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Confronting the Digital Harassment Epidemic: The Amanda Solomon Story | Ep 251 · Voices for Voices®

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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: One thing as we continue this or, I guess, start this episode, this episode, but continue conversation that we've had, say, maybe the last six months, has really picked up.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So really, you know really fancy terminology, right?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: First Amendment freedom of speech.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Secondly, we have something that's called public concern.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Concern, and part of that is if there are incidents, topics that could really have society.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It has the opportunity to hurt other people and we talk about, you know, one in specific, I'm not.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We might get into the naming of that, but I am pretty sure that everybody kind of has an idea what that is.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But when we're having to worry about our safety as individuals, as families, as Americans, and from your you know if you're outside of the US, you know, to a sporting event, a concert, amusement park, and not have to constantly be looking over our back and try to take security measures, because individuals are coming after us, physically, mentally, and so that's where the public concern comes in.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we're talking about, as I mentioned in an earlier episode, you know, we have that single cheeseburger, that single patty.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's the First Amendment, free speech.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now we have the second, that's the second patty making that a double cheeseburger or double chicken sandwich.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And that is the concern for public safety.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then we have for making that the triple cheeseburger or triple hamburger.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know where I'm using this as analogies, where disability comes in and mental health has a disability, mental illness as a disability, depression, anxiety, being autistic, those things are considered disabilities, and so individuals that try to bully people, organizations.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So now we move on to something called the Take it Down Act, which is actually now the Take it Down law, and first off, I want to thank President Trump, President of the United States.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I want to thank First Lady Melania Trump for the support for the take it down.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now it's a law.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now it went from an act to a law that was signed in the Rose Garden at the White House just a mere few weeks ago.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I want to thank Senator Ted Cruz from the great state of Texas for being a champion, for listening.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Taking Ellison Berry, the individual one of the individuals, but one of the most vocal individuals and confident and brave individuals that shared their story of having a photo or two on Instagram turned into a nude photo by an AI program, by somebody at their school, and they didn't know.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Ella Sten didn't know until she showed up to school the next day and people were, you know, chit-chatting and she was wondering what's going on.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so, senator ted cruz, you were and are the champion of getting this uh legislation from nothing to the take it down act to now the Take it Down Law.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now it's a federal law.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so what does that mean?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It means big tech has to take down altered images, not just for Taylor Swift and people with money like you, scott, it's not just for you, it's for everybody, all United States citizens.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The big tech has to do that within 48 hours, take down those pictures.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It just has to happen.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's the law.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You might not like the law, but that's the law.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you, president Trump, for that, thank you, senator Cruz, thank you, amy Klobuchar, to bipartisan and also, not just the photos have to be taken down in that period of time, but individuals that are doing the dirty deed of changing these photos, uploading without permission, these photos uploading without permission, taking purely innocent pictures or what were perceived as private pictures, and so these individuals are able to now be prosecuted as well.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, ellis and Barry, we want to say again thank you for your brave and courageousness to step forward, to be on our show a couple of times, to be on a episode, actually next Wednesday, where the whole world is going to see our conversation with our little son and her mom that President Trump used to sign the Take it Down Act into the Take it Down Law.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Nothing but love and support from us to Elliston, to Senator Cruz, to Miss Anna, to her father, mr Mark, all the way again to the White House.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's a little bit of a long way to get to our guest, amanda Solomon again, part two and she has actually been a victim as well to something that could be actually considered against the take it down law.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, amanda, thank you for listening to that elongated intro.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How are you impacted?
• 12:44
  Amanda Solomon: Thank you First.
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  Amanda Solomon: Let me start off with saying, yes, thank you for everybody that participated in the Take it Down Act.
• 12:52
  Amanda Solomon: I never thought I would personally see something like this come into action.
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  Amanda Solomon: So everybody that was involved with that, I want to thank you.
• 13:01
  Amanda Solomon: So, how I have been impacted In the first episode, you got to hear how my son had been impacted by public safety and the Internet and how people have exploited him, and now this episode is going to be more of my turn and how I have been exploited.
• 13:28
  Amanda Solomon: And I will start off with when my son was exploited.
• 13:33
  Amanda Solomon: I was exploited as well.
• 13:34
  Amanda Solomon: The same video, which you know I had stated we are a normal, average family never was in paparazzi until I had met my now husband.
• 13:45
  Amanda Solomon: Nobody thinks of you don't have money to fight to have stuff taken down and you don't think that there's going to be images of you posted because you're you're a nobody.
• 14:04
  Amanda Solomon: But when it came to defending my husband, I was one.
• 14:13
  Amanda Solomon: I had used an AI image that took my face and it put it on a different body and they took the picture and ran it through and said oh look, she's on a porn website.
• 14:28
  Amanda Solomon: Which a little background.
• 14:33
  Amanda Solomon: My ex-husband was addicted to porn after having a stroke, and that's actually what broke our marriage.
• 14:40
  Amanda Solomon: Because porn became he became addicted, and he then started trying to accuse my son, which was six at the time, of being the reason behind it, and so I was not gonna allow him.
• 15:00
  Amanda Solomon: I was standing up for our son and that's when I decided that the marriage was off.
• 15:04
  Amanda Solomon: There was no working through that.
• 15:05
  Amanda Solomon: Um, your father should not be exposing you and making you the blame that you know, a six-year-old is looking up specific porn stars' names, not just porn itself, but there were specific names which a six-year-old cannot spell.
• 15:27
  Amanda Solomon: So, moving on then, when I defended my husband and his victim and they did a video on me stating that I'm a porn star, and the same time I was finding out that I had Pornhub charges on my account for almost $3,000.
• 15:52
  Amanda Solomon: It ended up being $2,958.
• 15:55
  Amanda Solomon: Exactly.
• 15:56
  Amanda Solomon: And this was all coming out the same week that this video was made.
• 16:04
  Amanda Solomon: And, like I had just said, you know, dealing with my ex-husband, I would never allow that, I would never even condone.
• 16:11
  Amanda Solomon: And so I have these charges.
• 16:16
  Amanda Solomon: So I call my bank and I'm finding out.
• 16:19
  Amanda Solomon: They said we're going to send you a code to your phone number and they said it.
• 16:26
  Amanda Solomon: The phone number ends in O, dot, dot dot.
• 16:31
  Amanda Solomon: And I said that's not my phone number and this is the only bank account I've ever had.
• 16:36
  Amanda Solomon: I've never changed my phone number.
• 16:39
  Amanda Solomon: I did a background search on the one person that has been harassing my husband and, sure enough, the last four digits match the same number that the bank just asked me was my phone number.
• 16:57
  Amanda Solomon: So that was proof that this man that has been harassing my husband is now harassing me, and all because I am married to him, all because I'm connected to him, all because I know him.
• 17:16
  Amanda Solomon: And that's it.
• 17:19
  Amanda Solomon: Um, I was also in the middle of my divorce.
• 17:23
  Amanda Solomon: My mother had contacted me telling me that this man, brian davis, deserves to have custody of my son.
• 17:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What.
• 17:35
  Amanda Solomon: Yeah, this man.
• 17:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You don't know, that kind of come out of the blue.
• 17:41
  Amanda Solomon: Yeah, and considering a little background, when my son was six weeks old, I was working for a daycare.
• 17:50
  Amanda Solomon: I was returning back to work and I was in a room full of 12 infants and my son was in my room with me and I had a toddler.
• 18:02
  Amanda Solomon: He was 18 months old.
• 18:04
  Amanda Solomon: Walk on my son while I'm changing diapers and nobody was there to help me.
• 18:08
  Amanda Solomon: Six weeks old, their body's still fragile.
• 18:12
  Amanda Solomon: I'm freaking out.
• 18:15
  Amanda Solomon: They told me I had nothing to freak out about and I told my husband at the time Ryan's biological father that I quit my job and I refused to ever put him in another harmful situation like that again, which then included that whole porn accusing.
• 18:34
  Amanda Solomon: So when my ex-husband did that, I said no, we're not doing this.
• 18:39
  Amanda Solomon: You know, I stuck my ground so I never put my kid in that harm's way again.
• 18:48
  Amanda Solomon: So when I'm getting charged for porn that isn't mine and I have a phone number on here that isn't mine and I'm finding out, it's all because I'm supporting my husband, who I'm witnessing autism.
• 19:04
  Amanda Solomon: I'm witnessing the trauma he's been through.
• 19:06
  Amanda Solomon: Obviously something has happened.
• 19:08
  Amanda Solomon: I'm watching the trauma.
• 19:12
  Amanda Solomon: I'm watching the trauma and for another adult, this man he's in his 70s and I'm told by my own mother that this man deserves custody of my kid, this man that has never met my son.
• 19:31
  Amanda Solomon: I never even heard of the man until I met my now husband.
• 19:37
  Amanda Solomon: There's something wrong here, major.
• 19:44
  Amanda Solomon: So you know, I start questioning my mother's sanity.
• 20:02
  Amanda Solomon: I'm questioning this man who just randomly wants custody of my kid.
• 20:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What does a 70 some year old man want to do with a six-year-old?
• 20:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it can't be anything good.
• 20:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And they have their own family.
• 20:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So also for our viewers and listeners, it's.
• 20:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not a situation that they don't have children of their own.
• 20:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yes they do.
• 20:18
  Amanda Solomon: They have their own children.
• 20:19
  Amanda Solomon: They're adult children, so they have grandchildren as well.
• 20:22
  Amanda Solomon: There is no reason to want my child, unless it's for predatory or predatory reasons.
• 20:30
  Amanda Solomon: So we have that to deal with.
• 20:36
  Amanda Solomon: Um, so it's not the fact that I had become this person's enemy.
• 20:42
  Amanda Solomon: This person seeked me out and this person had a vendetta because of my husband and used me and I became a victim and I had no business.
• 20:54
  Amanda Solomon: It doesn't matter if you were mad at my husband.
• 21:00
  Amanda Solomon: The thing is is people don't realize that, like you can have your own life in separate accounts.
• 21:07
  Amanda Solomon: My husband is not connected to anything of mine.
• 21:11
  Amanda Solomon: So to go into my own bank account and change my phone number to yours and want my child, that has nothing to do with my husband.
• 21:29
  Amanda Solomon: You are now attacking the wrong person and you're crossing into that legal lines like I don't care what kind of past you had with him before, but a child has their own safety.
• 21:46
  Amanda Solomon: I should have my own safety.
• 21:48
  Amanda Solomon: If you have a vendetta, that's fine and wonderful, but now you're.
• 21:53
  Amanda Solomon: You're going into victims here and innocent lives, and this is where innocent people are harmed, killed, beaten.
• 22:04
  Amanda Solomon: I mean this is where human trafficking takes a whole turn.
• 22:09
  Amanda Solomon: My kid would have never been in the view of this man, all because of just meeting my husband and it can happen to anybody.
• 22:22
  Amanda Solomon: Just like we stayed in the first episode, it can happen to you, it can happen to anybody.
• 22:29
  Amanda Solomon: And now, just because you associate with somebody, all of a sudden you become a victim, kind of fast forward.
• 22:40
  Amanda Solomon: I have another situation as well.
• 22:42
  Amanda Solomon: So I was in a relationship in high school with a guy I thought I was going to marry and everything was great and wonderful until I happened to notice some abuse red flag signs.
• 23:00
  Amanda Solomon: His name is Kevin Capity.
• 23:03
  Amanda Solomon: He got into an accident.
• 23:06
  Amanda Solomon: It was his senior year of high school I had graduated a year or two before and uh, he flipped his truck.
• 23:15
  Amanda Solomon: We didn't think he was gonna make it and uh, within a month or two, he ends up buying a whole brand new truck.
• 23:22
  Amanda Solomon: He thought that, uh, when I told him I was moving up and trying to get a full-time job, I was gonna go to school, get a, get my own first credit card to start getting credit so we can settle down, establish ourselves.
• 23:39
  Amanda Solomon: He said no, and I'm like why he wouldn't give me a reason.
• 23:45
  Amanda Solomon: I ended up getting my very first cell phone that had a contract.
• 23:50
  Amanda Solomon: He didn't like that either.
• 23:52
  Amanda Solomon: He didn't like the fact that I was moving up in the world.
• 23:57
  Amanda Solomon: It was weird, so I broke it off because I was seeing the abusive signs that he couldn't be better than me.
• 24:07
  Amanda Solomon: He had to have the truck, he had to have the better job, and then it got to the point where we were only seeing each other once a week, and that once a week determined he would rather hang out with the work people than spend our one-time week together.
• 24:25
  Amanda Solomon: So I ended it Fast forward.
• 24:33
  Amanda Solomon: He then, within the next year or two, he's hitting on my best friend, he's trying to get in contact with me, um, and while we're together, it was, you know, send me pictures.
• 24:49
  Amanda Solomon: Well, I was under the impression that to keep him, we had to send pictures, since we were only seeing each other once a week and barely you know.
• 25:02
  Amanda Solomon: So, okay, so I did.
• 25:05
  Amanda Solomon: I thought that's how I was supposed to keep him, and so this was again 17, 18, and fast forward to now, which has been 10, 12, 14 years later, I'm seeing these pictures that I sent when I was 17 on a website asking for me, and if they know of me as the slut asking for me and if they know of me as the slut, and not all of them were like nude either.
• 25:42
  Amanda Solomon: They were provocative, you know, sexy, but nothing too, you know.
• 25:51
  Amanda Solomon: But the fact of I found out that this website they were uploaded to, which was just October of last year, so it's not something that just happened or happened right after the breakup.
• 26:08
  Amanda Solomon: It's happening now, a whole century later, a whole century later, and so it's discriminating.
• 26:20
  Amanda Solomon: And I found out this website is for revenge porn for people that don't like you.
• 26:27
  Amanda Solomon: If they don't like you, they upload these images and they talk bad about you.
• 26:35
  Amanda Solomon: And I found out that my ex they upload these images and they talk bad about you.
• 26:41
  Amanda Solomon: And I found out that my ex was mad that I broke up with him, and every time I would date somebody, he would try to slide back into my DMs.
• 26:48
  Amanda Solomon: He'd ask about them.
• 26:50
  Amanda Solomon: I'd block him, he'd make a new account and keep harassing me.
• 26:54
  Amanda Solomon: It never got any better, um, especially then when I went through my divorce and met my now husband, david.
• 27:06
  Amanda Solomon: He would constantly harass me, mock me, um, but it's funny because he would have a girlfriend and when I would tell her, she'd get mad at me and I'm like well, I, I would figure that you would want to know that stuff like this is happening.
• 27:25
  Amanda Solomon: Um, but I find out I'm the bad guy.
• 27:27
  Amanda Solomon: He was all jealous because I was always with somebody and I wouldn't be with him, but yet he had a girlfriend.
• 27:34
  Amanda Solomon: So I'm finding out that this happens to anyone and everyone.
• 27:39
  Amanda Solomon: Um, they will take images of you they could be innocent and they make you out to look like you're something you're not.
• 27:50
  Amanda Solomon: And I have tried especially YouTube making this video about me with Brian Davis stating that I am a porn star and I work for porn.
• 28:04
  Amanda Solomon: And, gee, if I had that kind of money, I don't think I'd be living the life I'm living and also and also, you're getting contacted by random people too, because they took my phone number and posted it, and they claimed to say that David had used this phone number as a half number.
• 28:32
  Amanda Solomon: But in reality, that's the phone number that I've been running my business on and that's where all my editing and all my contacts come through.
• 28:42
  Amanda Solomon: And, of course, when my phone number got uploaded to the youtube, um, because they thought they were harassing david, I was having men calling my phone, breathing heavily, and they'd sit there and do nothing but breathe until either they would hang up or I would hang up.
• 29:03
  Amanda Solomon: And again, you know, you think you're harassing somebody, but you're not, and you're harassing an innocent victim.
• 29:13
  Amanda Solomon: Uh, let's also add the fact at the same time, because allegations and rumors were made that, uh, oh, because I'm a porn star, I'm a drug addict too, so we had to deal with drug searches, we had to deal with drug testing, all this stuff, because I had my son and you know, the minute that I would test positive, I would lose him.
• 29:42
  Amanda Solomon: Of course, it never happened, because I never touched drugs in my life, and neither has David, so I don't have to worry about that.
• 29:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But they still have to go through that and that's what victims deal with.
• 30:01
  Amanda Solomon: It's, it's disgusting and you never think it's gonna happen to you until it does.
• 30:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, you're very brave to be talking and sharing your story experiences, because it's hard and I hearkened to my mental health and that and going to therapy and at the beginning and even before that, I didn't want to do it.
• 30:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I thought.
• 30:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I could handle everything and I couldn't.
• 30:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then, once I actually once I came to it, I was finding that I was, at least even if it was like 1%, more freed up in my mind to look at things in a more positive way, in a more productive, not a harmful way, of the path that alcohol and occasional drug use and that we don't realize how much mental health impacts our physical well-being as well.
• 31:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And there's no, and what I've found, and I think you as well.
• 31:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And how?
• 31:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And there's no, and what I've found, and I think you as well.
• 31:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The uh number one.
• 31:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know.
• 31:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: People say, oh, we just power through it and get through it.
• 31:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's like not always that easy not always, uh, and then it's not always the symptom that a person would think of.
• 31:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The trauma can resurface.
• 32:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It could be a song, it could be a name, it could be a picture.
• 32:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It could trigger that additional trauma, trauma, even a date, anything.
• 32:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, a day reading an article, seeing a picture of somebody that's going through something similar, and it's like oh my gosh, and.
• 32:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then you're thinking, oh and, and then, like you said, with like a song, it's like oh my gosh, and.
• 32:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then you're thinking oh and and then, like you said, with like a song, it's like, oh well, this was, you know, these these things would start connecting and and and so you're brave to be able to, you'll talk about the these things, because, I mean, it's there, you know, when we talk about these types of things, I mean they're sensitive, they're, they're personal I'm always one to keep stuff to myself.
• 33:01
  Amanda Solomon: I'm not one to I'm.
• 33:03
  Amanda Solomon: I'm an internal person.
• 33:04
  Amanda Solomon: That's what I think.
• 33:05
  Amanda Solomon: David and I work so well david is a more social bird.
• 33:08
  Amanda Solomon: I'm not.
• 33:09
  Amanda Solomon: I'm the.
• 33:10
  Amanda Solomon: I'm the type that you'll you'll be sitting at breakfast and I'm like don't talk.
• 33:14
  Amanda Solomon: Don't talk to the person next to you.
• 33:16
  Amanda Solomon: You know, mind your business.
• 33:17
  Amanda Solomon: They're enjoying themselves.
• 33:21
  Amanda Solomon: Like, just mind your business.
• 33:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Mind your business.
• 33:25
  Amanda Solomon: But then I watch him interact with people and he'll be like I made a friend and I'm just like, how he's like, but you got to actually talk to people and I'm like, nope, how he's like, but you've got to actually talk to people and I'm like, nope, nope, I'll stay in my bubble.
• 33:39
  Amanda Solomon: But because I'm safe that way and I'm learning through these years of trauma, through this ex Kevin, he, like I, stated he keeps making accounts.
• 33:55
  Amanda Solomon: He, like I stated he keeps making accounts.
• 33:57
  Amanda Solomon: Actually, around the time that this whole porn stuff started, I had Go Figure A-Name asking me about my Boudar photo shoot that I did.
• 34:09
  Amanda Solomon: I did one for my ex-husband years ago and this one person seemed to know that I did it my ex Kevin Capity, and it's ironic that a Byron Mavis, just like the name, brian Davis how ironic messages me about getting access to these pictures and harassing me, and I started thinking about it and I'm like you know what, the more I live in the shadows, the more I get to deal with this, and if I actually come out and talk about it, there are other people dealing with this too yeah, and, and that's, that's what I've found too, and it's uh, it's, it's incredible.
• 35:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know I could, somebody could be, you know, thinking about ending their life and they hear or see somebody share and go oh, I thought I was the only one going through this.
• 35:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or I know somebody and maybe I can just share this episode or this particular segment, or this minute or two that talks about it and says you're not alone.
• 35:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then one of my, one of our previous videos we put out.
• 35:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was watching an Imagine Dragons concert and Dan Reynolds, the lead singer, just stopped the concert, you know, midway and he talked about his mental health, how important therapy is for him and has been, and uh, and these people are big people.
• 35:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You would think they don't need mental health.
• 36:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, yeah, you think, yeah, they got the money, the cards or whatever.
• 36:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They got all these things and and that's why I I wanted to do the video to say, you know, thanks for you know doing this, because if somebody's at a concert of their out of the hundred thousand or thirty thousand, they're gonna be an individual that's going through something and thinking about you know these absolutely these thoughts and and just the mere fact that like, oh my gosh, no, like, yeah, life, life is worth living, and the more I you know, the more I share, the more, whatever the you know, we start to feel just a little bit better.
• 36:47
  Amanda Solomon: And I think, what if?
• 36:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We got like 20 seconds left.
• 36:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm sorry.
• 36:53
  Amanda Solomon: No, it was good.
• 36:54
  Amanda Solomon: It's just people are scared to share their stuff and I mean, I was scared to speak out before, but living with a husband that has been traumatized for years over his own thoughts and feelings, and I can't stand to sit here and stay quiet anymore.
• 37:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, and so thank you for that.
• 37:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you for the part one and this part, uh.