continue to scale
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yourself as if you're a business, because you are the product.
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If you're if you're in.
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Speaker 1: This is such an interesting conversation. I think a lot
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of people, especially creatives, would benefit from this kind of thinking.
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And there's a mindset shift from just doing the music
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pure art. Yeah, and then the part that they have
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to do business, and that's it takes a lot of time, right,
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it does.
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Speaker 2: It takes a lot of time, and again it's it's
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kind of a grind and I think kind of just
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going going back to that, you know, that's that's I
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think the music part of the fun part out of
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everything with it. You know, the other stuff is the
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hard stuff that you got to do, doing the stuff
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that you don't really want to do. But you have
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to weigh out, you know, do you really want to
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be a professional artist or a professional musician with it,
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because it's going to require you doing a lot of
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things that aren't a lot of fun in order to
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attain that gook is that one?
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Speaker 1: I think it's a hobby. Hobby pays you a little
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if you want to do it as a profession. That's
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the one that has an ROI, a return and investment, right,
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But when you ask for an ROI, you need to
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invest on it your time, money, effort, creativity, everything that
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sometimes people don't want to do. And I think it's
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really time for me, Like I am an artist to you,
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but I do it. On this side, I feel like
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there's not enough hours in a day. Warren Buffett said,
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there's only twenty four hours in a day, and I
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want to know, and I'm sure the viewers would like
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to know what is your relationship with time and what
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can you share with their viewers so that they can
20:02
learn from it because there's a lot of work.
20:03
Speaker 2: Well it is Warren Buffett is correct with that, but
20:06
you can also flip the perspective on that and look
20:08
at yeah, well there's only twenty four hours in a day.
20:10
You've got everything that everybody else has with it to
20:13
everything that everybody else has, except in extremely rare cases,
20:18
you know, where you're born one way, or you get
20:21
into an accident or something like that, you can still
20:24
make it with whatever you've got. Circumstances might dictate that
20:27
it's harder for you, depending on the way that you
20:29
grew up and where you are financially and things like that,
20:32
but you can still do it. And there's been plenty
20:34
of people that have done it regardless of what their
20:36
past is with it. So the way that I look
20:39
at that more is, while there are only twenty four
20:41
hours in a day, you have everything that whoever it
20:44
is that you idolize has, You know, ranging from Warren
20:47
Buffett to you know, George Washington to if you're a
20:50
religious you know, person like Jesus Christ. You know what
20:53
I mean, It depends on what you do with that
20:58
time is really what it is.
21:00
Speaker 1: I think also maybe to put into perspective what is
21:03
important for you, I think for me, some people maybe
21:09
prefer that they do more of the things that they love,
21:12
and some people prefer to do like more work. So
21:15
it's like it's a constant battle between do I rest enough,
21:20
do I do a lot of my hobbies, or do
21:22
I work? How do you like reconcile that, like how
21:26
how do you have a percentage or maybe tools that
21:29
you used to do your time management? Do you like
21:31
eighty percent work, ten percent happiness or like you know
21:35
all that.
21:36
Speaker 2: Well, that's a really individualized question, you know what I mean.
21:39
Like for me, like with some of the other projects
21:43
that I'm trying to do right now, because I have
21:44
another business that I'm trying to launch right now. So
21:46
that's really between teaching a full studio, which for me,
21:50
by the way, guys, a full studio for me is
21:52
one hundred students. That's fifty hours a week.
21:54
Speaker 1: You know, and I have other teachers, who's.
21:56
Speaker 2: Just not that's just me. That's that's me teaching. I
21:58
teach at a full studio. I've about ninety right now,
22:01
but me at capacity is one hundred students. So I
22:04
teach fifty hours a week, and then I do other
22:06
stuff with music and business about ten to twenty hours
22:09
out of the week with it.
22:11
Speaker 1: That's a lot of work.
22:12
Speaker 2: It is, so it is, But I know where it's
22:15
going to pay off once it's Once it's done, you know,
22:18
I know what. I know what's on the other side
22:21
of that. Once you have it all established and once
22:24
you're able to do it, there's all kinds of freedom
22:26
and ability to reinvest into yourself as an artist and
22:29
things like that. And I've already started to do some
22:31
of that. But like again, you're asking a really personalized
22:37
question there. I can just tell you what.
22:38
Speaker 1: Works for me, yes, and I would like to share
22:40
with them because perhaps somebody thinks the same way as Yeah.
22:44
Speaker 2: Sure, So you know I don't I don't take days off, Okay,
22:48
So I work. I work every day, seven days a week.
22:51
I do something seven days a week. On Sundays, it's
22:55
a little bit lighter to kind of keep myself, you know,
22:57
like in check it's only like maybe two hours of
22:59
work or so.
23:00
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming here. Yeah it seems like yeah, no.
23:03
Speaker 2: Actually this happened to work out great. I have, like
23:06
I have like a span of like two and a
23:07
half three hours right now, which is like this is perfect.
23:09
We can come out here and do it, knock it out,
23:11
and I'm happy to do it. Maria. Of course, like
23:13
like I said, we've been trying to do it for
23:14
a while, so so I don't take days off. But
23:19
what I do instead is I recharge about every two
23:22
to four months. I just take a break for one
23:24
or one to two weeks and go somewhere and kind
23:29
of relax with that too. And that actually kind of
23:31
helps me out with another artistic project that I'm doing,
23:33
because I have a travel video project that I'm doing
23:35
right I like, so yeah, I kind of go and
23:37
I you know, shoot some footage and it has to
23:39
do with music and playing music that's related to the location.
23:43
And right now I'm just laying the groundwork for it,
23:45
but it's going to turn into a bunch of like
23:46
full travel videos. So my way of doing it is
23:49
that you know, I think you need to kind of
23:52
weigh out on a personal level where you can still
23:56
be the best and get the most results from your work,
24:00
but not burn out with it.
24:01
Speaker 1: And that just how are you not burning out when
24:04
you're working seven days a week? So you were saying, like,
24:08
you take some time off like two months for example,
24:11
in a year, and is that enough to recharge for you?
24:14
Speaker 2: I find it is. You know, no, I don't know
24:15
if I'll be able to do that forever, but I
24:17
know I'm not going to have to like here in
24:19
a few years once I have these other things established
24:21
with it. I've built a business for myself before I
24:24
know what to do with it. I know it takes time,
24:26
you know. I know it's you just keep taking shots
24:29
and you keep figuring it out until you've got it
24:31
all the way done. And then, to be honest with you,
24:34
once you've built a business like that, it kind of
24:35
starts to run itself, you know. Like me with my
24:38
client tele for my teaching studio. My name is out
24:41
there in a lot of ways, but I also have
24:43
like a bunch of.
24:45
Speaker 1: I have it.
24:46
Speaker 2: I have a bunch of people that you know, refer
24:48
me now because my name is out there in a
24:49
bunch of ways, and I've always tried to do a
24:50
good job with it.
24:52
Speaker 1: So I think that it's all about strategy and knowing yourself.
24:57
This the seven days a week work week right may
25:01
not work for somebody, but because if you know yourself,
25:04
you can tweak it a little bit. Because me, I'm
25:06
more of a Monday to Saturday, but I take CSS,
25:10
so I need like at noon, I better watch my
25:13
drama eating and Stories Maria, you know, I go. So
25:19
I really think that there's no one size fits all
25:23
kind of way to manage your time, but it has
25:27
to be rooted in your own strengths and weaknesses. Like
25:32
for me, for example, if I stop for a whole
25:36
two months, my brain will be a little rusty and
25:39
I might not be as good in what I'm doing,
25:41
so I can't. However, the Monday to Saturday works with me,
25:45
and we're in Saturday is the lighter day where and
25:47
I can do fun things, you know, So it doesn't
25:50
have to look like everyone's to be successful, you got
25:54
to know yourself.
25:55
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you gotta just keep your eyes on
25:57
the prize for lack of a better che term, but
26:01
you need to kind of temper that to your own
26:02
individual I think best way to progress, right.
26:07
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think that it's very interesting when you
26:10
said that it's going to pay off one day. I
26:15
really believe that sometimes we just want to be able
26:19
to relax now and we're borrowing from our future selves, right,
26:24
Because if you think of it, if you're strategic, you're
26:27
more energetic. As a younger person, you have more like
26:31
I remember when I was in my twenties, I don't
26:33
have to sleep as much and I'll be okay in
26:35
the morning. I can't do that anymore, you know, But
26:38
when you are a little older, would be in your
26:40
your fifties and sixties and seventies, you would want to
26:43
relax more. So why don't you help your future self
26:48
prepare for that kind of lifestyle and not like oh,
26:52
because I think people think that work life balance is
26:57
all the variables are the same every stage of your life.
27:01
It's not the same. Your energy will be less when
27:03
you're older, but you're gonna be wiser. So maybe it's
27:07
the time wherein you get to write, you got to talk,
27:10
you know, things like that. So you do more work
27:13
now so that in the future you know your limitations.
27:17
You work on your strengths, which is your wisdom.
27:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is one way to look at it
27:22
too personally. Just on that too. I actually have a
27:26
lot of like big goals that I want to do
27:27
with music, and everything that I'm doing kind of lays
27:29
into a grander plan with music to kind of help
27:32
out musicians. You know, I know how to live well
27:35
as a musician. It's something not many people know how
27:37
to do, so a lot of what I'm doing now
27:40
is kind of geared towards giving musicians the opportunity to
27:44
do that. Another way that I pitch that is it's
27:46
almost like I'm starting to pivot from teaching music so
27:49
much into teaching musicians how to be professional musicians with
27:53
it and coaching.
27:53
Speaker 1: And that's in need. We were just talking about it earlier.
27:56
I wish that more artists know the business site, but
28:00
they had to go they have to go to school
28:02
for it, or maybe they have to read about it.
28:05
And if you're so like you know, I just want
28:08
to play music, you don't have time. It doesn't mean
28:11
I'm making excuses. I'm just saying that they kind of
28:13
know themselves. They just want to play and maybe if
28:16
they have support of some sort that's what most artists need,
28:21
and I wish that more people do that. And we
28:24
can't wait for this business.
28:26
Speaker 2: Yeah and moves fast.
28:27
Speaker 1: Can you share the name if it's already available or yeah.
28:31
Speaker 2: Well so I have two projects that I'm really working
28:32
on right now. I am. I have a lessons website
28:36
that I've been pushing for a long time. So I
28:39
built my own studio two hundred people. Like I've said before,
28:42
the way, the big way that I did that is
28:44
through search engine optimization. So in other words, if you
28:46
pull out your phone SEO, yeah, and you look for
28:49
any kind of combination of music lessons Las Vegas. If
28:51
you do that, it's going to be the very first
28:53
thing that you see. It's going to be tried it
28:55
yelp and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, he's good. And
28:57
see I got the vouch for you.
28:58
Speaker 1: I said, like, let's see if he's the truth. I
29:01
tried it last night this morning. I see you.
29:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's depending on what you put in there, it'll
29:06
be the very first thing you see. But it ranks
29:08
for almost everything with it too. So I really launched
29:11
that right before COVID hit and that kind of put
29:14
a damper on it and then when I went to
29:16
go relaunch it, there were maybe six things that I
29:18
had to go back and redo on it. So I
29:20
fully relaunched it in May of last year, and this
29:23
is middle of August now, so it's been fifteen months
29:26
with that. It's been used about four hundred times by
29:29
the public here, so that's almost one once per day
29:32
that somebody's used it to reach out to like a
29:35
teacher musician for lessons with it. So that's only going
29:38
up with it. So I'm still that being said, even
29:42
with that, you know, I'm still turning that into a
29:43
solvent business right now and just trying a bunch of
29:46
different stuffuntil it does work. So that's laying the groundwork
29:50
also for a bunch of other ideas that I have
29:52
to help musicians with. But priority goes into that right now,
29:57
and then I have an artistic project, like I said,
29:59
with the travel video project that I'm working on.
30:01
Speaker 1: So it seems like what I'm hearing from you is
30:03
you're very getting prioritizing. You're eliminating certain things that don't
30:07
serve your goal or purpose. You prioritize, and then you automate.
30:12
Now you're automate even.
30:14
Speaker 2: M Yeah, and yes, exactly, exactly. Like another, I read
30:19
a lot of business books like Alex Harmazi and you know,
30:22
Jim Rohan and people like that. For your viewers who
30:24
don't know them, I highly recommend all those books. They
30:27
say things like they're always looking to constantly fire themselves
30:31
from the positions that they're doing so that they don't
30:33
have to do it. Because as your business scales, you know, yeah,
30:36
it's it's grossing a certain amount. You're not netting that,
30:39
you know. But the more you gross with it, the
30:42
more you can you know, pay them, like lock yourself
30:45
down legally with your copyright stuff and and you know,
30:48
your terms of service and things like that. The more
30:50
that you can hire people to help you with it,
30:52
the more that you can hire like you know, accounting
30:54
accounting accounting firms, or a marketing team or anything like.
30:59
Speaker 1: That, social media teams.
31:01
Speaker 2: Exactly as your business scales, you know, and what that
31:03
allows you to do is to continue reinvesting into that.
31:07
See eventually down the road, you've got all this stuff
31:09
taken care of like you want to, and it just
31:11
makes profit.
31:12
Speaker 1: And this is interesting because when you automate and prioritize,
31:15
it frees up a little bit of your time, right,
31:18
and then let me ask you how important is that
31:22
extra time to actually connect with people. I think that
31:26
if it's show business, the business part means connection with people.
31:30
Like how important is connection?
31:32
Speaker 2: I think it's very important. And to be honest with you,
31:35
that's something I could probably be a little bit better
31:37
about with how much I'm kind of isolated in what
31:40
I do. When I'm teaching, it's just me and a student,
31:41
and when I'm working on that other stuff, it's you know,
31:44
it's me sitting behind a computer working on code or
31:48
you know, working on marketing campaigns or something like that
31:51
with it. So it's very important, you know, And I
31:54
know that that's something that I need to get better at.
31:57
But it's also something that I haven't really It's hard
32:00
to find the time to do everything, and that's something
32:01
that I haven't exactly found the balance on myself. That
32:03
being said, I'm not negating it or disregarding it. I
32:06
understand that that's a very valuable thing and doing stuff
32:10
like this is not only like good for the business,
32:11
but it's also healthy, you know what I mean. We've
32:13
known each other for a long time, so I mean,
32:15
I'm glad we we got on here finally. But you know,
32:18
like that that's something that just you know, we're social
32:21
people and to be able to get out and just talk,
32:24
you know, and just to kind of connect with it. Yeah,
32:27
it does, it doesn't. It's a I think it's a
32:29
big part of like being healthy too, you know. So
32:33
I do that. I don't do it as much as
32:34
I can. I don't hope, however, Yeah, and I know
32:37
that I know that it's coming down the road though,
32:39
and I'm willing to, you know, put the time in
32:41
now to get myself to that point.
32:42
Speaker 1: I have a strategy. Okay, what's what my strategy is.
32:45
I actually put it in my calendar, not because it's
32:50
a work for me, but I think putting it in
32:52
my calendar means it's sacred time. It's sacred time to
32:56
connect with people. It's sacred time to connect with your family.
32:58
Like I have a husban and who you know? Yes,
33:01
I met you through my mask and Allen and I
33:04
guess he's here in the studio.
33:06
Speaker 2: I don't know if we should acknowledge him.
33:07
Speaker 1: And I don't know this is working, Alan and I
33:12
have to put in there. And he even jokes around
33:14
and says to me, Hey, am I in your calendar?
33:17
Is that in your calendar now? And it's not because
33:20
you're not important. It's just because when you are building something,
33:24
it takes a lot of energy and a lot of
33:27
like you're like almost isolating yourself from the world, and
33:32
it's hard when you're not an entrepreneurs it's not like that.
33:34
Or if you're an academic entrepreneur, you know what I'm
33:36
talking about, you're in the zone. But I believe that
33:40
if you have a sacred time, and I learned this
33:41
from the Netflix ceo. The next Netflix ceo said, every
33:46
I think Tuesday night is sacred time. He eats dinner
33:52
with his wife, And I think if you do that
33:55
for me, it's a Sunday. I will not put anything
34:00
in it unless I kind of like ask for say, hey,
34:02
I have this very important thing, can I trade right? Like,
34:08
because I think, why are we working? Patrick? You know,
34:12
we work not just for a future yourself, but for connection.
34:15
I can't really be somebody who lives in the mountains
34:17
by myself. I know myself and I need somebody like
34:20
I need people, my family and my friends. If I
34:23
put in my calendar, I will make I will not know.
34:28
Maybe I was like, oh, I put a meeting and
34:31
now it's gone, and then I will always do that.
34:35
So what I've done is like put in my calendar
34:37
and perhaps one day I don't need to because like
34:39
let's say, first ample, I have to water the plants
34:41
every day. I put that six am in the morning
34:43
every day. Now I even beat my reminder. I already
34:47
know it becomes a habit. If you create a habit
34:49
of beating with people, and that's sacred time for you,
34:53
and you know how important connection is, you won't even
34:56
need that reminder one day.
34:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like that a lot. Maybe I should have. See,
35:00
I'm learning to write, like I can steal that idea,
35:03
That's what this is about. Yeah, I can put it
35:05
into your calendar and then it becomes a priority like
35:07
something else that you do. And I get what you're
35:09
saying there. If there's certain people where if you see
35:11
it right written down, you're gonna do.
35:13
Speaker 1: It with it, Especially if you're analytical, your brain tells
35:16
you you better. Yeah, you better get to and if
35:18
you don't use it, maybe none of your friends are available,
35:21
no one like invited you. Then that means, hey, why
35:25
don't you call your friend. For me, when I'm driving,
35:28
that's when I call my friends. And I learned that
35:30
from a husband Alan, so he calls people when he's driving.
35:34
So that's a great thing. I am just like doing this,
35:38
so I might as well talk to someone. And we
35:42
have Bluetooth already. You don't have to write, like and
35:45
it's not much of a distraction. I also do it
35:48
like maybe if I can't, like I feel sad and
35:53
I can't do it by myself, I just call a
35:55
friend or text someone. I don't have to tell them
35:57
sometimes my problem, but that that connection just helps me.
36:01
Sure you know. And I think for you or for me,
36:04
for everyone who's a musician, and I think any other jobs.
36:08
You need connections so that you become more successful inside
36:13
and outside. When I say inside, it feels good to
36:16
be connected. You're gonna be happier and healthier. Outside means
36:20
you're not alone. You're a community when you're doing your business.
36:23
I think it's so sad to be in the top alone.
36:27
When you do it with people, it makes it.
36:30
Speaker 2: More meaningful, right, I would completely agree with that.
36:33
Speaker 1: And did you know it's time to really I'm gonna
36:36
go full blown business that means you're foregoing a job
36:41
that's like W two, right, Like, how did you find
36:45
that courage to actually build a business?
36:48
Speaker 2: You mean, just to step out and do it. I
36:49
think it all comes back to just again, different different
36:52
strokes for different folks. Different people are going to find
36:55
a different way to do that. But with me, I
36:57
was just so committed to doing music that I was
36:59
willing to do whatever it. You know, it took if
37:01
you go all the way back to when I first started.
37:03
I don't think I necessarily knew that where I'd find
37:06
my home would be in coaching and teaching with it.
37:09
I think that's kind of just something that I discovered
37:11
that I was I was good at naturally, And it
37:13
doesn't feel to me like I'm really working so long
37:16
as the student's practice, which is another part of it.
37:19
You know, as you're building something, you kind of got
37:20
to take what comes through the door. But I've been
37:22
doing this for so long now that like almost all
37:24
my students practice regularly.
37:26
Speaker 1: Now, how do you make them practice? That's very hard?
37:28
Speaker 2: It just it kind of happens over time. I find.
37:30
I think that it's the same way as if you
37:32
built anything, like if you were a psychiatrist. You would
37:35
have to take what came through the door first of all,
37:37
and you probably give your clients exercises to do, and
37:41
most of them wouldn't do it, you know, most people don't.
37:43
Most people don't write like. It's like whenever you impose
37:46
change upon people, they don't really like it.
37:48
Speaker 1: Necessarily.
37:50
Speaker 2: I just think, I just think it's easy to get comfortable,
37:52
you know, like I'll just with with my business, like
37:58
I'll just give you an example of that. You know.
38:00
One of the issues that I'm still trying to work
38:02
to crack is the way that my lessons website works
38:05
is people pay a low fee upfront versus the way
38:08
that a traditional music academy works, which is that they
38:11
get paid by the academy out of what the student
38:14
gives the academy. Okay, So that's that's something that is
38:19
that I'm still working on to change the way people
38:21
think with that, because I worked out the math on
38:25
if I had one hundred students, and what a place
38:28
that charged say one hundred and thirty bucks a month
38:30
would and kept half of it, which is pretty standard, no, okay,
38:33
so they would a student would pay the place one
38:36
hundred and thirty bucks. They would pay their teacher half
38:38
of that sixty five bucks for the month for the
38:40
student with that okay, for me teaching one hundred students
38:44
over a forty year career, that works out to be
38:46
over three million dollars that I would have lost. Yeah,
38:49
that's that number sounds made up. We actually just put
38:52
a calculator up on the site that shows people this too,
38:54
because we're just trying different ideas. So we put a
38:57
calculator up where they can plug in their own numbers and.
38:59
Speaker 1: See that that you are so analytical, because that's something
39:03
I wouldn't think about.
39:04
Speaker 2: No, people don't even realize that because it doesn't register.
39:06
It's the same thing as getting a tax refund check, right,
39:09
because if you get a tax refund check that registers,
39:11
it feels good, you know, but it's really a bad
39:14
deal because all you've done is give the government an
39:16
interest free loan on your money. It would be much
39:18
better just for you to pay exactly what you had
39:20
and keep your money to be as closed.
39:22
Speaker 1: If you get a refund, it's like five hundred dollars.
39:23
Psychologically cool, Yeah, it loose much.
39:26
Speaker 2: It feels good. It feels good. I get that, you know.
39:29
But like it would literally this be the same thing
39:31
as me just handing you a thousand bucks and then
39:34
six months down the road saying keep this for six
39:36
months and then just pay me back with it. You
39:38
know why. I know we're friends, so it's a little
39:40
bit of a different relationship there. Yeah, so the government
39:43
coming bringing down but you know, like the point is
39:47
that it's a it's a you don't get anything out
39:49
of it, you know, financially with it. So you know,
39:53
my way lets people keep all all their money with it,
39:56
you know. So like I find that that's kind of
39:59
a different cult thing, you know, thing to kind of
40:02
break people's way of thinking around it too. But I
40:06
get a much better way for it. It works for me,
40:08
it'll work for people if they if they use it.
40:10
Speaker 1: I think as an artist, you have to be brave
40:13
to be able to evolve. Yeah, if you stay the
40:16
same way, somebody else will have can play the guitar,
40:20
somebody else can sing. It's what changes and growth in
40:24
you that makes you unique and marketable.
40:27
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you know, so getting back to the question
40:31
at hand there. You know you asked me why when
40:33
I was full throw throttled business with it. I think
40:35
it just kind of evolved out of that. And I
40:38
just have the right personality type with the business background
40:42
and the different way of thinking that most musicians don't think.
40:46
And I've just you know, set up my lessons business
40:48
in a way with the mission to help musicians live
40:51
live well.
40:51
Speaker 1: But how can you get there? Like, how could I
40:54
really think that it's a skill, even if it's not
40:58
your personality to be like, oh, a businessy, I think
41:03
is a necessary skill. How do you get there if
41:06
you're you're more of an artist because you know a
41:08
lot of artists, So how do you help them get
41:11
to that mindset? At least start with the mind My.
41:13
Speaker 2: Way isn't necessarily to change their whole mindset, it's just
41:16
to make it easy for them to do it, Like,
41:18
because ultimately, when you're changing the way people think, you
41:22
kind of have to let them come to it, you know,
41:25
on on their own. You know now that we've alread
41:27
adressed Elan. I know Ellen and I have had some
41:28
experience with that. You just have to There's not a
41:31
lot you can say to people with with that. You
41:34
just kind of have to let them figure it out
41:35
on their own and continue to lead by example and
41:38
show them that there's you know, there's a better way
41:40
to do it with that too, you know, like you
41:43
don't you know, like with me one of the I
41:46
have a lot of things that I say to people.
41:47
It's like, you know, I don't. I don't do it
41:50
for you. I just give you the ways to do it.
41:52
I'm going to give you the lifeline too.
41:54
Speaker 1: Like auDA outline.
41:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, like the big line. Have been going
41:59
with likely again because trying a bunch of stuff. As
42:01
I say, I'll give you the lifeline for this, you
42:03
got to participate in your own rescue for it. And
42:07
you know, I think eventually people you'll have people that
42:12
see that and the start to talk about it amongst
42:14
themselves and amongst the demographic you know, with it and
42:18
the more that people see it, the more that they
42:19
start to question it. But it doesn't just happen overnight.
42:21
Sometimes doing something like that takes years to affect change
42:25
on people.
42:26
Speaker 1: People get disappointed or frustrated when they read a book
42:29
or they watch a podcast and they thought they got
42:33
it and then they forgot it in a day or
42:36
like in the week, and it doesn't work. But it
42:38
has to be constant exposure to these inspirational things and
42:42
also systems and automation and to change your mindset right,
42:47
And what about like a book? Do you have a
42:49
book or philosophy? Yeah, you bide by?
42:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess like they're all kind
42:54
of summed up around the same thing. I mean, like
42:58
my whole philosophy, going back to the Warren Buffett thing.
43:02
You know. The way that the way that I say
43:04
that is you've got the same number of minutes in
43:06
a day as anybody else. It's up to you with
43:07
what you want to do with it. So I think
43:09
probably that can be best summed up with a quote
43:13
from John Steinbeck. When I have time to I actually
43:16
read a lot, which has not been the case for
43:18
a long time now, but I actually read a lot. Bit. Yeah,
43:21
I take I take notes whenever I read things like
43:23
that too. And then The Moon Is Down, which is
43:25
a John Steinbeck novel about Nazi invasion and occupation of
43:30
I Believe, a French town. There's a quote in there
43:35
when they're talking about I Believe rebelling where somebody says
43:38
to rally the troops something like I don't have a
43:41
choice of living or dying. I only have a choice
43:43
of the way that I do it, and it's an
43:44
easy choice for me because the end is the same.
43:46
You know, what do you want to be with it
43:48
when it's all said and done? You know, do you
43:49
want to be you know? I mean, I guess we
43:52
can get frank here. Do you want to be a bum?
43:53
Or do you want to be excellent with it? It's
43:54
up to you with it?
43:56
Speaker 1: Can you say that again?
43:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say it again. Just you have every You
44:01
have the same number of minutes in a day everybody
44:03
else has, you know, and it's all a choice with
44:06
what you do with it, coming down to like what
44:08
you had for breakfast this morning, to what you chose
44:11
to wear today? Did you work out this morning? You
44:13
know what I mean?
44:14
Speaker 1: Did you? All?
44:15
Speaker 2: This stuff comes into play with it, right, You have
44:18
the same number of minutes in a day as anybody else.
44:20
With it, it is up to you how you invest them.
44:23
Speaker 1: So basically, we should not make excuses that I only
44:27
have twenty four hours, I only have one minute to
44:30
do this or ten minutes, because everybody else has. It's
44:33
just a matter of you choosing are you going to
44:35
waste those minutes or are you going to use those
44:39
minutes to grow, to be able to automate and also
44:43
get to your goal. Yeah.
44:44
Speaker 2: I mentioned Jim Ron earlier. If you're not familiar with him,
44:46
I would you know, if you're interested in the stuff,
44:48
I would highly recommend Jim Jim Roan, Jim Rones. I'll
44:51
steal a quote from him, if you if you want
44:53
to do something, you'll find a way, and if you don't,
44:54
you'll find an excuse.
44:56
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, and I like that And a lot of
44:59
times just be because we don't feel like doing those
45:03
things because it takes time. But the time you use
45:06
now is going to help your futureself, So it's an investment.
45:10
It's totally okay.
45:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
45:13
Speaker 1: And then in our show, we're coming to a conclusions
45:16
and I got a challenge. You're ready for to challenge.
45:20
So pretend that you can actually go back in time
45:24
ready for this. What is something and or someone you
45:27
wish you'd made more time for and how would that
45:30
have changed your life?
45:34
Speaker 2: That's a that's a difficult one, Maria, honestly difficult. I know,
45:38
I know.
45:38
Speaker 1: That's the whole time did I asked?
45:41
Speaker 2: I asked for it. I was hoping that we'd run
45:43
out the clock. To be honest, I mean there's a
45:47
lot of there's family members like you know, grandparents and
45:50
things like that that I wish it would have made
45:51
time for, and even coming down to like my first dog.
45:53
To be honest with you, it's weird when my first
45:55
when I had to put my first dog down, I
45:56
found myself apologizing to him for like, you know, leaving
46:00
leaving them like at home as much as I did,
46:01
even though it really wasn't that much.
46:03
Speaker 1: You know.
46:03
Speaker 2: It's just weird how you react in a situation like
46:06
that with it. So there's relationships like that for sure.
46:11
And I think also like with a lot of the
46:14
stuff that I'm doing now, I wish I would have
46:16
gotten started earlier, you know, And I wish I would
46:18
have kind of had the wherewithal with my philosophies to
46:22
get started when I was even younger with it, because
46:25
you know, I mean, it's all going to stop one day.
46:28
We got to we got to try to get it
46:29
done while we're here with it. And the quicker we
46:31
can get it done, the more time we have for
46:32
the relationship.
46:33
Speaker 1: And who are you doing this for? Is it doing fably?
46:36
Like all of these goals? Is it for you, your
46:38
future stuff. Who's this for?
46:40
Speaker 2: Well, it is for me. You know, I think that
46:43
I think that people that don't tell you that you
46:45
got to be kind of skeptical. Why Well, because we
46:48
do what we want, you know what I mean. So ultimately,
46:50
even if like you have ideas and plans to help
46:54
out other people you're you're probably still doing it for
46:56
some kind of self motivation reason because it makes you
46:59
feel good, because makes you money or whatever. You know,
47:01
And I won't lie about that with me. It's both
47:03
of them, you know, with it. But I do have
47:05
a mission in what I do, sises to help musicians
47:08
live well. Really, what I want to end up doing
47:10
is also affecting change in academia too, because I think
47:13
there's massive issues both in the music business and in
47:16
academia with it. And I got some ideas for that,
47:19
but you know, I don't want to. I play my
47:20
cards pretty close to my chest on that right now.
47:22
I just want to get the site and make it
47:23
money on that.
47:24
Speaker 1: But we're super excited for this, and I really think
47:27
that it's time for you to plug some of your
47:31
projects so we can support you and tell us how
47:33
you can support us.
47:35
Speaker 2: Okay, you just want me to give a description of what.
47:39
Speaker 1: My yeah, or like, hey, how do you get to
47:41
your website? Oh?
47:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, so okay, I'll address both projects. So if
47:45
you want to go check out Lessons Las Vegas dot com.
47:47
If you want to take lessons with some musicians here,
47:50
they all teach online because I know that this goes
47:52
internationally too, right, So you can visit Lessons Las Vegas
47:57
dot com. There's about thirty instruments on there. We don't
47:59
have instructors and all of them yet, but we do
48:01
have a lot of them, and they're people that have
48:03
had Grammy nominations that are on there. There's people that
48:06
have worked with, you know, in the shows with like
48:09
Celine Dion that are on there and things like that too.
48:11
So if you want to take lessons from some of
48:13
the best musicians honestly in the nation, a lot of
48:17
them reside here for that bad reason because they play
48:19
in the shows. So you can visit that and check
48:21
out what you what you want to do with it.
48:24
Or you can visit me personally at Patrick Worley Music
48:28
on both Instagram and Facebook, and you can see some
48:31
of the videos from my upcoming travel project. I filmed
48:33
a lot of performance videos so far in places, but
48:36
there's gonna be quite a bit coming with that. I
48:39
would say by the end of by the end of
48:41
next year. It's I'm working on a lot of stuff
48:43
right now, and it's it's a big project. But I
48:44
would say, but the end of next year of the
48:46
full travel videos will start to draw.
48:47
Speaker 1: We're very excited, and you got to give us a
48:50
taste of this.
48:50
Speaker 2: Sure, I need a little bit of help, honestly, because
48:52
like I'm learning this music so fast now that i
48:53
can't quite remember it all the way. So I'm just
48:56
gonna have you page turn for me a little bit. Okay,
48:59
So I'm gonna play a little bit of an excerpt
49:00
actually from and now coming trip to the Philippines.
49:05
Speaker 1: Actually Philippines. I went to the Philippines and I'm going
49:08
back by the way in Philippino.
49:11
Speaker 2: Yah right now, Yeah, okay, cool, cool. I knew, I
49:14
felt knew, I felt at home. So but it requires
49:18
me to go back to places a lot. I've been
49:20
to Japan and France and all over the States, and
49:23
I've opened up the Philippines with it too. So just
49:26
to give people a little bit of a sample, of this, uh,
49:29
some of the Philippine music that I'm going to be
49:31
playing here. This is an arrangement by Jose Valdez who
49:34
teaches at the University of Manila. He's a Filipino guitarist. Uh.
49:37
And I'll be playing this one probably in front of
49:39
the Cathedral of Manila when I go beautiful.
49:42
Speaker 1: Yeah.
49:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is a little bit of an
49:44
arrangement of the prayer, the the Andrea about Shelley and
49:49
something beyond. You keep your eyes on the social media.
51:16
Speaker 1: You can see maybe.
51:19
Speaker 2: At the moment, you can probably see maybe six or
51:21
seven more videos the full performances in front of like
51:25
a bunch of a bunch of places I went to Japan.
51:27
I recorded in Narrow Park with a bowing deer and
51:29
stuff like that. So check it out.
51:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait for the Filipino.
51:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be good. Yeah, that'll launch. I'll upload
51:36
those performance videos. I'm going in January, so they'll be
51:38
uploaded late January, I would say so.
51:41
Speaker 1: For a Filipino American and Filipino viewers check that out.
51:45
So well, I guess that's the end. I really love
51:49
the emotions that came with it and we want to
51:51
thank you for this opportunity to interview you. Thank you
51:54
all for joining us in today's episode of the Courageously
51:57
Speaking podcast, hosted but yours truly Marias. A huge thank
52:01
you to our guest Patrick Worley for sharing his courageous
52:04
journey with us from the vibrant music scene of Nashville
52:08
to building a meaningful business here in Las Vegas. Through
52:11
determination and creativity, Patrick has found a way to bring
52:14
art and business together in a way that's both authentic
52:17
and sustainable. His story reminds us how to be intentional
52:21
with our time and that strong connections are key to
52:24
impactful success. Thank you as well to pH Ilby Radio
52:27
who graciously recorded our podcasts in their studio located here
52:31
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Speaker 2: St.