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Taylor Swift's groping trial & sex trafficking in your town · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph
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Speaker 1: Channel one two. Taylor Swift is getting ready for a performance,
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Speaker 1: not on stage, but in a federal courtroom. She's getting
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Speaker 1: ready to take the stand in her civil suit against
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Speaker 1: a radio DJ who she accuses of groping her during
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Speaker 1: a photo of Swift is being sued by k Y
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Speaker 1: g O d J David Mueller. Swift claimed Mueller's hand
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Speaker 1: grabbed her backside inappropriately and his radio station fired him.
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Speaker 1: This TMZ picture showing the two together will be at
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Speaker 1: the center of the trial. Look at where his hand us.
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Speaker 1: It's an odd spot. My hand was never under her skirts.
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Speaker 1: I never grabbed her. Mueller is asking for millions, Swift
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Speaker 1: just one dollar. It's about women's ride. It's something that's
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Speaker 1: been going on for years, and women are saying enough
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Speaker 1: is enough. It is day three for Taylor Swift, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about day three of a blockbuster concert
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Speaker 1: or a world tour. It's day three of Taylor Swift
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Speaker 1: at trial. That's right. And I noticed that every article
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Speaker 1: starts with what Taylor Swift wore. The superstar is reportedly
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Speaker 1: wearing a high necked black dress with her hair in
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Speaker 1: a sleep ponytail? Why is that important? We're talking about
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Speaker 1: a guy sexually groping her, according to Taylor Swift. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I see, grace. This is crime stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. We are taking your calls straight out
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Speaker 1: to the lines with Otis high. Otis, what's your question
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Speaker 1: about Taylor Swift? Before you even get cranked up? Otis,
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Speaker 1: did you know now there are reports that the DJ
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Speaker 1: involved has changed his story seven times. She is stuck
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Speaker 1: with her story that he groped her bare skin rear
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Speaker 1: end at a meet and greet and took a picture
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Speaker 1: of it for Pete's sake, And now he has actually
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Speaker 1: sued her, claiming he lost his job because she brought
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Speaker 1: it to light. Okay, Otis, what's your question? Thanks to answering,
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Speaker 1: My question is what was his motivation? Is he really
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Speaker 1: was he really just trying to look for a quick
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Speaker 1: settlement from Taylor Swift or in or do he want
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Speaker 1: all this stuff to come? Hold on, Otis, maybe I
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Speaker 1: don't understand his motivation. What is any man's motivation when
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Speaker 1: they grab your rear? Is that what you're saying? What's
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Speaker 1: his motivation for grabbing Taylor Swift's rear end have helped
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Speaker 1: me somebody quick life support. What do you mean, what's
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Speaker 1: his motivation? Excuse me? You know if you call in
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Speaker 1: to crime stories, you've got to be clear. Okay, what
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Speaker 1: is his motivation for the lawsuit? Now that's a good one.
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Speaker 1: Hold on Otis, Alan Duke is joining me and investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter Nanette Sosa. Alan Duke Otis wants to know his motivation,
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Speaker 1: not for the the butt grab, but the lawsuit. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think this guy wanted publicity and now and and money.
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Speaker 1: But as far as grabbing, you know, I just don't
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Speaker 1: think that you get a lot at a photo shoot
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Speaker 1: when you grab and I don't. I don't think that
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Speaker 1: was anything other than an accident. But I think, now,
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Speaker 1: who did you say accident? I wish you could have
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Speaker 1: seen Jackie's head twirl or I'm looking at that picture
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Speaker 1: of the Exorcist, it went around three six an accident
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Speaker 1: to go down and up the photo A photo is
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Speaker 1: capturing less than one sixty of a second in image
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Speaker 1: of what happened. He says that all he did was
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Speaker 1: he reached, he put his arm on her, He felt
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Speaker 1: rib cage. He said his hand was closed. Under testimony,
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Speaker 1: and he said he felt a rib cage, but his
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Speaker 1: hand was closed. This is what he said under oath,
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Speaker 1: he felt up the rib cage is it is still
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Speaker 1: on the line, Otice, did you hear that? Alan thinks
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Speaker 1: he mistook her rear end? Was the rear end? The
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Speaker 1: photo is? Photos are so deceptive. She's a sweet girl, lady.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Alan, You just need to stop when
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Speaker 1: you're ahead, okay with me? Nanette Sosa? Ninette Sosa is
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Speaker 1: a respected investigative reporter. Alan respected. Then that why has
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Speaker 1: this guy changed his stories seven times? And how has
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Speaker 1: he changed his story seven times? Why would anybody change
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Speaker 1: his story unless they're nervous about something and they're trying
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Speaker 1: to backtrack, you know, go left or right. That would
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Speaker 1: be about the only reason you would change your story.
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Speaker 1: In addition, why is he suing or why did this
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Speaker 1: all end up with Taylor Swift when he lost his job?
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Speaker 1: Why did he not go after his radio station or
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Speaker 1: its management in a lawsuit for terminating him. Back to
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Speaker 1: Otis's phone call, if Otis is still with us, that's
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Speaker 1: a really good point she's brought up. Otis is in
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Speaker 1: this lawsuit is not about quote clearing his good name,
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Speaker 1: But about a pay day? That's what I would think. Uh,
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Speaker 1: is it comes down the money anytime, you know, even
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Speaker 1: to investigate stories and so forth, a lot of times
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Speaker 1: to follow the money With this guy, I a DJ,
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Speaker 1: you follow the money and uh, what was there going
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Speaker 1: to be a quick resolution? Taylor Swift cage in pays off,
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Speaker 1: you know, or however that might be. But it's now
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Speaker 1: dragged out for years and he has no job, or
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Speaker 1: if he does, there are small gigs that he's doing.
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Speaker 1: But again, why did he not go after his own
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Speaker 1: company for terminating him? Joining me right now is Max
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Speaker 1: from North Carolina. Hi, Max, what's your question? Well? Start
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Speaker 1: thinking that may not have rate connection. But he was
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Speaker 1: not wearing okay. You know, it's interesting how certain people
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Speaker 1: gravitate towards certain facts in a story. I think we've
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Speaker 1: established yesterday, and correct me if I'm wrong. Alan Duke
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Speaker 1: and Nnette Sosa that she was wearing a thong a
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Speaker 1: k A anal floss a k A one of those
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Speaker 1: little bitty skinny underwears that go up your rear end.
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Speaker 1: And um that she did have on underwear. And actually,
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Speaker 1: if she was giving a concert, I could see her
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Speaker 1: wearing something like that, so you wouldn't see lines out
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Speaker 1: hey hold on, hold on, guy, and so when the
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Speaker 1: guy grabbed her rer end, it was hand to skin contact,
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Speaker 1: but that she was wearing a thong. Now, I don't
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Speaker 1: know what that has to do with anything or choice
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Speaker 1: of underwear, but apparently it's it's concerning our friend from
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Speaker 1: North Carolina. Why are all the callers men today? That's interesting? Um,
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Speaker 1: your only question for North Carolina is was she wearing underwear?
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Speaker 1: Forget about the alleged assault, but was she wearing underwear?
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Speaker 1: Is that the question? It's just it just amused me.
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Speaker 1: That's funny because that's what you said. It's funny that
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Speaker 1: that's not the question, because that that's that's what you said,
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Speaker 1: that that question updated aspects of this thing, an updated
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Speaker 1: aspect on this thing. Okay, going in, So that's not
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Speaker 1: your question. What is your question? Max? Well, I wish
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Speaker 1: I hadn't a real question, but I know that which
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Speaker 1: side is obviously uh, you know, hurting, and some lawyers
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Speaker 1: somewhere said, hey, let's sewer, we can do that, and
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Speaker 1: whoever is hurting? Who whatever said why didn't they shoot
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Speaker 1: the company that fired him over? That kind of information
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Speaker 1: from that short had the coalman and complained, well, her
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Speaker 1: people had, uh you know he maybe he don't you
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Speaker 1: think he should have sued the company that fired him
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Speaker 1: over that kind of Okay, I don't know really what
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Speaker 1: to think about that rambling question I heard? But did
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Speaker 1: did I hear you say that the DJ accused of
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Speaker 1: groping Taylor Swift is hurting? H U R T I
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Speaker 1: n G Did you say that? I think you did?
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Speaker 1: You know? Alan Duke with me on the story along
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Speaker 1: with investigative reporters and Sosa hurting. This guy's hurting? What? Why?
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Speaker 1: Why is he hurting? Well, he lost his career. Who's
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Speaker 1: going to hire him? A DJ who's this infamous now
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Speaker 1: another shot jock radio station? Probably probably you look at
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Speaker 1: his face. They look at his face. He looks like
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Speaker 1: he's a little creepy. Though. I'll have to give him that.
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Speaker 1: He's got the face. He's got, he's got the face
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Speaker 1: for creepy radio. Let's just say that. Let's talk about
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Speaker 1: for a moment with Nnette Sosa. Uh, the seven different
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Speaker 1: stories that David Mueller, fifty five year old DJ out
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Speaker 1: of Denver, allegedly has told. Okay, we are still taking
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Speaker 1: your calls on Taylor Swift before we head to our
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Speaker 1: next topic. But the various stories were, let's see our
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Speaker 1: hands touched and our arms touched. I know our arms
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Speaker 1: crossed and touched. Okay, that's one. Then there was a
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Speaker 1: time to Nette Sosa that he said he touched her
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Speaker 1: rear in by accident. And then there was a time
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Speaker 1: that he said, um, I didn't touch her rear end.
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Speaker 1: Then we've got the rib cage that he actudentally touched
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Speaker 1: her rib cage. I'm missing three stories. Let's see what
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Speaker 1: wasn't um, I'm missing three stories. And that what are
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Speaker 1: the other three versions? Uh? He testified that he had
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Speaker 1: no inkling. Remember that one. He had no inkling that
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Speaker 1: anything was happened until after uh Swift security team approached
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Speaker 1: him with the allegation. And so it was probably the
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Speaker 1: very first one. What what happened was his first take
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Speaker 1: on it. He didn't know what and the thing is.
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Speaker 1: And this often came up in rape cases and sex
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Speaker 1: assault cases, where if the victim waited for a period
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Speaker 1: of time, it made the case weaker because a jury
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Speaker 1: might think that it was fabricated. Whereas if there's an
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Speaker 1: immediate as we say in the law, outcry, an outcry
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Speaker 1: to a outcry witness where the victim immediately says, this
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Speaker 1: happened to me. It makes the case a lot stronger.
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Speaker 1: Many people think there is a so called gap time
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Speaker 1: in this case, but there's not true. Uh. The lawsuit
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Speaker 1: became a couple of years later where the DJ actually
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Speaker 1: sued her Taylor Swift, but she made an immediate outcry
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Speaker 1: in the Nette Sosa. She immediately told her parents, her team,
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Speaker 1: everybody in Fay. They tricked the guy down immediately out
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Speaker 1: in the concert, didn't they net They did, but it
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Speaker 1: was wasn't him face to face. They approached his his
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Speaker 1: team of people and through his work and the company
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Speaker 1: that hired him. So at the moment that the incident happened,
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Speaker 1: it's one of those gritty kind of smiles. And I'm sure, uh,
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Speaker 1: your head is thinking, Okay, do I say something now,
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Speaker 1: Do I cause a commotion? Do I embarrass this guy
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Speaker 1: at this a very minute, or do I do this
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Speaker 1: photo shoot and we'll take this up in about a
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Speaker 1: couple of hours. When I approached his his colleagues or
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Speaker 1: his bosses, well, they did kick him out of the concert. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he got kicked out of the concert. But I think
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Speaker 1: she's right that they approached. Um, I'm not sure exactly
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Speaker 1: who they approached first, but somebody in his camp, Taylor
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Speaker 1: Swift's supposedly as a longtime friend of this guy's boss,
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Speaker 1: and so Taylor's mom called the boss. Well, this is
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Speaker 1: where it stands right now, and eight person jury in
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Speaker 1: Denver has started hearing testimony and Taylor Swift versus d J.
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Speaker 1: David Mueller. As you know, Mueller stands accused of grabbing
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Speaker 1: the superstar on her arian without her permission during a
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Speaker 1: visit backstage. It was at the Pepsi Center in Denver
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Speaker 1: June two thousand thirteen. Mueller is seeking money compensation, claiming
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Speaker 1: that when Swift reported the incident, it led to him
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Speaker 1: being fired from kyg O. The photo of the incident
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Speaker 1: is a major piece of evidence. It was shown during
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Speaker 1: opening statements. The jury has seen it multiple times throughout
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Speaker 1: Tuesday's testimony, and he repeatedly denied touching Swift inappropriately. He
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Speaker 1: described how he remembered the moment. Now, this is what
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Speaker 1: happened in court. The d J. Mueller states he didn't
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Speaker 1: want to go to the Sunday night concert right because
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Speaker 1: he had to work the next morning. Okay, you get
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Speaker 1: free tickets to a Teller Swift concert, but you don't
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Speaker 1: want to go. I didn't peach him right there on
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Speaker 1: that um. After standing in line for a really long time,
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Speaker 1: he and his then girlfriend and colleague Shannon Melcher, they
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Speaker 1: go into the photo boothroom where Swift is standing there
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Speaker 1: for meet and greets. He testifies he and Melcher were
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Speaker 1: in the room with Swift and five other people, including
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Speaker 1: a photographer, that something happened to cause him to conclude
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Speaker 1: Swift was acting quote cold and stand office. Gee, I
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Speaker 1: wonder what it was is what could have caused that
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Speaker 1: an immediate change and her behavior when she didn't invite
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Speaker 1: me to pose. I considered that was standoffice and cold. Now,
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Speaker 1: see he's stuck without Alan Duke and his deposition. He's
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Speaker 1: caught saying she swept? Was that to in cold and
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Speaker 1: standoffice suddenly? So how does he explain that? He says,
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Speaker 1: because she didn't want to do the meet and greet
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Speaker 1: That that's it. Okay, that that's a crack in the
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Speaker 1: armor right right there. But he goes on to say
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Speaker 1: that his right arm was extended with his hand closed
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Speaker 1: and his palm facing down. Okay, that's what's happening in
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Speaker 1: the tailor swift case. Her parents are flanking her and
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Speaker 1: the DJ has been on the stand. You know. Let's hold,
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Speaker 1: cases with terrorism and Latin America. He's spent over a
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Speaker 1: decade as a special agent for the Department of Homeland Security,
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Speaker 1: Sex Tourism Jump Team. There's so much more I could
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. It's
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Speaker 1: hard for me to believe in my workaday world. You know,
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Speaker 1: circle that out there, really, right under my nose, human
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Speaker 1: trafficking is happening here on American soil. You have suggested
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Speaker 1: that the Mayweather McGregor upcoming fight is expected to bring
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Speaker 1: in hordes of human traffickers explain, Yeah, this is it's
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Speaker 1: it's it's a tragic thing. It's it's an epidemic, it's
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Speaker 1: a plague. I mean you consider the demand. I mean
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Speaker 1: it's it's estimated by the U n UH that there
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Speaker 1: are over two million children in the world who are
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Speaker 1: currently being exploited in traffic. These are children, not even
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Speaker 1: mentioned the adults. And unfortunately, uh, you know, you ask
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Speaker 1: yourself what kind of demand would justify that number. And
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Speaker 1: when you consider that the United States has the highest
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Speaker 1: child porn consumption rate and the highest child porn production rate,
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Speaker 1: the demands coming from right here. And so when there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of people showing up in the United States
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Speaker 1: and these these these horrible human beings who are we're
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Speaker 1: looking at child pornography, who are looking for children to
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Speaker 1: have sex with them wherever they congregate, whether it's at
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Speaker 1: that the Mayweather Fight or a Super Bowl, these traffickers
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Speaker 1: will bring these kids that are here in the United
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Speaker 1: States to service that demand. Uh. It's there's two hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand estimated children in the United States, Uh
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Speaker 1: that are foresell in this in this way and uh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: listen to you, is like drinking from a fire hydrant.
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Speaker 1: I just can't take it in. It's just coming, it's
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Speaker 1: just coming so fast, and and I don't want to
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Speaker 1: stop you because I want to hear every single word.
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Speaker 1: But did you just say two hundred and fifty thousand
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Speaker 1: children children in the United States? That's the estimate that
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Speaker 1: are currently forced into the commercial sex trade here, and
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Speaker 1: that number increases. Where are they? How? First of all,
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Speaker 1: how do they get taken? So generally it's kids who
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Speaker 1: don't have a lot of parental supervision, they don't have
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Speaker 1: a lot of uh, you know, people taking care of them.
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Speaker 1: Kids who run run away, they'll they'll get picked up
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Speaker 1: by pimps um a lot of them. According to State Department,
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Speaker 1: ten thousand, roughly ten thousand kids a year are smuggled
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Speaker 1: from outside the United States. Uh, interned states? How do
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Speaker 1: they get in? What's that? How do they get in?
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Speaker 1: How do they get in without being coll Smuggling people
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Speaker 1: internited states is is pretty you know, it's pretty easy
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Speaker 1: to do. Uh. It's I worked along the border for
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Speaker 1: ten years of my career and those are poorest borders indeed,
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Speaker 1: and so uh, if a trafficker knows what they're doing,
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Speaker 1: not to snuggle people in and out, and they can
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Speaker 1: get kids into into into the country. Um. You know,
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Speaker 1: a lot of the Americans that we catch are are
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Speaker 1: overseas who catch them in Mexico and Thailand where law
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Speaker 1: enforcement is less effective. Um that for those who don't
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Speaker 1: want to travel, they can find them here and they
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Speaker 1: and the traveickers bring them to to our to to
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Speaker 1: their clients in the United States. Do you remember, and
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you do, the former Subway sandwich pitchman Jared Fogel,
21:25
Speaker 1: who was go now convicted going through all those machinations
21:30
Speaker 1: to have underage sex and allegedly brought juveniles to the
21:36
Speaker 1: Plaza Hotel. While I'm downstairs with John, David and Lucy
21:41
Speaker 1: having tea with Eloise, you know, he's upstairs trying to
21:45
Speaker 1: have underage sex. So there is a huge appetite for that,
21:51
Speaker 1: not just in other countries here in the US, and
21:54
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how how it happens or how
21:58
Speaker 1: it can be stopped. Let me ask you this. There
22:01
Speaker 1: were a lot of theories, and not not just theories.
22:06
Speaker 1: In fact, a major investigation launched on this because new
22:11
Speaker 1: information allegedly came to light in the search for a
22:15
Speaker 1: missing child, Maddie McCann. Do you remember when beautiful Mattie
22:20
Speaker 1: McCann went missing from the family vacation and nobody could
22:26
Speaker 1: figure out what had happened, But then it came to
22:29
Speaker 1: light that she may have been taken by human traffickers.
22:32
Speaker 1: That really brought this topic to the forefront in the US.
22:36
Speaker 1: Tim Yeah, absolutely, I mean, there's there's with Maddie's case,
22:40
Speaker 1: there are a number of reasons that would have taken her.
22:43
Speaker 1: What we find is that kids are taken for either
22:46
Speaker 1: for sex trafficking, for for labor trafficking, and and and
22:50
Speaker 1: for organ harvesting, which is a very real thing, oregan harvesting.
22:54
Speaker 1: So that's not an urban myth. That is not an
22:57
Speaker 1: urban myth. That is an absolute thing that that happens.
22:59
Speaker 1: We work in developping countries. You know, it's funny, I'm
23:02
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad that there's so much attention came to
23:04
Speaker 1: the Matti mccan case. Uh, but people need to remember
23:07
Speaker 1: that what happened to Mattie mccan is happening every day
23:10
Speaker 1: in a country like Haiti or Colombia or you know
23:13
Speaker 1: a lot of these developing countries where we work and
23:15
Speaker 1: their parents love them just as much as these parents
23:18
Speaker 1: loved her. But we somehow forget that. You know, this
23:21
Speaker 1: is happening every day, cases just as profound, uh, where
23:25
Speaker 1: kids are being taken and used um. And yes, we
23:27
Speaker 1: we run into people who come into a country like Haiti,
23:30
Speaker 1: for example. They'll buy a child, take that child back
23:33
Speaker 1: to their country where they have a wealthy family who
23:36
Speaker 1: who needs a heart or or or or a little
23:39
Speaker 1: liver or something for their child, and they will perform
23:42
Speaker 1: that surgery, pull that um what they need out and
23:45
Speaker 1: and and dispose of the child. So these are very
23:48
Speaker 1: real cases. Wit what guys, Guys, this is not a
23:51
Speaker 1: sci fi movie. I am talking with a former CIA
23:56
Speaker 1: operative with me as Tim Ballard, they found of Operation
24:00
Speaker 1: Underground Railroad Go to our Rescue dot org. He spent
24:07
Speaker 1: over ten years a special agent with the Department of
24:09
Speaker 1: Homeland Security and assigned to the Internet Crimes Against Children
24:13
Speaker 1: Task Force. He was deployed as an undercover operative for
24:17
Speaker 1: the U S Child Sex Tourism Jump Team. Okay, this
24:21
Speaker 1: is beyond what I had expected you to say to him,
24:26
Speaker 1: that children are actually bought in a country like Haiti,
24:31
Speaker 1: brought here, their organs harvested and the child, as you said,
24:36
Speaker 1: disposed of. Much of the child human trafficking came to
24:40
Speaker 1: light when Mattie McCann, beautiful little Mattie McCann, was kidnapped
24:46
Speaker 1: and according to Portuguese police and British detectives, they both
24:52
Speaker 1: have been investigating the fear, focusing on the theory that
24:59
Speaker 1: Maddie McCann and was kidnapped by human traffickers. Portuguese police
25:06
Speaker 1: say they are completely in tune with British detectives. Following
25:10
Speaker 1: a tip that a gang of European traffickers snatched Mattie McCann.
25:17
Speaker 1: That brought it all to the forefront for many US citizens.
25:21
Speaker 1: But according to Tim, this has been going on for many,
25:24
Speaker 1: many years. What is a US child sex tourism jump team?
25:31
Speaker 1: What what? First of all, what is a child sex
25:34
Speaker 1: tour that's referring to you know, when when people travel,
25:39
Speaker 1: these pedophiles travel, whether you know, interstate within the United
25:42
Speaker 1: States or travel overseas to resort towns, uh to look
25:46
Speaker 1: for children. And that's what we we We worked largely overseas.
25:49
Speaker 1: What do you mean overseas like where like any any
25:54
Speaker 1: developing nation that has a resort town, you can be
25:57
Speaker 1: sure that there are children pen eleven twelve years old
26:00
Speaker 1: who are being sold for sex. And what what our
26:02
Speaker 1: team does is we we sign up with UM with
26:05
Speaker 1: foreign law enforcement, and they'll they'll have us sit on
26:07
Speaker 1: a beach where they think traffickings happening, and well, what
26:09
Speaker 1: really just sit there and we have video footage of
26:12
Speaker 1: this we we can even share, but we put on
26:14
Speaker 1: our our undercover you know, UM video cameras, audio video,
26:19
Speaker 1: and we capture these guys who approach us on a
26:22
Speaker 1: beach or a street corner, uh and offer kids to us.
26:25
Speaker 1: And they expect this since we're Americans sitting on this beach,
26:28
Speaker 1: that they know why we're there. And they have a
26:30
Speaker 1: twelve year old block away in the house if we'd
26:32
Speaker 1: like to partake of that. And that's how we help
26:35
Speaker 1: these especially foreign and to these foreign governments, because because
26:39
Speaker 1: we are Americans, we can infiltrate the the the trafficking
26:43
Speaker 1: situation in their country a lot quicker. And it is everywhere.
26:47
Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely everywhere. So let me understand something. I
26:51
Speaker 1: remember the first time as a rookie prosecutor, I had
26:55
Speaker 1: a case where on the place report the cop I
26:59
Speaker 1: drove into ABC Housing Project and defendant Alan Duke held
27:06
Speaker 1: up a glass sing bag at me from the street corner.
27:10
Speaker 1: I undercover cop went over and immediately arrested him, and
27:14
Speaker 1: it turned out he had twenty five glassing bags of cocaine.
27:18
Speaker 1: I'll call that cop in. I chewed him and he
27:21
Speaker 1: really end said, do you think I'm an idiot? Do
27:25
Speaker 1: you think I believe somebody would wave cocaine in a
27:29
Speaker 1: glassing bag on a corner? Get out of here, and
27:34
Speaker 1: I handed the case off to my investigator to drop. Okay,
27:38
Speaker 1: fast forward, maybe three or four weeks. I was out
27:40
Speaker 1: investigating homicide case. I drove into ABC Housing Project and
27:45
Speaker 1: guess what, a guy standing on the corner waved a
27:48
Speaker 1: bunch of glassing bags at me. I'm like, holy crap. Okay,
27:54
Speaker 1: So my point is you're saying that you go sit
27:58
Speaker 1: on the beach and people will come up to you
28:02
Speaker 1: in other countries because they know you're there to find
28:08
Speaker 1: child sex. Absolutely right. See what I'm saying is Alan,
28:13
Speaker 1: I know you and Annette are with me. Let me
28:15
Speaker 1: go to the Nette Nanette. It's not far fetched. See
28:18
Speaker 1: I would have thought that's crazy. I go sit on
28:20
Speaker 1: the beach and somebody just walks up and offers me
28:22
Speaker 1: a child. Why would that happen? Not far but it
28:24
Speaker 1: does happen and not far fetched at all. I have
28:27
Speaker 1: been in Central America where men and women even come
28:31
Speaker 1: in under the guise of a care team or missionaries.
28:36
Speaker 1: And I have witnessed men sitting at restaurants with ten
28:41
Speaker 1: and eleven year old boys just questioning and grooming them,
28:44
Speaker 1: waiting to get up to the hotel rooms. I have
28:46
Speaker 1: sat there and watched this, and it's so frustrating because
28:49
Speaker 1: you think, where are where's the cops? Where? Where get
28:52
Speaker 1: me police? But I have to respect that I'm in
28:55
Speaker 1: another country. I'm not gonna happen. What country was it, Nanette?
28:58
Speaker 1: But I've witnessed it non at what was that Guatemala
29:01
Speaker 1: outside of Guatemala City. And I have seen Indian mothers
29:05
Speaker 1: cry and cry up to the steps of the U
29:09
Speaker 1: N Building for taking the Indian babies. And I have
29:12
Speaker 1: seen American couples and families waiting to take these Indian
29:17
Speaker 1: babies from these moms who do not want to give
29:20
Speaker 1: up their children. But the and I believe there's a
29:23
Speaker 1: pause right now for adoption, even in a Central amer
29:26
Speaker 1: and at least in Guatemala. It's really chokes me out
29:29
Speaker 1: because I have seen it, and I'll just share quickly.
29:32
Speaker 1: One other case, and this is here in the United States,
29:34
Speaker 1: of a thirteen year old girl coming across the border,
29:37
Speaker 1: and I was taking a great hound bus. I took
29:40
Speaker 1: a greathound bus because I like to see the small
29:42
Speaker 1: cities in the US. This is from Arkansas to Atlanta,
29:46
Speaker 1: and I saw the exchange of thirty dollars between the men.
29:50
Speaker 1: The girl gets on the bus next to me, and
29:53
Speaker 1: then we pitched stop at a small town and I
29:55
Speaker 1: bought her a soda pop and she tells me her
29:57
Speaker 1: story and that when she gets too Atlanta, they're there
30:00
Speaker 1: to pick her up. And I so desperately tried to intervene.
30:03
Speaker 1: When she did get to Atlanta, and I lost her
30:06
Speaker 1: and I see her drive away in a car, and
30:08
Speaker 1: and that's that's the end of her story as far
30:11
Speaker 1: as I can see. But it happens. It happens all
30:14
Speaker 1: the time. Guys. We're not talking about justin Haiti. We're
30:18
Speaker 1: not talking about just India. We're not talking about just
30:21
Speaker 1: Bangkok or Singapore. We're talking about on us soil, in
30:27
Speaker 1: our back yard. And it's all coming to a head
30:32
Speaker 1: right now with the Mayweather fight in Vegas with me
30:37
Speaker 1: two special guests. Tim Ballard from the c I A
30:42
Speaker 1: formerly an operative on sex rings geared toward children human trafficking,
30:48
Speaker 1: and investigative reporter Nanette Sosa tell me why child sex
30:56
Speaker 1: trafficking would reach a zenith in Vegas at the Mayweather
31:01
Speaker 1: McGregor fight. Tim, Well, you know it goes through this, this, this,
31:06
Speaker 1: this why people want sexess one of this uh. And
31:12
Speaker 1: you know most people have in carrogated dozens and dozens
31:15
Speaker 1: of people through my career, and a lot of them
31:17
Speaker 1: have a very very similar story where they talk about
31:19
Speaker 1: their their poorn their pornography addiction that just got out
31:22
Speaker 1: of hand, and you know they weren't getting the chemical
31:25
Speaker 1: reaction they wanted from the adult stuff, so they move
31:28
Speaker 1: on to somebody to shock their system, and they're looking
31:30
Speaker 1: at fiscality, child pornography, and all of a sudden they're
31:33
Speaker 1: they're looking for this and so this tomad is just
31:35
Speaker 1: through the roots. And so any time that there's any
31:38
Speaker 1: event where a lot of people come together, you can
31:40
Speaker 1: you can bet that hold on just a moment, Ho
31:42
Speaker 1: ho ho ho ho. The demand. You make it sound
31:47
Speaker 1: like the demand for fidget spinners or for uh, the
31:51
Speaker 1: latest fad food or diet, the demand for it. These
31:56
Speaker 1: are little children, young kids, the demand it is a felony.
32:02
Speaker 1: You can do life behind bars for this. Doesn't that
32:06
Speaker 1: change anything for these people, you know, their their desire.
32:11
Speaker 1: Just I've watched I watched smart people who who are pedophiles,
32:15
Speaker 1: who who desire this do the craziest things, you know,
32:18
Speaker 1: on a steam operation. I'm thinking they're not gonna come
32:20
Speaker 1: to They're not They're not gonna actually show up to
32:21
Speaker 1: the house. And they show up to the house and
32:23
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's us on the steam because their
32:26
Speaker 1: desire is so great it's a drug. Hold on just
32:29
Speaker 1: a second, let me put this in here one eight
32:31
Speaker 1: eight eight three seven three seven eight eight eight. The
32:36
Speaker 1: National Human Trafficking Resource Center repeat toll free eight eight
32:40
Speaker 1: eight three seven three seven eight eight eight. So why
32:46
Speaker 1: would this giant, highly publicized fight be a haven for
32:53
Speaker 1: child human trafficking? I mean, is it like um prostitution
32:58
Speaker 1: in Vegas? Now? Why anything goes and nobody he's trying
33:00
Speaker 1: to stop it? M Well, yeah, it's it's it's it's
33:04
Speaker 1: not just this fight, it's any it's any big event,
33:06
Speaker 1: I mean anything at the Staples Center in l A.
33:09
Speaker 1: You know, a big football game, especially as Super Bowl.
33:11
Speaker 1: Anytime there's a lot of people coming, you can guess
33:13
Speaker 1: you can bet that a good portion of those people
33:16
Speaker 1: showing up watch child sex. And the pimps and the
33:19
Speaker 1: traffickers know that. And and what they do is they'll
33:22
Speaker 1: they advertise it's all online, you know, in Colombia and
33:24
Speaker 1: eight might be a beach, uh. In the US, it's
33:26
Speaker 1: gonna be online. It's gonna be on seeing like like
33:28
Speaker 1: back page or other social media sites where they know
33:32
Speaker 1: where to drop certain words and advertisements that that pedophiles
33:35
Speaker 1: will understand and they connect. Like for example, they'll there's
33:40
Speaker 1: there's codes they've used for a while. I can say
33:42
Speaker 1: this one because it's it's it's outdated now, but they
33:44
Speaker 1: used to call uh. They used to talk about selling
33:46
Speaker 1: cheese pizza. So if you went to the escort site
33:49
Speaker 1: and you hear someone talk about cheese pizza, uh, you
33:52
Speaker 1: know that that was short for child pornography. And then
33:55
Speaker 1: the person would say, I want cheese pizza. Okay, well
33:58
Speaker 1: you know what, you know, how many pieces do you want?
34:00
Speaker 1: I want twelve pieces? What I means I want a
34:01
Speaker 1: twelve year old. Then they get offline and what's your number?
34:04
Speaker 1: And then and then they get offline and they make
34:06
Speaker 1: the deal. Um, I've infiltrated dozens and dozens of those
34:10
Speaker 1: kind of deals online where we pretend to be one
34:14
Speaker 1: of the buyers or or or a seller, and that's
34:16
Speaker 1: how we can get our make our way into this market.
34:18
Speaker 1: So there's a whole kind of language that these pedophiles. Guys,
34:22
Speaker 1: you don't think that it's surreal. As of a couple
34:26
Speaker 1: of days ago, updated in the Vegas Review Journal, a
34:30
Speaker 1: sex trafficking ring with ties to Vegas was busted in
34:34
Speaker 1: California just this past week, and l A detective says
34:38
Speaker 1: it is common for pimps based in l A to
34:41
Speaker 1: operate in Vegas. California authorities announced that three people were
34:46
Speaker 1: arrested in connection with the sex trafficking ring involving eight
34:52
Speaker 1: children sold for sex in California, Nevada, and Texas. The
34:57
Speaker 1: Associated Press reports a thirty year old, a thirty two
35:02
Speaker 1: year old, and a thirty two year old woman face
35:06
Speaker 1: a total of fifty four charges, including identity theft and
35:10
Speaker 1: pimping of these victims. I mean it's happening. It's happening
35:16
Speaker 1: right now. You send your kids off to school, other
35:21
Speaker 1: kids are being used in this manner. And now we
35:24
Speaker 1: hear there are code words, code words like cheese pizza.
35:29
Speaker 1: With me. Is Nanette Sosa who just told a horrible
35:32
Speaker 1: but true story about her encounter on a Greyhound bus
35:36
Speaker 1: with a child being trafficked, and also with US expert
35:41
Speaker 1: Tim Ballard, founder of Operation Underground Railroad to bus these
35:46
Speaker 1: child sex trafficking rings. So I noticed all around the
35:51
Speaker 1: Atlanta airport, Tim and Annette that there are signs human
35:55
Speaker 1: trafficking not wanted here. Why is that, Tim, and how
36:00
Speaker 1: do you spot it? Sure? I love when I see
36:03
Speaker 1: these advertisements in airports. I'm seeing them more and more
36:06
Speaker 1: people are asked to look out for for for child trafficking. Um.
36:11
Speaker 1: The airline attendants are getting training now And there was
36:15
Speaker 1: a case recently where an airline attendant saw a child
36:18
Speaker 1: sitting next to a man. It didn't make sense, something
36:20
Speaker 1: didn't feel right. And she saw this little girl was
36:23
Speaker 1: going into the bathroom and she left the note in
36:25
Speaker 1: the bathroom and said you need help, I'm here, And
36:29
Speaker 1: the little girl walks out and says, yes, I do,
36:31
Speaker 1: and she the flight attendant was right and they were
36:33
Speaker 1: able to deliberate this this child and get this guy arrested.
36:36
Speaker 1: This is this is the fruits of these campaigns of training,
36:41
Speaker 1: especially in places like like airports, bus depots, places where
36:45
Speaker 1: people are moving in and out. We need more of it.
36:48
Speaker 1: But because there's this problem is so enormous that the
36:51
Speaker 1: people of the world, the citizens of the world, need
36:54
Speaker 1: to be the eyes and ears for law enforcement because
36:57
Speaker 1: they are in the places where trafficking is rang every day,
37:00
Speaker 1: and the nette is with us. It does happen. The
37:05
Speaker 1: airports are the place where transfers can happen. There was
37:11
Speaker 1: at one time at within Central America, I believe it
37:14
Speaker 1: was Costa Rica, that when you entered that airport, there
37:16
Speaker 1: would be a sign posted that if you are a
37:19
Speaker 1: single white male traveling alone over the age of whether
37:24
Speaker 1: it was thirty or fifty, you will be uh questioned
37:29
Speaker 1: upon entry. I only know that because I had a
37:32
Speaker 1: friend who happened to be a single white male traveling
37:35
Speaker 1: to that country. He actually just turned around and came
37:38
Speaker 1: back because he just didn't even want to deal with that.
37:40
Speaker 1: He had never seen a sign so such a preposterous
37:43
Speaker 1: sign like that but uh, it's it's out there, and uh,
37:48
Speaker 1: the trafficking happens right just right underneath your nose. I mean,
37:50
Speaker 1: it could be the kid next to you with a
37:54
Speaker 1: guardian type person and you just keep your ear to
37:57
Speaker 1: the ground and hope to make eye contact. I mean
38:00
Speaker 1: that's about the most I can I can relay about information.
38:04
Speaker 1: But as an individual, what do you do to change
38:07
Speaker 1: that or get help without putting yourself in danger? A
38:11
Speaker 1: and our authorities going to believe you. According to the
38:15
Speaker 1: A p l A County deputies found over a dozen
38:20
Speaker 1: female victims, including children, working out of apartments turned brothels
38:26
Speaker 1: cops provided very few details when asked about it. He
38:30
Speaker 1: said that Las Vegas role um was being kept close
38:35
Speaker 1: to the vest because they don't want any chance of
38:39
Speaker 1: compromising their case by releasing information to the media. But
38:43
Speaker 1: he did say that Vegas is considered a matrock quote
38:48
Speaker 1: metropolis for trafficking because of large scale events like the
38:53
Speaker 1: Mayweather McGregor fight upcoming and the reputation Vegas has. Sex
38:57
Speaker 1: traffickers move from city to city to avoid the police
39:01
Speaker 1: and capitalize on special events like NASCAR. This cop says
39:06
Speaker 1: Detective Hicks, one day they're in l A. Then they're
39:09
Speaker 1: in Vegas or Texas the next day. They actually call
39:12
Speaker 1: it a quote circuit that they see an influx of
39:16
Speaker 1: human trafficking, including children on weekends. And this is a
39:20
Speaker 1: Las Vegas lieutenant speaking. The link between California in Vegas
39:25
Speaker 1: is so strong that they attend meetings, regular meetings in
39:30
Speaker 1: each other's jurisdictions to try to stop this. They're in
39:35
Speaker 1: constant contact with each other, but it's not slowing down
39:39
Speaker 1: the trade. Back out to Tim Ballard, Tim, how would
39:43
Speaker 1: it go down if you are trying to book a
39:47
Speaker 1: sex tour, a child sex tour, and you're going to
39:50
Speaker 1: the Mayweather fight? How does that happen? So what they
39:54
Speaker 1: would do is they're going to go online and and
39:56
Speaker 1: this is why they're so mobile. This is why it's
39:59
Speaker 1: easy to connection between l A, Las Vegas, Atlanta, wherever
40:02
Speaker 1: they're moving these kids, because it's all online. They can
40:05
Speaker 1: go online to any escort site, any legitimate social media site,
40:09
Speaker 1: uh Craig's List, anywhere where people are buying things, are
40:11
Speaker 1: exchanging things because they can use these legitimate sites and
40:15
Speaker 1: the like I said, use code words and no one,
40:17
Speaker 1: No one would know if if it was watching Um.
40:20
Speaker 1: But they'd go there first, usually escort sites, and they
40:22
Speaker 1: just start looking through because I've done this many many
40:24
Speaker 1: times as a special agent, as an investigator. Um. It
40:28
Speaker 1: goes through the different ads until you see something that
40:30
Speaker 1: this looks a little bit different, looks a little bit
40:33
Speaker 1: you know. For example, a lot of times these pims
40:35
Speaker 1: have the kids write their own ads, even though they say,
40:38
Speaker 1: you know, when they sign up because they have to
40:40
Speaker 1: buy law, I'm over eighteen. But you you read the words,
40:44
Speaker 1: you think that that sounds like a twelve year old's writing.
40:46
Speaker 1: You know, there's something that that throws you, and you
40:49
Speaker 1: you you go to that PIM and you say, I'm
40:51
Speaker 1: interested in this, and then you get them offline and
40:53
Speaker 1: start start the exchange. And you gotta know how to
40:56
Speaker 1: talk to them without entrapping them and so forth. Um.
40:59
Speaker 1: But because that's how they're doing it. They're booking it
41:01
Speaker 1: through e sports sites, through legitimate social media sites Facebook pages,
41:06
Speaker 1: and the word gets around, right, the word gets around
41:08
Speaker 1: in the pedophile communities about who's selling what where, and
41:12
Speaker 1: and you guys go up and down. They'll put up
41:14
Speaker 1: a Facebook page, they'll take it down to pop up
41:16
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Uh. To try to invade the police, but
41:19
Speaker 1: so much of it's online any net stage especially well.
41:22
Speaker 1: I can remember with me also in addition to Tim
41:25
Speaker 1: Ballard is Nanette Sosa also with me Alan Duke, investigative reporter. Alan.
41:32
Speaker 1: I can remember the first time I worked to bust
41:35
Speaker 1: to child prostitution ring and we would be it would
41:39
Speaker 1: be me and three other vice cops on the street.
41:43
Speaker 1: And I remember it was cold every day and I
41:47
Speaker 1: had some thin little coat I had gotten it. I
41:49
Speaker 1: don't know where. It would be freezing trying to bust
41:52
Speaker 1: this this ring. And I remember going into some flop
41:56
Speaker 1: house and they said the girls in there. It was
41:59
Speaker 1: a girl that had just like two days before turned thirteen.
42:04
Speaker 1: And I went in the room and there are a
42:05
Speaker 1: bunch of women and they're just kind of sitting around.
42:08
Speaker 1: And I came back and I said, those are all women.
42:10
Speaker 1: Where's the girl because I needed to get her so
42:14
Speaker 1: I could talk to her, take care of her and
42:18
Speaker 1: bust the case. They went, that's her in the boots.
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Speaker 1: I went back him. It looked like a thirty one
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Speaker 1: year old woman. She had on the high boots like
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Speaker 1: on pretty woman, and that the we've the long hair
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Speaker 1: all down her back turns of makeup, the long nails.
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Speaker 1: I look, I went that one, and he goes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was a little just turned thirteen year old girl.
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Speaker 1: And then you know we busted. We go to trial.
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Speaker 1: I take the three pimps is what they were then
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Speaker 1: now they're called even traffickers to trial. I got a
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Speaker 1: mistrial in my opening statement because I called one of
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Speaker 1: them a pimp and he wasn't charged with pimping. I
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Speaker 1: got a mistrial. The whole thing thrown out. Well, that
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Speaker 1: was on Monday, Tuesday. I took it back to the
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Speaker 1: grand jury and I had him charged with a simple
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Speaker 1: misdemeanor kunt of pimping. Got a new jury on Thursday
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Speaker 1: with a new indictment and retried him. But you know,
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Speaker 1: she was so scared that the night before testimony she
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Speaker 1: went missing. We had to do an a p B
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Speaker 1: all points bulletin, put it on the news all the
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Speaker 1: six o'clock and eleven o'clock news. We found in about
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Speaker 1: two am, and then you know, I was up all
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Speaker 1: night and then started the case again the next morning.
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Speaker 1: Needless to say, this guy was put in jail. But
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Speaker 1: how many more are out there? Alan? I mean, when
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Speaker 1: you hear stories like this and you're at the airport
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Speaker 1: or anywhere, it's scary. These are the age of my
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Speaker 1: children that are getting sold into human trafficking. Alan, It's
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Speaker 1: in every every small town, every small town. You see
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Speaker 1: that massage parlor thing. It may or may not be,
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Speaker 1: but that is one of the places they actually I've
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Speaker 1: read the State Department report on on that they actually
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Speaker 1: traveled in a circuit between those those massage parlors, if
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Speaker 1: you will. Another thing, um, Alan Nanette, Tim, is that
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Speaker 1: I spoke many many times with a team at Mercer
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Speaker 1: University that was undercovering human trafficking, and I think it
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Speaker 1: was massage parlors, just like Alan just said. And what's
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Speaker 1: so amazing is the case I was telling you about
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Speaker 1: between California and Vegas. There was a transaction where a
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Speaker 1: girl was sold in plane sight, in open sight, and
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Speaker 1: it turned into a six month investigation. It all started
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Speaker 1: with one missing child, one missing girl who turned up
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Speaker 1: to be one of these kids sold into sex trafficking. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm missing kid now. Every now that I know that,
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Speaker 1: every time I see a missing team girl, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I wonder where she is? Right now? What about it? Tim? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's you find that one kid and there's
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Speaker 1: gonna be there's there's there's others attached to it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: and I'm so glad we're talking about this because people
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Speaker 1: think it's too often that it's it's an isolated incidences
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Speaker 1: like oh that the Mannie McCann case and Elizabeth Smart
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Speaker 1: that happens once every decade. I mean, there's why people
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Speaker 1: who speak that, you know, and it's like, no, it's
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Speaker 1: it's it's multiple times a day in every country in
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Speaker 1: the world. And until we start talking about it, it's
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Speaker 1: not going away. Uh. You know, law enforcement, especially in
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Speaker 1: the US is doing uh an awesome, terrific job, but
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Speaker 1: it's just getting too big for anyone government, anyone agency.
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Speaker 1: People need to get involved. Media needs to talk about it.
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Speaker 1: People need to be reporting. They need to know that
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Speaker 1: number by heart that you gave earlier than uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: trafficking line. People need to get involved or this is
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Speaker 1: not going away. Nancy May, I entergen four days ago.
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Speaker 1: I just wrote a story about forty four year old
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Speaker 1: Lee Hall, who was arrested in Fayetteville, Arkansas. He is
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Speaker 1: a resident of that small town that Alan Duke's talking about.
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Speaker 1: He's from Alma, Arkansas, UH for UH trafficking, human trafficking
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Speaker 1: and also for wanting to sell prostitutes. He is he's
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Speaker 1: a Level three registered sex offender and Alma. He's also
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Speaker 1: a registered sex offender in Las Vegas. So you talk
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Speaker 1: about that small town circuit, it's ridiculous, Ninette and Tim,
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Speaker 1: My heart is just sick, sick when I think about
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Speaker 1: my little babies, who you know, they still right to Santa,
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Speaker 1: they still believe in the tooth fairy, you know, and
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Speaker 1: children this age being sold into human trafficking. That number
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