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Growing Up as Bentley Evans' Daughter - KyLee Evans | Born To The Game Podcast · Born To The Game Podcast

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  Speaker 1: But it was so bizarre that when I was trigger
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  Speaker 1: treating for Halloween, Britney Spears came up to me and
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  Speaker 1: she was like, oh my god, this is the most
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  Speaker 1: amazing costume I ever. Now I gotta do her accent
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, like, oh my god, this is amazing. Donjon.
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  Speaker 2: This is on to the games.
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  Speaker 1: Beat in every beating mine with the press and Peak.
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  Speaker 3: We're running our bus and the time LANs on but
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  Speaker 3: Tay reatime be along. On to the game, carrying in
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  Speaker 3: the plane.
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  Speaker 2: It goes off the path, but it's a Norday were
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  Speaker 2: running that Proclane. This is on to the game, Lena Export,
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Born to the Game. Produced by Archamedia Group
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  Speaker 2: in collaboration with Inflection Network and distributed through iHeartMedia. This
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  Speaker 2: is a space where the children of iconic athletes, entertainers,
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  Speaker 2: and cultural figures share the truth behind legacy, not just
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  Speaker 2: what their parents did, but who they were and how
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  Speaker 2: that legacy continues. Today's guest grew up surrounded by some
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  Speaker 2: of the most influential storytelling in television history.
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  Speaker 3: Her father, Bentley Evans, helped create and shape shows that
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  Speaker 3: define generations, Martin, The Jamie Fox Show, and more.
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  Speaker 2: But today's conversation is about identity, creativity and carving your
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  Speaker 2: own lane. Please welcome, Ki, Thank you guys. Are you
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  Speaker 2: coming in here? Dressing off? Dress? Dress?
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  Speaker 1: You guys? You guys are just too cool.
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  Speaker 2: We love fashion. It seems like you like fashion.
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  Speaker 1: I love fashion.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that. Yeah, you look dope.
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  Speaker 1: You know a lot of people didn't appreciate it when
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  Speaker 1: I was growing up, but you know, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm my own self now and people appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. I mean, you look just absolutely just
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  Speaker 2: stunning it and influence. I love the grill.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you want one?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? We all, I was looking at.
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  Speaker 1: This white gold, I would I would suggest the white
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  Speaker 1: gold stands out because it has that like hue of gold,
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  Speaker 1: but it's also kind of like the platinum looks. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you get kind of both in the lighting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeahchos, I'm really into the short looks.
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  Speaker 1: Little leather shorts.
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  Speaker 2: Make sure to steal that. So do we want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about your upbringing and how it was having someone
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  Speaker 2: like Bentley Evans as your dad who makes such an
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  Speaker 2: impact on our culture. So how was that growing up
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  Speaker 2: and just witnessing all that greatness?
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  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, my dad's great. I love he's my dad,
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  Speaker 1: you know. But growing up, I will say I didn't
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  Speaker 1: understand the cultural impact of what he did because, to
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  Speaker 1: be fair, I thought he was an NBA player and
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  Speaker 1: they just didn't have the footage for some reason. And
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  Speaker 1: because that made more sense to me than a six
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  Speaker 1: foot five television writer, I was like, oh, okay, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: But no, Yeah, he's a significant figure in my life.
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  Speaker 1: He's a great mentor to me. And yeah, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: so proud of all the work he's doing and has
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  Speaker 1: continued to do for I guess thirty years now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, So what did creativity look like in your house? Man?
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  Speaker 1: Creativity was pretty rampant in my household, like very supportive,
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  Speaker 1: Like from childhood. I was able to do like little
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  Speaker 1: mini plays and learn how to do piano all on
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  Speaker 1: my own, and my parents supported creativity since the start.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you a little funny story. My dad had
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  Speaker 1: this Jamie Fox stunt dummy and we kept it in
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  Speaker 1: the house and whenever we wanted to do like a funny,
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  Speaker 1: like little silly scene, we would use him and we
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  Speaker 1: would have him, you know, fall out of a tree
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  Speaker 1: or fall off the balcony.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We would use him as a literal stunt in our
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  Speaker 1: little short films and people are like, Billy, we might
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  Speaker 1: need to call you know. Yes, I was just a dummy.
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  Speaker 1: It's a dummy. It's a dummy. Okay, but yeah it
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  Speaker 1: was We were just we were just you know, free
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  Speaker 1: spirited kids, and our parents always supported that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: whether it was my mom letting us rummage through her
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  Speaker 1: closet or wardrobe. And now you know, suddenly were these
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  Speaker 1: were these ten year olds dressed in mink coats pretending
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  Speaker 1: to be in a new noir, you know, doing nineteen thirties,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just fun short films. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So when did you realize that he wrote one
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  Speaker 2: of the most influential series.
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  Speaker 3: Of our upbringing our life, Like all the shows were,
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  Speaker 3: I was glued to the TV.
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  Speaker 2: That's literally like my childhood. Wow. We my husband still
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  Speaker 2: watches all yeah, I watch everything. Oh yeah, absolutely? Oh man,
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  Speaker 2: what was that first moment for you realize?
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, it's when he popped up his almond brown in
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  Speaker 1: the DMV episode of Martin.
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  Speaker 2: So he's at home watching it, like just watching TV,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, I.
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  Speaker 1: Was just like that dude looks familiar? Are you like
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  Speaker 1: browny am I and I was like, Dad, No, I
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  Speaker 1: was like he was like, oh yeah, I was. You
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  Speaker 1: know I was on Martin back in the day and
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  Speaker 1: I also show Ran and I was like what age?
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  Speaker 2: What age are you when you are watching?
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  Speaker 1: I want to say, like ten, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: That's ten years old. I can remember. Like, but like
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  Speaker 2: you don't think you're like watching it not knowing that
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  Speaker 2: your dad.
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  Speaker 1: No, because he never bragged about it. He never bragged
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  Speaker 1: about it. It was just something like we ended up watching
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  Speaker 1: and we would see him and he'd be like you
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  Speaker 1: notice anybody familiar. I'm like, yeah, it's you. Yeah, or
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  Speaker 1: like Jamie Fox Show, like seeing him at the end
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  Speaker 1: credits and his production company and he's on the Hammock
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  Speaker 1: as an animation. I was like, whoa, this is my dad,
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  Speaker 1: Like who is he other than who I know him
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  Speaker 1: to be. So was just kind of random in that way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He never was just like I'm this so and so guy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was pretty natural.
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  Speaker 2: When you so, when you find out that he is
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  Speaker 2: this creative genius, Yeah, that spark your desire to fill
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  Speaker 2: those shoes and follow his footsteps.
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  Speaker 1: It definitely inspired me for sure. You know, seeing my
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  Speaker 1: dad day in and day out. Just like writing his
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  Speaker 1: ass off was very inspiring for me, and he's always
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  Speaker 1: just been like this creative mentor who's allowed me to
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  Speaker 1: just have a say and have a voice, especially as
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  Speaker 1: a woman. That's very important as a black woman. But
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  Speaker 1: just like working with him, working for him just in
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  Speaker 1: the television space in general has been so rewarding because
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't just feel like he's my dad. It feels
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  Speaker 1: like I'm actually collaborating with somebody who respects me talent.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, he's He's great.
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  Speaker 2: So what age did you realize that this was a
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  Speaker 2: passion of yours as well?
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  Speaker 1: What age? Okay, this is kind of out of left field.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 1: When I watched Raven Simone, okay, I think us two
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  Speaker 1: thousands babies or two thousands kids can really relate to
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  Speaker 1: how you know, much of a comedic genius she is
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  Speaker 1: and how she's like the physical comedy queen. She's this
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  Speaker 1: generation's Lucille Ball. And then watching her on TV on Disney,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I have to write for her.
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  Speaker 1: I have to write in comedy. I want to do
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  Speaker 1: sitcom like I want to emulate that somehow in TV
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, she's one of my main inspirations.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, So was there a particular skill or something
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  Speaker 2: that your dad did when he was writing that just
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  Speaker 2: like gravitated towards you and like stuck with you as
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  Speaker 2: you are pursuing your own just career in writing, Like
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  Speaker 2: what did you see him do that? You were like,
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  Speaker 2: I want to emulate that.
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  Speaker 1: My dad's very confident. He's a leo like you, does
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  Speaker 1: not like to take no for an answer. And I
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  Speaker 1: kind of gained that confidence to just you know, have
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  Speaker 1: my voice be heard and be kind of unapologetic about it.
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  Speaker 1: I think in the industry we can kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: be categorized or identified as being a bitch and no,
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  Speaker 1: you're just a boss. How about that?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 1: And he would always tell me be the loudest in
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  Speaker 1: the room, Be the loudest in the room, Be the
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  Speaker 1: loudest in the room. And I think I started off
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  Speaker 1: in the industry at well, I was like nineteen when
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  Speaker 1: I started working like at MTV and at the Bounce
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  Speaker 1: Network with my dad, and I was very shy at first,
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  Speaker 1: but then when I realized, like, oh, I can be funny,
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  Speaker 1: Like my jokes matter just as much as these TV
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  Speaker 1: vets do and that really helped like garner my confidence
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  Speaker 1: just throughout my entire life. So I'm very thankful for that.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm curious because I mean, I don't know much
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  Speaker 2: about the writing industry. So is it that? So do writers?
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  Speaker 2: You guys sit at home and you have pinned to
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  Speaker 2: paper or you're on your computer and you're just writing
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  Speaker 2: a story. You complete it, and then you pitch it
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  Speaker 2: to someone or to a network or to.
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  Speaker 1: Well no, so how does that work? We first come
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  Speaker 1: together and like congregate in.
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  Speaker 2: The writer's room.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we all meet each other. It's a nice little intro,
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  Speaker 1: and then we pitch ideas and then my dad, being
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  Speaker 1: the showrunner and director for most of his projects, he
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  Speaker 1: basically kind of divvys out each episode to us, and
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  Speaker 1: then we go home and write it, and then we
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  Speaker 1: come back maybe a week two weeks later, and we
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  Speaker 1: have like a little table read in the writer's room,
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  Speaker 1: and then we just punch it up and make it
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  Speaker 1: better than it already is.
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  Speaker 3: So what about the character development though? Yeah, who creates
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  Speaker 3: the characters? Is it figments of your imagination? Is it
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  Speaker 3: a collaboration?
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  Speaker 2: Like how does that happen?
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  Speaker 1: I think it depends. Most of the shows that I've
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  Speaker 1: come on to already have like a like a world
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  Speaker 1: that's already been developed or existed. So usually it'll we
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  Speaker 1: will come in and we would read the pilot and
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  Speaker 1: we would kind of know the characters from there. But
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  Speaker 1: if we're kind of starting off from scratch, yeah, we're
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  Speaker 1: pitching ideas or pitching who these characters are to the showrunner,
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  Speaker 1: to the network, to the production company and just sort
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  Speaker 1: of figuring it out through that lens.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, before we dive into the expectation that surrounds
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  Speaker 2: just being Bentley's daughter. Yeah, just the pressure that comes
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  Speaker 2: with it. How when you look back and you in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six can go on TV and pull up
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  Speaker 2: Martin and the Jamie Fowk Show, How does that make
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  Speaker 2: you feel?
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  Speaker 1: It makes me feel really proud to just have a
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  Speaker 1: dad that's done so much, not just in Black Hollywood,
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  Speaker 1: but just in Hollywood in general, and has had such
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  Speaker 1: a cultural impact and has made such a cultural statement
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  Speaker 1: that I can and you know, brag a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a little humble brag, like that's so cool
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  Speaker 1: that my dad show ran Martin.
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  Speaker 2: You do not need to be humble.
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  Speaker 3: An opportunity that it created for the generation. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it was the blue Press, absolutely, and the TV hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been the same since. So to me, it's like, there's
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  Speaker 3: there's no need to be humble because without those shows,
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  Speaker 3: our culture would not be who we are today. TV
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  Speaker 3: would not be what it is today.
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  Speaker 1: So hey, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I also somebody told me one time they were like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Martin was like the first black rom com
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  Speaker 1: on TV. Yes, like as a television show, it's the
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  Speaker 1: first black rom com. I was like, really, so my
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  Speaker 1: dad not only you know, contributed to such a historical
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  Speaker 1: piece of television, but he also kind of fused his
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  Speaker 1: own genre to Like, that's so.
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  Speaker 3: Cool and and what that means, because that means we're
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  Speaker 3: as a community, we are seeing ourselves not you know,
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  Speaker 3: stressed out broken, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: We're funny and we were living light and.
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  Speaker 3: We're laughing and that means everything because of the joy
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  Speaker 3: that it brought to our home. Like I've probably I
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  Speaker 3: have seen every episode of all of the shows.
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  Speaker 2: Watches it. Yeah, Like he my husband's in the sports world,
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  Speaker 2: the shows that he watches to unwind, are these shows really?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's amazing today.
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  Speaker 2: It's just it's it's comfort.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would say the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's comfort.
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  Speaker 3: So what was normal to you growing up? That was
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  Speaker 3: just not normal to anybody else? What was normal to
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  Speaker 3: me that my people by this thing is like, oh
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  Speaker 3: my gosh, no way, but was normal to you?
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  Speaker 1: And I'll give them a plug. My best friends are
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  Speaker 1: actually Martin's kids. Yeah, shout out to Jazzmine, Ayana Amara.
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  Speaker 3: Oh whenever, Okay, yeah, everyone, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, listen you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're my best friends. So I grew up because
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  Speaker 1: my dad and Martin were very close and growing up
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  Speaker 1: they actually met auditioning together and then they kind of
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  Speaker 1: just became friends in the process of it. And if
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting the story correct, Martin got the show and
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  Speaker 1: you know, came to my dad and was like, hey, like,
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  Speaker 1: show me what you can do. I want to bring
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  Speaker 1: my friend in who gets my comedy. And I just
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  Speaker 1: came out to LA and now I get a show.
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  Speaker 1: I want somebody who I can connect with, but who
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  Speaker 1: also knows La, who also knows the industry and what
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  Speaker 1: you know, sort of how you have to navigate through it.
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  Speaker 1: And my dad was like, oh yeah, I'll show you
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  Speaker 1: a few scripts, and Martin read them and was like,
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  Speaker 1: this dude is very, very talented. I want to bring
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  Speaker 1: him in. And he was only like twenty four. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So all of the TV producers were like, hell, no,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know who this kid is. But Martin was
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  Speaker 1: so adamant about having his on there.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: To where my dad was able to get into the room. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And it was very much an anomaly, especially for the nineties. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and so yeah, so we kind of are
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  Speaker 1: are having that same relationship in our early twenties or
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  Speaker 1: not early twenties, but in our twenties in general as friends,
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  Speaker 1: as cousins. I call them my little play cousins. So
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  Speaker 1: we're kind of like emulating their relationship at that time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love that. We'll let's get into just
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  Speaker 2: the pressure and the expectation that comes with being a
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  Speaker 2: daughter of someone as influential as your father. Yeah, what
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  Speaker 2: pressure do you think you faced? Was it external, internal
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  Speaker 2: or or both? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I would say it's both. I think I
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  Speaker 1: am unfortunately a perfectionist, so I kind of feel like
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  Speaker 1: I have to have control over everything. I know, if
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  Speaker 1: it's OCD, I don't know. If it's just like the
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  Speaker 1: environment I grew up in. But I always feel like
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  Speaker 1: it has to be this way or it's not good,
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  Speaker 1: and that's not true. I feel like, if you're just
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  Speaker 1: going out on a limb and you're motivated to do
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  Speaker 1: something and you get the goal done, that can be perfect,
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  Speaker 1: that can be okay. And I guess like the external
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  Speaker 1: pressures I felt from, you know, not in my household,
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  Speaker 1: because my parents were very supportive of whatever I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do, but I think just hearing like, oh, are
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  Speaker 1: you gonna fall in your dad's footsteps? Are you gonna
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  Speaker 1: be in TV? And I was like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. But I always wanted to make my
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  Speaker 1: parents proud. But I also knew that I had a
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  Speaker 1: innate talent to write and to be a creative, so
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  Speaker 1: it came naturally. It wasn't just inauthentic or like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I have to, you know, carry on the legacy. I
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  Speaker 1: could have carried on the legacy with whatever I did,
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  Speaker 1: but I think this was just a natural trajectory for me.
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  Speaker 2: When did you write your first script?
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  Speaker 1: I wrote my first gript when I was like eleven
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  Speaker 1: years old. It was called Mister Perfect. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about you know, the premise. It was kind
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  Speaker 1: of stupid, but.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not stupid. Eleven years old write the script? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't doing that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was a short film. Never got done because some
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  Speaker 1: of it was a little legible, but it's okay, okay. Yeah, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: so I got it done.
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  Speaker 2: Did your dad teach you how to like format it? Like?
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  Speaker 2: How did you write it?
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  Speaker 1: I learned on my own. Wow, like YouTube videos my
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  Speaker 1: best friend, you know, so I learned how to format
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  Speaker 1: just like like watching how you format script?
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  Speaker 2: Did you to your dad when it was done?
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  Speaker 1: I did. I was so nervous, I was shaking.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh dad, this is the show. I'm
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  Speaker 2: so proud.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you're so proud. It's like, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: this is, but this is nice, good job.
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  Speaker 2: But it looks it looks okay, it looks okay. So
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  Speaker 2: that was my.
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  Speaker 1: First, like I guess, like unprofessional script. But my first
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  Speaker 1: script I did was called Uh. It was for a
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  Speaker 1: show called Grown Folks and it was starring Gary G.
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  Speaker 1: Thing Johnson, J Phillips.
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  Speaker 2: I love you.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: They're so he'soilarious.
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  Speaker 1: Thing's hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: He's so hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he had a season of a show
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  Speaker 1: called Grown Folks and I wrote two scripts for it.
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  Speaker 1: Those were my first televised episodes of anything, and I
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  Speaker 1: did that when I was nineteen. Yeah, it was a
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  Speaker 1: crazy experience, but my dad let me write all the jokes.
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  Speaker 1: I was very uncensored, and yeah, he wasn't, you know, embarrassed.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: He was very proud that I was able to get
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: it done.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: So what is the process of writing jokes? Like, how
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: does that? Like? I'm intrigued.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really comes from just knowing the formula, set
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: up punchline, but also kind of understanding someone's voice like Gary,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: as you know, is a very off the cuff on
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: him filter hilarious and so yeah, exactly. So you know
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: you're not writing for somebody like you know, Larry David,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: You're writing for g things. So he's gonna be a
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: little louder, he's gonna be a little bit more irreverent.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: And so I think just kind of honing in on
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: character as well as just okay, what would they naturally say?
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: How do you hear this in your head? That's how
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you're able to tell a joke.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: That's a gift like, that's that's that's kind of hard
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: to do because what if you don't I mean, you
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: have to research the person, right, because if you don't
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: know them, you know what I mean?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I guess so, I I guess I
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: just kind of felt that natural ability to adapt to
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: certain people and understand their humor and yeah, and just
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and just write it. I don't know, like cool.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Do you think writing is a natural gift or do
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: you think it's something that you can study and practice
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: to become good at.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I definitely think you can practice and study and be
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: good at it. But I think for the people it
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: comes natural to you don't have to study as hard.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: You just get the script and you're like, well, here
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: it is, let me turn.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Do you think that was your dad? Was dat somebody
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: who was just a natural writer?
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I think I think he would say that it took
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: him some time to learn how to do it. But
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: my dad's naturally funny. Yeah, he's hilarious.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: So I think if you have like a natural comedic
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: edge to you, it makes it so much easier to
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: write for sitcom than it is for somebody who writes procedurals.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: You know, So, do you.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Think you that's going to be your lane or do
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: you think you could branch out into something that wasn't comedic.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I would love to be in any genre that pays money.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Was yes, very cool.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: So writers, you guys are off screen. Have you ever
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: had a desire to be on the screen?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, guys. I did do a little cameo, a little
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: two guest starring roles in the Cut, another show that
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: my dad did, starring Dorian Wilson Khalita Smith, you know
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: from Bernie Mack Show. And I played a character called
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: jerik Astar, Jericha's star.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Oh god what?
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I know you?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I know you?
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: But just okay, so plug in Jericha star in the Cut.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll send you, guys some episodes. I can't
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: find it there.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: The people know that we are and you're gonna how
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I spelled Jericha jerik a Star.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I think it's two rs. You know she was that extra.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: It's two ours for a star I did.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I did, Okay.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I was completely different than who Kylie is.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I love just embodying a character that's so different that
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you can just play.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: You know, there's something freeing about being able to express
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: yourself in writing or even on camera. Yeah.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, because I feel like I'm so like rigid and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: so like controlling that I'm able to let go Oh
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: my god, I will say and anything I do, okay.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: So just having the freedom to mess around and be
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: you know, and to do improv and to just be funny,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: just to be Kylie. Yeah, that that was super fun.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: She's a like a love and hip hop gen Z influence,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: That's all I'll say. And I have actually two different wigs.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: The wig bundle something.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: You were a totally different person completely. Maybe I need
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: to I'm telling you it's it'll change you, it can
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: change it.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If I put on a wig and walk in
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: this room, I feel like, no, please do it, please
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: do it. I'm be like, get out, let's take it off,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: and certain people can handle her like I don't want to.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: You're like, you know what change?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I don't want to take it off. Matter fact, let
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: me rip it off and that's her wig off. Perfect.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I think this perfectly segues into some games. Yes, let's
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: do it, let's let's do it the game, let's play
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: this or that? Okay, you give a no, no, no,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I lied. I want to play to stuff.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: It's truth, said a lie, but we flipped. We flipped it. Okay,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: so it's too truth to that, Okay, but we we flipped.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I want to see how good she is that line.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I'm surprisingly good at it, guys. Okay, yes, okay, okay.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: The first thing is, the first thing that actually happened
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to me is when I was a little kid, I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: dressed up as this crazy costume. I was like a
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: baby and a mom at the same time. I can't
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: even explain that to you. You're just gonna have to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: look it up. But it was so bizarre that when
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I was trigger treating for Halloween, Britney Spears came up
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to me and she was like, oh my god, this
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: is the most amazing costume ever. No, I gotta do
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: her accent a little bit like this. And she was
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: looking two sons, who are like four and five at
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the time, and she's like, I have to have a
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: picture with us and my sons, and yeah, we got
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the picture.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Now this is a lie. I'm gonna fall on this floor. Okay,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: that's the lie. I'm gonna fall out right because it
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: was so because that was so convincing that if I
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: If that's not true, I'm gonna walk out.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: So we got two more after that? Two more okay, Okay.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Then another one is hmm I went to Cardi B's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: baby shower in twenty eighteen with Jason Lee.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, what's the third one?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And then the third one is I went scuba diving
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: with sharks and Hawaii. Guys, this is making me nervous.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I'm nervous. I don't realize I'm really good at this game,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: and I feel like I'm gonna lose.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna be harder than you think? Guys? Oh,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: a house divided?
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Wait, so which one was? Which one's the lie? Oh? God,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: this is the lie? You won? I won? Wait? Wait
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: you won? Yeah?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: She won?
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Wait? Who won?
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: This is a lie? This the wars? Yeah yeah, let's
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: unpack that.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Britney, you had a costume that you were the mom
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: and the baby the same time Britney Spears walks down
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: the street and takes a picture of you.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she wanted to be a picture with her
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: son and your sons and me in this costume.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: To be fair, I was tricker tread It was very bougie.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: It was tricker treating in Beverly Park because that that
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I was trigger treating with Martin's kids, so of course
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: they were in that area. Yeah, and uh yeah, Britney Spears.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: She was dressed in a black witch's costume and she
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: came up to me and she was so appalled.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: She was like, how old were you?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I was around eleven or twelve.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: That's the true, so iconic, because I would love to
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: just it was the right. It was the impersonation. That's
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: only that's like, this might not be a lie.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: That's the true.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: It was that happened.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: But what I don't like about the whole story is
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that I didn't get the picture she you know, the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: old yea Kylie, it's her. I'm in her house, though,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: where were you? I'm blaming him too, I'm blaming mister.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: And then and then you went to Cardi Carti is
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: our girl.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love car I love Cardi So like baby Shower, Yes,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: which baby it was?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: It was? It was culture was this culture's baby shower.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I was like twenty twenty one at the time. And
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it was during uh, it was during Wild and Out
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: when I worked for Wild and Out.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, let's talk about we love Carty. We'll
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: talk about that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: And Jason Lee. Jason Lee and I were really randomly
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: close on the show and he was like, I want
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to take you somewhere. I was like, okay, cool. Well
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: he didn't tell me where it was. He was like,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: just get dressed, look, look ready, look presentable.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Present I can see him saying and looking to look presentable,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: look ready ready.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And we get there and I'm like, we're at Cardis No.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I'm literally, well, it's not at Cardi's house. I was
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like at this event space. But we walk in and
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I'm just sitting down and I just thought it was
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: like something normal, and then Monica and little Mama are
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: sitting next to me. I'm like, what's going on? And
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: then Cardi comes out with offset and she's pregnant. I'm like,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: oh I met her baby, sit like that, that's happening.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: And Jason was like, keep your cool.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Jason, with all due respects, like I was born to this,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: but also can you warn me? He did at least
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: tell her to like look look for.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I was young too, so of course I probably would
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: have been star struck by anything.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Carti of course.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Just come out. Yeah, so you know, still a storyteller.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: You're just a storyteller. I want to just sit here
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: and let you just tell us. Let's do this or that.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so let's just go right to messy opinions.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Please, Oh my god, don't give me in trouble.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So do you want to play too, yes, okay,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: this is messy opinions?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: This or that?
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: So number one say it to their face or talk
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: it out in the group chat.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Say it to their face.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, say it to their face.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Cut them off or give them all. Cut them off. Sorry,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: she didn't even let you finishes.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, the clean cut off anyway, cut them off, or
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: give them a chance, one more chance, one more chance.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Not tourists.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: What do you think that's the thing. I'm over here, captain. Okay,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: as if I gave people a thousand chance. So I'm
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: gonna just be authentic.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Very empathetic of you lying, Okay, Being right or keeping
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: the peace.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: My gosh, depends on the situation. If we let's say,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: if you was my husband, I need.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: To be right, okay, Okay, I love the honesty.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know it was like anybody else. You know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: you can keep the peace.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I love being right, and I think most of the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: time I am. You know, I would keep the peace.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: But also by being right the peace exactly.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: It makes sense to me. It makes total sense, total sense.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Here we go, loyalty to friends or loyalty to your partner.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, that's tough. I have to choose one. I mean,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I'm married. I'm choosing loyalty to my husband, Mike.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna be loyal to my friends,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: because you know, partners do come and go, but your friendships,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: my inner circle. I have great discernment. My inner circle
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: have known me since I was a child, So I
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: can't just let that go.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I am with you.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: You're not girl.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, this is really light. So we're just gonna do
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: a couple of these and move onto something else.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, coffee or tea.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Tea, tea London fog to be exact, London.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very got that strong in the phone, and
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: it's great, sweeter, savory, sweet savory.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Okay. The Netflix binge or movie theater.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Movie theater all day. I'm very like old school in
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that way.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I can see that Netflix for me. I know you
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: at Netflix, you know Netflix, what do you.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Watch on Netflix.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, So I just recently finished Runaway. That was
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: a good series. Was and His and Hers on Netflix
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: was great. It has a really good twist at the end.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I love shows that a good twist. Yeah, Like I
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: need I need this to just smack me in the.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Face twist to be shocking.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I need my job be on the floor. What was that?
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I need my wig snatch? So what are you watching?
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: What are you watching?
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of a sinophile, so I do like to
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: watch a lot of like Criterion movies, but as far
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: as like TV shows, I'm kind of dark with it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, So when you say dark, what do you mean,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: like you know gory?
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know those documentaries true crime, true true crime,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you know because like the fictitious Yes, okay, the fictitious crime.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Like it's cool, but it's like I don't feeling that
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: kind of yeah, first forty eight. I love a good documentary,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: especially on Netflix. I want to feel like I have
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to lock my.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Door really now.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I want to scare myself a little bit because there's
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: like a realism to it to where you stay aware
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: of everything that's going on like around you, you know,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: like you was fun, but it's like.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: You while I'm like, okay, it's a little unrealistic.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a little unrealistic at the end.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: It was unrealistic. I think that's why I didn't really okay,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: But the first two seasons I thought were.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if there's like an extraor neighbor killer, oh
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that's my yah.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But do you like the movies where it's like
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: gory to the point where like they're slice in the
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: throat and blood's like squirting out, like it.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: It's just too fake. You know. I'm not, like, you know,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: romanticizing it by any means, but I just like knowing
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: what actually happens, and so I'm always just kind of
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: like skeptical about people around me.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Does that give you inspiration to write, like when you
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: see real things happening.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. It gives me sort of like a
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: character deep dive into how people can switch and why,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and you know, what makes a narcissist, what makes a sociopath.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: That's very interesting to me. Like in another life, I was,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: you know, probably doing detective work or something like that.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: So that's the way you're.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Studying in a sense, Yeah, perfecting your craft.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, developing a character, yet.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Not think of that as a great question. Would never
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: have thought that. Yeah, okay, very cool.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's keep it moving. Let's see, let's move on
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: to personality and values. Yes, plan everything or go with
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: the flow.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: That's a hard one now, thirty thirty four. I'm a mom,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: so I need a plan. I can't really go with
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: the flow.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Now I would say go to flow. Yeah, I'm late twenties,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I can still go with the flower. Continue, Yeah,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: continue and thirty you gotta change it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Big risk or safe choices? Safe choices. I'm not a
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: risk taker.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I'm a risk taker adrenaline junkie.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: So you're gonna skydive?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely?
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Oh girl, she likes to scare herself.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you already know. That's part of my you know character.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Like jump off of a cliff, like like bungee jump
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: off of a cliff.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I would I remember I saw like Dennis Rodman on
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: TV doing that and he like he sorry, this is
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: not say what happened to Dennis, But he slammed into
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: a cliff. So I would never do that. But sky dave,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't know.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: He too big to be doing that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, way too big, but he also like was he was.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: He was also in North Korea. Guy, So you just
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: don't do it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Okay, this last, but not least, this is
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: spicy debate starters. Okay. So fame or privacy, privacy, privacy? Yeah,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I'd say privacy pacy.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: You know, it's nice to you know, be popular and
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: all these things, but I feel like if you get
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: too famous, you will never have your privacy.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I just think people are, you know, weird, and I
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: just like the way the world is. I just feel
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: like crawling into a whole.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I would definitely want to be rich and nobody know
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: me correct.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Definitely, So like like Oprah or Gail.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah maybe Gail, maybe more because I want to all
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: my you know what I'm saying, I would love that.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, So truth or peace, that's a good one.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I like truth, like I love people who are authent
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: who are authentic, Give me some truth. I would say truth,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: even if it's a heart truth. I'd rather you're the heart.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Truth because your truth is going to give you peace
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: is one hundred percent.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, Love or career? Love career? You know what
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, I'm gonna give you a high five. Two
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: got married. I can't. What do I look like saying career.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: She loved a husband?
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Or you could have both? I said both. If I
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: could have both, say both, you can have both?
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah you can't. You can you can't.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Can Okay, last, but not sleep? Okay, know there's two more.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Weren't forgive We already kind of did that. So being
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: respected or being liked?
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Respect respected?
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Hundred Yeah, that's all I care about because I give
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: people respect.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: So yeah, expected it in return is being liked.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't care if you don't like me
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: exactly because.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: That's something I had to learn later on in life too,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Like I can't control how people see me. You can
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: only control how you show up.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah. And there are people who make it
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: their living to not like you as well. Absolutely what
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: you do, how you walk, you what you contribute to
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: this world. They just want to say, you know what,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I just don't like Kylie.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Just because because I'm unhappy.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I don't want to. You can't.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Absolutely you could be mothers and they still find.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: It absolutely very That was funky. Let's get back to
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: the conversation. So let's dive into who Kylie is and
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: what Kylie is working on. So when did you realize
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: what you were passionate about? I know we kind of
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: we talked about that a little bit earlier. But what
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: projects are you working on now? What does success look
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: like for you now? Moving forward?
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I was working on the Proud Family Louder.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: And Prouder, like.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: We're going to keep cutting you out.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I get it. I love like that's such a iconic
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: animated series. It was the first black animated series on
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Disney Channel. And yeah, it was. And I started working
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: at Disney in twenty nineteen, and I was able to
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: work with the creators and producers Ralph Farquhar, who's like
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: my mentor, and Bruce Smith, the creator of Proud Family,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and I yeah, I was able to work for the reboot.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: It was crazy. It's it's still like crazy to think
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: about that. Like I was able to write Dja LOSIENAA.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Penny Proud is like, okay, I just need it. I'm
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: going to be quiet because yeah, so what is your
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: so what was so your role was a writer?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I was a staff writer.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: A staff writer girl. Yeah, that was just so what
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: does your day to day look like? Kind of walk
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: us through what what that means.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was just walking to Disney, walking
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: into Disney and being like okay, you know, getting into
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the writer's room and having to just create different storylines
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: for Penny Proud and Oscar Proud and Sugar Mama.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: She's still alive.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: She is still alive. She's like one hundred. But yeah,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: but you know, TV has no age. Obviously we were
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: able to just create the most bizarre and heartwarming and
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: like sometimes controversial episodes as well, because I think Proud
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Family always stuck to the identity of being true to
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: oneself and knowing who they are, Like every character knew
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: who they were. So, like I said from earlier, coming
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: into a show that already kind of exists, like the
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: lare already exists, you had to stay true to that
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: ra else fans were gonna know, Like any wouldn't say that,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: they would not do that, So you really had to
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: study the show. I watched the series eight times before
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I got into the writer's room, just to refresh my
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: memory on you know who these people were?
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: So is that what you're currently doing?
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: So No, I stopped working there a year ago and
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: now I am currently developing my own project.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Are you allowed to talk about it, or you don't
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: have to.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I'm working with really really cool people, Okay, we'll say that. Okay,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: somebody I feel like you guys would be a fan of.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: You don't have to tell us, okay, because we don't
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: want to put you in any position. Yeah, just let
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: us know when when it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Becomes let me know when there's an audition, because you know,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: somebody might want to edit. Come on now, somebody I
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: don't know, come.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: On through, come on through me the you.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Know, I'm your business card after the absolutely phone number, security, everything.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, developing my own projects, and I want to
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: thank you, and I want to get into the filmmaking
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: space as well this year, So hopefully getting my short
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: film done.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: And I love a good short film.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you can parlay this for you in
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: to anything you want to do the short film. Yeah,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Like it depends, Like if you want it to be
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: more of a higher budget, it'll probably take a whole
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: year just get the funding done, pre production, production obviously
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: post So we're we're looking for like the medium high
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: budget for this one. And yeah, it might be a
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: little divisive, I don't know, but I think it's going
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: to make a statement.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Can you talk about it or the just the idea
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: about it or no, hmm, you don't have to.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I'll just say it's it's these two concepts kind of loosely.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: It's like insecure meets American fiction. I don't know if
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: you've ever seen American fiction with Jeffrey Race, but yeah,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's kind of those two insecure, yeah, oh
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: of course, like Issa is Yeah, she's awesome.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Like I'm just excited to see whatever it is. Like,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm like. I think my brain is just churning.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Keep it, keep it. It's somebody that you love, she
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: will somebody.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Somebody they are icon.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's all I got to say.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I'm good for Thank you so much, your dad so proud.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you. So when you look, when you look and say, hey,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: in five years, I see myself doing this, working for
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: this person or collaborating with this person, this writer, what
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: does that look like?
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I will say this, I am also sort of
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: dipping my toe into stand up comedy, so I kind
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: of want that to like also like parlay as well
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: and get me into spaces like performing wise that I
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: never thought i'd be in like like SNL would be
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: a dream like that would be insane. But also getting
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: me into different doors, whether that be an improv, whether
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: that just be working with somebody who's I don't know,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: like maybe another Martin spin off some but yeah, just
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: getting myself into more doors and for people to know
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Kylie is me as a persona, as a performer instead
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: of just Kylie behind the scenes. Like I want to
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: be known for both.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Right, So it's it's awards season. So which award? Which?
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: What's which award would you just love to win?
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Just did you already?
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I know you already have your your acceptance speech already
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: written out?
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I would love honestly, like Best Original Screenplay.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I think that would be sick.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: But which one?
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Like which do you have a particular award that you
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: want to win for yourself?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: It could be anything.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: An Oscar would be great, but also an Emmy. I
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: don't want to limit myself, but yeah, any Accolade would
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: be amazing, even a SAG award, anything, anything, Well.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: We are going to speak it into existence. Think huge
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: about talking happened?
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Oh let me just say one more thing. Okay, I
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: was not going to mention this. But summer last year
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I actually opened up for Marlon Wayans at the IRV
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: on Sorry improv. Yeah, I know, it's just pretty crazy
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: to say. Well, I wasn't gonna mention it because I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: was just kind of like starting and he was giving
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: me this platform, this opportunity to do so. And yeah,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I was really nervous about doing it because I had
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: just come back from Africa. I was part of this
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: organization called reach Out and we were basically helping orphans
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: in Uganda and a thousand widows and giving them food
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: and blankets and then creating this Christian summer camp for
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: them for about three weeks. So when I came back,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I was not in the mood to do comedy. And Marlon,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: he's really really good friends with my dad. He's an
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: amazing person. He was like, you know, Kylie, I know
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: you're not ready for this, but if you don't do
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: it now, you're probably never going to do it because
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: there's no time to be ready. You just have to
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: do it. And yeah, I just went straight into the
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: fire and I got it done. I did like a
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: seven minute set. I thought I did an okay job.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I thought it was great. Yeah, I thought it was
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: great for my first time in front of hundreds of people.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: So you wrote all of your jokes, sure, you're just
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: your expertise with writing helped facilitate your your jokes.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: It did, Yeah, I think it did. I feel like
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: sometimes it can be hard to write for myself, Like
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I'm so focused on writing for other characters that when
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I have to like internalize, oh, should I tell them
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: the story? You know, I'm a little nervous about that.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: But I think when you're able to kind of like
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: deprecate a little bit about yourself, it's more relatable than
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: you think that has to be vulnerable though.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Writing your jokes for yourself and you're talking about your life.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: It's literally like you're reading your personal diaryt to hundreds
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: of people.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: But yeah, a lot of people connect with it. So
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: that's what makes comedy so so magical.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: It's amazing and amazing needed and a lot of people
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: don't have the courage to do it. So just the
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: fact that you got on the stage, whether you felt
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: ready or not, that is a huge accomplishment just putting
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: yourself out there. And I mean, I say comedians have
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the toughest jobs because you're literally standing on a stage
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: and you're waiting for outside like validation, make me laugh,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: make me laugh.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Not a lot of people can do it either.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Exactly, very tough art form and you have to work
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: at it. I was watching the Eddie Murphy is it
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: on Netflix? The new Eddie Murphy documentary? Yeah, it's so good,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: but he was He kept talking about working out, about
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: going to clubs and working out, and I'm like, wow,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Like Eddie Murphy had to work out, he had to
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: work in his crap.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: This person that is just.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Again an icon and just it was amazing to see
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: his process and just what he had to do in
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: order to become who he is.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely that was incredible because you can be very talented,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: you can be very acted, but sometimes that's not even enough.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Like it takes hard work and commitment and sacrifice to
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: do this.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Does your dad coach you through your journey now or no?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Because he doesn't because of some of the stuff. I like,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: some of my content is not dad approved. It won't
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: in my stand up stand up? Okay, But you meant
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: like as far as writings in.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: General, yeah, oh yeah, writing of course.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's definitely like a mentor within my career. But
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: as far as stand up, you know, gotta be a
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: little ed do sometimes.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: You do you guys love to see?
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Would I try to do some like impersonations? I can't
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: do them on the spot, like right now, but well, since.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: We're since we brought it up, let's have you do
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: your dad? Yeah, give us the Evans impersonation.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, I will do. I have to look at a
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: certain camera.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: No, you just.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Okay? So is the scenario like I'm just talking to
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: you guys? Or am I just like.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Your best impression of him?
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Okay? Okay, ladies, I'm so glad I could be here.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I'm Binley Kyle Evans. And what's your name?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Tamara?
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Tamara? That's an amazing name, Mariah beautiful.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Cut the cameras, Cut the cameras. Yeah, let's just go
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: walk out.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Wait when did that happen?
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, I can do that one again. I can do
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: that one again. But that was just my frustrated dad.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: So maybe I should just do like that.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: That was perfect, literally perfect? Why do you do that?
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Because you just listen? NESSA Bentley gonna be watching the SCREENO.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, now, wait a minute. I could do
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: it like another.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: That perfect because then now we're going to go into
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: our legacy, so we asked you to bring a legacy object,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: something that represents you and your legacy where you're going.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: So what do we have today, Let's see what we have?
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: So much dustin. We actually have a picture of me
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: and Raven, the my brother and my little cousin and
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: my dad. Yes, the Raven Simon. This is when I
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: was nagging so hard at my dad to get me
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: to see a live taping of That's a Raven second season.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: And yeah, this is like one of my favorite photos
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: and I think it represents who I am because Raven
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: was such a big inspiration to me that she was
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I wanted to get into TV.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: And yeah, actually my dad in this big early two
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: thousands jumpsuit. You know they're coming amazing. It was such
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: a time. Yeah, and I actually finessed him to get
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: me to be an extra on one of the episodes,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: so I was in That's a Raven episode was called
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Sister Act. If you can find me that would be crazy,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I was, wow, this is a little Kylie.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: And with my with my hero shout out.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: The I did I made the frame. That's why I
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: looked k yes.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: No, it's so cute.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I love that it So this is always in my room.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I can always remember why I'm doing what I do.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's a beautiful memory.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Thank you, of course, thank you guys. Yeah, So what
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: legacy do you want to create for yourself?
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I think I just want to carve out a path
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: that is so unique to who Kylie is, whether that
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: just be writing a short film that is the only
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: thing that I do, or just getting on another TV
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: series or creating my own show. And for me, to
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: be honest, it's not even like about credit or accolades.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: It's honestly like God's timing for me in my life.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I think for the longest time, I always wanted to
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: have so much control over my career and have to
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: meet a milestone. And it's not even about that anymore.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: It's about making yourself happy. And at the end of
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: the day, if I can just touch one person or
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: a hundred people and make someone feel seen through my storytelling,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: that's all that truly matters to me. I just want
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: to reach out to the masses and make them feel reflected.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: It's beautiful. Yeah, and you are well on your way, girl.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: We're so proud of you. You're so inspired. I feel
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: like I learned so much about you this last hour,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: and I'm just I'm in awe than you, like I could.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I look at you, and I'm like, you are a
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: creative genius and I just can't wait to see what
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: the next five, ten, fifteen years look for you.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: You've already couplished so much have such a short time.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: We're gonna be watching you walk on the stage at
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: the Oscar. They're not gonna be in the kitchen just waving.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: And you know, Syria, that's my past.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: And they have a new they have a new category
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: at least for the Golden Globes for Best Podcast.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Exist a gonna be there together. So what's one thing
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: you would say to your dad?
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: One thing I would say to my dad? Do you
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: have to look into the camera?
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: You can?
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Okay? Uh? Thanks Dad for everything you've done. I appreciate you.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Bye. We have one more surprise, like we can't just things.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: We have one more surprise, so full surprise. We have
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: that for you. We would love you. Do you want
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: me to no for you? Wow?
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Okays?
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: Hey, Kylie, I just wanted to say that. I mean,
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: it wouldn't be me if I didn't interrupt your podcast.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: You know, anything you're doing, I got to have my
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: hand in it somehow. But no, listen, I just want
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: to say congratulations on all of your success. You haven't
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: even scraped that can at to what success you're going
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: to have in the future. I just wanted to say,
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: from your father, a creator to another creator, that you
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: are awesome. You're the bomb. You're a boss lady, and
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: I cannot wait to see where your career goes. So
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: I gotta take some sort of health serum so that
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: I can be around forever, because I know that you're
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: going to do some crazy things and I don't want
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: to miss out on any of it. But I just
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: wanted to say you're a boss. I love you very much,
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: and listen, from one writer producer to another, keep on
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: doing it, get it where you can get it, and
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: don't let nobody take it from you.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: All right, peace, that was amazing. That was amazing, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Is an honor.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you, and if you ever need anything, you
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  Speaker 2: to end today. Thank you and close us out. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you guys for joining us on today's episode of Born
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  Speaker 2: to the Game. I'm Mariah and I'm Tamara and we
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