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Good Mustaches & Love Squares · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with our radio. I'm feeling spry today. I mean I'm
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Speaker 1: feeling real spries, so much better than the day after
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Speaker 1: Ashley and Jared's wedding. Big news, Uh, we got Danielle
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Speaker 1: and Easton in studio. They're gonna be joining me. Um,
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Speaker 1: We're all gonna be talking to Chicken Man about Jordan's
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Speaker 1: attitude of Paradise and uh if he thinks he was
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Speaker 1: in the right or wrong by fighting Christian. But before
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Speaker 1: we do that, big news and Bachelor Nation, Ashley I
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Speaker 1: Kennetti has now changed her name to Ashley Iken Nettie
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Speaker 1: Haven Big Big, It's official. We wondered, we didn't know,
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Speaker 1: and it has happened. Uh you know we uh we
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Speaker 1: love those two. We can't talk to Ashley more about
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Speaker 1: her amazing time in Newport. But today is about the
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Speaker 1: second episode of Bachelor in Paradise. This week it was
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Speaker 1: I would not say it was wild and crazy really
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Speaker 1: towards the very end. I want to get Danielle in
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Speaker 1: Easton's opinions. Danielle, if you could explain this episode in
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Speaker 1: in one or two words, what would it be? You
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Speaker 1: can even use four if you need Eastern, you go first. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I would describe this episode as um upsetting. Yeah, well
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Speaker 1: that's fair. You're sad. Let's make sad. It makes me
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Speaker 1: sad and it makes me frustrated. Um. There are parts
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Speaker 1: that made me happy, but mostly I felt sad. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I would describe it as love square because it's a
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Speaker 1: square between you get it, get it, Jordan's, Nicole, Clay
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Speaker 1: and Christian. It's a big old love square. We kind
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Speaker 1: of went away. It felt like this episode from the
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Speaker 1: Blake Hannah Dylan uh drama to now Nicole is kind
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Speaker 1: of the bachelorette in Paradise. Here's the rundown of last
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Speaker 1: night's episode, just to remind everybody that was watching. Dean
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Speaker 1: is the new member. He comes in with a mustache.
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Speaker 1: It was trending on Twitter Danielle mustache good or bad?
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Speaker 1: I loved it. I feel like I feel like he
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Speaker 1: his personality personality really shows with a mustache. Funny, yeah
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Speaker 1: it is. And we know Dean, well, he comes in,
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Speaker 1: he you know, talks down about himself. He you know,
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Speaker 1: he makes it sound like he has nothing going on
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Speaker 1: in life. He lives in a van, he doesn't have
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Speaker 1: a job, no ambition. Dean is has wonderlust, and I
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Speaker 1: think that's probably the best way to explain. Dean is
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Speaker 1: the guy just loves adventure, and I think all of
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Speaker 1: that that is his ambition is to adventure. Now, let's
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Speaker 1: say I love to travel. I don't think it's a
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Speaker 1: fair uh synopsis of what he's doing. That's like everybody
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Speaker 1: loves to travel at some level. It's he likes to adventure.
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Speaker 1: He likes to journey, and he's soaking that into The
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Speaker 1: mustache kind of adds to it. Here's something I'm a
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Speaker 1: little envious about. You both will know about this. I
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Speaker 1: grew a mustache, I don't know, a month two months ago.
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Speaker 1: No good reaction, zero positive reaction from it goes one.
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Speaker 1: Everybody loves it. I loved your mustache. I think we
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Speaker 1: need to bring it back. It's not true. It was
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Speaker 1: a joke. Nobody there was a classy mustache, and I've
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Speaker 1: had similar reactions when I have grown mustaches. Though Dean
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Speaker 1: has a really full one. That's that's I think one
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Speaker 1: of the differences, not the years isn't full Yours looks
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Speaker 1: like Clark Gable or something. If you look, I give
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Speaker 1: a classic movie star Dean looks like magnum p I.
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Speaker 1: We've had amazing response from our listeners when it comes
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Speaker 1: to Twitter and emails here recently on some of the
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Speaker 1: questions we've asked, which makes us so much more fun. Uh. So, listeners,
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Speaker 1: do me a favor. What makes a good mustache? I
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Speaker 1: get that it's gonna say fitting for the face and
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Speaker 1: fitting for the person, but what really separates that mustache
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Speaker 1: on on different men? I mean, we've had some really
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Speaker 1: famous mustaches um in our time as humans, and it
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Speaker 1: feels like Dean's was widely accepted and not widely rejected.
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Speaker 1: And I want to know why and what separates a
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Speaker 1: good mustache from a bad mustache on a good looking human.
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Speaker 1: So let us know. Email us as been an actually
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Speaker 1: at I heart media dot com or please hashtag us
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Speaker 1: on Twitter at almost Famous podcast. We read, we listen,
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Speaker 1: we like, and uh and I'll enjoy this conversation, all right, Um.
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Speaker 1: Big storyline of the episode, one that I think will
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Speaker 1: continue to be a big storyline. Tanner Toilbert actually came
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Speaker 1: out last night on Twitter and asked what the difference
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Speaker 1: was between this story and Jed story. The story is this,
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Speaker 1: DIMMI tells Derek. She was dating a girl back home
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Speaker 1: coming into the episode and still has feelings for this girl.
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Speaker 1: She explains herself as being sexually fluid um and as
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Speaker 1: a result, Derek has to decide if he's gonna stay
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Speaker 1: and pursue this relationship or not. Obviously, Derek is conflicted.
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Speaker 1: It's not easy for him. But Tanner comes out publicly
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Speaker 1: and asked a question, what is the difference? Twitter reacted
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Speaker 1: and said that the difference was that Jed was never truthful, truthful,
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Speaker 1: or purely honest with Hannah about his relationship back home,
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Speaker 1: that he hit it even up until the time that
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Speaker 1: they got engaged, and Demi came out and talked about
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Speaker 1: it in front of a long term commitment to Derek
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Speaker 1: Easton and Yale. Do you both agree? Is that the difference?
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think it's a little bit different.
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Speaker 1: At this point, Demi and Derek have known each other
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Speaker 1: for maybe a week, and she's just starting to realize
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Speaker 1: that this relationship is going a little somewhere, that she's
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Speaker 1: starting to develop real feelings for the guys, So she
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Speaker 1: she came clean, versus Jed hit his whole storyline until
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Speaker 1: he got outed. You know, there's a difference when he
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Speaker 1: had to come clean because somebody did it for him,
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Speaker 1: versus Demi's like, you know what, this is my situation
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to tell you. And also I don't
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Speaker 1: know and I don't know if this is accurate or not,
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Speaker 1: but I think that Demi had like she was seeing somebody,
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Speaker 1: like she didn't have like a girlfriend, and and Jed
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Speaker 1: was like fully in a relationship, like like this person
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Speaker 1: was like I am Jed's girlfriend, and now he's going
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Speaker 1: on this show for his music, versus Demi's like casually
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Speaker 1: seeing somebody and then she's going on this show to
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Speaker 1: casually see other people. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean
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Speaker 1: I think you're You're spot on, And that's really that really,
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Speaker 1: when we get down to it, that is the difference
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Speaker 1: in this. There's also something I disagree with Demi on,
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Speaker 1: but before I tell you about that, let's take a
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Speaker 1: break and talk about one of our sponsors. There's a
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Speaker 1: lot of open ended storylines right now. In Paradise. We
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Speaker 1: have Demi also talking about um how she has a
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Speaker 1: partner a girlfriend back home. It's something that we don't
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Speaker 1: know a ton about yet, but she has mentioned it,
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Speaker 1: and uh, It's gonna be interesting to see how this
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Speaker 1: plays out in the show. She obviously has a very
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Speaker 1: um interesting reallyship with Derek, something we've all been excited about.
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Speaker 1: One of the interesting parts about this season of the
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Speaker 1: Bachette or Bachelor in Paradise is that none of the
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Speaker 1: relationships are that serious yet. Now we're just a few
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Speaker 1: weeks in, but Derek and Demi are serious enough to
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Speaker 1: sniff each other's armpits, leading me to this question this
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Speaker 1: week's almost famous question. Please write us would you or
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Speaker 1: when do you get to the place in a relationship
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Speaker 1: where you're comfortable enough to smell somebody's armpits? And if
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Speaker 1: it smells horrid, is that a turn off to you?
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Speaker 1: Is it? Is it something that you dislike? Or if
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Speaker 1: it smells great, are you into it? Like what point
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Speaker 1: do you sniff somebody's farts to say that was a
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Speaker 1: good one or a bad one? Like? Is this a
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Speaker 1: thing now that we sniff each other? Ladies in the
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Speaker 1: Room and Easton included, do you sniff your your partner's armpits?
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Speaker 1: And if so, why and is it at any moment?
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Speaker 1: Is it? Is it hard to do? I love doing
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Speaker 1: it straight up? I love it do it for fun? Yes,
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Speaker 1: I do, because it's because it's a part of her
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Speaker 1: that I love. Um. I got to smell dean anglers
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Speaker 1: aren't pits fairly recently, and that was to see if
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Speaker 1: I could detect which one had deodorant and which one
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Speaker 1: did not, and that the difference was clear. But I
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Speaker 1: think it's really fine, aren't pit I'm okay with the farting.
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Speaker 1: I am not. It's a hard Now. Wait, so you're
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Speaker 1: good if somebody's massive bo, if you stick your nose
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Speaker 1: up anything like, that's not like a smell that you revolt. Well,
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Speaker 1: my husband doesn't really have that bo. So is it
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Speaker 1: that you like his bo? Maybe? Do you like it? Sure?
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Speaker 1: Like his? Yeah? Like his pheromones are something you're into.
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Speaker 1: What do you think would you? Would you sniff a
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Speaker 1: dude's arn't pits? That giggle? That giggle is so creepy
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Speaker 1: right now, that is not the giggle we need. When
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Speaker 1: I ask you when you sniff somebody's arm pits and
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Speaker 1: you I feel like you would, come on, tell the truth.
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Speaker 1: I'm really trying to. I just I haven't even thought
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Speaker 1: to be I don't as a girl perspective, being DEMI
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Speaker 1: I would never ask a guy if I smell, because
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Speaker 1: I'd be like, please think of me as a flower
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Speaker 1: and I smell delicious As a guy. If he does it,
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Speaker 1: I'd probably be like, uh, sure, it depends on what
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Speaker 1: date we're on, even dating, I can't do it if
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Speaker 1: it's like in the first few I was going to say,
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Speaker 1: once you passed, like the like the year mark, like
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Speaker 1: you yeah, yeah, I mean I don't mind, Like when
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Speaker 1: just can I go on long walks or runs? Like
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Speaker 1: we obviously both smell. I don't mind that. Um, but
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't know if I prefer.
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Speaker 1: But again, you're I just I don't mind her pheromones,
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Speaker 1: Like I don't mind how she smells as a human.
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Speaker 1: She smells good and you know you you enjoy, you're
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Speaker 1: attracted to similar sense. It's something to think about, something
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Speaker 1: to talk about. So the question of the day is
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Speaker 1: almost famous listeners. Is it weird? Is that odd? Is
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Speaker 1: it okay? What do you feel? What do you think?
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Speaker 1: What do you want to express about smelling your partner's
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Speaker 1: armpits at any point in the relationship. I don't even
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Speaker 1: want to put a timetable on any point in the relationship.
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Speaker 1: Do you do you have anything against that or is
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Speaker 1: that just something that partners do for partners. So here's
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Speaker 1: what's going on. Dimmi admits to Derek that she's dating
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Speaker 1: to go back home, that she is sexually fluid. I
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Speaker 1: am upset with Demmy about this for one reason and
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Speaker 1: one reason only. Dimmi explains that Katie that she's doing
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Speaker 1: all of this because because she's tired of being tough. Demmi, however,
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Speaker 1: I would argue that by her admitting this publicly, she's
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Speaker 1: actually becoming tougher, more confident, more vulnerable and honest than
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Speaker 1: anybody we've ever seen on this show. This is this
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Speaker 1: is groundbreaking for Bachelor USA. Massive and so I think
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Speaker 1: Demi and this feels weak because this is an admission
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Speaker 1: of something that we are not familiar with on the show.
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Speaker 1: She's probably a little nervous and fearful and scared, but
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Speaker 1: I heard being completely honest and vulnerable with the world.
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Speaker 1: Demmi is as tough as ever. Yeah. I think that's
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Speaker 1: what she That's what she meant. Instead of saying like
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Speaker 1: she's not being tough, Demi, I think she's saying she's
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Speaker 1: being vulnerable and we're seeing a whole different side of her.
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Speaker 1: We saw this feisty, um rambunctious girl when she was
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Speaker 1: on Um The Bachelor, and now we're seeing her in
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Speaker 1: a completely different light, totally bringing us into her inner
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Speaker 1: circle and being so vulnerable compoar these moments for you, guys,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been in these before your friends all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, I mean, how many times in life?
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Speaker 1: Doesn't happen often, but how many times in life have
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Speaker 1: your friends admitted something to you when you've known him
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Speaker 1: for a while. We've known Dimmi for a long time,
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Speaker 1: We've loved Mmi for a long time. We've laughed with Demmi,
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Speaker 1: We've been annoyed by Demmi. We we've lived with Dimmi
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Speaker 1: Dimmi for a long time in the show. But all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, a friend in any one of our
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Speaker 1: circles admits something that's unexpected that we don't see coming.
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Speaker 1: How much more does that bond us as humans so much?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've that's happened to me before. And then
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Speaker 1: when they finally tell you you're you just you get
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Speaker 1: a sense of relief for them, but you're also like, uh,
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Speaker 1: finally like you're being You're being you you know, and
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Speaker 1: that's like such a good, awesome feeling as a friend
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Speaker 1: to see you're one of your best friends really coming
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Speaker 1: to themselves. He said, I want to ask you, as
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Speaker 1: a non eligible husband at this point, um, but a
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Speaker 1: man who was a very eligible bachelor in his day,
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Speaker 1: if you're dating a girl and she admits something like
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Speaker 1: this to you, would you have a similar reaction to
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Speaker 1: what Derek had or would you be more thrown off
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Speaker 1: and kind of would really should be over? Oh? I
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Speaker 1: I have been in this situation and I reacted exactly
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Speaker 1: like Derek did. I um no, because that the thing
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Speaker 1: that um that I was that that comes to my
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Speaker 1: mind and I think there was president in Derek's mind
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Speaker 1: is Uh, this person is special and this person is
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Speaker 1: choosing to spend time with me and I and that's
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Speaker 1: something to be treasured. And uh, whoever this person is
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Speaker 1: is someone that I really like and and someone that
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Speaker 1: I support and whatever they do and and I just
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Speaker 1: want to be there for them and if they choose
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Speaker 1: to spend time with me, and that's that's something that
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Speaker 1: should be held very very special. It's not easy, though,
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Speaker 1: I mean really did handle this well, and I thought
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Speaker 1: for everything going on around him. I didn't think he
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Speaker 1: was doing it for television. I felt like in that
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Speaker 1: moment he was. He was in a situation where we
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Speaker 1: really liked the girl she was admitting this to him.
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Speaker 1: It was definitely hard to probably process initially. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be for anybody. But then when he finally
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Speaker 1: did start the process that he said, Hey, I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to give up on this yet. I still want
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Speaker 1: to see where this goes. Because Demmi, you're willing to
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Speaker 1: see where this goes. But let's not underestimate how big
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Speaker 1: of a moment this is in Bachelor history. This is
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Speaker 1: huge and uh we are excited here at the almost
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Speaker 1: in his podcast to see how this plays out and
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Speaker 1: to see what kind of conversation this sparks. Uh. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's one of the first times we've been confronted with
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Speaker 1: with this type of topic, and I want to hear
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Speaker 1: your thoughts again. Email us please have been natually I
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Speaker 1: almost famous podcast. UM. The email address is been n
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Speaker 1: Ashley at I heart media dot com. Alright, next topic, UM,
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Speaker 1: Kevin steps in this episode more than we've seen him yet.
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Speaker 1: He has a lot of comments about Blake, uh, especially
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Speaker 1: revolving around the hand of g situation. We don't hear
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Speaker 1: much from Dylan this episode. Dylan kind of stays quiet.
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Speaker 1: The Blake Hannah drama with Dylan does stay quiet for
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Speaker 1: the episode. I didn't hate that. I actually kind of
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Speaker 1: enjoyed it for everybody involved. You always seem like every
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Speaker 1: season you get the random guy in the corner of
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Speaker 1: the random girl in the corner adding in their opinion
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Speaker 1: on topics that they don't know much about. And I
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Speaker 1: felt like that's what Kevin was doing here. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: he doesn't really know these people, he hasn't been around
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Speaker 1: a lot, but yet he feels like it's his right
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Speaker 1: to express what he's feeling ng. I don't know at
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Speaker 1: this point when it comes to Blake, maybe I'm alone
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Speaker 1: in this, but it's became such a massive topic here
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Speaker 1: in the US and then also here in Paradise that
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Speaker 1: I wish people from the outside looking in would kind
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Speaker 1: of stop sharing their opinion. Um when it comes to
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Speaker 1: being on the beach, it feels like something Dylan, Hannah,
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Speaker 1: and Blake need to figure out on their own at
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Speaker 1: this point. If not, it's just going to become a cluster.
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Speaker 1: We saw that for example, and I think I'm saying
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Speaker 1: that because we see this when too many people get
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Speaker 1: involved in one thing, we see issues arise. And I
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Speaker 1: think that's what happened with the Christian Clay Nicole and
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Speaker 1: Jordan Scenaria. But before we get there, let's talk about this.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a break and talk about one of other
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Speaker 1: sponsors here. In a second, we're gonna bring on David Rees,
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Speaker 1: who was Chicken Man on his time during the Bachelorette,
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Speaker 1: and then we also saw him fight with Jordan's in Paradise,
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Speaker 1: and that's where you have him on the podcast day.
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Speaker 1: He's a frequent guest, but I really think he's going
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Speaker 1: to relate to what kind of triggers people when it
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Speaker 1: comes to Jordan's. However, before we bring David on, I
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Speaker 1: want to sit in this for a little bit. I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about a topic um that happens here
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Speaker 1: at Paradise all the time. We saw it with our
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Speaker 1: buddy Dean two years ago, we're seeing it with Dylan
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Speaker 1: this year. You're falling in love with a girl, you're
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Speaker 1: falling in love with a guy, and then you have
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Speaker 1: to watch these people kiss others on the beach in
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Speaker 1: front of you. It's it's hard it's hard to watch.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you it's harder to live out. I mean,
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Speaker 1: anybody here in studio please add on, but have you
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Speaker 1: There's a moment in high school for me. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: tell you a story. There's a moment high school for me.
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Speaker 1: I was dating a girl. I was a senior in
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Speaker 1: high school. She was a sophomore. Uh, and we were
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Speaker 1: dating for a long time. We had broken up at
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Speaker 1: this point, but we're only broken up for about four days.
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Speaker 1: It was very fresh, and we just ended up at
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Speaker 1: the same party and I walk into the party and
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Speaker 1: she's on the ouch kissing um, one of my buddies
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Speaker 1: little brothers, who was also a sophomore. And it tore
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Speaker 1: my heart out, like destroyed me. And we were already
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Speaker 1: broken up, like I had no right to still be upset,
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Speaker 1: but it was still so hard to see. And then
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Speaker 1: your mind starts playing all these games with you. My
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Speaker 1: question now is, for anybody out there listening to the
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Speaker 1: people in studio, how does Dylan recover? No matter how
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Speaker 1: much Hannah maybe leans into him. At this point, says Dylan,
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Speaker 1: I made a mistake. I really care about you. You're
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Speaker 1: the one for me. How in the world. Does he
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Speaker 1: recover after seeing his partner kissing somebody else so many
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Speaker 1: times with multiple people in front of it? Oh? No,
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Speaker 1: all I know is like it's obviously happened before with
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Speaker 1: you know, Joe and Kendall, and I just have faith
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Speaker 1: that Dylan can get over it. But if I was
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Speaker 1: in dylan shoes, I have no idea how I could
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Speaker 1: get over it. I think I would just be like,
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Speaker 1: all right, I'm out, Like I'm heading out of here.
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Speaker 1: How do you not go just numb from that kind
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Speaker 1: of thing in that situation? And you're right, numbs probably
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Speaker 1: the best word to use there, isn't it like just
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Speaker 1: completely numb and probably sad, just completely crushed. We've all
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Speaker 1: been there. I mean, we've all felt that kind of
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Speaker 1: crushing blow if you've been in a dating relationship. And
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Speaker 1: that's what love does, right, That's why I love is
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Speaker 1: so beautiful. We can celebrate the good times, but then
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Speaker 1: the bad times make the good times feel that much better.
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Speaker 1: But you just go numb, you go cold, And I
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Speaker 1: don't know how Dylan recovers. Dylan. If Dylan recovers from this,
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Speaker 1: let me say this right now, If Dylan recovers from this,
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Speaker 1: There's two things I'll take out of it. One he's
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Speaker 1: a better man than I would ever be. And two
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Speaker 1: he cares about Hannah like legitimately loves Hannah, like he
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Speaker 1: sees his future with Hannah. If they come out of
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Speaker 1: this together, My bet will be that they'll be together
18:44
Speaker 1: for for a long time. Okay, I have a question
18:47
Speaker 1: for you. So you're on the Bachelorette. You saw Caitlin
18:52
Speaker 1: kiss other guys. How did you navigate that? Yeah? So,
18:58
Speaker 1: I mean one of the famous stories is right, I was.
19:00
Speaker 1: We were in San Antonio and Caitlin stuck into the
19:02
Speaker 1: room that Sean Booth and I were sleeping in, and
19:04
Speaker 1: she kissed Sean in front of me in this room,
19:07
Speaker 1: and uh, I was laying in the bed next to him.
19:10
Speaker 1: And we left, And it was numbing to me, more
19:12
Speaker 1: confusing than anything else, because we were just a few
19:15
Speaker 1: weeks in at this point, and I didn't have the
19:17
Speaker 1: strong feelings for Caitlin that Dylan has for hand. I
19:19
Speaker 1: don't think I knew I like Caitlin. I knew I
19:21
Speaker 1: was interested in Caitlin. I wanted to be around there
19:24
Speaker 1: for multiple reasons, not only just for Caitlin, but because
19:26
Speaker 1: the whole experience was still kind of um and and
19:30
Speaker 1: you know, I was infatuated with the idea of still
19:32
Speaker 1: being around there and building friendships. And so this happened,
19:36
Speaker 1: and I remember leaving the room the next morning and
19:38
Speaker 1: feeling kind of just weird and off, and what happened
19:41
Speaker 1: that changed it. I was ready to go home, and
19:43
Speaker 1: I told Caitlin that, hey, this isn't for me anymore.
19:45
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's not right for me to
19:46
Speaker 1: be here. I don't know how this whole thing plays out,
19:48
Speaker 1: but it just doesn't feel right for me to be here.
19:50
Speaker 1: And she said, here's the thing. Yes, I'm into Sean,
19:53
Speaker 1: very into Sean, but I still am very interested in you.
19:56
Speaker 1: So will you just stick around and give it a chance.
19:59
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for, you know, doing this in front of you,
20:01
Speaker 1: And I said, well that makes sense, like let's give
20:02
Speaker 1: it a shot. But it's still hurt. And the difference though,
20:06
Speaker 1: is really I think the feelings going into it. If
20:08
Speaker 1: I was in love with Caitlin and this was happening
20:10
Speaker 1: next to me, it would have destroyed me. But because Caitlin,
20:13
Speaker 1: at this point, we're still kind of exploring what was
20:16
Speaker 1: going to be happening, and we're more friends than anything else.
20:19
Speaker 1: I wasn't that. I didn't feel that rejected. Yeah. Do
20:23
Speaker 1: you think that's why they kind of the last few
20:25
Speaker 1: weeks of The Bachelor Bachelor that they kind of keep
20:28
Speaker 1: the contestants away from each other. Yeah, I definitely do.
20:33
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to because this happens and in
20:35
Speaker 1: Paradise is weird in the fact, in the sense that
20:38
Speaker 1: we see this all the time. Every season we see
20:40
Speaker 1: scenarios like this. There's not a lot of places to hide.
20:43
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like I've never been down there, but
20:45
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like there's many places to hide. I
20:47
Speaker 1: just can't imagine. It's got to be one of the
20:49
Speaker 1: hardest parts is watching these people do this in front
20:53
Speaker 1: of you. So, I mean, maybe the most interesting store
20:57
Speaker 1: line to me, um, I think dim me's up there.
21:01
Speaker 1: I also think that not the Blake Dylan Hannah drama.
21:05
Speaker 1: It's more of how Dylan and Hannah respond now and
21:08
Speaker 1: where this relationship goes between them coming off of scenarios
21:12
Speaker 1: like this, I'm really interested in that. Moving on here,
21:17
Speaker 1: we have to get in now to Christian, Nicole, Jordan's
21:21
Speaker 1: and Clay. Never expected this to be something that we
21:25
Speaker 1: were watching on television. It feels like going to be
21:27
Speaker 1: one of the most dramatic storylines that we've ever seen.
21:30
Speaker 1: Somebody that can relate with these storylines is our next guest,
21:35
Speaker 1: David Ruiz. He's Chicken Man on his season of The Bachelor.
21:39
Speaker 1: He comes on often and we're bringing him on the
21:41
Speaker 1: day just strictly to talk about what it's like to
21:43
Speaker 1: be in a feud with Jordan, because he's been there,
21:45
Speaker 1: he's done that, and he's felt it before. David, Welcome
21:51
Speaker 1: Almost Famous Podcast once again. Buddy, How you doing man?
21:54
Speaker 1: Good to be back, always good to be here and
21:56
Speaker 1: always good to chat with you. Then, how you doing?
21:58
Speaker 1: I'm so good man, David thinks are coming on. You
22:01
Speaker 1: are now. Just like Kris Bukowski is the uh the
22:05
Speaker 1: guest that has came on Bachelor in Paradise Bachler Bacher
22:07
Speaker 1: at the most, you have now been on Almost Famous
22:11
Speaker 1: Podcast the most, and we appreciate you every time. For David,
22:14
Speaker 1: We're here for one reason today. Okay, I need you
22:17
Speaker 1: to go back to the less mature, less good looking
22:21
Speaker 1: uh David a year ago. Okay, and unless wise, David
22:28
Speaker 1: as well and less wise, because dang it, David, you
22:31
Speaker 1: are one wise man. Now you you are studying still,
22:33
Speaker 1: you're you're just such a smart dude. Let's talk a
22:36
Speaker 1: little bit about what it's like to be in a
22:38
Speaker 1: feud with Jordan. I want you to put you know,
22:40
Speaker 1: if you saw this week on the the episode Christian Um,
22:44
Speaker 1: the newest member to Bachelor in Paradise, Uh, comes in,
22:49
Speaker 1: I would explain. Let me just break this down. The
22:51
Speaker 1: Christian intins first with you, David. But Christian comes in.
22:55
Speaker 1: He's got swagger, he's good looking. I'd say he definitely
22:58
Speaker 1: comes off as arrogant. Uh, definitely comes off that he
23:03
Speaker 1: he belongs there more than anybody else. I think right
23:06
Speaker 1: away we could tell that was going to get him
23:08
Speaker 1: into trouble. Like I think right away we knew that
23:10
Speaker 1: there was something about Christian that was rubbing everybody the
23:12
Speaker 1: wrong way. If they would have seen the things he
23:15
Speaker 1: was saying and doing. But one thing he does do
23:18
Speaker 1: is he spots Nicole first and he says, Nicole, I
23:20
Speaker 1: want to take you on a date. Nicole is really
23:23
Speaker 1: enjoying the attention. We don't blame her, right, it's her
23:26
Speaker 1: time on Paradise. You know, Clay and here has a
23:29
Speaker 1: great thing going on. But Nicole is definitely enjoying the
23:32
Speaker 1: attention that's coming on from the outside. And Christian, though,
23:38
Speaker 1: is the one guy. It's it's kind of sad for Clay,
23:40
Speaker 1: I think in a sense because you have Jordan Kimball
23:42
Speaker 1: who you're familiar with, David and then Christian, two very
23:46
Speaker 1: polarizing figures coming onto the beach and taking Nicole on
23:49
Speaker 1: a date. Neither of those figures are gonna stay quiet
23:51
Speaker 1: for long. But there's a backstory of the Christian Jordan
23:53
Speaker 1: relationship they fought on mentel all. Christian was around like
23:58
Speaker 1: one night and he decided to kind of up out
24:00
Speaker 1: and have his moment during them. Tell all Jordan and
24:02
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Anyways, as you're watching this, David, whose side
24:09
Speaker 1: are you on? So I think I'm on clay side
24:13
Speaker 1: more than anyone. Um. You know, it's hard to take
24:16
Speaker 1: a side in the Jordan's Christian thing that they have
24:21
Speaker 1: going on. But you know, Jordan takes claytt. I feel like,
24:23
Speaker 1: you know, Jordan is standing up for a friend there.
24:26
Speaker 1: You know that you'd take it too far? Yeah, definitely. Um,
24:29
Speaker 1: you know there's no reason to get physical there from
24:32
Speaker 1: what it looks like. UM, but you know, he was
24:34
Speaker 1: really standing up for Clay after you know, Clay tried
24:37
Speaker 1: to put his best foot forward, after Nicole had said, Hey,
24:40
Speaker 1: you know, I want you to be more aggressive. I
24:41
Speaker 1: want you to, um, you know, put yourself out there.
24:44
Speaker 1: And you know Clay could literally, you know, just crushed Christian.
24:47
Speaker 1: I feel like literally just that you know, he could
24:50
Speaker 1: just pick the guy up and crush him. Um. But
24:53
Speaker 1: that's not Clay. Clay's a soft spoken guy, you know,
24:56
Speaker 1: really really really super respectful. And I feel like, you know,
24:59
Speaker 1: Jordan is just looking out for his friend there. Um.
25:02
Speaker 1: So you know, I guess that there's a side to
25:03
Speaker 1: take it, you know, definitely the Jordan's and play side. Um.
25:09
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, Christian is definitely arrogant, you know,
25:11
Speaker 1: definitely stubborn, comes into Paradise thinking he's the king there. Um.
25:15
Speaker 1: And you know, clearly Nicole definitely had you know, some
25:18
Speaker 1: uh you know, charismatic moments with him, and they definitely
25:21
Speaker 1: had some chemistry. Um. But you know, I think he
25:23
Speaker 1: just kind of picked the whole stick a little too far.
25:27
Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah, I mean I think so do.
25:29
Speaker 1: I think you make a great point. We've got to
25:31
Speaker 1: be on the clay Side. I want to know from you,
25:34
Speaker 1: David and anybody else that wanted to chime in here.
25:36
Speaker 1: Am I off or wrong? That Christian really really started
25:44
Speaker 1: kind of irk me, Like right away, I just felt
25:47
Speaker 1: like there was something about him. I don't know him personally,
25:49
Speaker 1: but he came in and right away I was like,
25:51
Speaker 1: my red flag was up. Is people that listen, the
25:54
Speaker 1: listeners out there, please email us and and tweet us
25:57
Speaker 1: if that kind of was the same reaction you had,
25:58
Speaker 1: but that was my reaction. Yeah, I was getting bad
26:01
Speaker 1: vibes immediately. You know, he came in, which I feel
26:04
Speaker 1: like it was like really rehearsed. Do you feel that
26:06
Speaker 1: like he came in with all these lines in one line,
26:08
Speaker 1: like he just like had a game plan coming in
26:10
Speaker 1: there and really just you know, his script. That's like
26:13
Speaker 1: he had a script going into paradise and said said
26:16
Speaker 1: to himself, A right, I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna
26:17
Speaker 1: say this, and you know that's really what he did.
26:20
Speaker 1: He tried to execute his game plan, and um, it
26:22
Speaker 1: was almost like he was playing football or you know,
26:24
Speaker 1: I know he's a soccer player, It's almost like he
26:26
Speaker 1: was playing soccer. Danielle and Easton. Were either of you
26:29
Speaker 1: impressed with Christian swagger or vibe When he first came
26:34
Speaker 1: to the beach, he definitely had swag. I'm not going
26:37
Speaker 1: to deny that. I was like, this guy is cute,
26:40
Speaker 1: but as soon as he started talking, I was like,
26:42
Speaker 1: oh no, this guy's gonna cause trouble. And then the
26:46
Speaker 1: thing that really threw me off is when he um
26:50
Speaker 1: was when Nicole and Clay confronted them to try to
26:52
Speaker 1: take Nicole away, and there was this like whole exchange
26:57
Speaker 1: between Clay and Christian and things got heated, and then
27:01
Speaker 1: Christian was like, Nicole, you pick and she was like, okay,
27:04
Speaker 1: well I'm just gonna spend some time with Clay and
27:06
Speaker 1: he was like, oh okay, that's all I needed to hear,
27:08
Speaker 1: and like walked away and I'm like, what is happening
27:10
Speaker 1: right now? Like this guy was just literally crushing Clay
27:15
Speaker 1: with his words. And then like Nicole said, I don't know,
27:18
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend some time with Clay and he was like,
27:20
Speaker 1: oh yeah, cool, cool, cool, bro, That's all I needed
27:22
Speaker 1: to know, and like gave like Clay a handshake, like
27:26
Speaker 1: this is so holding hands through that entire conversation right,
27:29
Speaker 1: because we cringe. Very odd, Eason, what do you think
27:35
Speaker 1: was Christian at all impressive to you? I mean he
27:38
Speaker 1: had swagger, he's a good looking guy. But how quickly
27:41
Speaker 1: did that kind of change in your mind? When when
27:44
Speaker 1: Christian first showed up? I I didn't like that Jordan
27:47
Speaker 1: was roasting him for his shoes because they were cool.
27:49
Speaker 1: They were Nick Vapor maaxes. Those are cool shoes. So
27:51
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I feel bad for this guy. But
27:53
Speaker 1: then two and a half minutes later I wrote down
27:56
Speaker 1: this note saying Christian sucks. I want to watch Clay
27:59
Speaker 1: just roy him. I want to see Clay pick him
28:01
Speaker 1: up over his head and throw him into the ocean.
28:03
Speaker 1: I want to see that. I don't like Christian. He sucks. Yeah,
28:08
Speaker 1: I agree, his shoes are great, so back off. I
28:10
Speaker 1: actually had to google. I don't know what kind of
28:13
Speaker 1: shoes Jordan told me need to buy, but like googled
28:15
Speaker 1: them last night. They're like Tom's looking shoes, right, that's
28:18
Speaker 1: what he wanted, he said, espadrills, which is like, um,
28:22
Speaker 1: it's hard to explain that they're very like, more female
28:25
Speaker 1: like than than males shoes. There there is a male
28:27
Speaker 1: adl but but I mean, no, Christian, the one thing
28:30
Speaker 1: I'll defend you and keep those vapor maxes on their
28:32
Speaker 1: comfortable shoes, like maybe not beach appropriate, but they're cool hey. Um.
28:37
Speaker 1: And also, I mean Jordan does the thing about tennis
28:39
Speaker 1: shoes because earlier on I mean I remember him on
28:42
Speaker 1: the episode he was kind of hating on Clay's white
28:44
Speaker 1: shoes on the beach. Ye, I think Jordan is a
28:47
Speaker 1: question his fashion. Um, say one thing really quick? Yeah, please?
28:51
Speaker 1: I never thought David would say that he was on
28:54
Speaker 1: team Jordan and Clay. So yeah, I mean, like Jordan
29:00
Speaker 1: at this point a friend of mine and you know
29:02
Speaker 1: we put the whole thing behind us, and obviously plays
29:05
Speaker 1: a good buddy of mine too, So I think we're
29:07
Speaker 1: you know, we're water round the bridge at this point.
29:11
Speaker 1: That I'd love to hear that you guys are friends.
29:13
Speaker 1: You've spent some time David with Clay and Blake in
29:16
Speaker 1: Denver here recently. But besides that, there's some pictures out
29:20
Speaker 1: there going around about that. What is it about Jordan's
29:24
Speaker 1: that is so polarizing but also just makes you angry
29:28
Speaker 1: when you're on that beach with him for too long?
29:30
Speaker 1: I mean, go back to that time you're friends with
29:32
Speaker 1: him now, but go back to the time when you
29:35
Speaker 1: wanted to take his pinata and throw it across the beach.
29:39
Speaker 1: What is it about Jordan that just irks you? You know,
29:42
Speaker 1: I think he's just a very polarizing figure. Um. You know,
29:46
Speaker 1: I think he's very strong with his words, and you
29:50
Speaker 1: know that could rub people the wrong way for good
29:53
Speaker 1: and bad. You know, I think once you get to
29:55
Speaker 1: know the guy, you know, you appreciate the you know,
29:58
Speaker 1: the quick wits and you know his funny and his
30:01
Speaker 1: sense of humor. Um. But initially you know that definitely
30:05
Speaker 1: can rub people the wrong way. And you know, for me,
30:07
Speaker 1: it's definitely rubbed me the wrong way. Um. You know,
30:10
Speaker 1: it kind of came off as definitely a little arrogant
30:13
Speaker 1: um and kind of like a know it all um.
30:16
Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like people don't know him.
30:18
Speaker 1: That's really how he comes off. So um. Once you
30:21
Speaker 1: get to know the guy, though, he's just you know,
30:23
Speaker 1: he's a Teddy Berry's you know, he's great. He's just
30:26
Speaker 1: a funny guy overall. So you know, I feel like
30:28
Speaker 1: that's kind of the dynamic that's going on with you know,
30:30
Speaker 1: him and Christian in that episode and obviously the physical
30:34
Speaker 1: altercation they're about to see the Jordan will continue to
30:37
Speaker 1: be a polarizing figure on Paradise. Here's my last question
30:40
Speaker 1: for you, David, will we ever see you back on
30:42
Speaker 1: that beach? And then the second followups that would are
30:45
Speaker 1: we ever going to see Jordan's back on that beach
30:47
Speaker 1: if he doesn't make it past this week? Um? For me,
30:51
Speaker 1: never say never, but uh, you know, I feel like
30:53
Speaker 1: I'm on too greener things and the getting the M
30:57
Speaker 1: B A and um, you know, make my way through
30:59
Speaker 1: the bit. Let's never say never. I don't. I'm single,
31:02
Speaker 1: and you know, when we give love a shot anyway
31:04
Speaker 1: I can. UM. And you know, as fir as Jordan, guys,
31:07
Speaker 1: I think you know he has a I think you'll
31:10
Speaker 1: end up seeing him back there at some point, whether
31:12
Speaker 1: it's the beach another show, who knows. And I feel
31:15
Speaker 1: like this is uh but I feel like this is
31:17
Speaker 1: right up his alley. Yeah, hey, sorry, I'll lie to you. Um,
31:21
Speaker 1: what would happen on the beach? Do you think if
31:24
Speaker 1: they were I mean, we've obviously seen that it's an
31:26
Speaker 1: actual fight going on between them. Is there a security
31:28
Speaker 1: around that like breaks those up? Do you think they'll
31:31
Speaker 1: be fighting for a while, will they will they have
31:33
Speaker 1: to go through home. Do you know what happens when
31:34
Speaker 1: people actually like physically fight on that beach? Yeah? Yeah,
31:38
Speaker 1: So I mean if you remember last year, Um, Leo
31:42
Speaker 1: and the Leo altercation at that at the cocktail party
31:47
Speaker 1: right before the Roads star Noni, Leo and Joe got
31:49
Speaker 1: into it, and you know, there is security, there's there
31:52
Speaker 1: are producers around, there's some security, and you know, you
31:56
Speaker 1: can't predict what's going to happen. You can't predict the fight,
31:59
Speaker 1: but you know you obviously judge if something about the
32:01
Speaker 1: blow up, and you know there are people around ready
32:03
Speaker 1: to jump in, but um, if they can't get there
32:06
Speaker 1: quick enough, you know people are ready to go. Um.
32:09
Speaker 1: So we'll see and obviously I would imagine you know,
32:12
Speaker 1: any physicalification results in a band in the beach. Um,
32:16
Speaker 1: But I guess we'll have to see what happens. We'll
32:18
Speaker 1: see what happens. Hey, David thinks a lot for coming on, man,
32:20
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Best of luck in the continued studies.
32:23
Speaker 1: You're the man. That's Devrees Chicken Man joining the podcast.
32:27
Speaker 1: Thanks a bud, Thanks man. What an episode, What a
32:33
Speaker 1: time to be alive. Paradise is moving and grooving. There's
32:36
Speaker 1: fights on the beach. There's relationships blossoming, also relationships ending.
32:41
Speaker 1: If you have a quick recap of some of the
32:44
Speaker 1: things that we did not talk about, this will happen
32:46
Speaker 1: this week. Jordan's and Demi are friends. They have an
32:50
Speaker 1: hilarious moment on the beach um making fun of people.
32:53
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's ever as funny as what
32:55
Speaker 1: it feels like it is at the time, but those
32:57
Speaker 1: two are going to cause havoc and that's what we love.
33:01
Speaker 1: Nicole and Christian are dating. As we talked about. Clay
33:03
Speaker 1: is off to the side. The Rose ceremony has a
33:06
Speaker 1: cocktail party I guess has started. Um. It was a
33:09
Speaker 1: to be continued episode because of the fight between Jordan's
33:12
Speaker 1: and Christian. JPJ is reciting poems to Tassia seems to work.
33:17
Speaker 1: I mean it was a little smooth. JPJ has something
33:20
Speaker 1: that the rest of us do not have. Chris and
33:23
Speaker 1: Katie are definitely, I would say the most consistent couple
33:27
Speaker 1: right now in Paradise over the one that I think
33:28
Speaker 1: will make it the longest. That's my bet. And uh
33:32
Speaker 1: and as far as everything else, goes Blake Cannab Dylan,
33:35
Speaker 1: ntil is trying to figure it all out. Derek and
33:37
Speaker 1: Demi are gonna make things work, even as Demi admits
33:40
Speaker 1: that she is sexually fluid. Christina finally has been said
33:45
Speaker 1: to be talking behind Kalin's back why Klin pursues a
33:48
Speaker 1: relationship with Dean. Klin feels slut shamed by Christina and
33:52
Speaker 1: admits it in tears during this week's episode. Hey, it
33:57
Speaker 1: felt like a transition episode. Other than the fight, it
34:00
Speaker 1: felt like a lot of things that will continue to
34:02
Speaker 1: build uh next week as we continue to watch. Finally,
34:06
Speaker 1: we have a reader email or listener email. I think
34:08
Speaker 1: I say that every single time that we want to highlight.
34:12
Speaker 1: It's from Elliott, says Cam and Analiese. What are your
34:14
Speaker 1: thoughts on setting up Analyze and Cam. They both expressed
34:17
Speaker 1: a strong desire for marriage and children. I think they
34:19
Speaker 1: would be a great match. Let me know what you think.
34:21
Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea. I think it's a
34:24
Speaker 1: terrific idea. We've never been successful on almost premost podcast
34:27
Speaker 1: at setting up people. We've tried it with Ashley before,
34:30
Speaker 1: Jared Um, We've tried it with a couple of our listeners.
34:33
Speaker 1: We've never done it successfully, but this feels like something
34:36
Speaker 1: we can make happen. Danielle Easton, can we try to
34:39
Speaker 1: make this happen? Yeah, I'm here for it. I think
34:44
Speaker 1: they both can catch a break. Police. Oh that is
34:51
Speaker 1: something Easton, that is something. Um. Hey east and daniel
34:54
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me today. Thanks for filling in for
34:57
Speaker 1: the Ashley um who is on her honeymoon hopefully not
35:01
Speaker 1: thinking about the Almost Famous podcast. I appreciate you guys.
35:05
Speaker 1: Thank you, David, thank you for coming on as well.
35:07
Speaker 1: Chicken Man joined us to talk about everything Bachelor in
35:10
Speaker 1: Paradise and also his time studying right now to get
35:14
Speaker 1: his NBA. Hey Eastern, Danielle, follow my lead here with that.
35:20
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week. I've been been, I've
35:23
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