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Polywars | Jerm Warfare Weekly Banter · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is germ warfare, the battle
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Speaker 1: of ideas. We are stable. Good morning, gentlemen. I have
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Speaker 1: my coffee, freshly ground with cream, high fat locale hydrate.
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Speaker 1: I still don't know. I still don't know if coffee
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Speaker 1: itself is a good or bad thing. Nobody seems to
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Speaker 1: already have a good argument one way or the other.
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Speaker 1: All I know is that it's something I enjoy having
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Speaker 1: in the morning. What about you, Lars, is not that cafe? No,
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Speaker 1: but that's not coffee. That's just instant nonsense. I grond
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Speaker 1: my beans, grind my beans, I beg important.
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Speaker 2: Well, the cream is the cream is the important bit there.
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Speaker 2: That's that's really what people should be focusing on.
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Speaker 1: And I've had a lot of decaf recently. It's just
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Speaker 1: it's way too bitter.
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Speaker 2: Well, well, as I say, just take the coffee out,
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Speaker 2: concentrate on the cream.
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Speaker 3: And you're right man. This is a tough crowd.
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Speaker 1: I I've been engaging, much to my own disappointment, and
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Speaker 1: I am going to I have decided to stop. But
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Speaker 1: I've been engaging recently with a few people on substack
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Speaker 1: who are still part of this relentless attack on me
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Speaker 1: and by extension, you know, you guys and UK column,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. But what I've been trying to do actually
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Speaker 1: is just figure out what some of these arguments actually are.
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Speaker 1: And I haven't been able to figure that out because
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Speaker 1: a tactic is to remain vague.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: So the one guy said to me yesterday, it's just
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Speaker 1: a feeling that I have, So, you know, he literally
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Speaker 1: admits that it's just nothing, really, and.
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Speaker 4: It came to.
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Speaker 1: It came to my attention really that there's a strong
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Speaker 1: disconnect on a sort of meta level. Yet there's a
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Speaker 1: strong disconnect between reality and theory. There's like this, there's
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Speaker 1: this chattering class, this sort of opinionistic class that focuses
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Speaker 1: more on what they read on the internet and in
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Speaker 1: books than what is in real life. Let me give
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Speaker 1: you an example. So I live and stud Frogoes, you know,
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Speaker 1: and we are consistently ranked as one of the most
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Speaker 1: dangerous countries in the world outside of a war zone.
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Speaker 1: We can go into why that is the case. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why, but I suspect that there is a
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Speaker 1: lot of foreign influence in our high crime to deliberately destabilize,
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Speaker 1: for example, our agricultural sector. I'm very convinced that it's
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Speaker 1: not organic. Rhino approaching, for example, is another is another one.
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Speaker 1: I think that there's a strong connect between sits, which
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Speaker 1: is a un off shoot, and foreign interests to destabilize
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Speaker 1: one of the hearts of our country, which is you know, wild, wild,
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Speaker 1: wild parks. Now, before I was married, two of my
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Speaker 1: ex girlfriends were raped, right, one was gang raped. Now
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Speaker 1: this this is reality. And one of these guys and
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Speaker 1: substat said to me, yes, but crime doesn't matter. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about technocracy and this is that disconnect that I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about. And it bothers me a little bit that
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Speaker 1: while there is an element of truth in the macro
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Speaker 1: discussions going on, there's no there's no understanding of the
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Speaker 1: real world. Does that make sense. I'm articulating it correctly.
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Speaker 1: That's happening at many, many levels, Germ, and I think
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Speaker 1: part of it is the way that people are reacting
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Speaker 1: to what.
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Speaker 4: Is you know, a very I don't put this there.
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Speaker 5: You know, we are facing a very challenging environment, whether
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Speaker 5: it's at the local level, the national level, of the
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Speaker 5: international level.
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Speaker 4: I mean you know that.
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Speaker 5: I think we've mentioned this word poly crisis before the
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Speaker 5: BBC this morning, As I was driving in. The reporter
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Speaker 5: was talking about about poly crises, so multiple poly crisises,
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Speaker 5: and and so we've got people reacting to that in
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Speaker 5: different ways. Some people are simply switching everything off and
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Speaker 5: hoping that it will go away, which goes won't. Others
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Speaker 5: are attacking themselves and to released people that may be
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Speaker 5: aligned and you may have been aligned in the past
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Speaker 5: with them, and that's partly the attack on us and yourself.
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Speaker 5: Others are focusing on, as you say, trying to ignore
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Speaker 5: some of the stuff that's happening at a local level. Basically,
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Speaker 5: everybody's looking for a way to just take some of
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Speaker 5: the pain away as far as I can see, and
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Speaker 5: to divert from from reality, as you say. And so
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Speaker 5: you know, I think our job is to not do
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Speaker 5: that and to try to remain focused on what we
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Speaker 5: need to do and just not get just not engaged
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Speaker 5: in because there's so much out there that needs to
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Speaker 5: be challenged.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 5: One of the other criticisms is, well, you're you're focusing
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Speaker 5: on international geopolitical things way too much. And my position
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Speaker 5: on this is perhaps, but you know, this is our
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Speaker 5: taxpayer money which is funding foreign operations and a very
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Speaker 5: big part of that is this drive to convert the
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Speaker 5: British economy. The same goes in the U countries, I
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Speaker 5: mean Germany in particular, convert our economies onto a war footing.
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Speaker 5: And one of the things that I'm really keen that
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Speaker 5: people consider is if you think about what happened during
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Speaker 5: the Covidocracy and the Coronavirus Act, which was emergency legislation
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Speaker 5: which came in in order to restrict what people did.
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Speaker 5: It was the legislative basis for everything had happened during
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Speaker 5: those two or three years. If we think that that
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Speaker 5: was bad, if we end up on a proper war footing,
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Speaker 5: the emergency legisl that comes in at that point is
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Speaker 5: going to be ten times worse, one hundred times worse.
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Speaker 5: So you know, what we're what we're doing is we're
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Speaker 5: trying to encourage people to focus on reality, and part
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Speaker 5: of that reality is what's going on internationally, but also
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Speaker 5: the impact that that has on our daily lives. You know,
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Speaker 5: we are heading into an environment here where this you know,
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Speaker 5: this country, the United States, EU countries have no money
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Speaker 5: and so they're increasingly moving into deficit spending to a
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Speaker 5: degree that wasn't seen during the first and second World wars,
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Speaker 5: and bearing in mind it took sixty seventy years to
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Speaker 5: pay the debt from the Second World War, you know,
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Speaker 5: we're orders of magnitude worse than that already. So these
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Speaker 5: are things we should be considering, and we need to
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Speaker 5: be we need to be trying to focus on what's
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Speaker 5: going to be important for successive generations.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I was at a friend's birthday on Saturday.
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Speaker 1: And this is a cultural thing because it depends on
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Speaker 1: where you are in the world. In South Africa, crime
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Speaker 1: is a major part of our life, and it's easy
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Speaker 1: to forget that when we talk about all the macro topics,
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Speaker 1: but it is still a very real daily occurrence. My
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Speaker 1: wife can't really drive around at night. It's just simply
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Speaker 1: too dangerous. It doesn't matter where you are in South Africa,
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Speaker 1: it's generally too dangerous to drive alone at night if
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Speaker 1: you're a woman. Particularly, And yet again, in conversation at
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Speaker 1: the gathering, crime came up, and the one guy was
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Speaker 1: talking about how you had to get home because his
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Speaker 1: wife was alone. And we all live in sort of
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Speaker 1: security states and that kind of thing, and something like
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Speaker 1: this gets dismissed very quickly. This is something that I
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Speaker 1: noticed literally on the first day that I arrived in
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Speaker 1: Shanghai last year. The very first thing that when I
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Speaker 1: was able to connect to Wi Fi and I looked
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Speaker 1: at by WhatsApp, and there was a bomb lost that
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Speaker 1: went off just down the road from where I live,
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Speaker 1: two kilometers away in a gang area. And I immediately
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Speaker 1: contacted my wife when I heard about that to see
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Speaker 1: she's okay. That was the very first thing. And I'm
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Speaker 1: halfway around the world and I'm worried about my wife
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Speaker 1: and my child. And that's something that a lot of
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Speaker 1: people forget. Vanessa understands that because she lives in a
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Speaker 1: war zone, but most of these opinionisters don't. They type
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Speaker 1: from their comfortable, their comfortable environments. I mean, I was
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Speaker 1: looking at some data this morning, and I'm not down
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Speaker 1: playing by the way a crime I know is everywhere,
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Speaker 1: but just take a look, just for context, right Japan,
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Speaker 1: And I would have said this if I'd gone to
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Speaker 1: Tokyo and the same thing happened, I would have said
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Speaker 1: the same thing. I would have spoken about Japan's low
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Speaker 1: level of crime. I mean, that's pretty widely known that
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Speaker 1: they have very very low levels of crime. But look
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Speaker 1: at this By comparison, Japan has approximately less than one
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Speaker 1: murder per day, China around seven. But we can maybe
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Speaker 1: assume that China's crime stats are somewhat manipulated by the government.
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Speaker 1: The UK approximately has approximately two murders per day. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if that's true. You guys can can can
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Speaker 1: maybe challenge that the US around forty five per day
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Speaker 1: and South Africa around seventy five per day. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that is phenomenally high in comparison.
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Speaker 5: Are those are those figures normalized for population size?
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Speaker 1: Yeah it's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's per one
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand.
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Speaker 2: No's that can't be right, or at least sorry, I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying. I'm not saying you're not reading it right.
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that because I look this up
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Speaker 2: the other day. Last year, there were four hundred and
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Speaker 2: sixty six homicides in the United Kingdom. So that's the
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Speaker 2: first of all, that's not to a day. That's certainly
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Speaker 2: not to a day per one hundred thousand. So something's
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Speaker 2: not quite right there.
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Speaker 1: Well, hold on, because to a day would mean almost
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Speaker 1: seven hundred I mean a year.
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Speaker 2: Well just over yeah exactly. But whereas the UK is
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Speaker 2: not actually even at five hundred.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I see you were just saying, okay.
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Speaker 3: That can't be right.
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Speaker 2: But in any case, I mean, the fact is that
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Speaker 2: the population of the UK is larger. What I can't
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Speaker 2: forget what's the South Africa population?
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Speaker 1: I think sixty million.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so UK a little bit over, and yet the
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Speaker 2: murder rate is approximately thirty seven and a half times
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Speaker 2: that of the UK. I mean that is I think
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Speaker 2: that's the statistic.
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Speaker 1: There isn't it something like that? Yes, yeah, yeah, correct,
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Speaker 1: and ninety times higher than that of Japan. Yeah yeah,
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Speaker 1: And that's a sad point.
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Speaker 4: Sorry. Is that a reflection German of the of relative poverty?
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Speaker 1: I don't This is a good question, Mike. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if poverty equals crime, because if that were the case,
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Speaker 1: our neighboring countries should have even higher crime. But they
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Speaker 1: are safer. Zimbabwe are safer than South Africa, Malawi is safer.
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Speaker 1: All our neighboring countries are safer. So I'm not entirely
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Speaker 1: convinced by the argument that poverty equals crime. I think
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Speaker 1: there are multiple factors and we can only specula because
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Speaker 1: we don't know. And then of course we have the
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Speaker 1: very unique crime or farm attacks, which I strongly suspect
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Speaker 1: as foreign fact. But the discussion is not about crime.
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Speaker 1: It's about the dismissal of reality so that a narrative
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Speaker 1: can be pushed. Does that make.
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Speaker 3: Sense, Well, I think it's yes.
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Speaker 2: I mean, but it's also which is the particular wolf
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Speaker 2: at your door? And for you, your situation is very different.
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Speaker 2: But I think what you're getting at is that the idea,
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Speaker 2: the macro idea of the implementation of a technology, sorry,
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Speaker 2: of a technique that is not actually standing outside your
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Speaker 2: front door and posing an imminent threat to you.
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Speaker 3: That's correct, Yeah, yeah, for now, So.
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Speaker 1: Because the whole world is not the same, that's the
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Speaker 1: point exactly.
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Speaker 2: And I think this is where I totally agree. This
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Speaker 2: is where people do get lost, and this is where
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Speaker 2: Mike is absolutely right to talk about the the poly crisis,
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Speaker 2: the poly crisis and the number that has been done
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Speaker 2: on people, because there are I think the way I
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Speaker 2: look at loads of different things going on. But what
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Speaker 2: we're left with is a radically different sense of perspective
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Speaker 2: depending on your circumstances. So I'm pretty sure I've talked
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Speaker 2: about this before, but in fact, no, sorry, no, this
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Speaker 2: was in conversation with Mike actually the last week in
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Speaker 2: the office and.
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Speaker 3: My feeling.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's often said our well, the situation has
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Speaker 2: got to get a lot worse before it gets better.
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Speaker 2: And I don't mean that in a sort of doom
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Speaker 2: mongering sense, but I mean that until you can look
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Speaker 2: and see that there aren't people considering that the most
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Speaker 2: important thing in their life. And this is I'm not
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Speaker 2: just having a pop up people who do do this,
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Speaker 2: but it's just as an example. If the most important
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Speaker 2: thing in your life right now is that you are
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Speaker 2: called they them and your hair is pace, then obviously
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Speaker 2: your perspective is very different from what you describe with
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Speaker 2: the very real threat of let's say, physical violence on
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Speaker 2: a daily basis. And it just gives a really good
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Speaker 2: indication as to the pressure that is not, in fact
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Speaker 2: yet felt by an enormous swathe of Western developed society,
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Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, but I would say
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Speaker 2: the Western European and British base. Now, there will be
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Speaker 2: people listening who think, well, I live in I live
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Speaker 2: in what might be described as a crime hot spot
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Speaker 2: in the UK. Yeah, okay, I'm not talking specifically to you, then,
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about in a general sense, we are still
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Speaker 2: way off people really waking up and seeing what it
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Speaker 2: is that should or could matter more in life. And
15:25
Speaker 2: therefore the people who do prioritize the looming technique as
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Speaker 2: the one big thing I think are missing a trick.
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Speaker 2: And the reason I think they're missing a trick is
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Speaker 2: because in actual fact, there are so many things that
15:40
Speaker 2: you could be doing that would head off that particular situation.
15:44
Speaker 2: So rather than speculating and considering what may happen or
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Speaker 2: what the intent might be, if you concentrate your efforts
15:54
Speaker 2: on stuff that will benefit you in the short term,
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Speaker 2: then there's absolutely no doubt it will benefit you in
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Speaker 2: the long term, effectively future proofs you against such a thing.
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Speaker 2: And I would say that is therefore where in that
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Speaker 2: example where your efforts might be best applied going to
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Speaker 2: the poly crisis thing. I think this is totally fascinating,
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Speaker 2: and I think this is there are lots of different
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Speaker 2: things going on with this, But I've said this on
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Speaker 2: many occasions. What was done in twenty twenty let's say
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Speaker 2: all the way through till I actually pretty much twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three was an absolutely brilliantly played psychological operation because
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Speaker 2: what it conformed to which again I think I've mentioned before,
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Speaker 2: is what is called I'm sure lots of other terms
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Speaker 2: of it, but Sallust's theorem, which is the idea that
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Speaker 2: people are most greatly unified when there is most obviously
16:41
Speaker 2: a single point of focus for a threat. And therefore
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, that was very obvious. Either you went
16:50
Speaker 2: along with what your government told you, which was that
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Speaker 2: the threat was the virus, and therefore, you know, to
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Speaker 2: be fair, look on both sides of the if we're
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Speaker 2: putting a fence there, people absolutely did coalesce and really
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Speaker 2: thought about what they could do to combat what they
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Speaker 2: were told was a threat to life. Okay, so that worked.
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Speaker 2: But on the other side, those that considered that actually
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Speaker 2: what the government was saying was the most.
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Speaker 3: Harmful possible thing.
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Speaker 2: There was also a huge amount of cohesive activity there
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Speaker 2: because it was very obvious that there was one focus
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Speaker 2: for where that threat was coming from. As that receded
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Speaker 2: and the poly crisis took over, people absolutely lost sight
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Speaker 2: of how to unify, how to concentrate on anything that
17:41
Speaker 2: was real, And I think what to replace that has
17:44
Speaker 2: been very different for different people, but in large part
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Speaker 2: it has been replaced by let's say, these sort of
17:54
Speaker 2: nebulous concepts that you can't quite pin down. And this
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Speaker 2: again is an absolutely you know this, this is an
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Speaker 2: extension of the psychological operation.
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Speaker 3: So they they were.
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Speaker 2: And when I say they, I mean I'm not saying
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Speaker 2: that there is even the requirement for a dedicated campaign
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Speaker 2: to make this happen. I think this happens naturally when
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Speaker 2: the when the threat recedes. It's exactly the same that
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Speaker 2: in so many situations where there has been a tight
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Speaker 2: knit group for a particular reason and then that reason
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Speaker 2: no longer exists, you know then what let me look
18:27
Speaker 2: at the labor Party for example. Anyway, I think this
18:31
Speaker 2: is exactly what's happened, and it has enabled people to
18:37
Speaker 2: look at things that frankly are a distraction from making
18:41
Speaker 2: those meaningful changes in their in their lives. And the
18:44
Speaker 2: other part of it, which I absolutely think is again
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Speaker 2: a psychological operation. And just to define terms, when I
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Speaker 2: say psychological operation, I'm not saying that you've got the
18:53
Speaker 2: thumb twiddlers in in GCHQ and M I five sitting
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Speaker 2: there thinking oh this is what wre directly to do next.
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Speaker 2: I think this is just what happens. And look at
19:02
Speaker 2: what the As the story always goes about the Black
19:05
Speaker 2: Panther movement, it was destroyed by the inference that there
19:10
Speaker 2: was stuff going on inside that organization, that was that
19:14
Speaker 2: they'd been infiltrated. And I think that is another element
19:17
Speaker 2: of what's going on now. Is this people wanting to
19:21
Speaker 2: look round and find an enemy within. Now that is
19:24
Speaker 2: incredibly destructive. And that is exactly why. Even if somebody
19:29
Speaker 2: does think that the technique is the problem, rather than
19:33
Speaker 2: the bomb going off down the streets, rather than the
19:35
Speaker 2: risk of being carjacked or raped or whatever, you know,
19:39
Speaker 2: the fact is that they are prepared to switch fire
19:42
Speaker 2: to you as a target and think that they must
19:45
Speaker 2: now have an argument with you or with somebody else
19:48
Speaker 2: that holds a different opinion.
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Speaker 4: Now.
19:49
Speaker 2: That so again a sort of an evolving psychological operation.
19:53
Speaker 2: But I do think all these things are very very
19:55
Speaker 2: closely related and they are an absolutely masterful action because
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Speaker 2: it is it is absolutely back to the same old
20:03
Speaker 2: principle of divide and rule. Yeah, so that's my sort
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Speaker 2: of well, I mean, these things work together.
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Speaker 1: The poly crisis is well, the poly crisis narrative is
20:14
Speaker 1: absolutely spot on. Digital ID is also being rolled out
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Speaker 1: in South Africa, but only in small pockets, because if
20:21
Speaker 1: you know the layout of the land, you'll know that
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Speaker 1: it cannot be country wide. It just simply cannot. When
20:26
Speaker 1: you have millions and millions and millions of people who
20:29
Speaker 1: are not even connected yet to any kind of grid,
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Speaker 1: it just simply cannot happen. And cash is still very
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Speaker 1: very strong. Because of that, we have a you know,
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Speaker 1: and I think it's a good thing. I think it's
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Speaker 1: a blessing in disguise for at least the short to
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Speaker 1: medium term. But I mean the point is is that
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Speaker 1: we have multiple battles that we're fighting. It's not a
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Speaker 1: one trick pony. It's not only digital ID hence the
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Speaker 1: term poly crisis. There are multiple battles. You know, if
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Speaker 1: you're from the UK, I don't think crime is first
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Speaker 1: and foremost on your list of things to worry about.
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Speaker 1: You probably have other things. It's probably there in the
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Speaker 1: top ten maybe for us culturally, so in South Africa,
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Speaker 1: crime is probably the number one thing. If you look
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Speaker 1: at the immigration stats and white people leave the country,
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Speaker 1: crime is almost always exclusively the reason. So if I
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Speaker 1: go to a country like China, doesn't matter if it's Japan,
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Speaker 1: even if it's the UK, and I feel a lot safer.
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Speaker 1: It's something that's as you said, it's the wolf at
21:37
Speaker 1: my doorstep. It's something I noticed immediately because it's it's
21:40
Speaker 1: kind of ingrained in who I am, where I live.
21:43
Speaker 1: I live on a farm, a country sort of country estate.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: Let me explain to you quickly about our security.
21:49
Speaker 4: We have.
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Speaker 1: An electric fence around the entire farm. We have then
21:55
Speaker 1: trees on the other side to make it harder to
21:58
Speaker 1: get to the electric fence if they're wanted to climb over.
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Speaker 1: We have infrared beams all over the property and during
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Speaker 1: the night, at every three hour interval, we have a
22:10
Speaker 1: security walking out of tortures, just checking in on everything.
22:13
Speaker 1: And that's on top of the dogs and the geese
22:15
Speaker 1: and all the sort of natural sort of deterrence. Now
22:19
Speaker 1: that's not really normal living, is it.
22:26
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it is for you. I think that's
22:29
Speaker 2: the point. But no, I mean, this is it again.
22:35
Speaker 2: I absolutely will not be at all dismissive of people
22:37
Speaker 2: whose concerns in the United Kingdom, parts of the United Kingdom,
22:41
Speaker 2: whose concerns are primarily crime. That absolutely are I mean,
22:43
Speaker 2: I cracky. I've worked in the police. I know within
22:49
Speaker 2: the area that I was policing. I absolutely know of
22:51
Speaker 2: places where it's an awful life for people. It is
22:54
Speaker 2: a constant revolving door of police sort of intervention, situations
23:00
Speaker 2: that never get any better. So that there really are
23:02
Speaker 2: places that absolutely are like that in Okay, the United Kingdom.
23:07
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure the situation will be broadly similar
23:10
Speaker 2: in much of Western Europe as well, and that absolutely
23:14
Speaker 2: must not be dismissed. And so therefore I would contend
23:19
Speaker 2: that exactly like you've articulated, that people who live in
23:22
Speaker 2: those areas, those sorts of situations will be much more
23:25
Speaker 2: pragmatic about the manifestations of the say, the technique, and
23:30
Speaker 2: therefore they will be thinking more about how they actually
23:33
Speaker 2: practically making a difference to their lives. Because this is
23:36
Speaker 2: the other one. You know, we talk about this an
23:38
Speaker 2: awful lot in my constant refrain. I know I am
23:41
Speaker 2: broken record, but I'm afraid I don't really make much
23:43
Speaker 2: apology for it. You know, if you're going to say, right, well,
23:45
Speaker 2: we're resisting this, we're resisting that. It's the sort of
23:49
Speaker 2: the corporate buase is going to do for us all
23:50
Speaker 2: and the you know, the public private partnership and all
23:55
Speaker 2: these things. And you say that, and you are in
24:00
Speaker 2: a sense sort of active on that front, and yet
24:04
Speaker 2: you are still going around the corner to buy your
24:09
Speaker 2: goods from a multinational corporation such as Tesco, which is
24:18
Speaker 2: basically symbolizes everything that's gone wrong in the balance between
24:23
Speaker 2: the individual and the state, the individual and the sort
24:28
Speaker 2: of corporate world and all the rest of it. Then
24:31
Speaker 2: my take on that is you're not quite getting it
24:33
Speaker 2: right because you are you are funding your own demise.
24:41
Speaker 2: But again, that is a difficult situation to work your
24:47
Speaker 2: way out of. All I'm saying is I think you
24:49
Speaker 2: have to be realistic about what it is you can
24:52
Speaker 2: achieve and how that will benefit you, and you know,
24:56
Speaker 2: so start with the things that you can change. I mean,
24:59
Speaker 2: I know this is sort of where we we come
25:00
Speaker 2: back to an awful lot, But the reason for that
25:03
Speaker 2: is that it is it is so important and there
25:05
Speaker 2: are and also there are The other thing is there
25:07
Speaker 2: are really hardening examples of people who have worked that
25:11
Speaker 2: out and you know, and have broken outside i would say,
25:16
Speaker 2: really critically broken outside of the sort of the closed
25:21
Speaker 2: loop that is the Internet or the social media platforms,
25:24
Speaker 2: and they have gone out and spoken to people and
25:28
Speaker 2: have made real world connections, because that is really where
25:31
Speaker 2: things get done, you know, talk to people face to
25:34
Speaker 2: face and just that moment that is so hard to
25:38
Speaker 2: achieve online of just discussing this, that and the other,
25:41
Speaker 2: and someone will say, oh, well, I mean, you know
25:43
Speaker 2: I can do that, or I know someone who sells that,
25:46
Speaker 2: or whatever it is. It's just and I know that
25:49
Speaker 2: this sounds absolutely ludicrous because after all twenty years ago,
25:51
Speaker 2: this is how everything worked, maybe a bit more, but
25:56
Speaker 2: we've so quickly forgotten how to do that, how to
25:59
Speaker 2: get things done, how to properly organize and resist.
26:04
Speaker 3: So I think it's.
26:06
Speaker 5: That's the key word, Charles, resist, right, and and and
26:09
Speaker 5: the thing that the thing that you know, people need
26:12
Speaker 5: to relearn, if or learn in the first place, is
26:16
Speaker 5: how to resist. And attacking each other is not resistance.
26:22
Speaker 5: Resistance is not buying stuff from the supermarket. It is
26:27
Speaker 5: We are creative beings and it seems to me that
26:31
Speaker 5: we have abandoned largely our creative our creativity, and we're
26:35
Speaker 5: just sort of waiting around for somebody else to solve
26:38
Speaker 5: all our problems for us.
26:39
Speaker 4: And the same the same goes.
26:40
Speaker 5: I mean understand what you're saying, Charles, about about the
26:44
Speaker 5: areas of high crime in in this country. But and
26:50
Speaker 5: you tell me if this is unfair. You know, this,
26:52
Speaker 5: this issue of high high criminality in certain parts of
26:56
Speaker 5: the country has been going on forever, and there are
27:00
Speaker 5: are community leaders in these areas, but but there doesn't
27:04
Speaker 5: seem to be a willingness in the in the community
27:08
Speaker 5: at large to get involved in solving the problem. And
27:12
Speaker 5: I mean even just you know, we're talking, you're talking
27:15
Speaker 5: there about face to face conversations. And of course one
27:18
Speaker 5: of the places that these used to happen was the
27:21
Speaker 5: local pub. And over the last forty years we've seen
27:23
Speaker 5: the systematic destruction and shut down of pubs in the UK.
27:29
Speaker 4: But and more and more.
27:31
Speaker 5: People are just staying at home and what sitting in
27:34
Speaker 5: front of the television. You know, even just getting out
27:37
Speaker 5: and going to the pub would be an act of
27:38
Speaker 5: resistance and going and talking to people and and so
27:44
Speaker 5: you know, we sort of got a hint that that
27:47
Speaker 5: people were in some to some degree remembering how to
27:51
Speaker 5: resist during COVID, but it's it's all been abandoned again.
27:55
Speaker 5: And I think that's that's the one thing that I
27:59
Speaker 5: would love to see people thinking about it is what
28:03
Speaker 5: does it mean to resist?
28:06
Speaker 1: And I just want to make it clear. I'm not
28:09
Speaker 1: trying to present some sort of Victim Moood Olympics here
28:12
Speaker 1: by pointing out our lime stats A right.
28:14
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to.
28:15
Speaker 1: Say, oh, I'm in a far worse position, because if I,
28:18
Speaker 1: if I really was, I would have emigrated and I
28:20
Speaker 1: would have gone to a safer country. This is my home,
28:23
Speaker 1: and I am accustomed to living in a certain way
28:26
Speaker 1: and we have to be street wise, and I have
28:30
Speaker 1: no intention of emigrating. I do love living here. But
28:35
Speaker 1: the point I'm making is that there is nuance in
28:37
Speaker 1: this complexity, and a lot of these chattering classes forget
28:41
Speaker 1: about it. I think it was I think it might
28:44
Speaker 1: have been Vanessa who said to me the other day
28:46
Speaker 1: she saw my chat with Provoya. And I'm not going
28:49
Speaker 1: to say anything bad about Rvoya, but she said that
28:52
Speaker 1: in the first five minutes he pulled out like ten
28:54
Speaker 1: books to make his case. And that's an interesting observation
28:59
Speaker 1: because you can get very caught up in academia and
29:04
Speaker 1: just completely forget about what's happening outside the front door
29:08
Speaker 1: where the wolf is. As you pointed, out Charles and
29:12
Speaker 1: in let's say your country, a bigger threat might be
29:16
Speaker 1: digital ID And someone said to me, yeah, but you
29:19
Speaker 1: know that is the slavery. Well, listen, I can tell
29:22
Speaker 1: you right now, when you've got a high crime rate,
29:23
Speaker 1: you are a slave in many ways because you cannot
29:27
Speaker 1: do things for fear of being hijacked or stabbed or
29:32
Speaker 1: shot or something. There is a sense of slavery in that.
29:35
Speaker 1: And to resist that, as you said, Charles, is one
29:39
Speaker 1: way to push back, and you've got to fight that.
29:43
Speaker 1: Slavery takes on many forms.
29:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I would totally agree with that,
29:55
Speaker 2: I really would. And also I think the other thing
29:58
Speaker 2: is that if one becomes drawn towards looking into more
30:10
Speaker 2: conceptual conceptual targets, let's say, for what it is that
30:18
Speaker 2: you consider is wrong, I mean the early example being
30:21
Speaker 2: the technique, then I don't see that this is the
30:25
Speaker 2: other issue. I don't see that as being exclusive from
30:31
Speaker 2: concentrating on the let's say, the smaller things. There's no
30:35
Speaker 2: reason that you can't I mean, okay, silly example, but
30:41
Speaker 2: that you can't grow your own food and still resist
30:45
Speaker 2: digital idea or life facial recognition or whatever it is.
30:49
Speaker 2: It doesn't. This is I think where I do not understand.
30:55
Speaker 3: I don't.
30:55
Speaker 2: I don't understand why people, because I think this is
30:57
Speaker 2: what you were meaning at the beginning. Why don't you Yeah,
31:01
Speaker 2: we just putting everything else to one side. And the
31:04
Speaker 2: way I would say is if you if you really
31:06
Speaker 2: apply thought to it, and you plan correctly, and after
31:08
Speaker 2: all that's what we have to do, then you should
31:11
Speaker 2: be able to make everything work.
31:12
Speaker 3: Everything should synchronize.
31:13
Speaker 2: And for the simple reason that I think if you're
31:15
Speaker 2: going to pursue a better life, then it has to
31:17
Speaker 2: be better in every respect.
31:18
Speaker 3: It's not what you know.
31:19
Speaker 2: Why would you just think, oh, well, you know, everything
31:21
Speaker 2: be right if I if as long as there isn't
31:25
Speaker 2: digital ID, So what do you saying? So if there's
31:29
Speaker 2: not digital ID, you're still happy to pay cash for
31:34
Speaker 2: ultra processed junk that's going to kill you? Or what
31:38
Speaker 2: I mean? That the whole thing? So I'm not I
31:41
Speaker 2: hope I'm not now contradicting myself. But the poly crisis
31:46
Speaker 2: as a psychological operation has absolutely meant that people have
31:51
Speaker 2: on the individual, have become discombobulated, but they have not
31:54
Speaker 2: known quite what it is that they should prioritize. And
31:59
Speaker 2: on the collective level, that has splintered organizations because there
32:04
Speaker 2: has not been any clear idea of where a campaign
32:08
Speaker 2: should necessarily go. But I would say, well, if you
32:13
Speaker 2: put together a coherent way in which you can live
32:17
Speaker 2: your life, then you are doing all these things anyway.
32:21
Speaker 2: And I think that's the bit that I don't really understand.
32:24
Speaker 2: It seems to me extraordinarily simplistic to be concentrating on
32:28
Speaker 2: something that, let's say, you know, even though there are
32:31
Speaker 2: practical examples of it in the world so far, but
32:34
Speaker 2: much of this is still conceptual. It hasn't happened. But
32:39
Speaker 2: if you're only going to concentrate on that and say, well,
32:42
Speaker 2: you know, crime down the road doesn't matter, or eating
32:46
Speaker 2: such and such a thing doesn't matter, or pollution or
32:49
Speaker 2: whatever it is doesn't matter, then to me that's a
32:54
Speaker 2: fail on loads of levels, but mostly because I don't
32:59
Speaker 2: see that. I don't see that it's impossible to live
33:03
Speaker 2: a life in such a way that that does wrap
33:06
Speaker 2: all these things together.
33:08
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's it's multiple battles being fought. This
33:10
Speaker 1: is the problem. It's this isn't a one trick pony
33:13
Speaker 1: battle or war that we're in. There are I mean,
33:16
Speaker 1: Mike said, it's a partly crisis. There are so many
33:20
Speaker 1: nodes that are that are being connected all over the place.
33:24
Speaker 1: And and for example, again I said earlier farm attacks.
33:28
Speaker 1: Now farm attacks will become more global. We know that
33:32
Speaker 1: the Netherlands, the farmers are increasingly under attack.
33:36
Speaker 3: Yeah you see.
33:38
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, but that's really I mean, bearing in mind,
33:42
Speaker 2: we are this is germ warfare, after all, let's be
33:45
Speaker 2: let's extend the terminology we're taught exactly right, you're talking
33:48
Speaker 2: about battles, but it but it is one war. It
33:51
Speaker 2: is these are all these are absolutely like you say,
33:53
Speaker 2: they're all connected, but they are. They are battles that
33:56
Speaker 2: are totally interconnected as part of one war.
33:59
Speaker 3: No, correct, you do not.
34:00
Speaker 2: You cannot possibly stand any chance of winning a war
34:04
Speaker 2: if you're only going to concentrate on the specifics of
34:06
Speaker 2: each battle and not not regard the the connectivity between
34:10
Speaker 2: them as as absolutely related to to whatever strategy you
34:14
Speaker 2: come up with. Now, that's so that that's it, that
34:16
Speaker 2: that that is really what I mean. Whereas the way
34:18
Speaker 2: that the poly crisis works is exactly what I'm driving
34:21
Speaker 2: at is that it gets it gets tossed out and
34:23
Speaker 2: it makes people forget that that that just because the
34:28
Speaker 2: the COVID thing or the vaccine thing has been removed
34:32
Speaker 2: as the war, that the war is still in existence.
34:36
Speaker 2: It just doesn't look like that anymore, and and therefore
34:40
Speaker 2: the battles are all part of that.
34:43
Speaker 5: Look, I want to make one point on that, the
34:46
Speaker 5: question is who's the war with And my war isn't
34:50
Speaker 5: with anybody that's criticizing me, or it's not with the government.
34:56
Speaker 5: It's my war is with me. Absolutely, my war is
34:59
Speaker 5: as lily with me and my choices in life and
35:02
Speaker 5: how my choices affect the wider world. There is no
35:06
Speaker 5: other war because if I make the wrong choices, I
35:10
Speaker 5: contribute to what government, deep state, whatever you want to
35:14
Speaker 5: call it, is doing. If I make the right choices,
35:17
Speaker 5: then I'm contributing to the resistance. On that, the war
35:20
Speaker 5: is with me, and it's every part of my life,
35:23
Speaker 5: and it's every day, every minute, every of every day.
35:26
Speaker 5: And so that that's I think that's a really important
35:32
Speaker 5: consideration because if we're always looking at the other person
35:35
Speaker 5: and we're always fighting the other person, then we're never
35:38
Speaker 5: addressing the reasons why any of this stuff happens in
35:41
Speaker 5: the first place.
35:42
Speaker 4: It starts.
35:43
Speaker 5: It starts with me, and it starts with you, and
35:45
Speaker 5: it starts with Charles, and it starts with everybody that's
35:47
Speaker 5: watching this program. And we've got to recognize who our
35:51
Speaker 5: enemy is. It's not something that's external to us.
35:54
Speaker 3: Someone very very well put.
35:56
Speaker 2: I think you've just condensed into sixty seconds what I've
35:59
Speaker 2: probably fumbled around when twenty minutes trying to articulate that
36:02
Speaker 2: is exactly the point, and that that what that also does,
36:06
Speaker 2: which is totally critical. There are so many benefits to
36:09
Speaker 2: considering it like that. But what that does is it
36:12
Speaker 2: it insulates you against exactly what has happened, which is
36:16
Speaker 2: that a great threat is developed and then whipped away.
36:20
Speaker 2: And if you've been concentrating on what's going on over
36:24
Speaker 2: there and suddenly the thing that's over there doesn't exist anymore,
36:28
Speaker 2: you are completely lost. And that that is how it's done.
36:30
Speaker 2: Whereas if you're if you are exactly like you say,
36:32
Speaker 2: you're concentrating on what you're doing, then it doesn't matter
36:36
Speaker 2: whether the thing stands or falls or changes color over there,
36:41
Speaker 2: because you have still improved your lot.
36:43
Speaker 3: And that's the bit that matters.
36:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was when I was at my friend's
36:47
Speaker 1: birthday on Saturday. My good friend Nick Katson was there
36:50
Speaker 1: and and he loves chatting about the stuff, and we
36:54
Speaker 1: spoke about exactly this, which is why I'm talking to
36:57
Speaker 1: you about it, and he again made the point that
37:02
Speaker 1: we live in a complex world. There's no dismissal of
37:06
Speaker 1: digital idea, and I'm not trying to reduce its severity,
37:11
Speaker 1: but there are multiple things going on, and we are
37:17
Speaker 1: fighting multiple battles. Lord of the Rings is a great example.
37:20
Speaker 1: There's an ultimate war in the story, but in order
37:25
Speaker 1: to get to that point, they fought multiple battles along
37:30
Speaker 1: the way, and they had to create alliances along the
37:32
Speaker 1: way with people that they normally wouldn't hang out with.
37:37
Speaker 1: The elves and the Dwarves would never get on under
37:40
Speaker 1: any normal circumstances, but in the story they had to
37:43
Speaker 1: come together for a particular battle, you know then, And well,
37:47
Speaker 1: I mean we all know the story, and I think
37:50
Speaker 1: that's a wonderful metaphor. It's a complex system and it's
37:55
Speaker 1: not a one trick pony. Different guests have different strengths
37:59
Speaker 1: and different things that they focus on on. On my show,
38:02
Speaker 1: I was criticized for having Stuart fish Pine on last
38:05
Speaker 1: week when you're talking about home births and the importance
38:08
Speaker 1: of of of understanding the over medicalization of of childbirth.
38:15
Speaker 1: Someone said, like, why does this matter? Like how can
38:18
Speaker 1: you actually, in your heart of hearts, ask me why
38:22
Speaker 1: that matters. The fundamental, the foundational vector in your life
38:32
Speaker 1: is your birth, and that affects in so many ways
38:35
Speaker 1: how the rest of your life is going to be.
38:37
Speaker 1: And it does matter how many injections the mother is
38:40
Speaker 1: getting and all sorts of things. These things absolutely matter
38:45
Speaker 1: on a very very very foundational level. And it baffles
38:51
Speaker 1: my mind that that that that can be distroyed.
38:56
Speaker 5: Let me just center up there, because otherwise I've got
38:58
Speaker 5: to forget this. Yes, but but I think this is
39:01
Speaker 5: really why does that matter? It matters because everything is
39:05
Speaker 5: being turned into a medical I mean, I was very
39:10
Speaker 5: very rarely happens, but for whatever reason, the television was
39:14
Speaker 5: turned on in my house a few days ago on
39:20
Speaker 5: a second because sometimes it's good. I think, sometimes it's
39:23
Speaker 5: good to see what Channel four News is doing. But anyway,
39:27
Speaker 5: in the ad break, one of the ads was, uh,
39:34
Speaker 5: I can't remember exactly the phraseology, but there's they're suggesting
39:37
Speaker 5: obesity is an illness, a medical problem, right, and suddenly
39:43
Speaker 5: everything is being turned into a medical problem. Obsi's not
39:47
Speaker 5: a lifestyle problem or a matter of choice about diet,
39:50
Speaker 5: or the fact that we're eating stuff which is described
39:54
Speaker 5: as food, which isn't. It's not a medical thing which
39:57
Speaker 5: requires medical intervention. So you can continue, you're doing the
40:01
Speaker 5: really bad things that you've been doing, and we'll give
40:03
Speaker 5: you an injection to sort that out, which of course doesn't.
40:08
Speaker 5: But you know, put that alongside the fact that the
40:11
Speaker 5: British government now puts follic acid into bread because some
40:16
Speaker 5: pregnant women need, they say, an extra dose of folic acid.
40:20
Speaker 5: So we've all got to be mass medicated. Look at
40:23
Speaker 5: the fluoride agenda in various parts of the world, mass medication. Again,
40:29
Speaker 5: everything is being we are being turned into the farm animal,
40:35
Speaker 5: as it were. So you know, that's I just thought
40:40
Speaker 5: that was a really fascinating development that we're now saying
40:43
Speaker 5: things which are the result of the choices that we
40:47
Speaker 5: make being turned into an illness for which they will
40:50
Speaker 5: then provide a pharmaceutical intervention, undoubtedly that they already are.
40:57
Speaker 1: And that's another one of the of the of the
41:00
Speaker 1: of the poly wars.
41:04
Speaker 5: With ourselves and because that. Yeah, because our health is
41:09
Speaker 5: a lifestyle choice. That's that's a choice we make largely.
41:13
Speaker 5: So yeah, sorry, sorry.
41:17
Speaker 2: For it's an extremely good point. It's a it's a
41:21
Speaker 2: very very important one.
41:22
Speaker 3: And again.
41:24
Speaker 2: Let's just say that's another good example. We could take
41:26
Speaker 2: that one thing and isolate it, but if we did,
41:29
Speaker 2: we'd be missing so many other things. Think of think
41:32
Speaker 2: of what it's related to. I mean, one of the
41:34
Speaker 2: Friday's UK column news program, there's a lot again quite
41:38
Speaker 2: rightly say about Panenteer. Well, Paneteer is absolutely wrapped up
41:42
Speaker 2: with what is described as health. It isn't health, it's
41:46
Speaker 2: it's data. And if you are healthy, then no one
41:50
Speaker 2: gets your data because you're not going down the route
41:53
Speaker 2: of being poked and prodded and being told you need
41:56
Speaker 2: this and you need that, and then you know you're
41:59
Speaker 2: perpetuating the cycle of data, debt and drugs. I mean,
42:04
Speaker 2: it's that is another thing that you step outside of.
42:08
Speaker 2: And this is why the battle with yourself exactly like
42:10
Speaker 2: you say, Mike or you know you're going to war
42:13
Speaker 2: with you whatever. You need to come up with a
42:15
Speaker 2: phrase for that, but that is that would be a
42:19
Speaker 2: prime example of it. You just you step outside of
42:22
Speaker 2: all that, and and the money, I mean, think of
42:26
Speaker 2: the money. It will vary by country, but in the
42:29
Speaker 2: United Kingdom again, the National Health Service is spending over
42:34
Speaker 2: half of or costing you over half a.
42:37
Speaker 3: Billion pounds every day.
42:40
Speaker 2: And to put that in perspective again, the farming budget,
42:43
Speaker 2: the total farming budget separate issue. I don't believe there
42:47
Speaker 2: should be one, but the total farming budget is would
42:51
Speaker 2: be eaten up by the National Health Service in the
42:53
Speaker 2: space of ten days. So there we go great illustration
42:59
Speaker 2: of of how to sort out your situation by just
43:05
Speaker 2: by concentrating on yourself.
43:07
Speaker 1: I don't really have a direction genuinely speaking in this
43:10
Speaker 1: particular banter. I was kind of just sharing my disappointment
43:17
Speaker 1: I suppose in the fact that we, perhaps even a
43:24
Speaker 1: UK column, were supposed to be focusing on one or
43:28
Speaker 1: two things. And that's that I can't in my heart
43:31
Speaker 1: of parts, I can't focus on one or two things
43:32
Speaker 1: because I know that there are multiple battles going on.
43:36
Speaker 1: My wife's pregnant, for example, and how my child comes
43:40
Speaker 1: into the world is very very important to me, and
43:44
Speaker 1: that and that goes beyond just the injection in his
43:47
Speaker 1: arm which he won't get or vitamin K, which most
43:51
Speaker 1: people don't know about it. You know, there's a whole
43:54
Speaker 1: there's a whole thing that happened. It's not about just
43:56
Speaker 1: getting the baby out. It's it's so much deeper than that.
44:01
Speaker 1: And that's for my child. That's where life begins, you know.
44:07
Speaker 1: And and and I as the father, want to make
44:11
Speaker 1: sure that he has the best life. I can't only
44:14
Speaker 1: focus on digital idea. I've also got to focus on health.
44:18
Speaker 1: And as you said, the choices that we make so
44:21
Speaker 1: so so discussing the over medicalization of childbirth for me
44:26
Speaker 1: is very very important, and I know it's important for
44:28
Speaker 1: many others.
44:30
Speaker 2: But but that's sorry, just to interrogect I mean, Craky,
44:33
Speaker 2: they're the same thing you you live on the African continent.
44:35
Speaker 3: I mean that is that's the model. The model for.
44:39
Speaker 2: Getting hold of the individual and all their data and
44:42
Speaker 2: everything is via health.
44:45
Speaker 3: That's how that's how it's done.
44:47
Speaker 2: Look at all the digital ID programs that are absolutely
44:49
Speaker 2: wrapped up with from birth, vaccination and pharmaceutical interventions.
44:54
Speaker 3: That's how it's done.
44:55
Speaker 2: It's it's sending supposedly do gooding metal call teams, you know,
45:01
Speaker 2: sort of independent medical teams out into rural or any
45:04
Speaker 2: any community telling them that there's something wrong with them,
45:08
Speaker 2: giving them a shot in the arm, and then they're
45:10
Speaker 2: they're on the system, and then hey, presto, your your
45:13
Speaker 2: digital identity is that is also that your your sort
45:17
Speaker 2: of passport to better health because you're in the system
45:21
Speaker 2: and then and it will protect you. So these things
45:23
Speaker 2: are absolutely directly related.
45:27
Speaker 1: As currently as making the news again, yeah, yeah, yeah,
45:31
Speaker 1: quite time quite because where do you where do you
45:34
Speaker 1: see that you see pharmaceutical interference every time that fail?
45:40
Speaker 3: Of course?
45:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I actually will you just take a note?
45:46
Speaker 2: I would I would hope that there will be somebody
45:49
Speaker 2: out there who can talk in a in a sort
45:53
Speaker 2: of balanced and objective sense about the way in which
45:57
Speaker 2: a bola is treated by the media and has been
46:01
Speaker 2: over the years, because it cannot have escaped people's notice
46:04
Speaker 2: that ibola only ever happens in the same places. Now,
46:09
Speaker 2: anyone who's even heard of terrain theory must be scratching
46:12
Speaker 2: their heads there thinking, well, you know, we've had outbreaks
46:15
Speaker 2: for decades or so we're told, how come it's never
46:20
Speaker 2: persisted in Japan or Siberia or Bolivia. Why is it
46:25
Speaker 2: always in the same region? Of central western Africa.
46:29
Speaker 1: What's the environment, so that in that sense, it's it's
46:32
Speaker 1: probably based on.
46:33
Speaker 2: No, oh no, it's not germ, is it. I mean,
46:36
Speaker 2: you know, come on, do you not listen to the BBC?
46:40
Speaker 2: So what I would like is somebody to just go
46:43
Speaker 2: into a bit more depth on that, because it's always
46:47
Speaker 2: it's the big one, isn't it every single time? If
46:49
Speaker 2: we really need to have a good sort of shake
46:52
Speaker 2: of the shoulders and come on, don't be dismissive of
46:54
Speaker 2: the the hantavirus sort of smiling rat. It really is
46:58
Speaker 2: out to get you. And just to remind you how
47:00
Speaker 2: bad these things can be. Oh, look, Ibola has gone
47:03
Speaker 2: and erupted again, and you know, Dustin Hoffman's there and
47:07
Speaker 2: he's got the suit on and and all this stuff.
47:10
Speaker 2: So I think it was him anyway, So if you,
47:12
Speaker 2: if you can find somebody Matt Dustin Hoffman an outbreak anyway, whatever.
47:17
Speaker 2: But maybe that wasn't the boiler I can't remember, but
47:21
Speaker 2: but I think that would make a great guess somebody
47:23
Speaker 2: who can deal specifically with Ebola, because it's is apart
47:28
Speaker 2: from the you know, supposedly the plague, Ebola is to
47:32
Speaker 2: the modern world the the jack in a box that
47:35
Speaker 2: comes out when we need to be reminded that that
47:38
Speaker 2: that we can all die within seconds.
47:42
Speaker 1: And yet it's not all that major of a crisis
47:46
Speaker 1: to it. I think I think two hundred people have
47:49
Speaker 1: died recently according to the latest outbreak quote unquote. But yet,
47:54
Speaker 1: go and have a look at where it's happening. I'm
47:58
Speaker 1: going to have a look at the the the sort
47:59
Speaker 1: of that's going on there.
48:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course that's what I mean.
48:04
Speaker 2: But but there's got to be somebody lurking there who
48:07
Speaker 2: will have who will have actually spent the time putting
48:10
Speaker 2: all this together, this can map it out and everything else.
48:12
Speaker 2: So if you can find somebody, or indeed, if anybody's
48:15
Speaker 2: listening and knows of somebody who has such a background,
48:18
Speaker 2: that would be great, because I think it is it
48:20
Speaker 2: is one of those I'm not going to describe it
48:23
Speaker 2: as a myth. I'm not saying nothing's happening, but whatever
48:26
Speaker 2: is happening is absolutely not what's being described.
48:30
Speaker 1: I mean, if it were an actual outbreak, then it
48:32
Speaker 1: should spread.
48:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is the thing, and yet somehow Yeah.
48:40
Speaker 1: But I mean again, it's part of the party crisis.
48:43
Speaker 1: It's the ongoing strait of this particular conversation, the party crisis.
48:47
Speaker 2: Yes, it is absolutely, yeah and masterful. You know, why
48:54
Speaker 2: why would it distract you if you're if you are
48:57
Speaker 2: sitting in Belgium, Why would you be distracted by an
49:03
Speaker 2: eyebreak of what is supposed to be a very serious
49:06
Speaker 2: illness in that parst of Africa?
49:09
Speaker 1: Well, remember we said previously, because there's always that.
49:12
Speaker 2: Choice given given the history. Sorry that was that was
49:14
Speaker 2: an accident.
49:15
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, there's always the threat, the threat of
49:19
Speaker 5: what happened in twenty twenty twenty twenty one is always
49:22
Speaker 5: hanging over our heads, and that that's all they have
49:25
Speaker 5: to do is to mention hantavirus or aurbula or some
49:29
Speaker 5: other minor issue bird flu, swine flu, whatever it happens
49:33
Speaker 5: to be, and and that immediately puts people stress levels
49:37
Speaker 5: up because of their because people are basically still suffering
49:42
Speaker 5: from PTSD as a result of what happened.
49:47
Speaker 1: I mean, what is the the solution yet?
49:50
Speaker 4: Right?
49:51
Speaker 1: So, I mean I do get sometimes disappointed, as I
49:54
Speaker 1: said earlier, by these attacks. Let's say, oh, you know,
49:58
Speaker 1: you create eating a fog by so many different topics
50:03
Speaker 1: or whatever, or you are you're saying nice You're saying
50:07
Speaker 1: nice things about China. How dare you? I mean, I'm
50:12
Speaker 1: trying to figure out if you just do you do
50:16
Speaker 1: you approach these things head on or do you ignore them?
50:24
Speaker 1: Or do you continue with them? I'm trying, I'm trying
50:28
Speaker 1: to figure out what the right strategy is here, Mike.
50:32
Speaker 5: Right, the right strategy is to continue. I mean our
50:36
Speaker 5: one of our bottles, as you will know, is that
50:38
Speaker 5: he is he who is silent is taken to agree.
50:41
Speaker 5: Of course, I'm that doesn't mean that I have to
50:46
Speaker 5: engage with every single criticism that comes along.
50:52
Speaker 4: My view is that that.
50:55
Speaker 5: I am not silent, but I'm going to stay focused
50:59
Speaker 5: on what I'm not going to be silent about if
51:01
Speaker 5: if that makes any sense. So you know, my view
51:06
Speaker 5: is that that there are only twenty four hours in
51:09
Speaker 5: a day, so we've got to pick our battles, and
51:11
Speaker 5: fighting amongst ourselves is not one of the battles that
51:13
Speaker 5: we should be engaged in. And so I will continue
51:20
Speaker 5: to speak out on the issues that I think are important.
51:23
Speaker 5: Charles will do the same on the issues that he
51:25
Speaker 5: thinks are important, as will everybody else that's that's involved
51:29
Speaker 5: with what we're doing, and but anything else is diversion,
51:32
Speaker 5: And why would we allow ourselves to be diverted by
51:35
Speaker 5: people that aren't contributing anything to the actual issues of
51:41
Speaker 5: the day. You know, somebody attacking me, they can attack
51:46
Speaker 5: me all they like.
51:48
Speaker 4: It's not.
51:50
Speaker 5: It's it's not something that I feel that I need
51:53
Speaker 5: to react to in any way because that's not contributing
51:59
Speaker 5: to the direction that I want to go in.
52:04
Speaker 4: I don't know if that any of that makes sense.
52:05
Speaker 1: No, it makes sense. Vanessa made a similar comment on
52:07
Speaker 1: Substeck I think just over the weekend where she said,
52:09
Speaker 1: it's disappointing to see people on the same side firing
52:14
Speaker 1: bullets at each other and and what they should be
52:19
Speaker 1: doing is perhaps focusing on their common enemy. Or if
52:26
Speaker 1: this is not possible, then you need to continue fighting
52:28
Speaker 1: and leave behind those people who are firing bullets at you.
52:33
Speaker 5: And that's that's exactly right with with the exception of
52:37
Speaker 5: the at each other, because because I refuse to fire
52:40
Speaker 5: bullets back, it's it's it just seems utterly self destructive
52:46
Speaker 5: for us to be engaging and internal. You know, what
52:49
Speaker 5: we may view as being internal battles because we view
52:53
Speaker 5: the people that are attacking us as being you know,
52:58
Speaker 5: generally part of the risks distance movement, the broader resistance movement.
53:03
Speaker 5: Why why I just don't get it. But so I'm
53:06
Speaker 5: not interested in that. I want to keep my focus
53:09
Speaker 5: on on the people that are pushing the policies, the agendas,
53:12
Speaker 5: the wars. That's where we should be keeping our focus.
53:18
Speaker 2: I totally agree that. I think that goes back to
53:21
Speaker 2: what we started out with at the beginning. It's, you know,
53:25
Speaker 2: you must not get distracted or deflected. And this is
53:29
Speaker 2: exactly a distraction and a deflection. And and I think
53:34
Speaker 2: any sort of you know, attack that, like I say,
53:38
Speaker 2: the sort of the turning inwards and attacking each other,
53:42
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm afraid. My feeling on that is that
53:46
Speaker 2: it says any such instance says much more about the
53:49
Speaker 2: person doing the attacking than it does about anyone else.
53:55
Speaker 2: And also that it shows a singular lack of ability
54:01
Speaker 2: to focus on the things that do matter and on
54:05
Speaker 2: resistance and on improving the self. I mean, essentially, all
54:09
Speaker 2: the things that we've been talking about during this discussion
54:12
Speaker 2: are quite clearly not being prioritized. If time is being
54:17
Speaker 2: spent on how to attack somebody who is ostensibly on
54:24
Speaker 2: the same side, and in actual fact, when I say
54:27
Speaker 2: on the same side, I mean that really should incorporate
54:29
Speaker 2: absolutely everybody, everybody except those who are with intent trying
54:35
Speaker 2: to foist a particular system onto all of us. And
54:39
Speaker 2: therefore it shouldn't matter what your view is on climate, gender, health,
54:44
Speaker 2: or any of the other nonsense. We are absolutely all
54:49
Speaker 2: categorized in the same way by those that are trying
54:52
Speaker 2: to implement these systems. And I think that's how we
54:54
Speaker 2: have to look at it. And if we don't, we
54:57
Speaker 2: are failing ourselves. We are absolutely falling into yet another
55:01
Speaker 2: gigantic pood trap. So that's the way, That's the way
55:06
Speaker 2: I would consider it. And and again yeah, I mean,
55:08
Speaker 2: as Mike says, you know, as part of the not
55:10
Speaker 2: being deflected, not being distracted to engage in any of
55:14
Speaker 2: that is well, first of all, I think it would
55:17
Speaker 2: be well below the level of dignity that is appropriate
55:23
Speaker 2: for life. That's one significant part. But but what what
55:30
Speaker 2: what is the possible outcome? What can be achieved from
55:34
Speaker 2: doing that that is positive? And if you're not able
55:37
Speaker 2: to make a positive contribution, and then I think really
55:40
Speaker 2: you need to be reconsidering quite seriously. But but again,
55:44
Speaker 2: as I say, I mean going back to I think
55:46
Speaker 2: what is a really important point. Maybe I didn't stress
55:48
Speaker 2: it enough earlier. I do think this is this is
55:51
Speaker 2: absolutely a psychological operation that that that this is happening
55:55
Speaker 2: at all, because the underlying message is is just is
56:03
Speaker 2: because you're looking at the world slightly differently from me,
56:06
Speaker 2: there is something suspicious about that. There is something going on.
56:09
Speaker 2: There is something wrong, and I am not to trust
56:12
Speaker 2: you as opposed to just thinking okay, that's a slightly
56:15
Speaker 2: different take on it. And this is the point is
56:18
Speaker 2: that it is this black panther suggestion of infiltration, as
56:22
Speaker 2: though somehow there are you know, there are sort of
56:25
Speaker 2: string pullers that are making such and such a thing happening,
56:29
Speaker 2: making them happen, rather than people just coming up with
56:31
Speaker 2: their own conclusions. So I think if people are thinking
56:35
Speaker 2: that that's happening without absolutely hard evidence, then that is
56:43
Speaker 2: an absolutely gigantic waste of time. And it's a and
56:46
Speaker 2: again it's another trap.
56:48
Speaker 1: And also I think another trap. I made this point
56:51
Speaker 1: a few days ago that I mean, there's no such
56:52
Speaker 1: thing as the truth movement. There isn't.
56:56
Speaker 4: It's it's just.
56:58
Speaker 1: Some sort of artificial binary, you know, that's been created
57:01
Speaker 1: to create some sort of some sort of tribalism. I
57:04
Speaker 1: don't think anybody even bull gates. I don't think anybody
57:08
Speaker 1: wakes up in the morning thinking I'm going to side
57:11
Speaker 1: with lies, you know. I think they believe that that
57:15
Speaker 1: they are not on the side of lies, even though
57:17
Speaker 1: I fully, fully disagree with with with their approach to
57:21
Speaker 1: just about everything. I don't think that that that anybody actively,
57:27
Speaker 1: you know, thinks that they're not looking for the truth
57:30
Speaker 1: out there, you know what I mean. I don't think
57:32
Speaker 1: there's a truth movement. I think they are just people
57:34
Speaker 1: wanting to figure things out, and they happen to align
57:37
Speaker 1: in some in some areas, and they happen to align
57:39
Speaker 1: in other areas. And I think those alignments are very
57:41
Speaker 1: very important if you want to win battles that you
57:44
Speaker 1: need to create allies.
57:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do.
57:47
Speaker 2: But I think it's a rather sad reflection that these
57:50
Speaker 2: are the terms within which we're we're speaking, or that
57:52
Speaker 2: we're framing it. And frankly, people should be in the
57:55
Speaker 2: state of mind that they want good outcomes for all,
57:59
Speaker 2: so you know, it's not it is not wholesome, kind
58:05
Speaker 2: and fulfilling to be thinking that you only want a
58:08
Speaker 2: certain sector of society to triumph, prevail or succeed. Yes, okay,
58:15
Speaker 2: we can all think of many, many people who supposedly
58:19
Speaker 2: had the world back to front during you know, I mean,
58:22
Speaker 2: most obviously during the COVID years, where people did want
58:25
Speaker 2: others to go out and get jabbed and this, that and
58:27
Speaker 2: the other. But I mean if we're not, if we're
58:29
Speaker 2: not a peoble to look at people just in general
58:33
Speaker 2: with kindness and positivity, or at least to assume good faith,
58:37
Speaker 2: then then we are sung.
58:40
Speaker 3: I think. So.
58:41
Speaker 2: I don't think any of this should be limited. Just
58:44
Speaker 2: because there are some who are prepared to actively resist
58:47
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you're I mean, okay, we talk about
58:49
Speaker 2: doing these things for yourself, Yes you are, but you
58:52
Speaker 2: are doing that in order that you reach a tipping
58:55
Speaker 2: point where the situation improves for everybody. So this is
58:57
Speaker 2: not a this is not a selfish pursuit. And if
59:00
Speaker 2: the focus is and has to be on the individual,
59:03
Speaker 2: I think that's just a very important thing to cling to.
59:08
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm looking at the time. It's been a pleasure
59:11
Speaker 1: chatting to both of you gents. I will catch up
59:14
Speaker 1: with you next week,