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DEATH BY MERCEDES: $$$ Socialite Mows Down Brothers, Ordered to Sit for Deposition in Wrongful Death Suit · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, an evil millionaire socialite who
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Speaker 1: slaughters two little boys while racing her Mercedes in a
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Speaker 1: residential area after a boozy lunch, now makes an incredibly
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Speaker 1: entitled demand from behind bars.
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Speaker 2: Good evening.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. The socialite I'll never forget her name,
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman, who is convicted of murdering two little boys
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Speaker 1: two brothers with her Mercedes while racing her Mercedes with
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Speaker 1: her lover after a drunken and booze soaked lunch, demands
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Speaker 1: her civil trial be moved because of quote sensationalized coverage
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Speaker 1: of the crimes. She insists she should not be tried
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Speaker 1: in La County after the parents of Jake of eight
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Speaker 1: and Mark, eleven brothers sued her for damages after the
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Speaker 1: boys were run down in Westlake Village there in La Now,
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Speaker 1: according to court documents we've obtained, she says, Grossman says,
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Speaker 1: this court is requested to issue in order changing the
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Speaker 1: place of trial because an impartial trial cannot be had
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Speaker 1: in La County and nearby vicinities. She's serving fifteen toly
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Speaker 1: for two counts of second degree murder, and she is
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Speaker 1: claiming other people are biased. Okay, what do we know
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Speaker 1: about the case.
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Speaker 2: There's so many questions.
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Speaker 1: Let's start it off.
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Speaker 3: Listen.
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Speaker 4: Just after seven pm on a September evening, Jacob and
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Speaker 4: Mark Iskander, their siblings and parents, go for an evening
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Speaker 4: stroll to a nearby lake. The boys enjoy ruler bleeding
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Speaker 4: and skateboarding. The six member family is heading home, crossing
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Speaker 4: in a crosswalk at a three way intersection when mother
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Speaker 4: Nancy heard a speeding car barreling their way. The mom
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Speaker 4: says her husband and daughter were further away from the street.
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Speaker 4: She tries to signal to the two SUVs heading their
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Speaker 4: way to slow down. She tried to pull the children back,
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Speaker 4: only managing to grab one of them, a five year old,
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Speaker 4: and dive out of the way. Jacob and Mark, who
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Speaker 4: were farther out in the crosswalk, are hit. Mark Iskinder
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Speaker 4: dies at the scene. Jacob dies later at the hospital.
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Speaker 4: According to police, Mark was thrown two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 4: four feet.
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Speaker 1: Two one hundred and fifty four feet. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: that coming up on the scene and seeing a little helmet,
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Speaker 1: a child's scooter and crime same tape with me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again. First of all, founder of Class Kids Foundation,
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Speaker 1: Mark Class. You can find him at class Kids dot org.
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Speaker 1: And that's with a K. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Ncdomestic Law dot com. Renowned
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta, doctor Angela Arnold at
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. Founder director of the Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Former president of Mad Georgia Mothers Against
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Speaker 1: Drunk Driving. Cheryl McCullum, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of
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Speaker 1: a new series on the True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. But first to the lead news anchor,
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Speaker 1: Wdbo Ray Caputo, Ray Caputo. Two brothers dead and one
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Speaker 1: fell swoop, one just nine years old, the other just eleven.
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Speaker 1: What happened?
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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, this was a really hot day that happened
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Speaker 5: at the Westlake Village, California, is one an hour west
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Speaker 5: LA depending on the traffic. And it's so hot day
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Speaker 5: and the family goes out. Jacobs and Mark eight eleven.
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Speaker 5: They're with their mom and their dad, and two other siblings.
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Speaker 5: And they're simply crossing the street there.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, just let me understand something. It's okay.
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Speaker 1: They're with their whole family. It's not like the children
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Speaker 1: we're in the middle of the road riding their scooters.
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Speaker 1: They're in a crosswalk with their family. Correct.
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Speaker 5: Yes, a little marched crosswalk.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna understand Where this is, Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation. Where is Westlake Village? Where
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Speaker 1: is that in California?
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Speaker 6: Well, it's several hundred miles from where I am, but
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Speaker 6: I've been through west Lake and it's a suburb of
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Speaker 6: Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you say a suburb of LA, having
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Speaker 1: lived out in LA during Dancing with the Stars, that
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Speaker 1: could mean anything. I mean, it could be a beach area,
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Speaker 1: it could be a rural area, it could be farming
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Speaker 1: land because California is so diverse. But a good hour
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Speaker 1: outside of LA, in my mind, means suburbs. People that
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Speaker 1: will drive an hour to get to work in LA
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Speaker 1: through that god awful traffic. So we're talking about a
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Speaker 1: suburb of LA which is full of beautiful country called
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Speaker 1: Westlake Village. We're talking about Mark and Jacob and they're
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Speaker 1: nine and eleven years old, and they're with their entire family,
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Speaker 1: including mommy and daddy. So back to UI computer, I
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Speaker 1: think I heard you say they were in a crosswalk.
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Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, it was a crosswalk.
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Speaker 5: Now, this is a suburb, so it wasn't a heavily
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Speaker 5: congested area. And when you think of love downtown Los Angeles,
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Speaker 5: it's a concrete jungle.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't like this.
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Speaker 5: There wasn't a lot of hills though, and it was residential,
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Speaker 5: and they weren't across. What they're doing what a lot
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Speaker 5: of families do on a Tuesday night when it's hot
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Speaker 5: out and you want to get a little.
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Speaker 1: Extra suns, you know, I take Lucy and John David,
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Speaker 1: we get the dog fat Boy, and we walk all
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Speaker 1: the time, practically every day.
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Speaker 2: Shine.
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Speaker 1: And it's usually about that time when they're done with
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Speaker 1: school and I'm through with work and everything is calming
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Speaker 1: down from all the craziness during the day, and I'm
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Speaker 1: just imagining this family. You know, Raycipedo, you said the
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Speaker 1: whole family was there. How many of them were there?
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Speaker 5: Well, there was at least two siblings that I wanted.
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Speaker 5: One of them was in a stroll, so there was
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Speaker 5: the mom and the dad, and you can imagine that
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Speaker 5: that you the child and the streamers getting the most attention.
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Speaker 5: They're getting pushed around. But you know everybody was there.
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Speaker 5: You mom and dad were with the kids in and
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Speaker 5: there was just there. They could get six of them,
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Speaker 5: including the.
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Speaker 1: Boys, the whole family together. You know, when I go
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Speaker 1: with the whole family together somewhere, I feel more safe
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Speaker 1: because we're all there together. I've got the children with me,
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Speaker 1: my husband's there. Were all focused on keeping the twins
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Speaker 1: safe at all times. Take a listen to Chris Holmstrom
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Speaker 1: at Caca L nine. It was just before dark.
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Speaker 7: A family of six was walking across this crosswalk when
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Speaker 7: tragedy struck. Captain Salvador Vissera with the La County Sheriff's
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Speaker 7: Department describes what happened next.
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Speaker 8: The family were in a marked crosswalk, clearly marked. As
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Speaker 8: she realized there were two cars speeding her way, she
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Speaker 8: was able to reach out and grab one of her
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Speaker 8: children off of a razor scooter, pulled the child back
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Speaker 8: with the stroller, with another child a stroller as the
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Speaker 8: car entered the intersection and hit the other two boys.
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Speaker 1: There's six people, including two adults and a stroller. How
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Speaker 1: could you not see that? It wasn't even dark yet?
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Speaker 1: To Ray Capudo, did the two boys nine and eleven
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Speaker 1: die right there on the scene where they raced to
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Speaker 1: the hospital? What happened?
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Speaker 5: Oh, it's just terrible, Nancy. Well, one of the boys
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Speaker 5: died at the scene. He was carried on the hood
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Speaker 5: of the car for one hundred feet and then the
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Speaker 5: car stopped and the little boy flew off and then
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Speaker 5: he was he was ran over the other child. Okay,
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Speaker 5: wait wait wait.
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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait, slow down, what did you
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Speaker 1: just say.
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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, the woman hit the little one little boy and
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Speaker 5: carried him one hundred feet and then she flew off
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Speaker 5: the car and she ran him over.
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Speaker 1: Wait right wait, right there, So it's not dark yet.
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Speaker 1: They're in a crosswalk. There are six people, including two
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Speaker 1: adults and a stroller. That accounts for three people, so
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Speaker 1: there were three others. That is a group. How can
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Speaker 1: you miss a group of people? Just let's just pretend
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Speaker 1: that the driver come over a hill and hit them,
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Speaker 1: which I don't believe is the case because under the
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Speaker 1: rules of the road, just like where you put a
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Speaker 1: double line, you're not supposed to cross on a double line.
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Speaker 1: Or pass anybody. You wouldn't put a crosswalk right there
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Speaker 1: as coming up over hill because it's too dangerous. So
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Speaker 1: as if you couldn't see them a mile away. We
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Speaker 1: learn from witnesses that one of these two little boys
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Speaker 1: was carried on the hood of the car for one
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Speaker 1: hundred feet. Crime stories with Nancy Grace spoiled brat socialite
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman issuing demands from behind bars that her civil
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Speaker 1: trial be moved. In a further attempt at sympathy, her
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Speaker 1: lawyers claim her family got death threats. Okay, the last
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Speaker 1: I looked, they were still alive, and well, she's the problem,
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Speaker 1: not her family. They also shared polling results claiming forty
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Speaker 1: four percent of La County residents recognize her name and
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Speaker 1: seventeen percent pulled in Chulane County next door.
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Speaker 2: Knew who she is.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, you'd have to be living under a rock
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Speaker 1: in a cave on the other side of the world
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Speaker 1: with earmuff song not to know who Rebecca Grossman is.
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Speaker 2: That does not mean they cannot be impartial.
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Speaker 1: I mean, for Pete's saint, look at Shan Combs's trial,
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Speaker 1: who didn't know who did he is? Yet they freed
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Speaker 1: him on three of the five counts. Good luck with that, Grossman.
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Speaker 1: What more do we know about the case? I want
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Speaker 1: to go back to you, Wrekkiputo. This was in a crosswalk,
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Speaker 1: and they have engineers looking at where a crosswalk should be,
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Speaker 1: where there should be a double line, where you should
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Speaker 1: put a red light or a stop sign or a
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Speaker 1: flashing yellow light for reasons. Because at fence with a topography,
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Speaker 1: I just don't believe that a crosswalk was You mentioned hills.
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Speaker 1: That's where I'm getting this from you, Raki Pudo. I
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Speaker 1: just don't believe a crosswalk was right at the top
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Speaker 1: of the hill.
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Speaker 5: Well there was a crosswalks. You go imagine, imagine the
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Speaker 5: team and there's a road that's coming down at hilly,
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Speaker 5: very hilly road coming down and then there's a crosswalk.
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Speaker 5: So my assumption is is that you know that that
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Speaker 5: might have played into it. It says that she was
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Speaker 5: on this road and I believe that she have taken
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Speaker 5: a turn where there was a stop sign and just
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Speaker 5: ripping through it because she was going really fast. And
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Speaker 5: I've seen this on a map and I can't understand
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Speaker 5: how someone who was intoxicated just out of their mind
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Speaker 5: not paying attention to the room.
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Speaker 1: If you're coming down a road, like you're saying, there's
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Speaker 1: a hill coming down, you can see down. It's not
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Speaker 1: as if she was coming up a hill and then
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Speaker 1: suddenly you're in a crosswalk and there are people in
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Speaker 1: the middle of it. Cheryl McCollum, you're the former president
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Speaker 1: of Mothers Against Driving Georgia.
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Speaker 9: Help me out here, Nancy. There were so many things
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Speaker 9: this woman did wrong for that accident.
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Speaker 1: I'm just talking right now about the crosswalk. Crosswalks are
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Speaker 1: there in that spot for a reason, so you can see.
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Speaker 9: It correct, but not somebody that's drunk. It could very
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Speaker 9: well be she was fiddling with the radio. It could
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Speaker 9: be that she was going through her purse.
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Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of that, take a listen to anchor Suzanne
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Speaker 1: Marquez with Tina Pattel CBS LA.
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Speaker 2: We have more breaking news.
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Speaker 7: A driver has been arrested after a crash last night
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Speaker 7: in Westlake Village that killed two children. CBS two is
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Speaker 7: Tina Pattel is live with the latest on this investigation.
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Speaker 7: It's heartbreaking developments this morning, Tina.
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Speaker 10: It really is. One boy died here at the scene.
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Speaker 10: The other one was taken to the hospital. And we
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Speaker 10: just learned that he also passed away. Now the Sheriff's
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Speaker 10: department is not releasing the ages of those boys, are
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Speaker 10: saying whether they are related. But you can see the
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Speaker 10: news of the tragic death has hit this community. Many
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Speaker 10: are coming now.
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Speaker 2: To leave flowers.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they weren't releasing a lot of information, and
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Speaker 1: now we know why. Take a listen to Mary Beth
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Speaker 1: McDade KTLA five Grossman.
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Speaker 11: Who's married to a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman, reportedly
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Speaker 11: hit one boy who rolled up onto her hood. She
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Speaker 11: reportedly slammed on her brigs so he'd roll off, and
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Speaker 11: then she ran him over. Deputies reportedly caught up with
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Speaker 11: Grossman about a quarter mile away in her white Mercedes,
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Speaker 11: which had front end damage, and arrested her.
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Speaker 8: Rebecca Grossman was arrested for vehico. She's being charged two
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Speaker 8: counts of vehicular manslaughter and was arrested for duy.
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Speaker 11: The Scanders are well known in their Westlake village and
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Speaker 11: church communities.
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Speaker 1: So Rebecca Grossman was driving that white Mercedes married to
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Speaker 1: a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman. Now Cheryl McCollum, former
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Speaker 1: director of mad M a d D mothers against driving Georgia.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear that that reportedly hit one boy and
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Speaker 1: he flew up onto her hood. She kept going about
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Speaker 1: one hundred feet and slammed on brakes so the boy
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Speaker 1: would roll off, then ran over him and did not stop.
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Speaker 1: She kept going. Did you get that in the news
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Speaker 1: report from KTLA five.
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Speaker 9: Think about that day the.
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Speaker 1: Cops stit and find her for a quarter of a mile.
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Speaker 9: But Nancy, think about the fact that she's already hurt
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Speaker 9: him severely by running over him and killing his brother.
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Speaker 9: She made the choice of getting that child off the
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Speaker 9: hood of her car and ran over him in order
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Speaker 9: to flee and get away. She made the conscious choice
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Speaker 9: to do more damage to that baby than to stop
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Speaker 9: and render aids.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, I want to go straight out
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Speaker 1: to doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: What in the world would make you keep going after
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Speaker 1: you hit a child? It reminds me of a case
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Speaker 1: I covered on Court TV while back, and the defendant's
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Speaker 1: name was Chante Mallard. She hit a man in a street,
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Speaker 1: then with him on the hood. Stuck on the hood,
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Speaker 1: she drives all the way to her home pulls her
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Speaker 1: car into the garage, closes the garage, and leaves him
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Speaker 1: on the windshield to die. He could have been saved
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Speaker 1: in the time. She sat in there going wow, Am
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Speaker 1: I going to get in trouble for this? She left
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Speaker 1: the guy impaled on the hood while he died. Here
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Speaker 1: you've got this woman, according to eyewitnesses, carried the little
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Speaker 1: boy on the hood of the car one hundred feet,
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Speaker 1: slammed on brakes, the boy fell off, then she ran
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Speaker 1: over him.
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Speaker 12: It's such a horrific act, Nancy, that most of us
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Speaker 12: cannot understand. But to me, it speaks to something deeper
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Speaker 12: that is wrong with this woman. On top of her
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Speaker 12: alcohol addiction.
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Speaker 1: Apparently, Well, let's talk about that for a moment. I
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Speaker 1: want to find out from you, Raycipudowdbo, why alcohol is
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Speaker 1: being thrown around. How come we don't think she was
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Speaker 1: just let's just say, street racing or joy riding or
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Speaker 1: in a hurry. How did alcohol get into the mix?
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Speaker 3: Well, that's what the deputy said.
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Speaker 5: What they found her about a mile down the road. Dancy,
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Speaker 5: this is a scary car. We see this a lot
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Speaker 5: with people who have money. They know what happens when
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Speaker 5: things go sideways is if you hit somebody and you're drinking,
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Speaker 5: the best thing to do is get the heck away
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Speaker 5: from the scene, apparently and not be seen until you're
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Speaker 5: sober up. This woman's car breaks down a mile away,
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Speaker 5: and that's when she's busted. If she would have got
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Speaker 5: a way, I would almost guarantee that they remounting a
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Speaker 5: defense of I wasn't drinking now. Also, you mentioned street racing.
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Speaker 5: She was apparently street racing too. She was traveling at
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Speaker 5: a high rate of speed, and she was drinking. I mean,
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Speaker 5: what a host of factors. And you wonder why something
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Speaker 5: went wrong.
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Speaker 1: Here we'll tell you how I learned that dui. Driving
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Speaker 1: under the influence of alcohol or drugs was part of this.
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Speaker 1: Because she is renowned, prominent member of the community, husband
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Speaker 1: is a high profile plastic surgeon. She was arrested on
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Speaker 1: suspicion of manslaughter and dui after smashing her speaking Mercedes
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Speaker 1: into brothers Mark and Jacob eleven and nine Westlake Village.
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Speaker 1: She only stopped a mile and a half away when
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Speaker 1: her engine cut out. Cheryl McCollum, former director of Mad
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Speaker 1: Mother's Against Junk Driving Georgia, she didn't pull over and
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Speaker 1: call police. She was only stop because of car trouble.
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Speaker 9: She did nothing to help this family. She did nothing
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Speaker 9: to help the two little boys. She did nothing to
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Speaker 9: render aid help it anyway. She didn't even go to
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Speaker 9: a pay phone and call NOW one one anonymously to
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Speaker 9: get help. There.
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Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl, suffering the sudden and criminal death of
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Speaker 1: somebody you love sticks with you forever, as you all know,
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Speaker 1: having dealt with so many crime victims. But this mother
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Speaker 1: and father were right there. One son died on the scene.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl and the car kept going.
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Speaker 9: What that must be like to them? I mean the
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Speaker 9: Huggies to race BMX and I can play right now
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Speaker 9: in my head the worst rent he ever had. And
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Speaker 9: he was fine. But as a mother, you just, you know,
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Speaker 9: play it over and over and over what they must
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Speaker 9: be living with watching their two children moved down, one
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Speaker 9: killed at the scene, one you have hoped for for
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Speaker 9: a moment, and then that snatched from you too, because
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Speaker 9: this woman decides she wants to drink in street race.
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Speaker 9: You're not from a seventeen year old kid that makes
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Speaker 9: a stupid decision.
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Speaker 2: Believe it or not.
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Speaker 1: Wealthy socialite Rebecca Grossman accused suspect number one in mowing
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Speaker 1: down two little boys out walking with their family gets
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Speaker 1: the courtroom victory. But what happened when the boys lost
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Speaker 1: their lives? According to police, this woman, Rebecca Grossman, prominent
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Speaker 1: in her community and wealthy, not only mowed the two
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Speaker 1: little boys down in front of mom and dad, but
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Speaker 1: kept going. She was charged with suspicion of voluntary manslaughter
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Speaker 1: and d ui. I want you to take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut number twelve. Now you may recognize some
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Speaker 1: of these voices. This is a montage of all the
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Speaker 1: coverage about how fantastic this woman and her husband were.
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Speaker 13: So many of us at ABC News know about the
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Speaker 13: work that the Grossman burn Foundation has done to provide
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Speaker 13: so much care, new life for women, children, people around
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Speaker 13: the United States and the world in need of that
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Speaker 13: urgent medical care.
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Speaker 3: I just wanted to take a moment of your time
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Speaker 3: this evening to say a few words about the Grossman
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Speaker 3: burn Foundation. This extraordinary organization is making a huge difference
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Speaker 3: around the world.
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Speaker 13: Another miracle at the Grossman Burn Center here at Southern Calumnia, That'stia.
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Speaker 6: The Grossman Burne Foundation has launched a campaign to stop
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Speaker 6: the violence carried out against women around the world.
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Speaker 7: A local Oscar winning special effects artist has become a
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Speaker 7: hero to a woman on the other side of the globe,
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Speaker 7: a woman whose face was destroyed by her own husband.
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Speaker 14: Rebecca Grossman of the Grossman Burne Foundation, found out about
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Speaker 14: Eustonce Rebecca takes the prosthetics, travels to Indonesia and delivers
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Speaker 14: them to Houstons in person. It's a day eustonce never
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Speaker 14: thought would come. Finally she gets the first sign of
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Speaker 14: hope that she'll feel complete again.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing so much about the Burne Foundation. Remember, this
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Speaker 1: woman's husband is a prominent plastic surgeon, so they're well
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Speaker 1: known and.
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Speaker 2: Wealthy in that community.
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Speaker 1: I know that the husband, who is, as I said,
21:35
Speaker 1: a wealthy and prominent plastic surgeon, had been working with
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Speaker 1: the burn Foundation. But what about the wife, Rebecca Grossman,
21:48
Speaker 1: and what about that particular day that these two little
21:53
Speaker 1: boys were mowed down? Take a listen to Tina Patel's
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Speaker 1: CBS LA.
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Speaker 10: Investigators arrested a fifty seven year old driver and charged
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Speaker 10: her with vehicular manslaughter. Or white Mercedes with front end
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Speaker 10: damage was towed away about a half mile from the
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Speaker 10: crash scene, but investigators would not confirm whether the drivers
22:11
Speaker 10: stop voluntarily or whether this was a hidden run people
22:14
Speaker 10: who live nearby. I hope this crash will be a
22:16
Speaker 10: wake up call for drivers to slow down and for
22:18
Speaker 10: the city to do more to protect pedestrians.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go to you, Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation to protect children. Have you
22:27
Speaker 1: ever seen cases where the public doesn't get all the
22:30
Speaker 1: details for a lot of the facts surrounding the case
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Speaker 1: are kept under the rug. For instance, what is this
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Speaker 1: woman's blood alcohol? They're not even saying that. They'll confirm
22:44
Speaker 1: it was a hit and run. She was arrested about
22:48
Speaker 1: a mile away. Yes, it was a hit and run.
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Speaker 1: I don't need a crime scene reconstruction is to tell
22:54
Speaker 1: me that Mark Class nw.
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Speaker 6: She the nonprofit world is full of hip hops. It's
23:01
Speaker 6: full of wealthy people who sit on boards of nonprofit
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Speaker 6: organizations for no other reason than they can talk about
23:08
Speaker 6: themselves at cocktail parties and give each other awards for
23:13
Speaker 6: the great work that they do. And I think Cheryl
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Speaker 6: can attest to that she knows the nonprofit world as well.
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Speaker 6: And I think that's exactly what we have here.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 6: They can talk about how wonderful missus Grossman is and
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Speaker 6: all of the great things she's done. But she's also
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Speaker 6: the woman who plowed down two little boys, bumped one
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Speaker 6: of them off of the hood of her car, and
23:35
Speaker 6: then ran over him again so that she could escape responsibility.
23:40
Speaker 6: This is a woman with no conscience. This is a
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Speaker 6: woman with no morals. This is a woman who most
23:45
Speaker 6: certainly does not belong behind the driver's seat of a car.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I know that she's charged with suspicion dui.
23:55
Speaker 1: Now you know the case will be ruined if they
23:58
Speaker 1: did not do an appropriate blood alcohol content test on her,
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Speaker 1: a blow test, and that is the end of a
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Speaker 1: dui case. If you let her off the hook from
24:10
Speaker 1: that blow test at the scene, you can't prove a
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Speaker 1: trial she was dui. So they have her charge with
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Speaker 1: suspicion dui. Why would they have charged her with that, Cheryl, There.
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Speaker 9: Must be some evidence either they could smell alcohol in
24:26
Speaker 9: her breath, there was evidence in the car of a
24:28
Speaker 9: bottle or something like that. But Nancy, the other thing
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Speaker 9: they're missing. They don't have the traditional things you would
24:35
Speaker 9: have with an accident like this. They're not going to
24:37
Speaker 9: have kid mark. She didn't stop.
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Speaker 1: Good point.
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Speaker 2: Good point.
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Speaker 9: So there's so many things. They can't get her accurate speed.
24:46
Speaker 9: They may not have an accurate beapie, they may not
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Speaker 9: have it.
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Speaker 1: We do know this though, Cheryl. Now, this is good
24:53
Speaker 1: news for the prosecution if they take the case all
24:56
Speaker 1: the way, if they don't get over and pressed with
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Speaker 1: money and prominence. Joe Scott Morgan, the professor forensics Jacks
25:04
Speaker 1: Will State University and death investigator. The cops have broken
25:09
Speaker 1: down and told us that this socialite, Rebecca Grossman, did
25:14
Speaker 1: test over the legal limit.
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Speaker 3: Explain, Yeah, the legal limit, dependent upon where you are,
25:21
Speaker 3: is generally going to be in a range of about
25:27
Speaker 3: point zero one point five that region right there, and
25:31
Speaker 3: it's going to go to significant impairment and that is
25:35
Speaker 3: your motor function. How can you make judgments? But this
25:39
Speaker 3: is one of the problems going back to what Max
25:42
Speaker 3: said just a second ago with her. You know, this
25:45
Speaker 3: woman has a history of driving while intoxicated. This is
25:51
Speaker 3: my question. If she is addicted to alcohol, her tolerance
25:57
Speaker 3: level is going to be much higher. So there are
26:00
Speaker 3: people that have a dependency upon alcohol that can still
26:04
Speaker 3: function be up, you know, whereas you or I might
26:07
Speaker 3: have a drink couple of glasses of wine or something,
26:09
Speaker 3: and we're out like a baby. This woman might could
26:12
Speaker 3: go through two or three bottles of wine, so be
26:14
Speaker 3: upright and functioning. Uh So, it's it's kind of a
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Speaker 3: hit or miss. They need to have done this early on.
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Speaker 1: And look at the front end of her Mercedes. You
26:27
Speaker 1: can see it at climeonline dot com.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, if I could address another car, Yeah, if
26:33
Speaker 3: I could address that, this is a full size Mercedes sedan, Nancy,
26:38
Speaker 3: And you know Mercedes, one thing they're known for. It's
26:40
Speaker 3: not just a luxury car. They're known as being a
26:42
Speaker 3: safe car, well built. And Nancy, it looks like she
26:45
Speaker 3: ran into a damn telephone pole. It's a center mass strike.
26:49
Speaker 3: And just so people at home will understand, if you
26:52
Speaker 3: imagine that great big Mercedes symbol that sits right in
26:55
Speaker 3: the center of the grill, that's gone, and not only that,
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Speaker 3: the hood itself is crushed in. This gives us an
27:02
Speaker 3: indication that when she struck these two little boys, as
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Speaker 3: you mentioned, just a second ago, in front of their parents.
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Speaker 3: Mind you, she was traveling at such a high rate that,
27:14
Speaker 3: at least because I don't have all the data from
27:16
Speaker 3: the scene, it gives the appearance that she hit a
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Speaker 3: fixed object. Nancy, not some non anchored person like these
27:26
Speaker 3: two children. She hit something at such a high rate
27:29
Speaker 3: of speed it literally collapsed the front of that car.
27:33
Speaker 3: I don't see how the airbags kept from deploying. And
27:36
Speaker 3: if you look at that image real quick, she did
27:38
Speaker 3: try to flee. The only reason she didn't get away.
27:41
Speaker 3: If you take a real close look at that image
27:43
Speaker 3: on crime A Line, you'll see that there are fluids
27:46
Speaker 3: that have poured out of the bottom of this thing,
27:49
Speaker 3: so it disabled the vehicle. My guess is, as Ray
27:53
Speaker 3: had alluded to earlier, is that if she could have
27:57
Speaker 3: put as much distance between her and that event, that homicide,
28:04
Speaker 3: then you would have had time for the blood alcohol
28:07
Speaker 3: to metabolize in her system. She would have gone. And
28:10
Speaker 3: this has happened numbers of times with high profile people
28:14
Speaker 3: over the years. If you don't have that science to
28:17
Speaker 3: back it up, if you don't know what the BA
28:19
Speaker 3: is at that moment in time, you've lost it.
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Speaker 1: Foreverything crime stories with Nancy Grace in the last days,
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Speaker 1: millionaire social like Rebecca Grossman making demands from behind bars.
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Speaker 2: Does it never end with this woman? What happened that day.
28:43
Speaker 1: When two little brothers were run down dead by her,
28:47
Speaker 1: and then she lied about it. Six family members were
28:50
Speaker 1: crossing the three way intersection in a marked cross.
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Speaker 2: Walk on the road. The parents.
29:01
Speaker 1: Heard the speeding Mercedes. They could hear it speeding and
29:06
Speaker 1: hearing the car, they reached out to grab their children.
29:12
Speaker 1: They grabbed Zachary and Violet, Mark and Jacob.
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Speaker 2: Were too far away.
29:19
Speaker 1: They heard the speeding car. Cheryl, now you understand the
29:23
Speaker 1: legal implications of this. They could hear it at a
29:26
Speaker 1: distance speeding. There were no skid marks. The parents grabbed
29:31
Speaker 1: the children they can reach. The ones they couldn't reach
29:34
Speaker 1: were mowed down. Analyze it, Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 9: Nancy, what you're going to have is you're going to
29:42
Speaker 9: have the police go. They've got to go back. They've
29:44
Speaker 9: got to get video from every ring camera. If they
29:48
Speaker 9: have the flock system, they've got to get that video.
29:51
Speaker 9: They've got to trace her action backwards. Where did she drink,
29:57
Speaker 9: how much did she drink? Where did she get it
29:59
Speaker 9: from that she paid for it? Was it already at home?
30:02
Speaker 9: Was she had a bar when?
30:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to retrace all of their her steps,
30:07
Speaker 1: at least I hope they are.
30:09
Speaker 9: That they've got to an eighty because they don't have
30:11
Speaker 9: anything else because again they know the blood alcohol is
30:14
Speaker 9: going to be contested. They know that they're going to
30:17
Speaker 9: have a fight on their hands. So they've got to
30:19
Speaker 9: go back and show, just like you used to do that,
30:22
Speaker 9: this crime didn't occur at nine forty seven PM or
30:27
Speaker 9: six forty five. This crime occurred at two o'clock when
30:30
Speaker 9: she took her first drink. It occurred at three fifteen
30:34
Speaker 9: when she took the next one, It occurred at five
30:36
Speaker 9: sixty when she had her third one, and then she
30:40
Speaker 9: chose to get in the car after five or six
30:43
Speaker 9: or a bottle. And that's what they've got to show
30:46
Speaker 9: the importance of that. They've got to go back and
30:49
Speaker 9: show every speeding ticket. They've got to show every failure
30:52
Speaker 9: to maintain lane. They've got to show every DUI she's
30:55
Speaker 9: ever had, even if they reduced it to you know whatever,
31:00
Speaker 9: they might have reduced it to reckless driving or such.
31:03
Speaker 9: You know, we all know reckless driving. Usually the DUI.
31:06
Speaker 5: That's been reduced.
31:08
Speaker 9: They got to look at every single one, every single
31:10
Speaker 9: time her prominent husband has saved her. They've got to
31:13
Speaker 9: go talk to friends and said, hey, how many contail parties.
31:17
Speaker 9: Does she throw how often do y'all know her to
31:19
Speaker 9: You know.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be critical that they trace her steps
31:24
Speaker 1: that day. Amen, Because Mark Class, I mean, have you
31:28
Speaker 1: ever heard accident used in DUIs? It's no accident, Mark Class, Because,
31:35
Speaker 1: as Cheryl McCollum was saying, you start in the day drinking,
31:39
Speaker 1: you decide to get your car keys, You decide to
31:42
Speaker 1: walk out to your car after you've been drinking. You
31:45
Speaker 1: decide to insert the key in the ignition and start
31:47
Speaker 1: the car, put it reverse and then drive there you go.
31:51
Speaker 1: All those were conscious decisions, Mark Class.
31:56
Speaker 6: There were conscious decisions. Why a woman who's probably done
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Speaker 6: that hundreds of times and doesn't really seem to care
32:02
Speaker 6: about the safety of anybody else, feels that she's privileged
32:06
Speaker 6: enough that she can do what she wants when she
32:09
Speaker 6: wants and have some kind of a sterling reputation and
32:11
Speaker 6: a lot of money to fall back on.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina, try a lawyer
32:17
Speaker 1: at the scene. We've seen so many celebrity walk a
32:21
Speaker 1: straight line tests, touch your nose tests or the ABC's test.
32:25
Speaker 1: What other tests are performed at the state are supposed
32:29
Speaker 1: to be performed when cops suspect do UI.
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Speaker 15: Well, obviously the markers are a breathalyzer. She could refuse
32:37
Speaker 15: the breathalyzer. She refuses the breathalyzers.
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Speaker 12: They'll take blood work at the hospital or wherever she
32:43
Speaker 12: can car sorts.
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Speaker 15: I would suppose they can do the field sobriety tests
32:46
Speaker 15: such as heel toe. They also can take other steps
32:53
Speaker 15: to determine whether or not they're drinking, such's alcohol bottles
32:56
Speaker 15: in the car, the smell of alcohol on that lady's bread.
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Speaker 1: We do know that this prominent socialite, Rebecca Grossman, was
33:05
Speaker 1: involved in an accident twenty twelve where the other driver
33:09
Speaker 1: claims she ran a red light driving over sixty five
33:13
Speaker 1: in a forty mph zone and plowed into the back
33:16
Speaker 1: of his car. The driver passed away later from ill health,
33:22
Speaker 1: but the insurance report includes his detailed description of the crash. Now,
33:29
Speaker 1: in that case, we know that insurance paid out one
33:33
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in a settlement with Grossman. She was
33:39
Speaker 1: injured in that too, So what if anything, do we
33:42
Speaker 1: know about her history, Raykipudo.
33:44
Speaker 6: Well, Dancy, she's not a good driver, that's for sure.
33:46
Speaker 5: I mean, you can only speculate that that's connected to this.
33:51
Speaker 5: I don't know for sure, but it seems to be
33:53
Speaker 5: that the writing was on the wall for miss Grossman,
33:55
Speaker 5: and she had plenty of opportunity to fix some of
33:59
Speaker 5: the issues that she had in her life, but you know,
34:01
Speaker 5: she didn't.
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Speaker 6: And here we are.
34:03
Speaker 5: This tragedy was avoidable. There was something that shouldn't have happened,
34:07
Speaker 5: and now this family is going to be living with
34:09
Speaker 5: us for the rest of their lison. This Glos's life
34:12
Speaker 5: is done too. Pretty much, her reputation is gone.
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Speaker 1: I'm really more worried about the two dead boys than
34:19
Speaker 1: anybody's reputation, Doctor Angel Arnold. What about the people surrounding her?
34:24
Speaker 1: I mean, according to a Daily Mail report quote, she's
34:27
Speaker 1: a reckless driver. The socialite charge with killing two young
34:31
Speaker 1: boys in Dui hit and run previously totaled another driver's
34:35
Speaker 1: car after quote speeding through a red light, and then
34:38
Speaker 1: she sued him even though she ran into the back
34:43
Speaker 1: of his car.
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Speaker 12: You know, Nancy, I don't believe that they should be
34:46
Speaker 12: calling her a socialite. I think that they should be
34:49
Speaker 12: calling her a sociopath. That is what this woman is
34:54
Speaker 12: at the core of who she is. She is a sociopath.
34:59
Speaker 12: Why we have to be describing this woman who has
35:02
Speaker 12: hit and killed two children and has absolutely no remorse.
35:08
Speaker 12: Instead of a socialite socialite, we should be calling her
35:11
Speaker 12: a sociopath today, because that is just wondering.
35:14
Speaker 1: I mean, Cheryl McCollum, director of Mad Georgia, Mother's against
35:18
Speaker 1: junk driving. Everybody around her, I mean, are they enabling
35:25
Speaker 1: her drinking and driving way in Naty?
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Speaker 9: I think the most important thing is forget everybody around her.
35:32
Speaker 9: This is solely on her. She did this. This is
35:36
Speaker 9: nothing new behavior. She chose to drink, she chose to drive,
35:41
Speaker 9: She chose to try to cover it up, she chose
35:44
Speaker 9: to try to hide her face. Now she had chosen
35:47
Speaker 9: not to reach out to the family and apologize. She
35:50
Speaker 9: has chosen to do all of these things that show
35:55
Speaker 9: exactly who she is. And I think that last statement
35:58
Speaker 9: was pin on accurate.
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Speaker 12: She is a social.
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Speaker 1: Path demands from behind bars, A wealthy socialite who runs
36:08
Speaker 1: down two little brothers, embracing her Mercedes after a boozy lunch,
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Speaker 1: makes new demands from behind bars.
36:14
Speaker 2: What's next?
36:16
Speaker 1: A special pillow, a down duvet, a vegan dinner, special
36:22
Speaker 1: yoga classes for you?
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Speaker 2: What do you want? Woman?
36:26
Speaker 1: Two boys?
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Speaker 2: Are dead and you're whining as always.
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Speaker 1: Our prayers with the victim's family at this hour, and
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Speaker 1: we wait as justice and false.
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Speaker 2: Goodbye, friend,