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The Righteous Gemstones with S3 Costume Designer, Christina Flannery · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  Yeah, like there's one thing he's wearing, like a three piece
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  like linen set. That's like from Banana
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  Republic. That very much looks like
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  something the guy from the Jurassic Park would wear.
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  Oh my God. That's what it is.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Dr. Harman Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.
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  Hello and welcome to the Art of Costume podcast.
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  I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass. And I am Spencer Williams.
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  Hey, Elizabeth. Hey, Spencer, How's it going?
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  Going I'm feeling very holy after all the great television.
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  We've been watching this past for me a few months.
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  I bet you are. I am as well.
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  Oh my gosh, I have an announcement.
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  We have some very important business to take care of before
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  we get into this week's assignment or podcast
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  assignment. Sorry, my head still melted.
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  A few weeks ago. We came back from break and we
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  talked about Mamma Mia, right? Yeah.
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  And what was like the most important question that we asked
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  our audience? Who's the baby daddy?
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  Who is the baby daddy? Well, the Art of Costume podcast
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  audience. I was very loud about this and.
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  That's exciting. We have some more.
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  We have some answers here. Are you ready to talk about this
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  and put this to bed forever? I am so ready.
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  Elizabeth, Are you ready to find out who the Father is?
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  I can't with this. So whenever I was sick from
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  school, I used to always watch The Maury Show or Jerry
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  Springer. So this is like kind of a moment
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  I've been living for my entire life.
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  I'm ready. Are you're ready for your Maury
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  moment? Okay, the results are in
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  Elizabeth. In the case of 20 year old
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  Sophie, Harry is not the father. Not a shocker there.
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  Not a shocker, but seven people did vote for Harry, so which
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  actually jumped up toward the end.
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  It was one for the longest time. I get it.
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  I would want Harry to be my dad of the three, quite frankly.
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  Well, Harry didn't do the job though.
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  But now to find out who the real father is with one more vote
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  than the other person. So perhaps we don't have some
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  conclusive results. In the case of 20 year old
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  Sophie, Sam is the father with 15 votes compared to Bill's 14
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  votes. Dang, people really think it's
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  Sam. And it would have been tied, but
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  I took away 1 Elizabeth Joy glasses vote.
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  By the way, I saw her sneak that in there.
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  Hey, there was a poll. It was.
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  I just clicked. But my conscience told me to.
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  Some audience responses. One person on TikTok who goes by
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  the username of EBE says I asked the question who do you believe
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  the the baby daddy is? And they said of the blonde ass
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  child that has to be Bill. Yes, that's part of what I'm
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  saying. His aunt gave them the the yeah.
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  And then another person, Madison Calvert, said, I don't know,
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  thinking about the timeline, Donna was with Bill most
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  recently, so it could have been him.
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  If we're considering time, which I think that is, you know,
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  pretty logical. Yeah.
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  So the Bill fans are a little bit more elaborate in their
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  responses. Yeah.
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  And then another person just to talk about the costumes.
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  They said that the Don and the Dynamo costumes were also their
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  one costume ruled them all. They feel that they are gorgeous
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  and they introduced the out of this world, magical field.
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  The movie love the podcast, so lots of great responses for the
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  Mamma Mia episode. Yay.
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  Yeah. But that being said, I don't
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  feel like we've come to really understand who the true baby
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  daddy is. We're just still torn.
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  No, and I feel like it's a question that will never get
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  answered unless Sophie has a medical emergency in the third.
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  Right. If we ever do Mama Mia 2 on a
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  podcast, we'll have to revisit this.
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  But for now, I don't know. Just I guess just live with it.
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  Like, if I was Sophie, I'd be like, I totally want all three
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  of you in my life. But like, can we just like have
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  a DNA test on file in case anything serious happens?
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  What we do know is is not Harry, so no that we're at least we're
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  making a pool from 3:00 to 2:00. So yeah, yeah.
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  Sorry, Harry, that being so. Man.
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  Elizabeth, we have a fun episode.
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  What did we watch this week? Talk about a situation where the
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  baby daddy is not in question. This week we've watched
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  Righteous Jen So. This is my new favorite show.
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  I am watching the show I I so good.
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  We're getting ready to talk about this show and listen to an
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  interview. I did that interview a while ago
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  now and I've rewatched the show so many times since then.
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  It's just. It's my new comfort show.
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  It's so funny. It has so much heart to it and
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  the costumes are just chef's kiss.
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  It was so hilarious. Like like can't.
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  I can't describe how funny I found this show.
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  Do you? I was just wondering, is it
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  funnier to you because you're a little bit more religious
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  compared to like myself? Oh, oh, yeah, like.
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  So I kind of grew up while like mega churches were like becoming
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  a really big thing and like kind of like the end of like purity
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  culture and evangelicalism. So like I kind of like saw where
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  they were coming from. Like as I was growing up, I like
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  the church I was in. It was Baptist, but it was a
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  little it was a little more nondenominational than Baptist.
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  So, like, I didn't get, like, the craziness that they
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  experienced, but I was watching this and I was like, Oh my gosh,
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  I've seen people like this. Like, I know people like this.
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  Like it's it was wild. So funny.
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  All the characters are great. Do you have a favorite
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  character? Oh my gosh, I think it's
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  probably Keith. No, Yeah, Keith, I mean, Keith
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  is just, he's everything. And Keith and Kelvin, they're my
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  favorite characters, Especially because, like Kelvin is just
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  like the quintessential, like youth minister.
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  Too close to home? Like, no, literally.
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  Like my youth pastor was a lot like this.
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  He was like a little older and like had a family.
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  It was a little more mature. But, like, very much.
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  Like, I just want to teach you a little bit about the Bible and
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  have fun, yeah. Go to trampoline parks and
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  stuff. It's it's so like.
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  Literally like because we would have like the fall retreat every
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  year and we went to this, you would go to like a a big like
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  camp and like every year we would have one of those like big
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  like, just like. I forget what it's called, but
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  like, it's like a big inflatable on the lake and like one person
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  sits on the end, the other person jumps and you're like
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  launched into the air. Geez, that.
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  Was like his favorite thing to do.
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  Well, my favorite character is baby Billy Freeman.
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  I think he is so hilarious and every time he comes on screen
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  I'm just so excited. His musical numbers are
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  everything. He just gives me so much life.
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  I I'll be honest. Baby Billy, he lost.
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  I lost a lot of respect for him in Season 2.
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  But why? What did you do, leave his kid
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  at a mall? Left his kid at a mall, left his
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  pregnant wife by saying I'm going to go get you funions and
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  never coming back. Funions.
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  Oh gosh, yeah. Let's dive into this.
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  So I think he starts off with a summary.
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  All right. The Righteous Gemstones follows
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  a world famous televangelist family with a long tradition of
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  deviance, greed and charitable work.
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  In the wake of their father's semi retirement, Jesse, Judy and
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  Kelvin must deal with dwindling attendance and donations.
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  Eli is visited by a another figure from his past.
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  Yeah, Eli and those random figures showing up every season.
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  He needs to. Cut some people off on.
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  Facebook or something. Oh my gosh, the militia was so
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  funny. So militia was.
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  So funny. Let's go behind the costumes
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  before we talk about the entire show.
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  Yeah, this series was created by Danny McBride, who also plays
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  Jesse. He has a very large role in this
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  and we have costume designers Sarah Trust, who did season one
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  and two. And Christina Flannery, who did
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  season three, You wanna know Sarah from her work on AP Bio,
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  Vice Principals. And she was also a contestant on
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  Project Runway Season eight, which I did not know until
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  recently. I don't think we've had a
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  costume designer slash Project Runway contestant.
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  So love that. And season three.
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  The costumes were designed by Christina Flannery who did the
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  Chai Fresh and players, and I have gone to know each of these
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  designers individually and they are two of the coolest costume
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  designers in the game. We'll talk about Christina a
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  little bit because we do. She will be joining us in the
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  studio shortly, but Ramley. Just a few weeks ago, I went to
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  a event for Mitchell Traverse and ran into Sarah at the bar,
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  and it was love at first sight. I talked about the righteous
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  gemstones with her all night long over multiple drinks and
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  she's just. I'm obsessed with her.
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  It's amazing. Oh my God.
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  So cool, so funny. And then Christina Flannery
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  doing this interview with her. She is just so amazing, so cool,
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  and has so many great insights into the costumes and the
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  development of these characters. So with that being said, I'm
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  we're actually going to take a little break here and when we
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  come back, we're going to play my interview with Christina
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  Flannery all about season three of the Righteous gemstones.
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  After that interview, Elizabeth and I will come back and play
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  our favorite game. Yes,
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  I am. So excited to introduce Costume
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  Designer season three of. The Righteous Gemstones.
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  Costume designer Christina Flannery.
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  Hey, Christina. Hi.
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  How are you? I'm so good.
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  I'm so excited to talk to you. I've been.
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  Basically binging the show every hour of every day.
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  And I'm obsessed and I've just been dying to talk to you.
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  So I'm so ready. I love that.
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  Thank you. Well, to begin, I'd love to know
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  a little bit more about you. Where are you from and why?
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  Costume design. I feel like I didn't choose the
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  wardrobe life, it chose me. It was kind of like ever since I
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  was young, I've started working in like thrift stores and stuff
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  like that. And then I transitioned and to,
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  I've always been kind of one of those people that's like I can
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  do it too. So I transitioned.
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  I worked in like buy, sell, trade stores, like Buffalo
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  Exchange type things, vintage shops.
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  And then I opened up my own store in New Orleans and I did
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  that for a while. And then of course, you know,
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  there's a huge film industry there.
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  So I was like tinkering in, like helping, like basically helping
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  people shop within my store to get clothes for like Dallas
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  Buyers Club and other films that would come in.
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  And then I would start peeing a little bit.
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  And then basically I started peeing and it was a pretty quick
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  run because I again am very, like, driven.
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  So I was like, I want to be a designer.
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  I want to do all I want to do all this.
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  And at the time, I'd been styling my own personal projects
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  for probably 10 years at that point.
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  So it was just kind of like a nice, like, transition.
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  Obviously it takes a long time. It's not something that happened
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  overnight. But New Orleans is kind of where
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  I got my my start. And then I just kept, you know,
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  pushing and pushing And, you know, here I am 10 years later.
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  I've been designing for about 10 years now.
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  Wow. OK.
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  So it was a kind of natural progression for you, definitely.
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  It wasn't mean. It was just like, I'm like
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  always dealt with vintage clothing and that's why I feel
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  like most of my work heavily leans, period.
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  Or like hyper stylized because it's just kind of like in my
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  Forte, like I hate, I will rather die than do like tshirt
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  and jeans. I'm lucky I don't get those
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  jobs. So it's like, you know, like I'm
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  like, oh wait, can I have that job?
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  It's like, well, they want to hire you because you're doing a
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  monster caused you, not because you're doing like a tshirt Jean
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  campaign for Gap, You know, so. Right, exactly.
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  Well, I cannot think of a better project to talk about then then
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  season three of the Righteous gemstone, so let's get into it.
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  So gain into season three. You were new to the show.
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  What kind of research and preparation did you go through
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  gain into the series? So I am a huge fan of the show
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  and I am a huge fan of Danny McBride.
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  I've watched you know these Bound and Down, basically
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  anything that films he's ever been in he's definitely like.
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  He's a genius, the genius. He is my kind of humor.
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  I mean I just, I'm like potty humor.
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  Like, you know, I'm just like so I know Sarah.
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  She designed up season one and two and I've always been a fan
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  of the show. So it was kind of like, you know
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  chatting with her a little bit when I was getting going and
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  just watching the show as a fan. And then generally when you meet
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  on a show, you're like, can I have the first episode or can I
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  have the script blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  And they had nothing. So it was like just watch the
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  show and kind of like put together that plus like Y2K
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  references and I'm well, totally gotcha.
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  I love the show and I watch every single moment of it.
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  So I had told my agent before he even got the interview I was
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  like I really want to work on the show like the ranges
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  gemstones and about like 2 weeks later they had had a meeting for
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  me on it. So it was really cool.
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  Yeah perfect. So I felt like it's it was a
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  natural you know it's I'm from the South.
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  I have I'm I'm very knowledgeable in like religious
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  stuff but I'm also very intrigued by hyper stylized and
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  like pushing like the comic many aspect.
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  I worked with a director called Ian Ponds, jewel in a lot of,
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  you know, he's a really incredible commercial director
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  that I've been like all over, you know, different countries
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  and different places working with him.
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  And it was like a nice, it's just kind of my Forte.
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  Like it was just very much like this is my world and it was
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  like, ah, my world is friendly coming together.
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  Right. And when it comes to the
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  costuming, how much is built versus shopped for this series?
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  I would say we built like, I mean The thing is most
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  characters have something that's built, I believe this season in
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  a certain way. But you know, it's it's hard to
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  say with gemstones because gemstones is one of the biggest,
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  I would say just in general shows with background and stuff
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  like that and all the different pockets of storylines that are
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  going on that I personally ever watched in general and moving
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  into that, you're not like, you're like okay, this is a
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  beast. But then you're like, when
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  you're in it, you're like, holy shit, this is a huge beast
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  because you've got, like, you know, doomsday preppers and
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  you've got just the action church, which is like hundreds
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  of people. It's called a mega church for a
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  reason. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. So you know I percentage wise
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  it's hard to say because it's not that much percentage wise,
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  but it's like what we did build like for example those Cape and
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  pistol rubs, I think we mean like 180 of those and those are
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  so dumb. So there is a minimal amount,
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  but it's a massive effect. So yeah.
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  So I'm excited to dive into the gemstones and their own personal
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  styles. Like you said you know it, they
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  are very over the top in their everyday wardrobes.
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  And I would say this season they're a little bit more
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  elevated too, now that they're coming into their own as leaders
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  of the church. So let's start with Jesse,
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  played by the brilliant Danny McBride.
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  How would you describe Jesse style?
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  And what was it like collaborating with Danny, who is
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  also the creator, a producer a writer sometimes director All
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  the things King he he is the king.
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  So I'll start with collaborating with Danny.
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  Like I said it's it's it's like even from the very beginning I
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  had my interview with him and I was like Danny, can I please.
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  I feel like I have a very it's my personality is very like.
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  So it's like when I I was on the phone with Danny and we're
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  chatting and I'm like dude, can we do jinkos?
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  And he was like cackling, laughing.
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  I had like a 11 minute interview with him.
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  So it was literally like 2 just people bro and down.
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  So like it was really fun and great and just in general as a
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  whole throughout the whole series, Danny is the most
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  supportive. I cannot literally say I am like
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  praise, like he is the best showrunner I've ever worked
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  with. He is so thoughtful so like
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  communicative and like very involved and he's dedicated.
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  I don't even know how the man, he's a superhuman.
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  I don't know how he is able to like juggle all he does and he
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  responds so quickly to every question you have and he's so
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  thorough. So working with him was amazing.
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  He basically my I I like to say this my friend he he's the
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  producer for Liquid Death and he's because I work with them a
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  lot and they're weird shit that they do like, you know this is
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  just like when you let Christina off the chain and give her some
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  money and like righteous Gemstone season 3 is what
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  happened. So it was Danny like just
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  unleashed me gave me money and like creative freedom and pushed
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  me and you know I was able to have an incredible crew to
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  really like go mental. So I would say honestly, if more
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  people could like could be like Danny and like I, it's just like
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  I am so fortunate and I wish that people could like literally
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  go to the school of Danny McBride to know how to be film
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  makers and showrunners, you know?
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  That's incredible. Yeah, yeah.
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  So then tell me about Jesse's style this season.
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  He definitely is coming into his own as the leader as of the
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  Church. Yeah, so I pushed a lot of his
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  wardrobe again. Like on the left you'll see that
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  is a Golce and Gabbana 3 piece suit, which we even added like
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  paneling or excuse me, the piping to the the vest, even
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  accentuated more so pushing him up.
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  Like, I think the top is Prada. And he also very much looks
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  incredible in a jacket, like a good leather jacket.
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  So bless his heart, he wore jackets in like 100 degree
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  weather with like 100 degree humidity because Oh my gosh,
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  dedicated. I mean, there's definitely
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  moments where he's like, I don't know about this silk Versace
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  top, you know, I'm basically dying in it.
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  And I'm like, what can we do? Yeah, you're like, but Jesse
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  would wear it. Yeah.
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  The thing is is like you know with these guys they're like the
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  gemstones would not be caught dead in like fake or or like low
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  end designer like you know it's like they are so wealthy that
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  they have rocks that are probably I would envision pushed
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  into their spot with like design.
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  I mean that's what they all say care about is the image, you
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  know, and doing that while you know, making what's accessible
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  to them in that region. And then also like they are all
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  in a way stunted. So like you know, bringing in
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  the element of like designer but not like, you know, runway
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  couture that's like tailored and all that.
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  So. So it's a lot of like flashy
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  stuff for him, you know, belts, ties, accents, jewelry, and
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  then. Yeah, just kind of touching on
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  that element of like Elvis and George Jones and like what we
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  would see those people wearing if they were alive today, right.
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  Also, like, you know, again, with his wardrobe, it's very
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  like he was one of the ones where I like, took like what
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  Sarah did and kind of like kept like in that pathway and like,
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  you know, put my own twist on it.
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  But he's the one, I would say out of the three that I didn't
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  pivot so much. Right, right, right, right.
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  Yeah. Because at the end of the day he
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  has his own style and it doesn't really change much because he's
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  always kind of seen himself as a leader anyways, I would say
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  exactly. And he's like, you know,
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  unfortunately men's clothing, we don't have as many opportunities
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  as you do for say like Judy and stuff like that.
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  It's like if it's if it's not broke, don't fix it.
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  Kind of thing like short sleep button fronts and just like
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  adding that element of like, I mean I think in this top picture
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  he's wearing a Prada top with an Hermes belt.
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  Like, it's just those little touches like that, you know, if
• 22:48
  you have money, you would, you would have.
• 22:50
  Right, let's talk about Kelvin now.
• 22:54
  Kelvin is always up to some sort of new venture.
• 22:58
  This season, Kelvin and Ki formed a Smut Busters to shut
• 23:02
  down local sex shops by buying out their inventory.
• 23:05
  So tell me about Kelvin's style this season, which is a lot
• 23:09
  different than last season. So yes, he, I would say it was
• 23:13
  one of the ones that made the biggest transition.
• 23:17
  I wanted him to seem more like a hype priest and kind of lean
• 23:22
  into that world of like what you see on like Tiktok for like
• 23:27
  youth pastors, which is the ads and things like that.
• 23:31
  I did a lot of research and like basically made my own Tiktok
• 23:35
  account so I could like, like just literally, like suffocate
• 23:39
  myself in this like culture. So like, I think even on my
• 23:43
  Instagram, I probably still have, you know, Hillsong and
• 23:47
  like, just a lot of the little subreddits and subcultures of
• 23:52
  these people. So you're going to see like a
• 23:53
  lot of, you know, supreme off white Gvanchi Gucci, I think
• 24:02
  this shirt is D this blazer is D ^2 or sorry, no blazer up vest
• 24:06
  is D ^2. And I think the shirt
• 24:08
  underneath, gosh, I can't even remember that one is.
• 24:11
  But that one is like, Yikes, that's that was what I had to
• 24:14
  have. But my God, that print on print.
• 24:19
  Oh, it's rough. And then for Smoke, um, what?
• 24:23
  Busters was obviously written in the script and like, I think,
• 24:28
  you know, initially it was kind of like Keep It Simple was the
• 24:31
  kind of thing that I was being told.
• 24:33
  And keeping things simple doesn't.
• 24:35
  It's really hard for me. So I had some ideas and threw
• 24:39
  them around and basically landed on the smut Busters like with
• 24:43
  the Zubas. And then each individual
• 24:46
  character has like a different color sock that matches with the
• 24:50
  shoe or something matches the shirt and then each shoe, if you
• 24:54
  can actually see in that photo, my whole department like we had
• 24:57
  like a like downtime and prep or something like that.
• 25:00
  And we just laid out all the Velcro shoes and everybody wrote
• 25:03
  and we've had like puffy paint pens and all that's that says
• 25:07
  little details like love, Jesus this, that.
• 25:09
  So we had those touches and yeah, that one came together.
• 25:14
  And the real concept behind this is that it's it's a nod to like
• 25:19
  Double Dare. So like that's kind of like
• 25:22
  what? That that floogy like logo and
• 25:26
  stuff like that. That was me and the production
• 25:28
  designer Richard Wright, like kind of coming together and just
• 25:31
  being like Double Dare. Holy shit, this is hilarious.
• 25:34
  So, and it really landed, you know, I I think it's like it's
• 25:39
  so funny and it's really good to follow up with something like
• 25:44
  the God Squad from last season. Right.
• 25:46
  I think Kelvin is so funny. I was talking about this with I
• 25:49
  think my dad last night, cuz he's been staying with me and
• 25:52
  forcing him to watch Righteous Stem Stones and he loves it.
• 25:55
  And we're talking about Kevin. I'm like, I just don't
• 25:57
  understand him. I think he's just like the
• 25:59
  youngest one. He's trying to be cool and
• 26:01
  relate to, you know, the youth, but then at the same time maybe
• 26:06
  he's taking on that same personality.
• 26:08
  He's just he's such a fun interesting character.
• 26:11
  Yeah, I I I love his character. I think that he to me is like
• 26:15
  the most, like the the most like kindest heart of the of the
• 26:19
  three. Like he has great intentions.
• 26:22
  And like there's just like there's just something not quite
• 26:26
  right right now. There's the whole key element
• 26:30
  that like, we're like, let's go already.
• 26:32
  We've waited a few seasons like let's.
• 26:35
  Go. Yeah, come on, let's, let's go
• 26:37
  to be waiting for that to come on.
• 26:39
  You know the whole what he'll be come once he opens up those
• 26:43
  gate. Exactly.
• 26:45
  So we have to talk about Judy Jemstone.
• 26:47
  She is. On top of her game this season,
• 26:50
  Or is she? She is played by Edie Patterson
• 26:54
  and Judy is really feeling herself as her career as a
• 26:56
  performer starts to take off. And like you kind of mentioned
• 27:01
  it earlier, but I just love how you know they would never be
• 27:04
  caught dead. And something that's, you know,
• 27:05
  basic. And I kind of feel like Judy is
• 27:07
  almost always in costume, even when she's sneaking to go see
• 27:11
  her side, man, she's like in full disguise, but it's a
• 27:13
  costume. And I just love Judy for it.
• 27:16
  So talk about Judy's costumes this season.
• 27:20
  Yeah. So Judy is definitely one of my
• 27:25
  faves, obviously. And I, you loved working with
• 27:30
  her because she is just very much like get down on the ground
• 27:34
  with you. This is where like we're talking
• 27:36
  about let's go through these ideas.
• 27:37
  She was the one that was in for so many fittings because it was
• 27:41
  just like, it was such an enjoyable like experience to
• 27:44
  work with her and like she was so excited and I was so excited.
• 27:48
  So the whole idea was, you know, she's coming back from tour,
• 27:52
  she's thinking, you know, she's on top of the world.
• 27:55
  She's like having this affair and, you know, just like living
• 28:00
  in a delusion. So that was very much
• 28:03
  represented in the wardrobe from the first couple of episodes.
• 28:06
  You see where she's just like pushing this Rockstar like
• 28:11
  mentality and she's got a lot of flashy stuff, a lot of gold.
• 28:14
  And like, I put her in a lot of like don't fuck with me jackets
• 28:18
  and things like that. Like even at Cousins night she
• 28:20
  has this like really cool jacket that I was quite afraid to use.
• 28:24
  I kind of went back and forth on it because it was just this
• 28:27
  whole mentality of like, OK, this is, you know, a religious
• 28:30
  person, blah blah blah. But on the jacket, it was like,
• 28:33
  naked ladies and silver. Like, how can I can I can I do
• 28:38
  this? And Judy really was like, yeah,
• 28:40
  dude, but let's do it. And I was like, right, All
• 28:43
  right, let's do it. She's like teetering on her pop
• 28:45
  star era, you know, she's like trying to resist it, but she
• 28:48
  can't fully. Yeah, she's like leading me into
• 28:51
  the Lions and I'm like, OK, here we go.
• 28:55
  Yeah. And I think with her, I wanted
• 28:57
  to bring in something that I that I changed the season versus
• 29:02
  the seasons before is I really wanted to bring pants into it.
• 29:05
  So, um, you see her wearing a couple of pairs of pants in this
• 29:09
  season, like in the bottom left where she goes to see like the
• 29:12
  doomsday preppers. Um, I think that, you know, I
• 29:16
  wanted, you know, I want it like I wanted it to be a little bit
• 29:20
  more, I don't know, like feminist if you.
• 29:23
  I wanted her to be kind of like, you know, like stepping into her
• 29:27
  own and like taking charge and like wearing the pants, if you
• 29:29
  will. So yeah, And her wardrobe
• 29:33
  definitely represents like this rock'n'roll personality.
• 29:36
  I mean, you see her in like the scene where she's with Stephen
• 29:39
  in the very beginning and she's wearing vintage muglare, which
• 29:43
  is an incredible piece. And then we see her in like say
• 29:47
  the top over here is Alta Zara with the Gucci belt.
• 29:51
  These are things that you know, I could see her again having a
• 29:54
  rack rolled in. There are some pretty great
• 29:57
  boutiques in Charleston that they do have some of these
• 30:02
  flashier pieces. So it's like, you know, they
• 30:05
  they would have access to a few of these kind of items and you
• 30:08
  know, maybe she has somebody that's like looking online and
• 30:11
  shipping stuff to her. So Judy, you know, as we
• 30:14
  transition to the season and we see her kind of like be found
• 30:19
  out that she is cheating or whatever and BJ figures it out.
• 30:24
  I wanted to kind of show that through wardrobe that she was
• 30:28
  kind of going inward and she was becoming more like, you know,
• 30:31
  meek and embarrassed and shy. So like, that's the transition
• 30:34
  of the wardrobe, where she starts to get in a little bit
• 30:36
  more of those feminine florals, something you would see her
• 30:39
  actually wearing to like Woman's Night or to church if she wasn't
• 30:45
  like the bad bitch that she like started the season of.
• 30:49
  That's a brilliant character. I'm obsessed with her, so I want
• 30:54
  to talk about now. Each of the siblings has a
• 30:56
  partner and I love all of them, especially Keefe and BJ.
• 31:03
  So let's talk about Amber, BJ and Keith.
• 31:07
  BJ has an incredible Versace jacket, I believe, and Keith is
• 31:11
  just hilarious. I don't understand his.
• 31:14
  I don't think he understands his style, but it's so funny.
• 31:18
  Just like nothing ever. It's always fits a little too
• 31:21
  tight on him and I love it. So tell me about the partners.
• 31:26
  So BJ had a glow up this season and that was written.
• 31:29
  He sure did. And he was written, it was
• 31:31
  written in the script that he that he would have that glow up.
• 31:35
  And it was just kind of like taking it to an element of like,
• 31:39
  I wanted okay. There's not like a lot of
• 31:42
  grounding always in the show. And I think that he was one of
• 31:45
  the characters that I wanted to be kind of more grounded in
• 31:50
  reality of like Charleston, SC, the South, which it see a lot of
• 31:56
  those polos and like pleated pants that are like Brooks
• 31:59
  Brothers and things, but like the goofy, silly versions of
• 32:01
  them were like an all over squirrel pattern or like, you
• 32:04
  know, pickle balls and rackets and things like that.
• 32:09
  Right. Like, the real world exists
• 32:10
  outside the compound. Exactly, exactly, exactly.
• 32:13
  And so, like, for this outfit, yeah, this is head to toe.
• 32:17
  Versace. Versace, you know, I still think
• 32:21
  that there is moments with him that we can have a little bit of
• 32:25
  fun and that surreal is like gemstoney over the top look.
• 32:29
  So we have like the intro scene where he is like opening up to
• 32:33
  the church and he's wearing that pink blazer with that Gucci like
• 32:36
  fluffy little like pirate top and he has like his own personal
• 32:40
  accents and every earring he wears generally matches his
• 32:43
  outfits. So those that earring is
• 32:45
  changing all the time I. Didn't notice that.
• 32:48
  Yeah, I need to go back. Yeah.
• 32:50
  But it's like, I don't know why I did that to myself and my
• 32:53
  costumers, those poor things. It's just like, all right, pink,
• 32:55
  all right, green, all right, yellow.
• 32:56
  Or just like every day or like with, you know, in one day
• 33:00
  you're shooting like a bunch of episodes.
• 33:01
  So you're just like, OK, sorry, we're just hearing every so.
• 33:04
  Yeah, he loves that earring. He does, he does.
• 33:07
  And he's such a he's so great and game and he's was just so
• 33:11
  fun to work with. And his wardrobe, yeah, it was
• 33:14
  very, very over the top. But some elements of grounding
• 33:19
  that you see throughout the show, not not, not like crazy,
• 33:23
  but there is like, you know, I would say 3040% of his wardrobe
• 33:26
  was definitely like kind of based in reality of like the
• 33:28
  South. I'm from the So like men wear
• 33:31
  pastels in the South and it's like no big deal.
• 33:34
  So you're wearing pastels everywhere because literally who
• 33:37
  cares. But you know, that's like the
• 33:39
  Stampede with like the Bermuda khaki Bermuda shirts.
• 33:42
  Yeah, maybe we need to take some more style cues from BJ.
• 33:45
  Honestly. Honestly.
• 33:49
  And then how would you describe Keith's wardrobe?
• 33:52
  He is so funny to me. Keith, I would say leans into
• 33:55
  that like goth like I don't know, I mean Keith is definitely
• 34:00
  very handson. We, you know immediately hit it
• 34:04
  off and like exchanged phone numbers.
• 34:06
  So, like, it was like he would be texting me and you're like,
• 34:09
  what do you think about this? And Oh my God, this is so funny.
• 34:11
  And he, he was just so fun to work with.
• 34:13
  He's very invested and he has a lot of his own ideas.
• 34:17
  So, you know, the cropping of the shirts and things like that,
• 34:21
  That was specifically for Keith because he wanted to have like,
• 34:24
  this element. There is an element of like, you
• 34:26
  know, there is a big seenness to him.
• 34:27
  You know, we played with that a lot.
• 34:31
  Like this outfit for example, is just like even though it's like
• 34:35
  teen and parent night tshirt, those shorts are literally
• 34:41
  parachute. And I'm not saying parachute MC
• 34:43
  Hammer. Those are if you got trapped in
• 34:46
  a parachute, fell to the ground and wore it on a runway, that's
• 34:49
  what those pants are. They're like parachuty, meshy
• 34:53
  and it literally looks like you're walking around inside of
• 34:56
  a trapped parachute. So like those subtle, like
• 34:59
  things that not subtle, not so subtle things that you could do
• 35:04
  with him and add little fashion on this.
• 35:05
  Of course I brought in some Rick Owens.
• 35:08
  You know, it's like Owens is like perfect for him.
• 35:11
  So he's very like, you know, based in that like sexy goth
• 35:15
  world. And then as he goes into this
• 35:18
  when he gets kicked out of the church and he leaves, Danny
• 35:21
  really wanted him to be very stripped down and bear.
• 35:23
  So you see a transition of him where he's wearing just
• 35:27
  Carhartt, like lowly work wear clothing.
• 35:30
  And that was hard for me. It was hard for us to be empty,
• 35:35
  like, OK, like tshirt jeans and then OK, cool.
• 35:38
  Can we get back to the fun stuff now?
• 35:40
  So. Keep is the heart we live for
• 35:43
  Keith. He's so Keith.
• 35:44
  He's so funny. He's such a beautiful person.
• 35:46
  Again, he is like another like I can't say enough about these
• 35:49
  actors. I am so fortunate he is again
• 35:53
  like if you even follow him on Instagram, like he's just a just
• 35:56
  a beautiful human being in. So it was so fun working with
• 36:01
  him and like, collaborating with him on it.
• 36:04
  And then of course we have Amber Gemstone and she's just a style
• 36:08
  icon. How would say she just always
• 36:10
  looks put together? Every single time we see her and
• 36:13
  she just never misses. I would say with her costumes,
• 36:16
  yeah, she definitely is a gorgeous bombshell.
• 36:22
  And I mean, it's like it was so fun working with her as well.
• 36:26
  And this season, I wanted to kind of elevate her look and
• 36:29
  kind of lean her more into this like head of the church.
• 36:32
  Like especially because you can see now going back in the
• 36:35
  flashback episode where she came in and her storyline, she came
• 36:40
  in so early. So she would have had a lot of
• 36:43
  that like interactions with Amy Lee and like learning how to,
• 36:48
  you know, be this like beacon of the church.
• 36:52
  You don't generally know in season one and two.
• 36:54
  So having that and then again her like elevation of like
• 36:59
  becoming, you know, the head of the church with the siblings.
• 37:04
  But also there's this whole like aspect of like I wish you could
• 37:06
  just put tape on the mouth of the siblings and like them.
• 37:10
  Basically her. Yeah, I think, you know, you
• 37:13
  know, secretly she kind of just wants to like be at her and her
• 37:16
  and Jesse so or not, says he. Playing with that and like
• 37:20
  elevating her look. I wanted to bring her into like
• 37:22
  Balmain, Chanel, like a lot of those like Saint John, like
• 37:27
  Elevated, beautiful. Saint John like really has some
• 37:29
  beautiful pieces for that kind of aesthetic.
• 37:34
  So I I I added a lot of shoulder pads to her stuff to kind of
• 37:39
  give her this like very structured like don't fuck with
• 37:42
  me, I'm a bad bitch. And then you know within all
• 37:46
  that there still has to be the element of, you know, Danny
• 37:49
  really likes that she is has this like mafia like wife
• 37:55
  element to her. So there's some nods to that.
• 37:57
  There's still like a very much of A sexually sexy, like power
• 38:02
  powerhouse of a woman. So a lot of that was that.
• 38:05
  And then, you know, when I had some moments, for example like
• 38:08
  this one where she's doing the system, the the concept with
• 38:14
  this specific wardrobe is I really wanted her to kind of
• 38:16
  look a lot like Amy Lee. That's when she's going to, you
• 38:21
  know, she's presenting herself out to the world.
• 38:23
  And I think that this is when, you know, she wants to look like
• 38:26
  this, like, you know, heartfelt, beautiful, powerful woman.
• 38:32
  And I, you know, I think we did that very well with that like
• 38:35
  80s thing. And as you can tell, there's
• 38:38
  some shoulder pads. Yeah, you said it perfectly.
• 38:43
  She's just like sexy. But at the same time you don't
• 38:45
  want to fuck with her because she's probably super strapped
• 38:47
  too and we'll blow you away real quickly.
• 38:52
  So let's talk about Dr. Eli Gemstone, played by the John
• 38:56
  Goodman. Good for him.
• 38:58
  He's semi retired this season. So he's kind of giving me a
• 39:02
  little bit, you know, vacation vibes, I would say.
• 39:04
  He's a little bit more loose and just kind of hanging out, except
• 39:07
  when he's in his Interesting Pistol Group meetings, which we
• 39:11
  talked about. Those capes, they're gorgeous.
• 39:13
  So tell me about Dr. Gemstone. So yeah, thank you for noticing.
• 39:18
  You're kind of one of the first people that kind of caught that.
• 39:20
  So his the concept with Eli is that I wanted to force, like I
• 39:25
  really wanted the viewer to see that he is leaning into
• 39:27
  retirement. So, you know, we have a lot of
• 39:30
  linens, a lot of cottons, unnatural blend fabrics.
• 39:33
  I think, you know, growing up in the South, we all know that it's
• 39:37
  incredibly hot. So like you're going to see
• 39:39
  people wearing a lot more lighter fabrics.
• 39:43
  You know, with that comes its own problems because linen
• 39:47
  always wrinkles. So it's like I'm just like, you
• 39:50
  know, I'm like it's, it is like, I'm glad I did it.
• 39:54
  And I think that John is very glad we did it because he, you
• 39:58
  know, was finally in this position where he could not be
• 40:02
  melting. Right.
• 40:03
  He could wear some shirts and show some arms.
• 40:06
  Yeah, like, there's one thing that he's wearing like a three
• 40:08
  piece, like. Linen set?
• 40:12
  That's like from Banana Republic.
• 40:13
  That very much looks like something the guy from the
• 40:15
  Jurassic Park would wear. Oh my God, that's what it is.
• 40:20
  Yeah, yeah. Dr. Harmon, yeah.
• 40:23
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 40:26
  So glad we did it. Happy that it happened.
• 40:29
  But was it a challenge for me to kind of like, say?
• 40:35
  Oh God, is that a wrinkle? And even now I can see it on
• 40:39
  when I watch the show, it's not as bad and I generally think the
• 40:42
  viewers do not probably notice it, but I'm so hyper aware that
• 40:45
  I'm like, Oh my God, the wrinkles.
• 40:47
  Is there a wrinkle? But yeah, I think it was
• 40:50
  ultimately a good choice. I think it does really.
• 40:52
  I mean, I love this photo on the left.
• 40:54
  I think look at him, he looks. She looks happy, and I actually
• 40:58
  teared up during this scene. Seeing him and his sister, I was
• 41:01
  like, don't make me cry. We're not supposed to be doing
• 41:03
  that. I know.
• 41:04
  How could you do it? I feel like this season and just
• 41:08
  generally, even most of the shows with Danny, I feel like
• 41:11
  this one is there's something more, there's another layer to
• 41:15
  this season, something more like beautiful and more kind and like
• 41:19
  like family oriented that I haven't ever seen.
• 41:23
  On the show or other shows with him, that's an interesting
• 41:26
  perspective to kind of watch or watching likes you know, you're
• 41:29
  like like they love each other and I did never felt that before
• 41:32
  like I felt. You know, so yeah, there's some
• 41:35
  heart this season. There is, There is.
• 41:37
  He's getting, I mean, there always is, but it's always a
• 41:39
  little bit more buried under all that.
• 41:40
  I know the drama exactly, exactly.
• 41:45
  I just, I wasn't originally going to bring up the specific
• 41:48
  look. But Amy Lee's watermelon look, I
• 41:51
  just, I'm obsessed with it. It's just what?
• 41:53
  Where did this come from? That is a custom playsuit that I
• 41:58
  basically found this dress I wanted to do.
• 42:01
  Like, you know, it's the 4th of July.
• 42:03
  I wanted to do with what would a woman in the 4th of July in the
• 42:08
  South and what would she wear? And I just think like
• 42:10
  watermelons, like it's just like so accurate.
• 42:14
  So it was like this was a dress. And of course we had to make
• 42:18
  like 12 of these. So I was like, OK, what can we
• 42:22
  do to like put this element of the watermelon in?
• 42:25
  But then I wanted to bring in this like Romper Playsuit.
• 42:30
  So that is actually a pattern we bought on Etsy patched together
• 42:34
  with doing a lot like this is another one where it was like oh
• 42:37
  shit, we need 12 and we are like running all over trying to find
• 42:41
  the amount of fabric to make this thing work and.
• 42:45
  The pantsuit, with it being white, would be really great
• 42:48
  with the fact that it's a night thing, so you would see her
• 42:51
  glowing throughout, she's running through.
• 42:53
  And then, of course, that you know, the touch of the red
• 42:54
  cowboy. Boo.
• 42:56
  Really came together and yeah, I love this outfit.
• 43:00
  I think it's really great. It's kind of a nod to my best
• 43:02
  friend who, you know, inspired this outfit.
• 43:06
  Like it's just like she is. So when I I'd said at her like
• 43:09
  this is you, it's just so like you can't be Southern.
• 43:13
  Like, I just love it. It's one of my favorite outfits
• 43:15
  of the season, for sure. It's so good it needs to be a
• 43:18
  museum. But I'm ready to talk about my
• 43:21
  favorite costume, probably from the entire three seasons.
• 43:25
  Are you ready? You pray right now.
• 43:27
  It's baby Billy. It's baby Billy's look when he's
• 43:33
  a resident performer at Zion's Landing and his dreams of
• 43:36
  becoming a television personality are starting to show
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  through. I am obsessed with this costume.
• 43:42
  It is just perfect. Museum worthy, Emmy worthy, all
• 43:45
  the things I'm obsessed with it. So please tell me about this
• 43:48
  look. Sure, sure.
• 43:50
  So with this one, the concept was I really wanted to do pay
• 43:58
  homage to like Wayne Newton. Liberace was heavily influenced
• 44:04
  in this. And so, you know, initially when
• 44:07
  I got the script, it was like baby Billy is singing by the
• 44:10
  pool and like somebody jumps in the water but a Bing but a boom
• 44:14
  and we move on. And I was like, how can I make
• 44:18
  this insane costume and pitch it to Danny and kind of like, you
• 44:22
  know, pray for the best hill Mary, here we go.
• 44:24
  So I did some illustrations and it started as a Cape.
• 44:29
  And then I was like, I don't want to do a Cape.
• 44:31
  That's been done. I'm ready to do something
• 44:32
  different than then it was like what about a stationary shell?
• 44:37
  I think that it would be weird. It would be uncomfortable.
• 44:40
  It's like, you know, the way he would move would be like, so
• 44:44
  awkward. And I think it's a really funny
• 44:46
  thing to do with his character because he just takes himself
• 44:49
  way too seriously. And it's like, it's like
• 44:51
  bringing his ass down a few notches.
• 44:55
  And I just think it was just like, I don't know, it's
• 44:56
  beautiful. And so, you know, I have to say,
• 44:59
  you know, big shoutouts to, you know, Kelly Rose, who brought
• 45:03
  the shell to life like just, like worked.
• 45:06
  Endlessly on this thing. I still think it's like hanging
• 45:09
  on a mannequin, actually, I know for a fact it's hanging on a
• 45:11
  mannequin in the office still, just like waiting for us to come
• 45:14
  back and like we were like, can we make these into dog beds?
• 45:18
  Like, what can we do? This one needs to be in a museum
• 45:22
  somewhere. No, it's so incredible.
• 45:26
  And then, yeah, Agra Moon who like tailored it down and like.
• 45:30
  You know, dealt with all my shit where I'm like, can we?
• 45:32
  I know we're just like, can we just like add like sleeves and
• 45:35
  crystals to the sleeves and oh, we have been a little bit more
• 45:38
  and this and that and this. So it's like it's like for me, I
• 45:43
  I love this costume. It's one of my favorite costumes
• 45:45
  I've ever designed in general. And it's going to be hard to top
• 45:49
  this for myself even. It's going to be a challenge.
• 45:52
  So I can't wait. It's going to push me to the
• 45:54
  next, yeah. Well, I mean, I'm excited to see
• 45:57
  what comes from that, but it is just so good.
• 45:59
  It was to me it was giving like Botticelli, The Birth of Venus
• 46:03
  vibes a little bit, which is so funny to me, it.
• 46:06
  Was so ridiculous and it's like, he's just like, I keep seeing on
• 46:10
  the Internet that people are calling it a clamshell and I'm
• 46:12
  like. It's a oyster shell, guys.
• 46:15
  It's a oyster shell. Come on, do you guys not know
• 46:18
  the difference? I.
• 46:20
  Know I'm like, come on, he's the Pearl.
• 46:22
  Like, come on, SO. I love this costume so much.
• 46:27
  He loved it. It was like, and with the hair
• 46:30
  and the like, sunburned face and and and then just when he walks
• 46:34
  in the scene and he walks into the room and he's just like
• 46:36
  pushing it close to like, go talk to Aunt Tiffany is so
• 46:41
  stupid. And he's wearing it later
• 46:43
  without the shell, too, when Jesse comes by.
• 46:45
  So I'm like, oh, so he's wearing this for, like, all of his
• 46:48
  performances? Yes, like it's his uniform look
• 46:50
  that he has to wear and it's like, oh, and then like.
• 46:54
  It's just like weird churchy resort.
• 46:56
  It's it's just so funny. I need like my own version like
• 47:00
  where to like the Costume Designer Guild Awards or
• 47:02
  something. It is just so good.
• 47:04
  Yeah, yeah. Interlude 3 is very sweet.
• 47:09
  It has a lot of emotional storytelling and just great
• 47:12
  costume designing for the gemstones.
• 47:14
  You're seeing the Y2K panic and a change in fashion for some of
• 47:18
  them. Meanwhile, May May's family is
• 47:20
  almost kind of giving you a little bit more period.
• 47:22
  Like, they're definitely not right at that level yet.
• 47:25
  So tell me about this episode. I was really struck by it.
• 47:28
  So, yeah, so basically we were leaning into, you know what?
• 47:34
  You know, the great thing about this is going back to that
• 47:36
  initial interview with Danny where it was like, can I do the
• 47:39
  Jinkos? So as you can tell, there are
• 47:41
  Jinkos and you know the character trend.
• 47:44
  He is wearing them. And I think it was like for me,
• 47:47
  it was my era, my time like when I was in school.
• 47:50
  So I could very much like see these characters so fluidly to
• 47:55
  me because I like they like represented like certain pockets
• 47:58
  of people in my in my school. So, you know, it was very
• 48:01
  relatable. Very relatable and also very.
• 48:04
  Like fun to do in the way that, like you knew that people were
• 48:08
  going to see this and be like, what the literal hell is going
• 48:11
  on here? So like Danny, you know, it's
• 48:13
  very like Fred Durst Eminem $0.50, Ja Rule.
• 48:17
  Like it was like, you know, we had like those two, that two
• 48:21
  piece pants set with the Nautica, like like mock neck
• 48:24
  turtleneck thing that he's wearing that's like that yellow
• 48:26
  Nautica shirt. And then, you know, there's a
• 48:29
  lot of FUBU South Pole. And like that dark man like when
• 48:35
  he was wearing that like dark man like thing when he had that
• 48:37
  Foo like crack dude on, he like just jumps off the ledge and he
• 48:42
  like kicks his feet up. It's like kissing ourselves.
• 48:45
  So he was a lot of yeah not to like that like Fred Durst too
• 48:51
  cool like even the hat like was very Fred Durst.
• 48:54
  So that was his vibe. Judy is very like, you know, you
• 49:00
  know, Britney Spears very like. You know, pushing that like
• 49:04
  envelope of like heightened, heightened, heightened, like
• 49:07
  what she would see on the cover of a pop magazine.
• 49:10
  So it's like handkerchief top, you know?
• 49:13
  Which is funny, because that's kind of what she ends up doing
• 49:15
  now, later when she's gained it to her success.
• 49:19
  Exactly. It's like a nod to like that,
• 49:21
  you know, because we did shoot. This episode was like one of the
• 49:25
  first episodes that we actually started shooting.
• 49:27
  So it was like, you know, we could play with that.
• 49:29
  And then our little baby Kelvin is even Stevens.
• 49:33
  So that was a reference for him with the little puka shells and
• 49:37
  the little like, Hawaiian print shirts and stuff.
• 49:41
  So I love that. Yeah.
• 49:42
  Yeah. And Amy Lee, I think that we.
• 49:46
  Just I really wanted to elevate her like money and things like
• 49:49
  that and she's like you know into that.
• 49:51
  You know she made a bunch of money from the Y2K panic stuff.
• 49:54
  So there's like she's got some like Chanel again vintage
• 49:57
  designer pieces on and you know the the the Montgomery is.
• 50:03
  I did a film about snake handlers like years back, called
• 50:10
  them that follow, that went to Sundance, and it was very much
• 50:14
  like in that same realm where it was like Olivia Coleman and
• 50:18
  weirdly, Walton Goggins was in it.
• 50:19
  So hello. It was kind of like Walton
• 50:23
  Goggins character was very similar to Steve Zahn's
• 50:25
  character in this film. So I'd already had like that
• 50:28
  experience and that like love for that subculture.
• 50:31
  So it was like. Yeah, it was just really
• 50:34
  exciting to kind of be able to do that again.
• 50:37
  There's something beautiful about those rural, like, you
• 50:41
  know, Appalachian type people and that style and aesthetic of
• 50:45
  like adding a lot of denims and stuff that you see.
• 50:48
  And even like Steve Zahn has like this doubleheaded snake
• 50:51
  belt. And then also the finale with
• 50:54
  his outfit that I have to say that I live for.
• 50:57
  I just. Freaking love Raising Arizona,
• 51:00
  and I wanted to, like, make a nod to that with the pantyhose
• 51:05
  that, like, Nick Cage is wearing when he's running.
• 51:09
  It's the same kind of vibe. It's the same humor where it's
• 51:11
  like it's supposed to be serious but it's not.
• 51:14
  And it was definitely the concept I was going for with
• 51:17
  Steve Zahn when he robs the bank.
• 51:19
  So love that. And I just like really wanted to
• 51:22
  show that. I do that a lot with films that
• 51:24
  I like, want to show some kind of nod to, like other.
• 51:28
  It's so funny you say that too, because I was thinking I was
• 51:30
  like the panty house. I was like, man, dude, you
• 51:32
  couldn't find a ski mask. But I mean, why would he?
• 51:35
  Of course, it's perfect for his character.
• 51:37
  It's like, it's like, it's like, you know?
• 51:39
  Like it's so like you can see how goofy he is and how he's
• 51:43
  just kind of like lost and shit and he has no idea what he's
• 51:45
  doing. And and I think that the
• 51:48
  pantyhose mask is a lost art. I feel like, you know, we we're
• 51:52
  always doing like with all the horror films, you've got shit.
• 51:54
  And we did so many with the doomsday preppers, like there's
• 51:58
  so many crazy masks that we built.
• 52:01
  But this one, I just wanted to be simple and stupid and like, I
• 52:06
  don't know, are these people getting away with these
• 52:08
  pantyhose masks? Like, do you really can you
• 52:09
  really not tell who they are? I don't know.
• 52:11
  So yeah, we need to bring back the pantyhose mask.
• 52:16
  You know, here we go. Well, Christina, this is what's
• 52:21
  so much fun. And I could talk about the show
• 52:23
  forever. Unfortunately, there's no more
• 52:25
  episodes until this weekend, so I don't have anything else.
• 52:28
  But we're going to have to do a Part 2.
• 52:30
  Yeah. I would love to ask you, what
• 52:32
  has this season meant to you? Righteous gemstones.
• 52:34
  That's a huge project and you've really shone through in it.
• 52:38
  Thank you. I think that I feel like going
• 52:41
  back to feeling very fortunate that I have gotten to work with
• 52:45
  somebody who I admire and it's really beautiful when you work
• 52:49
  with somebody that. You know is so talented, so
• 52:53
  dedicated to their craft that you, I don't know, like it's
• 52:56
  like it's like you're like it's like a child like I'm so lucky
• 53:00
  and then you know I am so fortunate, so incredibly
• 53:04
  fortunate to my incredible crew who just like from the freaking
• 53:09
  beginning they were just on it and we were just super like it
• 53:13
  was a match made in heaven and you know, I.
• 53:16
  It's when everything, it's when the stars aligned.
• 53:18
  This is the project that was the stars aligning for me and I'm
• 53:22
  just so fortunate and like really, really happy.
• 53:24
  So yeah, I mean, it's like, let's go, what's next for me?
• 53:26
  I'm very excited to see like. Let me off the chain.
• 53:29
  Give me some crew and some money.
• 53:32
  Give her some money, everybody. Clearly she goes crazy with it
• 53:35
  and it's perfect. Christina Flattery.
• 53:39
  Thank you so much for joining me.
• 53:40
  This has been such a joy and I can't wait to see the rest of
• 53:43
  this show. I mean, my Sunday plans are wide
• 53:45
  open right now. Perfect.
• 53:50
  Thank you. Thank.
• 53:50
  You so much. Hi, this is Dan, audio engineer
• 54:09
  of the Blogcast here to let you know that if you wanted to
• 54:12
  support the show, you can head over to the Art of costume.com
• 54:17
  Podstore. There you can buy some awesome T
• 54:20
  public merch with the Blogcast logo.
• 54:24
  We have shirts, sweaters, coffee mugs, stickers, and of course a
• 54:29
  baby onesie. Thank you for all of your
• 54:32
  support. Spencer that.
• 54:55
  Was so good. Oh my gosh, she's amazing.
• 54:58
  I am obsessed with her. Just such a brilliant costume
• 55:01
  designer. And season three was just
• 55:03
  amazing. There was so many great
• 55:05
  costumes. Yeah, and I'm bummed that we did
• 55:09
  the interview before the season finale came out with baby
• 55:12
  Billy's Bible Bonkers. Those were Oh my.
• 55:14
  Gosh. Like, like every season has been
• 55:20
  like, incredible top tier, Yeah. Amazing costumes.
• 55:25
  But this season in particular, it was just like look after look
• 55:30
  after look after look, I think because they're trying so much
• 55:33
  harder. Yeah, in this third season,
• 55:36
  like, except for Eli. Like, he's chill as anything,
• 55:39
  like you all were talking about. Yeah, he's just like loose
• 55:43
  pants, but the siblings are just like throwing out all the stops.
• 55:47
  Just trying to earn some respect around here.
• 55:50
  They really are and it is hilarious.
• 55:55
  I actually did message Christina just right before we got on air
• 55:59
  just trying to get some more information about baby Billy's
• 56:02
  Bible Bonkers. And I just like what can you
• 56:05
  tell me about like those golden costumes.
• 56:08
  And she responded that the break dancing, Bible bonkers boys,
• 56:12
  those are all custom. She and her team like work
• 56:15
  together to make all those brilliant costumes.
• 56:18
  She sent me some good pictures too, but I can't share them.
• 56:22
  But I could share with you though.
• 56:24
  Incredible, Incredible. Oh my gosh.
• 56:27
  I loved what she was saying like that.
• 56:29
  She prefers to like shop. And I was like, yeah, that makes
• 56:33
  sense. And like, this is the perfect
• 56:35
  show for it. Especially like, if they have
• 56:38
  the money to get Dolce and Gabbana, like, yeah, absolutely
• 56:41
  go for it. But when they do, when they do
• 56:44
  make custom pieces like. The break dancing guys like the
• 56:49
  big capes for that weird thing. Pistol organization.
• 56:55
  Pistol preachers weirdness like it.
• 56:59
  It adds so much. It's brilliant.
• 57:02
  It's so funny. Oh my gosh.
• 57:04
  One of my favorite costumes is seeing BJ and like the all
• 57:08
  Versace when he's at the tennis court.
• 57:11
  It's just like, it's so elevated, but it's just so
• 57:15
  ridiculous, you know? And.
• 57:17
  It it's so funny because like, like this season they're all
• 57:20
  trying to be something they're not.
• 57:22
  And like, especially BJ, he's like trying to fit into this
• 57:25
  family. And he's actually like kind of
• 57:27
  asserting himself for the first time, which I'm like you go BJ,
• 57:32
  like you, just of all the people here, you deserve this nice
• 57:35
  life. Oh man, so much fun.
• 57:40
  But I think we should play our favorite game and figure out
• 57:44
  what some of our favorite costumes are.
• 57:46
  Absolutely. Hit it, Daniel.
• 57:50
  The one costume to rule them all.
• 57:58
  Elizabeth, what was your one costume to rule them all from,
• 58:01
  let's just say, all, all three seasons?
• 58:04
  We talked to Christine about season three, but we watched all
• 58:07
  three seasons in preparation for this episode.
• 58:09
  So what were your favorite costumes?
• 58:11
  I am so glad you said that Spencer, because my one costume
• 58:14
  to rule them all is actually from season 2.
• 58:17
  Okay. Because I just thought it was so
• 58:20
  hilarious. It is Bj's baptism romper, of
• 58:26
  course, the pink. The pink velvet romper with the
• 58:33
  lapels and the Cumberpunt and the Bundtie.
• 58:37
  And it's like, this is just like the most wild baptism I've ever
• 58:41
  seen to begin with. I've never seen anything like
• 58:44
  that. I was jealous.
• 58:45
  It makes me want to have a baptism if they're like this.
• 58:49
  It's nothing like that I like. I got baptized like.
• 58:53
  A little spontaneously because at the time I was going to a
• 58:56
  church that just like did baptisms every Wednesday.
• 59:00
  So I was like, might as well. So it was just so wild and like
• 59:05
  the way he like, tears it all. When he's having like his little
• 59:11
  fit, I'm like. Man, BJ, this is not you, buddy.
• 59:19
  I totally support this decision. It's such a great costume.
• 59:22
  I just. I love the way that feels like,
• 59:24
  you know, Judy's just kind of dressing up her little BJ.
• 59:28
  Yeah, and like this most her day is her little.
• 59:30
  Ken doll? Yeah, literally.
• 59:33
  It's just such interesting taste level.
• 59:36
  Literally. Sometimes I'm like the I'm Just
• 59:38
  Ken song was made for BJ like, oh, for Vijay.
• 59:45
  Well, my favorite costume to rule them, my one costume to
• 59:49
  rule them all was actually in season three.
• 59:52
  I love Baby Billy's. There will be a payday look he
• 59:58
  wears to Zion's landing. The blue like Birth of Venus.
• 1:00:05
  The oyster costume, because baby Billy is clearly seeing himself
• 1:00:09
  as the Pearl. Everyone needs to look at him
• 1:00:12
  and it's just so ridiculous. I love that blue.
• 1:00:15
  He's barely able to move in this thing because it's so over the
• 1:00:18
  top and it's just hilarious. And I just, I want this costume
• 1:00:23
  so bad. I've never had like a more.
• 1:00:26
  I want a cosplay as Baby Billy, like this is my Comic Con
• 1:00:29
  costume, my Halloween costume. I want this costume.
• 1:00:33
  It's so good. I want to see this, Spencer.
• 1:00:36
  Oh my gosh. I thought, like, this would be
• 1:00:38
  Billy's like ideal lifestyle. But then when he's like Bible
• 1:00:45
  bonkers, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:49
  He's never satisfied. No, he's not.
• 1:00:51
  But there's so many great costumes through all three
• 1:00:54
  seasons. I mean, we could go through
• 1:00:55
  every season and I could pick a couple, honestly.
• 1:00:58
  And like the in the flashbacks, whenever there's a flashback,
• 1:01:02
  I'm always like blown away by the costumes because they're
• 1:01:06
  just like there's. So perfectly like like, curated
• 1:01:10
  to like the time period. They're like, just like flashy
• 1:01:15
  and tacky and. And it's wonderful.
• 1:01:20
  Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, it's always such great
• 1:01:23
  flashbacks. And season three, there's like a
• 1:01:26
  2000. What was that Y2K inspiration,
• 1:01:30
  Little bit. It's just so much fun.
• 1:01:32
  And if you guys aren't watching this show, I mean, by this
• 1:01:35
  point, I assume we are because we've gone this far in a
• 1:01:37
  podcast. But yeah, watch the show.
• 1:01:39
  It just got renewed for season four.
• 1:01:41
  So hopefully after these strikes are over, we could, you know,
• 1:01:45
  everyone will get back to work. Yeah.
• 1:01:47
  So who knows when we'll see Season 4.
• 1:01:49
  But I'm just excited that there's still more because as
• 1:01:52
  much as the show is funny, there's also so much heart to
• 1:01:54
  it. And I just love like this family
• 1:01:56
  dynamic of, you know, Calvin finally becoming who he wanted
• 1:02:00
  to be and Judy like kind of being humbled a little bit and
• 1:02:05
  Jesse becoming this family man. And I just, I want to see
• 1:02:09
  everyone reconnect with Eli a little bit in the end, because
• 1:02:13
  they're so mean to him. I know.
• 1:02:15
  Oh my gosh. I'm so excited for Gideon and
• 1:02:17
  Eli's storyline next year because after that last scene I
• 1:02:22
  was like, oh, things are about to go down.
• 1:02:25
  Yeah, they definitely are a good pair and that is the righteous
• 1:02:30
  gemstones. And Elizabeth, I was so excited
• 1:02:33
  to say that that means we're moving into our favorite season
• 1:02:38
  of the year. Everybody.
• 1:02:41
  It is spooky season, yes. And for Spooky season, we are
• 1:02:45
  coming back every single week we are.
• 1:02:49
  We have a Banger episode for every week of October.
• 1:02:53
  And I mean Banger episodes. I think every film and show that
• 1:02:57
  we picked are just all topnotch and we even kind of bleed into
• 1:03:01
  November a little bit. Honestly, it we stay pretty
• 1:03:03
  spooky for a minute. Yeah, and I am even more
• 1:03:08
  excited. For the interviews we have Oh
• 1:03:12
  yeah, this spooky season. And Spencer, what interview of
• 1:03:18
  yours is kicking off spooky season?
• 1:03:22
  I'm very, very, very excited about this interview to share
• 1:03:26
  with you all because it actually means a lot to me, this
• 1:03:30
  interview because you know, we've talked about our heroes
• 1:03:34
  and costume designing these legends and we don't always get
• 1:03:37
  to talk to them. But for me, I got to talk to one
• 1:03:39
  of my costume design heroes that is costume designer Aggie
• 1:03:43
  Rogers. And she has worked on just a
• 1:03:47
  couple incredible films such as Return of the Jedi, the third
• 1:03:52
  Star Wars movie, Beetlejuice, The Color Purple Rent.
• 1:03:57
  I mean, we are talking about actual icon status.
• 1:04:00
  And she took the time to sit down with me for I think over an
• 1:04:04
  hour and we just talked about her incredible career and it was
• 1:04:08
  very moving. We talked about Pee Wee's Big
• 1:04:10
  Adventure finally, finally, which I was so excited about.
• 1:04:16
  I mean, she's worked with Francis Ford Coppola, Tim
• 1:04:18
  Burton, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas.
• 1:04:21
  She's a real deal and you're all going to fall in love with her.
• 1:04:24
  And I'm just so excited for you all to get a little insight into
• 1:04:29
  the world of Aggie Rogers. It'll be lots of fun and the
• 1:04:32
  best way to kick off Spooky season because we really get we
• 1:04:35
  really take a dive into Beetlejuice, which is the
• 1:04:38
  original intent. Like she is quite literally the
• 1:04:43
  costume designer between behind some of your favorite Halloween
• 1:04:47
  costumes. Yeah, man.
• 1:04:52
  So everybody, please join us next week for that incredible.
• 1:04:56
  Interview and if you would like to share with us your one
• 1:05:01
  costume to rule them all for righteous gemstones, you can
• 1:05:03
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