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'TRAIL-MOM-OF-5' Rachel Morin, Raped, Murdered: COP SECRETS REVEALED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease, a gorgeous young mom and
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Speaker 1: I mean absolutely stunning. Of course, one victim is no
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Speaker 1: more or less important than another victim. But the fact
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Speaker 1: that Rachel Mourn's killer specifically destroyed her face, I find
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Speaker 1: highly probative. As we say in the courtroom, he destroyed
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Speaker 1: her beauty. Why why, in the last hours, bombshell in
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Speaker 1: the search for this beautiful young mother's killer, we now
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Speaker 1: have composite sketch of her attacker. How did they do it?
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Speaker 1: With us the composite sketch artist who created it. Not
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Speaker 1: only that, we are now learning so many more details
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Speaker 1: that law enforcement Lee admits they had kept secret. I
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, one of the facts that
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Speaker 1: have been kept secret till now is the location where
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Speaker 1: Rachel Morin was killed and where her body was dragged.
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Speaker 2: Listen off to the along the side of this trail,
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Speaker 2: there are two large drainage culverts that run under a
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Speaker 2: local highway. Those drainage culverts are hidden during the summertime
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Speaker 2: by trees and shrubbery, and aren't something that that most
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Speaker 2: people would see. I myself would been down that trail
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Speaker 2: many times and I wasn't aware that those culverts were there.
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Speaker 2: In this instance, we could see from the scene that
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Speaker 2: Rachel was ultimately attacked on the trail. That area of
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Speaker 2: the trail, there was a bend in the trail that
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Speaker 2: most likely was used by the individual who committed this crime,
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Speaker 2: who attacked Rachel on the trail, pulled her through the
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Speaker 2: wooded area into the into this drainage culvert where she
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Speaker 2: ultimately lost her life.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing Captain Andy Lane, commander of criminal investigations
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Speaker 1: in that division. But there's more about what we now
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Speaker 1: realize is a secret location. Up until now, we didn't
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Speaker 1: realize it even existed. Take close to the Sheriff Jeff Gallar.
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Speaker 3: There's a little bit of information we've held close to
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Speaker 3: the chest that we haven't released as far as what
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Speaker 3: the actual location of the homicide was. Looking back at
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Speaker 3: everything that we've done, we've been, you know, a little
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Speaker 3: leary releasing too many details. So this is something new.
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Speaker 3: A lot of people ask me routinely, is that where
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Speaker 3: is that where this homicide occurred? And the hiking trail
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Speaker 3: that goes underneath of twenty four. These drainage tunnels are
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Speaker 3: north of that a short distance, but as you said
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Speaker 3: in the summer particularly, you can't really make them out.
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Speaker 1: What can we deduce from what we are just now
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Speaker 1: learning from law enforcement in the search for the brutal
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Speaker 1: killer of this young mom Rachel morin with me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel, including Matt McMahon, who is Rachel mourns
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Speaker 1: the father of her oldest child, her daughter. But first
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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Tim Papa, who
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Speaker 1: has walked the trail. Former FBI profiler, supervisory special Agent
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Speaker 1: and founder of story Tellers. Tim Papa, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Explain to me the significance of the
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Speaker 1: two facts we've just le our. Number one that Rachel
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Speaker 1: was attacked just around a bend. What does that mean
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Speaker 1: to me? That means to me that if you're here
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Speaker 1: on the trail looking forward, she's walking that way, she
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Speaker 1: can't see her attacker waiting just around the curve. And
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Speaker 1: also people following her will not see her getting attacked
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Speaker 1: and dragged down into this culvert area, an area where
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Speaker 1: you don't even see it during the spring and summertimes.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about it.
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Speaker 4: These details are definitely importantly, they are pieces to the
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Speaker 4: puzzle and a good way to approach this as a
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Speaker 4: former profile of the way we would approach this, of course,
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Speaker 4: is starting with victimology, that relationship between the offender and
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Speaker 4: the victim. So even if we don't know who this
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Speaker 4: offender is, we can approach it from this vantage point
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Speaker 4: that any kind of action is going to involve some
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Speaker 4: element of hell.
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Speaker 5: Of vulnerable was the victim, how available was the victim,
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Speaker 5: and how desirable was the victim. So we don't know,
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Speaker 5: of course it's the defender stalked her, but it's very
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Speaker 5: possible if he was in that kind of location.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, I'm trying to determine the significance of
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Speaker 1: this particular location on the trail and again, and I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that Jessica Garth, a veteran trinal lawyer, is going
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Speaker 1: to agree with me. You want to win a case,
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Speaker 1: you go to the scene and you walk it and
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Speaker 1: you find out about it. This is telling me that
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Speaker 1: this perp was either watching her or knew the trail,
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Speaker 1: had staked it out before, and had selected a prime
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Speaker 1: location specifically to attack women. So what does it all mean?
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Speaker 1: Listen to Captain Andy Lane this.
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Speaker 2: Person obviously took the time to be familiar with the
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Speaker 2: area because he was familiar with the culrids we spoke of,
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Speaker 2: and he was also most likely or potentially familiar with Rachel,
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Speaker 2: who had a time of day she liked to run.
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Speaker 2: And this individual took an opportunity when Rachel, unfortunately from
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Speaker 2: the witnesses we spoke to, was briefly out of view
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Speaker 2: of anyone else for a short period of time.
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Speaker 1: Okay, joining me an all star panel to make sense
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Speaker 1: of what we know right now, But I want to
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Speaker 1: go to a person very close and very dear to
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Speaker 1: Rachel Woren. This is the father of her eldest daughter,
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Speaker 1: Matt McMahon. Matthew, thank you for being with us. And
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Speaker 1: as you know, when I first saw this story, of course,
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Speaker 1: I was captivated by her beauty, by her story, by
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Speaker 1: the fact that she's a devoted mom. But I'm really
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Speaker 1: focused on justice for her children so they don't grow
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Speaker 1: up thinking what happened to mommy? Nobody ever found out.
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Speaker 1: They're just children. Do it. We've got to do it
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Speaker 1: for them. Matt. Let me ask you this, Matt, what
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about this trail? Have you seen
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Speaker 1: the trail?
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Speaker 6: Oh oh, yeah, I've been on this trail going going
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Speaker 6: back decades. Rachel and I used to take our daughter
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Speaker 6: on walks and bike rides down this trail when she
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Speaker 6: was an infant and a toddler.
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Speaker 1: Toddler, Hey, right there, you're telling me something I didn't
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Speaker 1: already know. I think long and hard before I take
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Speaker 1: the twins anywhere, and if it's camping or on a trail,
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Speaker 1: I know that it's safe as safe as it can
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Speaker 1: be before I take them there. So this is the
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Speaker 1: kind of trail I mean, it's named the Ma and
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Speaker 1: Pad Trail that you think would be safe families go there.
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Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely it was a safe trail, and hopefully it'll
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Speaker 6: be considered a safe trail sometime in the future. There
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Speaker 6: are spots in the trail where it feels like you're
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Speaker 6: in the middle of nowhere, but there is really no
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Speaker 6: time where you're really too far from homes or businesses.
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Speaker 6: But in speaking to that one turn, it absolutely was,
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Speaker 6: in my opinion, a place that was pre selected by
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Speaker 6: the suspect to attack somebody. There's no doubt in my mind.
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Speaker 1: You know another thing, and this reminds me, wait for it,
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Speaker 1: of Brian Coburger. I flew to Idaho with the freezing
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Speaker 1: cold and walked the area over and over and over
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Speaker 1: to try to understand what happened. And I figured out,
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Speaker 1: along with others who think the same thing, how Coburger
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Speaker 1: watched above the tree line. Now, that house was on
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Speaker 1: a slope, so you could be standing above it at
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Speaker 1: a parking lot and look thirty feet into their third
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Speaker 1: floor window through the trees. So easy to see straight.
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Speaker 1: I mean I could look in and tell what kind
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Speaker 1: of dish washing liquid was on a kitchen windowsill. That's
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Speaker 1: how well you could see in. Now, listen to what
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Speaker 1: we think Rachel Mooren's killer did. Listen to Captain Andy Lane.
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Speaker 2: And interviewing witnesses and speaking to people on the trail
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Speaker 2: at that time, it would appear that there was an
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Speaker 2: individual who was standing within the woodline in an area
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Speaker 2: that's slightly elevated immediately around the time of this assault.
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Speaker 2: And I would agree with you, sir, that I don't
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Speaker 2: know that Rachel was specifically targeted, but I do believe
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Speaker 2: that that area was chosen as an area that they
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Speaker 2: wanted to assault someone.
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Speaker 1: To Jessica Garth, chief of the Special Victims Family Violence Unit,
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Speaker 1: in this Jurisdiction of Maryland. Jessica, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. I've investigated, prosecuted, and covered a lot of cases.
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Speaker 1: But there's a whole nother element of intent, malice for
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Speaker 1: lack of a better word. All these street vernacular creepiness,
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Speaker 1: with a purp that stands in the dark, in the
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Speaker 1: shadows like I think Brian Coburger did, and watches his
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Speaker 1: prey in the light. There's something. I'm not a shrink,
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Speaker 1: of course, but I've noticed in all the cases. It's
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Speaker 1: certainly not a statistic, it's more anecdotal. I've noticed another
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Speaker 1: layer of complexity in that purp, and that's what we've
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Speaker 1: got here. And when I get to the La attack
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Speaker 1: that he absolutely attacked a whole family in the dark
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Speaker 1: of the night, it's a whole nother layer because we
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Speaker 1: know in that case he was watching that house too
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Speaker 1: before he broke in. So what do you make of this,
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Speaker 1: Jessica Garth, You've prosecuted a lot of violent crimes.
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Speaker 7: Well, I agree with Nancy. I mean, without a doubt,
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Speaker 7: this man is extremely dangerous and he's extremely brave. And
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Speaker 7: Eve talking about the La case where he broke into
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Speaker 7: a home where there were multiple people in the home
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Speaker 7: and attacks adults, attacked a child. It sounds like broke
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Speaker 7: into the home, not coming into the front door, but
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Speaker 7: by some other means the police haven't released. You know,
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Speaker 7: that's one of the most terrifying things that can happen
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Speaker 7: to a family. And I think that you're right. I
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Speaker 7: think he probably did watch that home. I think he
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Speaker 7: probably knew exactly how he was going to get in
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Speaker 7: and what he was going.
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Speaker 1: To do, which I could get my hands around his neck, Jessica,
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Speaker 1: just imagining him at the end of that trail, watching
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Speaker 1: and I don't know if he had been talking her specifically,
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Speaker 1: but watching for either her or a woman to come
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Speaker 1: around that band, just waiting, just waiting for the right moment.
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Speaker 7: I think it is likely that he had seen her
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Speaker 7: there before. It sounds like that she had a pretty
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Speaker 7: regular routine of running that trail around the same time,
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Speaker 7: and maybe he didn't know it was going to be
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Speaker 7: her on that day, but I'm almost certain that he
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Speaker 7: had seen her there before. And it certainly is creepy.
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Speaker 7: It's the level of premeditation that we don't often see
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Speaker 7: in cases, even cases is violent in this at this
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Speaker 7: one point.
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Speaker 1: Time, stories with Nancy Grace two. Matt McMahon, This is
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Speaker 1: a person so dear and near to Rachel. He is
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Speaker 1: the father of her eldest child, a daughter who is
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Speaker 1: now left to go through her remaining teen years without
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Speaker 1: a mom. And I gotta tell you, Matt McMahon, I've
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Speaker 1: got two teenagers. Yeah, I don't have to change their
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Speaker 1: diapers anymore. I don't have to spoon feed them or
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Speaker 1: give them a baby bottle. But the teen years so far,
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Speaker 1: in my mind, are the times they need mom and
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Speaker 1: dad the most. I really really believe that. And I
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Speaker 1: am just sick that Rachel is not going to be
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Speaker 1: the How many children does Rachel have, Matt?
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Speaker 6: She has five children that are now aged eight to eighteen.
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Speaker 6: At the time of the killing, it was seven to eighteen.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Karen Stark, my longtime friend and college it
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Speaker 1: just happens to be a renowned TV radio trauma expert. Karen.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been with me since I was pregnant,
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Speaker 1: and you know, the teens need mom and dad now
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Speaker 1: more than ever. She got five children, Karen Stark, and
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Speaker 1: I think about this poc hiding around the band waiting
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Speaker 1: for her to innocently walk along and then attack her,
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Speaker 1: rape her, kill her, smash her face in with a rut.
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Speaker 1: Who and the hell is this guy?
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Speaker 8: Think of that at Nancy.
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Speaker 9: The image that you're describing as of a hunter, right
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Speaker 9: pray and whether he was waiting there for her or
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Speaker 9: another woman, he was waiting to hunt. He wanted to hunt,
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Speaker 9: he wanted to kill, and this person was an animal
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Speaker 9: to him. And there's tremendous anger the fact that he
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Speaker 9: would smash her face. He didn't want to be able
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Speaker 9: to look into that face.
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Speaker 6: Again.
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Speaker 9: This is somebody who maybe feels that beautiful women don't
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Speaker 9: want him or he can't have them. He has terrible
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Speaker 9: feelings of inadequacy, and he actually was out there hunting,
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Speaker 9: even with the people in the home.
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Speaker 8: He really thrust it out.
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Speaker 7: And decided what he was going to do.
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Speaker 9: And they were all animals, not.
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Speaker 6: Humans to him.
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Speaker 1: You know, Karen Stark, You know, I typically don't care
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Speaker 1: why does what he does, but I do care in
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Speaker 1: this case because everything that you just said gives me
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Speaker 1: a window into his identity. And when we get a
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Speaker 1: hold of this guy, Jessica Garth, is there a death
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Speaker 1: penalty in Maryland?
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Speaker 7: No, there's not.
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Speaker 1: So basically you can just kill as many people as
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Speaker 1: you want to, and then I got to give you
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Speaker 1: three hots and a cop for the rest of your life, right, Okay? Hey,
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Speaker 1: oh darn no, I don't know that he killed anyone
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Speaker 1: in any other jurisdiction. The attacks in California do not
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Speaker 1: rise to the death penalty because the victims lived. But
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Speaker 1: hold on, I'm putting the cart before the horse here.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about was she specifically stalked? And I want
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Speaker 1: you to listen to Sheriff Jeff Gawler, Harford County Sheriff.
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Speaker 3: My gut tells me she was stalked. Do we catch
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Speaker 3: this person? I also have been putting out there. You
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Speaker 3: know the fact that it could have just been a
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Speaker 3: crime of opportunity. He could have laid it weight on
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Speaker 3: that trail for Rachel or whichever female decided to come
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Speaker 3: down that trail at a time when there were no
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Speaker 3: other people in site, you know, more or less a
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Speaker 3: crime of opportunity. We don't have information, We developed no
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Speaker 3: information to say she was specifically targeted.
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Speaker 1: So his gut is and I respect this guy, he's
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Speaker 1: veteranality law enforcement. He says he thinks Rachel Moran was
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Speaker 1: stalked I don't know that I agree with that, but see,
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Speaker 1: he knows facts we don't know, so he may very
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Speaker 1: well be right. But it sounds to me like this
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Speaker 1: is a guy much like the Purp and the Silvercomet
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Speaker 1: hiking trail. Remember that Jackie where the victim, Jennifer was
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Speaker 1: biking and he was at the tree line, watching and
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Speaker 1: waiting for a woman, any woman, to come along. So
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Speaker 1: the reason this matters, wouldn't you agree, Tim Pappa, former FBI.
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Speaker 1: The reason that matters was she stalked or was this
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Speaker 1: a random attack on any woman? That won't buy because
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Speaker 1: if she was stalked, then maybe we can place him
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Speaker 1: at other locations, maybe her yoga studio, her aerobic studio,
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Speaker 1: maybe where she ate lunch. I don't know, but that
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Speaker 1: is a window into solving this case if she was
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Speaker 1: specifically stalked. Yes, no, Tim Pappa, No.
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Speaker 6: It's definitely a window.
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Speaker 4: I think the significance too, of what happened in La
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Speaker 4: is more than likely he learned from that experience that
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Speaker 4: that was probably too risky, it was too breathing, and
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Speaker 4: perhaps being in the woods where people can't see him
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Speaker 4: and he can get familiar with the area, that that
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Speaker 4: was probably a higher chance of success for him to
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Speaker 4: take advantage of someone. So I think that speaks to
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Speaker 4: a functionality of say a killer and their behaviors, their
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Speaker 4: learning behaviors.
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Speaker 1: They've got law enforcement stating that they believe she was stalked.
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Speaker 1: Now we know the LA crime, we know that house
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Speaker 1: had to be staked out, so that's his mo. He
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Speaker 1: steaks out the victim, he stakes out the lowcation, and
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Speaker 1: then he acts. I'm going to circle back to whether
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Speaker 1: she was being stalked and the new information about the
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Speaker 1: LA attack that this guy performed. It was very violent
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Speaker 1: and we're finding out that he attacked a whole family,
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Speaker 1: assaulting two of the people in the middle of the night.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people have been wondering, Look, we only
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Speaker 1: have ring doorbell of him leaving the LA crime scene.
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Speaker 1: What about coming in, because then I can see his
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Speaker 1: face on camera. We now know he broke in another way.
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Speaker 1: He didn't come in through the front door, so we
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Speaker 1: don't have his face. I've been questioning that over and
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Speaker 1: over and over. Now I know some of the answers,
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Speaker 1: but I don't want to bury the lead with us today.
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Speaker 1: The sketch artist that created this incredible composite, but first
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Speaker 1: to Vincent Hill, anchor reporter Fox forty five in Baltimore.
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Speaker 1: This jurisdiction of Maryland and interesting. Former police officer and
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Speaker 1: private investigator, so he sees reporting in a completely different way.
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Speaker 1: He's also author of Playbook to a Murderer. Joining us
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Speaker 1: from Fox forty five Baltimore, Vincent Hill, this, before I
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Speaker 1: get into the composite, just bring me up to date.
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Speaker 1: There has been so many revelations in the last hours
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Speaker 1: in the hunt for Rachel Morn's killer. And this is
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Speaker 1: as our family, your five children standing by wondering what
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Speaker 1: happened to mommy? I want to give them that answer.
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Speaker 10: Vincent Hill and Nancy well Of relations have certainly been huge.
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Speaker 10: But I will go back to what Sheriff Gaylor said.
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Speaker 10: I do believe Rachel may have been stalked.
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Speaker 6: And here's why.
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Speaker 10: You have a trail that not a lot of people
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Speaker 10: know about it. I didn't know about it until I
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Speaker 10: heard about Rachel. You have this curve in the trail
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Speaker 10: that again, if you are not familiar with it, you're
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Speaker 10: not going.
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Speaker 1: To know about Have you seen it, Vincent.
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Speaker 10: Yes, I've seen it.
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Speaker 1: Is it the way that Matt McMahon describes it absolutely,
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Speaker 1: and explain to me about those culverts, how she was
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Speaker 1: dragged down into this niche area that most people wouldn't
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Speaker 1: know about. People could have actually walked by Vincent Hill
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Speaker 1: as she was being raped or killed and not even
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Speaker 1: know what was happening and.
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Speaker 10: Not know exactly exactly, Nancy, because I didn't know about
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Speaker 10: these culverts. And again, it was eighty two degrees that day,
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Speaker 10: the sunset.
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Speaker 11: Was at eight to fourteen that night.
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Speaker 10: This person had a very very small window to grab
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Speaker 10: Rachel and do what he did.
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Speaker 1: Why do you say that because of other people coming
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Speaker 1: along the trail.
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Speaker 10: Potentially other people along the trail. It's eighty two degrees, Nancy,
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Speaker 10: everybody was out hiking.
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Speaker 1: You know what, You're kind of awesome. You know the time,
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Speaker 1: you know the location, you even know the temp. That's
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Speaker 1: great because it matters. It matters as to how many
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Speaker 1: people will be on that trail. If it's you know,
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Speaker 1: thirty six degrees outside, nobody's going to be on the trail.
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Speaker 1: But you're right, it's in the eighties, Okay, go ahead, exactly.
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Speaker 10: And again, how did this guy know the details of
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Speaker 10: that trail unless he had been to that trail before.
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Speaker 10: You're talking about a guy that came from Los Angeles, California,
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Speaker 10: to wherever in between to end up in bel Air, Maryland,
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Speaker 10: of all places, nobody thinks of bel Air. When you
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Speaker 10: think of Maryland, you think of Baltimore, you think of Annapolis.
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Speaker 10: This guy was doing his homework.
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Speaker 1: Well, don't you think he had to know somebody there?
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Speaker 1: Why would you go to many a little known area
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Speaker 1: unless you had a contact there, unless.
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Speaker 10: You live in the area, your family lives in the area,
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Speaker 10: someone that this guy knows lives close, or he may
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Speaker 10: live closer. He may have worked in that area.
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Speaker 1: Why are you telling me that? Because there's a thirty
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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars rewarding, nobody's giving him up.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, Dancy, they may not even know, Unfortunately, that it
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Speaker 10: could be something as simple as, Oh, he did construction
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Speaker 10: in the area, so he's familiar with it. He spent
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Speaker 10: a few months working in the area. Oh he went
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Speaker 10: to the trail. Oh he's seen Rachel there before. Oh
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Speaker 10: he knows. Oh, this is an easy spot to grab
22:03
Speaker 10: a victim. It can be something that easy, Nancy. And unfortunately,
22:07
Speaker 10: there may be someone out there that may know something
22:10
Speaker 10: and not even realize that they know it.
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, you are so right, and that leads me
22:15
Speaker 1: perfectly to this a composite You know how happy I
22:22
Speaker 1: am right now. So far, all we have seen is
22:25
Speaker 1: this killer's back of the head and a slight part
22:29
Speaker 1: of the side of his face as he leaves the
22:33
Speaker 1: LA crime scene. He's been linked to that by DNA,
22:35
Speaker 1: which I'm going to get into in a moment. This
22:38
Speaker 1: took a great composite sketch artist and joining me is
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Speaker 1: Michael Streed st r Eed. Look him up. He's at
22:49
Speaker 1: SketchCop dot com. Now, we do not want to jeopardize
22:57
Speaker 1: the investigation. What that means is if and when, god
23:02
Speaker 1: willing Michael Streed is put up on the stand on
23:06
Speaker 1: direct examination to describe how he made this sketch, he's
23:12
Speaker 1: going to be cross examined. We don't want to impinge
23:18
Speaker 1: upon that cross examination at all. Michael Streed. Let me
23:22
Speaker 1: just say this is an incredible composite sketch. I've used
23:26
Speaker 1: composite sketches many many times at trial, including the recreation
23:32
Speaker 1: of the deceased face when the face was unidentifiable, and
23:40
Speaker 1: it helped me win a case against a serial killer
23:46
Speaker 1: because the victim that I had the best evidence on
23:50
Speaker 1: Michael Streed. Once my sketch artist sketched her face as
23:56
Speaker 1: it would have been in life, I realized I showed
23:59
Speaker 1: it to the jury in closing arguments. She looked almost
24:03
Speaker 1: identical to his former girlfriend that kicked him out, the
24:07
Speaker 1: mother of his child, and he hated her for that,
24:11
Speaker 1: so he sought out this woman who looked almost identical
24:14
Speaker 1: to her as strangled her dead. Think about it. I
24:18
Speaker 1: put the two of those sketches up in front of
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Speaker 1: the jury and there was dead quiet and because of you, Streed.
24:25
Speaker 1: You remember, did you hear what Vincent Hill just said?
24:28
Speaker 1: He said, people may not even realize that they know
24:32
Speaker 1: the guy because we have never seen his face. And
24:35
Speaker 1: guess what now we can now tell me what you can.
24:42
Speaker 1: I can already deduce Michael Streed that you got a
24:46
Speaker 1: lot of this compositive sketch from the side angle of
24:51
Speaker 1: the purpse face that we see in the ring camera.
24:55
Speaker 1: In the La brutal assault, he attacked two people I
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Speaker 1: think are females, I guess sexually had to get that
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Speaker 1: DNA from somewhere. It wakes up the whole house. A
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Speaker 1: little child wanders in. It's like, what's happening. The whole
25:12
Speaker 1: house wakes up and they get him out. That's what
25:16
Speaker 1: I know right now. That could change, But you've got
25:18
Speaker 1: that side view of his face in that ring camera.
25:22
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this. Did you speak to
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Speaker 1: any of the LA victims?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I spoke to witnesses that were provided And although
25:33
Speaker 11: I can't reveal the where they were from in terms
25:36
Speaker 11: of Maryland or LA.
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Speaker 1: I would be mad if you did. So, you spoke
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Speaker 1: to witnesses that can help you feel in the composite.
25:43
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
25:43
Speaker 11: I did? I did. I spoke to multiple witnesses, and
25:46
Speaker 11: of course, you know the Sheriff's Department and their podcast
25:49
Speaker 11: recently talked about myself using the part of the ring
25:54
Speaker 11: video footage to help assemble DI sketch as well.
25:58
Speaker 1: You know what I see you did? This would be
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Speaker 1: on his left upper lip. You know how there's the
26:05
Speaker 1: heart shape of the lip in most people, not everybody,
26:08
Speaker 1: but I notice it goes up on the left side
26:12
Speaker 1: of his lip. It's a little higher than the one
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Speaker 1: on the right. You had to get that from somewhere.
26:18
Speaker 1: That d just fall on your head. His ears are
26:21
Speaker 1: positioned a little bit higher on his head. I can
26:24
Speaker 1: see it more in the sketch without the hat. You're
26:28
Speaker 1: showing me the hat. Did that? Let me look at
26:32
Speaker 1: that ring video, Jackie. Did the hat come from the
26:34
Speaker 1: LA scene? Oh? Wait, yeah, they found the hat at
26:37
Speaker 1: the scene. That's how we got the DNA. Wow. Okay.
26:41
Speaker 1: So you have him sketched with his night red Nike
26:46
Speaker 1: hat and without and I see the haircut Michael Street,
26:52
Speaker 1: and it is amazing the way you have extrapolated the
26:57
Speaker 1: haircut from that ring video. It's amazing. I'm just looking
27:02
Speaker 1: at your details. He as a very distinct nose shape
27:06
Speaker 1: of his nose. So you don't have to tell me.
27:10
Speaker 1: I understand. You say a witness. It had to be
27:12
Speaker 1: a witness that saw the guy. So how do you
27:15
Speaker 1: go about doing something like this? To me? This is
27:19
Speaker 1: a ving goh my friend.
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Speaker 11: Well, you know, the thing is, Nancy, it's not always
27:23
Speaker 11: about the art. I mean, it helps if you have
27:25
Speaker 11: strong drawing skills. That way, you're not going to wind
27:28
Speaker 11: up on evening News as drawing one of the ten
27:30
Speaker 11: worst composites.
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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Do you hear what they say about
27:33
Speaker 1: the Federal court sketch artists. They never look anything like
27:37
Speaker 1: the people ever, you don't want that on the six Squat.
27:40
Speaker 11: News and this and this is what's so great about
27:43
Speaker 11: you know, composites and so great about what I do
27:45
Speaker 11: is because it's more of I think you're better artists
27:49
Speaker 11: out there have really great communication skills because you're dealing
27:52
Speaker 11: with people who have been traumatized, and you deal with
27:55
Speaker 11: sometimes people that don't realize what they've seen and who
27:58
Speaker 11: they've seen. So you're using two different methods to coax
28:03
Speaker 11: information out of people. You know, people that don't want
28:05
Speaker 11: to remember and people that can't remember because they don't
28:08
Speaker 11: realize what they've seen. So, you know, you try to
28:13
Speaker 11: go in with some sort of plan depending upon the
28:15
Speaker 11: eyewitness and the victim that you're talking to in terms
28:18
Speaker 11: of like an interview strategy, and at times that's going
28:22
Speaker 11: to change, and you have to be able to be
28:24
Speaker 11: flexible enough to change your communication style. You know, the
28:27
Speaker 11: words you use, you know, street phrases, depending upon who
28:31
Speaker 11: comes in. I've talked to, you know, in the Samantha
28:33
Speaker 11: Runyon case back in two thousand and two, my eyewitness
28:36
Speaker 11: of that kidnapping was a five year old girl.
28:38
Speaker 1: Wow, hold on, Samantha run In was a three year
28:41
Speaker 1: old little girl who was playing in her grandmother's front yard.
28:45
Speaker 1: Grandma at the kitchen sink. The prop comes up in
28:49
Speaker 1: the front yard and takes Samantha takes off with her.
28:54
Speaker 1: I believe they even went through like a McDonald's dry
28:57
Speaker 1: before he raped and murdered her mother and Runyon, he
29:01
Speaker 1: instead of letting it ruin her life as it easily
29:04
Speaker 1: could have, went on to become an amazing victims' rights advocate.
29:10
Speaker 1: So Samantha Runyon was playing with little friends in the
29:15
Speaker 1: front yard. That was your witness. That's amazing.
29:19
Speaker 11: So I went in in that case, whereas in this
29:23
Speaker 11: case they've got DNA, they were able to link to
29:25
Speaker 11: the la case and CODIS. In Samantha's case, there was
29:29
Speaker 11: no DNA, nothing left at the crime scene. In that case,
29:33
Speaker 11: the sketch led to the identity of the killer, in
29:36
Speaker 11: which case there was a collected DNA from him, and
29:38
Speaker 11: then match it to the DNA found at the crime scene.
29:41
Speaker 11: So this is different the fact that they've got the
29:43
Speaker 11: DNA but they don't he's the person's not in CODIS
29:47
Speaker 11: at this point. There's no way to identify him at
29:50
Speaker 11: this point. So they got the DNA, So now it's
29:52
Speaker 11: time for the sketch to go to work.
29:53
Speaker 1: How do you do a sketch? Just tell me how
29:56
Speaker 1: do you? Just you sketch a little bit like the
30:00
Speaker 1: person says, okay, he had dark hair and his ears
30:03
Speaker 1: were up high. So you start and then they say no,
30:06
Speaker 1: they weren't that high. And then what do you do?
30:10
Speaker 1: Do you do? You start it and show it to
30:12
Speaker 1: them and then they go no, no, no no or yeah
30:14
Speaker 1: yea yeah yeah. How do how do what's the process?
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Speaker 11: This whole process starts with trying to build rapport quickly,
30:23
Speaker 11: try to build a relationship with them quickly, get them
30:25
Speaker 11: to relax and trust you. When we start talking and
30:28
Speaker 11: I take them through the crime and I get them
30:30
Speaker 11: to focus.
30:30
Speaker 1: On the face so they tell you about the actual crime.
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Speaker 11: Yes, I like to talk to them about the crime
30:36
Speaker 11: minus the gory details, especially in sexual assault cases, so
30:40
Speaker 11: I can get some context in terms of how long
30:43
Speaker 11: they saw the person, what angle of observation, what the
30:46
Speaker 11: lighting was like, all things that can influence the final
30:50
Speaker 11: sketch in terms of how it shapes their memory. You know,
30:53
Speaker 11: for example, you know, parking lot lights, depending upon the
30:57
Speaker 11: bulb that's in there, will oftentimes affect the color of
31:00
Speaker 11: a suspect vehicle. It may not always be correct. A
31:03
Speaker 11: person who's you know, laying down and looking up at
31:06
Speaker 11: the suspect the foreshortening the face may cause the forehead
31:10
Speaker 11: to look higher, in the chin to look lower. So
31:11
Speaker 11: all these things are important in terms of how I
31:14
Speaker 11: developed the sketch. And then after they've described the face,
31:18
Speaker 11: then we go through and look at some reference pictures,
31:20
Speaker 11: pictures of previously arrested people having nothing to do with
31:23
Speaker 11: the case, and they pick out the most similar looking
31:26
Speaker 11: facial features and from that we assemble the sketch and
31:29
Speaker 11: go through their finding process. And all that time we're talking.
31:33
Speaker 11: We're talking about what they saw, we're talking about their children,
31:37
Speaker 11: we're talking about their careers, their life, and you know,
31:39
Speaker 11: things that just kind of keep them relaxed, you know,
31:42
Speaker 11: so they don't so they can keep that mind open
31:45
Speaker 11: and keep that information flowing. And right up until the end,
31:50
Speaker 11: you know, it takes maybe a couple hours, you know,
31:54
Speaker 11: door to door, and we come up with something that
31:56
Speaker 11: we hope that they're happy with.
31:57
Speaker 1: And at the end, do you say it's just him?
32:01
Speaker 1: And you asked them, is the nose ride or the
32:03
Speaker 1: eyes ride or the eyebrows right, there's a chin right,
32:06
Speaker 1: because I noticed he's got a square chin. That's significant.
32:09
Speaker 11: I asked them if they believe that this sketch that
32:12
Speaker 11: we worked hard, that they provide information for, is a
32:16
Speaker 11: sketch that they believe will be helpful to detectives in
32:19
Speaker 11: their investigation, because I don't want to put I want
32:23
Speaker 11: to I want to get some honest feeds back from them,
32:25
Speaker 11: and we work until they're happy. Because besides being a
32:29
Speaker 11: piece of evidence, it's also a psychological first aid tool
32:33
Speaker 11: for eyewitness and victims are traumatized. They feel like they're
32:37
Speaker 11: doing something affirmative to help the case. They're not sitting
32:39
Speaker 11: on the sidelines, you know, they're they're they're they're helping
32:43
Speaker 11: work on the case. And you know you talk about
32:45
Speaker 11: people looking at this sketch and knowing the person. Yeah,
32:51
Speaker 11: about three decades Agohen the Nightstalker was ravaging La. His
32:55
Speaker 11: roommate actually saw the sketch and he commented said, Hey,
32:59
Speaker 11: you think the sketch looks like me? And she said, yeah,
33:03
Speaker 11: but I don't think it's you because you don't have
33:05
Speaker 11: the guts to do what they're saying that you allegedly did.
33:07
Speaker 11: And she dismissed it, and he went on to continue
33:09
Speaker 11: raping and killing. So now he's compiled of sketches, especially
33:15
Speaker 11: in cases like Rachel Moren's, become the signature image.
33:18
Speaker 1: You know, one thing I noticed, Michael, is that in
33:22
Speaker 1: the ring video he's wearing a gold chain that's not
33:27
Speaker 1: in the sketch. Also, I've looked and looked and looked
33:30
Speaker 1: at it as is reflected in your sketch. I don't
33:34
Speaker 1: see him wearing an ear ring or a ring or
33:37
Speaker 1: anything on his hands. I don't see any tattoos, and
33:43
Speaker 1: there's no evidence that we've heard that he had as
33:45
Speaker 1: a tattoo, which would have really helped us locate him.
34:01
Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, you're hearing Michael Street,
34:06
Speaker 1: the sketch artist in this case, who went through an
34:11
Speaker 1: exhaustive interview and sketch process. He can't reveal who he
34:16
Speaker 1: spoke with. But did you hear him say it's a witness.
34:21
Speaker 1: He didn't say a victim. He said a witness, and
34:25
Speaker 1: that witness had the opportunity to view the purp. This
34:31
Speaker 1: purp is the killer of Rachel. Mourn him. Now you
34:38
Speaker 1: see him with his Jordan hat on. That's significant. If
34:42
Speaker 1: he's wearing it, then I guarantee you he's wearing a
34:46
Speaker 1: similar hat now right Think about it. People do the
34:52
Speaker 1: same thing over and over, Karen start I wear athletic
34:57
Speaker 1: tights every day and tennis shoes a certain kind of
35:01
Speaker 1: tennis ues Brooks and for reasons. And this guy, I
35:08
Speaker 1: guarantee you is somewhere right now with an athletic logo
35:13
Speaker 1: hat on his head, laughing because he hasn't been caught.
35:18
Speaker 1: He's a creature of habit. Karen Stark.
35:20
Speaker 9: Oh, I definitely agree, Nancy. And he's organized, he knows
35:25
Speaker 9: exactly what he wants to do. Somebody who understood that
35:30
Speaker 9: he could take Rachel and put her in a place
35:32
Speaker 9: where nobody would know where she was. This is somebody
35:35
Speaker 9: who really researched what he was about to do entering
35:39
Speaker 9: that home, and the sketch is just I hope everybody
35:44
Speaker 9: gets to.
35:45
Speaker 7: See it, you know what.
35:46
Speaker 1: I don't think we're really doing it justice about what
35:50
Speaker 1: happened to Rachel Mooren. And I don't like going into
35:54
Speaker 1: this kind of detail in front of a family member.
35:57
Speaker 1: Matt McMahon, but he knows that, and he is here
36:01
Speaker 1: with us today to help find her killer. Doctor Michelle
36:07
Speaker 1: Dupree is with US renowned forensic pathologists who shot to
36:11
Speaker 1: fame during the Alexian Murdog trial. Author of Money, Mischief
36:15
Speaker 1: and Murder, The Murdog Saga the rest of the story.
36:19
Speaker 1: I have her here today because she literally wrote the
36:21
Speaker 1: book Homicide Investigation Field Guide, Doctor Dupree. Let's get down
36:28
Speaker 1: to what this case is really about. What happened? What
36:32
Speaker 1: did this guy? This guy right here Michael Street has
36:37
Speaker 1: drawn for us in incredible detail. What did he do
36:41
Speaker 1: to Rachel.
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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy? He did horrific things. He obviously dragged her
36:47
Speaker 8: into this culvert against her will. He beat her. He
36:52
Speaker 8: hit her head with a rock, and he killed her
36:54
Speaker 8: right there.
36:55
Speaker 1: You know what, you're certainly sugar coating it, air brushing it.
37:00
Speaker 1: Beat her her face was caved in, doctor Dupree, with
37:08
Speaker 1: a rock. He is an animal, He is a savage.
37:12
Speaker 1: He didn't beat her like no, he beat her face
37:16
Speaker 1: in with a rock, Doctor Dupree, Yes.
37:20
Speaker 8: Nancy, he did. And that is a horrific way to die.
37:24
Speaker 8: It is a horrific crime, unimaginable that somebody can do
37:27
Speaker 8: that to another person.
37:29
Speaker 1: Visit Hill. What is her actual coeod cause of death.
37:33
Speaker 1: Is it strangulation? Is it stabbing? What is it?
37:36
Speaker 10: Nancy? The Harford County Sheriff's Office has not released that information,
37:40
Speaker 10: so we don't know exactly what her calls it death.
37:42
Speaker 1: Is well, it seems to me, doctor Michelle Dupree, you're
37:45
Speaker 1: the medical examiner, that if you're the orbital bones and
37:50
Speaker 1: the side of your skull are literally carved in, it
37:53
Speaker 1: would be too massive brain injury and bleeding.
37:56
Speaker 8: Yes, Nancy, would probably be blunt force trauma to traumatic
38:00
Speaker 8: brain injury.
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Speaker 1: Matt McMahon, I'm sorry because you're going through so much
38:08
Speaker 1: and having to hear the details over and over. How
38:12
Speaker 1: has that been explained to her children or has it.
38:16
Speaker 6: Been well the details to my daughter where we're lead
38:20
Speaker 6: directed to her from the Harvard County Sheriff's Department. My
38:23
Speaker 6: daughter and I went in and sat on the table
38:26
Speaker 6: with three of the investigators, so one of them was
38:29
Speaker 6: mister Lane, and they explained everything to Fay. She actually
38:36
Speaker 6: refused to leave the room to avoid any details because
38:40
Speaker 6: I did ask some pretty direct and pointed questions. So
38:44
Speaker 6: my daughter has heard all of the details. I'm not
38:48
Speaker 6: sure about how this was explained to the other children,
38:50
Speaker 6: just because they're not my children, and they were discussions
38:52
Speaker 6: that they had with their father.
38:54
Speaker 1: And they're so young too. The other children are so young.
38:58
Speaker 6: Matt, they are you know, eight, ten, twelve, and thirteen.
39:02
Speaker 1: I don't know that not a shrink, but I don't
39:05
Speaker 1: know that I would tell them all of that. I mean, Matt,
39:09
Speaker 1: even now, do you know. I have never gone back
39:12
Speaker 1: to the scene where my fiance was murdered because I
39:17
Speaker 1: think it would just be an emotional and mental overload
39:20
Speaker 1: for me because it was so devastating to me when
39:23
Speaker 1: he was murdered that I don't want to go back
39:26
Speaker 1: to that place. I mean, I've got children to raise.
39:30
Speaker 1: It's the emotional toll.
39:31
Speaker 6: My daughter, Fay, has not gone back to that trail
39:34
Speaker 6: since this has happened. Once she did, it was Memorial
39:36
Speaker 6: Walk where flowers real lead along the trail. That's the
39:39
Speaker 6: only time that she's gone back.
39:41
Speaker 1: Guys, the law enforcement are they've been holding a lot
39:45
Speaker 1: close to the vest I don't fault them for that.
39:48
Speaker 1: There are reasons that they've done that, reasons that directly
39:54
Speaker 1: relate to the investigation and the integrity of the investigation.
39:59
Speaker 1: How did we get the d listen to Captain Lane.
40:02
Speaker 2: In processing the scene, we recovered genetic material. That genetic
40:05
Speaker 2: material ultimately was entered into a system called COTIS, which
40:08
Speaker 2: is a national DNA database. COTIS contains not only no defenders,
40:12
Speaker 2: but it also contains DNA samples from other unsolved crimes
40:15
Speaker 2: with unknown suspects. COTIS was a huge break for us,
40:18
Speaker 2: and what we were able to do was link this
40:21
Speaker 2: crime to another unsolved crime in Los Angeles, which was
40:26
Speaker 2: a home invasion, and in that instance, that suspects left
40:30
Speaker 2: behind a hat and that hat was collected by the
40:35
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Police Department and DNA was located on that hat,
40:39
Speaker 2: and that DNA was entered into COTIS when we entered
40:41
Speaker 2: our sample in from our crime scene. Those two matched.
40:44
Speaker 2: So that allowed us ultimately to be able to recover
40:47
Speaker 2: video evidence that showed us who our suspect was and
40:50
Speaker 2: allowed us to link to crimes that occurred on opposite
40:53
Speaker 2: sides of the country.
40:54
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill with May Fox forty five there in Maryland,
40:57
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill on TV and big movies. The props are
41:02
Speaker 1: always so smart. This guy is not that smart. He
41:06
Speaker 1: left behind a hat and they are perfect vehicles for DNA.
41:10
Speaker 10: Yeah, it wasn't too smart. Nancy, I think he was
41:14
Speaker 10: trying to get out of that location there in Los
41:16
Speaker 10: Angeles in the hurry and not realizing, oh my god,
41:19
Speaker 10: I left my hat. They can figure out who I
41:23
Speaker 10: may be based on this hat. But on the flip side, Nancy,
41:26
Speaker 10: when you think about it, he mentioned CODs and unknown suspects.
41:30
Speaker 10: This guy has not been arrested for felony, whereas DNA
41:33
Speaker 10: would have been collected. So until he does that, he,
41:37
Speaker 10: like you said earlier, is watching and laughing and just
41:40
Speaker 10: going on about his life because he knows his name
41:43
Speaker 10: is not anywhere in his system until he gets caught
41:46
Speaker 10: for a felony.
41:48
Speaker 1: Tim Papa, do you agree for her FBI. I mean,
41:50
Speaker 1: he's not that smart and it maybe he's eluded us
41:54
Speaker 1: because he's left the country.
41:56
Speaker 6: I mean, I personally agree.
41:57
Speaker 4: I think part of it is we might just have
41:59
Speaker 4: a pretty and experienced defender. Maybe the plausible storyline is
42:04
Speaker 4: he committed the sack in La, learned from it, fled
42:08
Speaker 4: to the other side of the country, and so him
42:11
Speaker 4: being active in the woods and looking for a victim
42:14
Speaker 4: might be his response to breaking into a house doesn't work.
42:17
Speaker 11: Look what happens.
42:18
Speaker 4: There's cameras there's ways traces of me can be left.
42:22
Speaker 4: I mean, even looking at what you did to her,
42:25
Speaker 4: we don't know. Again, I see somebody who's panicking and
42:28
Speaker 4: thinks I need to take her life as quickly and
42:32
Speaker 4: aggressively as I can.
42:33
Speaker 1: Or maybe he realized he left witnesses behind and he's
42:38
Speaker 1: not going to leave witnesses to testify again in this case,
42:42
Speaker 1: and therefore murdered Rachel Moren. But we're getting also a view,
42:47
Speaker 1: a little more of a view of what exactly happened
42:51
Speaker 1: in la and it is violent. Listen to Captain Lane.
42:54
Speaker 2: This case is actively mistigated by the Los Angeles Police Department.
42:58
Speaker 2: That was also a violent attack. There's nothing that would
43:02
Speaker 2: point us the belief that it was anything other than
43:06
Speaker 2: a random attack. There were multiple people within that home
43:10
Speaker 2: who were injured, and there were minor children who were
43:16
Speaker 2: injured as well. I think that case, along with this case,
43:20
Speaker 2: highlight how dangerous this individual is and how important it
43:25
Speaker 2: is to locate him for public safety.
43:28
Speaker 1: Matt McMahon is joining us someone very near and dear
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Speaker 1: to Rachel Lauren, a mother of five. He's the dad
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Speaker 1: of her oldest daughter. Matt, I'm learning more about the
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Speaker 1: attack in la have police shared with you that knowledge.
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Speaker 6: I knew that it was an attack and that the
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Speaker 6: suspect was forced from the home. I do understand that
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Speaker 6: they're not only witnesses, but they're also victims as well.
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Speaker 1: Two family members were assaulted. We haven't been told it
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Speaker 1: was a sex attack, but I believe that it was.
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Speaker 1: A child wakes up. Here's something horrible going on. As
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, take a listen to Captain Andy Lane,
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Speaker 1: Commander Criminal Investigation Division.
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Speaker 2: The suspect, when he's in the home, winds up assaulting
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Speaker 2: two family members who were unable to defend themselves. A
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Speaker 2: third family member, who is a younger person, enters that
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Speaker 2: room and manages to surprise that person and manages to
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Speaker 2: surprise the suspects and begin to force him out of
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Speaker 2: the home. As the suspect flees the home, this individual
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Speaker 2: who is frightened and is scared and is a younger
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Speaker 2: person and doesn't understand why someone's in his home attacking
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Speaker 2: his family members. The suspect other people in the home
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Speaker 2: begin to wake up and he realizes now that there's
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Speaker 2: multiple people in the home. They're yelling at him. He's
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Speaker 2: trying to just exit the home, so as soon as
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Speaker 2: he leaves the door, that younger person who actually interrupted
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Speaker 2: the crime scene slams the door shut and locks it
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Speaker 2: and then immediately calls the police.
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, he even left without a shirt on.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Nancy, and that makes you wonder like, was there
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Speaker 9: seems to be something under his arm?
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Speaker 7: Was he wearing a jacket and they pulled it off?
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Speaker 9: But if you look at that video, Nancy, this guy
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Speaker 9: has ice in his veins, not blood, because he's not
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Speaker 9: even running away from the house. He's kind of sauntering off.
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Speaker 9: He has no feelings. It's like, Okay, I got caught
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Speaker 9: this time, but you know I'll do it again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not in a hurry at all, which is
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Speaker 1: an incredible observation and gives me another window into his identity.
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Speaker 1: Jessica Garth, chief of the Special Victims' Family Violence Unit
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Speaker 1: in Prince George County. There in Maryland this jurisdiction. Can
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Speaker 1: you compare and contrast what we know about the lay
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Speaker 1: attack Brazen, what we know about the attack on Rachel
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Speaker 1: Mooren Brazen to add to his identity, what does it tell.
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Speaker 7: One hundred percent? Braven is the first thing I think
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Speaker 7: that we can land on here the attack in La
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Speaker 7: is on he'd breaks into a home in the night
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Speaker 7: where you know people are home and they're sleeping, And
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Speaker 7: I agree with you, Nancy. We don't think they've released
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Speaker 7: what kind of attack it was, but there are only
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Speaker 7: so many reasons why you break into somebody's home at night.
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Speaker 7: Certainly a sexual assault at the top of that list.
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Speaker 7: If he did attack women in the home, and he
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Speaker 7: attacked Rachel Moore, and here, you know, we can compare
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Speaker 7: that he's attacking vulnerable victims. In our society. Women are
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Speaker 7: still more vulnerable than then when it comes to physical attacks,
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Speaker 7: certainly when we're talking about a male attacker. But breaking
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Speaker 7: into that home in the middle of the night, he
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Speaker 7: picked a time when they were unlikely to be people
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Speaker 7: on the street, people unlikely to see him breaking into
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Speaker 7: the home. Looking at the attack here in Maryland, you
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Speaker 7: know he picked a spot on the trail where he'd
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Speaker 7: be able to surprise Rachel and get her quickly off
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Speaker 7: the trail, where even if there were other people around,
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Speaker 7: he'd be able to get her to that private area
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Speaker 7: without them being able to see what he was doing.
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Speaker 7: And some of the other commenters have mentioned that he's
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Speaker 7: seems to be evolving, and I also agree with that one.
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Speaker 7: Leaving his hat behind at the first scene was a
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Speaker 7: huge mistake. Leading his DNA behind with Rachel is another
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Speaker 7: huge mistake, and it's the only reason why with any
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Speaker 7: idea who he is. But I fear what he might
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Speaker 7: do if there is a third attack or another victim,
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Speaker 7: because we might not be as lucky getting the evidence
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Speaker 7: that we have in these two cases.
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Speaker 1: My experience with random attackers, they can't stop, They cannot
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Speaker 1: stop themselves until he's caught. He is a threat. If
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Speaker 1: you have information or think you have information on this man,
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Speaker 1: as drawn by Michael Street, beautifully drawn. I might add,
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Speaker 1: there is a thirty five thousand dollar reward. This guy
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Speaker 1: was in and about Hartford. He ate there, he shot there,
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Speaker 1: he went to the gas station. Who is see somebody
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Speaker 1: knows him. Thirty five thousand dollars reward tipline toll free
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Speaker 1: one eight eight eight five four zero eight four seven
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Speaker 1: seven repeat eight eight eight five four zero eight four
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Speaker 1: seven seven. Rachel Morin's children me justice so they can
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Speaker 1: live their lives. Goodbye.