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Episode 53: Our Thoughts on Star Wars: Obi-Wan Kenobi Parts 1 & 2 (*SPOILER ALERT*) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello. Then it's time for most things
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Kenobi. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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episode of most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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in all things Star Wars. I'm your host Leanne and I'm
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your host Lauren and oh my God, it's finally happening.
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We have made it, we're here. It's time.
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Kenobi is here. I'm already too loud for this
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podcast. Sorry, rest in peace.
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Everyone with earphones in earbuds.
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Yeah. Prepare to have your ear ear
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drums, blown out because we Going to, I reek the fuck out.
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It's time. It's time.
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I can't help it at. This is the place.
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This is the time we've made it. We're here.
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Kenobi is here. And I, I for one am blown away
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just by the first two episodes alone.
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Yes, oh my god. Well, first, let me say I am
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sick. It's a party.
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Yes. Pardon my terrible sounding
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voice. I'm pretty sick.
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Got sick at Celebration. Totally worth it.
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Yes, that's the souvenir. You didn't ask for, but here It
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is when I expected, but didn't want.
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But yeah, yeah. So also in a hotel room.
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So there are noises in here. I can't control.
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So please, excuse any strange sounds.
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I'm quarantining, well, we have a lot to talk about but first,
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happy anniversary to us. Yes, happy one-year anniversary
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to most things Kenobi, which this is our 53rd episode.
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We released our first episode. Last year in June the first week
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of June and how fitting that our anniversary episode.
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Is our reaction to the first two episodes of the Kenobi TV
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series. It's awesome.
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It's so appropriate and you just came back from celebration.
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I mean, it's like Star Wars. It's just a cornucopia of Star
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Wars. It is.
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And we were super lucky because we got into the very first
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panel, which is like the big intro to Star Wars and of
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course, Ewan, McGregor was there and all the Kenobi people were
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there and they invited everyone to come back that night.
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To watch the show as a group before it premiered on Disney
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plus. So we got to see it before
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anyone else, and to see it in an audience was really special.
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It was really a special experience.
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I feel very grateful to have gotten to do that, and when you
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texted me, I was hurting. I was the jealousy was real.
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I know I it's why I didn't text you too much because I didn't
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want to just hurt your feelings on.
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Oh no, it's fine. You were there.
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I got to see everybody that you've met a lot of listeners.
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A lot of fans. A lot of friends that we've made
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through the show and I think that's amazing.
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So I was I was just I was sad because I wasn't there and to be
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a part of it but like it was amazing to live it through you
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and the fact that you got to see the first two episodes in a
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group like a I guess I'm like a theater mode basically.
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Yeah yeah and it was all throughout it was like all the
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main stages. So the whole building was full
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of people watching the first couple episodes.
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So cool. It was really fun.
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It was special and Like the cast and crew were there to is their
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first viewing. So yeah.
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It was very special and I'll never forget that honestly.
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It was um, I'm grateful. I'm sick as hell, but I'm
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grateful. Well, we've got two episodes to
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cover. Let's do it.
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Let's jump in. Where do we start?
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Geez II. Don't know, I'm overwhelmed.
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I'm overwhelmed. There's a lot to cover but
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goddamn Was it good? Well I have three I have three
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like General notes about everything that don't apply to
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like chronological order. Just one ewan's performance is
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amazing. Fantastic cannot I cannot agree
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more strongly. He's perfect.
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He hasn't skipped a beat in the X amount of years since he was
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in this role before, and he's even better because he's, yes,
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prequels were all overacted. Added and not even necessarily
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the characters fault. That was their direction from
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George, Lucas. You know, it was over performed.
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It was melodramatic, which is part of its, you know, appeal to
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some people. This was very understated.
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It was like, very crafted. It was still ob1, like, he had
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the voice and the humor, and all of that, but it was the humor
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humor was great, but then I loved it.
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It was just like he hit those beats.
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Wow, like giving. So much more with just.
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His eyes are, like the way his mouth would turn down.
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It was like, it was so good. It's exactly what we were hoping
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for. Yeah.
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And it delivered and I was so pleased because I forgot it was.
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You and McGregor and I only focused on the fact that it was
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Obi-Wan and not only that but like I got a little bit of Alec
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Guinness in it. Yeah like his voice is softer,
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it's more it's more towards like older Obi-Wan than it is Young
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brash. Shhhh, not so sure of himself.
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I mean, the pain in his eyes and his face and his voice, and a
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lot of this, the struggle that we were hoping for was already
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shining through in the fact that he's holding back, right?
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And the fact that you wouldn't already like basically conveys
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this. So subtly it's un's acting.
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Honestly it is, but also the writing, the writing is really
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good. Yes, it's not overdone there's
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not too many jokes. There's not too many, it's
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tasteful. It is.
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And it Getting the story across the way it needs to.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That was one of my other notes was that the writing is
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excellent, like, so much, so much better than the prequels.
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Oh, and so much better than I'll go ahead and say it so much
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better than some of the other Disney plus Star Wars shows.
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Yes, hmm, at times a times. They're excellent at times.
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They're not so far two episodes in.
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Excellent. Yeah.
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And like cinematic, this was move.
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I said to you on text message. This was Of equality shit.
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They went ahead and took the budget and did it, right?
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Yeah. That's what it felt like.
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It makes some of like Mandalorian and book of Boba
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Fett look like trash by comparison.
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Some of the book A Boba Fett looks terrible compared to to
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the show. Yeah.
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And that those shows look bad, but when you compare it to, you
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could tell this show had a bigger budget for special
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effects and fertile like set decorating and costume design
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and study coordination. Even though there were big
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stunts, the other one you could tell this Add more of a budget.
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And it shows that it really does show, especially if you have
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like, a trained eye for it, it shows not shit-talking.
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Those shows that all those. No, no, no.
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It's just a narrating. But, yeah, in comparison, you
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could tell this is where they wanted to put their money.
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Yeah, and I appreciate it. We are thankful for it.
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We were hoping. I mean the trailer is all we got
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up until this point, the two trailers I guess and we kind of
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had a feeling and are feeling wasn't wrong.
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Yeah, at least from what we've seen so far.
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We're talking episodes. Wanted to hear, right?
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Right. We'll have to see what happens,
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but I have good feeling about, yes.
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Oh, I have great feelings. The end of that second episode.
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I fucking I screamed. It was the perfect way to
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introduce Vader. It was perfect and it was
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perfect. The beats the timing.
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It was like the editing of Obi-Wan saying, Anakin then they
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cut. Yes, really hard to Vader.
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Oh, it's so good. Yeah, to him floating in that
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fucking tank in his eyes. It was the emphasis on his eyes,
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right? It just oh my God, is there it
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is, there they are. There it is.
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The Goosebumps on my arm, never arrived.
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Yes, the hairs are standing up but we can get to that.
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I was going to say, we should have like started off with
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spoiler alert. We're definitely going to talk
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about. Well, if people, if people have
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it, okay, we will put it in the text but yes, spoiler alert,
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anyway, I would just give it away.
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You shouldn't be listening to this if you don't want to hear
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what happened. Absolutely.
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Okay. So Leanne, yes, ma'am.
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What was your reaction to the beginning with Order 66?
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It was, Oh, I thought. Okay, good.
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Good way to start, but the fighting the actual lightsaber
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fighting was amazing. Hmm, it was amazing.
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It was overwhelming to see clones.
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It was overwhelming to see, frightened children.
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But the fuck. Lightsaber just it was so good.
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It was like perfect, you know? Yeah and heartbreaking.
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It was like the lights able fighting.
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We've been wanting to see, you know, it's like yes.
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I know who was the Jedi? I don't know.
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Actually I'm curious. She did a phenomenal job.
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Yeah. It was so good.
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It was so good. The audience right away.
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When you see the kids doing the practicing the audience.
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Yes. And me included went, oh no.
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Yeah, exactly. Like exactly knew what was
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coming. Yeah, chills Goose Bumps.
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Again, anytime we see any inkling of Order 66, it's like,
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yeah, traumatizing in a good and bad way because we know what's
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coming. We know how awful it is.
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And at the same time, it's always so great to see ya
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because we only see certain parts of it in Revenge of the
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Sith, and it's interesting to get other people's perspective
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on it. Yes.
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And that moment where the Kids start running across the bridge
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and the kind of zoom out and you see, yes, and they zoom out.
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I got so emotional right away because it's like yes after
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watching Clone Wars, like the prequels are great, but Clone
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Wars, really pulls you into that life that everyone was living
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there. And it's really, and like also
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makes you very attached to the clones.
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So to be W. I know watching them turn on
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Jedi but also they're watching. Jedi kill them.
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It's really hard to watch now. Yeah.
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When you You know, that they fought side by side for so many
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years and became friends. Yeah.
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And sacrifice for each other and then it's flipped on its head
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and now they're fighting. It's really anytime we get to
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see it. It's it really drives it home.
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Yeah. And it was a good place to start
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because that's literally we're all this began and ended.
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Yeah. And then we go ten years later
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and I kind of thought from the trailer and then the pictures of
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Obi-Wan in the blue that he was, he was doing like a menial
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pedestrian type of job. Like I just it looked like in
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uniform or it looked like, you know, he was in an assembly line
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of some sort. I just it's so it brought home
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kind of the, The kadavo Arc where he's witnessed this
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before, he's been here before. Where's the space twins?
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I wrote really wrote that dog, that the way he did, you say
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silent because if you said anything, it would cause more
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damage. Yes.
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And he was been there before and I kind of believe.
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During ones acting because it kind of looked like he'd seen it
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before even though it's animation version of and we know
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that they watch the Clone Wars prior to this show him and
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Hayden, man. It was just good.
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It was like, oh you've anyone who's watched the Clone Wars and
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has seen this before? Hopefully was thinking of that
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in that moment because you know, Obi Wan wanted to say something,
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he wanted to step in, he wanted to defend the innocent and he
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couldn't, he has to lay low and I think that's the toughest
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thing for Obama and it has been tough for him until you know.
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Our girl Leia steps in but spoiler alert.
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Holy shit boiler alert. Well, something also that struck
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me like a little before. That is the scene with the
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inquisitors. Landing an anchor head, right?
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That's the town. They're in.
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And the music of them getting off the ship at, like, walking
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doubt. Caught me right away.
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The music in the show is so good.
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Yeah, John Williams, nailed it. Oh, he didn't do that.
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He just wrote the theme. Oh, I know.
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No, but I mean, I just just John Williams in general.
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Oh yelled like I mean, setting the stage I should have.
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Said, I'll say John Williams, nailed setting the stage, and
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then all of the music after did not disappoint.
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Like, when you set a bar that high with someone that good,
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don't let the rest of it fall, it was they played the theme.
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John Williams was there and they played the theme.
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It celebration. It is so beautiful and sound so
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much, like, Obi-Wan and it takes like the Jedi theme and kind of
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Yes. Inverts it.
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To make it a little. Yes in it.
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And it's like the way Obi-Wan has had to go against what it is
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to be a Jedi in order to protect the people that he loves doubt
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you. Like it's so interesting and I
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just caught my attention right away.
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Well, the you're right, though. The music with the inquisitors,
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literally, the music throughout all of it.
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Hmm. Did you like the inquisitors?
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Yes. Like mostly.
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Yes. I think that Rupert Friend
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actually just really interesting job.
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I like the way he uses his Voice.
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It's similar to the way, Jason Isaacs uses his voice.
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He's one of those actors who is not afraid to like, go up and
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down in his range and kind of like play with the words.
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I thought that was really good and I love Reba.
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I think she's my God. Moses Ingram is fucking amazing.
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She is Queen. Let me tell you something.
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Someone who comes out and unknown character, that makes
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you care about them and hate them.
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At the same time is doing it right?
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Yeah. I actually care about her story.
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I care. Out learning about her more.
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Yeah, she did it. Well I don't I just first of
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all, if you're giving a good script, it's not hard.
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Yeah. If they have a clear vision and
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a clear story line, which I'm positive, they do, then it's not
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hard for the actor or actress to then perform at a level where
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they can guarantee the outcome, is the good one, right?
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So I'm here to say that this is lining up to be very, very
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excellent. Like she is fucking bad-ass, her
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lightsaber skills already like just the handling of it.
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The confidence the Swagger. She's got an Envy in the
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impulsivity which I expect from someone coming up in the ranks.
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Who's just trying to impress. You know, the higher-ups in the
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in the Empire. I totally get it.
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I totally get it. Yeah, it's great.
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So I mentioned to you before we started recording that I have
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just been informed of a new Theory and it.
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I love, let's hear it. You want to hear it now?
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Okay. So Jedi Master Adam, we had so
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much fun together. It celebrates?
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Yes, I'm jealous. You got to meet him.
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Yeah, he's amazing. He just texted.
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It was about to get on a plane and he's like, I'm having
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feelings at each other. Like, I need to talk to
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somebody. I'd like I'm here.
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Tell me. He's like, have you opted?
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The posters of all the individual phases and I was
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like, no. So I went and looked at them
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really quick and I arrived to the same conclusion, he did
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before he even told me his theory.
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Everyone is looking at 0, b 1 in these.
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There's like an eye, you know, they show their face and then
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what we rise has Like a circle in it, and you see who they're
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looking at. Everyone's looking at 0, b, 1,
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except Reva, and Kumail, nanjiani, they're looking.
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Okay, at Vader. Oh, so it's like, they're on Obi
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one side, his perspective looking at Vader, and I don't
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think real. Oh, I don't think Rivas on
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Obi-Wan's side. Adams theory is this and I
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completely agree with it. Reva was probably one of the
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Younglings and the very beginning of the episode.
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We talked about this and I do agree.
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So she do agree. Oh, Anakin Skywalker.
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Come in and kill everybody, which is how she knew Vader.
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And Anakin were the same person. So she's going to use.
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Obi-Wan to draw out Vader. So she can kill Vader.
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And I was like, that makes sense.
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I'm I'm into this that makes. Okay.
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First of all Adam we love our listeners but goddamn okay.
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Awesome. Awesome Theory and it works.
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Sitting over here like thinking about it's doing about it and
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that would add her, add a whole different layer because she has
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no regard at all for the rules. So she doesn't she know.
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She's like so single track minded.
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My thought was like, why she's so focused on ob1 and people
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keep accusing her of wanting favor, like having Vader to
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favor her. What if in that she's trying to
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draw him out because he has, you know, it's not like he's hanging
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out with the inquisitors all day long.
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That's true. She Would have a motive if she
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saw him killing her whole. Yeah childhood yeah, like holy
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shit to like live your whole life here, kind of kind of
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dumbfounded. I mean, I guess we'll see.
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But that is a damp. That's a logical.
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Clear and interesting twist. If they were to put one in, I'm
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into it. She's clearly obsessed with
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Obi-Wan. So why is it she looking at all?
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We want in the poster, her sights are set on Vader in the
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Sure. Yeah exactly.
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I mean maybe it'll turn out just because she wants to be his his
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head Inquisitor or whatever. But don't you think she would
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have said something. I was waiting for her to say it
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that she wants to impress Vader. Well they keep like implying
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that and she never agrees to it but she hasn't said it.
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Yeah. No she's not.
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It's very interesting. I will be very excited to see
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how her story unfolds because there seems to be a lot more to
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her than what we're just seeing on the surface.
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Yes. And and that's why I'm saying
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somebody thought about this and it's already showing because we
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give a shit. Yes, we care.
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Yeah, they're not flying by the seat of their pants.
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They definitely have a story here and they're telling it
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deliberately and I love this. You can see I love that.
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Yes, you can talking to some people earlier already.
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These are better made than the sequels there.
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They are a tighter story already than the seek they are.
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Yeah, they are now some people have said that the storyline is
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too simple for them. I That's the case.
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They don't have to make it any more than what it is currently.
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Yeah, I mean, I totally agree that they're not there, like,
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the plotline is simple, but it's that stupid.
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I realized this too because like he finds Leia really quick, and
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it's because the story's not about him finding Leia, it it's
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like misleading. It's not like a rescue story.
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It's about how doing this now, exposes him to the Empire and to
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Anakin in particular because Right at the end, when he he
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says, Anakin's name and Vader's eyes open.
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I think it's because Vader feels Obi-Wan in the absolutely for
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the first absolutely years. We're barely scraping the
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surface of this story in the first two episodes.
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I think, isn't it perfect that the minute Obi-Wan finally uses
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the force after how long, right? It's to save us Skywalker.
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I mean it's poetic I mean and not only that but I think it's
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the use of Leia is Because Leo names, our son, Ben Leia has a
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rapport with Obi-Wan. She obviously the first time we
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ever see Leia in the original trilogy is, she's leaning on
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Obi-Wan for help. She, she got this trust from
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somewhere other than bail. Yes.
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And I think it left a mark on her.
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I completely agree with that. You see it in the way that they
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very deliberately. Mirrored stuff that happens in a
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New Hope. Like the way Luke Skywalker, I'm
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here to rescue. You, it's like Obi-Wan comes
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into the cell and has a similar exchange.
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I thought I was also so moving that he realizes and like
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reconnects with Anakin while he's standing next to a
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etiquettes daughter, like Leia is right there next to Obi-Wan
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while he is having this connection with adequate evader
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and that to me was just a really beautiful Symmetry.
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And it was very moving, very beautiful and his remark to
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Leia, about you remind me of someone obviously speaking about
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pad. Which is very it's it's it's
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everything I want when we deal with the Skywalker twins.
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Okay, first of all, what's her name?
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Who plays Leia? The girl I can't think of her I
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can't think of her name off the top.
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My head that was a casting nail on the head.
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Yeah. That girl delivered, everything
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Carrie Fisher would be proud to this day.
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Yes, if she was alive to see it to say that girl can play me as
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a young at my character, as a young girl like the SAS.
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Is the wit the strong-willed as a child still in child?
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Form the way she handled her cousin.
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Oh my God, I love that. Get it, Leia.
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This is, this is why this is why she is Queen.
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This is the future of the fucking Galaxy in this tiny
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little girl. And she did it perfectly.
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Yeah, she was so and like even physically like watching her run
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like through the forest, that everything really reminded me.
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A lot of Carrie Fisher's Calla t as well and like they her
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costumes were beautiful like mirrors to later.
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I outfits that Leia wears like the Poncho in Empires or Return
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of the Jedi and yes, in the hair, the hair just constant
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hair nods. I mean, it's so easy to do right
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with hair because you just tie a bunch of braids and buns, deer
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head but like and her friendship to and her care about droids, I
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think, is great. Yeah, you know it's just like,
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it's such a Skywalker thing to care about a Droid, you know
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what I mean? Well, they care about just being
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respectful and like nice to everybody.
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It's, yeah. And let's, let's talk about one
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thing that we got in these episodes that we wanted when we
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sat here and said five things we want in the Kenobi series, we
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got some in these episodes, number one, Obi-Wan, and his
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dream sequence nightmares. We got one tear from this man in
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these episodes. We got alderon in these
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episodes. Alderaan is the fucking bad-ass
22:16
Planet. I always wanted to be Beautiful,
22:18
gorgeous, the fucking architecture, bria's fucking
22:23
gowns, the handmaidens, the people that were helping, it's
22:27
just, it is the opulence. And yet the natural setting that
22:33
the mixture of the two that I wanted in alderon.
22:35
We got it. We got it.
22:36
Yes. It's so excited to see it.
22:39
I was freaking out. I was like, oh my God, we're
22:41
actually were like actually gonna get alderon and I loved.
22:47
Jimmy Smits. It's in this.
22:48
I loved Bria and bail to get a like I just together Jimmy,
22:54
okay. Goosebumps are back.
22:56
His his discussion, his interaction with little laying
23:01
out on the balcony. Yes.
23:03
Hurt. My heart gave me.
23:05
Tears made me smile. It's so beautiful.
23:09
Yeah, it's so indicative of the, he's a Statesman, you know, he's
23:13
very diplomatic. But he has a deep loving heart.
23:17
And Loves the that Leia is spunky and is like Padme.
23:23
Yes. And he had a relationship with
23:24
pad made. They were very close friends,
23:26
very close. Advisers to one another.
23:28
They leaned on each other and I think he knows he sees it and he
23:31
respects it. Yeah, he will not.
23:33
He won't forget it. He loves that little girl.
23:35
Yeah, and when he tells her remember what she says, I'm not
23:38
even a real Organa and he's like, don't ever say that he
23:42
doesn't even ask like who told you that he just says, never say
23:45
that because inside is what makes you In Organa on my God.
23:49
And like the way he was talking about it, like I had dreams, I
23:51
had it all planned out. Just his performance was so
23:56
layered and Charming like he was really endearing.
24:01
And then when when he shows up later at OB once cave, that
24:06
scene is so good and his performance where he says there
24:09
wasn't anything. You could do, Anakin's God move
24:13
on, you need to move on, it was just like the slap ob1 needed.
24:18
And when he says old friend, I just, I literally just gave
24:22
myself Goosebumps. It was just like, oh my God, I'm
24:25
fucking dead, right? He needs old friends, like, he
24:30
needs. You have to remember.
24:32
And, and like, so Kemal tells him you're not alone.
24:35
Obi-Wan, I agree that when Camille's character who they
24:39
won't list the character's name. Oh yeah.
24:42
So we has no name because I couldn't remember what his name
24:44
was. What he says it.
24:45
He's is Pasha or haja. I can't.
24:47
Really, that's right. He does say because Obi-Wan says
24:51
his name back to him and he said, yeah, member do you do?
24:54
He's remembered my name? Yeah.
24:55
And that moment to me. It was just so telling of
24:58
Obi-Wan as a human, you know, it's like right.
25:01
That's the kind of goodness. He can't hide like the note that
25:05
in immediate respect that he has not because he respects the
25:09
person. But because he starts by giving
25:11
you the benefit of the doubt, you know, and when you're right,
25:15
when he says 20 be one like you're not alone, We won and
25:18
Leia, says later to him. Is it really so hard for you to
25:21
believe you have friend, right? Right, like these constant that
25:24
killed me. Yes, it's like he needs to be
25:27
reminded like it because Owen is pushing him away.
25:31
It's easy to feel like that's how the whole world sees him or
25:35
Galaxy sees him, and it's like he has friends still, and he's
25:38
forgotten what that means, because he's so isolated.
25:41
But yeah, I just, I loved that moment.
25:43
I loved all of loved all the moments.
25:46
I loved how Obi-Wan On is literally, first of all, being
25:50
sassy as fuck to a Jawa. The jaw was also sassy back
25:56
saying he smelled which personally I would put aside
26:00
just to be in that cave with him.
26:01
But same, he was doing it to get the make the toy that we see.
26:06
Luke have that he has in A New Hope.
26:10
Oh God. Like no skyhopper toy.
26:14
Like and clearly heat. Like, I know Omen gives it back
26:17
to him. It at some that way, Luke ends
26:20
up with it. So Joey ends up with it.
26:22
I think I'll be One's Gonna Take that shit from Owen, get out of
26:24
here. No Owen might be a pain in the
26:28
ass. Tough guy but Obi Wan survived a
26:31
lot. I think he's not so easily
26:32
deterred. Yeah, everyone's very afraid
26:35
right now. It's a it's a tense time
26:37
understandably. So they're all being threatened
26:39
all the time. I mean they hung that Jedi.
26:41
So let's talk about that. The other Jedi that shows up on
26:44
Tatooine. I felt that was actually pretty
26:46
weak. How did You feel about it.
26:48
What do you mean by week? Like he kind of like I get that,
26:51
he shows up there like that's that week.
26:54
But like how he just shows up in the middle of the night at
26:57
fides, Obi-Wan in the middle of the dark desert?
26:59
Well, he may have been able to tap in or something.
27:02
Maybe I don't know. We would get using the four City
27:05
boys like close. That's true.
27:06
Yeah, you know, you're right. I would have listened.
27:09
I, I saw it coming, obviously, sure, but like, I don't know,
27:14
because it in one way. The Jedi are So confused, scared
27:20
scattered. Looking for like-minded people
27:24
relying on an old code that doesn't work anymore.
27:27
Never did. Let's put it that way and are
27:30
failing, hmm. And I think that the use of this
27:34
character was fine, the principle of it fine, but you're
27:38
right. The way that I mean no one's
27:40
supposed to know where Obi-Wan is and he just knew.
27:43
So I think that part was kind of meant but he gets hanged anyway.
27:47
So He's not a problem that's terrible but I'm sure it'll just
27:51
sit like he's so they could show an example of the Empire's
27:55
brutality I guess. But also he says 20, be one.
27:58
What happened to you used to be a great Jedi?
28:01
It was just like, bitch you all lived through Order 66.
28:05
Yeah, exactly. You all used to be great, Jedi
28:08
until the fáák like okay, yes, Obi-Wan and Anakin were in the
28:12
Halo, the Halo news, a lot more frequently than, you know, Joe
28:15
Schmo. But, like, at the same, Bro can
28:18
you keep your voice down? Like he was a great Jedi, can
28:22
you not come find him in the middle of the night?
28:24
Like don't lead people to him bitch.
28:26
Yeah, it's like if he was a great Jedi, why do you think he
28:30
would be isolated out here in the middle of fucking nowhere?
28:33
Also like he's like you have no idea what I suffered like, you
28:37
have no idea what he suffered that's what I wanted to say back
28:41
I want to be like oh you think you have it tough?
28:43
Yeah this bitch cut off his best friend's legs arm watch.
28:47
His wife died has to raise this kid, that isn't his from a
28:51
distance. Like you think you have it bad?
28:53
Listen, they all have it. Bad exact Kanan jarrus is
28:56
somewhere out there as a child running around.
28:58
Has it bad? You know what I mean?
28:59
It's like that was a very selfish and weird way of like
29:03
making your point, bro, it's all we want.
29:06
He's got a pretty rough. Look at him.
29:07
Yeah, I was like, where's your Jedi compassion?
29:10
I don't know. I just thought that was maybe
29:13
that was deliberate. I'm sure it was like a
29:15
deliberate choice for writing but like, It made me really
29:18
angry. You could argue that like okay,
29:22
you have this, legendary Jedi who made it out of order, 66,
29:26
chilling in the desert somewhere.
29:27
You could say, get up and do something because if anyone's
29:30
going to be able to fight this it's you and Obi-Wan's literally
29:33
being complacent for a reason. Right.
29:37
I could see him arguing or any Jedi arguing like hey you're the
29:40
only one who can like you're more powerful than me.
29:43
You're more notable than me. You have friends still lingering
29:46
out there and that you know, like Baal or Gone to do
29:48
something. Yeah, but literally Obi-Wan's
29:50
doing the very best thing that he possibly can for the role
29:54
that he's taken on as being Luke's protector, right?
29:57
Right, exactly. And he says you need to go away,
30:00
you're going to draw too much attention.
30:02
And he could tell already, by the way, this guy comes out of
30:05
nowhere and starts to shows him his lightsaber and everything.
30:08
It's like he's already proving that he's not wise about how to
30:14
protect himself and any fellow Jedi.
30:16
This guy is just like Out there showing his skills around and
30:20
making people suspicious. So he has to push him away for
30:25
Luke's sake. He has to push him away.
30:28
Yeah. And again, Obi-Wan has to
30:31
witness someone he interacted with dying, that he couldn't
30:34
help. Yeah.
30:36
And it's just so out of his hands at this point.
30:38
It's just so out of his hands. Yeah.
30:40
Which it's a lot for one person. It is, I don't know how he
30:44
survives even his own his own thoughts.
30:47
But oh Master Qui-Gon. Oh my god.
30:51
Oh that line sent me. And the fact that he keeps
30:55
communicating quietly with Qui-Gon with no answer we're
30:59
going to get an answer. I think Qui-Gon Jinn voice is
31:01
gonna do you think they've made contact already?
31:03
And it's just like not like a really strong connection yet or
31:07
do you think he's still just tries?
31:08
It that's a great question. I think it's one of those things
31:11
that like you you find comfort in speaking to someone who's
31:15
dead even though you hope they're listening but you you
31:17
know, you really I don't know because I could see that.
31:20
Well, he's also closed himself off from the force.
31:23
So, how could he make real connection without using the
31:27
force? You have to have the force to?
31:29
It's true. Oh, so maybe he just opened up
31:31
the portal to do it because he used the force to save Leia.
31:35
Well, the second time he talks the Qui gonn or like speaks, you
31:39
know, if ever I need your guidance now.
31:41
Yes, who shows up instantly but a clone trooper at his feet.
31:45
This is true. That moment was crazy.
31:48
Everyone is true in our audience are screaming, as soon as they
31:51
heard tomorrow's voice. Oh my God.
31:54
People were like, it's gonna be Cody.
31:56
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. I, I said, holy shit.
32:00
That's a clone it because I knew it was, it was him, right?
32:03
But, like, that's crazy. The way they like crazy looked
32:06
at each other, but I know, right?
32:09
Like again, what you were saying like you and wasn't in Clone
32:12
Wars, but he was able to portray that like that was a 50 First
32:16
Soldier apparently. It's like, oh God even worse.
32:19
Yeah, so it's like these people fought side-by-side and other
32:23
look at each other and they can't even recognize each other
32:26
for a can't say anything. Yeah, it's just like Obi-Wan's.
32:30
Facial expression was so heartbreaking, where it's like
32:34
look what he knows what these Troopers have been through.
32:36
What they're capable of and now they're homeless sitting on a
32:40
drug-infested street. Like oh yeah, fucking
32:43
heartbreaking. Yeah.
32:44
It was it was great to see tomorrow.
32:46
I know I wonder if he'll Show up.
32:48
I mean, if command absolutely he will.
32:50
I'm hoping, dude. Yeah, what he shows up at this
32:52
show, I will literally lose my life.
32:56
Cody Rex any awesome. Like, I don't care fucking die.
33:00
Straight up dead. Yes, actually, now that you're
33:04
saying that like the soku mouth character gives.
33:07
Oh Dobie one, coordinates, it says, go to this place.
33:10
There are people who can help you and he says what people?
33:13
I wonder who that would be. Could be Rex.
33:16
It could. Well, it Well, I was still
33:18
waiting for castien to show up. I could I would love, I still
33:22
think. I still think there's a huge
33:25
huge chance that we could get Cassie and and or to show up
33:29
because he's entangled with bail.
33:31
So I would be I just million percent.
33:35
Okay with that. I just watch trust me to on the
33:37
plane here. Oh no.
33:39
Is he a go? Luna is so fucking good.
33:41
I cannot wait for any more Cassie and and Ori will be
33:45
thrilled. I know I'm I'm super excited and
33:49
to see him on the Vanity Fair cover and like interacting with
33:52
the other Star Wars greats, if you will.
33:56
Yeah, he deserves it because it's fucking great.
33:59
Also, speaking of drug invested Street, what is it with?
34:02
People always trying to sell Obi-Wan drugs that was, but you
34:06
know, that ewan's daughter, right?
34:07
Yeah, it's Esther. Okay, well, I thought it was a
34:11
fun nod to the Death Stick, however, more useful than the
34:16
Death Stick, as it turned out, But that's Obi-Wan's quick
34:18
thinking you know what I mean. He's never lost any of that
34:23
ever. Yeah.
34:24
And he got to beat the living piss out of people and I was
34:27
thinking of you the entire time was just gonna be so turned on.
34:30
I like to be. So epically turned on you you
34:33
were with you were amongst friends and you go in a public
34:38
place and I'm thinking she got publicly turned on by all this.
34:44
All right? I kept it myself under control
34:46
fairly well, What wasn't it great though?
34:49
Oh my God. Handled those bastards.
34:51
All I was every punch. He threw was the greatest moment
34:55
of my life. Absolutely over and over and
35:01
over again. Like you see he I don't even
35:03
know. It was like at least five to six
35:06
bounty hunters in like a five-minute period.
35:08
Yes. Yeah.
35:09
Great. It's like oh he's been here
35:11
before as well. He hasn't forgotten how to deal
35:13
with this without a lightsaber. Yeah it oh my God.
35:17
The way and The way he man handles those two in the hallway
35:21
and then grabs that one by the throat and says, where's the
35:24
girl? I was just like fuck, it's so
35:26
great. Even when he goes into the room
35:29
where it's like a trap where Leia is, it's a Droid head or
35:33
whatever under a cook and they're like I never knew a Jedi
35:36
could bleed and he says well everybody bleeds and throws that
35:40
drugs are the and then boom. Yeah.
35:42
Oh my God. I just love that so much.
35:45
It's so good. It's so Oh, it's like perfect.
35:48
You know, it's just so Obi-Wan and it's just exactly what I was
35:52
hoping for. You know, it's very ill, all of
35:54
it is very rako hardeen, right? Because he cares.
35:57
It is, he can't be a Jedi. He's not using the force.
36:00
This is all just OB, what? Yeah.
36:03
Yeah, this is we've been here before.
36:06
Yes, hoax. Yes.
36:07
It's great to see. Oh, I love it.
36:11
Um, I wanted to mention earlier when we were talking about
36:14
Obi-Wan's compassion and how like he wanted to help.
36:17
One in the line at the factory with the means or whatever
36:21
they're harvesting. How nice was it?
36:23
That he always saved a piece of meat for his little EOP.
36:25
He's little camel. Yes, I mean, that is so Obi-Wan
36:28
as well. He's a lover of all animals, All
36:31
Creatures. Yes, shares, what little he has.
36:35
Yeah, yeah, I loved that. I loved, I loved the scene with
36:39
the Jawa right around that same time, because I loved when he
36:43
said to the Zhao, like if you're going to steal my parts, could
36:46
you at least clean them before? So Selling them back to me.
36:48
Yes I laughed out loud at that because that is a goddamn
36:51
Obi-Wan Kenobi line, right there and delivered it so fluidly like
36:55
just like if you're going to sell the same Parts back to me,
36:58
you know it's like it's perfect. It was you was great like little
37:03
lines like that. I think are the ones that prove
37:05
like what a good actor he is because like yeah it could be so
37:10
easy to be fake sounding and that kind of exchange and he was
37:13
so yeah, I believed him so much in those little moments.
37:17
I loved it. Yeah, I I am very pleased with
37:21
where this is going. Obviously, I want to know more
37:24
about Reba. I want to see more of Vader.
37:27
We're going to get there. Yeah, and I've been very, very,
37:31
very happy with young Leia, everything with Alderaan.
37:35
I'm dying to see more Luke. I'm sure we'll see more.
37:38
You know. And they're just that it seemed
37:40
like such a throw off though because they only really talked
37:43
about Luke in like the promo material and the Leia is Is like
37:48
the focus. And honestly, I think it's true
37:50
that, like, rescuing Leia would have been the only thing to
37:54
tempt Obi-Wan away from Tatooine.
37:56
Yes, I think that was smart writing.
37:59
Well, we're going to see more Luke.
38:01
They're just getting lay out of the way, and that sounds like a
38:03
crass way to put it, but I think like, you have to open up this
38:06
storyline to make him. It's been ten years.
38:09
What's going to get him to move? Right?
38:13
The Skywalker Twins and his old friend, his old friend bail.
38:17
So it makes perfect sense well and I thought it was really
38:22
interesting too because and I was kind of grateful that they
38:25
did this and said this because bail says 20 be one.
38:29
She is just as important as he is like Leia is just as
38:33
important as Luke. Absolutely she is.
38:37
And we see why later she saves the Galaxy.
38:41
What twice? Like her influence.
38:43
I should say her influence at plays A Part.
38:47
Art in the outcome of the Galaxy surviving.
38:50
Yeah. Along with Luke Luke's part in
38:52
it. Yes, they have their they're not
38:55
the same roles but they're both extremely important roles.
38:58
Yeah, you have to their the balance, they are the balance.
39:00
There's the political the, the smart, the people person.
39:04
And then there's the, you know, the adventurer the, the Jedi, I
39:09
mean, of course, we know lay a train, but like, he's the one
39:12
putting it into action. So you have will say someone on
39:14
the ground, someone up above like, Leia's down on.
39:17
With the people and Lucas out fighting and blowing things up
39:21
and using the forest and connecting other people, and
39:23
finding being, you know, help la la.
39:25
It's a very basic way of saying, you know what their roles are,
39:29
but they're both extremely important.
39:32
Yeah. Yes.
39:32
And I love seeing how you could see traits of both Bria and
39:36
bail. We always talk about Leia and
39:38
bailed, but getting to see Bria and like how she says to Leia,
39:43
you'll get out of it. What you put into it?
39:45
If all just grinding ever, see me do His wave and she's like
39:48
you like saying you can do more than that.
39:51
Well, so I just thought that was really important that they're
39:54
giving the mother equal credit because obviously we only are
39:59
really see bail and Clone Wars. But you see the influence and
40:03
older Leia she's very much a mixture of Baal and Bria
40:07
obviously the clothes and the hair and everything but like the
40:09
diplomacy and the spunk and I don't know just everything
40:14
about. I just I fucking love Leia and
40:17
they Such a good job. I know, I just I love that.
40:21
She is a product of two people who very much loved her and
40:25
influenced her heavily. She is in Oregon.
40:29
I mean, she Skywalker by Blood family isn't always about who
40:33
you're born to, it's who you choose to be.
40:36
Yeah, you know, and we see that with Ray, in the end of, you
40:39
know, the rise of Skywalker. But I think we see it with Leia
40:42
because she obviously takes the influence from Bria and bail and
40:47
It forms and shapes the strong individual.
40:50
She becomes. Yeah, yes, she has traits of
40:53
Anakin and Padme obviously running through her blood.
40:55
It's in, it's her inherent, you know what, where she got it, but
40:59
how it was formed shaped and then, you know, ultimately,
41:03
displayed was all our Ghana. So I mean, it's no wonder when
41:06
you read books like bloodline, where it heavily focuses on Leia
41:10
and and how she moves through, you know, the new Republic and
41:13
stuff after the war that she's so strongly tied to her.
41:18
Step parents. You know she has every right to
41:20
call herself an Oregon. Honestly.
41:22
Yeah. But yes, it's like what we said
41:24
about re calling yourself a Skywalker.
41:26
It's like it's more than just like you said.
41:29
It's more than just a bloodline. It's a way of carrying yourself.
41:33
It's what you choose to be and and and the traits that you pick
41:38
up along the way shape a person and I think that even just in
41:42
the small amount of scenes that we got for Bria and bail, it's
41:45
like so perfect. Yeah, it was really beautiful.
41:47
Clearly it's a clear clearly written envisioned thing that
41:52
came to life and that's what I appreciate about it the most.
41:54
Now if they can hold on to this for the next four episodes and I
41:57
have all the confidence in the world that they will, will be
42:00
very happy. But I could die tomorrow and be,
42:02
I don't want to. If I did, I'd be very happy with
42:04
the first two episodes of the Kenobi series.
42:07
I'm telling you. Seriously, I do good really.
42:09
Enjoy how their unraveling, everything at a slow pace, it
42:14
doesn't have to be crazy. And it's not like overdone, In
42:17
sequences or anything because this is a story that's more
42:21
personal and it's going to because the original Star Wars
42:26
is the same way even though there's big action sequences,
42:28
it's really about the relationships.
42:31
And so yeah, this is going to come back down to 0 b, 1 and
42:35
Anakin's connection and then, yep, the peripherals around that
42:40
and how it's all influence. So I'm very excited to see what
42:43
comes next. Which is tomorrow, it's
42:46
tomorrow. I-i'm just, we are winning as
42:54
Star Wars fans. We are, oh my God, there is,
42:58
there is so much out there. Just, what was announced its
43:01
celebration versus what? We're getting in the Kenobi
43:03
series. Like the future of Star Wars is
43:06
very bright and the future is tomorrow.
43:08
With episode 3 of the show, I can't wait.
43:11
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for international friends will have dead times.
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Hmm, to try and cater to everybody and all of their needs
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because listen, I need to talk about things and if we get
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Tomorrow, I'm going to need to talk even more so and feel free
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if you want to join our group therapy, our support group chat,
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you don't even have to talk. You can just sit there and
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listen, you don't have to have your camera on.
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Don't feel pressured to do anything.
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You don't want to this is a group therapy session.
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Make it what you want. Yeah.
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As Bria said you'll get out of it.
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What you put into it if you don't want to put anything into
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it, you just want to listen. We invite that as well.
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Yes, exactly. And it's nice because I think
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Zoom allows you to be a little more private.
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You can change your username. Surname.
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It doesn't have to like say your exact name.
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So if you want to join, find us on Twitter, Instagram Tumblr.
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I've had a few people message me on Tumblr, you can email us at
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most things, could know, be a gmail.com.
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Let us know, you're interested. You could also contact us on
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patreon where also on patreon, let us know you're interested in
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joining in a private message and said us the email address.
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You would like us to send the invitation link.
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We're never going to like, use that email for anything else.
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It's totally private ever. Just email you the link the day
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of the group therapy session and we will all put our feelings out
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there together. We will We Will and it should be
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fun because holy shit, we have a lot to talk about.
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What have three episodes. Oh my gosh over.
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So I feel kind of bummed that we had to cram episode 1 and 2 into
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one of our episodes because I feel like there's even more we
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could talk about. But oh, we can't.
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But Wilma will take notes will review.
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We'll talk about things next week and next week.
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So Episode 4 covering episode 3 and hey, in our support group we
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may get theories and ideas and points that we didn't even
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notice. Yeah.
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And we can talk about it. Also, this is a never morphing
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evolving thing, and these are just our initial thoughts and
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holy shit. I'm pleased.
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Are you pleased? Oh, I'm so pleased.
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This is everything I could have hoped for honestly.
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Like you said, if we get, if this is all week it I would be
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very happy. I'm I loved.
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What? What they put out already Our
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question for you this week is very simple if you had to pick
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one favorite moment from both episodes, what is your favorite
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moment from episode 1 and 2 of the Kenobi series?
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We know it's a tall order but we believe in you.
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You can do it. Yes you can do this.
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We would love to know next week. Join us back.
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We're going to talk about episode 3 which I can't wait, it
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comes out. Like a few hours from now.
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So we are we are cramming so much Kenobi into these days.
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It's crazy, but I'm not complaining one little bit, so
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not at all. We are blessed.
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Okay. Last week on the podcast, which
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I know is very difficult to remember, now that we've already
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had episode 1 & 2 of Kenobi, and all of Celebration happening,
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there's just been a crazy amount of information that's come out
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over the last week so I don't blame you for maybe not
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Whirring. What happened in our last
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episode? But we did a recap of our top
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five badass Obi-Wan moments. And we got a lot of responses,
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long responses, passionate responses from our listeners and
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you guys blew me away. So I'm going to read a few of
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those, just Snippets of those for you right now breath in my
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blood on Instagram said and I'm paraphrasing here.
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But for my baddest Kenobi moments, I think the one that
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often Comes to mind first is right after his fight with
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Vizsla where he grabs the teen and jumps how many feet down the
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Elevator Shaft before it blows up like in real life.
47:56
Neither of them should have survived that kind of fall but
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just the sheer spontaneity and instant Rapport, they have.
48:03
After all those years, he makes sure to protect her and have
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that Perfect Landing. I love that moment.
48:09
I have thoughts about that moment and Clone Wars collector.
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On Instagram said, o V1. Dismal on Tatooine.
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I know a lot of people are annoyed at how that dual ended,
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but I find it so badass because it was that short a little of
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that was definitely fueled by emotion and no one can tell me
48:30
otherwise that is a great moment that we didn't even touch on but
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Leann and I both agreed that Final Duel.
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The twin Suns duel is actually pretty pristine and we could do
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a whole episode on that and maybe we will these lists go on
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and on and now that The Kenobi Series has started.
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We have even more badass moments, which Leann and I
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promise to recap or countdown or outline for you at some point in
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the future. Good Lord, where we blessed with
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wonderful Kenobi content this past week and in just a few
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hours we're going to get some more.
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Thank you as always for joining us here on the most things
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head over to most things Kenobi.com.
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So, until next time, my space twin May the force be with you
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always.