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The Fall and the Unbeliever’s Mind · Reformed Thinking

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Welcome along to Reformed Thinking.
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This is the deep dive where we sift through stacks of research
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articles and notes to bring you the core insights.
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That's what we do. Today we're really getting into
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some deep water, looking at a fascinating set of ideas about
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the human mind, how we know things, and, well, our grasp on
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truth itself, especially truth about God.
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We'll be digging into the condition of the human heart,
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the mind, exploring concepts like epistemic humility and a
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particular way of thinking about belief and unbelief, the
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presuppositional approach. Yeah, it's a really foundational
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area. And those sources we're drawing
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on today, they cover apologetics, you know, defending
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the faith, but also the nature of sin, the consequences of the
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fall for our understanding and this idea of intellectual
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modesty, how that plays. And it's sort of a shortcut,
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hopefully, to understanding how these theological pieces fit
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together and why they matter in, you know, real life, real
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conversations. Absolutely, because sin isn't
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just about actions, is it? It affects, well, everything,
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including how we think. That's the core claim, yeah.
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It touches our reasoning itself. OK, so let's start at the
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beginning. Then let's unpack that
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foundational idea our sources talk about.
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What is sin, really? What was that first rebellion
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about? Well, the sources are pretty
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clear. At its heart, sin is presented
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as a conscious choice to put yourself, your own judgment,
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above God's as the ultimate authority.
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So it's not just breaking a rule like running a red light.
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No, it's deeper than that. Think about Adam and Eve.
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Their act wasn't just eating fruit, it was deciding for
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themselves what was right and wrong, good and evil.
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They listened to the serpent's suggestion that they could be
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like God, knowing good and evil on their own terms.
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Instead of trusting God's perspective, his boundaries.
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Exactly. The sources call this acting
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autonomously. Setting yourself up is the
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ultimate reference point. Like saying my understanding, my
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feelings, my desires are the final word.
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Not God's word is the final word.
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Precisely. And that choice, that
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declaration of autonomy, is what ethically cut humanity off from
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God. It was a break in the
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relationship, a moral severance. Declaration of Independence, but
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maybe one that didn't quite workout as intended.
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You could say that, and this brings up a really critical
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distinction the sources make, something vital to grasp, OK?
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Sin involves breaking loose from God ethically, in terms of our
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choices, our allegiance, our moral compass, but not
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metaphysically. OK, unpack metaphysically for
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us. What does a distinction mean?
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It means we can choose to disobey God, to act against his
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will. That's the ethical break.
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But we cannot break free from Him in terms of our fundamental
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existence, our being. Why not?
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Because our very being, our existence, second by second, is
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entirely dependent on God. He upholds everything.
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For us to break free metaphysically, well, it would
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mean ceasing to exist, vanishing.
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Like unplugging a lamp from the power source.
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Exactly. The lamp can't shine on its own.
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We can't be on our own. Our sources emphasize that our
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creaturely existence is totally reliant on the creator.
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So even in rebellion, we're still utterly dependent.
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Utterly. We're sustained by the very God
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against whom we're rebelling ethically, and understanding
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that is crucial. It shows we can't escape our
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creaturely status, and it reinforces that unbelief isn't
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just a lack of information. It's a chosen stance, a moral
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posture against the one who gives us breath.
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Right. It's not like we could just
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float away into our own separate reality, yeah?
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We're always living in God's reality on his terms,
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metaphysically speaking, even when we try to deny it
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ethically. So that initial act, that
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ethical break, had huge immediate consequences.
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The sources use this powerful phrase.
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They call the fall an anthropological earthquake.
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What's the significance of that? It's a great metaphor, isn't it?
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An earthquake doesn't just damage one room, it shakes the
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whole structure, right down to the foundations.
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It fundamentally changes the landscape, right?
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So the fall wasn't just a minor transgression with limited
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effects, it was a seismic event for human nature itself.
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It marred, as the sources say, every aspect of our being.
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Every aspect like what? Our intellect, our will, our
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emotions, our desires, our physical bodies, everything.
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Romans 5.2 talks about how sin entered the world through one
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man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men
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because all sinned. So it wasn't just Adam and ease
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problem, it became everyone's problem.
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Yes, and that's why human nature itself, from that point on, is
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described in the sources as polluted and corrupted by sin.
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It's not just that we do sinful things, it's that our very
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nature, our core inclinations, are bent away from God.
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Which leads to the term total depravity.
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That's a term that gets misunderstood a lot.
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Doesn't. It it really does, it's vital to
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clarify what it doesn't mean. It doesn't mean every person is
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as wicked as they can possibly be every second of the day.
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Or that people can't do things that seem good or kind.
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Exactly. We see acts of common grace,
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kindness, creativity, love all around us.
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Total depravity doesn't deny that.
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What it does mean is that sin has affected the totality of our
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being. Every part is touched by it.
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So no part of us is left untouched or pure.
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That's the idea. Our minds, our hearts, our
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wills, our consciences, they're all affected, polluted,
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corrupted. There's no little island of pure
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reason or pure goodness left inside us that sin hasn't
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impacted. And this effects our choices,
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our nature. You mentioned our imputed
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standing earlier. That sounds theological.
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Can you explain that a bit? How does Adam sin affect us
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directly? Sure, there are a couple of main
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ways theologians drawing from Scripture understand this
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connection. One is sometimes called senile
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imputation, or the realistic view.
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The idea here is that in a sense, all humanity was
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biologically or genetically present in seed form within Adam
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when he sinned. Like the whole potential forest
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is in the acorn. So when he sinned, we were
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somehow in him representatively. That's the concept.
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So his sin is counted as ours because we were in a very real
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way included in his action as the head of the human race.
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What's the other view? The other main view is called
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federal headship. This one thinks of Adam more
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like a legal or covenantal representative.
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Like an ambassador or present? Kind of.
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God appointed Adam as the representative head of humanity
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in the covenant he made with him in the Garden.
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When Adam, acting as our federal head, chose to disobey, the
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consequences of that choice, sin, guilt, death, were legally
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applied or imputed to all those he represented.
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Which is all of us. All of humanity descending from
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him naturally. So whether you lean towards the
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in his seed idea or the legal representative idea, the outcome
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described in Scripture is the same.
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We inherit A sinful nature and Adam's guilt is reckoned to our
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account. We're counted as sinners because
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of his sin, even before we commit our own own individual
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sins. Wow.
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So it's a double whammy, Imputed guilt in a corrupted nature.
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That's how Reformed theology generally understands it, based
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on passages like Romans 5. And the crucial point for our
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discussion is that this corruption extends to
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everything, including our ability to think clearly, to
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reason correctly, especially about God and spiritual truth.
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That really sets the stage, doesn't it, if our very capacity
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to reason is affected by the fall?
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It changes everything about how we approach knowledge and truth.
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It means human reason, left to itself, isn't a neutral or
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reliable guide. OK, so knowing that the falls
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reach is so pervasive, touching every part of us including our
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minds, how do our sources specifically describe the
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condition of the human mind when it comes to understanding truth,
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especially spiritual truth? Is it just like having a blank
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slate or maybe missing some data?
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No, it's painted in much stronger terms than that.
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It's not presented as neutrality or simple ignorance.
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Our sources pull directly from passages like Ephesians 4.1719,
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which describes the unbelieving mind using words like, well,
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futility. Futility meaning pointless.
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Yeah, like spinning your wheels mentally thinking that doesn't
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arrive at truth or achieve its proper purpose when it comes to
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God. Their understanding is described
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as darkened. Darkened like a light switch
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being off. Or maybe a heavy curtain drawn
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across the window. There's an inability to see or
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grasp spiritual reality clearly. They're excluded from the life
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of God, the text says, because of the ignorance that is in them
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due to the hardness of their heart.
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Ignorance and hardness of heart. So it's both intellectual and
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volitional. Exactly.
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The ignorance isn't just a lack of facts.
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It stems from a heart that's resistant, hardened against God.
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And eventually, Paul says, they become callous, losing
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sensitivity. This is hardly a picture of a
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mind that's objectively seeking truth, is it?
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No, it sounds actively resistant, which fits with what
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you said earlier about suppression.
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Precisely. The sources emphasize that
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unbelievers aren't neutral observers passively waiting for
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evidence. Because remember, they do have
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evidence. For creation the Imago day.
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Yes, through general revelation, God revealing himself in nature
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and conscience. Romans 1 is key here.
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It says people know God through what he has made.
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His invisible attributes are clearly seen.
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But what do they do with that knowledge?
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Suppress it. They suppress the truth in
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unrighteousness. They exchange the truth about
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God for a lie. It's an active twisting, an
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active rejection of the light they already have.
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It's like holding that beach ball underwater.
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It takes effort to keep the truth down.
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So it's not that they can't know God at all, but that they
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actively fight against the knowledge they have.
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That's the picture painted, and this leads to a crucial
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assertion in our sources. Unbelief is fundamentally A
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moral problem rooted in the hearts disposition, not
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primarily an intellectual problem.
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Even though it has intellectual consequences like darkened
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understanding. Yes, the intellectual dimension
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is real, but the root cause identified is moral, A
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resistance, A rebellion, a desire for autonomy that leads
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to suppressing the truth. And this changes how we should
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think about apologetics. If the core issue is moral, then
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simply piling up more intellectual arguments might not
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hit the root problem. That makes sense.
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So if it's primarily moral, how does that specifically impact
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the ability to understand or appraise spiritual knowledge?
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You mentioned 1st Corinthians 2.14 earlier.
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Right. First Corinthians 2.14 is
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critical here. Paul says the natural person
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does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are
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folly to him and he is not able to understand them because they
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are spiritually discerned or appraised.
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Not able to understand them. That sounds pretty definitive.
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What does that inability mean according to the sources?
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It doesn't necessarily mean they can't intellectually grasp the
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concepts. An unbeliever could study
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theology, learn the vocabulary, maybe even pass an exam on
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Christian doctrine. But the sources clarify this
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inability means they cannot understand spiritual truth for
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the intent of applying it. They can't grasp its true
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significance, its beauty, its relevance to their own lives in
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a way that leads to faith and submission.
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It seems like foolishness to them precisely because they lack
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the Holy Spirit who is necessary for that spiritual appraisal.
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So they can see the words on the page, maybe define the terms,
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but they can't see the truth or the value in it.
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That's a good way to put it. Man, acting autonomously, trying
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to be his own ultimate standard, is incapable of truly
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apprehending spiritual truths in a saving way.
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He might grasp facts about God, but his rebellious heart posture
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prevents him from truly believing and embracing those
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facts. Instead, he twists or suppresses
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them. And this leads back to the idea
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of God being foundational for all knowledge.
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Absolutely. This is a core epistemological
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claim in these sources. It's the idea that man must know
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God in order to find intelligibility in anything
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else. Wow.
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Say more about that How is knowing God necessary for
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knowing anything else? The argument is that human
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knowledge isn't self-sufficient. We can't generate reliable,
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coherent knowledge just by looking inwards or relying
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solely on our own reason, especially since that reason is
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affected by sin. Our knowledge is derivative.
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It's completely dependent upon the original knowledge of God.
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Meaning God's own self knowledge.
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And His knowledge of creation, Yes, God's revelation, both
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general creation, conscience and special scripture, becomes the
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necessary foundation for us to understand anything correctly.
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Think about Proverbs 1.7 or 9.10.
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The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge or the
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beginning of wisdom. We usually think of those as
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spiritual or moral statements. They are, but in this framework,
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they're also profound epistemological statements,
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statements about how knowledge itself works.
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They're saying you can't even start to have true knowledge or
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wisdom unless you begin begin with the right relationship to
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God, acknowledging Him as the ultimate source and standard.
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If you don't start with God, your whole framework for
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understanding reality will be skewed.
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Which connects to that seemingly counter intuitive principle.
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Faith precedes understanding. Or I believe in order that I may
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understand. Why is that considered a proper
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starting point for knowledge? It seems backward to the modern
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mindset, doesn't it? Which often says prove it to me,
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make me understand it completely, then I'll believe.
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See it then believe it. But figures like Augustine and
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Anselm and the Reformed tradition following them, argue
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it's the other way around, especially concerning God.
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Faith, which here means not blind faith but a humble trust
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in and submission to God and his revealed truth, is actually the
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necessary prerequisite for correct reasoning and true
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understanding of God's world. How so?
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Because if God is the ultimate reality and the source of all
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truth, and if our unaided reason is darkened by sin and prone to
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suppression, then starting anywhere else but with God, that
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is, starting with ourselves as autonomous judges, is bound to
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lead us astray. Faith puts us in the right
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posture, acknowledging our dependence, receiving God's
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revelation, which then illuminates our understanding.
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So faith opens the door for reason to function properly
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within God's framework. That's the idea.
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It challenges the Enlightenment notion that reason can operate
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neutrally and independently before faith.
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Instead, faith provides the right starting point, the right
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presuppositions for reason to work towards genuine
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understanding. And this relates to epistemic
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humility. Definitely.
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Epistemic humility in this context isn't just about being
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nice and arguments. It's a fundamental recognition
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of our limitations as fallen creatures.
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It's acknowledging that our reason is not ultimate, that
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it's corrupted, and that we are dependent on God's grace and
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revelation for true knowledge, especially knowledge of Him.
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It means relying on God's work, not our own unaided intellect.
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And this reinforces the idea that there's no neutral ground.
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Exactly because of the fall and the way sin affects the mind,
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the sources argue there's no shared neutral platform of pure
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reason where believers and unbelievers can meet on equal
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terms before discussing God. The unbeliever starting point is
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autonomy, which is seen as inherently irrational rebellion.
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To grant legitimacy to that starting point, even for the
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sake of argument, is viewed as compromising the Christian
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position from the outset. Because you'd be accepting their
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faulty foundation. You'd be implicitly accepting
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their claim to be the ultimate judge of truth, which is the
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very heart of sin. The call, then, isn't to meet
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them on their supposed neutral ground, but to call them back to
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the true ground, God Himself. OK, so if human reason is
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corrupted by sin, if unbelievers are actively suppressing the
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truth they know, and if there's no truly neutral ground, this
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raises a big practical question for apologetics.
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Where do you find common ground to even start a conversation?
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How does engagement happen? That's a really common question,
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and sometimes a criticism leveled against this approach,
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but the sources provide a clear answer, though perhaps a
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different one than some expect. The true common ground isn't
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neutral reason, it's the imago day.
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The image of God in every person.
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Yes, every single human being is created in God's image.
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That image was damaged, corrupted, defaced by the Fall,
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but it wasn't entirely obliterated.
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What does that remaining image mean practically?
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It means, according to the sources, that every person deep
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down knows instinctively that he is a created being who is
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responsible to God, even if they deny it, even if they suppress
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it. That fundamental awareness of
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creature hood and accountability is woven into their very being
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because they bear God's image. So the common ground is
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something inherent in the unbeliever, placed there by God.
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Precisely. It's not a neutral philosophical
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space between believer and unbeliever.
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It's the inestapable reality of God's imprint on the unbeliever.
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They live, move, and have their being in God's world stamped
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with His image, possessing an innate, those suppressed sense
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of deity. That's the point of contact.
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And this connects directly back to Romans 1.
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Absolutely. Romans 1.1821 is foundational
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here. It states that what can be known
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about God is plain to them because God has shown it to
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them. His invisible attributes,
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internal power, divine nature, they've been clearly perceived
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ever since the creation of the world in the things that have
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been made. So they are without excuse.
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Exactly. That's Paul's conclusion.
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This implies, as the sources argue, that true atheism in the
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sense of someone having absolutely 0 awareness or
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knowledge of God doesn't really exist.
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Unbelief isn't a lack of knowledge, it's an act of denial
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and suppression of the knowledge people already possessed through
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creation. They're suppressing what they
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see in the world around. Them, and also what they know
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internally. This brings us to Romans 2.
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The law written on the heart, yes.
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Paul argues there that even Gentiles who don't have the
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written Law of Moses show that the work of the Law is written
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on their hearts while their conscience also bears witness.
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God has placed an internal moral compass and inherent sense of
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right and wrong within every person.
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Is that why we see similar moral codes across different cultures?
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Basic ideas about fairness, murder, theft.
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That's argued to be a key reason.
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Even though this internal law is also affected and often
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distorted by sin, it provides A fundamental universal sense of
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morality. People know instinctively that
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some things are right and some are wrong.
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Even when someone rejects objective morality
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intellectually, you often find they still react strongly when
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they are personally wronged, appealing to some standard of
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fairness. So the common ground is the
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Imago day, the knowledge of God from creation, Romans one, and
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the moral law in the heart, Romans 2.
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All things the unbeliever possesses, even if suppressed.
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That's the framework. They already know God.
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They already have a sense of his law.
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The apologists job isn't to give them this knowledge from
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scratch, but to appeal to the knowledge they're actively
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suppressing. So how does this understanding
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shape the actual strategy of engagement?
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It sounds like it's less about trying to convince them of God's
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existence and more about something else.
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It shifts the focus, yes. The task isn't seen as trying to
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gently coax someone towards belief by starting from their
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own assumptions. Instead, it's understood more as
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calling the unbeliever to repentance, to turn away from
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their sinful autonomy and suppression of truth, and to
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acknowledge the God they already know.
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How do you do that without just causing them to shut down?
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Well, it involves challenging their fundamental
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presupposition, the assumption that they are the ultimate
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authority, that their reason or experience is the final judge of
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truth. This is where Francis Schaefer's
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idea of taking the roof off comes.
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In taking the roof off, what does that mean?
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It means exposing the internal inconsistencies and the ultimate
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inadequacy of the non Christian worldview.
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You gently, patiently show how their own beliefs, if followed,
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consistently lead to absurdity or fail to provide a basis for
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the very things they take for granted, like logic, science,
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morality, meaning. So you show that their own
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house, their worldview, doesn't have a solid foundation or a
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protective roof. It can't stand up to scrutiny.
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Exactly. You demonstrate that their
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worldview is, in a sense, philosophically bankrupt because
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it cannot account for reality as we experience it.
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The goal isn't just to win an argument, but to show them that
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their rejection of God makes their own position
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unintelligible. The sources mentioned Proverbs
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26 verses four and five as a guide.
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Here they seem contradictory. Answer not a fool according to
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his folly. Answer a fool according to his
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folly. How does that work?
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It's a brilliant piece of practical wisdom for this kind
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of engagement. Verse 4 Answer Not a fool
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according to his folly, lest you be like him, warns us not to
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adopt the unbelievers flawed assumptions or starting points.
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Don't play a game entirely by their rules.
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Right. Don't concede that their
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autonomous reason is the neutral place to begin.
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If you do that, you're already on their faulty Renard.
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OK then verse 5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest to
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be wise in his own eyes. This verse gives permission,
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even instruction, to demonstrate the consequences of their folly.
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Show them where their flawed starting points lead.
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Expose the internal contradictions and the
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foolishness in the biblical sense of rejecting God of their
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position. So you don't adopt their
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premises V4, but you show the absurd conclusions those
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premises lead to V5. Precisely.
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It's an internal critique. You're showing them the
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bankruptcy of their own system from within, using their own
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assumptions to demonstrate their inadequacy, so they can't remain
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comfortable or wise in their own eyes.
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This approach also seems relevant for dealing with common
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objections or fallacies. Yes, very much so.
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Our sources advise addressing common objections.
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Things like the Bible contradicts itself, science
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disproves God, all religions are the same.
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You can make the Bible say anything by often pointing out
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the unwarranted assumptions or philosophical biases behind
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them. Like assuming miracles are
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impossible from the start. Or assuming that only things
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verifiable by the scientific method can be true.
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These aren't neutral, proven facts, They are philosophical
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presuppositions that need to be challenged.
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We're also encouraged to identify logical fallacies in
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arguments against faith. Things like straw man arguments,
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ad hominem attacks. Exactly.
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Straw man, Appeal to emotion, appeal to popularity, false
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dilemmas, red herrings, cherry picking evidence.
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Pointing these out isn't just about winning debate points.
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Our sources connect this back to God's character.
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God is a God of truth and reason.
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Logic reflects his nature. So exposing illogical arguments
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is actually upholding God's rational order.
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In a sense, yes. It shows that the Christian
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worldview provides the very foundation for reason and logic,
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while arguments against it often rely on violating those
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principles. It's another way of answering a
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fool according to his folly. OK, this leads us to a really
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significant and maybe sometimes intimidating aspect of
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presuppositionalism, the transcendental argument for God
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or TAG. What is this argument and what
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does transcendental reasoning even mean?
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Right tag is definitely a distinctive feature.
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Transcendental reasoning isn't about looking for specific
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pieces of evidence in the world to point to God, like finding a
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watch on the beach, suggests a watchmaker.
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OK. So it's different from arguments
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from design or cosmology, Yes. It's asking a different kind of
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question. It's asking what general
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conditions, what underlying realities must already be true
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for anything, for knowledge, for logic, for science, for morality
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to be possible or intelligible at all.
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So it's looking for the necessary preconditions of our
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experience. Exactly what must be presupposed
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for our thinking and experience to even make sense.
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It digs underneath our everyday assumptions.
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And what is the core claim of tag in relation to Christianity?
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The core claim is bold. It's that only the truth of the
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Christian worldview, particularly as understood and
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Reformed theology, can rescue the meaningfulness and coherence
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of logic, science, and morality. Only Christianity.
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That's the assertion. The argument is that all non
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Christian worldviews, when you examine their foundations,
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ultimately fail. They are either internally
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contradictory, or they can't provide a rational basis for the
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very tools they try to use, like reason, or the realities they
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experience, like objective morality or the uniformity of
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nature that science relies on. So they can't actually make
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sense of the world, or even their own ability to make sense
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of the world. That's the argument.
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They borrow capital, so to speak, from the Christian
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worldview. Like assuming logic works while
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denying the very foundation that makes it work.
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TAG aims to expose this dependence and show that
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Christianity provides the necessary framework for
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intelligibility. It argues from the impossibility
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of the contrary. What does that mean, and how is
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it different from arguing for probability?
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Most arguments for God aim to show his existence is probable
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or likely based on evidence. The cosmological argument says
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the universe is beginning and makes God likely.
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The design argument says complexity makes a designer
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likely. Tag takes a different route.
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It argues for the certainty of the Christian God's existence by
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demonstrating the impossibility of the alternative.
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It claims that if the Christian God were not real, then you
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couldn't actually know anything, reason logically, do science
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reliably, or make meaningful moral judgments.
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So the very fact that we can do these things proves God's
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existence. It proves the necessity of the
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truth claims of the Christian worldview, which includes God's
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existence as foundational. The argument is any worldview
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contrary to Christianity ultimately self destructs
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because it undermines the very possibility of knowledge,
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reason, and meaning. Therefore Christianity must be
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true. God's existence isn't just
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likely, it's the necessary precondition for making sense of
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anything. That's a powerful claim.
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How does it actually work in practice?
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How do you start? The methodology as described in
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the sources is to start with almost any aspect of human
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experience or belief that the non Christian accepts.
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It could be the laws of logic, the reliability of senses, the
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existence of scientific laws, the wrongness of torturing
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babies for fun, even the intelligibility of language
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itself. OK, pick one of those.
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Then you ask, what must be true about reality for this thing,
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say, the universal validity of logical laws to make sense?
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Why should logic work everywhere, always for everyone?
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Why isn't it just a convention or a chemical reaction in our
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brains? And the argument is that only
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the Christian God provides a solid answer.
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Yes. The argument contends that only
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a worldview grounded in a rational, unchanging, sovereign
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God who created an orderly universe and minds capable of
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reflecting his rationality can provide a coherent, non
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arbitrary basis for these things.
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Materialism, for example, struggles to explain universal
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immaterial laws of logic arising from non rational matter.
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Other world views face similar challenges.
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TAG tries to show that only the Christian framework holds
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together. Are all presuppositionalist
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exactly the same on how tag functions?
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There's some internal nuance mentioned.
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Thinkers like Cornelius Van Till and his student Greg Bonson
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tended to see tag as the argument, the one comprehensive
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proof that stands alone. The only one needed.
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Essentially, yes. Others, like John Frame, while
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holding to the core presuppositional approach and
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the validity of TAG, are perhaps more open to using other types
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of arguments, like cosmological or design arguments, not as
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independent proofs that start from neutral ground, but as
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arguments used within the Christian framework or as
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supporting evidence for TAG. Like showing specific ways the
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non Christian worldview fails to account for things.
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Exactly. They might use evidence from
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science or history to further illustrate the points Tag makes
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about the coherence of Christianity and the incoherence
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of alternatives. So there's agreement on the
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foundation, but maybe some difference in tactical emphasis.
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OK, shifting from the theoretical, even something as
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profound as TAG, to the very practical, what do our sources
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say about the day-to-day realities for someone wanting to
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engage in apologetics or share their faith using this
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understanding? This is crucial because theory
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without practice is, well, futile To use that word from
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Ephesians, the sources stressed several things.
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First, the absolute necessity of a godly life that backs up one's
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words. Actions speaking louder than
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words. Absolutely.
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Hypocrisy undermines the message completely.
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People need to see the truth lived out.
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Apologetics isn't just intellectual sparring, it's
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bearing witness, and your life is a major part of that witness.
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Alongside that is prayer. Why prayer specifically?
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Because it keeps us reliant upon God, it reminds us that this
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isn't about our cleverness or winning arguments.
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It's about God's truth and God's work.
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Prayer fosters that epistemic humility we talked about and
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acknowledges that ultimately, changing hearts is God's
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business. Which leads right into the role
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of the Holy Spirit. Yes, the sources are emphatic.
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It's the Spirit that opens the eyes.
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You can have the most logical, brilliant argument, perfectly
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tailored, but if the Holy Spirit isn't working in the person's
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heart to remove that hardness, to illuminate that darkened
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understanding, it won't land. It won't bring about genuine
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spiritual understanding or conversion.
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This takes immense pressure off the apologist to feel like they
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have to force belief through argument.
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We're called to be faithful in presenting the truth, but the
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results are in God's hands, worked through His Spirit.
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And how we present it matters too, right?
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The spirit of the apologist. Hugely important apologetics
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must be done with the right spirit.
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First, Peter 3 tells us to make our defense with gentleness and
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reference. There's absolutely no room for a
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pugnacious and arrogant attitude.
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Which can be tempting sometimes in debates.
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It can be, but Titus 3 urges believers to be peaceable,
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considerate, and always gentle toward everyone.
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And Second Timothy 2 speaks of correcting opponents with
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gentleness, being patient when wronged in the hope that God
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might grant repentance. The attitude should reflect the
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grace of the message, not our own pride.
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Humility is key. So godly life, prayer, reliance
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on the spirit, gentleness. What about the content itself?
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What's the primary tool? Scripture unequivocally, the
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sources say Scripture is the primary weapon to be used
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unabashedly and with confidence. How just quoting verses?
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That can be part of it, certainly, but it's broader.
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It means relating biblical principles, understanding issues
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through a biblical lens, and, crucially, presenting the grand
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narrative of the Bible, the major storylines of the
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Christian worldview. You mean like creation?
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Creation, the Fall, the incarnation, God becoming man in
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Jesus, and restoration God's plan to redeem all things.
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This big picture provides the context for understanding
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everything else, including the Gospel message itself.
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And the sources point to Paul in Athens in Acts 17 as a kind of
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model. Yes, particularly for engaging
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with people who don't share a biblical background, which is
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increasingly common today. Paul didn't start by quoting Old
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Testament prophecies to the Greek philosophers on Mars Hill.
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Because it wouldn't have meant anything to them.
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Right. He started where they were, but
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on God's terms. He started with creation.
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He established the Creator creature relationship, God as
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the maker and Sustainer of all, the source of life and breath,
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the One in whom we live and move and have our being.
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He pointed out their own poets even hinted at this dependence.
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So he appealed to General Revelation first.
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Yes, establishing the fundamental reality of God as
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creator and judge. Then having laid that
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foundation, he called them to repent because God has set a day
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for judgement, offering proof of this through the resurrection of
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Jesus. It was a full orbed presentation
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of the Christian worldview, starting from creation, moving
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to human responsibility, sin implied in the call to repent,
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judgment and redemption in Christ.
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That's a powerful pattern. Does personal experience fit in
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here too? Sharing your own story.
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Absolutely. The sources acknowledge that
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sharing your personal testimony, what God has done in your life
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through Jesus Christ, is a legitimate and often powerful
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form of evidence. Why powerful?
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Because it makes the truth personal and relational, it
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shows the difference Christ makes in a real life.
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The sources even note that likely more people come to
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Christ based on the example of a godly life and witness than from
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sophisticated philosophical arguments.
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It connects heart to heart. So what's the relationship then
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between this kind of apologetics and just straightforward
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evangelism, sharing the gospel? Are they separate things?
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Within this Reformed presuppositional framework, they
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generally see no distinction. Apologetics isn't seen as a
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separate activity you do before evangelism to clear the ground,
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rather showing the bankruptcy and foolishness of unbelieving
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thought. Apologetics in the Proverbs 26.5
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cents can be an integral part of presenting the gospel
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evangelism. So challenging someone's
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worldview is part of calling them to Christ.
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It can be while presenting the core gospel message, who Jesus
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is, what he did, the need for repentance and faith is primary.
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Confronting the faulty assumptions and suppressing
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heart of the unbeliever is seen as a scripturally warranted
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aspect of that presentation. It clears away the self
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deception that prevents them from seeing their need for
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grace. Does this mean every Christian
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needs to be a master debater or philosopher to share their
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faith? Not at all, and the sources are
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careful to make that point. Complex apologetics isn't a
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requirement for every believer. A simple, clear presentation of
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the gospel, grounded in the confidence that the listener
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already knows God and is suppressing that truth, is
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powerful and sufficient. The Holy Spirit uses faithful
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witnesses, not just philosophical experts.
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So it relieves the burden in a way.
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Yes, and it gives confidence. Even Jesus, our sources note,
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engaged in batting down foolishness.
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Think of Matthew 12, where he logically refused the absurd
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claim that he casts out demons by the power of Satan.
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He exposed the irrationality of their charge.
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That provides a clear warrant for us to gently and reasonably
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address flawed thinking when we encounter it all in service of
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the Gospel. This has been incredibly
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insightful thinking about the falls impact on the mind.
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The nature of sin is truth suppression.
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It really does shift how you might approach conversations
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about faith, doesn't it? It changes the objective in a
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way. You realize you're not trying to
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impart brand new information to a neutral recipient, but calling
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someone to stop fighting the truth they already know because
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of God's image and revelation, and to instead embrace the grace
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offered in Christ. It moves it from just an
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intellectual exercise to something much deeper involving
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the heart, the will and dependence on the spirit.
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Absolutely. So as we wrap up this deep dive,
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a final thought for you, our listener, to take away based on
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everything we've unpacked today. Yeah, consider this.
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If it's true, as these sources argue based on Scripture, that
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all people inherently know God because they are made in his
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image and live in his world, but actively suppress that truth,
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what does that understanding compel you to do?
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How does it change the way you see your neighbors, your
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colleagues, your family members who don't yet believe?
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And how might it shape your conversations, knowing that the
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call to repent and believe in Jesus isn't some irrational
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leap, but actually the most reasonable, coherent response to
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the reality they already, deep down know?