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Making Monsters Draft Series: Dillon Thieneman, Bryce Boettcher, and other Oregon Ducks · 2nd City Gridiron

• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And welcome back to another episode of Making Monsters.
• 0:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Taylor Dollward joined by John Hill Camp.
• 0:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: You recognize him, I'm sure John, we had you on last year to talk a few Josh Conorley, Derek Carman, Oregon Prospect.
• 0:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Derek Carman, I think, showed why we were talking about him very highly in the draft and his rookie season.
• 0:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Big fan of him, I was last year and I am now, but thanks again for hopping on and talking some ducks with me and a little bit of bills because you do cover the bills.
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I do think we have some overlap there that we have to discuss today too.
• 0:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah we got we got lots to talk about for sure um thanks for having me on you know run up to the draft just a what two and a half weeks left three weeks left so can't wait I'm ready for it to get here
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, loaded month for me, I have 17 podcasts being released in 23 days to 17 different schools I'll be covering in 23 days.
• 0:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a lot.
• 0:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's a little bit different than normal years, John, because the bears aren't picking in the top 10.
• 0:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we're used to kind of feel like, well, you're in the top 10.
• 1:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So here's the five or six prospects that you're probably looking at this year.
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's like 14 that I feel like the bears may take.
• 1:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: with that first round pick.
• 1:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what makes this a little bit more interesting than the previous years.
• 1:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I do want to start with the the bills side of this because I think this leads us into the conversation of one of these prospects.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so obviously one of the moves and for agency this year that the bears did make with signing in Camelowis was just a two-year deal.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't know if a bear's fans know a ton about Camelowis as I kind of was going back very versatile guy.
• 1:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's one thing.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He played a lot of different places in the six years in
• 1:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Kim Lewis, um, I kind of see him as like a high floor type of addition to a defensive back room, right?
• 1:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's not going to do anything extraordinarily well.
• 1:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a smaller player.
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like five nine one eighty five in that neighborhood.
• 1:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he's tough, and he's gritty, and he's versatile, he's good in coverage, he fills in run defense well.
• 2:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he was acting as the primary backup last season to nickel, Terren Johnson, who's no longer with the bills either.
• 2:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they have a big hold to fill.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he filled in really well.
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when he was asked to come in, he was a serviceable backup.
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: He, you know, isn't a liability in coverage, he can help out in run defense.
• 2:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's just kind of a Swiss army knife for your defensive back room that can do a lot of things and I think that's why he's stuck in Buffalo as long as he did.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, six years with the bills as an undrafted free agent out of local university of Buffalo in New York.
• 2:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: stuck around because he's a character guy, you know, a high work ethic type of player never gets in any sort of trouble as great for the defensive back room and he's capable of, you know, filling in in a pinch and a bunch of different roles.
• 2:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what I think the bear is probably biggest interest was.
• 3:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's number one, the good human side of things because that's something Ryan Paul's has leaned into heavily where it's a, you know, it's kind of affected other picks, not taking a jail and Carter because of possibility of other, you know, off the field or maybe some locker room issues.
• 3:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so Ryan Paul's has been very vocal about that.
• 3:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And some people love it.
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some people hate it and Chicago when it comes to really leaning into that and building the good.
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: human along with the good football player, but I do think the versatility is probably one of the bigger bigger marks of why they brought him in here when you talk about Denis Allen and how he runs his defenses and uses his defensive backs and so many different ways.
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: You talk about the importance of
• 3:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: the nipple corner and the safety playing together and the Dennis Allen defense is really important.
• 3:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's why you didn't really get to see with Kyler Gordon missing the majority of the year this year.
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't really get to see that Kyler Gordon-Jacuan briskered defense until the postseason and that's when you're like, oh, this is what this was supposed to look like all year.
• 3:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then they go, you know, they get a CJ Gardner Johnson when all these injuries are happening, which there's some versatility there.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so it kind of made sense.
• 4:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: But when it comes to Cameloo, it's a working with Dennis Allen and now Harris, so we'll be interesting to see exactly how they use him because he has played nickel, he's played in the slot.
• 4:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, that's one of the bigger things he's played.
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Corner, he's played safety, he's kind of been all over the field when it comes to that.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Where do you think he fits best in the MFL?
• 4:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that he's most naturally a nickel.
• 4:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that's what his most natural fit is because he does identify really well like in run scheme, fills, run lanes very, very well, comes downhill to do that.
• 4:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: While also being able to have the shift in his to stick with some slot type wide receivers and things like that.
• 4:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that he's most naturally a nickel, but you would see him
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: play high safety quite a bit or they would spin him out you know and into a higher higher coverage and he's got the speed to carry down the field as well so like I said I really think the versatility is probably the thing that the bears were looking for right and inexpensive veteran versatile defensive back that can fill in as needed really around their defense.
• 5:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: which they needed a lot of last year.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully that doesn't roll over into this year, but a period of time, Jaylin missed the majority of the year, Kyler missed the majority of the year.
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tyreek could just work putting on the field, so there was a lot of need for defensive back.
• 5:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: They did, they blitzed him quite a bit too, I believe last year.
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's a big part of the bill's defenses, having that nickel be able to get after the past rush or help in run coverage, help in past coverage.
• 5:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a very important role in the bill's defense.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Terren Johnson, he's been, you know, like the cornerstone of that defense of backsroom for,
• 5:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: losing track of how many years it's been now.
• 5:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's sad to see him go.
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he was such an important element to that defense that when he goes down to injuries, you need a backup that can step in and continue to do the type of things that he was doing and Kim was able to do that.
• 6:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: He played like 38% of snaps last year.
• 6:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he was on the field quite a bit for Buffalo, not just a backup that occasionally saw the field.
• 6:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he got meaningful snaps in for sure.
• 6:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought
• 6:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I saw one of the stats I did read about him is his, uh, the coverage grade did get better this last year.
• 6:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I guess in previous years, there was a little bit of struggle there, but he only allowed a 58.5 completion percentage when he was on the field this year comparing that to CJ Gardner Johnson, who was at a 66.7 completion percentage allowed, that is, you know, that's an uptake when it comes to that coverage area of the field.
• 6:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that was a liability for the bear's last year.
• 6:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: The defense had, they took the ball away a lot and did nothing else.
• 6:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: really good.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there was a lot of areas that you had to fix.
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: But kind of rolling with that, that safety position is what we're going to be looking at.
• 6:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I want to talk about telling you, Theta Menopnex, obviously safety out of Oregon.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he is, I'm very high on Oregon this year by the way, John.
• 6:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that there have so many guys returning and you talk about it in addition to the quarterback and Dante more.
• 7:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this is going to be a really fun year for the ducks.
• 7:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even with losing a safety in a garden, some of these guys, it does feel like they kind of have the recipe and some of these guys more veterans now than maybe we saw last year for some of these crucial pieces, but talking about the sentiment, I don't know where he's going to be drafted and this is where the conversation comes up because I've seen
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: some where it's more in the you talk about top 15.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen some where he's dropped down to the bears of 25.
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen one where people have him trading up to draft him at like 17 18.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see where he ends up landing but I do think that this is a need.
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: especially for the future.
• 7:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: For the bears, I just mentioned you with the Luz Kevin Byron and Jepwomb riskier two of your safeties that have been really holding things down here recently and Kevin Byron had in the same year last year too.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it really sucks to kind of lose a player like that and the better inside of things.
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: So talk a little bit about Theatamin.
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want to start with the Oregon defense.
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So start there how that defense kind of ran and worked and where he you fit in it.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can gush about Dylan Thineman for an hour straight if you let me.
• 8:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love him so much.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he started off as playing career at Purdue.
• 8:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's where he started.
• 8:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was a freshman, all-American freshman, big-ten player of the year.
• 8:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So mid and impact right away on the field.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: transfers over to Oregon this last year and immediately went in as they're locked in number one safety.
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oregon's defense likes to play more of like a split safety type defense.
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not like a single high type of role, but at Purdue he played single high.
• 8:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's shown the ability to
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: play a variety of different alignments from the safety position, which is something that I think NFL teams are going to love.
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, well, we can plug in play in no matter what scheme we're running, which is terrific for his draft value.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to go high.
• 9:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you fall into the bill's lap, by the way, and we don't take him, I'm going to scrape like I will be so upset if that happens.
• 9:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: But
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that what you saw a lot out of him was a split safety defense so responsible for, you know, half the defense of field.
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he has elite closing speed.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: He could play down close to the line of scrimmage.
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: He can muck it up in the run game.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: what you see time and time again when you put on the tape of the Oregon defenses, Dylan Thineman is the one that is identifying what's going on on the offense and getting other people lined up.
• 9:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he knows what's happening.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: His film study is great.
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: looks for the trends.
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: He sees what's going on.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: The game against Penn State early in the year was like a marquee matchup.
• 9:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was Penn State's home wide out game where they have everyone where the, you know, there's the night game out of the lights, everyone in the white shirts and the white towels crazy environment up there Penn State.
• 9:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: To end that game, he and his film study, he knew exactly the route that they were going to run and he picked off Drew Aller to seal again.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: game, I go walk off in overtime, interception to end it.
• 10:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was so electric.
• 10:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was literally running around my house.
• 10:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: But Thineman, it's just that high IQ to go with elite athleticism, which shows up on the film and it shows up in his place out, but then he goes to the combine and puts a 43740.
• 10:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think a lot of people were like, oh, okay.
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is real.
• 10:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got that kind of speed.
• 10:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: and you love that out of a safety because of that closing speed, whether it's to a ball carrier down low or to read and react to, you know, a throw on the boundary to be able to have that closing speed to get there and disrupt the past.
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, he's a do everything safety.
• 10:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love him.
• 10:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, I think if he's able to get to the bears, I think he's
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: is a really strong addition to that defensive back field, which has lapsed at times.
• 11:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lovely freeze frame on my face.
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just beautiful.
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: There it is.
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that defense is secondary.
• 11:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that has been a point of need for Chicago for a little bit.
• 11:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that he raises the floor and raises the ceiling of what that defense can do when im massively.
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, two things on that.
• 11:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Number one, I remember that game very vividly.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: We do our picks every week on our on helmets and heels.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I picked Oregon to win that game.
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a James Franklin haters.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I pretty much would just pick your James fans all the time, especially in big games.
• 11:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the other two on the show picked Penn State.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I was very excited when the game ended that way.
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was really fun.
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think that was just a little one play that encapsulated the type of player that theme is.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you could go back and you could say if you can't watch hours of film, go watch this game, especially.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: the end of that game and it will kind of show you what he does and you talk about that versatility which we mentioned now in Cameloo as we mentioned I said earlier that's what Dennis Allen likes is he likes a lot of guys on the defense that can do a multitude of things he does it with the defensive line too most of the defensive line then he brings in like a shemard turner last year played every single spot on the defensive line and so it's kind of what he does and so when you're talking about him
• 12:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: He has he has that versatility and I like you explaining the how he plays everywhere, but I wanted to ask you specifically when you're talking about safeties.
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: What makes the safety be able to play all of those different roles and different alignments and stuff like that.
• 12:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know it obviously the mental side is a big thing, but it has to be physical attributes I'm guessing to.
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, speed to me is really critical, but it's play speed.
• 12:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just can you run a fast 40.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think safety is need to be able to play fast.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like trust their eyes, trust with their seeing and be able to react to it with conviction, right?
• 12:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because
• 12:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have to be able to identify what's happening in front of you.
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're a stepper too late, allowing the opposing offensive line to get into their, you know, their run lanes, for instance, and to be able to open things up, the played busts.
• 13:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think a safety being able to be versatile and play close to the line is skirmish.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: You also have to have that linebacker level of identification of what's happening in front of you and be trust in the instincts to react quickly to it.
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: To me, that's one of Thineman's, I think, biggest strengths.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not at a position hardly ever.
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he, because of his film's study, because of how much he trusts himself and the work that he's put in, he reacts lightning quick.
• 13:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you'll see him shoot from a high place to like far side of the offensive line and cut off a run lane and it's like gorgeous.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just so fun to see when he does that.
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, do you, would you prefer seeing him at free or strong in the NFL?
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a really hard question because I think you can do both so incredibly well.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I see it working best with him being in a defense where the defensive coordinator likes to mix and match their looks and being able to spin guys up into different coverages and and and disguise what they're going to do so that the quarterback can't just be like okay well he's my free safety he's my strong safety there's my nickel.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's where I'm going with ball.
• 14:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Theneman gives you the ability to to mask what his responsibility is going to be on any given play because of his IQ because of his physicality and because of his speed and he has a leap ball skills, too.
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's like a wide receiver going after the ball, what it's in the air.
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't want him to be pigeonholed in one specific safety position at the NFL because I think that's a disservice to his upside into what a defense can do if I had to pick.
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: probably free.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that I would probably put him more in that book at slightly, just because he is so good as a ball hawk and has the closing speed to get to both sidelines from a single high position if he had to.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's where I would give the edge slightly, but I think that he is someone who can do everything.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is exciting to hear, and that's why I think a lot of people have him in that top 15 because of just, I mean, impact right away that I think he could make on a defense is one of the things you're looking out when you're drafting somebody in the first round, but the versatility and being able to have the speed, you know, the coverage side, all of those things that you want your safety to be able to do.
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that it would be really interesting to see where he lied.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would love if he ended up falling a little bit to the bears, but I just don't honestly see if it's happening.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk about a couple of the other Oregon prospects.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to talk about Kenyan Sadik, Tynand, only because the bears just used a top-tempoic with Colston Lovelin last year.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, highly doubt that is where they're going.
• 16:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I am a big fan of him.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's probably the best and pretty, a pretty big gap for me of the Titans in this class.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I do want to talk about the guard out of Oregon, a manual pregnant.
• 16:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the bears go a guard this high either.
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: They did lose their center of predominant retired suddenly this off season.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Left tackle Aussie Jupileau gets hurt and the postseason doesn't look like he's going to be back this year.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there are questions on the line, just not so much at guard.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: But unless you're looking at it saying, okay, Jo Tune's been in the league a long time and he's probably going to retire sooner rather than later.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so do you want to have that backup left guard or guard to come in and have somebody behind him?
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of the question.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see this high, but chat a little bit about a manual right now.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And more snow just kind of that the ducks often supply last year and how they kind of work together too.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the duck's offense align over the last two seasons has been a really good unit that has also sent multiple players off to the NFL year over year.
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So every year you're coming in with transfer portal guys mixing in with offense alignment that have already been established and that they recruited and things like that.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you're having to kind of put together a new unit and be cohesive.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: rather quickly.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, you will pregnant on, I thought did a wonderful job, you know, they, they got them in the trees to portal from USC, and anytime we can take someone from USC, it makes me happy.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he started 15 games at right guard for the ducks last season in a loud zero sex.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he I think is a very good guard prospect.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see him as a round one guy.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's going to happen.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that he probably goes on day two.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he lost the day three if if it were up to me, but I'm also partially biased and I acknowledge that.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also not Troy Franklin should have gone on the first round and we see how that worked out.
• 17:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm biased to my Oregon boys a little bit, but a manual pregnon is is such a strong anchored right guard.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really good at the point of attack.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: He played left guard when he was at USC.
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the move to right guard was something that was an interesting change for him.
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's nice that he has the ability to play both because he has the experience playing both.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that votes well for him in terms of his draft prospects, but I remember there being a quote last fall from him about how like the move to write guard, he feels like stronger at the point of attack.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think is what he said on the right side that he did on the left.
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that he kind of found his natural home as as a write guard.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that he's someone that can probably be a day one starter at the NFL, if you needed him to.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that he's much of a developed mental type prospect.
• 18:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that he could probably carve out a role in training camp and fight for starting reps. Yeah, on the PFF's big board, they have him as a 36th over also looking like that, you know, that's in that range is kind of what you're saying to.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, like I said, I don't know if I don't think the bears go guard that high, but you never know with this regime and what Ben Johnson wants, what Ben Johnson wants seems to be what Ryan Paul does so well, that's true and they're and he, you know, those are two trenches type of guys, right, like, you know that, um,
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I'm sorry, polls, I'm just trying to blake on the GM's name.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, polls being a former offensive lineman, Ben Johnson with his time and Detroit.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: They built that whole thing from the trenches out.
• 19:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe they're looking at it and going, that's critical for Caleb Williams and for this offense is that we need to fix the line first and foremost.
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if they, if they like him, I don't think that they're going to be shy about taking him.
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that we've seen that enough from Ryan polls, where he's willing to go a little bit against consensus to get his guys.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think like you said,
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Ben Johnson's calling a lot of the shots and if he likes him, if he likes him for the scheme, then I could see it for sure.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we saw it happen at Detroit when they, you know, you dropped Canaisu all up at the top and then you're Gibbs after, yeah, there you go.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have two of the other civil brothers in Chicago, but yeah, he's very, it doesn't always go.
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: It goes against the green a lot of times, but it's obviously worked a lot in his favor too, and so it will be interesting to see
• 20:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: The crazy part is I guess more of the unfortunate part is the bear's line was good last year.
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: They went from Caleb Williams getting sex 68 times to 24.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you lose two pieces of that that got that got you there with the Drew Dalman and Aussie Trillis.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's kind of the unfortunate.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: They did it, but then it kind of got shot back down to Earth a little bit in that world.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I want to hear a few of your others.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Are there any of the other organ prospects going into this draft?
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: No matter what, if it's like a deeper pick, a developmental guy or however you want to look at it, that you feel like maybe people aren't talking about enough?
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love line-backer Bryce Betcher.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love him so much.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you'll hear, you know how when you're watching a game and it's like the commentators have their notes and like the talking points of what they're gonna say about a player whenever his name comes up.
• 21:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, did you know that Ryan Fitzgerald went to Harvard?
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we know that Ryan Fitzgerald went to Harvard.
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who was the tight end for a while that they said that he played basketball?
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well Jimmy Graham was one of them to play basketball college.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You hear that line all the time.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: The one that it's going to be for Bryce Betcher is going to be two things.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was an open try out at University of Oregon, local kid from Eugene, and he played baseball.
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was a draft prospect as a centerfielder.
• 21:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he played baseball for University of Oregon as well.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a two-sport athlete.
• 21:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to hear that probably whenever his name gets called during the draft as long as it's not on day three where they're kind of doing them in bulk.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it will be day three that he gets drafted.
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: But whenever it comes up, you're going to hear the story about how he was an open try out walk on an Oregon and how he was a two sport athlete and got drafted as a center fielder.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: You'll hear that for sure.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But Bryce Betcher, a very prototypical middle linebacker type bill that like 61233.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe like a little bit short but stout in physical.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's athletic.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's powerful.
• 22:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's smart.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, to be the middle linebacker in that day and landing defense, you have to be intelligent and you have to be able to help against the run and the past.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that Bryce Betcher
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he went from being, uh, uh, nobody a non recruited type player to being a starting middle linebacker for one of the best teams in college football.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, yeah, it's a deeper, it's a deeper pick.
• 22:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not perfect.
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: He has his flaws.
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he gets washed out a little bit too often.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes when it comes to blocking, um,
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But in terms of like plays with the heart of the lion type of guy, Bryce Betcher is that.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is just like big personality, big heart type guy that's going to, you know, work his ass off to turn every step.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the linebacker room in Chicago will be interesting.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: They lose tremendous men's obviously what part ways with tremendous men's.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: TJ Edwards still there.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: They replaced that with the Dev and Bush out of from the Browns obviously who was drafted by the Steelers.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of had his research in this last year and Cleveland, but it will be interesting to see how much of that was because you have a Miles Garrett in a lot of past rush to help in front of you because the bears don't quite have that on the roster.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: At this point, we'll see if that changes throughout the draft.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: The most interesting in the Denmark of Jackson, they resigned last year after coming in and filling in for a two main quite a bit through injuries, no a soul.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also, one of the linebackers on the roster too, who had flashes early on, who playing really well, especially like, goal line red zone, I don't know.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, I was like, we always kind of joke, we're like, okay, we have two suels, but can we like, two for one and get, can they hate all sorts of things?
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you'd make that trade all day.
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's fantastic.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's so much fun to watch.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so I heard they may be switching him his position again this year too.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see what the lines end up doing with that.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so I wanted to ask you two before I let you go, we talked about the Oregon prospects a lot, but you covered a lot of the draft and different guys.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: In the range of that 25 where the bears are, is there a guy that just makes sense to you?
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that, I don't know, maybe you don't know the needs deepest edge defensive tackle, probably two of the main ones a lot of people are looking at.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, Edge and defensive tackle in that ballpark, I would probably see what's their draft pick, what number they 25.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: 25, okay.
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think Kildrick Falk is a name for you guys to watch for sure.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love him a lot for Buffalo too.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that he's probably high on Buffalo's board.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's very athletic, he's well-rounded.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not just like a peer-speed type past pressure, but he does, I think, have good bend and good athleticism and explosiveness.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he's gonna help out and run as well.
• 24:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's not one of those defense events that's only like a third-down specialist.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's someone that can, can I think, hold up on all three downs, you know, in a matter of the situations.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think, Kildrick Falk,
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: he's kind of interesting because he gets a little bit of a knock and I'm not really sure why there's like some people that just don't like his game very much and I think it's because he's not like super elite when it comes to his bend but he is
• 25:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: super young.
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's only 20 years old.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to be 21 until September.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got really great.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's got great length.
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's got good bend.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's really strong against the run.
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got powerful hands.
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he had a slight down here in 25 compared to his stats in 24.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that that's contributing to some of the questions in his draft profile.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: But to be 20 years old and post a massive 9.1.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that he's a great late round one type of guy.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think if you're guys are looking past or I should like, Thineman goes off the board.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, I'm sure you've heard it.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone has the biggest fit for Thineman is Minnesota.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think that that's the scary one.
• 26:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a couple of people who's just joking.
• 26:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I always blow is drooling for sure.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Over Thineman, I mean, he's exactly what he wants to go replace Harrison Smith.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it makes too much sense.
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: It really does.
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know this is a bear's podcast, but that's a way too much.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, if you guys jumped him to 17, I think that would be hilarious.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that would just be so sweet.
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but if the demons off the board and you guys turn your attention to passage, I think that the fall is probably on the short list of guys to be considered.
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, flocks one, I've done on the episodes I've done so far.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Usually around this time of year is when I start leaning, who I really want.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's usually like, second week of April where I kind of hang on to somebody, and I'm like, okay, this is where I want this to go.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there's been that the year they drafted Darnell Wright, I was in that, like, I was, I want Darnell Wright.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody else was in this world of Jalen Carter.
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, we've got to protect the quarterback.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm tired of having like 66 every year, like, we've got to fix this.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now Darnell Wright probably going to get paid very soon.
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right tackles on the NFL right now.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it is a painting out, but I right now folk is one of the ones and it caches how.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, how do you feel about caches?
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's the other one that I like.
• 27:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: How super interesting and that's a name that I hear all the time for Buffalo as well.
• 27:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Caches how he's not as well rounded as Calzard Falk is.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think what gets people excited is his speed and his been like he's a race car type of edge.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: quite a bit smaller than Kendrick Falk, Falco was listed at just under six, six, two, 76, cash is how six, two, two, 53.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So as a smaller edge that's a speed russia, he's got really short arms that for me is like a big red flag because if he can't beat,
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: NFL offense attackles with his speed around the edge, he's going to have a hard time.
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that he's going to be pretty limited in what he can do because of that.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And listen, I could be wrong and I root for success of all of these guys.
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Gashas, how I'll go prove me wrong.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would love for you to do it.
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but he only had a 3.1% stop rate, which was among like the lowest in the class.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's looking over here because I have all these notes on all these guys as bills people.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've got all of this, like, as a bill's specific database.
• 28:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: These are names that I'm looking at for Buffalo.
• 28:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of people that like Cash is how I think there's a lot that don't.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the short arms and the lack of ability in the run.
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see that as being a Ryan Pulse pick.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't think that he fits the prototype of what they're trying to build on that defense a lot.
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's the arms are a thing and I think people joke about it because there's another guy's when we talk about it like a Cooper BB that was his whole thing was like short arms.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then so, but I've heard the one with Rubin Bane obviously Rubin Bane is one of the ones that we're talking about at the top that has short arms and like the shortest arms we've seen and I remember what they said.
• 29:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And but I had one of the guys on our show on home.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's in heels, he's a linebacker and he's like, look, people kind of mock it sometimes, but it's serious.
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you go through and, you know, they had this whole list in the last time that any and Russia that was successful in the NFL that had this short of arms that I wanted, like, how it happened since like the 60s or something like that crazy.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it was like, it is a thing.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so it is something you have to pay attention to because you're your point when you're looking at these offensive line-up when you have that reach and you're just getting beat in that way.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: hard.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's impossible to get around those guys.
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a very real thing.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a reason why teams have these thresholds on players.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's a lot of teams that straight up will not draft an offensive tackle if his arms are under 33 inches.
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, hard stop, red line, he's off our board.
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not gonna happen.
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's somewhere, it's like, yeah, that's the prototype, and maybe we're willing to bend on it because he does X, Y, and Z great.
• 30:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's very much a consideration,
• 30:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: for these teams that have all of these different benchmarks.
• 30:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's teams that probably won't draft a corner if he's under five, 10.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's, you know, if an offensive lineman has 33 and charms a lot of times, they just automatically assumed that he's going to kick inside and play guard because that reach is so important for the tackles.
• 30:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the opposite side of that is those past pressures.
• 30:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you have an offensive lineman with 34, 35 inch arms and cash is how was that like, was it like 31 in a quarter?
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you real quick, cash is how it will earn your banks.
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: 30 in a quarter to a great, like I knew it was short, but I forgot it was that short.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, 30 in a quarter, in terms of wingspan, you've got offensive linemen with six to eight to 10 inches of wingspan advantage on them.
• 30:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a problem.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, that's a big, big task.
• 31:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, and there's nothing you can do with that.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like bulk up in your arms,
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: But listen, the thing about it like it's it's a massive credit to him that he's even being talked about as a first round past Russia with arm like that short It tells you that he has other things than his bag and it's because of his athleticism because of his elite bend like all of those things is why he's still being Considered he has the production profile That ability to turn the corner at matters and like
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: he's probably had to learn this is my only path to the quarterback like most of the time is to be able to turn that corner so he got really good at it and credit to him for doing that.
• 31:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I personally think he should be a day to pick because of it.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that it's definitely a limiting factor to his upside in the NFL, but credit to him for
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: being able to put the tape out there and make teams still consider them in round one.
• 31:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious if he goes, if he's one of those guys that everyone's talking about in the 20s and he falls to like 45, that wouldn't really surprise me, it would be why.
• 32:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: If he falls, it's because of the armline 30 and a quarter is.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's very much.
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, John, final one before I let you go.
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bill's got our beloved DJ more in a trade.
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's going to second round pick.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bill's good.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think exactly what Josh Allen needs for that offense.
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we saw it even in the playoff this year, if you just feel like you have that deep threat guy, how much different doesn't look for the bills.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's everything.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even even just bringing in Brandon Cook's this last season and what he did for that offense, just that speed element, there was the whole catch no catch in the playoff's thing.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: but you see having that deep threat how important it is, but it's not just a deep threat, it's not just, this is a speed guy on the outside.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: DJ Moore is literally going back to Joe Brady's Carolina days together.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's so familiar with DJ Moore, the routes that he likes to run, what works best for him.
• 33:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Joe Brady's got to be salivating.
• 33:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I got my guy back like this is my dude and now he's back and like everything about how Joe Brady wants to run an offense is predicated on a wider receiver exactly like DJ more the speed to operate deep, but the ability underneath to create separation.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: the speed after the catch, the ability to turn short gains into first downs.
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everything about it, I think that DJ Moore is going to get absolutely peppered with targets by Josh Allen, like they're going to be best friends.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Instantly, DJ Moore is, you know, great character guy, great personality.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we saw the Stefan Diggs era in Buffalo, how
• 33:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Effective that was digs isn't a big wide receiver.
• 33:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not you know some prototypical ex-type guy and Josh was able to to make that work I think that we're gonna see a lot of the same with DJ Moore.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have incredibly lofty Expectations of what that production looks like this season in that offense.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that he's gonna I think that he's gonna transform what that passing attack looks like
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's going to be really, really fun to watch in the AFC in general when they some of the those top teams and Denver adding water and then obviously you guys adding to do more can't city chiefs go get a running back, which they've needed for a while to so they see is all looking at each other like okay we see what's going on here it's time to.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: up the game a little bit or it's you're not going to be able to keep up.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can't city not making the playoffs last year.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously Denver will see they now have their quarterback got knocked out.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's there because I think with a little bit of an unfinished story.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if I could tell Bill's fans anything about DJ Moore, he's phenomenal.
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously you go back and just watch those final two green bay games or the bears beat.
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Green bay and the postseason.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then.
• 34:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: on December 20th, he got both catches, obviously, and those games ended up ultimately winning.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's that guy, that clutch guy that we really need him, and the moment he's that guy that will do it.
• 34:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Throw the ball down to DJ and he's going to be down there somewhere, turn it and we'll catch the ball.
• 35:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: People will say he's pouting.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: People will say like there's sometimes in press conferences that various fans will lose their mind like why see always look so bad why does he never look happy like this and that it's just kind of DJ he's very chill like he's very kind of monotone a lot of times that's just who he is don't take it don't read too much into it because then you'll see him laughing in the locker room with everyone and having a good time it's just when he's at the podium even
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Try and figure out why he's looking certain ways.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't do it.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just DJ more.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: He'll look like he's honestly on the sidelines sometimes and get up and catch touchdown for 40 yards.
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's just what he does.
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got that AJ Brown and him.
• 35:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, reading a book on the sidelines.
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be fascinating because I don't I don't think a lot of people outside of some very tuned in bills fans know this, but you know Buffalo is getting a new stadium this year with DJ more coming into that the post game press conferences are going to be viewable by the public.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: where they're hosting the post game press conferences is basically that they're like animals in a zoo.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's like glass pains.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's glass pains.
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It might even be open air now that I'm remembering correctly, but there's like a full-on con course.
• 36:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: like right where the media is going to be after the game like I can't wait to see those clips.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also kind of terrified for the players like their better be glass like don't let drunk football fans like chuck a beer at a guy during a presser when he had a bad day.
• 36:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Game when he touched down like yeah it would not go well.
• 36:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: We see the people like hitting the boards from the outset.
• 36:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it's like a hockey game in there that's battling the glass be crazy.
• 36:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, DJ, I love him.
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that he's awesome.
• 36:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was exactly the move that Brandon being desperately needed to pull off.
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it makes a lot of sense for Chicago, too.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, obviously, you guys are sad to see DJ Go.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you got Roma Dunesay and Luther Bird.
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you have your young, wide receiver core that you're trying to build around pluscoles in love and running back room is a little TBD, become an on guy I love.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's insane.
• 37:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I loved him at Rutgers such a physical runner and when he went there, I was like, that's, that's going to be, that's going to be a fit for sure.
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, um,
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exciting for Chicago.
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did you see his helmet decal always falling off this last year?
• 37:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like he just runs into a brick wall every time you let just the wall.
• 37:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pop on the first time it happened, I was like his decal is just falling off his helmet.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like the guy that put it on probably didn't do a very good job.
• 37:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then it happened multiple times throughout the season.
• 37:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I saw an interview with him recently.
• 37:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like two, three, four times a game.
• 37:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'd have to go get my decal, put back on just because I was like getting hit so hard or hitting so hard.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, all right.
• 37:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's mental.
• 37:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's just a hammer.
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love him.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a little bit of that like Isaiah Pacheco anger in him when he runs.
• 37:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm happy for Chicago.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's exciting to see it.
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: It turning around under Ben Johnson and Caleb taking those next steps and all the exciting pieces on the offense.
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm with you, I think that the conversation mostly turns to the defense now in terms of making this a team that can can take the next step.
• 38:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hoping for Dylan Thineman to you guys.
• 38:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be a sick fit.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would love it.
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But either way, I think that there's going to be a lot of defense of players available in the range that the bears are taking that have a potential to be impact players.
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they allowed like 35 points a game on the road last year that cannot happen.
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It cannot happen again.
• 38:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's all the way.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, John, I can't be way longer than I told you I was going to, but thank you, it's always a blast talking to you.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure we'll probably end up talking to the soft season at some point again.
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you reaching out.
• 38:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you having me on.
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: If the enemy does go to the Bears, bring me back on after and the party will sell it.
• 38:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sounds good.
• 38:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, thanks very much.
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Have a good one.