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How Modern Jiu-Jitsu, Wrestling, And Smart Training Transform Your Body And Mind | Ep 114 · The Driven Athlete

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SPEAKER_01: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what?
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SPEAKER_01: This podcast is for you.
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SPEAKER_01: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: What's up, y'all?
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SPEAKER_01: It's your man Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Kyle.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: We got our guy Ryan Conforti back again, jujitsu uh expert and gym owner of Rogue Wave in West Palm Beach.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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SPEAKER_01: I know you're a busy dude, so thanks for coming in again.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
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SPEAKER_01: Sharing some insights.
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SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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SPEAKER_01: Um also just history.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know if just a background.
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SPEAKER_01: Like we met, I don't know if people know, but we met at Ultima Fitness, where um it was in West Palm.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But um five years ago.
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SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, six years ago.
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SPEAKER_01: It was the summer of 2020, right after like the COVID main in Florida scare.
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SPEAKER_01: And then people started getting back to like normalcy again, like pretty quickly.
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SPEAKER_01: But that's when I moved into Ultimate, and I was there for like a year and a half.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Until it closed.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's when I moved into this move facility.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they sold that building and we all had to leave.
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SPEAKER_01: I tell people that story all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, so like I was in the gym for like, you know, having a little space in the back of the gym, access to the gym floor, treating patients.
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SPEAKER_01: And then one day the manager, his name's Ryan, cool guy.
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SPEAKER_01: We were cool.
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SPEAKER_01: We just knocked on the door and said, Hey, so uh the gym's going out of business.
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SPEAKER_01: They sold the building.
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SPEAKER_00: I was like, what?
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SPEAKER_00: We we have to close because they're like they're giving our floor away to in like four weeks.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, what?
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SPEAKER_01: Some some bank or finance company in New York.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: But um, so tell me where where Rogue Wave is at and what Rogue Wave is about.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we're on uh Belvedere and Dixie in this little plaza industry alley.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a bunch of the you know, small businesses, and um it's uh it's awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: Rogue Wave is somewhat of like an unorthodox jujitsu styles.
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SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't even say it's unorthodox anymore, although we do quite a bit of unorthodox, but it's it's a very modern approach to jujitsu based off of like what's modern in competition and and how the sport has evolved over the last 30 something years.
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SPEAKER_00: Um what's that mean?
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SPEAKER_00: Modern?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, well, it jujitsu has changed significantly as it's become more popular, and more people have competed and more competitions have taken place.
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SPEAKER_00: So a lot of like the strategies of how to win a jujitsu match have also changed, rule sets have changed, things like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's just gotten better.
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SPEAKER_00: And so you think it's gotten better?
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SPEAKER_00: Are there people that would be like it's ruining the sport, like it's going the wrong direction?
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SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no.
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SPEAKER_00: Because that's good, like, like at least the way that we approach it is is is kind of like from the sport aspect, but also like what is just good, proper jujitsu?
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SPEAKER_00: Like if there were no rules, like what should you prioritize and stuff like that?
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SPEAKER_00: And but I think the sport has also kind of evolved into that state as well, where before the sport would kind of reward things that like you would never want to do in like a self-defense situation, or you wouldn't really want to do that in like an MMA situation.
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SPEAKER_00: But now I feel like it's kind of tightened up to where like the strategies that you apply kind of apply across the board just strategically for grappling in general.
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SPEAKER_00: And at least that's also the approach that I try to bring to it as well.
3:21
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
3:22
SPEAKER_00: Can you give an example of one of those things?
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SPEAKER_00: Um they always prior prioritized like position, like top position, which is kind of like a universal thing.
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SPEAKER_00: But I think now you're starting to see a lot of the the way guys are prioritizing uh passing guard, which is like getting around people's legs and getting to a pin.
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SPEAKER_00: Um wrestling has now sort of taken priority, where before it was like not really stressed in the sport.
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SPEAKER_00: It wasn't something that guys practice as much.
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SPEAKER_00: Where now, especially because of MMA, and if you think about self-defense and things like that, your ability to wrestle dictates the position and everything first.
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SPEAKER_00: So now, strategically in the sport, it's like, hey, we all need to learn how to wrestle.
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SPEAKER_00: We can't just sit on our backs or pull somebody down on top of us and try to play off our back.
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SPEAKER_00: Because again, like self-defense, MMA, not particularly smart.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a skill set you have to have, but to have that as your initial strategy of like, I'm gonna go into this fight and lay down is like not good.
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SPEAKER_00: Not a deal.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So things like that have changed as far as like the culture of grappling.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
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SPEAKER_01: So um, and uh purists that are there, they're on board, like there's no conflict with like the jiu-jitsu nation.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I think there's some people that are just maybe they just feel like it's it's too late to go back and try to learn how to wrestle, especially if they're if they've been in jujitsu for 30 years and they're older.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's like, I'm not gonna be a wrestler, I'm gonna sit down and play off of my back, or I'm gonna, I'm gonna plan for what happens after I've been taken down by a wrestler.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a bunch of different ways that you can go about kind of mitigating, like, yeah, I'm not gonna learn how to become like a world-class wrestler, but maybe I could at least learn a little bit of defense, something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: So I wouldn't say there's necessarily a whole lot of pushback, but I think there's people that um sort of just decide like I miss that opportunity or I miss my chance to get good at that.
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SPEAKER_00: And that that happens too with with other aspects.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, 10 years ago, leg locks became super popular.
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SPEAKER_00: And there's a bunch of guys that are older in the sport that are just like, yeah, like I never learned them.
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SPEAKER_00: I just keep my legs away from people so they don't leglock me.
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SPEAKER_00: But they don't, they don't say, like, oh, now I want to learn leglocks.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think that's kind of now there's a little bit more of like a scramble focus, which ties into wrestling and stuff as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Where again, it's like guys don't want to have like a crazy scrambling match, and so they just they'll play like a more patient, slower paced game instead of understanding like what to do in these situations.
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SPEAKER_00: What would you describe as like the difference between wrestling and jujitsu?
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SPEAKER_00: Um, well, from a sports perspective, it's just uh how things are scored, what you're allowed to do, what you're not allowed to do.
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SPEAKER_00: And the the biggest obvious one is in jujitsu, there's submissions, so you can tap out when you're in pain and the match is over and you can go for submissions in wrestling.
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SPEAKER_00: You can't.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you're in pain, like you can't really do anything except like maybe give up a pin.
6:30
SPEAKER_00: But um that that's uh a big thing.
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SPEAKER_00: Um some of it too, like like defensively in wrestling, if you lay on your stomach, like it's a good way to avoid a pin because a pin is if your your shoulders are on the ground on your back.
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SPEAKER_00: But in jujitsu, you would never want to, you wouldn't want to go belly down because the guy can choke you from the back.
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SPEAKER_00: So there's little things like that.
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SPEAKER_01: So wrestling, um the the uh the goal is to pin somebody on their back with their shoulders for how long?
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SPEAKER_01: Three seconds.
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SPEAKER_01: A three-second pin.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But where jujitsu is like you're trying to submit somebody to tap out, choking, arm lock, leg lock, like bending their joints in the wrong way.
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SPEAKER_01: Correct, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But that's not a thing for wrestling, though.
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SPEAKER_01: No, yeah, it's just pin.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: So, but but for someone to be like um a world-class jujitsu competitor where like I want to compete, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Black belt, um, high-level competition, um, a background in wrestling would be very advantageous for them.
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SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_01: And then learning all the grappling and um submission uh opportunities with the jujitsu art.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Especially just because so would you tell somebody like start at wrestling first, do wrestling for a year and then come jujitsu?
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SPEAKER_01: Or like, no, do both or jujitsu first and then go to wrestling?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I would say like like that is a good strategy, like learn learn wrestling first.
7:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh it depends on age, I suppose.
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SPEAKER_00: So, like if we start at like the youngest possible, it would be like learn, you know, baby gymnastics, learn tumbling, learn how to move, learn your right from your left, learn how to, you know, somersault, and then advance from there, advance from there.
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SPEAKER_00: And then you could get into wrestling or jujitsu.
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SPEAKER_00: A lot of people put their kids in jujitsu uh at an early age, which is fine, especially for like the basic concepts and stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: What would be an early age?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, like I start my kids at eight, eight, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Eight years old.
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SPEAKER_00: Before that, it's like I said, it's like do gymnastics, do tumbling, you know, get the body awareness, get the the fitness that's associated with that.
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SPEAKER_00: And then eight years old, they can start to like cognitively understand some of the strategy, the game and strategy of jujitsu.
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SPEAKER_00: But that's also around the same age that uh if it's available to you, uh, parents will put their kids in some kind of youth wrestling program.
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SPEAKER_00: And then obviously, if you're again in a community that has like a strong high school wrestling or college wrestling, like all of those are great to supplement for jujitsu.
9:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: Um my uh I'm um my plan is to get my kids in some of that at some point.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, some things.
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SPEAKER_01: They're five and three, five and a half and three and a half.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So probably a little early for that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But um, what about like striking?
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SPEAKER_01: Like the hand, some of the like the hand-eye coordination or just the strategies of striking.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, striking is good.
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SPEAKER_00: You can definitely start that younger just because um, you know, you could always hit pads or hit a bag.
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SPEAKER_00: It seems more simple.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't have you're not completely dependent on going against a partner.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so you could always start that younger, but that's another thing that like I don't think kids will the majority of kids aren't gonna really get it until they're older, because then it then it does become like a one-on-one thing, and now you're hitting an actual person, and there's there's a whole thing with that.
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SPEAKER_00: But um, as far as like getting them just to learn how to punch, like, yeah, you can learn that very early on, and it it would be very intelligent just from a self-defense perspective of like this is how you want to stand, this is one how you want to hold your hands, this is how you throw a punch, this is how you move.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that you can start pretty young.
10:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:22
SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
10:23
SPEAKER_01: Um let's say somebody uh well but tell about more about your background.
10:28
SPEAKER_01: When did you start doing this the mixed martial arts?
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SPEAKER_01: Jiu Jitsu, yeah, striking.
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SPEAKER_00: So I started uh 2005, um, out of high school, in college, started doing martial arts, and uh I've just never I haven't stopped yet.
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SPEAKER_00: So um I've been doing it, doing it a long time.
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SPEAKER_00: Started with like Taekwondo, karate, and right after started getting into grappling, just doing everything together.
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SPEAKER_00: What made you go to Taekwondo and karate first?
10:59
SPEAKER_00: It was what was available.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
11:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was just like this is here, I want to do martial arts, I'll do this.
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SPEAKER_00: See if I like Taekwondo is like takedowns.
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SPEAKER_00: No, Taekwondo is striking, and it's striking where they prioritize kicks over punches.
11:15
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
11:15
SPEAKER_00: And so head kicks score higher than body kicks, spinning kicks score higher than just a regular kick to the head, and flying kick scores even more after that.
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SPEAKER_00: So from a sports perspective, it's it's just heavy kick focus.
11:31
SPEAKER_00: What about karate?
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SPEAKER_00: Karate's kind of a mix of both punches and kicks.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, there is like sport karate.
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SPEAKER_00: I think there they probably prioritize kicks, uh, probably score higher than punches too.
11:44
SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
11:45
SPEAKER_00: Cool.
11:46
SPEAKER_00: So you did karate and taekwondo first.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like pretty much at the same time started jujitsu.
11:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's like maybe a difference of like two months.
11:54
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
11:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
11:55
SPEAKER_00: Did jujitsu, and then you did that and you're like, oh, this is way better.
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SPEAKER_01: Or were you like, this is no.
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SPEAKER_00: My first jiu-jitsu experience was it was like pretty traditional, but it was at an MMA gym.
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SPEAKER_00: And um I was kind of limited in my like what classes I could take.
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SPEAKER_00: I would take like an early morning class before going to college, which is like, you know, I was driving like an hour and a half just to go to college.
12:19
SPEAKER_00: So I was taking this really early morning class, drive an hour and a half, go to school, and then after school, I would do like taekwondo, karate, and that kind of stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and I was just kind of lost.
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SPEAKER_00: Like the instruction wasn't great.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and you're like brand new, and you just kind of get like lost in a sea of other new people.
12:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, but like I learned, you know, a couple of the basics.
12:40
SPEAKER_00: I think I even competed under that school for my first competition.
12:43
SPEAKER_00: What belt were you at that point?
12:45
SPEAKER_00: White, yeah.
12:45
SPEAKER_00: This is beginning.
12:46
SPEAKER_00: White belt competition competition.
12:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was it was nothing.
12:49
SPEAKER_00: Um and then I ended up uh moving towns.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: So I moved from from Wellington to to Boynton.
12:58
SPEAKER_00: And um, and then I was I was doing Japanese jujitsu in judo in Lake Worth.
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SPEAKER_00: So still more grappling.
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SPEAKER_00: They did a lot of stuff on the ground as well.
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SPEAKER_00: But then with the judo, there was a lot of throws, and then they would do like some self-defense stuff too.
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SPEAKER_00: Is judo what I was thinking about with like the takedowns, like throws?
13:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like slamming.
13:18
SPEAKER_00: Yep, yeah, yeah.
13:19
SPEAKER_01: That's judo.
13:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:20
SPEAKER_00: Um with ghee, ghee and no gi, is that judo it's all gi.
13:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
13:24
SPEAKER_00: That was that was all gi.
13:26
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
13:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, but then another MMA gym opened up in Boynton.
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SPEAKER_00: I eventually joined that, so then I got back into more like specific Brazilian jujitsu.
13:37
SPEAKER_00: But because I had a lot of experience, especially striking, and now uh many years of grappling, um, at least like traditional grappling, uh, I was training a lot with the MMA fighters.
13:50
SPEAKER_00: So we didn't wear giz as much.
13:53
SPEAKER_00: And I was doing a lot more of like jujitsu for MMA.
13:57
SPEAKER_00: So again, like we weren't wearing giz.
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SPEAKER_00: I got into competing in MMA.
14:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, unfortunately, that gym closed, that MMA school closed, and then I was kind of training with my uh uh fighters and training partners who eventually were also, you know, my strength and conditioning clients um as a personal trainer and stuff.
14:18
SPEAKER_00: And we kind of like bounced around and kind of trained on our own.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't until like 10 years ago, 2016, I went to uh Texas to get uh a fitness certification under Joe DeFranco.
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SPEAKER_00: And at that gym they had uh jujitsu school, 10th planet jujitsu school.
14:39
SPEAKER_00: And I went there and trained, and I was like, oh, I don't know anything about jujitsu.
14:43
SPEAKER_00: And like I was already a couple MMA fights in, and I was like, there's a lot more to this than than what I was being taught in Florida.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was just because that system, 10th planet jujitsu, was very unorthodox, it was all no-gi, and like the instructor was really good, like way better than anything I had had in Florida.
15:03
SPEAKER_00: And then I was already familiar with it, but actually getting to experience it firsthand, I was like, man, this is this is awesome.
15:09
SPEAKER_00: And um what is more complex, more new age stuff, like new moves, like it's just a different approach, and just like the level of detail like specific for jujitsu was just vastly superior to sort of like MMA jujitsu, which is like, well, we're trying to win a fight, we're just kind of like we're gonna like tough through this, we're gonna get these positions, and we're gonna get into a position where we can punch somebody, not necessarily like get into the intricacies of like how to do specific jujitsu techniques.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: And then so I went through the 10th planet system for a very long time.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I would travel back to Texas, I would go to headquarters in LA, things like that.
15:49
SPEAKER_00: And I went for like a week workshop or a weekend, like just whatever I could, yeah.
15:53
SPEAKER_00: I'd go there for a week, or I'd go there for uh a weekend if they had like a big seminar or a big seminar summit or something like that.
16:00
SPEAKER_00: I would go.
16:00
SPEAKER_00: I did a couple fight camps through them too.
16:03
SPEAKER_00: And um, and but I would, you know, training in Florida.
16:07
SPEAKER_00: So I there's a lot of like just self-taught independent study and that kind of thing.
16:12
SPEAKER_00: And then eventually like opened up my own school, and then that's what I've been doing like the last five years and parted ways with with 10 planet, but to do a little bit more of like bring in the gi stuff, bring in kickboxing, and kind of like develop my own thing, and yeah, and so that's that's what we've been doing now for a long time.
16:33
SPEAKER_00: And you said you met um DeFrank Joe DeFranco, who's the guy they met in Texas?
16:37
SPEAKER_00: Joe DeFranco was he's a uh strength conditioning coach from New Jersey, and he was doing a certification um in Texas.
16:45
SPEAKER_00: He's the trainer for Triple H and WWE, trained a bunch of NFL players, um just an amazing uh strength coach.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: Cool.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: So it's like you know, I had certifications with NASM and and a couple other organizations for general personal training or you know, so a couple of specific things, but having the opportunity to learn from him and get certified under him was like, yeah, I'm gonna take up that opportunity for sure.
17:12
SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
17:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:13
SPEAKER_00: So when did you open your own thing?
17:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh for jujitsu is in 2020.
17:19
SPEAKER_00: I opened that up July 2020.
17:21
SPEAKER_00: So I'll hope I can grab it.
17:22
SPEAKER_01: Right before we met.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: Right after you, yeah, well, I was doing both jobs at the same time for I remember that.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: It was real.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: So that's what you're doing, and that's the same facility you're at now?
17:31
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: Yep, been there.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: This is going on our sixth year.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: Wow, it's amazing.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's awesome.
17:35
SPEAKER_01: Congrats.
17:36
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
17:36
SPEAKER_01: And your vision with that was to do it was to open a jiu-jitsu gym or fitness and jujitsu.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh, really just jujitsu.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh, we do a little bit of kickboxing.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: I've brought in a little bit of like the unconventional fitness stuff.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: We've done mobility seminars and brought in, you know, yogis and Pilates instructors and stuff like that too, to have like an overall sort of like wellness approach to it.
18:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:00
SPEAKER_00: But we've done some workshop, like injury screen prevention stuff there.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
18:04
SPEAKER_00: I brought you in a couple times and um trying to be more than like a holistic approach to it to supplement our jujitsu practice.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: But at it at its core, like we're just a straight jujitsu school or not an MMA school.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: Um and yeah, and like now, uh like I've recently put together like my my own entire curriculum and system, um, which I'm excited about.
18:29
SPEAKER_00: Like I launched that at the beginning of this year.
18:31
SPEAKER_00: And oh, so like two weeks, three weeks ago.
18:33
SPEAKER_00: Pretty much, yeah.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: It's been like a long time coming.
18:36
SPEAKER_00: There's been like a lot of like trial and experiments and in implementing the class structure and and the curriculum over several months, but like now it's like written down and and public and more systematized.
18:50
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah.
18:50
SPEAKER_00: What is it?
18:51
SPEAKER_00: It's just uh what's the goal?
18:54
SPEAKER_00: Our training curriculum.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: So the like the goal is like now there's like an actual structure in place where students know what we're learning, when we're gonna learn it, and like what each of the different subjects are.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, futuristically, it allows me to kind of like extrapolate this into written work or video work.
19:13
SPEAKER_00: And you know, we could always add and adjust things as as the sport evolves, but it's um the design of it was like how can I take somebody from day one beginner to an advanced rank for a competition for jujitsu?
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: So like white belt to purple belt.
19:31
SPEAKER_00: Like what should they learn?
19:33
SPEAKER_00: What's the hierarchy of techniques?
19:35
SPEAKER_00: What's the what should they be prioritizing?
19:37
SPEAKER_00: And like that was what the the design of that organization and that system is.
19:42
SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: How long have you been developing that?
19:45
SPEAKER_00: Oh I mean, realistically, it's been like a work in progress since I've opened.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: But I would say the first like pen to paper rough draft was probably like a year ago.
20:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: And then it was like, well, let's let's do this in class and develop it and learn from that over you know last 12, especially like the last six months, and then putting it all down.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: So the it's it's a it's a streamlined approach, and it's like, hey, if you want to be your entry entry level and be a purple belt, this is what you need to do.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: How long does that take?
20:27
SPEAKER_01: What's the expectation?
20:29
SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, buddy, give me three years, give me 10 years, give me a lot, like five years.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would say, I would say it's a it's a five year five year journey.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, depending on, you know, are you training every day?
20:40
SPEAKER_00: You're training once a week.
20:41
SPEAKER_00: Like it varies, but um, yeah, I would say that's a that's a five year thing.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: I would imagine a lot of adults, well, and students, like you know, youth, youth athletes.
20:53
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they let's say a three days a week, would they come in twice a week?
20:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's probably about right.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: So two or three days a week for a two-hour time period, that would take like step one to all the way to step A to Z.
21:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:08
SPEAKER_01: Purple belt at the end of like you're a purple belt approaching brown belt.
21:11
SPEAKER_01: That's the next belt.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: That's where you're at at the end of this.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: That would take like at that that length, that that time frame of uh frequency of training.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: That'd be a five-year journey.
21:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:21
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: And I think I think it's uh a conservative approach because you don't want to push somebody too far.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: And it's it's kind of done with the A.
21:30
SPEAKER_00: Like, really do think about some of the belt ranks in terms of competition.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: Not that like students have to compete or that competing is like the ultimate goal of everything, but it it it does put together like a an idea of like where you should stand as far as skill level goes.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. 'Cause in in Nogi in competition, they'll put, you know, all the white belts together and they'll put all the blue belts together.
21:59
SPEAKER_00: But Purple, brown, and black all compete together.
22:02
SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
22:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: So it goes beginner, intermediate, and then advanced.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: So you really don't want to be a purple belt until you're ready.
22:09
SPEAKER_00: Until you're ready.
22:10
SPEAKER_00: Unless you can hold your own.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: So the idea of the curriculum, the system I put together, I call it the keywork.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: The idea of the keywork is this is everything you need to do to become advanced, to be a purple belt, to be able to compete at this level.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: You should know these these different moves, these different systems.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: Why do they clump purple, brown, and black all together?
22:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think for maybe for initially it was uh just to consolidate the competitors.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot less people in each of those.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: Just more to manage.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because if they separated, you know, only black belts compete with black belts, there's very few competitors.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: So it's so everybody has more matches and stuff.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: Now I think it's I think the way that it's kind of played out is just the skill level, like a purple belt could absolutely submit a black belt.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, what's the difference in competition?
23:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's really just experience at that point.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: Like as far as like again, like if if we're following sort of the culture of jujitsu, and and again, the key work that I kind of put together is like that purple belt, you should know like everything that a black belt knows.
23:24
SPEAKER_00: The black belt just has like way more experience with it, and so they're you know, you would assume that they're gonna be better at it and those kinds of things are gonna have a little bit better technique behind it, but it would be like a disservice if you got to purple belt and you're like somebody did a move and you're like, I don't even know what that is.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: I mean, not that it doesn't happen, but it'd be like, How do you not know what that is?
23:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so then would the community be like, What gym are you from?
23:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that awarded you this purple belt.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: And that would just hurt a person's credibility.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: An organization's credibility.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: So just no benefit to that.
23:59
SPEAKER_01: No, it's all fake, it'd be just absolute fake presentation.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: It would be it would be a disservice to to like overpromote somebody, especially if you didn't give them the knowledge that that should carry with that.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: I would imagine in this community, in this sport, nobody like you have to have a ton of humility.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
24:19
SPEAKER_01: Like nobody's gonna be overprojecting.
24:21
SPEAKER_01: No, because it's because once you get you're gonna get your ass kicked, you know.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: I mean, like it's gonna be bad.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's uh it's like that.
24:28
SPEAKER_01: I think no one's gonna parade around and be like, Yeah, I'm a brown belt.
24:30
SPEAKER_01: You know, I probably could be, you know, not officially, but I could be.
24:34
SPEAKER_01: It's like, all right, let's get in here.
24:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's easy to test.
24:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
24:37
SPEAKER_00: Um no, no, you know, I'm sick today.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: I can't.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: And it it it does happen too in in striking.
24:42
SPEAKER_00: Like you can be a you know, a black belt and some kind of striking martial art, but like you get punched in the face, it's probably gonna hurt.
24:49
SPEAKER_00: You might get knocked out, you know.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, people get humbled in in striking all the time, too.
24:53
SPEAKER_00: It's like anytime you can actually have like, okay, let's compete, like there's always gonna have to be a lot of humility in it, especially if you're not on point.
25:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: What's like the ultimate level for jujitsu?
25:07
SPEAKER_00: The ultimate level in competition?
25:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, highest level.
25:10
SPEAKER_00: The highest level of competition in in jiu-jitsu is is ADCC, which is uh the Abu Dhabi uh combat club like championship.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: They do world championship every two years.
25:22
SPEAKER_00: They do um before that competition, they do trials in like all over the world.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: So they'll do like two in North America, they'll do one in Europe, one in Brazil, one in like Australasia, and they'll take the winners of those trials uh plus a couple of invites, and they'll put together like a 16-man tournament for each weight class.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: And then they compete over two days.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, so the last one was in 2024, and the next one is gonna be uh 2026, the August of this year.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: And they've already they've already done uh I believe the first North American trials and they've done the Australasia trials, I believe.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: So how many how many competitors from um North America would make would make the team would make the competition?
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh it'd be well for each weight class, you would have two.
26:18
SPEAKER_00: Two from North America.
26:21
SPEAKER_00: They do an East Coast uh trials and a West Coast trials for North America.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: So each weight class would have two Americans.
26:29
SPEAKER_00: Um what are the weight classes?
26:33
SPEAKER_00: It's like every 10 kilograms.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: Is it like featherweight, lightweight, the middle weight?
26:41
SPEAKER_00: Those would just be like 77 kilograms, 88, minus 99, plus 99, 55.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: So um, well, I think there's like six weight classes.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: Hold up.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: And um, but you know, when they do the trials, you know, like your your bracket, you know, especially at like 66 kilograms or something, be like 256 competitors in the bracket.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: And then they compete over two days to find the one guy who won the trials, and then the guy who won the trials goes to the world championship.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: But that's that's a crazy it's an elite.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
27:16
SPEAKER_00: And that's that's for Nogi, but it's it's still considered like just overall, like that is the like highest level of competition.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: Is there Olympics?
27:26
SPEAKER_00: No, that's as as close to the Olympics as as jujitsu gets.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: What's the MM?
27:31
SPEAKER_00: What's the martial art in in the Olympics?
27:34
SPEAKER_00: Uh judo, taekwondo, wrestling.
27:39
SPEAKER_00: I think that's it.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
27:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, boxing.
27:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, box, yeah, yeah.
27:43
SPEAKER_01: Um who are the same do you see the same names enter in like the main the high highest level championship, or is it always in fluctuation?
27:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, every once in a while you'll get like uh a judo Olympian who enters a sport of jujitsu.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: But that's probably the only crossover.
28:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:05
SPEAKER_01: So a lot of the do a lot of the same guys end up being like, this guy's back again, you know, this guy made it.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or you might get like an Olympic wrestler who gets into jujitsu and and works there, you know, goes into ADCC or something.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: Who who's the current reigning champ?
28:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: Ultimately, Gordon Ryan is is number one.
28:25
SPEAKER_00: So he's competed at heavyweight the last few years.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: He's like undefeated.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, he has not lost uh in a long time.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: He's at the end of his career, like he's not he's not really competing anymore.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: 30.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so it's like the same as like a professional athlete.
28:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:45
SPEAKER_01: Expectation.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: Mid-20s peak.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: Physicality.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: So he's crazy, but he's like the number, he's considered like number one uh jujitsu athlete in the world right now, even though he's not active, just overall, like credential-wise, especially in Nogi ADcc, like he has all the he's the Michael Phelps of yeah, he has the accolades.
29:10
SPEAKER_00: Um, there's other people that arguably have like far more accomplishments.
29:14
SPEAKER_00: Like there's a friend of mine, a really good guy, um, Rafael Lovato Jr., who's got way more accomplishments and has been doing this significantly longer.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, and he's done MMA, ghee, no gi.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: He's done everything.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: He just started wrestling for Ohio, I think.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Like in college.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: And he's, you know, way, way past college.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: How old is he?
29:38
SPEAKER_01: 40.
29:39
SPEAKER_01: And he's wrestling for Ohio?
29:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:41
SPEAKER_01: Because he never because he didn't compete in college previously.
29:43
SPEAKER_01: No.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: Huh.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: But it's just he's just uh he's an obsessive martial artist.
29:48
SPEAKER_00: Like when you think about like a practitioner and learner, lifelong learner of martial arts.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: So when you think about guys that are, you know, comparable to like a Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods or Michael Phelps, it's it's it would be a Lovato.
30:00
SPEAKER_00: Just that obsessive, competitive, like and just great at everything he does, it'd be him.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: So the well, the guys that do these world championship competitions, yep.
30:12
SPEAKER_01: They're in their mid-20s.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: 30 would be upper limits, like we're probably done at this point.
30:18
SPEAKER_01: Getting close to so if they're 25, then I mean they need to have started at 10 or 8, yeah, consistently, non-stop, and just and gotten it and like done well with it.
30:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's it's super beneficial to have started that young just to be around it and familiar with it and stuff like that.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: But like you're not gonna, you're not gonna apply yourself until you're probably 15, yeah, 16, 17, 16.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: And then so, but if you have that kind of like foundation from when you're young, by the time you're 18, you can ramp it up and you have a just a lot of fuel behind that that rocket.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: Or a good background and yeah, familiarity and all that.
31:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, there's some there's some prodigies that are winning world champions at the world championships at like 16 years old.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: Really?
31:09
SPEAKER_00: Just like just messing everybody up, competing against adults and just destroying them.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: Like that that does happen.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: And then there's people on the other side of it.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, there's guys like Lovato and and and others who are even older that like still hold their own in their 40s that are you know competing at ADCC and winning trials and still doing it.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: Is that a goal of yours?
31:32
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm too old.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it it would be nice, but it's it's one of those things where like, man, I wish I wish some things had started a lot earlier.
31:41
SPEAKER_00: I wish I had uh a different support system when I was into it.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Different guidance and support and familiar, just exposure, yeah, access.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a lot of a lot of what I've I've done has been self-taught for better or worse.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: Well, because it's pretty amazing with the where you're at for just being a lot of self-taught.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: That's pretty cool.
32:01
SPEAKER_01: Um, what would what would be a recipe for someone to be like, um, I'm gonna be an elite jujitsu competitor?
32:07
SPEAKER_01: What do they need to do?
32:08
SPEAKER_01: They need to work out, yeah.
32:10
SPEAKER_01: There's an underlying base of fitness, endurance, strength, stability, core.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: Like, what do they need?
32:15
SPEAKER_01: Do they need to run five miles a day?
32:16
SPEAKER_01: Do they need to like do high interval sprint training and stuff like that?
32:20
SPEAKER_01: Like, what do they need?
32:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, well, if we're talking specifically fitness, the the things that translate the best to jujitsu uh are swimming and probably rock climbing, especially if you're in the ghee, rock climbing is really good.
32:35
SPEAKER_00: But rock climbing is is really good for endurance and strength like combined.
32:40
SPEAKER_00: And then swimming is probably the best for like overall endurance and uh cardio to translate over to jujitsu, more so than running or anything else, really.
32:51
SPEAKER_01: What what swimming um just freestyle stroke is what you're saying, just like regular swimming.
32:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like but high high velocity, like sprint swimming.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can work in sprints and swimming.
33:02
SPEAKER_01: Or just long duration, just swim at a casual pace for 45 minutes.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think if you're just if you're doing laps, like get laps of swimming in, because it's the most, you know, it's it's this full body uh kind of pressure having to hold your breath.
33:17
SPEAKER_00: That's very similar to jujitsu.
33:19
SPEAKER_01: But the great thing is like swimming, there's no there's some resistance, but it's not high impact for your for your body.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: And you're so it's not like your training is adding more impact because you're getting a lot of impact with the actual skill with the jiu-jitsu.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a lot of like stretching and compressing in in jiu-jitsu and swimming.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: So it's just like this whole full body experience that's very comparable.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: I would imagine like rank like flexibility would be really important to be successful.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, durability over everything.
33:46
SPEAKER_00: So having uh being flexible and and having dexterities is huge too, because you have to like constantly be able to like move limbs into positions without limitations.
33:57
SPEAKER_00: So if you have breaking, yeah.
33:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you have the dexterity to like you know, bring your leg up to your nose or something, that's that's it's very good.
34:03
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, being and then being flexible when somebody's you know putting you in a compromised position and you're you're good, like that's that's always very beneficial.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: And then uh what like weight training would be important?
34:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think, you know, you can get into the like the endurance stuff, but you know, jujitsu athletes are not track athletes.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: So when it comes to weights, strength is probably more important than anything.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: Like to be physically strong and have a good grip and be able to like comfortably move weight around, and then also just if you're strong, you're durable.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: So for injury prevention, like strength training is ideal.
34:46
SPEAKER_01: So like move weight around.
34:48
SPEAKER_01: I would so I'd imagine like a lot of like functional, like core stability type of exercises, grip strength is what you're saying.
34:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:57
SPEAKER_00: Interesting, that's cool.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, to to a certain degree, it's like you want to almost have like uh for pure strength, it's like you almost want to be on like a power lifting program, and then you want to obviously give special attention to a lot of core and and rotation exercises.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: I would imagine like landmine exercises would be really beneficial.
35:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a lot of the 3D strap rotational med ball slams, yeah, stuff like that.
35:25
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, I know jump rope is really important for other aspects like for boxing, right?
35:32
SPEAKER_01: But that doesn't really translate.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: Not as much.
35:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I think if you're in a sport like boxing or kickboxing, you're on your feet, like then jump rope is great because you want that.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: You need strong ankles, you need uh the plyometrics of it, you need you need that kind of endurance, the endurance of your calves, all that stuff needs to come to you.
35:53
SPEAKER_00: You're doing like bouncing in your toes a lot.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: So you need to like, you know, when we do kickboxing, it's like we're jumping rope for a minimum of three minutes, sometimes 10 minutes, and it's it's for that.
36:03
SPEAKER_00: But we wouldn't do that for jujitsu because we're not on our feet, we're not bouncing around, we're not jumping, we're not doing any of that kind of thing.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: But for striking arts, if you're doing especially a lot of kicks, if you're doing boxing, you're constantly cutting angles and stuff like that, having that spring in your step and being able to just like constantly jump rope, like that's translates obviously a lot more help for yeah.
36:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, let's say somebody wanted someone's reaching out and they're like, oh, I wanted to get into this now.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: And they're like a 30-year-old dude that works and you know has some physical shape, but they want to get better.
36:37
SPEAKER_01: They have uh they they work a full-time job, of course, they have a career.
36:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, and they're like, I want to sign up for this five-year journey, comprehensive new Ryan Conforty, uh, you know, jujitsu thing.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, what what would what would they need to, what's the recipe?
36:54
SPEAKER_01: Like, all right, let's say you really want to do this.
36:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:57
SPEAKER_01: Doesn't like we want to dive in.
36:58
SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna do too much too fast, but it's gonna be a recipe of skill work, some fitness, a day of swimming, mobility every day.
37:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what would that recipe look like?
37:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I think you would have to be training, you know, doing your jujitsu two, three times a week for sure.
37:16
SPEAKER_00: And then on, you know, two of those days, you should be in the gym lifting.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: And then a third uh off day would be for uh swimming and um some kind of cardio uh in that aspect.
37:33
SPEAKER_00: And then throughout that week, you'd have to be, you know, applying uh your flexibility, getting yoga or Pilates.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: Pilates translates really well to jujitsu, probably more so than yoga, um, just because of the muscle groups targeted and kind of like some of the isolation stuff.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: Um Pilates like there's some resistance training involved with Pilates.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's and it's all based around core stability and strength.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it it gets into glutes and hamstrings quite a bit, which are always underrated in most athletes.
38:07
SPEAKER_00: So Pilates is is really good for jujitsu.
38:11
SPEAKER_01: I would imagine like it seems attractive because uh, at least from my own perspective, something like that, because it's like, all right, I have a plan.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: If I stick to it long enough, this is the goal.
38:20
SPEAKER_01: I can see what that looks like.
38:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna be there tomorrow.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: Right.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: But that's just a plan.
38:24
SPEAKER_01: If I stick to it, then I know I'm on the right trajectory.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:27
SPEAKER_01: And it's gonna take the two or three days a week of skill work of like learning jujitsu.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:33
SPEAKER_01: All right, that's let's say three days, uh an hour and a half each.
38:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just about, yeah.
38:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then stretch, you know, mobility stuff at warming up ahead of time.
38:41
SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe so it's a two-hour event per training session for the skill work.
38:46
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
38:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, two days a week week of strength training, yeah.
38:50
SPEAKER_01: With an hour each.
38:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: Right.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: So that's five days a week, and then a sixth day with swimming.
38:55
SPEAKER_01: Right.
38:55
SPEAKER_01: And cardio type of base exercise.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: Swimming.
38:59
SPEAKER_01: What's it do swimming?
38:59
SPEAKER_01: So that's and then the seventh day rest.
39:02
unknown: Yeah.
39:02
SPEAKER_00: And it it doesn't matter.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: And at the end of that, I mean, like you could do it that way.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: But to be realistic, like you could do jujitsu and a strength day together.
39:15
SPEAKER_00: Same day.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: Like so, because like all of a sudden you're like, man, this is like I have to give up.
39:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm dedicating six days of my week to this, to this goal, which is great, but like you can consolidate it a little bit and make it more chewable.
39:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
39:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then let's say somebody stuck to that plan um a year later, uh that person would be a new person.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
39:36
SPEAKER_01: Five years later, they'd be a completely unrecognizable.
39:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:39
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've seen I've seen significant, significant changes in people within six months of starting jujitsu, like on the mat for sure.
39:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, but then it's there's uh so many success stories in my school of of guys who like started and then now they've lost weight, or they've made fitness part of their lifestyle, they've changed their nutrition, they've changed their sleeping habits.
40:06
SPEAKER_00: Like there's it changes everything uh for the better once you start a habit like jujitsu or some kind of wellness habit like that.
40:17
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's super attractive, like for a from my own perspective, you know, um, and people I've talked with from like a young man that's like in his 30s, right?
40:25
SPEAKER_01: A late 20s, yeah, that's not the version of themselves they want to be, or young woman, you know, like in that same age group.
40:31
SPEAKER_01: They're like, I'm not who I want to be.
40:33
SPEAKER_01: I want to be more, I want to be fit, I want to be strong, confident, whatever, dialed in, disciplined.
40:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, it's attractive because it's like, um, I want to, I want to really elevate my my fitness game, yeah, my life, my discipline, and take tackle a lot of these areas of nutrition as well and sleep, just um that because it requires a lot of dedication.
40:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:56
SPEAKER_01: Where it's like, I want to be a new person in a year, six months, you know, like a a recognizable difference and change.
41:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:02
SPEAKER_01: New person in a year.
41:04
SPEAKER_01: That's not that long.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: No.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: And it's it's uh it's unique in the the community that kind of forms, uh, especially in in in a good school, because you have everybody from every race, religion, job, occupation, like everybody's training together.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: And uh you end up with this really cool community and like a really cool support group.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: And so you end up having people to train with.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: You have people that are also doing yoga classes and fitness, and they're supporting and commenting on the fact that, like, hey, you've gotten stronger, you've gotten, you've lost weight, you've done this.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: And so, like, even from like a mental health aspect of it, especially for for men to have like this this third place outside of work and home.
41:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like jujitsu is one of the best because you're around other guys and you can have like a healthy community, especially if you're if you're at a good school, it's it's it's healthy.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: And so it's I've seen a lot of things from that perspective of guys who have, you know, made friends, they've improved their self-esteem.
42:13
SPEAKER_00: There's there's all these other things that go into it, as well as like the fitness, and then you know, we're all here to do jujitsu.
42:20
SPEAKER_01: I think well, two things to say is like no matter what your background is, it's like we're all gonna be on the mat.
42:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:25
SPEAKER_01: You know, we all come together in this one yeah, humility-forming and challenging thing.
42:31
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter where you're from.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's you know, lawyers and cops and fry cooks and college students, and everybody's training together.
42:40
SPEAKER_00: It's like everybody's always equal all the time.
42:42
SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's really cool.
42:44
SPEAKER_01: The other thing I I definitely don't underestimate um or undervalue is the male camaraderie component because it's hard, you know, like you're a like a man that um fam work and home, um that aspect for sure fizzles.
43:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
43:00
SPEAKER_01: Less and less time.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: And then it just it's something that um I mean, for I've spoken with other people too, it's like it's craving when it's like, man, like, man, I missed this, you know.
43:11
SPEAKER_01: And then you're also getting some physicality out.
43:13
SPEAKER_01: Because men, you know, like this is the way we are, like a large majority, like they want to get some kind of physicality, some um that hard, intense energy, you know, yeah, that is important.
43:24
SPEAKER_01: And that just really helps the mental health component from from what I've heard.
43:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like we we like to wrestle.
43:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like we can, we can, you know, we can hit a heavy bag and like that's fun too.
43:33
SPEAKER_00: We don't, we don't really wanna nobody wants to get punched in the face.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's an aspect of martial arts that is enjoyable to an extent, but it's like to be able to like wrestle and do all that stuff, and yeah, like you know, you either have your friends from when you you were younger, if you still have them, or you have like your work friends.
43:51
SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, where else do you guys get friends?
43:53
SPEAKER_00: You gotta go to Jiu Jitsu.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: You know, you go to the gym, it's like you gotta seek it somewhere, head headphones are in.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: And I'm here to lift weights.
44:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm not I'm not interacting with any other people.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: No.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: Jiu-Jitsu and martial arts is is is really good in that perspective.
44:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's cool.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: Love that.
44:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, so the main question though would be like, what the main barrier from my understanding was people will be like, Why doesn't I don't get hurt?
44:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:18
SPEAKER_01: Um like my shoulder, I don't want to, I don't want to dislocate my shoulder or tear a rotator cuff, hurt my neck, my back, yeah, get my knee twisted, whatever.
44:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I think a little bit of that is exaggerated to an extent.
44:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean, little things can happen.
44:34
SPEAKER_00: You might sprain something here or there or whatever, but like, dude, I haven't we haven't had like any there's been no catastrophic major injuries or something like that.
44:43
SPEAKER_00: And I think it it comes down to the school and the culture and like we train real safe and being fine, being like appropriate.
44:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:53
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've been I've been doing this for 20 years, and I I haven't had like a a major catastrophic injury as a result of jujitsu or somebody doing something that they shouldn't, like you know, haven't haven't my knees are fine, my elbows and shoulders are fine, my necks okay.
45:10
SPEAKER_00: It's like it those situations, like you know, they'll get highlighted um when they happen online somewhere in a competition or something like that.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: But like, dude, like it shouldn't shouldn't ever exist inside the school.
45:24
SPEAKER_00: And like when you see it inside the school somewhere, it's like, yeah, it's it's not a good school.
45:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's not a good coach, it's not a good school.
45:30
SPEAKER_00: It shouldn't shouldn't happen.
45:31
SPEAKER_00: There shouldn't be part of the culture of like, yep, you're gonna get hurt.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes this happens.
45:35
SPEAKER_00: Like, dude, this never happens.
45:37
SPEAKER_00: It never happens.
45:39
SPEAKER_01: I would say, I mean, I I also a component of like like for men, especially.
45:45
SPEAKER_01: I mean, some women too, of course.
45:46
SPEAKER_01: It just seems to be I'm also my own perspective as a man too.
45:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:49
SPEAKER_01: But um a little bit of of injury, like or discomfort, you know, is a good thing.
45:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:56
SPEAKER_01: And then also I think imagine if somebody like tweaked their arm and their arm hurts.
46:02
SPEAKER_01: Imagine, and then they, you know, it'll heal up as long as you don't like F it up.
46:05
SPEAKER_01: Go see a physio, maybe get some inside insight.
46:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:08
SPEAKER_01: And then it feels fine, then you get back to it.
46:09
SPEAKER_01: By the tenth time that it happens, it's not gonna be that you're gonna be like, oh, it's just a spring, you know, like, or like it's just like it's it'd be the gravity and the and the unfamiliarity, yeah.
46:20
SPEAKER_01: The component of being scared about it really diminishes.
46:23
SPEAKER_01: And I'm speaking of like when I played football, right?
46:25
SPEAKER_01: Like you get banged up all the time.
46:27
SPEAKER_01: Right.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:27
SPEAKER_01: No, I'm just banging, I just banged up right now.
46:29
SPEAKER_01: I'll give I'll be all right.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it builds it builds a lot of resilience, builds resilience, yeah.
46:33
SPEAKER_00: A little bit of mental fortitude.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: And that's something that's definitely lacking in in culture in general.
46:37
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it definitely builds a lot of resilience.
46:39
SPEAKER_00: And a lot of it is like, it's almost like uh if you're dealing with like a small child, where it's like something happens for the first time and like, oh no, like this is this is like this.
46:49
SPEAKER_00: And you're like, yeah, you're gonna be fine.
46:51
SPEAKER_00: Catastrophic.
46:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're gonna be fine.
46:52
SPEAKER_00: And like, oh, okay, yeah, it's not so bad.
46:54
SPEAKER_00: And like, so that's part of like the evolution that you'll kind of see, especially in like those six months where it's like, you know, getting, you know, being pinned down is like super uncomfortable, and and like, you know, you have like a uh like you could have like a panic reaction to it, like not like a full panic, but like it's like oh no, somebody's holding me down.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: And then like six months later, you're totally like someone's holding you down, you're like, I'm fine, I'm just gonna keep moving, and now you know how to escape.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: And it's like you're not even you don't even think you don't really phase as much.
47:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like you get into a pinning position and somebody's on top of you, and there's like zero panic, which like what a gift that would be for someone to have, like as a skill to learn, like, oh, I'm fine, I'm okay.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: And to have that kind of confidence of like, even though I'm not in this good position, even though this guy's holding my arm this way, even though this guy's on my back, I'm fine.
47:47
SPEAKER_00: I'm what I'm not panicking, I'm not panicking, keeping my composure and then think about like how can I get out of this?
47:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what am I having for dinner tonight?
47:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
47:54
SPEAKER_00: When I get back into this, I need to get out of this list.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: So it's like that difference of like from your first class and being in those positions for the first time.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: So all of a sudden it's like, dude, you you really do develop like an overall state of calmness despite you know, bad situations.
48:10
SPEAKER_01: Parallel situations, yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:12
SPEAKER_01: There was an interesting, like I I forget what fight it was uh because I really don't I really don't have any fight background.
48:18
SPEAKER_01: I did some kickboxing stuff with you guys at Ultima and uh learned some skill.
48:22
SPEAKER_01: Like I thought it was cool, it was fun, you know, get some energy out, some aggression out, and then learn some skills.
48:27
SPEAKER_01: But um, so I really don't watch uh UFC that much or MMA, but I was there's a fight I was watching, it was somewhat recently, maybe a couple years ago, but this dude who was an absolute veteran, there was like a high-level fight, and uh he got him in like this arm lock of some sort, broke his arm.
48:41
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and then the guy just sat up, the guy with a broken arm sat up and he just like shook with his other arm shook the guy's hand.
48:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you knew what happened.
48:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the guy's arm was broke, you know?
48:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, his humorous bone, you know, like his massive arm bone.
48:55
SPEAKER_00: I th I believe that was probably Frank Mir and Antonio Nogera, if I had uh if I had to.
49:00
SPEAKER_01: But he had him like in like an arm lock like that, and he just like broke it, yeah, and you saw it snap.
49:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the guy was like he realized like I lost, and he was like, Hey man, good one, you know.
49:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's there's a couple could you actually get to a point like that where you break your arm, you're like, yeah, broke, but like good job, you know, like hey, good fight.
49:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's go to the hospital, we'll take care of it.
49:19
SPEAKER_00: There's been a couple of those in MMA that could have been Jamal Hill or even even Jockey.
49:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
49:23
SPEAKER_01: It was within a couple years, yeah.
49:24
SPEAKER_00: But um, I was like, man, yeah, mentioned anybody else, resiliency.
49:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, granted, like UFC fighters are several levels above, just like your neighborhood jujitsu school.
49:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like they are trying to, you know, they're gonna take everything all the way.
49:40
SPEAKER_00: So it's like, you know, and they're you're trying not to tap out to things like that.
49:45
SPEAKER_00: So different level of extreme, but yeah, it is that kind of like toughness and like and sportsmanship of like good job, you know, like I'm I'm gonna heal up and I'm gonna go fight again.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: And like we forget that that even happened, like, oh yeah, that guy got his arm broken before.
50:03
SPEAKER_01: What um I remember that one fight with Silva where he broke his leg?
50:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's terrified within the first minute or something.
50:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, huge fight.
50:10
SPEAKER_01: I remember I was watching it, I was in college and it was like we were out about, and it's like, there it is, the main event.
50:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like first kick, dude broke his foot or his leg.
50:19
SPEAKER_01: What happened with that?
50:21
SPEAKER_00: So it's it I I wish it was less common.
50:24
SPEAKER_00: It it is it is still like statistically very uncommon, but in Muay Thai fights or in MMA, uh you can throw a leg kick because you're throwing a kick low, and if the guy blocks with a shin or the kick lands on something hard like the knee or something like that, it could snap your shin, and you can you can you can break your leg that way.
50:51
SPEAKER_01: And um and that's just what happened with Silva.
50:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, did he hit the guy the dude's knee or shin?
50:56
SPEAKER_01: Like what do you hit?
50:57
SPEAKER_01: I think with his, he hit his knee.
51:00
SPEAKER_01: So the guy the def he put up his leg in defense.
51:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that was uh against Chris Wideman.
51:06
SPEAKER_00: And um yeah, he went through the kick and it and the guy brought his leg up to block it, and the kick happened to land on the knee, and then Silva's Silva's shin broke.
51:17
SPEAKER_00: And then ironically, not ironically, I guess ironically, um, a couple years later, that same thing happened to Chris Weideman against another guy.
51:26
SPEAKER_00: Same thing.
51:26
SPEAKER_00: He went to go throw his kick and then his leg broke.
51:29
SPEAKER_00: And it's one of it's such a terrible injury for a number of reasons, just because like it breaks, you go to step back, there's no support, like things just get worse and worse.
51:39
SPEAKER_00: But the recovery for that is you almost like don't really come back from it.
51:45
SPEAKER_00: You're gonna be out at least a year, and then it's tough.
51:49
SPEAKER_00: The same thing happened to uh Connor McGregor broke his shin, also when um this would have been uh I want to say like four years ago.
52:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, broke is in I mean Joe Thysman, famous one with uh in the NFL, broke his shin like that.
52:08
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
52:09
SPEAKER_01: Um said vicious and WWE broke his shin like that, and then uh Paul George with the when he was with the Pacers, he landed awkwardly, did that.
52:17
SPEAKER_01: Louisville, yeah, a Louisville basketball player landed on one leg, snapped his shin on a land.
52:22
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
52:22
SPEAKER_01: Um there was some uh who was that recent quarterback um in the NFL that broke his shin.
52:27
SPEAKER_01: But anyway, it's it's like there's like risk of need to amputate with a bad enough break like that, because um if blood supply can get cut off and then things can get necrotic and die like pretty quick, but then yeah, it's just tough because it's like the bounce back is a long time and not like the likelihood of getting back to like the strength and power and explosiveness that you would, you know, it's just hard, you know.
52:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's um it's a super unfortunate injury that happens in contact sports or field sports like that.
53:00
SPEAKER_00: Um you know, but again, like we're observing it happening at like the highest level of competition where like, you know, it's far different from like again, your jujitsu school, you're just gonna you're not gonna break your shin.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, how do you because you're a busy guy?
53:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:19
SPEAKER_01: And you still train jujitsu, you still practice.
53:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:23
SPEAKER_01: And you work out.
53:24
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
53:24
SPEAKER_01: How do you navigate your own busy schedule to be able to get in your workouts and things you want to do?
53:30
SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, I have a pretty structured routine, you know, daily and and weekly.
53:37
SPEAKER_00: So um my times and stuff are are consistent.
53:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh we've talked about this before.
53:44
SPEAKER_00: Like, I really don't sleep very much.
53:47
SPEAKER_00: Are you still doing that?
53:48
SPEAKER_00: I it's it's gotten better.
53:50
SPEAKER_00: Um it's it's gotten significantly better.
53:53
SPEAKER_00: But what's your sleep schedule now?
53:56
SPEAKER_00: Um if I can, I'm in bed by nine.
53:59
SPEAKER_00: I still have to wake up at you know, like 4 30, 5 o'clock to teach in the mornings, but um that's not to say that I don't have uh a lot of nights where I'm I'm asleep for like two or three hours, or sometimes not at all.
54:14
SPEAKER_00: Um I'll definitely try to take naps in between classes sometimes.
54:19
SPEAKER_00: So it's like, you know, maybe maybe I slept for two or three hours at night, but I'm gonna get another two hours here and another hour and a half there.
54:29
SPEAKER_00: And it's like staggered sleeping.
54:31
SPEAKER_00: Not ideal.
54:32
SPEAKER_00: We don't recommend it.
54:33
SPEAKER_00: But um have you always been like that?
54:35
SPEAKER_00: No, I used to never be able to take naps.
54:37
SPEAKER_00: Or I mean like just sleep in general, like uh yeah, I've had lifelong problems with sleep for one reason or another, but when the when everything falls into place, I have no problem sleeping.
54:51
SPEAKER_01: And the best case scenario, yeah.
54:53
SPEAKER_01: In bed at nine, fall asleep at nine fifteen, wake up at four uninterrupted.
54:57
SPEAKER_01: Five, yeah.
54:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:58
SPEAKER_01: All right, yeah, that's good.
55:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not bad.
55:00
SPEAKER_01: How often does that happen?
55:02
SPEAKER_01: If there's seven days a week, let's say there's 30 days in a month, yeah.
55:05
SPEAKER_01: How many of those days in a month does that occur?
55:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh I can I can maybe pull that off probably average once or twice a week.
55:13
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
55:14
SPEAKER_00: For the most part, like on a good week, I'll do that like four times.
55:17
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
55:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
55:18
SPEAKER_01: So over the span of a month, that looks like eight, four to ten times, maybe.
55:24
SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
55:24
SPEAKER_01: All right.
55:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
55:26
SPEAKER_00: That's like that's like a newborn baby mom sleep schedule, you know?
55:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm on, I feel like I'm on like the the presidential sleep schedule for I don't know how many years, my whole life.
55:36
SPEAKER_00: 39 years now.
55:37
SPEAKER_01: Just what and so worst case scenario, what's it look like?
55:42
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I've done I've done consecutive days of without sleep.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: I've done consecutive days.
55:49
SPEAKER_01: Or like you you lay in bed and you're like, this isn't working.
55:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna get up.
55:51
SPEAKER_00: Or you're just I'm just up.
55:53
SPEAKER_00: You're not even gonna go to bed.
55:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:54
SPEAKER_00: I've I've done where I'm up for 48 hours or or even longer before.
55:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's gotten gnarly.
56:00
SPEAKER_01: My gosh.
56:01
SPEAKER_01: How do you feel but the end of it?
56:02
SPEAKER_01: Like it's oh, I feel sick.
56:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:05
SPEAKER_00: I ironically, like, I don't ever get sick.
56:07
SPEAKER_00: I haven't been sick in, I don't know, a very long time.
56:10
SPEAKER_00: Seven, eight years, something like that.
56:12
SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't get sick, which might be because like my body just can't just can't get sick anymore.
56:19
SPEAKER_00: Well, you're exposed to so much.
56:21
SPEAKER_00: It's I'm too busy.
56:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's too busy.
56:23
SPEAKER_00: It's like I I sometimes I'm afraid like if I if I actually rested, my body'd be like, all right.
56:28
SPEAKER_00: So now it's time to get sick.
56:31
SPEAKER_01: We've been waiting for this.
56:32
SPEAKER_00: We've been waiting for this.
56:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna bring this in now, and now you're gonna get sick.
56:36
SPEAKER_00: But no, like um I've just adapted to it, I think.
56:41
SPEAKER_00: And um it's a lot of it's just kind of like when you're an entrepreneur or school owner or you have like responsibilities, it's like you you have to fulfill those things no matter what.
56:55
SPEAKER_00: That's a good thing.
56:55
SPEAKER_00: That's the job, that's the obligation.
56:57
SPEAKER_00: Like you've you could you could not do it, but like I'm just not that guy.
57:03
SPEAKER_01: Um so the times where you're like this isn't working, I'm not gonna sleep.
57:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, do you know that ahead of time?
57:08
SPEAKER_01: Can you feel it?
57:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm gonna try, I'm gonna lay in bed, and I'm just up, and you just get out of bed and start doing stuff.
57:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, sometimes it's it's insomnia, sometimes it's it's you know, noisy neighbors or something like that, where it's like I don't have a choice but to be awake, which is which is a miserable, yeah, it's miserable.
57:27
SPEAKER_00: But um yeah, like if it's insomnia, it's like you start to play this game of like, well, I'm gonna try to sleep.
57:35
SPEAKER_00: And then like if an hour or two goes by, you start to just accept the fact that like I'm not gonna sleep.
57:41
SPEAKER_00: So instead of laying here being uncomfortable, like I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna be productive or I'm gonna, you know, at the very least, I'll I'll watch TV or something or a movie to just like not do nothing.
57:56
SPEAKER_00: Even if it's like read a book to try and sleep or something, it's like it becomes like all right, I'm not gonna lay down and like quote unquote waste time trying to sleep when I can't.
58:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna I'm gonna do something else.
58:07
SPEAKER_01: What do you read?
58:08
SPEAKER_01: You read anything right now?
58:10
SPEAKER_00: No, right now I'm not on on it on anything.
58:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
58:15
SPEAKER_00: Well what's your next book?
58:16
SPEAKER_00: I have no idea.
58:18
SPEAKER_00: I need some recommendations.
58:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've been I've been way off my reading schedule.
58:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
58:22
SPEAKER_01: Um, what was the last book you read?
58:25
SPEAKER_01: Like what if you read, what do you usually read?
58:28
SPEAKER_01: Like Jocko Willink self-help books or like novels and fiction?
58:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I, you know, like romance novels like 50 Shades of Grey.
58:36
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
58:37
SPEAKER_01: I'm on the second Fifty Shades of Grey.
58:38
SPEAKER_01: It's very intense.
58:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, I don't even remember the last the last book I read.
58:44
SPEAKER_00: Like it was it wasn't atomic habits, but it was something like that.
58:47
SPEAKER_00: So it was like a self-help thing.
58:48
SPEAKER_00: It might have been like Gillian Turecki, she's like a uh love life coach type person.
58:55
SPEAKER_00: I think I read her book.
58:55
SPEAKER_00: She came out with a new book a year ago.
58:58
SPEAKER_00: So that might have been like the last one uh that I I read.
59:01
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it's like self-help, whatever.
59:04
SPEAKER_00: But self-help stuff, like sometimes it's like this isn't what I want to read anymore.
59:09
SPEAKER_00: Like I wanna, I want to get lost in a in a story.
59:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like give me understandable.
59:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, give me a a crime, like I need something outside of this like wellness, fitness, you know, thing that I'm just like constantly stuck in.
59:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
59:24
SPEAKER_01: So I get it.
59:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I get that.
59:26
SPEAKER_01: All right, man.
59:27
SPEAKER_01: Well, thanks for coming in.
59:28
SPEAKER_01: If people wanna uh reach out and they're like, hey, I want to get on this five-year game plan, yeah, comprehensive game plan and be a ninja in a year, yeah, be an ultra ninja in five years, how can they reach out to you and find you?
59:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh website roguewave wpb.com and then all the social media, Instagram, Facebook, everything is Rogue Wave WPB.
59:49
SPEAKER_00: WPB West Palm Beach.
59:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
59:51
SPEAKER_00: And uh we're on YouTube, Rogue Wave Martial Arts.
59:54
SPEAKER_00: There's like some instructional stuff there.
59:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh we're everywhere on so just submit something on your website, yeah, form, email, DM, DM.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_00: Email contact at roguewave wpb.com.
1:00:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just just reach out.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_01: All right, man.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_01: Well, thanks for coming in.
1:00:09
SPEAKER_01: And um, it's always a pleasure, and hopefully your sleep can get more locked in.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_00: Next time I come in, we'll have to get into a whole conversation on on biohacking and all that kind of stuff.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_00: That'll be the that'll tie into my sleep.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_00: That'll be good.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:00:24
SPEAKER_01: Um, and if y'all have any questions, uh don't hesitate to reach out.
1:00:26
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1:00:27
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1:00:37
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1:00:42
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