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Seahawks’ Mike McDonald is ELITE, Patriots’ Will Campbell’s Future, Dad Diaries, Post-Super Bowl Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff three and out podcast, Hopefully you're doing well.
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Speaker 1: Little super Bowl come down and the realization that football
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Speaker 1: is over. That makes me sad, really does. But we
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Speaker 1: keep chugging here because I gotta keep the lights on.
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Speaker 1: So we'll talk some football because Sam Donald, it's just
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Speaker 1: I can't get enough of this story. Mike McDonald, will
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Speaker 1: Campbell Dad Diaries, Little Middlecoff mail bag at John Middlecoff
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Speaker 1: is the Instagram fire in those dms. And I will
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Speaker 1: answer your questions here on the show. I will. I
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Speaker 1: think I have one more podcast this week and then
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Speaker 1: you never know. I mean, we're in the reaction business,
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Speaker 1: so crazy things happen. I will do a show, but
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Speaker 1: I think the game plan is Thursday through the following week,
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Speaker 1: no podcasts. So take a little time with my family.
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Speaker 1: I got my mom and mother in law coming this weekend.
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Speaker 1: I'm actually doing the Herd with Colin on Friday and Monday,
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Speaker 1: but those are quick, just day trips back and forth.
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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna just take a couple of days off,
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Speaker 1: just take a deep breath, spend some time with my
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Speaker 1: little man and my wife and help out a little
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Speaker 1: more around the house, and then in two weeks we'll
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Speaker 1: be at the combine, going to the Combine, and we
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Speaker 1: will try to do some fire content because I might
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Speaker 1: actually got a text back today from a GM that
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Speaker 1: literally just won the Super Bowl yesterday. So we'll see
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Speaker 1: if we can effort Schneider back on the show. And
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Speaker 1: I got a bunch of other guys that I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: this little old podcast. It happens to be on Netflix,
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Speaker 1: that will be the game plan as of right now.
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Speaker 1: And other than that, make sure you subscribe if you
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Speaker 1: listen on Collins Feed to the three and out feet.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate all you guys that do. And let's talk some football.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with the idea of the term bust, because
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Speaker 1: that term gets thrown around, and obviously we have some
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Speaker 1: legendary individuals that fall under that category, right JaMarcus Russell,
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Speaker 1: Ryan Leaf, Guys that were drafted number one or number
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Speaker 1: two overall that just were out of the league really
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Speaker 1: really fast. Johnny Manzell right now, he wasn't drafted as
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Speaker 1: high as those guys, but just a disastrous tenure in
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Speaker 1: the NFL. And then you have guys like Marcus Mariota
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Speaker 1: who was drafted really high and who hasn't been a
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Speaker 1: starter in a long time as a career backup. And
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Speaker 1: I think there are two different categories, because Sam Darnold,
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Speaker 1: that word gets used a lot. I think you either
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Speaker 1: fall into the category of you're not mature enough. You
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Speaker 1: don't have the EQ at the time in your early
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Speaker 1: mid twenties to hand the situation, and you are a
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Speaker 1: disaster as a person, and you get washed out because
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Speaker 1: the league says we can't trust you, you're not good
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Speaker 1: enough and clearly you're not working hard enough, and this
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Speaker 1: is just not for you. And those guys, it's pretty
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Speaker 1: rare that happens, right, but when it does, it's just
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Speaker 1: a pretty historic moment that we talk about forever. And
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Speaker 1: then they're just the guys that aren't talented enough. And
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Speaker 1: that's where I think Marcus Mariota falls under. But he's
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Speaker 1: going to have a long career. I struggled to call
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Speaker 1: those type guys bus he was just overdrafted. If you
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Speaker 1: play in the league for ten to fifteen years, like
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Speaker 1: you had a long, successful NFL career, it turns out
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Speaker 1: you aren't a starter. Happens to a bunch of guys
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Speaker 1: at a bunch of different positions that have long careers.
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Speaker 1: They're backups. Like to me, that's very very successful. Just
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Speaker 1: turns out you were overdrafted. I remember when the forty
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Speaker 1: nine ers drafted Solomon Thomas number three overall. It was
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Speaker 1: his fault. Should have gone like the third round and
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Speaker 1: we would look back at his career and go, Slomon
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Speaker 1: Thomas had a hell of a career. He played in
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Speaker 1: the league for twelve years. Instead, he's a third overall
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Speaker 1: pick and you go, ah, didn't live up to the hype. No.
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Speaker 1: I just think he was overvalued. And at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, the draft is a marketplace and you
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Speaker 1: were judging their character. They're into, you know, the person,
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Speaker 1: which is by far the most important thing, which clearly
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Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota, for example, checks all the boxes off the field,
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Speaker 1: lush football, works hard, great teammate, everything he'd want in
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Speaker 1: the locker room. He just lacks the talent to be
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Speaker 1: good enough to make your full time starter and win games. Right.
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Speaker 1: So I think when Sam Darnold got labeled to bust,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't fair because he didn't lack the talent, right,
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Speaker 1: you see these guys all over the league that are backups.
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Speaker 1: He's way more gifted than those guys like Mac Jones,
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Speaker 1: Who's gonna play like Marcus Mariota in the NFL for
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Speaker 1: a long time. His skill set is not great, not
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Speaker 1: a great athlete, not a great arm. You know, he's
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Speaker 1: nothing about him you would categorize as above average, let
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Speaker 1: alone elite. When it comes to his physical skills, now
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Speaker 1: mentally is something I think he's worked a lot on
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Speaker 1: to build his confidence. Clearly can handle a playbook, has
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Speaker 1: played for Josh, now, has played for Kyle, but like
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Speaker 1: his physical skills are probably averaged to below where Sam
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Speaker 1: Donald's are pretty elite. He has an elite arm, and
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Speaker 1: he is extremely mobile. Not a running quarterback, but a
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Speaker 1: very mobile quarterback. And then when you look at the
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Speaker 1: guys that flame out of the league, you go, well,
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Speaker 1: low character, guy, couldn't trust him, immature, didn't try. I
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Speaker 1: mean a lot of guys that flame out of the
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Speaker 1: league don't try. And then they look back and they,
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Speaker 1: oh God, I wish I would have put in a
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Speaker 1: little more effort. That clearly was not a Sam Donald problem.
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Speaker 1: When you look at the people that Sam Donald came
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Speaker 1: into contact with early in his career, the Jets and
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Speaker 1: then the Carolina Panthers under Matt rule, you'd go those
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Speaker 1: places are failures. Matt Ruhle was a failure as a
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Speaker 1: head coach. He was not good enough in the NFL,
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Speaker 1: and jury's out at Nebraska if he's good enough in
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Speaker 1: college given how much money he makes. Pretty sure they
6:13
Speaker 1: just won seven to five, you know. And while the
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Speaker 1: Big Ten has some high end teams at the top,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't exactly call it murderous row in the middle
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Speaker 1: in the bottom. So I would say that Sam Darnold
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Speaker 1: was failed by the people he was working for and
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Speaker 1: coaching him. And once he got in the right situation,
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Speaker 1: his talent shined, and definitely his character shined. And I
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Speaker 1: thought he said this multiple places last night, and it
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Speaker 1: really hit me about where his character and the way
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Speaker 1: he carries himself comes from. And he gave all the
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Speaker 1: credit to his parents. And it wasn't some long like
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Speaker 1: you know, his dad taught him all the skills, how
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Speaker 1: to throw, worked with him every day. It was just
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Speaker 1: they believed in me. And I think that's a very
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Speaker 1: powerful Obviously, we have a lot of young parents that
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Speaker 1: listen to this. We have people that are older with
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Speaker 1: you know, older kids. We have people that will one
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Speaker 1: day have a family. And I can only speak from
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Speaker 1: my own experience. My dad was a tomato farma like.
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Speaker 1: He couldn't have envisioned his son, probably when I was
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Speaker 1: ten years old working in the NFL. And it wasn't
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Speaker 1: something that he pushed me to do or ever brought
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Speaker 1: up as an idea, but as my life kind of
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Speaker 1: took that road, you know, to work in college football.
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Speaker 1: Not only did he never push back against it, and
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Speaker 1: he wasn't My dad was not some emotional, sappy guy,
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Speaker 1: So there wasn't some talk in his office of John,
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Speaker 1: you can do anything you put your mind to. I
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Speaker 1: believe in you. But he always supported me. And he
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Speaker 1: never said when I got hired at Fresno State out
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Speaker 1: of college, how much money are they paying you? You
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Speaker 1: don't have health benefits, You're just getting paid like eight
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month, this is your job. Never said that.
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Speaker 1: He actually, with my mom, came to our bold games
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Speaker 1: and we weren't exactly playing at the Orange or the
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Speaker 1: Rose bul We played in the New Mexico Bowl, and
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Speaker 1: they were there twice, and then when I got hired
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Speaker 1: with the Eagles and I was making like twenty five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars at twenty six years old, he drove my
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Speaker 1: car across the country. And watching Sam Darnold talk about
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Speaker 1: his parents, there is something so powerful and listen, whether
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Speaker 1: it's your parents, whether it's a coach, whether it's your grandparents,
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Speaker 1: whoever plays a strong role in your life when you're
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Speaker 1: growing up, especially for boys in their teens and in
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Speaker 1: their early twenties, most of us are kind of immature.
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Speaker 1: To have people that support you, you honestly become driven
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Speaker 1: to do it for them. You know, sometimes especially in
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Speaker 1: a lot of you guys have brought this up as
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Speaker 1: you have children. You know, I lost my dad twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 1: You become sappy in certain situations and you think about
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Speaker 1: things you accomplish in life, whether it be personally or professionally,
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Speaker 1: and it's sad knowing that that person's not there to
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Speaker 1: even see the experience or you can share the experience
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Speaker 1: with them. And for those of you that you know
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Speaker 1: have the opportunity to still be in those positions with
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Speaker 1: your parents or you know you as a parent with
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Speaker 1: your children, you got to really take advantage of that,
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Speaker 1: because you'll look back one day when that's not available
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Speaker 1: and goes God. But it also drives you to go.
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Speaker 1: You know, this person supported me. This person wanted me
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Speaker 1: to be successful in whatever I wanted to be successful in,
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Speaker 1: not something they were living vicariously through, not something they
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Speaker 1: pushed on you. And it kind of serves as a
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Speaker 1: driving mechanism. I was watching some of Cowards. I had
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Speaker 1: did a little babysitting duty, even though I've been told
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Speaker 1: when it's your own child, it's not technically babysitting, but
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Speaker 1: I like to consider a babysitting So I basically did
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Speaker 1: dad duty from about five forty five am till about
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Speaker 1: one o'clock in the afternoon. So I just a lot
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Speaker 1: of time on the couch with him sleep, been me
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Speaker 1: and the iPad and the TV. And I was watching Coward,
10:04
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the difference of Baker Mayfield and
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Speaker 1: Sam Darnald. And Baker has this huge chip on his shoulder,
10:10
Speaker 1: which again he's not alone Brady huge chip on his shoulder,
10:14
Speaker 1: A lot of coaches big chips on Sean Payton makes
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Speaker 1: twenty million dollars a year, it looks like he's got
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Speaker 1: the a chip on his shoulder the size of a boulder.
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Speaker 1: We're all driven different ways, but I do think when
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Speaker 1: you're driven to try to do it for the people
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Speaker 1: that supported you from the jump back when no one
10:32
Speaker 1: might have known who you were. No one envisioned you
10:35
Speaker 1: being an NFL starting quarterback, let alone winning the Super Bowl.
10:39
Speaker 1: No one envisioned you starting whatever company you started, no
10:42
Speaker 1: one envisioned you doing whatever. There's a level of pride
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Speaker 1: that you take in that. And I also think there's
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Speaker 1: a level of humility that comes with that as well,
10:51
Speaker 1: because you just look back kind of in simpler times,
10:55
Speaker 1: and I just find Sam Darnald one of the more
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Speaker 1: likable guys in recent memory and sort and I think
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Speaker 1: sometimes sports and listen, I've been in it, I know
11:04
Speaker 1: kind of how the sausage is made. I've been around
11:07
Speaker 1: other pro sports when I worked in radio. You kind
11:10
Speaker 1: of can become jaded to it all. And I think
11:13
Speaker 1: there's something in this story and watching this guy have
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Speaker 1: success with his teammates. I mean, in a weird way,
11:19
Speaker 1: everyone tried to make it about him, yet the way
11:22
Speaker 1: he's wired, he made it about everyone else, starting with
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Speaker 1: his family to his teammates, to his coaches. Something just
11:29
Speaker 1: makes you feel good about watching all this cause I
11:32
Speaker 1: mean sometimes and listen, I'll just be watching football, which
11:35
Speaker 1: I love to do, but you just kind of become
11:39
Speaker 1: numb to it all. It's like, what's my take, what's
11:41
Speaker 1: the angle, what's gonna be the most entertaining thing, what's
11:43
Speaker 1: the thing I'm fired up on? And this is just like,
11:46
Speaker 1: I just don't think you'll talk to anybody that won't
11:48
Speaker 1: go that was cool. But that was a cool moment.
11:52
Speaker 1: And in a world where we just don't have that
11:54
Speaker 1: many more of them, I mean a lot of things
11:57
Speaker 1: in society just looked like one giant fugazi. The Sam
12:00
Speaker 1: Donald Sam Donald story was just kind of well needed
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Speaker 1: and I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I'm gonna find myself
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Speaker 1: rooting for the guy the rest of his career. A
12:11
Speaker 1: lot of you guys, especially younger people, asked me for advice.
12:15
Speaker 1: How do you how do you get in somewhere? How
12:17
Speaker 1: do you how do you get a hold of someone?
12:18
Speaker 1: How do I break into sports? How do I get
12:21
Speaker 1: a job working for a team. I want to become
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Speaker 1: a coach? What do I do? And I saw this
12:26
Speaker 1: clip It was actually from a couple of years ago
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Speaker 1: of Mike McDonald when he was the defensive coordinator for
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Speaker 1: the Ravens. He was being interviewed I think by a
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Speaker 1: big Georgia Bulldog podcast where he got where he was
12:40
Speaker 1: an undergrad and got the start to his coaching career,
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Speaker 1: and he discussed how he broke in to the business
12:47
Speaker 1: because Mike McDonald was an undergrad that did not play
12:50
Speaker 1: for the Georgia Bulldogs, that was a finance major. I
12:54
Speaker 1: looked at his Wikipedia today. He was sum mukum laude,
12:57
Speaker 1: something I definitely was not, and something when I see
13:00
Speaker 1: I'm impressed because if you can go to college and
13:03
Speaker 1: stay focused and stay disciplined like your parents, your teachers,
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Speaker 1: like no one gives a shit, Like it's on you
13:09
Speaker 1: to excel in that environment. So you do that, especially
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Speaker 1: at bigger schools and certain departments like that, that's really impressive.
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Speaker 1: There is no disputing Mike McDonald's really smart. Like Mike
13:19
Speaker 1: McDonald from an IQ standpoint, if you just if you
13:23
Speaker 1: just canvass the landscape. I'm not even talking head coaches,
13:25
Speaker 1: I'm just talking coaches. In the NFL. He's probably in
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Speaker 1: the top couple percent. I mean, there's probably half the
13:32
Speaker 1: league that are glorified gym teachers and in football didn't exist,
13:36
Speaker 1: they would struggle to make a hundred grant. And I'm
13:38
Speaker 1: not trying to be a dick. It's just a fact,
13:40
Speaker 1: you know. And I think it's why so many people
13:43
Speaker 1: in the business there's so much resentfulness. It's a unique industry.
13:47
Speaker 1: I mean, you can be a position coach making nine
13:48
Speaker 1: hundred grand. Like, how many humans you know that are
13:51
Speaker 1: w two employees that make nine hundred thousand dollars. It's like, well,
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Speaker 1: are they the CEO or the boss of the company? No,
13:56
Speaker 1: Well are they like the number two? No? Not really,
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Speaker 1: They're just like a middle management. I mean it's a
14:01
Speaker 1: very replaceable. Yeah, they make nine hundred grad they sign
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Speaker 1: a three year contract fully guaranteed. So it's a very
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Speaker 1: unique business that way. And I think Mike McDonald, who
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Speaker 1: clearly is really really sharp, could have ran a bank right,
14:15
Speaker 1: could have been a partner in some VC firm. Like
14:18
Speaker 1: I say this all the time, Like I watched Matt
14:20
Speaker 1: Ryan's press commence. If Matt Ryan wasn't a football player,
14:23
Speaker 1: he would have been successful doing something. You watch Drew
14:26
Speaker 1: Brees like that guy would be successful if football didn't exist,
14:30
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin and the Hardbob Brothers would have been just
14:33
Speaker 1: fucking fine. I promise you that. And you watch Mike McDonald,
14:37
Speaker 1: you're like football. A lot of coaches in the league
14:39
Speaker 1: they probably wish he would have taken a finance career
14:41
Speaker 1: because he's clearly elite at his job and he's only
14:43
Speaker 1: thirty eight thirty nine years old. But he discussed the
14:46
Speaker 1: way he broke in like he didn't know anybody. He
14:49
Speaker 1: wasn't on the team, so it's not like he knew
14:51
Speaker 1: the coaches. It's not like he was some blue chip
14:53
Speaker 1: athlete that everyone knew his name. He would show up
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Speaker 1: at the facility once a week for years and he
15:01
Speaker 1: wouldn't really get yes this, it's not like they hired
15:03
Speaker 1: him to the staff. But he just kept up and
15:07
Speaker 1: kept going and finally something broke. Ironically, he said he
15:11
Speaker 1: ran into Todd Grantham, who was the defensive coordinat at
15:14
Speaker 1: the time, out of Starbucks. But he had already been
15:16
Speaker 1: wearing those guys out, so they knew who he was.
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Speaker 1: And I think there is a power. And this is
15:22
Speaker 1: why I always give the advice do something and fall
15:26
Speaker 1: away passion, because when you follow a passion, it is
15:29
Speaker 1: much easier to go above and beyond to try to
15:32
Speaker 1: accomplish what you want to accomplish, because if you're not
15:35
Speaker 1: passionate about it, it's really easy to tap out or
15:38
Speaker 1: go I don't need to do this today, or I'm
15:40
Speaker 1: not really going to go Sunday afternoon and do some
15:44
Speaker 1: extra work. I'm not really feeling it. But when you
15:46
Speaker 1: are and listen, he's lucky. He's passionate about something that
15:51
Speaker 1: is a lucrative profession. Right if you're like selling you know,
15:55
Speaker 1: Pokemon cards, who knows, that might be a lucrative profession too,
15:58
Speaker 1: But things are going to have a higher ceiling in
16:02
Speaker 1: terms of earning power. But Mike McDonald really benefited from
16:08
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna take no for an answer. I was
16:10
Speaker 1: going to find a way in. And I really respect
16:14
Speaker 1: that because he's a guy. I mean, there are a
16:17
Speaker 1: lot of coaches in the league that I mean, there's
16:19
Speaker 1: a decent amount that played in the NFL or just
16:22
Speaker 1: played at a high level of college. You are just
16:25
Speaker 1: going to have the ability to network doing that. That
16:29
Speaker 1: is a huge advantage for you, right, I mean, I
16:33
Speaker 1: was a GA at Fresno State. We have a ton
16:35
Speaker 1: of guys that are now coaching, either in college or
16:39
Speaker 1: the pros that played for that program, and a huge
16:42
Speaker 1: advantage they had, just like me. When I became a
16:45
Speaker 1: GA at Fresnel State, Pat Hill got on the phone
16:48
Speaker 1: and recommended me to Andy Reid. I never would have
16:52
Speaker 1: worked for the Eagles if I didn't have that network
16:56
Speaker 1: of working for coach Hill, Right, if I just tried
16:58
Speaker 1: to break into the NFL, well, it never would have happened.
17:02
Speaker 1: And I got lucky that my cousin had played at
17:04
Speaker 1: Forresno State. Mike McDonald didn't looked like he had any
17:08
Speaker 1: of that, and he got the opportunity. He never looked back.
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Speaker 1: But he's also a product of like Sam Donald. Like
17:13
Speaker 1: Sam Donald got drafted the Jets and then Matt Ruh
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Speaker 1: wanted him, shocking he failed. Once Kyle Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell,
17:21
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald got their hands on him, he shot up
17:24
Speaker 1: like a rocket ship to the moon. Mike McDonald's first
17:27
Speaker 1: job in the NFL as an intern came with John Harball.
17:31
Speaker 1: I think Mike would be the first to tell you
17:33
Speaker 1: if Mike would have got hired by some random coach
17:37
Speaker 1: that was two and three years and done. His career
17:40
Speaker 1: is probably not here. That's the crazy part about life.
17:43
Speaker 1: That's the crazy part about football. Whoever gets you you're in,
17:47
Speaker 1: whoever you worked for early on in your career, takes
17:51
Speaker 1: you along a journey that you can't really plan for.
17:54
Speaker 1: I got very lucky when I worked for the Eagles.
17:56
Speaker 1: We've had a ton of head coaches that were on
17:58
Speaker 1: that staff, a ton of guys that either became GMS
18:02
Speaker 1: or number two throughout the league or scouting for different teams.
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Speaker 1: Like if I had worked for some random franchise that
18:08
Speaker 1: the coach got fired a year later, probably wouldn't know anybody.
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Speaker 1: And I think when you look at Mike McDonald, you go, shit,
18:16
Speaker 1: just worked out. But he also kind of created his
18:18
Speaker 1: own luck. And you watch him coach, he's he's elite.
18:24
Speaker 1: I mean that, there is no disputing this. He obviously
18:27
Speaker 1: like when you are a coordinator for a Hardbob Brother
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Speaker 1: like it's your baby. And clearly that defense a couple
18:32
Speaker 1: of years ago in Baltimore, it's like, okay, number one defense,
18:35
Speaker 1: what's it gonna look like when you're a head coach.
18:38
Speaker 1: Because I'm guilty as anybody, it's like, well, it's one
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Speaker 1: thing being a coordinator. Try being the head coach two
18:43
Speaker 1: years in. Once he gets with John and they kind
18:46
Speaker 1: of establish exactly what they're looking for. Best defense in
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Speaker 1: the league absolutely curbsnop an opponent in the Super Bowl,
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Speaker 1: New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia, Will Campbell Can he turn
21:23
Speaker 1: it around? And this is going to be a fascinating
21:28
Speaker 1: question all offseason. Obviously Drake may was terrible. But anytime
21:32
Speaker 1: you were under duress, whether you're Peyton Manning or Tom Brady,
21:36
Speaker 1: or whether you're Tua Tonga bai Loa, you're gonna be
21:38
Speaker 1: in trouble. Now, Drake was bad, but as the game
21:41
Speaker 1: went on, it got worse because he was all out
21:44
Speaker 1: of sorts because his offensive lineman couldn't block Mir or you.
21:48
Speaker 1: And when you're playing the best defense in the league
21:50
Speaker 1: with team speed at an elite level, you're gonna be
21:53
Speaker 1: in major, major trouble. I mean, their dbs are blitzing
21:57
Speaker 1: like their Troy Paulamalu, all of their linemen pass rush
22:01
Speaker 1: like you're in trouble. And when your left tackle has
22:04
Speaker 1: one of the worst games I think I've read like
22:06
Speaker 1: the Internet era, you got to ask yourself, is he
22:10
Speaker 1: the right guy for the job because it wasn't just
22:13
Speaker 1: the super Bowl, it was the playoffs. The Chargers destroyed him.
22:19
Speaker 1: Will Anderson made him look like a practice squad player.
22:23
Speaker 1: And here's the question from a scouting standpoint, He's not
22:26
Speaker 1: some freak god given all time just elite talent. He's
22:32
Speaker 1: not Jason Peters or Trent Williams, who has the speed
22:36
Speaker 1: of a linebacker, who has the feet of a running back,
22:40
Speaker 1: who has the strength of a you know, one of
22:43
Speaker 1: those strongman competitions, who has it all. He's not that,
22:49
Speaker 1: and you watch him go up against powerful players, he
22:52
Speaker 1: gets tossed around like a rag doll. He doesn't have
22:56
Speaker 1: the length or the physical features of like a Joe
22:59
Speaker 1: alt Right. He's a short, stubby guy who honestly looks
23:03
Speaker 1: kind of pudgy. Now, can he reimagine his body with
23:07
Speaker 1: a better diet, with a better workout plan. Sure, but
23:11
Speaker 1: he's never gonna be viewed as some elite talent. He's
23:15
Speaker 1: just not in most drafts. He would never be the
23:18
Speaker 1: first tackle off the board. But they were desperate. He
23:22
Speaker 1: is a high character, work hard guy, and they said, listen,
23:25
Speaker 1: he's this our type. Guy was a weird draft and
23:27
Speaker 1: they took him but the better competition he played the
23:31
Speaker 1: worst it got. And I'm not just gonna sell the
23:35
Speaker 1: guy like he could never pull this off and just
23:38
Speaker 1: say get rid of him. This is never gonna work.
23:41
Speaker 1: But I do think if he's going to be a
23:43
Speaker 1: successful player, Like, part of what made Peyton Manning a
23:47
Speaker 1: success was not his athletic ability. It wasn't his arm strength.
23:53
Speaker 1: It was his fundamentals. He was the most fundamentally sound
23:57
Speaker 1: player probably in league history. I saw this clip of
24:01
Speaker 1: John Gruden. He was talking to some quarterback and he
24:05
Speaker 1: said Peyton Manning would make teach tapes of every single
24:10
Speaker 1: play in the playbook with the specific drills on the
24:15
Speaker 1: footwork and the timing of like twenty to twenty five
24:19
Speaker 1: snaps of the each individual place and study it throughout
24:23
Speaker 1: the offseason to make sure his fundamentals were perfect. Scotti Scheffler,
24:29
Speaker 1: best golfer in the world. Do you know the first
24:31
Speaker 1: thing he checks his alignment and grip, the most basic
24:36
Speaker 1: element of the golf swing, not even the golf swing,
24:39
Speaker 1: it's just when you stand over the golf bowl and
24:42
Speaker 1: when clearly his fundamentals he's just lost right in Will Campbell.
24:48
Speaker 1: But if he is going to be a functional good starter.
24:52
Speaker 1: To me, he's going to have to be known as
24:54
Speaker 1: the most fundamentally sound player in the league, because the
24:57
Speaker 1: guy that we witnessed was just hold on for dear life.
25:02
Speaker 1: And you can't function in the NFL if your left
25:04
Speaker 1: tackle cannot block. There are just the shitty teams have
25:08
Speaker 1: pass rushers. Think about that. The Cleveland Browns, who are
25:12
Speaker 1: a joke, have the best pass rusher of the league.
25:14
Speaker 1: The Raiders, who are drafting one overall, have Max Crosby, Right,
25:20
Speaker 1: I mean, think about the Cardinals who are drafting high.
25:22
Speaker 1: Have some good defensive linemen. They got sweat. They could
25:26
Speaker 1: probably put Walter Nolan over them. Bad teams have pass rushers,
25:30
Speaker 1: let alone the good ones. So they're gonna have to
25:32
Speaker 1: go on the lab and ask themselves, is this his fundamentals?
25:36
Speaker 1: Can we get him fundamentally sound to make him a
25:38
Speaker 1: solid player, or do we just have to move him
25:41
Speaker 1: into guard? But the problem is, left tackles don't grow
25:44
Speaker 1: in trees, so where do we even find one? They're
25:47
Speaker 1: not just available in free agency. And now, because we
25:49
Speaker 1: just went to the Super Bowl, we're drafting at the
25:51
Speaker 1: end of the first round. And even in this draft,
25:54
Speaker 1: the best tackles are actually right tackles. Miami guy, the
25:58
Speaker 1: Utah guy, Like they're not left tackle. They literally play
26:01
Speaker 1: a right tackle right. So I think the Patriots have
26:05
Speaker 1: to ask themselves because listen, he had an awful game.
26:07
Speaker 1: He's clearly banged up. He didn't have a good playoffs.
26:10
Speaker 1: But no one argues when they've seen Drake mayhealthy, like
26:13
Speaker 1: that's a guy that every team would want. That is
26:16
Speaker 1: a young player with a ton of upside, just what
26:20
Speaker 1: you want in a quarterback. That's not the case when
26:22
Speaker 1: you watch Will Campbell. Listen, I was hesitant to go.
26:26
Speaker 1: You know, Joel, I see it clear that Joel, you're
26:28
Speaker 1: like six', nine six,' ten you go to, play tackle
26:30
Speaker 1: and then you watch. Him move he's got feet Like He's.
26:33
Speaker 1: Lane johnson, you're like this guy's a big time athlete and.
26:35
Speaker 1: He's powerful he's just. Really good his bend is not,
26:38
Speaker 1: An issue like it's not a big. Time talent that's
26:41
Speaker 1: not the Case Of. Will CAMPBELL and I Think, mike
26:44
Speaker 1: vrabel who is an in the trenches, tough guy has
26:48
Speaker 1: got to ask himself some tough questions. This offseason can
26:51
Speaker 1: we make this work or do we got to make
26:53
Speaker 1: the pivot. Right now and if we make the pivot,
26:56
Speaker 1: right now what are, our options because most of them
26:58
Speaker 1: are not going to be. That good before we get into,
27:01
Speaker 1: THE mailbag i just have A Quick. DAD diaries i
27:06
Speaker 1: last WEEK before i Went To, SAN francisco i had
27:10
Speaker 1: to record. SOME interviews i did one with with a
27:15
Speaker 1: couple of our podcasts on the volume and just some other.
27:17
Speaker 1: Random PEOPLE and i just didn't have time to go
27:20
Speaker 1: to this, doctor's appointment and my wife was just taking
27:26
Speaker 1: him for, a checkup but he also had gotten circumcised
27:29
Speaker 1: like a, week before and it's just. IT'S tough, i
27:32
Speaker 1: mean when you watch that that the process of like
27:34
Speaker 1: the week or, two before the little thing they put
27:37
Speaker 1: on top. Falls off it doesn't. Look great and, you
27:41
Speaker 1: know If you i've never seen a. Kid's circumcised so,
27:43
Speaker 1: she's like let's just double check everything's okay with. A
27:47
Speaker 1: doctor so she. Gets there turns out. A doctor i
27:50
Speaker 1: don't know if a car accident, or something but he just.
27:52
Speaker 1: Wasn't there they said he. Was INJURED still i still
27:55
Speaker 1: haven't heard what his, injury is but he was just
27:56
Speaker 1: injured out of, the office, so Essentially and i'm here
28:00
Speaker 1: in the office she's at the at the, pediatrician's office
28:04
Speaker 1: so they give her like a, backup, doctor who, she said,
28:08
Speaker 1: felt like, you know a, borderline intern didn't really know
28:11
Speaker 1: how to answer the questions when it came to. The
28:13
Speaker 1: circumcision so she called one of the main doctors and
28:17
Speaker 1: put him. On FaceTime so, he's, like hey let me check.
28:20
Speaker 1: And look so obviously you got to take off the
28:23
Speaker 1: diaper and go the, face time and right as they're,
28:26
Speaker 1: face timing. He unleashes and anyone knows this about, young
28:30
Speaker 1: children they're not taking. Hard poops they are. Taking waterfalls
28:35
Speaker 1: and if he's at the, right angle a, little tipped
28:37
Speaker 1: that waterfall. Will shoot and, she says right as they
28:42
Speaker 1: point to go for the checkup for this guy who
28:45
Speaker 1: knows where he is some other town Whatever, in arizona
28:49
Speaker 1: it just explodes and they all have to like jump
28:53
Speaker 1: out of. The way and as we like to call
28:56
Speaker 1: it in, this house he did a JACKETTECK And i,
29:00
Speaker 1: i'm very very SAD that i missed. That moment his
29:03
Speaker 1: first face time came with a gigantic shit that he
29:06
Speaker 1: fired right at. The phone and it turns out the, doc,
29:08
Speaker 1: st yeah it looks, completely fine and now a, week
29:10
Speaker 1: later he looks like he's got a. Normal penis One
29:13
Speaker 1: day i'll listen to this and, Be, like dad why
29:15
Speaker 1: are you talking? About that but it is what. IT
29:17
Speaker 1: is i found out from some Of my. Jewish buddies
29:19
Speaker 1: they do like. A ceremony we just sent them off
29:22
Speaker 1: and get that thing snipped about, a WEEKEND which i
29:24
Speaker 1: think they said we had heard that it's it's better
29:27
Speaker 1: to do it like a. WEEK later I think i
29:29
Speaker 1: just got snipped inside. The hospital MIGHT, be tmi but
29:33
Speaker 1: is what. It is but you just, never know, you
29:36
Speaker 1: know you just. Never know you put that, diaper down
29:39
Speaker 1: it's free game to come out any hole and it
29:42
Speaker 1: could go, High too so you got kind of gotta
29:44
Speaker 1: keep your head out of. The side you got to
29:47
Speaker 1: keep a diaper or something ready to to kind of
29:50
Speaker 1: protect yourself like. A shield and that young doctor or
29:54
Speaker 1: nurse or whoever she was that was Helping out maria
29:56
Speaker 1: didn't know what, was Coming and, jack Fired and, Jack,
30:00
Speaker 1: one okay let's do the Mailbag At. John Middlecoff At
30:16
Speaker 1: john middlecoff Is the instagram fire in, those dms get
30:21
Speaker 1: your questions answered here on this little. Old podcast It's.
30:24
Speaker 1: On netflix let's Start, with jesse big fan of. The
30:28
Speaker 1: show i'm wondering if you have any insight on what
30:32
Speaker 1: it is about football that makes nepotism work, so well especially.
30:37
Speaker 1: In coaching in, most industries nepotism seems to bring down
30:41
Speaker 1: the overall level. Of excellence but it, seems like especially
30:45
Speaker 1: in the offensive side of, the ball there are so
30:47
Speaker 1: many sons of great coaches who are doing extremely high.
30:50
Speaker 1: Level work curious what. You think i've actually thought a lot.
30:55
Speaker 1: About this and let's use the example of YOU and
31:00
Speaker 1: i own a company and that company is. Wildly successful
31:04
Speaker 1: let's say it makes one hundred million dollars. A year
31:07
Speaker 1: we just have a cash cow and, we're doing, you
31:10
Speaker 1: know high percentage of a, net profit like life. Is
31:14
Speaker 1: good we're both sixty, years old and our kids are
31:18
Speaker 1: in their mid to, late twenties and we're gonna make
31:21
Speaker 1: those guys partners and they're gonna. Run. It well let's
31:25
Speaker 1: say that one, of them if not both, of them
31:28
Speaker 1: don't really care about. The business they've obviously grown up,
31:31
Speaker 1: pretty well. Pretty rich maybe YOU and i did not
31:35
Speaker 1: that those guys can just kind of come into. The
31:38
Speaker 1: company let's say the company is. Self sustaining they don't
31:41
Speaker 1: have to. Do much our clientele is already. Well established
31:44
Speaker 1: it's already a train rolling down. The tracks that those
31:50
Speaker 1: guys can can screw, things up right, if anything just
31:56
Speaker 1: stay out of. The way but if you put those
31:58
Speaker 1: guys in, management positions then they have to deal. With
32:01
Speaker 1: people those people might not respect, those individuals and those
32:04
Speaker 1: guys could throw off the vibes the business and ruin.
32:08
Speaker 1: The company it happens all over. The place that might
32:12
Speaker 1: be the, best example but clearly people in any industry
32:17
Speaker 1: that are just given a job quote, unquote nepotism or
32:20
Speaker 1: given the opportunity because of, a name because of a.
32:24
Speaker 1: Family Member if i'm just doing it, because like well
32:28
Speaker 1: my dad did it or my uncle did it, or
32:31
Speaker 1: WHATEVER but i don't really care. About it, but hey
32:34
Speaker 1: it's just gonna make a lot more money doing THIS
32:36
Speaker 1: than i would any. Other job probably not in it
32:39
Speaker 1: for the, right reasons and that's usually where, the problems, you.
32:44
Speaker 1: Know arise we're. In coaching Let's Use kyle shanner as.
32:48
Speaker 1: An example, his dad, legendary coach probably should be In
32:50
Speaker 1: the hall Of fam his first job in coaching Is With,
32:54
Speaker 1: john gruden who actually sean McVay Replaced kyle shanahan or
32:59
Speaker 1: might have came a year you're might might have been
33:01
Speaker 1: the guy replaced the guy Who. Replaced kyle once you
33:05
Speaker 1: go Work For, john gruden who is getting to the
33:08
Speaker 1: office every day around three point thirty, four am you
33:11
Speaker 1: are the lowest guy in the. Totem pole and if
33:13
Speaker 1: you are in, that position. Your job he's the. Offensive
33:16
Speaker 1: coordinator you are basically his. Personal assistant do you think
33:20
Speaker 1: that guy gives one flying you know what who your,
33:25
Speaker 1: dad was what your, name is or like what your.
33:28
Speaker 1: Problems are and here's the, other thing especially early on in,
33:32
Speaker 1: your career none of the other coaches really. Do either
33:35
Speaker 1: so you kind of got to prove yourself to those
33:38
Speaker 1: guys or else you're just not gonna. Make it and
33:40
Speaker 1: the hours if you don't, like coaching LIKE if i
33:44
Speaker 1: don't like using that example of a, different business if
33:49
Speaker 1: the business, IS operating i don't even need to. SHOW
33:50
Speaker 1: up i just go on vacations all. THE time i can.
33:52
Speaker 1: Dick off you can't just not show up from the
33:56
Speaker 1: start of training camp through the end of, the season
33:59
Speaker 1: and it's every bleeping day. Early late you are just
34:05
Speaker 1: there so you can half ass it maybe for, a
34:08
Speaker 1: season but you couldn't do it for, many seasons and
34:11
Speaker 1: you couldn't earn your way up working for people who
34:14
Speaker 1: are not, your Father, the Kubiaks. The shanahan these guys
34:18
Speaker 1: their careers started not working for. Their father so once
34:22
Speaker 1: you start working your, way up those guys have to.
34:24
Speaker 1: Respect you and then once you become a, position coach
34:29
Speaker 1: you then go into a room where the head coach
34:32
Speaker 1: and the coordinator are, not present so. It's you let's
34:35
Speaker 1: Say you're kyle and you're the wide. Receiver Coach you're
34:37
Speaker 1: sean McVay and you're the tight, End Coach You're clint
34:39
Speaker 1: kubiak and you're the running. Back coach it's just you,
34:43
Speaker 1: and however many of the players For from august till
34:48
Speaker 1: hopefully middle To, late january and you have to earn.
34:53
Speaker 1: Their respect do you think they give one flying you
34:56
Speaker 1: know what who your, dad is especially when your dad
34:59
Speaker 1: is not on. That staff the answer. Is no so
35:04
Speaker 1: you can't you. Can't hide you will. Get exposed you
35:08
Speaker 1: either have, the knowledge you either have the willingness to
35:10
Speaker 1: connect with, these guys or you. DO not i actually
35:14
Speaker 1: think it is a massive Advantage because Shanahan. Or kubiak
35:19
Speaker 1: when they, are kids they understand what coaching is in
35:26
Speaker 1: terms of. The hours why because when they're in junior
35:29
Speaker 1: high and, high school their dads are. Not home so
35:31
Speaker 1: if they aspire to get into, that industry they understand
35:35
Speaker 1: the hours that come along. With, It right they're not
35:38
Speaker 1: getting into. IT blind i think sometimes players have a
35:42
Speaker 1: false sense of how much you have to stay in,
35:44
Speaker 1: the office and the more they dig, into it, THEY'RE
35:47
Speaker 1: likeyeah i don't want to coach where if you are
35:49
Speaker 1: some of these, guys' sons you, Go listen i'm gonna.
35:52
Speaker 1: Do this i'm going to be gone for a long period,
35:54
Speaker 1: of time for five six months, a year, my family,
35:58
Speaker 1: my wife my. Young children You saw mike McDonald like
36:01
Speaker 1: he sees His baby jack thirty minutes to an hour.
36:05
Speaker 1: A week i think he's making that up a little
36:08
Speaker 1: Bit because friday is like a half Day and saturday
36:10
Speaker 1: if they're, at home he's from home most of. The
36:12
Speaker 1: day but his Point was monday Up, UNTIL thursday i
36:15
Speaker 1: see my kid thirty to. An hour and he. Wasn't
36:18
Speaker 1: bragging he's just saying this is this is, the gig
36:21
Speaker 1: and whether we agree or disagree with the the allocation. Of,
36:27
Speaker 1: time right we, could disagree, trust me but it is what.
36:32
Speaker 1: It is that's what those. Guys DO so i think
36:35
Speaker 1: for these Young guys Kubiaks, AND shanahans i mean mcveigh's
36:38
Speaker 1: grandpa WAS the gm Of The bill wollh forty. Nine
36:41
Speaker 1: ers but once you're, in it you can't. Fake it
36:45
Speaker 1: you can't fake it with the coaches you're, working around
36:47
Speaker 1: and you definitely can't fake it for the players because
36:49
Speaker 1: they simply do not give. A shit so for you to,
36:52
Speaker 1: be good you kind of just gotta. Be good there's.
36:56
Speaker 1: No well and we've seen stories come out About Like pete,
36:58
Speaker 1: carroll's kid which is kind, of beat but that's more
37:01
Speaker 1: of a Reflection. Of, pete like the Only Guy pete
37:04
Speaker 1: carroll's kid works For. Is pete when you look, at,
37:07
Speaker 1: McVeigh like he's worked For, the, grudens right he's worked For.
37:10
Speaker 1: The shanahans you Look, at kyle he Worked For gary
37:12
Speaker 1: kubiak and he worked for, his dad and then he
37:15
Speaker 1: Worked For mike Petton And, dan quinn so He And john,
37:18
Speaker 1: grude like so you work for other people that don't
37:21
Speaker 1: necessarily have a connection or aren't, a relative and once
37:25
Speaker 1: you're in, that environment whether it's you know me, Or,
37:29
Speaker 1: him like we're kind of on our own to figure,
37:32
Speaker 1: it out and you're either going to be good or
37:34
Speaker 1: not good. At IT and i think most of, those
37:36
Speaker 1: guys their passion, for football like is is probably. Pretty
37:44
Speaker 1: ELITE and i don't mean like me and you just
37:47
Speaker 1: being a huge fan watching. THE games i mean, they
37:50
Speaker 1: eat breathe and. Sleep it it's honestly. Not healthy and
37:53
Speaker 1: most coaches are whether your dad was a coach or
37:55
Speaker 1: Whether you're mike McDonald and you were a, finance major
37:58
Speaker 1: you just. Wanted in you are an addict and football
38:01
Speaker 1: is the crack and they can't get enough. Of it
38:05
Speaker 1: and luckily, with football you know you. Can't overdose well
38:08
Speaker 1: you kind, of can you can. Burn OUT but i
38:10
Speaker 1: just think that no matter who. You are You Know,
38:13
Speaker 1: arthur smith we can debate how good of an offensive.
38:16
Speaker 1: Coordinator was he was good for those couple of Years,
38:18
Speaker 1: with Vrabel With. Derrick henry his dad was worth billions.
38:22
Speaker 1: Of dollars he did not need to be, doing this
38:25
Speaker 1: and now He's At, ohio state but he he clearly
38:28
Speaker 1: likes the grind, of football and he played in college
38:30
Speaker 1: and football means a lot, to him and he's willing
38:33
Speaker 1: to put in the hours because it's not you can't.
38:37
Speaker 1: Half ASSET and i think we all know or worked
38:39
Speaker 1: for people that had, an inn whether it be a. Family,
38:42
Speaker 1: member however, it's like this guy's, a fraud this guy's.
38:45
Speaker 1: A phony it's hard to be a good coach IN
38:48
Speaker 1: the nfl and be a fraud or. A phony it's.
38:50
Speaker 1: Actually impossible it, really is because of the energy it
38:54
Speaker 1: takes of putting in from a film standpoint and a
38:59
Speaker 1: game plan, schematic standpoint and then to the connection with,
39:03
Speaker 1: your players because if you don't connect with, your players
39:06
Speaker 1: you'll get especially in this day, and age you'll not
39:09
Speaker 1: only get exposure'll get run out of. The LEAGUE and
39:12
Speaker 1: i think that's happened to a lot of guys that
39:14
Speaker 1: just don't care, about that and it's. Not POSSIBLE and
39:17
Speaker 1: i think a lot of those guys, are very very
39:20
Speaker 1: comfortable around, football PLAYERS and i think that's a. Huge advantage.
39:25
Speaker 1: YOU know I Saw kyle shannan say on the broadcast
39:27
Speaker 1: yesterday he'd been In Nine. Super bowls, i'm like doing,
39:30
Speaker 1: The math, i'm like your dad, won two you've been.
39:33
Speaker 1: To three isn't, that five but he went to a
39:36
Speaker 1: ton as an assistant coach With The denver broncos that
39:39
Speaker 1: he lost a bunch. OF them i, WAS like i didn't.
39:42
Speaker 1: Realize THAT and i think part of it is once you,
39:46
Speaker 1: see that, you go this Is all i've ever wanted.
39:47
Speaker 1: To do and there might be some psychological thing of
39:51
Speaker 1: trying to prove to your, dad regardless like you become
39:55
Speaker 1: really really good, at it and your knowledge and understanding
39:57
Speaker 1: of it is. Pretty special reading a book something about
40:03
Speaker 1: it might have Been a. Belichick Book and Belichick And
40:07
Speaker 1: mike shanahan were very. Good friends even though they competed
40:10
Speaker 1: against each other right IN the afc and had played
40:13
Speaker 1: a lot of playoff games like, they were they both
40:16
Speaker 1: were CLOSE and i Don't Think mike shanahan was friendly
40:19
Speaker 1: with that. Many people but there was this one scene
40:21
Speaker 1: after like a. PLAYOFF game i Think the broncos Beat.
40:25
Speaker 1: The patriots it would have been the earlier mid, two
40:27
Speaker 1: THOUSANDS or i guess it might have been. THE nineties
40:31
Speaker 1: i forget the. Exact game belichick might have been an,
40:33
Speaker 1: assistant coach but they were talking to his Office and
40:35
Speaker 1: kyle was in his Office and mike looked at him And,
40:38
Speaker 1: said kyle get the hell out. Of Here and kyle
40:40
Speaker 1: was like a high. School KID so i think part
40:43
Speaker 1: of it is proximity to greatness does not equal that
40:48
Speaker 1: you're going to, be great but it does have a
40:50
Speaker 1: huge advantage when you're a young kid in that mould
40:53
Speaker 1: you're thinking and, those guys let's Use the kubiaks And
40:56
Speaker 1: the shanahans like their dad's kind of know what they're
40:59
Speaker 1: doing and that they've mastered. Their offense it's just like
41:03
Speaker 1: some people in certain industries that are born into a
41:06
Speaker 1: business are good right because they're passionate. ABOUT it i
41:10
Speaker 1: think where you get exposed is when you're not passionate
41:14
Speaker 1: about it and you're just doing it because this is a,
41:16
Speaker 1: family business, it's money and you don't give. A shit
41:18
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna work. Long term it will be my
41:22
Speaker 1: take as a. Confetti settles the name TRENDING on x
41:28
Speaker 1: Has Been. Bo knicks it has become The great what
41:32
Speaker 1: If if nicks doesn't break his ankle or the refs
41:36
Speaker 1: call that egregious hold in the end zone Against the
41:38
Speaker 1: bills to end? The Game early nicks is In The
41:40
Speaker 1: super bowl with a more, aggressive defense who Could force doronoald.
41:43
Speaker 1: Into mistakes quarterback is more battle Tested. Than may he
41:46
Speaker 1: has been a better playoff performer as THE best o line,
41:48
Speaker 1: in Football and bo loves the type of money Game that.
41:50
Speaker 1: Seahawks play all the thinking heads know That, with Bo
41:54
Speaker 1: the broncos are In The super bowl and would be
41:56
Speaker 1: looking at a win with how the style of game.
41:58
Speaker 1: Played out is that now the greatest what if in?
42:02
Speaker 1: LEAGUE history i can't go. THAT far i to. Think,
42:05
Speaker 1: that listen do you Think, bow knicks who had a
42:09
Speaker 1: very up and down season would just Go to levi's
42:13
Speaker 1: and excel against? THAT defense. I can't i can't go
42:17
Speaker 1: That for Would the broncos with a Healthy bow knicks
42:20
Speaker 1: have been a better? Team one Are the broncos healthy
42:23
Speaker 1: With bow knicks a better team Than that? Patriots? Team yes.
42:25
Speaker 1: They ARE do i think If the bills would have
42:28
Speaker 1: Beat the broncos and Played the patriots IN The Afc,
42:30
Speaker 1: championship GAME do i Think the bills would? HAVE won?
42:32
Speaker 1: I do? I, Mean Clearly drake may was injured and
42:36
Speaker 1: he did not play very well in, the PLAYOFFS so
42:38
Speaker 1: i think it's fair to say That the bills In
42:42
Speaker 1: the broncos the winner of that game should have been
42:45
Speaker 1: in the In The, super Bowl But josh allen missed
42:49
Speaker 1: a throw late in the game And bow knicks broke
42:51
Speaker 1: his ankle and It, broke patriots and then we had
42:53
Speaker 1: to Witness the patriots get. Curb Stomped but i'm not
42:58
Speaker 1: confident to know what If bo nix, IS there i
43:04
Speaker 1: Would imagine seattle still would have. Been favored would be.
43:06
Speaker 1: My guess everyone is gonna say it was a situation.
43:11
Speaker 1: Around him he couldn't. Do Anything But drake may has
43:13
Speaker 1: had one of the worst playoff. Runs ever he was
43:16
Speaker 1: missing wide open throws. Last night everyone in the media
43:18
Speaker 1: tells me they would pick him number one for the next.
43:21
Speaker 1: Ten years to, BE honest i Would Pick, Sam Darnold,
43:24
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams jordan love and many more. Over him there
43:27
Speaker 1: isn't his playoffs. FOR bad I think i heard something.
43:30
Speaker 1: Seven turnovers if it's, the shoulder he was. Not good
43:35
Speaker 1: he was, not GOOD like i Told, to colin LESS
43:38
Speaker 1: like I told colin. Last night he's never been in.
43:42
Speaker 1: These moments this is not a guy that Played at
43:45
Speaker 1: Alabama Or. Ohio state he Played At. North CAROLINA the
43:50
Speaker 1: acc is Terrible In north carolina is. Not good so
43:55
Speaker 1: in last year his rookie season was like one of
43:59
Speaker 1: the most embarrassing season For the patriots in league in
44:01
Speaker 1: the history of. Their franchise so it's like this was
44:05
Speaker 1: a big like welcome to. The league and let's. FACE
44:07
Speaker 1: it i mean when he based on the schedule was
44:09
Speaker 1: Play two, bills games Play two, bills games and one
44:11
Speaker 1: of them he kind of self combusted at. The end
44:14
Speaker 1: I'm A drake. May guy the same Thing. WITH herbert
44:17
Speaker 1: i don't just jump off. The bandwagon playoffs. Are hard
44:20
Speaker 1: i'm old enough. TO remember I loved i Was A
44:22
Speaker 1: peyton manning FAN before I Like. TOM brady i wrote
44:25
Speaker 1: It For peyton Manning Against tom BRADY when i was
44:26
Speaker 1: in high school, in college and that's like two thousand
44:29
Speaker 1: to two thousand and Seven till peyton won is For A.
44:31
Speaker 1: Super bowl peyton used to shit the bed. In playoffs he.
44:35
Speaker 1: Was terrible belichick And the patriots. Owned him he. Was
44:39
Speaker 1: horrendous so, it's like you can have, bad games does
44:44
Speaker 1: anyone Act Like peyton manning couldn't get it done in the? Big,
44:46
Speaker 1: Games no so he's twenty three, Years old he's got
44:50
Speaker 1: a long. Career, ahead yeah it. Was ugly there's no
44:54
Speaker 1: way to, PUT it i hope you Enjoyed The. Super
44:56
Speaker 1: bowl just looking ahead the next season, free agency do,
44:59
Speaker 1: you think in Light the niners injuries, And Openings kyle
45:03
Speaker 1: Pitts And joey bosa would be. Good additions pitts may
45:05
Speaker 1: cost some money but effectively play wide receiver and. Tight
45:09
Speaker 1: end bear in Mind at yuke is off and we're
45:12
Speaker 1: not SURE About jj bosa could sign on a short.
45:15
Speaker 1: TERM contract I Think juwan jenning's. PROBABLY gone i think
45:21
Speaker 1: someone you know wide receivers like him that are productive
45:26
Speaker 1: either you know he saw several, Years Ago. Christian kirk
45:28
Speaker 1: remember he got a. Huge contract he's a different. Type
45:31
Speaker 1: player but when you're a productive player and you've been
45:33
Speaker 1: a winning player and you have, certain skills One Thing.
45:36
Speaker 1: Juwan jennings winning teams are gonna like he's. Fucking nuts,
45:40
Speaker 1: He blocks he kind of like he's a. CRAZY competitor
45:45
Speaker 1: i think good teams are gonna Really Value. Juwan JENNINGS
45:48
Speaker 1: so i think there's a decent chance he's. Not there
45:51
Speaker 1: you Know the. BOSA thing i would probably get out
45:54
Speaker 1: of the business of paying ten to fifteen million one
45:57
Speaker 1: year deals for players that. Are older they kind of
46:01
Speaker 1: missed their window last year would have been, the window
46:03
Speaker 1: and you know. They couldn't they couldn't. LAND them i
46:06
Speaker 1: would Say On, KYLE pitts i haven't really dove into
46:10
Speaker 1: free agency in terms, of money but there are gonna be.
46:15
Speaker 1: Some teams the cap went up with an enormous amount of,
46:17
Speaker 1: cap SPACE and i think whatever, you Imagine the niners
46:23
Speaker 1: would be willing. To pay like he's had one good
46:26
Speaker 1: season and he did. LOOK good i mean at times
46:28
Speaker 1: this year, you're, like Damn That's. KYLE pits, i remember
46:31
Speaker 1: in free agency there is no, bargain shopping and with
46:36
Speaker 1: Guys Like, kyle pitts he's gonna get overpaid and overpaid
46:41
Speaker 1: relative to like his career. So, far now maybe he's,
46:43
Speaker 1: turned around maybe becomes a, great player but, whatever contract
46:47
Speaker 1: people are gonna, be. Like damn that's what happens in
46:50
Speaker 1: free agency because there's, people bidding and these teams with
46:57
Speaker 1: cap space are just willing to. SPEND money i don't
47:00
Speaker 1: want to say like a. Drunken, sailor SAILOR but i can't.
47:05
Speaker 1: Even speak i'd be a little stunned if they end
47:10
Speaker 1: Up With kyle PITS because i think it's gonna, be really.
47:13
Speaker 1: Really expensive just a thought in your Take On tom
47:19
Speaker 1: brady not having a dog in. The fight what if
47:22
Speaker 1: he's a psycho winner and doesn't have doesn't want his
47:26
Speaker 1: old team to win A super bowl. Without him, you
47:29
Speaker 1: know he kind. Of backtracked he posted Something on Instagram About.
47:32
Speaker 1: ROBERT craft i do understand the guy that he just
47:38
Speaker 1: hired is going to be the coach Of. The raiders
47:40
Speaker 1: he is Coaching. FOR seattle i do think it's pretty,
47:43
Speaker 1: easy though to Be Like robert craft's like a father.
47:46
Speaker 1: To me I've Known mike VRABEL since i was. A rookie,
47:50
Speaker 1: you know he's a close personal friend. Of mine, of
47:53
Speaker 1: course like my allegiance to the franchise that Made me
47:56
Speaker 1: I'm A clint kobiak fan. AS well i think think
48:00
Speaker 1: he could have played it politically BETTER than i got
48:04
Speaker 1: no dog in, the FIGHT and i think he kind of,
48:05
Speaker 1: Regretted THAT and i think it's why a lot Of
48:07
Speaker 1: former patriots, are like, come, on bro, come on that's
48:10
Speaker 1: that's kind. Of absurd but maybe, he doesn't like, they
48:16
Speaker 1: did say we don't want, you back and maybe he
48:18
Speaker 1: holds that against kind of the franchise because even if
48:22
Speaker 1: they would, have won what does that really Diminish. FOR
48:24
Speaker 1: tom i don't necessarily think it diminishes, for HIM but
48:27
Speaker 1: i also think, it's like WHY would i root for?
48:29
Speaker 1: You guys LAST team i played For. WASN'T florida i
48:32
Speaker 1: didn't move Back. TO boston i. Stayed, here now part of,
48:37
Speaker 1: that Is as, belichick said tax. Of chooses, You know
48:40
Speaker 1: florida is a little easier on his thirty seven million
48:42
Speaker 1: dollars A year. Fox job, But, REGARDLESS yeah, I mean
48:49
Speaker 1: i think there are a lot of. Variables THERE but
48:52
Speaker 1: i do understand the, fans like oh, my god especially
48:57
Speaker 1: because which is. Definitely fair Patriots and tom have been,
49:01
Speaker 1: some controversies and that fan base got. His back they
49:05
Speaker 1: went to the mat for. THE guy i mean they
49:08
Speaker 1: they were extremely loyal to, that, Individual right and then
49:12
Speaker 1: it feels like you just forget about we didn't kick, You,
49:15
Speaker 1: Out bill did We? Fired bill? Come? ON man i
49:19
Speaker 1: Think the vrabel. Thing too, it's like that's like one
49:21
Speaker 1: of your, best friends, you know you weren't rooting. For
49:24
Speaker 1: Him maybe tom wasn't from the oil Fields, Of. Midland Texas, Land.
49:32
Speaker 1: MAN baby i Thought land man this season. WAS terrible
49:37
Speaker 1: i thought it was, really boring even If the raiders
49:40
Speaker 1: Reboot with kobiak In draft mendoza And trade crosby for players.
49:48
Speaker 1: And picks do they have a chance to compete in
49:50
Speaker 1: two or? Three years division is Loaded With andy Peyton.
49:53
Speaker 1: And harbaugh is it just the wrong place and the.
49:56
Speaker 1: Wrong time this IS what i Think hiring kubiak. Makes
50:01
Speaker 1: sense you have to have a, big picture kind of
50:04
Speaker 1: holistic view of building. This team you cannot have short
50:12
Speaker 1: term vision when undertaking. This offseason part Of taking mendoza,
50:19
Speaker 1: is like we want to be in position probably definitely
50:23
Speaker 1: be much improved by a second and third year when
50:25
Speaker 1: we can really take advantage of. His contract But the,
50:28
Speaker 1: CROSBY thing, i mean there's a lot of smoke. With.
50:30
Speaker 1: THAT someone I think lochinfoorah Wrote that Crosby, Told brady
50:36
Speaker 1: i'm done playing. For, You obviously glazier said that he's
50:39
Speaker 1: done With. The raiders schefter went. On McAfee they asked him.
50:43
Speaker 1: About it he kind of tiptoed. Around it but it
50:47
Speaker 1: Sounds like max is ready to, move ON and i
50:49
Speaker 1: think they can take advantage. OF it i think they
50:51
Speaker 1: can get two first round Picks From. Max, crosby now
50:53
Speaker 1: if you're trading With the bears Or the bills Or
50:57
Speaker 1: the patriots or one of. These teams these are picks
50:59
Speaker 1: in the twin of a draft that's not viewed. As
51:01
Speaker 1: GREAT so i think you kind, of, go now is
51:04
Speaker 1: it worth it two picks in? The twenties? You know
51:07
Speaker 1: thing with football you. Never know my guest is sitting here,
51:11
Speaker 1: right now is they kind of reset and? Trade them
51:14
Speaker 1: that would be, my guess because how many, more years,
51:18
Speaker 1: you know once you get to, round thirty are you
51:21
Speaker 1: going to be able to trade the guy for multiple first,
51:23
Speaker 1: round picks especially if you're not going to be winning? Next,
51:25
Speaker 1: Year right maybe you'll be better than you were, last,
51:28
Speaker 1: year hopefully but you're you're not competing for. The playoffs
51:31
Speaker 1: SO and I think, Crosby's, market hell it might get
51:34
Speaker 1: you two ones and. A two two ones to two
51:37
Speaker 1: in a player like you probably get you. A whole
51:42
Speaker 1: there's a Question about max. HUGE fan i was just
51:45
Speaker 1: wondering where you think the best landing spot Is. For
51:47
Speaker 1: crosby my first pick Would, be BUFFALO but i wanted
51:50
Speaker 1: to hear your take. ON it I think buffalo would be,
51:54
Speaker 1: heavily involved THOUGH their gm has shown kind of the
51:57
Speaker 1: opposite in terms of. A great i Would imagine seattle would,
52:03
Speaker 1: be very. Very aggressive they've already done a deal With The,
52:05
Speaker 1: geno Smith so Schneider and spytech have. WORKED together i
52:10
Speaker 1: would Say the bears would be a team to keep an.
52:12
Speaker 1: EYE on i would Say the eagles would be a
52:14
Speaker 1: team to keep an. Eye on the Forty nine ers would,
52:17
Speaker 1: be Interested But mark davis would never allow them to
52:20
Speaker 1: trade To. The niners rams have two first. Round picks
52:26
Speaker 1: could they be Involved? THE cowboys, I mean i think
52:30
Speaker 1: it's kind of the normal cast. Of characters WHO am
52:33
Speaker 1: i probably Missing? The patriots? YOU know i guess He
52:37
Speaker 1: likes verible. A lot they would never trade them To.
52:42
Speaker 1: The chiefs they would never trade them To. The Chargers
52:48
Speaker 1: the ravens that they're desperate for. Pass rush every season
53:05
Speaker 1: there seems to be a player where scouts and media
53:08
Speaker 1: say this guy was a steal in the, third round
53:11
Speaker 1: and more times, than not that player gets drafted in
53:13
Speaker 1: the third round and ends up being. A steal so
53:16
Speaker 1: as a former scout, like yourself you'll have a better
53:18
Speaker 1: insight as to why this. May happen i'm curious if
53:21
Speaker 1: most agree the player would be, a steal why doesn't he. Go,
53:24
Speaker 1: higher well the draft is an. Economic exercise so if
53:31
Speaker 1: you are, a, corner well let's use a wide receiver
53:35
Speaker 1: and you play at a smaller school and you run kind,
53:37
Speaker 1: Of slow yet EVERY time i, watch you you're the best
53:41
Speaker 1: player on the field when you run a four to six'
53:44
Speaker 1: one and you're only five eleven. Or, six feet historically
53:49
Speaker 1: guys that fit those criteria don't get drafted in. The.
53:52
Speaker 1: Top fifty right it's like the. Real estate market when
53:56
Speaker 1: you're looking. At a house what's the first? Thing? You do, comps,
54:00
Speaker 1: IT'S like well i want to sell this house for. A,
54:01
Speaker 1: million dollars well the three comps on this street the
54:05
Speaker 1: high is eight hundred and seventy. Five Thousand dollars so
54:08
Speaker 1: i'm not paying a million dollars. For that house so
54:11
Speaker 1: part of it is a market VALUE of what i
54:13
Speaker 1: have to pay for the player in terms of draft
54:15
Speaker 1: capital based on the metrics really matter that. They just
54:20
Speaker 1: do it's why a lot Of People went will campbell's
54:23
Speaker 1: arms are. Just too short i'm not, Fucking with that and, people,
54:27
Speaker 1: are like well he's, the best tackle, AND then look
54:28
Speaker 1: i mean a lot, OF people go i would never
54:30
Speaker 1: have taken. HIM that high i bet there's some PEOPLE
54:32
Speaker 1: that go i Would Have taken will camble in, the
54:34
Speaker 1: second round but they took, him forth overall and, that could,
54:39
Speaker 1: be you know analogous to like. THE housing analogy, i just,
54:43
Speaker 1: said you know the market value says eight to seventy
54:45
Speaker 1: Five and the patriots pay two point, five million dollars
54:48
Speaker 1: which could be, a disastrous investment right if he's just a.
54:52
Speaker 1: Below AVERAGE player so i think a lot of it
54:55
Speaker 1: has to do with a. Guy run slow character is,
54:59
Speaker 1: hard to. DETERMINE you know i think sometimes guys flip
55:02
Speaker 1: because character can simply be coaches kind of bad. Mouthing
55:06
Speaker 1: The guy and i'm not saying, it's not true but,
55:08
Speaker 1: like he know. He doesn't listen he's not. A great
55:10
Speaker 1: teammate he doesn't love football like you can be a.
55:13
Speaker 1: Great college player but if everyone in the, PROGRAM tells
55:17
Speaker 1: you i don't think he. REALLY likes football i think
55:20
Speaker 1: we have. A long history if you draft, guys like
55:22
Speaker 1: that they tend to. Let you down but you go
55:25
Speaker 1: get this guy was just like A Second. Team all
55:27
Speaker 1: american you got him in. THE third round i think
55:30
Speaker 1: it's very. Hit or miss but you look at a,
55:32
Speaker 1: lot of players You know who funk does A good
55:35
Speaker 1: example Broncos safety who funk is a, high end player
55:39
Speaker 1: but he ran. Slow in college he didn't really, have
55:42
Speaker 1: a position like was, he a safety was? He, a
55:44
Speaker 1: linebacker historically a lot of guys like that find themselves
55:48
Speaker 1: position list and not very good. In the league so
55:51
Speaker 1: HE goes and i think fifth or sixth round he's
55:54
Speaker 1: because he's been. AN all pro i. Mean he was
55:56
Speaker 1: every time You, watch the broncos. He's crushing people but
56:02
Speaker 1: he's a good example of, like the character the want,
56:04
Speaker 1: to the leadership like all those boxes he checks and
56:07
Speaker 1: he's got with good coaches. And HE'S excelled but i
56:11
Speaker 1: think the variables usually. Are are measurables you, either run
56:15
Speaker 1: slow you're, kind of shorter you, have small hands if,
56:19
Speaker 1: you're a quarterback you have poor testing because it's typically
56:24
Speaker 1: on a guy who was very, good in college, so
56:26
Speaker 1: he produced but then he does that testing because historically testing,
56:32
Speaker 1: Kind of matters like there aren't many guys that Are
56:35
Speaker 1: Gonna be pro bowlers running a four to seven, at
56:37
Speaker 1: wide receiver But There. Is keenan allen but if you
56:42
Speaker 1: make a Living On drafting, keenan allen types you're not
56:45
Speaker 1: Gonna Find. Many keenan allens there are some defensive linemen
56:50
Speaker 1: who are just six feet tall that are. Excellent pass
56:52
Speaker 1: rushers most of. Them ARE not so i think you've
56:56
Speaker 1: got to, balance it out and there's no right or
56:58
Speaker 1: wrong way. To do it it's why the valuing of
57:01
Speaker 1: the person. Matters so much are we drafting, the right
57:05
Speaker 1: guy because typically the guys get drafted high fit, the
57:10
Speaker 1: measurables right but, There's a difference like The guy the
57:13
Speaker 1: raiders took a couple, Of years Ago Wilson from texas
57:16
Speaker 1: tech fit all the measurables but can't play Dead in.
57:18
Speaker 1: The western Right And then Lucas LUCAS van s i think,
57:22
Speaker 1: is his name Never, started at iowa never, started in
57:26
Speaker 1: college but his measurables he. Was a freak so he
57:31
Speaker 1: fits the mold of the type guys that have had
57:33
Speaker 1: success that were drafted in. The first round but it's
57:36
Speaker 1: like this, guy never STARTED even though i think he
57:38
Speaker 1: actually kind of came on toward the end. Of this
57:39
Speaker 1: year it's just these are the type conversations. THAT are
57:43
Speaker 1: there a lot of these teams are in meetings right
57:45
Speaker 1: now and you're just having these conversations like. Coach OR whoever,
57:49
Speaker 1: MY gm is i. LOVE this guy i know he's,
57:51
Speaker 1: A little shorter i know he's. A little slower this.
57:54
Speaker 1: Guy's gonna play and the first thing that that guy
57:56
Speaker 1: at who's the COMP? In the nfl who does he?
57:59
Speaker 1: Remind you of? What type player can you use as
58:02
Speaker 1: an example that he that? He, plays like again, the
58:05
Speaker 1: comp thing like, in real estate is. ENORMOUS in football
58:09
Speaker 1: i remember my last. YEAR doing It I had robert
58:11
Speaker 1: woods and he's not as good, as THIS guy, but i,
58:14
Speaker 1: went you know there are Some Similarities. To reggie wayne
58:17
Speaker 1: that's the way. He's gonna play and but that's. The
58:21
Speaker 1: best case it's rare that you use, like you know some.
58:25
Speaker 1: Random slot receiver Usually Use. Like Julian edelman wes welker
58:29
Speaker 1: right that this guy Reminds Me. Of DeAndre hopkins you
58:33
Speaker 1: typically when you're when you're pounding the table, for a
58:36
Speaker 1: guy you use the high end comparison because easier to.
58:41
Speaker 1: Sell the room but that's why the draft is just it's.
58:45
Speaker 1: An economic exercise and even, IF you go i think
58:50
Speaker 1: this guy has a chance to be, an all pro
58:53
Speaker 1: if you know you can get that guy in, the
58:55
Speaker 1: third round you would never take that guy with, pick
58:58
Speaker 1: twenty eight because that's terrible value and you only, have so,
59:03
Speaker 1: many you know so much draft capital that you've got
59:06
Speaker 1: to be very careful the way. You utilize it congrats
59:13
Speaker 1: on the new Family in. The, netflix partnership recently You
59:15
Speaker 1: Mentioned that drake may could go one overall. In a
59:18
Speaker 1: redraft who would you take in? Your top five my
59:20
Speaker 1: first Thought, Jump, to caleb well if you're making, That
59:24
Speaker 1: argument today i'm gonna look, like, AN idiot, Right I
59:27
Speaker 1: mean drake may after the performance, in the playoffs it's just,
59:31
Speaker 1: something monitor like? Was he injured was it? The offensive
59:34
Speaker 1: line was? He Just overwhelmed because I'm A big, JUSTIN
59:37
Speaker 1: herbert guy i do believe that if you did a,
59:39
Speaker 1: Draft From scratch justin herbert would not make. It past
59:43
Speaker 1: five but people would go if you watch a guy playing,
59:45
Speaker 1: In The Playoffs but jalen hurts had a way better playoff.
59:49
Speaker 1: Games than guy but no one in the League Would
59:50
Speaker 1: take Jalen Hurts. Over JUSTIN herbert so i think give
59:53
Speaker 1: you factory to young quarterbacks. On Rookie contracts assuming, AIDEN
1:00:00
Speaker 1: is Healthy, I, think Drake caleb and jayden would all
1:00:03
Speaker 1: definitely go in. The, top five, Uh you know CJ's.
1:00:08
Speaker 1: AN interesting, ONE I mean i i don't feel that
1:00:12
Speaker 1: Comfortable with. WHAT i've witnessed i have a hard time
1:00:15
Speaker 1: with humans in any walk of life that don't embrace
1:00:21
Speaker 1: their strengths and. Understand their weaknesses it's one thing, As a, rookie,
1:00:26
Speaker 1: it's like okay like you've been in the league, Now,
1:00:27
Speaker 1: three years like why were you trying To Play? Like
1:00:30
Speaker 1: josh allen? What's? Going on man can can we can
1:00:34
Speaker 1: we Watch Them like? Alex smith tape like be the
1:00:37
Speaker 1: Better Version. Of alex smith there's nothing wrong with like, you'd,
1:00:41
Speaker 1: BE like no I Am. Fucking joe burrow. No you're
1:00:43
Speaker 1: not let's let's let's relax. A little bit. You Cost
1:00:47
Speaker 1: us kyle shannan said he like Cost Him. The super
1:00:49
Speaker 1: bowl he didn't, specifically say that, but, he said like
1:00:53
Speaker 1: there were two defenses that were good enough To Win
1:00:55
Speaker 1: a super bowl. On their Own it Was. Seattle, and
1:00:57
Speaker 1: houston basically if they're special teams in their, offense screwed
1:01:00
Speaker 1: up they could Have Won. The super bowl and the
1:01:01
Speaker 1: forty nine ers played. Both of them so HE'S. Essentially
1:01:03
Speaker 1: saying cj stroud Screwed Up their super bowl he ain't
1:01:06
Speaker 1: wrong because. HE did so i couldn't put him in
1:01:09
Speaker 1: the top five based on that playoff performances in, those,
1:01:14
Speaker 1: TWO games like i gotta have you played a. LITTLE
1:01:16
Speaker 1: under control. I don't know my mind's not firing on all.
1:01:22
Speaker 1: Pistons right now so who Was? JUST cam ward i.
1:01:24
Speaker 1: Couldn't Do that tyler shuck might. BE a sleeper A
1:01:29
Speaker 1: Lot of tyler shuck. Buzz right, now Uh hey hey,
1:01:37
Speaker 1: falcons fan here you gotta. Be kidding me pierce looked
1:01:40
Speaker 1: like a stud good enough to trading our. First round
1:01:42
Speaker 1: pick seemed worth it despite getting roasted. By the, media
1:01:46
Speaker 1: quotes you this has to Be the most. Falcons thing
1:01:49
Speaker 1: ever what? ARE your thoughts i talked. About it, yesterday
1:01:53
Speaker 1: you know when you draft these, character guys there it's
1:01:57
Speaker 1: a roller coaster and you can look like a genius
1:02:02
Speaker 1: for a period of time and it can end in
1:02:04
Speaker 1: the blink. Of a moment and that's what. IT feels
1:02:07
Speaker 1: like I don't pretend i ALWAYS say, Like i. LISTEN
1:02:11
Speaker 1: i'm not i don't GO to the nfl, for you
1:02:15
Speaker 1: know teaching. Me LIFE lessons so i don't give a
1:02:17
Speaker 1: Shit how the. FALCONS handle it i do not care it's,
1:02:20
Speaker 1: not my problem but it doesn't look good and it
1:02:24
Speaker 1: does look like their hands might be out, of their
1:02:26
Speaker 1: control might be into. The LEAGUE'S hand, so i mean
1:02:29
Speaker 1: you're facing five felonies and this, isn't LIKE alleged like
1:02:33
Speaker 1: i mean pretty sure this all this stuff, Happened on
1:02:35
Speaker 1: camera so. He in trouble but when you make a
1:02:41
Speaker 1: move like this for a person with, major red flags
1:02:44
Speaker 1: like no one to. Blame about yourself BUT who? Am
1:02:45
Speaker 1: i blaming, They fired everybody So it's Like raheem and
1:02:49
Speaker 1: terry font, now it's Like good Luck Ian and. MATTY
1:02:52
Speaker 1: ice sucks i mean he was by the end. Of
1:02:56
Speaker 1: the year i'd be the, first, to admit like you
1:02:58
Speaker 1: watch what was this twenty seven Coming off, the, ede's
1:03:00
Speaker 1: like goddamn this. Guy looks good guy? Was a monstral
1:03:04
Speaker 1: is anyone actually gonna put Some? Respect on seattle this
1:03:07
Speaker 1: past week on the build Up To the super bowl
1:03:10
Speaker 1: during the game has. BEEN absolutely embarrassing i don't want
1:03:16
Speaker 1: to tell. YOU who cares i think sometimes we worry
1:03:18
Speaker 1: about that stuff. Way too much It's like the patriots
1:03:22
Speaker 1: has been In So many super bowls that a lot
1:03:25
Speaker 1: of contingent of the media Is. From the northeast it
1:03:28
Speaker 1: just comes with the. Territory you won you've Won Your
1:03:30
Speaker 1: second super bowl. In a decade like you got a,
1:03:33
Speaker 1: star young Coach you Got, sam freaking donald STORY. Of the?
1:03:36
Speaker 1: Nfl who cares who? Talks, about you glowingly like? All
1:03:41
Speaker 1: that matters You Won. The super bowl question, For the
1:03:45
Speaker 1: mailbag i'm curious What specifically makes mike McDonald such a.
1:03:49
Speaker 1: Great defensive coordinator is, it the scheme the way he,
1:03:53
Speaker 1: calls the plays or. Both or neither thanks for. Taking
1:03:56
Speaker 1: my question it's. A good question i would say from,
1:04:01
Speaker 1: my vantage point it feels like his ability to manipulate
1:04:11
Speaker 1: the defense is like the what these coaches. Do on,
1:04:15
Speaker 1: offense you know it's. Like window Dressing It's, like kyle
1:04:19
Speaker 1: shanahan he runs, the same plays he does that out of.
1:04:21
Speaker 1: A Million formations andy reid's ability to scheme offense is just.
1:04:26
Speaker 1: Second to none. It's pretty rare Like defensive, guys flores Right,
1:04:33
Speaker 1: very aggressive blitzer He's great. At colin blitzes fangio doesn't run,
1:04:38
Speaker 1: an exotic scheme but knows it like the back. Of
1:04:40
Speaker 1: his hands when the players buy in the, best fundamental
1:04:44
Speaker 1: scheme everyone knows their job hard. To OPERATE against When
1:04:48
Speaker 1: i think, mike McDonald's like you got no? Clue what's?
1:04:50
Speaker 1: COMING got, none i mean. Yesterday he's blitzing i'm pretty
1:04:54
Speaker 1: sure they were in the bottom five and, blitzing this
1:04:56
Speaker 1: year like they didn't blitz and Then they got withers
1:05:00
Speaker 1: been coming off the Edge Like He's troy, paula malu
1:05:04
Speaker 1: like and he's like juking. Out offensive lineman they didn't.
1:05:07
Speaker 1: SEE that coming i think he or one of their
1:05:09
Speaker 1: guys said that there was a tip that they notice
1:05:13
Speaker 1: on film that they knew that. THEY could, EXPLOIT i
1:05:16
Speaker 1: Mean i think mike McDonald's. CLEARLY really smart i Think
1:05:21
Speaker 1: there's a belichickian. Angle to him belichick's greatest strength as
1:05:25
Speaker 1: a defensive coach is he didn't really, have a defense
1:05:30
Speaker 1: especially by. The twenty tens he would do whatever it
1:05:34
Speaker 1: took to beat you if he needed to have one
1:05:36
Speaker 1: defensive lineman or seven defensive lineman against. A certain Play
1:05:40
Speaker 1: most like fanjio does what he does and for, the
1:05:43
Speaker 1: most part when he, got good players. IT'S gonna work
1:05:46
Speaker 1: I feel like, MIKE McDonald's like i don't know. What
1:05:49
Speaker 1: coverage is mike McDonald, gonna Run Here, ask kyle, SHANNAN and,
1:05:53
Speaker 1: HE'SAY i fuck. I no clue i remember pretty saying
1:05:56
Speaker 1: after the games like we would get to the, line,
1:05:59
Speaker 1: and see okay this is, what they're running and then
1:06:01
Speaker 1: the ball would be snapped and they would do. Something
1:06:03
Speaker 1: completely different and because they have so much team speed
1:06:07
Speaker 1: and going Back, to the ravens all their, dbs can run.
1:06:11
Speaker 1: Cover and hit so when you, can do that you
1:06:15
Speaker 1: can manipulate stuff and really. THROW guys off i mean part, of,
1:06:18
Speaker 1: offensive Football right if i'm calling, a play whatever just
1:06:22
Speaker 1: some basic route concept, To The left i'm i'm schemed
1:06:27
Speaker 1: this PLAY up because i think your defense that you
1:06:30
Speaker 1: run on second and longs you tend to run, this
1:06:35
Speaker 1: SPECIFIC defense and i know this route concept. Against that
1:06:38
Speaker 1: defense this guy's gonna get open. In this area so
1:06:42
Speaker 1: we've practiced it. In the game we, get the look
1:06:45
Speaker 1: it's like this. Is gonna work we're gonna get a,
1:06:47
Speaker 1: first down here maybe we're in, the red zone we're. Gonna,
1:06:49
Speaker 1: get touchdown well if you show, me that look but
1:06:52
Speaker 1: then the coverage. Is completely different when the ball is
1:06:55
Speaker 1: snapped all, of a sudden my quarterback who's just kind
1:06:58
Speaker 1: of dead set on throwing that round out because we've
1:07:00
Speaker 1: got the. Look we wanted hits your guy in, the
1:07:04
Speaker 1: bread basket or your guy is in a position he
1:07:06
Speaker 1: didn't see and makes a PBu all, of a sudden the.
1:07:09
Speaker 1: Play doesn't work and that's what It, feels like mike
1:07:11
Speaker 1: with versatile defensive backs can really. Manipulate the secondary and
1:07:16
Speaker 1: clearly He has, a you know you either have defensive
1:07:19
Speaker 1: lineman they can beat guys, one on one. Or You
1:07:21
Speaker 1: don't like I'm not giving mike that much Credit For
1:07:24
Speaker 1: like Leonard williams or hall or some of. Their, DEFENSIVE lawrence,
1:07:28
Speaker 1: right i mean you either got he'd be the first,
1:07:30
Speaker 1: to TELL You like i matabuque when, he Was there
1:07:33
Speaker 1: Or kyle van. Noy, or whoever like you either got
1:07:35
Speaker 1: good front guys. Or you don't but, Your back seven
1:07:38
Speaker 1: can your linebackers? Run and cover can all your dbs
1:07:43
Speaker 1: be versatile and play different positions and, His guys can't
1:07:47
Speaker 1: so then he. Can play chess and that's what it feels,
1:07:50
Speaker 1: like he does is he throws curveballs that a lot
1:07:54
Speaker 1: of defensive. Coordinators Just don't if flores, Gets a lot,
1:07:57
Speaker 1: Flores does, this Flores like my flor's a Smart Guy like,
1:08:01
Speaker 1: Google flora's background like he's. An intelligent individual so a
1:08:05
Speaker 1: lot of times defense like let's, Beat Him Up, Like
1:08:09
Speaker 1: mike zimmer we're gonna BLITZ up, the a gap which
1:08:12
Speaker 1: is nothing. Wrong with that i'm. ALL for that i
1:08:15
Speaker 1: like a, good tough, guy but like can you be
1:08:18
Speaker 1: a tough guy who, is really intelligent because, if you
1:08:20
Speaker 1: are then You Become like, Seal teams six and that's
1:08:23
Speaker 1: what It feels Like mike and flores and some of.
1:08:27
Speaker 1: The top, Guys you know fangio just his defense is
1:08:30
Speaker 1: baby BUT like it's i don't want to, say IT'S
1:08:33
Speaker 1: vanilla but i don't think he's really known for throwing.
1:08:36
Speaker 1: THAT many curveballs i mean a lot of his defenses
1:08:38
Speaker 1: that have been really good have had like the best players.
1:08:40
Speaker 1: In The league and i'm pro vict fanjo don't, get
1:08:43
Speaker 1: ME wrong But i think mike is more like. An
1:08:47
Speaker 1: offensive Coach, same with floraes where you could put him
1:08:50
Speaker 1: with different personnel and they could. Figure it out where
1:08:53
Speaker 1: If you gave vic guys, that didn't fit it. Ain't
1:08:56
Speaker 1: gonna work and these, are to me the best defensive
1:08:59
Speaker 1: coordinators In The leagu so i'm never a big, fan
1:09:02
Speaker 1: of like this is. What we do it's what drives Me.
1:09:04
Speaker 1: Nuts about, shanahan it's, like, come on man what, you
1:09:07
Speaker 1: do works but we got to add some other, variables there,
1:09:09
Speaker 1: Too you know kevin. O'Connell and, mcpaih, it's like guys
1:09:13
Speaker 1: let's run the ball a. Little bit more let's not be.
1:09:15
Speaker 1: SO hardheaded here I feel like mike there's like what,
1:09:18
Speaker 1: does he do whatever needs, to BE done whatever i think,
1:09:21
Speaker 1: is gonna work and if, it doesn't work we'll. DO
1:09:23
Speaker 1: something different I think he's i don't THINK he's like
1:09:29
Speaker 1: i think he's the least tied to doing. One specific
1:09:32
Speaker 1: thing like if you, just gave him just pick some
1:09:36
Speaker 1: random player they didn't, NECESSARILY fit them i think he'd.
1:09:39
Speaker 1: MAKE it work i think that's like. His GREATEST skill
1:09:43
Speaker 1: and i think part of that might be his upbringing
1:09:45
Speaker 1: of like, being an undergrad not, playing in college kind
1:09:50
Speaker 1: of having a fresh set of, a fresh mind a fresh,
1:09:52
Speaker 1: set of eyes not being built as a player on,
1:09:56
Speaker 1: a certain scheme and then getting into it like he
1:09:58
Speaker 1: kind of came, in bright eyed bushy t. And OPEN
1:10:00
Speaker 1: minded and i think you Go, to the ravens who
1:10:03
Speaker 1: have a lot of versatile players he was able to kind.
1:10:05
Speaker 1: Of mess. AROUND you know i Was Talking to daniel
1:10:08
Speaker 1: jeremiah on the phone a couple, of weeks ago and
1:10:11
Speaker 1: we Were Talking about jesse minter and you Go Back,
1:10:13
Speaker 1: to wink martindale who have those guys, As young coaches
1:10:16
Speaker 1: and it's just when you're around, other talented people, especially
1:10:20
Speaker 1: young people you kind. Of PUSH yourself and i wonder
1:10:23
Speaker 1: if both those guys. Thrown different ideas it was almost
1:10:28
Speaker 1: like the Equivalent of what washington was With the la
1:10:31
Speaker 1: floor McVeigh And all the mike McDaniel and all those
1:10:33
Speaker 1: guys On offense in baltimore with the defensive side. Of
1:10:37
Speaker 1: the ball because it kind of, feels THAT way like
1:10:39
Speaker 1: I Would imagine jesse mentor has a lot Of similarities.
1:10:42
Speaker 1: As mike McDonald they just do. Whatever it takes AND
1:10:46
Speaker 1: that's a. Bellichicki in quality it's what made. Him so
1:10:49
Speaker 1: special it's like he could. Throw any pitch it's like
1:10:52
Speaker 1: some guys just. Throw ninety, eight, it's like well you
1:10:55
Speaker 1: used to throw it, down The Middle like aaron judge
1:10:57
Speaker 1: can time this and, Hit it OUT so again i.
1:10:59
Speaker 1: Throw ninety, eight, it's like boy do you have a
1:11:01
Speaker 1: do you. Have a curveball do you have an? Off,
1:11:02
Speaker 1: SPEED pitch NO i just i. Throw ninety eight that.
1:11:05
Speaker 1: Ain't gonna work some people will a lot of. Guys
1:11:08
Speaker 1: that will a lot of guys ain't gonna be able,
1:11:09
Speaker 1: to hit it especially if you. Can locate it that
1:11:11
Speaker 1: would be My Take On mike audie else see tomorrow
1:11:17
Speaker 1: the volume m hm