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  Speaker 1: Code Read The Left, the Right, China and the Race
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  Speaker 1: to Control Ai by my guest today, Went and Haul.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the fifty five KRSE Morning Show. It is
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  Speaker 1: a distinct pleasure to have you on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh great to be with you, Brian. Thank you so
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  Speaker 2: much for having me well.
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  Speaker 1: And cutting to the Chase. Now we obviously we're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the ins and outs of the ys
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  Speaker 1: and where of artificial intelligence generally speaking, but something I
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  Speaker 1: have been commenting on and you sum it up quite
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  Speaker 1: nicely in your notes here. Whether we are ready or not,
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  Speaker 1: you do not get to opt out of the AI revolution.
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  Speaker 1: That decision has already been made for you. Which speaking
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  Speaker 1: to people in my last segment about people in Ohio
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  Speaker 1: that maybe don't want artificial intelligence data centers around them.
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  Speaker 1: This wave is coming and there's not a damn thing
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  Speaker 1: we can do to stop it. So we either join
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  Speaker 1: in the bandwagon and reap whatever potential benefit, if any,
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  Speaker 1: you get from it, or you let somebody else do it,
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  Speaker 1: like the Chinese Communist Party. Winton, Is there anything good
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  Speaker 1: to come from AI? Or is it all gloom and doom?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's a great question, Brian. You're exactly right. Ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine percent of us use AI, but sixty four percent
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  Speaker 2: of people don't often realize when they're using a GI
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  Speaker 2: and it's because it's baked into the algorithms that power
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  Speaker 2: everything in our lives, right from our weather apps to
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  Speaker 2: our streaming services to GPS and so one of the
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  Speaker 2: things that I wanted to try to convey is the
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  Speaker 2: urgency of understanding what the negatives are what I call
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  Speaker 2: the landmines, but also that there will be roses as well.
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  Speaker 2: So roses and land mines is the way I frame it.
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  Speaker 2: In code, read and really walking through how it is
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  Speaker 2: reshaping every single part of the policy world that we
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  Speaker 2: have in the conservative movement have navigated through four decades,
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  Speaker 2: whether you're talking about indoctrination versus education of our children,
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  Speaker 2: whether you're talking about creating or erasing jobs, or as
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  Speaker 2: we're seeing right now in Iran and previously in Venezuela
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  Speaker 2: with the Maduro rate, the battlefield implications of AI warfare.
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  Speaker 2: And so we've got to get coached up so that
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  Speaker 2: we can seize the roses but also mitigate those land mines.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I try to do. You're exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: The attitudes about AI though in America extremely negative, twenty
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  Speaker 2: six percent positive, US forty six percent negative, and the
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  Speaker 2: rest trying to figure it out, and so want to
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  Speaker 2: try to be able to get people caught up to speed.
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  Speaker 1: Well, wait, and you talk about it in terms of
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  Speaker 1: roses and landmines. I, of course not being a tech
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  Speaker 1: savvy kind of guy. I don't know what's behind the
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  Speaker 1: programming and all this, although we do unders Dana has
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  Speaker 1: a very nefarious component to it, or can what motivated
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  Speaker 1: this huge accelerated push toward adopting and expanding AI. Was
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  Speaker 1: it the positive societal benefits or was it for this
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  Speaker 1: nefarious behind the scene purpose, like in doctrinating our children
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  Speaker 1: into what seems to predominate within AI, which is left
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  Speaker 1: winging ideology.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, left wing leaning ideology is absolutely baked in,
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  Speaker 2: and it is baked into large language models LMS through
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  Speaker 2: AI chapbops. There are here are the roses economic boon. Currently,
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  Speaker 2: we know that one third of the S and P
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  Speaker 2: five hundred is constituted around the mag seven otherwise known
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  Speaker 2: as the Magnificent Seven, are seven largest tech companies. So
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  Speaker 2: it is a tent pole economically. And we do know
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  Speaker 2: though that what happened with China when China released Deep
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  Speaker 2: Seak It's AI model R one, it rocked America's in
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  Speaker 2: Vidia six hundred billion dollars, the first the biggest largest
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  Speaker 2: market cap wipeout one day in history. So you've got
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  Speaker 2: to tuggle war economically. But the real reason though that
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  Speaker 2: you're seeing particularly President Trump and the administration lean in
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  Speaker 2: so strongly on AI is this and it's China. And
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  Speaker 2: the reason why I say in code right, we have
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  Speaker 2: to beat China without becoming China. Nobody wants to live
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  Speaker 2: in a techno authoritarian surveillance state, right, I mean that
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  Speaker 2: we do. Yeah, we do not want to emulate, as
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  Speaker 2: you know Brian the CCP. Here's though, what we do want.
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  Speaker 2: We want to protect our soldier, sailors, airmen, marines, and
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  Speaker 2: our special forces. And here's why this really does matter.
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  Speaker 2: Whoever achieves dominance in the AI race is going to
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  Speaker 2: have full spectrum dominance on the battlefield and things like encryption, cybersecurity,
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  Speaker 2: hacking of missile systems, and hacking of infrastructure. And you
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  Speaker 2: saw just in the last couple of weeks anthropics wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: even release mythos It's code hacking software because of the
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  Speaker 2: national security implications. So it is real that we you
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  Speaker 2: have to beat China. But what I wanted to get
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  Speaker 2: people to understand, though, is even if you think it's
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  Speaker 2: all hype, even if you have still not come to
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  Speaker 2: the belief that AI is reshaping everything, understand the left
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  Speaker 2: plans to politically weaponize AI as it relates to control
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  Speaker 2: in scan and band technology, for censorship, in indoctrination of
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  Speaker 2: woke curriculum in our schools, in being able to shape
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  Speaker 2: and mold the electoral attitudes of people when they're doing
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  Speaker 2: an AI search, and increasingly economically. One of the biggest things, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: is that many of Silicon Valley, who are the architects
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  Speaker 2: of AI, want universal basic income. What is UBI Universal
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  Speaker 2: basic income socialism? Right, That's what they is. So they
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  Speaker 2: view it as an economic reset opportunity. And so in
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  Speaker 2: code read, I literally have eighty pages over eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: in notes. This was a two year deep hive investigation.
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  Speaker 2: So I wanted to try to shave everybody's learning curve
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  Speaker 2: off this because it's a five dimensional chess game. Left
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  Speaker 2: is going to play and is with big tech on
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  Speaker 2: how they can weaponize it politically.
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  Speaker 1: So and the point being, elites are planning on weaponizing
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  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence job losses to push dependency, and I saw
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  Speaker 1: that and I understand how that cause people are most
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  Speaker 1: assuredly people are going to lose jobs because of AI,
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  Speaker 1: I mean white collar jobs most notably I practice law
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  Speaker 1: for sixteen years, and AI can make it so easy
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  Speaker 1: to at least do an initial draft, not that you
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  Speaker 1: would ever rely on something generated by AI and server
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  Speaker 1: to the court. You're going to get in trouble, but
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  Speaker 1: it cuts out so much time, so fewer lawyers are
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  Speaker 1: going to be needed. That's one area that will be impacted,
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  Speaker 1: just one unfamiliar with. But the one thing that it
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  Speaker 1: seems to bring with it the eradication or elimination of
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  Speaker 1: this nonsensical green energy nonsense. You can't power these centers
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  Speaker 1: without a massive amount of power, which ultimately is going
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  Speaker 1: to serve to benefit us. The advancement of small modular reactors,
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  Speaker 1: the reawakening to the world that nuclear power generates gazillions
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  Speaker 1: of amounts of power without any carbon dioxide to the
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  Speaker 1: sent You care about that, so that might be a
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  Speaker 1: corollary benefit. But this dependency thing, I worry about that.
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  Speaker 1: As you talked about universal basic income, they're already dumbing
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  Speaker 1: down our children just via the education system generally. And
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  Speaker 1: if kids are gonna start relying on AI, they're only
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  Speaker 1: going to get a one sided political view of the world,
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  Speaker 1: and that's going to support their idea of being a
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  Speaker 1: dependent on somebody else's labor.
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  Speaker 2: No, you just hit three, really important vital points that
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  Speaker 2: everybody has to really marinate their mind on. Number one
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  Speaker 2: is the energy explosion. You're right, one of the ironies
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  Speaker 2: here here Now the people who for decades preached to
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  Speaker 2: us that global warming is this, you know, horrible thing
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  Speaker 2: in Silicon Valley, big tech elites were the ones leading
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  Speaker 2: that charge. Now all of a sudden they're realizing, wait
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  Speaker 2: a minute, we need energy dominance. So it's a kind
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  Speaker 2: of a funny irony there. Number two is on the
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  Speaker 2: dependency in incode and I talk about the largest universal
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  Speaker 2: basic income study ever mailbox money a check for with
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  Speaker 2: no strings attached was done in twenty sixteen. It was
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  Speaker 2: it lasted several years. It was a sixty million dollars study.
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  Speaker 2: Who did that study and who funded it? Sam Altman
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  Speaker 2: at open AI. Now, Brian, why in twenty sixteen is
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  Speaker 2: Sam Altman doing the biggest most comprehensive longitudinal study And
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  Speaker 2: when was a chat SPT released by open AI and
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  Speaker 2: Sam Waldman. It wasn't until November of twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: six years ahead. He is doing the biggest, most robust
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  Speaker 2: studies in how to redistribute money toward well toward global
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  Speaker 2: towards socialism. So people have to understand this is a
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  Speaker 2: very very very fast moving political game that that left
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  Speaker 2: elites are playing. They understand this is the power grab
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  Speaker 2: of the century. Whoever gets this control and who gets
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  Speaker 2: their first is going to dominate. The thing you brought
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  Speaker 2: up about critical thinking is essential. The studies are very clear.
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  Speaker 2: It's called they call it cognitive offloading, which is just
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  Speaker 2: a fancy way of saying a student, a child, whenever
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  Speaker 2: they're using AI as a mental crutch, is going to
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  Speaker 2: have an erosion of critical thinking. Yeah, and we know,
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  Speaker 2: but all of us that came up, we know you
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  Speaker 2: have to struggle with that algebra question. You have to
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  Speaker 2: work hard and figure out wait a minute, I don't
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  Speaker 2: understand this part of the calculus question. You have to
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  Speaker 2: have that struggle. When you just get the answer spit
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  Speaker 2: out instantly, you start to lose that critical thinking layer.
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  Speaker 2: And so we have to understand, Yes, there are going
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  Speaker 2: to be benefits of AI tutors if they're pedagogically sound guardrail,
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  Speaker 2: they use a socratic method, they don't just spit out
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  Speaker 2: the answers. But there are so many, so many landmines
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  Speaker 2: that come with those roses.
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  Speaker 1: What in Hall author code read left right, China and
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  Speaker 1: the race to control AI. Your math illustration, I think
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  Speaker 1: is a sound one, but at least it's concrete two
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  Speaker 1: and two is always four when you add them together.
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  Speaker 1: There's no argument. There's no political bias built into a
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  Speaker 1: mathematical equation. There is with everything else. So you know
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  Speaker 1: this critical thinking component. You're just told, well three, distribution
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  Speaker 1: is a good thing. It's right, it's moral, and you
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  Speaker 1: don't break it down from an economic standpoint, like, for example,
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  Speaker 1: let me ask you this one haul. When everybody's on
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  Speaker 1: a universal basic income and receiving a paycheck from the
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  Speaker 1: government without doing anything, without adding to the tax base,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell happens when everybody's on the public doal?
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that system collapse? Whining because nobody's funding the payments anymore?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how this ends up working in the
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  Speaker 1: final analysis.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's even worse than that, Brian, You're absolutely right,
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  Speaker 2: it's even worse than that. First of all, the last
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  Speaker 2: literally just a handful of days ago, Elon Musk, richest
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  Speaker 2: man on the planet, said we're going to have quote
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  Speaker 2: universal high income u HI, and he doesn't really explain
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  Speaker 2: how that's supposed to work or how the checks exactly work.
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  Speaker 2: But it's way deeper than that. Okay, it's far deeper
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  Speaker 2: than that. We know that when you remove the Protestant
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  Speaker 2: work ethic that has powered the people's ability to get
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  Speaker 2: up and work and have structure and meaning and and
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  Speaker 2: purpose and identity in their lives, and we just say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to all sit around and live this leisure
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  Speaker 2: lifestyle and wait for the government to have our money.
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  Speaker 2: Number one, What what control will will come with that?
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  Speaker 2: What DEI requirement social credit score must I meet to
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  Speaker 2: get my my government checked from from dear leader who's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to drop me my money? If I if I,
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  Speaker 2: if I talk about you know, my faith or or
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  Speaker 2: or or or challenge a social edict that the left
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  Speaker 2: doesn't like, and there's a left leaning president, does that
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  Speaker 2: mean I'm not able to get my you know, my
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  Speaker 2: ration from the government monthly for for my you know,
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  Speaker 2: social credit because violation. The other thing, too, though, is
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  Speaker 2: that there's a what I call in Codrad the last
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  Speaker 2: chapter is on God, faith, reason, and what I call
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  Speaker 2: the coming crisis of meaning. If what's one of the
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  Speaker 2: first things that happens when we go to a party
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  Speaker 2: with our family or friends, we say, oh, what do
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  Speaker 2: you do for a living? Especially for young men, The
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  Speaker 2: studies are very clear. When a man doesn't have the
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  Speaker 2: ability to get have that structure, have that drive, get
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  Speaker 2: to be able to provide for their friends or family themselves,
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  Speaker 2: all manner of social pathologies increase. Addiction rates go through
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  Speaker 2: the roof. Self farm rates go through the roof. Crime
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  Speaker 2: rates go through the roof. With you are going to
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  Speaker 2: have people and say there's no reason to study hard
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  Speaker 2: because the AI is smarter. There's no reason to work
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  Speaker 2: hard because the AI is going to do the work.
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  Speaker 2: And there's no reason to actually have to provide for
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  Speaker 2: yourself or your family because you're going to get your
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  Speaker 2: mailbox money from the government. We are going to have
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  Speaker 2: a spiral of crisis of meaning unlike anything we've seen.
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  Speaker 2: So this is real. It is coming. And I was
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  Speaker 2: deeply concerned that the conservative movement is behind on this,
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  Speaker 2: not because we're not smart, because we're not in these
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  Speaker 2: rooms Silicon Valley, eighty five percent of all donations flow
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  Speaker 2: to Democrats. Okay, so we're not part of that conversation.
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  Speaker 2: And I wanted to get us caught up and realize
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  Speaker 2: how fast this is moving and what the game is
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  Speaker 2: going to be and how it is played.
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  Speaker 1: Well, remember, part of the cake that's been includes the
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  Speaker 1: idea that the work ethic in and of itself is
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  Speaker 1: a racist concept winting. That's right, evil white supremacist concept
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  Speaker 1: of actual working in return for the reward of problem
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  Speaker 1: contributing to society. Well, and finally, the propaganda element. One
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  Speaker 1: of my prior segment talking with tom'sa Austowski from We
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  Speaker 1: the People Convention mentioned that the Chinese Communist Party is
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  Speaker 1: behind this anti AI propaganda effort, which I suppose supports
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  Speaker 1: your argument about how important this is in terms of warfare.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that is yes, that's exactly right. They do not
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  Speaker 2: want us to win because they understand the stakes. And
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  Speaker 2: so if you get there first and you have military dominance,
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  Speaker 2: that also means you're going to have economic dominance, and
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  Speaker 2: so they need to be able to chip away. This
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  Speaker 2: is what's so tricky. Two things hit me true at
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  Speaker 2: the same time. And Austin, are you know, A, there
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  Speaker 2: are all these dangers, these landmines, and b there are
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  Speaker 2: these essential roses, and this is why they a whole
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  Speaker 2: new policy matrix. And so that's why in the book,
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  Speaker 2: every chapter is on the ones on education next week.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't even gotten to talking about human relationships and
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  Speaker 2: AI girls. Oh I know, and chaplot right SI, but
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  Speaker 2: all of those things. So we have to be able
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  Speaker 2: to understand how to really shepherd our children and our
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  Speaker 2: grandkids through this very, very new world that we're all entering.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of critical thinking, someone could be so taken with
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  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence and their AI girlfriend that they actually perceive
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  Speaker 1: they're talking with and interacting with a real human being
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  Speaker 1: and not a blanket set of ones and zeros when
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  Speaker 1: and it's frustrating. I appreciate you so much for bringing
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