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Episode 296: Ghost In The Machine (SG-A 5.05) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Speaker 1: Yo, unconventional start here, Maddie.
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Speaker 2: But we've got to make I'm not an announcement, it's
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Speaker 2: just make a little notes.
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Speaker 1: I'm stepping down. I need to tare No, we're coming
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Speaker 1: to you from the future.
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Speaker 2: I guess that would be that surprise. Every podcast is
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Speaker 2: coming to you from the past. Yeah, but we don't know, no,
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Speaker 2: but this time we do know. Look, this is the
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Speaker 2: episode Ghost in the Machine. If you are listening live
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Speaker 2: as these are released, it has been an extra week
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Speaker 2: since we've been able to upload a podcast, because us.
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Speaker 1: Not upload every week, never sure.
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Speaker 2: But this one, this one was like gonna be ready
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Speaker 2: to go mere days after our last one. And then
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Speaker 2: I realized that I didn't have the actual file right
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Speaker 2: hardly enough. The episode we're about to talk about is
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Speaker 2: ghost in the Machine, and there was some kind of
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Speaker 2: ghost in the machine.
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Speaker 3: We as revenge.
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Speaker 2: We we recorded in this little system next to me,
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Speaker 2: and then I exp to another server and then I
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Speaker 2: usually grab that file and I tell my audio guy
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Speaker 2: here at work to you know, polish up the audio
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Speaker 2: a little bit, clean it up those levels, fix up
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Speaker 2: those levels and whatnot, you know, because there's only so
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Speaker 2: much I can do on the desk and I sit
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Speaker 2: here with levels like this, so actually thought one of
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Speaker 2: my headphones will be no, no, And I get him
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Speaker 2: to fix it up for me, and then he puts
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Speaker 2: it in another place for me. And also we record
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Speaker 2: this on the cameras, which have their own separate audio feed.
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Speaker 1: There are very advanced.
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Speaker 2: There are so many different ways that this audio could
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Speaker 2: be recorded. I at home did not have the file,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, ah, it must still be on the
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Speaker 2: server at work. It's not the server it must still be,
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Speaker 2: and where I record it before I export it, it's
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Speaker 2: not there either.
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Speaker 1: Oh, maybe I've deleted it out of there to save
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Speaker 1: some space.
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Speaker 2: We've deleted it out of the server, but our audio
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Speaker 2: guy has put it into the one drive that he
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Speaker 2: that's where it's not there.
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Speaker 4: Plus you have two portable hard drives yep. You have
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Speaker 4: one that you edit from, and you have another backup one.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I've saved it, maybe I've said not forgotten. It's
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Speaker 2: not on either of those, the backup or the or
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Speaker 2: the regular one, and.
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Speaker 4: One of them is obviously not working properly. So you've
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Speaker 4: got to like hold it sideways and stick your tongue out.
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Speaker 4: It's a really weird thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they look left and cough sort of thing, and
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Speaker 2: you know you got to.
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Speaker 1: Say that, you know your safety word to get it
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Speaker 1: the game.
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Speaker 4: It's like taking advice from your wife. It's up a
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Speaker 4: little bit to to to the left.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hang on, now, that explains why I can't a
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Speaker 1: little more pressure. Yeah, and it wasn't there.
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Speaker 2: And it turned out that though that was one of
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Speaker 2: those days where the cameras didn't work so we didn't
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Speaker 2: use them. I didn't remember that at the time, so
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Speaker 2: the episode quite literally just did not exist, and I
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Speaker 2: had to message you and say, I think we're going
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Speaker 2: to have to redo Ghost.
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Speaker 1: The time ever, yeah, I've never done it before first time.
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Speaker 2: And then look, a couple of episodes ago, Brendan was
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Speaker 2: was in talking Continuum and I said, hey, considering this
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Speaker 2: is a weird adjacent episode, you've already said your piece.
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Speaker 2: You've already done this episode and have to come back in.
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Speaker 2: This is my f up. Brennan can come in and
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Speaker 2: maybe he can do this. I'm sure he's fine.
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Speaker 4: Just absolutely salacious.
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Speaker 1: The idea that I didn't realize at the time.
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Speaker 4: The final episode involving Weir, even though it's not my
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Speaker 4: beloved Tory the final episode involving Weir. You think I
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Speaker 4: would let you and Brendan handle that.
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Speaker 2: I didn't think your audacity. I didn't think about that
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Speaker 2: at the time as a phrase.
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Speaker 4: That Jacob taught me, the Lion, the Witch and the
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Speaker 4: audacity of this bitch. To think that I would let
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Speaker 4: you guys have the final say on.
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Speaker 1: I'm very sorry.
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Speaker 2: I didn't mean to imply that, but that was where
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Speaker 2: it got to with that suggestion, all while I was
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Speaker 2: trying to help you not have to come and redo it,
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Speaker 2: but through another camera issue at work that cost me
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Speaker 2: footage of a great interview that I did with one
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Speaker 2: of our favorite authors, Matthew Riley.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, check out our discord. There's been a lot of
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Speaker 3: chatter about mat.
4:00
Speaker 4: Someone asked me on there about you know, any books
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Speaker 4: that I read and stuff like that, because there's the
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Speaker 4: whole ars high pitch section, so.
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Speaker 1: I can I can confirm it.
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Speaker 2: To check out his new book, The Detective, which is
4:10
Speaker 2: hopefully available now in all markets, although I know that
4:14
Speaker 2: unlike movies and TV like that, you can release one
4:16
Speaker 2: in you know, Australia, America and like you know, the
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Speaker 2: beginning of October, it might not hit the UK until January.
4:21
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense, but anyway, that's how they
4:24
Speaker 2: rolled it out. To check out the detective when and
4:25
Speaker 2: where you can. But I then figured out that there
4:28
Speaker 2: is a there is another far deeper version of the
4:31
Speaker 2: audio which is coming from inside the room. So our
4:36
Speaker 2: podcast is as it was recorded on the day. The
4:40
Speaker 2: quality is just nowhere near.
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Speaker 1: As good audio quality.
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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the banter is top.
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Speaker 2: Top note, arguably as good as it's ever been, but
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Speaker 2: the audio quality is a little bit tennier. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 2: a little bit scratchy, a little bit grainier, but it
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Speaker 2: is how it was recorded on the day. We didn't
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Speaker 2: have to redo anything, but we apologize. You're just gonna
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Speaker 2: have to everyone.
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Speaker 4: Just just just think back to the dark times of
5:02
Speaker 4: COVID and remember how you had to lower your expectations
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Speaker 4: of what we provided in terms of audio quality and consistency. Ye,
5:11
Speaker 4: just as it's better than COVID, it's better than it's
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Speaker 4: better it sounded, it's better sound COVID.
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Speaker 2: Was Like, I think that the the the peaks of
5:19
Speaker 2: COVID were better than what we're about to provide, but
5:21
Speaker 2: the lows of COVID were worse than what we're about
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Speaker 2: to provide, because you know, depending on which week we
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Speaker 2: were recording, sometimes you were the best, Brennan was the worst.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes Brennan was great.
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Speaker 3: I was the worst.
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Speaker 1: So as it is when we're in the studio anyway,
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Speaker 1: of course.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So anyway, that's what this is. It's a
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Speaker 2: it's a long intro to say that we're very sorry
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Speaker 2: about the equality, but we didn't want to have to
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Speaker 2: redo it and talk about the same episode again.
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Speaker 1: And you know, either of you know, I like to
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Speaker 1: remember things.
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Speaker 4: I like to think it's it's the ghost of Elizabeth
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Speaker 4: Weir punishing you for all those disgusting things you.
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Speaker 1: Said about in her name.
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Speaker 4: I'm now saying she's unattractive. Whoa all those things? Hey,
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Speaker 4: I actually said, now turn your mic down.
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Speaker 3: That's it.
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Speaker 1: I'll turn your mic.
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Speaker 2: I said, after seeing her in Sullivan's Crossing that old
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Speaker 2: lady Weir, which I think she was made.
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Speaker 1: You know, i'd put her in the camp.
6:13
Speaker 2: But Helen Mirren of of Lovely Senior Ladies, even though
6:18
Speaker 2: even though Tory Higginson is not, but she's obviously playing
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Speaker 2: older in that show.
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Speaker 3: I love that.
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Speaker 4: You think that's a compliment given that Helen Mirren is
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Speaker 4: probably thirty years older than her.
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I'm just saying people that are it, Like,
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Speaker 2: is it fair to say.
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Speaker 1: Out of my age range? Helen Mirren?
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Speaker 3: Hate?
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Speaker 4: No, one's out of your age range.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're comparing. No, that's Un're comparing, say a fifty
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Speaker 1: year old lady to an eighty year old lady. You
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Speaker 1: know you know what I mean. I know what you mean. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
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Speaker 4: That's like, that's like me. I I was gonna say,
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Speaker 4: that's like me putting you in the same brackers Bell Well,
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Speaker 4: you and Harrison Ford both very attractive men. But I'm like,
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Speaker 4: that is that that is a compliment you. No matter
6:56
Speaker 4: what age Harrison Ford is, you will take that. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: and it would be like that's yeah, I need to
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Speaker 4: find someone less less that you idolize.
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Speaker 3: You and Patrick Stewart know that doesn't work. O. God,
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Speaker 3: it might even be better.
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Speaker 2: He's ageless, he is has looked the same as long
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Speaker 2: as I've ever been watching him. Anyway, We'll come back
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Speaker 2: to that and Maddie will try and find a way
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Speaker 2: to offend me.
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Speaker 1: In order to prove the point.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, but here.
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Speaker 1: It is ghost and I wish we were clever enough.
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Speaker 2: To go, wait, let's screw up the audio and let's
7:23
Speaker 2: delay the upload of the podcast machine. It just happens
7:27
Speaker 2: to be the greatest coincidence perhaps in this entire podcast.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of like window opportunity when we like
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Speaker 4: replayed the opening, Yeah, well you did.
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Speaker 1: I had no idea I did it.
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Speaker 2: And after even three re listening to the podcast, and
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Speaker 2: christ did I do it a fourth time?
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Speaker 3: So us reuse material.
7:43
Speaker 2: Never getting into Gate Episode two hundred and ninety six
8:03
Speaker 2: Dock and Stargate Atlantis.
8:05
Speaker 3: Mitch and Maddie here with you. Yeah, okay, buddy, you're right.
8:12
Speaker 3: Is it just because it's just you and me?
8:13
Speaker 2: I know we had our American buddies last week. They'll
8:15
Speaker 2: be back next week hopefully.
8:17
Speaker 3: So is it just like a white a room? Why?
8:20
Speaker 3: What's wrong? What's what's going on? This episode makes me?
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Speaker 3: This one gets you.
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Speaker 2: This makes me so I feel like I feel like
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Speaker 2: I know what And I was not prepared for it either.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I do you know what.
8:30
Speaker 3: I feel like.
8:30
Speaker 4: He's I think the reason I've been able to keep
8:32
Speaker 4: so many spoilers from you is because there's no one
8:35
Speaker 4: else in the room. So It's like when I feel like,
8:37
Speaker 4: when Brendon's here, I'm you want to attended to talk
8:40
Speaker 4: about and then kind of talking code with him, and
8:43
Speaker 4: then I say sixty, you say fail. But when other
8:48
Speaker 4: people are in the room, Yeah, well fail it not,
8:51
Speaker 4: you know, fail at talking in code and actually giving him.
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Speaker 2: Away as opposed to recently, it's nothing but a success.
8:57
Speaker 2: Some of the shit that's happened in the last six,
8:59
Speaker 2: seven eight episode it's my goodness has caught me off
9:02
Speaker 2: just but then you've also said that you forgot about
9:04
Speaker 2: it entirely.
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Speaker 3: Some of those things.
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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, Well, we are talking about episode five
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Speaker 2: of season five.
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Speaker 3: Ghost in the Machine.
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Speaker 2: Let's rip into the old synopsis and then we'll see
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Speaker 2: what we thought and a serious entity causes crippling havoc
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Speaker 2: within the city's computer systems.
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Speaker 3: That's about it. The old synopsis. Really, that is wow.
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Speaker 4: Even they were going, well, I suppose you don't want
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Speaker 4: to put in there that you know, Weir comes back
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Speaker 4: and then no Tory, so you know, and then I
9:37
Speaker 4: guess from the production the point of view, they're like, well,
9:39
Speaker 4: we didn't really want her anyway, so we're not We're
9:42
Speaker 4: not going to plug the fact that her character is
9:43
Speaker 4: coming back the little Brave Choice guys, Brave Choice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it definitely caught me off guard, like that
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Speaker 2: moment when you know they're talking the machine, they say
10:03
Speaker 2: who are you?
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Speaker 3: What are you? And it says the matrix coat Elizabeth,
10:07
Speaker 3: where I was like, oh shit, like I don't know, like.
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Speaker 2: It just hit me because you know, we went through
10:15
Speaker 2: it at the end of what last season sometime and
10:17
Speaker 2: you said, hey, that's.
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Speaker 4: Mid season finale. Really all my sins remembered when we
10:25
Speaker 4: destroyed the replicated planet and then was it that long ago?
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Speaker 4: And then yeah, and then Tory appears in the Replicator
10:31
Speaker 4: ship and she's in the cool leather version of the
10:33
Speaker 4: jacket and she's like, now without people looking over our shoulder,
10:36
Speaker 4: it's finally time to begin.
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Speaker 2: Yeah and wow, okay, yeah, And as I listened to
10:41
Speaker 2: that podcast recently, that feels like that just happens so well.
10:44
Speaker 2: Either way, you had said, oh, by the way, that's
10:47
Speaker 2: the last time we ever see it. You said, the
10:48
Speaker 2: Elizabeth weird story may or may not continue, but we
10:53
Speaker 2: never see Tory Higginson again. And to be honest, I
10:57
Speaker 2: haven't thought about that little like asterix for a long time.
11:01
Speaker 2: So it's still this came as a massive surprise to me,
11:05
Speaker 2: and I don't know, just like with like obviously her
11:08
Speaker 2: name pops up and like they had to sort of
11:12
Speaker 2: modulate her voice while she was still.
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Speaker 3: In the computer.
11:15
Speaker 2: And then when she's recounting how things led from that
11:19
Speaker 2: moment where we last saw Tory Higginson to now, and
11:22
Speaker 2: it was a lot of POV shots, yes, and so
11:24
Speaker 2: we would the camera would be her eyes looking around
11:26
Speaker 2: and I thought they're going to a lot of trouble
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Speaker 2: to not actually feature Tory Higginson. That it makes me
11:33
Speaker 2: wonder why they even bothered to do this in the
11:36
Speaker 2: first place. And Okay, it goes on and they're really
11:39
Speaker 2: just trying to help her and can they trust her
11:42
Speaker 2: and clearly they well it turns out they couldn't, but
11:44
Speaker 2: they kind of still could, which it just would have
11:47
Speaker 2: went all over the place. And then even when she
11:49
Speaker 2: first popped up, so that was the same actress that
11:51
Speaker 2: played fran right.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was basically the way they did it.
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Speaker 4: They went there was a line Rodney Hadry said, oh yeah,
11:58
Speaker 4: because she was in a hurry. Yeah, she just used
12:01
Speaker 4: the copy and paste. The last thing he did, which
12:04
Speaker 4: was friend.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and because we only saw her, you know once,
12:07
Speaker 2: like you know, half half an episode. I had forgotten
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Speaker 2: about that, but so she like popped out and I
12:12
Speaker 2: was like, oh.
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Speaker 3: God, damn young, we got some game.
12:15
Speaker 4: Yeah. And her first line is the same as her
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Speaker 4: like last line from Things, where she's hello.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I can, I guess.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you make it, Elizabeth Weir.
12:27
Speaker 2: And then you as an audience member are like, at
12:30
Speaker 2: least some of the members on the team a little
12:32
Speaker 2: bit torn clearly more McKay like Shepherd was sort of
12:37
Speaker 2: like nah with a strong leash, Like Ronan was like
12:42
Speaker 2: absolutely not, ye, no part of it. She may as
12:45
Speaker 2: well have been a race. He had no time for
12:47
Speaker 2: her whatsoever. And then Shepherd was a little bit you know,
12:52
Speaker 2: keep your arm's length, whereas Rodney was like, well if
12:54
Speaker 2: it wasn't her, then why wasah blah blah.
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Speaker 4: So I think and what I liked is there was
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Speaker 4: that moment they touched on and I think even fran
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Speaker 4: Slash we are kind of in a way almost through
13:03
Speaker 4: it back in Rodney's face when she reference at the end.
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Speaker 4: But it's like Rodney still feels guilty, he still feels responsible.
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Speaker 4: He's the one that activated her nanites again. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 4: and caused this hole, this whole thing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So I did like the fact that Rodney was, you know,
13:17
Speaker 4: trying to like get her back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I thought, I'm smart here, I'm so smart
13:22
Speaker 2: because when she was still in the computer and she's like, oh, Rodney,
13:27
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's so great to hear your voice,
13:29
Speaker 2: and is who's there with you?
13:31
Speaker 3: Is John Shepherd there?
13:33
Speaker 2: And I'm like, not writing that down, write there, then
13:35
Speaker 2: you see John under of underline Shepherd.
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Speaker 3: And she never called him back, like if she ever
13:39
Speaker 3: called him, you know, the classes john.
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Speaker 2: John, if she ever did that, if she you know,
13:45
Speaker 2: we're very clearly just like you know that she would
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Speaker 2: she would only say John. It would never be Shepherd,
13:50
Speaker 2: which I guess even as she was never a military
13:53
Speaker 2: person would pointed that out when he said.
13:54
Speaker 3: That Carta was the best commanding officer that he's ever had.
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Speaker 2: But that's a military standpoint, as you you accurately pointed
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Speaker 2: out that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought, no, I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't think I trust her because she never called
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Speaker 2: him John. If she was talking to Rodney, it would
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Speaker 2: never be is John Shepherd there, It would be is
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Speaker 2: Colonel Shepherd there, or it would be is John there
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Speaker 2: is John Shepherd. I was just like, something fishy, something's
14:18
Speaker 2: going on here.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, she was talking to someone else, if she was
14:21
Speaker 4: talking to Chuck, or she was talking to maybe even
14:24
Speaker 4: cold Well or something like that. But it's like if
14:25
Speaker 4: you're talking to McKay, she'd say he's John mat Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I agree.
14:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, But if I can go back to the start
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Speaker 2: because this, I know, we get a lot of great
14:32
Speaker 2: establishing shots in this show, whether it's of Atlantis, you know,
14:36
Speaker 2: whether we're in space and the puddle jumper flies by,
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Speaker 2: I don't think we've ever got many where we're on
14:42
Speaker 2: a planet and it's got its own ring system, you know.
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Speaker 2: So like just that shot where we're just like we
14:46
Speaker 2: see these beautiful rings going across the planet, which we
14:50
Speaker 2: never get to we're just hearing stories about, and I'm like,
14:53
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's that's actually really nice. That's a
14:55
Speaker 2: point of difference. We never see that, which seems so strange,
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Speaker 2: like every planet roughly looks because they're shooting at the
15:01
Speaker 2: same location, but even on a visual effects point of view,
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Speaker 2: a CGI point of view, they don't ever really change it.
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Speaker 3: Up too much.
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Speaker 2: So I really like that, and then there was part
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Speaker 2: of me as they were heading towards the gate, and
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Speaker 2: because there was a ring system, I found myself asking,
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Speaker 2: I have to write it down. As I'm writing it down,
15:20
Speaker 2: it got cleared up, but I'm writing it. Oh, the
15:22
Speaker 2: gates have stabilizers in them like the space gates, because
15:26
Speaker 2: I thought, surely, yeah, okay, it's orbiting a planet, but
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Speaker 2: at some point or another, it's gonna drift at least
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Speaker 2: a little bit.
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Speaker 3: And if this drifted into.
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Speaker 2: The ring, I don't know what that ring is made
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Speaker 2: up of, what type of it could be rock ice,
15:41
Speaker 2: you know, God knows what it's formed out of, but
15:43
Speaker 2: surely that's gonna, if not do damage to it, it's
15:46
Speaker 2: gonna like knock it out of its way. And then literally,
15:49
Speaker 2: as I'm writing these down, obviously the ship gets a
15:52
Speaker 2: little bit shot to hell. The ghosts in the machine
15:55
Speaker 2: and were starts messing stuff around and they bump into
15:58
Speaker 2: the gate.
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Speaker 3: It sends it sort of being and.
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Speaker 2: Spiraling and then all of a sudden, yeah, and just
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Speaker 2: completely realigns it and then the gas stabilizes stop before
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Speaker 2: it cuts to black for the credits, and it's like that,
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Speaker 2: it's back in fact a perfect orbit now, so I
16:13
Speaker 2: really like that touch.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and in the tribute they said, that's actually the
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Speaker 4: first time you see it in the show, which I
16:20
Speaker 4: always forget because I guess in my brain I always
16:22
Speaker 4: think of back when Carter blew up the star it's
16:24
Speaker 4: g one and we launched the stargate out of the
16:27
Speaker 4: out of the Hattack Bay or whatever, and it had
16:29
Speaker 4: the little the little rockets on it to get it
16:31
Speaker 4: closer to the sun.
16:32
Speaker 3: So yeah, to me, it's kind of like, I don't
16:36
Speaker 3: click on to go.
16:37
Speaker 4: I don't think, oh, this is the first time, but
16:39
Speaker 4: it is the first time we've seen it in Atlanta,
16:40
Speaker 4: so we've seen the game do that apparently. Also, if
16:43
Speaker 4: you look closely, it's only got eight chevrons instead.
16:45
Speaker 2: Of how was that not just like a file they
16:49
Speaker 2: just clicked folder and just drop into Yeah that's a.
16:52
Speaker 3: Bit odd, but hey, look you know it's it's ancient stuff.
16:55
Speaker 3: We don't know what they're on. Yeah exactly, So that's fine,
16:59
Speaker 3: will allow it.
17:00
Speaker 2: But just like even again start of the episode, so
17:03
Speaker 2: we know things are going to get okay, and even
17:05
Speaker 2: if this is just the episode, but the idea of
17:07
Speaker 2: them just like spinning out of control like this, Yeah,
17:12
Speaker 2: that's some scary shit, Like I think we forget.
17:14
Speaker 3: About the Oh maybe we do. I don't know, I
17:17
Speaker 3: feel like I do.
17:18
Speaker 2: I take it for granted that they just they have
17:20
Speaker 2: the technology, they always know what they're doing. But the
17:22
Speaker 2: idea that they could be spinning out of control, like
17:24
Speaker 2: they said, they had no way of hooking up the
17:26
Speaker 2: DHD to dial back to Atlanta's to say, send through
17:29
Speaker 2: another puttle jumper to to bring us back in and
17:32
Speaker 2: tell us back through what this is potentially very very
17:38
Speaker 2: frightening them just to spin off for the next day
17:40
Speaker 2: until they get checked on, or two days until they
17:42
Speaker 2: get checked.
17:43
Speaker 3: On, and then it gets even worse.
17:44
Speaker 4: And they say, because they lost a bit of momentum
17:46
Speaker 4: by hitting the gate. Oh yeah, then then they start
17:49
Speaker 4: getting pulled in by gravity and they're going to crash
17:51
Speaker 4: into the planet.
17:51
Speaker 3: Is they don't get engines back? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
17:54
Speaker 3: it's going to burn up. And it's like, oh, now.
17:56
Speaker 2: We're back to basics, back to like basic human late
17:59
Speaker 2: nineteen hundred's, you know, sort of space technology of having
18:02
Speaker 2: to worry about burning up.
18:03
Speaker 3: Where isn't this you know.
18:04
Speaker 2: They pop out of space, they just go down to
18:05
Speaker 2: the surface. It's nothing. It's absolutely nothing to this show.
18:09
Speaker 2: And then yeah, like Ghosts of the Machine, obviously when
18:12
Speaker 2: everything shits itself, I'm thinking, Okay, well there's something I
18:17
Speaker 2: just I did not see it, nothing coming this way,
18:20
Speaker 2: and like why would you? Even when they're explaining it,
18:22
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh wow, we've got to We've got to
18:24
Speaker 2: accept like six or seven different steps, or be introduced
18:27
Speaker 2: to six or seven steps then accept them for this
18:29
Speaker 2: to actually be be a thing you saying, And I
18:32
Speaker 2: know we're kind of cutting into it early. You're saying
18:34
Speaker 2: this is sad is because I mean without even getting
18:37
Speaker 2: to that sort of final shot or final scene, like
18:40
Speaker 2: this is it's technically like I know she's she's been
18:43
Speaker 2: through a lot so far, but this is like the
18:46
Speaker 2: last remnant of og Weir, right, Like we've had the copy,
18:50
Speaker 2: we're we've had he Even when she did come back
18:53
Speaker 2: and she was part replicated, it was still her, just
18:55
Speaker 2: with some you know, augmented add ons. But this was
19:00
Speaker 2: og So like, even though we've kind of said goodbye
19:02
Speaker 2: to her in different forms before, it wasn't.
19:05
Speaker 3: Until yeah, like that final shot and I was like, oh,
19:09
Speaker 3: oh shit.
19:09
Speaker 2: And then we go back to the gate room and
19:10
Speaker 2: they're like really sad, even Rodney saying, well, I guess
19:13
Speaker 2: now we can Yeah, now it was her, And I
19:15
Speaker 2: was like, man.
19:17
Speaker 4: Like makes me sad and it makes me angry that
19:19
Speaker 4: that's that's how Elizabeth Wiir's character.
19:21
Speaker 3: But she's done.
19:22
Speaker 2: That's it, Yeah, because it for the show you were saying,
19:24
Speaker 2: you know, you're like, well, the Elizabeth Weird story.
19:28
Speaker 3: May or may not continue.
19:29
Speaker 2: And again I didn't sit there waiting for every episode
19:31
Speaker 2: to start going is this where she's hinted.
19:33
Speaker 3: At or something?
19:34
Speaker 2: But as she comes back and she takes on the
19:36
Speaker 2: form of Frian, I'm they're going, oh wow, okay, so
19:41
Speaker 2: this is how you know, I always just speculated nothing
19:43
Speaker 2: it will ever happen or might not ever happen, or whatever.
19:46
Speaker 2: The idea of like if they ever brought these characters back,
19:48
Speaker 2: and if they ever brought these shows back, and you know,
19:51
Speaker 2: even talking off here, I think when when Brendan was
19:54
Speaker 2: around a couple of podcasts Ago and I think We're
19:56
Speaker 2: the car Park, we were just talking about the idea
19:58
Speaker 2: of you know, when Amazon, if we they do it.
20:00
Speaker 3: It was like, oh, I mean it's a discussion for
20:03
Speaker 3: a different day.
20:05
Speaker 2: How badly do we want them to bring it back,
20:07
Speaker 2: because you know, we've seen them play around with some
20:08
Speaker 2: ip in the past, whether they've put a lot of
20:10
Speaker 2: money into it, some they haven't. We do we want
20:13
Speaker 2: to ruin a good thing, Like we don't want to
20:15
Speaker 2: say this show will never come back. But I mean,
20:17
Speaker 2: you're a massive trekky, but I don't think anything of
20:22
Speaker 2: New Trek or Recent Trek is you know you'd almost
20:25
Speaker 2: have preferred it to stay in the past. Yeah, like
20:27
Speaker 2: a movie front you've liked like hints of television.
20:31
Speaker 4: Four episodes between like Picard season three and Strange New
20:35
Speaker 4: World season one and two, there's like three or four
20:38
Speaker 4: really good episodes.
20:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've had your fun like with moments of
20:42
Speaker 2: of Below Decks, Right, But it's like, well, that's an
20:43
Speaker 2: animated front Lower Dexter Below Decks.
20:45
Speaker 3: Not talk about the reality show.
20:47
Speaker 2: Lower X to get stuck on that. That's a that's
20:49
Speaker 2: a good like that's animated. So it's it's it's still different.
20:52
Speaker 2: It might be canon to certain things, but it's still different. Yeah,
20:54
Speaker 2: and you like nothing of Discovery.
20:55
Speaker 4: It is a little bit too goofy for me, and
20:58
Speaker 4: it has you know, its re revisited some of my
21:03
Speaker 4: favorite characters and hasn't done them justice, say, animated versions.
21:07
Speaker 3: So I mean that's that's paramount.
21:09
Speaker 4: It's not it's not just wait wait, wait till in
21:11
Speaker 4: two weeks time we can really talk about the crossover there.
21:14
Speaker 3: Oh Jesus.
21:16
Speaker 2: But you know the idea that if they did bring
21:18
Speaker 2: it back, I'm like, oh, well, that's how you know,
21:21
Speaker 2: a Weir can continue on. We're gonna have the chicken
21:23
Speaker 2: plate friend, We're gonna have to come up with some
21:25
Speaker 2: type of like term it out a dark fate reason
21:27
Speaker 2: as to why this, you know, synthetic replicator body of
21:31
Speaker 2: Fran all of a sudden has aged fifteen years.
21:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we could just recast Fran, you know what
21:36
Speaker 3: I mean? Possibly, Yeah.
21:37
Speaker 4: Apparently in the comics or something like that, or some
21:40
Speaker 4: of the books that I guess it depends whether you
21:44
Speaker 4: want to consider them canon or not. Apparently we Are
21:47
Speaker 4: does truly ascend with the help of a real ancient
21:51
Speaker 4: and then regains her human form body and he's able
21:55
Speaker 4: to like help out the like kind of stuff.
21:57
Speaker 2: So like what in the final moments before her replicator body.
22:01
Speaker 4: No, no, at some point later on, so at some
22:03
Speaker 4: point after this episode, a real ancient ascended ancients yeah,
22:09
Speaker 4: you know, grabs her replicator body or whatever, yeah, and
22:12
Speaker 4: helps her actually truly ascend.
22:14
Speaker 2: Right, So I get because that's that's what else I
22:17
Speaker 2: was thinking, like this, Okay, it's sad. They're they're they're
22:20
Speaker 2: replicator bodies.
22:21
Speaker 3: Are in space. Now they're going to freeze up.
22:23
Speaker 2: And we've seen that with God what right, and he
22:27
Speaker 2: was sort of left in orbit right yeah.
22:28
Speaker 3: And then we went and picked him up later on. Yeah,
22:30
Speaker 3: and they can bounce straight back. Yeah.
22:33
Speaker 2: So it's sad thinking, oh, this is her, this she's dead.
22:35
Speaker 2: But like that's a space gate, so yeah, it's near
22:39
Speaker 2: enough to a planet, yes, so she might be like
22:43
Speaker 2: it might be flowing again. Maybe it's always pointing away
22:45
Speaker 2: from the planet the space gate, so like once the
22:47
Speaker 2: momentum of going through the gate, they're just going to
22:49
Speaker 2: float off into nothingness.
22:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, but in the same way we picked up in
22:54
Speaker 4: the And I think the whole point for the writing
22:56
Speaker 4: team here was they if I would gone into a
23:00
Speaker 4: season six, just here's the opportunity that they could go
23:03
Speaker 4: and find a reason to go and pick up Fran Yeah,
23:06
Speaker 4: and do it.
23:06
Speaker 2: They need to, I guess it's why. I mean, what
23:08
Speaker 2: it hits you, but why hit me? Because I, yeah,
23:11
Speaker 2: I watched this for the first time knowing that this
23:13
Speaker 2: show ends in like fifteen episodes and we don't get
23:18
Speaker 2: that chance.
23:19
Speaker 3: So this is that, Like, this is it. This is
23:21
Speaker 3: the episode that Brendan loves because it's the end of Were.
23:24
Speaker 4: But like, well, it's interesting you bring up Weir because
23:27
Speaker 4: if I can, sorry bring up Brendan about Were, because
23:30
Speaker 4: I believe I want give you some more context onto
23:33
Speaker 4: what actually happens sort of behind the scenes and all
23:35
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff around around this episode. But I
23:39
Speaker 4: believe one time it's I'm not gonna Socials when I
23:42
Speaker 4: had that little post it note that said Brendan's going
23:46
Speaker 4: to go in hard on Weir. Yeah, so to quote
23:49
Speaker 4: Brendan when it comes to what I'm about to.
23:51
Speaker 3: Tell you, it's and here we go.
23:58
Speaker 4: This is why. This is one of the reasons why
23:59
Speaker 4: I think I love Tory Higginson so much. And you
24:03
Speaker 4: know what, we might not get another chance to do it.
24:05
Speaker 4: So let's just see if I can see don't remember
24:08
Speaker 4: how to do this? We in the piano boys.
24:13
Speaker 3: Oh around the fire. It's time for another reading with.
24:19
Speaker 4: High Pitch Transcribed from an interview.
24:22
Speaker 3: Good, hang on, Graham, look at this look you have,
24:24
Speaker 3: aged man. Ha ha ha. You look like Tory Higginson
24:28
Speaker 3: season one when you said you weren't going to shave
24:30
Speaker 3: until the next time you came in. I didn't think
24:31
Speaker 3: you would mean it. You look horrible, old sir.
24:34
Speaker 2: Wow, God, give that manager Lette, give them a pair
24:36
Speaker 2: of sharances, and then have yourself a shame.
24:38
Speaker 4: Look at those sad tapers in that chandelier. They are
24:42
Speaker 4: We need to get in some fresh tapers.
24:43
Speaker 3: The tail jacket still looks amazing.
24:45
Speaker 4: So incredible, incredibly press Town transcribed from the interview with
24:49
Speaker 4: Tory Higginson to the end of Starget Atlantis Unnecessary Evil
24:52
Speaker 4: audio drama CD from Big Finish, released in May two
24:54
Speaker 4: thousand and eight. The interviewer says, do you miss her
24:57
Speaker 4: as a character now that you haven't played her for
24:59
Speaker 4: a while. Is she someone you think about or is
25:01
Speaker 4: it just another role.
25:02
Speaker 3: That you've moved on from. Tory replies, no, I definitely
25:05
Speaker 3: think about her.
25:06
Speaker 4: I mean, and I think, especially because this year it's
25:08
Speaker 4: been so strange. I haven't known if I'm coming back
25:11
Speaker 4: or not.
25:12
Speaker 3: This is two thousand and eight.
25:13
Speaker 4: When season five came out, there's been no clarity as
25:16
Speaker 4: far as where her story goes, so that's been hard
25:19
Speaker 4: to put to rest.
25:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, she crosses my mind a lot.
25:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I wish her well and for all I know,
25:24
Speaker 4: she'll be back again next year with a redhead actress.
25:26
Speaker 3: Playing her, because she started as a Bond interviewer.
25:30
Speaker 4: Have you heard any more about whether you're going to
25:32
Speaker 4: be asked back? Toy replies, honestly, Well, actually, I'll just
25:37
Speaker 4: come in the open, come out in the open. Now
25:39
Speaker 4: I think I can say it. I'm not coming back.
25:42
Speaker 4: They did come to me and ask me to come back.
25:44
Speaker 3: This year eating for this episode, but.
25:47
Speaker 4: It was very unclear as to what it was going
25:50
Speaker 4: to be, what they're going to ask you to do,
25:53
Speaker 4: and it was unclear if it was going to be
25:56
Speaker 4: tidying up of her or if it was going to continue.
25:59
Speaker 3: To be vague is she here? Is she not here?
26:02
Speaker 4: And so that mixed with other contractual things, I chose
26:05
Speaker 4: not to do it, And it was sort of tough
26:08
Speaker 4: because I felt a sense of responsibility and mostly to
26:11
Speaker 4: be honest towards the fans. I wanted to give them
26:13
Speaker 4: a sense of closure, and I felt that I was
26:15
Speaker 4: sort of being betraying by saying no to it, but
26:17
Speaker 4: I didn't feel it was going to be closure. I
26:20
Speaker 4: wasn't convinced it was gonna be it was gonna tidy up.
26:24
Speaker 4: So I felt, well, if they're just gonna continue this
26:26
Speaker 4: sort of vague dragging it on every year, and I
26:28
Speaker 4: wanted clarity, and I thought, at the end of the day, however,
26:30
Speaker 4: much of the fans might be disappointed and not have
26:33
Speaker 4: it do it for another episode. I think they would
26:36
Speaker 4: appreciate my reasons why, I hope. So, so she turned
26:40
Speaker 4: him down. She went, Wellsie, thank you, Gary, sorry, it's
26:48
Speaker 4: been a while, thank you Graham.
26:50
Speaker 3: Thank you well done, pay out and that naturally. Yeah,
26:53
Speaker 3: so I kind of like that. She kind of gave
26:57
Speaker 3: him the middle finger and went nuts.
26:59
Speaker 4: So they had to kind of scramble and come up
27:01
Speaker 4: with the fran idea for this episode. And then, yeah,
27:05
Speaker 4: I think that's why. I don't know that the episode
27:08
Speaker 4: originally intended to end with her floating in space, but
27:13
Speaker 4: they kind of did it so that in case they,
27:15
Speaker 4: you know, were able to bring her back. But to me,
27:18
Speaker 4: it's just another nail in the coffin of the lameness
27:20
Speaker 4: of season five. You know, so I'm kind of like
27:24
Speaker 4: sub shit to all the writers and producers that didn't
27:26
Speaker 4: get any work next year. Yeah, because yeah, they couldn't.
27:30
Speaker 4: They couldn't treat their actors with enough respect.
27:33
Speaker 2: And I wonder, like, I have no doubt that you know,
27:37
Speaker 2: a fan brings it up to this one thing, an interview,
27:40
Speaker 2: Are you coming back? What's moving on? But like, you know,
27:42
Speaker 2: a year on, two years on, and she's at some
27:45
Speaker 2: con or something and someone says, oh, so, you know
27:48
Speaker 2: the last time we saw Weir, she was a in
27:50
Speaker 2: a replicated body and then she got thrown into out
27:54
Speaker 2: of a space gate and you were floating off into
27:57
Speaker 2: nothingness and you got frozen, seemingly dead. What are you
28:00
Speaker 2: think about that? And she'd be like, what's that now?
28:02
Speaker 2: Like she's probably not tuning in to watch it, right
28:05
Speaker 2: and just know what happened to the characters, so like
28:07
Speaker 2: to find that out probably live, and then having to
28:10
Speaker 2: sort of put a smile on her face, going oh wow,
28:12
Speaker 2: so when they couldn't get me, they made sure that
28:13
Speaker 2: I was never coming back.
28:15
Speaker 3: You know, it would have just been a bit of.
28:16
Speaker 4: A She still would have got residuals for that episode
28:19
Speaker 4: from the from the clips.
28:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh for sure. Yeah, she's getting something out of it.
28:24
Speaker 4: Well, and if you notice that actually inserted an extra
28:27
Speaker 4: scene in that as well. So when when they did
28:30
Speaker 4: the flashback to her in the in the chair of
28:33
Speaker 4: the Aurora class ship, it cuts to that choruson guy,
28:38
Speaker 4: a guy that betrayed them, and he's the one there
28:41
Speaker 4: asking the question are there any life signs or whatever
28:43
Speaker 4: it is. He wasn't in that previous episode. They sort
28:46
Speaker 4: of had to they reshot that and inserted into that
28:49
Speaker 4: into that scene.
28:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:50
Speaker 4: Yeah, which, ironically that choruson guy was boring the a
28:54
Speaker 4: Shen from two thousand and one.
28:56
Speaker 3: And boring Boraville born.
28:58
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean even just like beyond the real
29:03
Speaker 2: life stuff for the actress and all the behind the
29:06
Speaker 2: scenes you know, questions that we have and problems we
29:10
Speaker 2: have with it. But I mean, just I got reminded
29:13
Speaker 2: of a conversation we're having here at work. I don't
29:15
Speaker 2: even know what it was, like, I can't remember what
29:17
Speaker 2: brought on. We're just talking about the idea of being
29:19
Speaker 2: you know, old and you know, how long do you
29:22
Speaker 2: even really want to live for and things like that,
29:25
Speaker 2: and someone was talking about, well you know, they're seeing
29:28
Speaker 2: their elderly parents, you know, barely sort of in their eighties,
29:32
Speaker 2: mid eighties or whatever, and they're really struggling, and it's
29:34
Speaker 2: like that, I don't want to do that, Like why
29:35
Speaker 2: would I want to live longer when I'm in some
29:37
Speaker 2: type of state where I need care twenty four to seven?
29:40
Speaker 2: You know, I'd rather go out when I'm sixty and
29:42
Speaker 2: still alive. And other people like, no, I want to
29:43
Speaker 2: live to them one hundred. And you know, there was
29:45
Speaker 2: something on overseas scientists or whatever talking about, oh, we
29:49
Speaker 2: could we could be living past one twenty, we could
29:51
Speaker 2: be living past one thirty by the end of the
29:53
Speaker 2: century or whatever, and it's like, do we really want
29:56
Speaker 2: to do that? It's one thing for I think the replicators,
29:57
Speaker 2: because that's all they've ever known. But when you're someone
29:59
Speaker 2: like like Weir, and it was interesting to try and
30:02
Speaker 2: I think, for me, try and get my head around
30:05
Speaker 2: like her motives and how much she was still siding
30:08
Speaker 2: with the people from Atlantis because she is at least
30:13
Speaker 2: even when she was just augmented, she was at least
30:15
Speaker 2: part replicator, So she can't only be the human or
30:19
Speaker 2: the once human Elizabeth Weir and we kind of can't
30:23
Speaker 2: blame her for thinking the way that she does now
30:26
Speaker 2: when she did like, hey, I had nothing to do
30:28
Speaker 2: with this, and then when they're down there, it's like, Okay,
30:30
Speaker 2: of course I did have something to do with problem,
30:32
Speaker 2: but I didn't know he.
30:33
Speaker 3: Was going to do that, and it's like, well, can
30:35
Speaker 3: we trust you now? Like yeah, and you know, because there.
30:37
Speaker 2: Were two minutes left to go on the episode, Wolsey's
30:39
Speaker 2: there going, hey, I've decided if you want to continue
30:41
Speaker 2: your work, I absolutely can.
30:42
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I feel like based on what just
30:44
Speaker 3: happened two minutes ago, would.
30:45
Speaker 4: And we had flipped the Tori Sorryry we flip that
30:49
Speaker 4: we had where she's like, well, no, I don't think
30:52
Speaker 4: you can trust them or me m And I was
30:54
Speaker 4: like what.
30:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's when she's back to thinking more human.
30:58
Speaker 2: So obviously prior to that, she's like, they're not gonna
31:00
Speaker 2: like it. We may have to take advantage of them
31:02
Speaker 2: to some point. We're definitely gonna have to lie to
31:04
Speaker 2: them and manipulate them. But it's for a good reason.
31:09
Speaker 2: But she only has to think that way. But still, like,
31:11
Speaker 2: what does that mean when you know, like they said
31:13
Speaker 2: that they've got the technology to help create these synthetic
31:19
Speaker 2: organic bodies.
31:21
Speaker 3: But what if they didn't. What if it took them
31:22
Speaker 3: a little bit longer. What if she who's a human
31:24
Speaker 3: who had lived.
31:25
Speaker 2: You know, forty years at that point, forty five years
31:28
Speaker 2: at that point, and had to then all of a
31:31
Speaker 2: sudden be okay and come to terms with the idea
31:34
Speaker 2: of like, oh, I'm gonna live forever.
31:35
Speaker 3: You know, Like we've seen movies all the time, you know,
31:38
Speaker 3: you know, in a classic since they like to throw
31:41
Speaker 3: you know, vampires and things like that.
31:42
Speaker 2: We saw it in Sinners this year where you know,
31:45
Speaker 2: we get the post credit scene.
31:46
Speaker 3: It's almost like, oh, no, immortality is kind of a curse.
31:49
Speaker 3: You know, we have have you? I know you started
31:53
Speaker 3: watching it, but did you finish watching The Good Place? No?
31:56
Speaker 3: I didn't watch any of them. Oh I come in
31:58
Speaker 3: and out while Sarah was watching.
32:00
Speaker 4: That got really cool at the end because it it
32:02
Speaker 4: kind of because it was an indictment of you know,
32:05
Speaker 4: religion and the idea of going to heaven and all
32:07
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff.
32:07
Speaker 3: But by the time they got to like the end.
32:09
Speaker 4: Of the fourth season, it was a really interesting conversation
32:12
Speaker 4: about Okay, well, when you go to heaven. If you're
32:17
Speaker 4: living forever, at what point are you incredibly bored? Yeah,
32:22
Speaker 4: like after after a thousand years where you've you, for example,
32:26
Speaker 4: you have a giant list of video games you want
32:28
Speaker 4: to play and movies you want to It's like after
32:30
Speaker 4: a thousand years in the afterlife, where you finally managed to.
32:34
Speaker 3: Make you know, I've still find reasons.
32:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, that's like when the first one you finally
32:38
Speaker 4: be Yeah, but you finally beat that impossible to beat game.
32:43
Speaker 4: You know, you finally watched all those movies. There's no
32:45
Speaker 4: one left on earth to watch because it's like your
32:47
Speaker 4: great great great great great great great great grandchildren, who
32:50
Speaker 4: you know, what do you do? Like, what's what's the
32:53
Speaker 4: next sort of step? So, yeah, it's it's a similar
32:56
Speaker 4: sort of thing like living forever is I think the
32:59
Speaker 4: appeal is we want to live longer than however long
33:02
Speaker 4: we actually live. But at a certain point, where does
33:06
Speaker 4: the boredom set up? I mean, I guess the difference
33:09
Speaker 4: of being ascended is I guess in a way, you're
33:12
Speaker 4: a little more active and you're a little more enlightened,
33:16
Speaker 4: so you're enjoying sort of seeing what's going on. Like yeah,
33:19
Speaker 4: I would love to, you know, see what this planet
33:22
Speaker 4: looks like in five thousand years. Do I want to
33:26
Speaker 4: wait five thousand years? Or would I prefer to just
33:29
Speaker 4: jump forward in time five you know what I mean?
33:30
Speaker 3: Yeah?
33:31
Speaker 4: Whereas Yeah, so like ascended versus like being in quote
33:35
Speaker 4: unquote Heaven is I guess a different a different thing.
33:38
Speaker 4: I think, you know, the good place aspect was a
33:40
Speaker 4: little more passive, whereas, yeah, if you're an ascended being,
33:43
Speaker 4: I guess you're a little more active e and knowing
33:46
Speaker 4: things that are going on. But yeah, what point you
33:49
Speaker 4: just kind of over it?
33:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've barely thought about it in the moments.
33:53
Speaker 2: I have thought about that, that sort of thing with it,
33:55
Speaker 2: with the concept of heaven. They go, oh, it's just
33:57
Speaker 2: pure happy. It's some paradox might right, what what do
33:59
Speaker 2: you mean? No, just it's just happiness forever, like no
34:02
Speaker 2: more thought could okay, cood that sounds wonderful, but like, yeah,
34:06
Speaker 2: you would have to change as a person, like your
34:08
Speaker 2: your mind would have to be altered in a way.
34:10
Speaker 2: Where Yet, like you said, you don't get bored, and
34:13
Speaker 2: we almost my idea of it, it's like, well, no,
34:15
Speaker 2: we don't go up to a ship if heaven was
34:17
Speaker 2: a real thing, we wouldn't be going to a shared space.
34:21
Speaker 2: We would almost be plugging into our own version of
34:23
Speaker 2: the matrix, right, Like, were like my happy place with
34:26
Speaker 2: the people that I love and that I would want
34:29
Speaker 2: to spend eternity with or being with every single day
34:32
Speaker 2: and doing the same things with every single day.
34:34
Speaker 3: That might not be their version of them.
34:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if and if someone you love and care
34:39
Speaker 4: about goes to the bad place, then how can it
34:42
Speaker 4: be your happy place?
34:43
Speaker 3: There's some movie's I'm going to try and google. I'm
34:46
Speaker 3: trying to think.
34:46
Speaker 2: I think it's Elizabeth Olsen and Miles Teller, maybe a
34:51
Speaker 2: movie coming out. Let me just google that. And it's
34:55
Speaker 2: a movie where hang on Eternity. There you go, coming,
34:59
Speaker 2: American fans, romantic comedy directed by that In and Afterlife,
35:04
Speaker 2: where souls have one week to decide where to spend eternity,
35:07
Speaker 2: Joan is faced with the impossible choice between the man
35:10
Speaker 2: she spent her life with and her first love.
35:13
Speaker 3: Who died young and has waited decades for her to arrive. Wow,
35:17
Speaker 3: so I love that idea? Right for her?
35:21
Speaker 2: She gets up and it's like, oh, I get to
35:23
Speaker 2: choose now what my happiness is, and then you've got
35:25
Speaker 2: note that shared space. Her first husband's like, what are
35:28
Speaker 2: you talking about? My happiness is determined on you being
35:31
Speaker 2: here with me. So the idea of it, like we
35:34
Speaker 2: almost need we going back to what season four now
35:37
Speaker 2: where we had first with the with the brother, with
35:43
Speaker 2: John's brother that we forgot about to go off and
35:45
Speaker 2: chase around about him.
35:47
Speaker 3: That replicator just now goddamn replicas and everywhere, aren't they.
35:51
Speaker 2: But that woman that like we're just like, oh, you're
35:53
Speaker 2: gonna go and become a teacher or whatever.
35:54
Speaker 4: It was.
35:54
Speaker 3: Maybe that was me speculating about what she could be.
35:56
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, John like phased out
36:01
Speaker 3: and it was like, oh no, he just tapped out
36:02
Speaker 3: of the matrix.
36:03
Speaker 2: Like yeah, they downloaded her consciousness or her programming into
36:08
Speaker 2: the computer and she's going to exist in something of
36:12
Speaker 2: her own making almost.
36:14
Speaker 3: And that's kind of like, I mean, this is bringing
36:16
Speaker 3: you on like really some type of like matrix future
36:19
Speaker 3: for humanity. But that would almost be the ultimate.
36:23
Speaker 2: Idea of heaven in a space like right now if
36:26
Speaker 2: we're like, oh, well, my belief will take me to
36:28
Speaker 2: like the nothingness, the fourth dimension or something, the fifth
36:31
Speaker 2: dimension up there with with God and Jesus and it's
36:33
Speaker 2: clouds and it's nothing but sunshine and all my dogs
36:36
Speaker 2: that I've ever owned, and every movie that I over
36:38
Speaker 2: want to watch, in football game that I want to
36:40
Speaker 2: tune into, and my family are up there and all
36:42
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff.
36:43
Speaker 3: I can eat all the shit food and never put
36:44
Speaker 3: on weight and all that sort of stuff.
36:46
Speaker 4: Or in scrubs, as JD and Turkud always say, when
36:49
Speaker 4: when they both die, their their pack is to meet
36:52
Speaker 4: each other at the milkshake pool on the lesbian cloud.
36:56
Speaker 3: That's version heaven. And we can't judge them for that. No,
37:02
Speaker 3: that's where they're gonna meet. That's where they're gonna.
37:03
Speaker 2: Meet because in their version, if you've got a problem
37:05
Speaker 2: with it, in their version, they're not creeps.
37:07
Speaker 4: It's just it's just it's just something that these other
37:10
Speaker 4: people's version of heaven doesn't include lesbians or lactose So
37:14
Speaker 4: you know what I.
37:14
Speaker 3: Mean, Yeah, exactly right.
37:15
Speaker 2: So it's like we're gonna it's a wonder that has
37:18
Speaker 2: never become more of a discussion. Just did a religious
37:20
Speaker 2: sense of like well, what's okay, what are we all taking?
37:23
Speaker 2: Like surely whenever we go if where to go, if
37:26
Speaker 2: it's a real thing, If where to go, we take
37:28
Speaker 2: a little bit of what we want up there, you know,
37:31
Speaker 2: I mean just to like you said, lesbians aren't in
37:35
Speaker 2: someone's version of heaven. There was those signs, you know,
37:37
Speaker 2: a you know, anti gay marriage rallies or something like
37:40
Speaker 2: ten years ago when someone has a sign saying Hell
37:42
Speaker 2: is full of gays and lesbians and you know, sinners
37:47
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah blah blah. And someone retweeted that
37:50
Speaker 2: was like, Hell sounds yeah, that's the cool party.
37:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, adulterers and all this other sort of stuff.
37:56
Speaker 3: It's like, oh damn, that sounds like sounds like a
37:58
Speaker 3: wild party. It's like, are you trying to turn us
38:01
Speaker 3: off the idea of going to help?
38:03
Speaker 4: So, you know, it's like it's like that scene from
38:05
Speaker 4: season two of Peacemaker.
38:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone disappears into episode one of season two piecemakers.
38:13
Speaker 2: I'm in my own house, so my bed's around there.
38:15
Speaker 2: I'm very comfortable with my own couch. I'm just doing
38:18
Speaker 2: lines of coke off my coffee table, surrounded by naked
38:20
Speaker 2: people who were having sex and my fridge. Like wild scene.
38:24
Speaker 3: That was wow. So yeah, I don't know I just thought,
38:26
Speaker 3: like the idea of like Elizabeth.
38:28
Speaker 2: Wires, she's unique to everybody else or every other character
38:32
Speaker 2: of the replicators, who are probably fine with that, But
38:35
Speaker 2: at what point has she already accepted it, like the
38:38
Speaker 2: has the replicator part of her? I mean, I know
38:40
Speaker 2: she's all replicated now because she existed as like this
38:43
Speaker 2: programmed entity in subspace, which is itself just that. I
38:49
Speaker 2: was surprised how quickly they got through that as an explanation,
38:52
Speaker 2: and they were just like.
38:53
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I guess some of that makes sense in subspace.
38:56
Speaker 3: They're just popping in and out. I can't stop them.
38:58
Speaker 2: I'm like, hang on what I feel like, But if
39:00
Speaker 2: I start rewinding it, I'm going to rewind it twenty
39:02
Speaker 2: times to try and get my head around. Yeah, And
39:03
Speaker 2: I just need to push on because I've got to
39:05
Speaker 2: worry about the story, not.
39:06
Speaker 3: The side just here technico babble, techno babble, technobabble. Yeah,
39:09
Speaker 3: and then Elizabeth. Oh okay, now I'm on board. Yeah.
39:13
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
39:14
Speaker 2: I just I wonder whether that yeah, replicate a part
39:17
Speaker 2: of her, like overwrites, you know, not that she's a
39:20
Speaker 2: program herself, but overwrites the concern the or the questioning
39:24
Speaker 2: of what eternity means and does she actually really want
39:27
Speaker 2: to do that? And would she get further on and go, oh,
39:29
Speaker 2: I actually don't want to do this anymore. But then
39:31
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, maybe she's key. She's paramount to
39:34
Speaker 2: the success of their mission and of their trying to
39:36
Speaker 2: replicate organic bodies, and without her they can't survive. So
39:39
Speaker 2: then they would almost you know, trap her, you know,
39:43
Speaker 2: imprison her within some kind of a program to keep
39:46
Speaker 2: her alive or something like it.
39:47
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's a lot of questions to be
39:48
Speaker 3: asked out there, So I guess that's why you make it.
39:51
Speaker 3: Elizabeth wiir So I get it.
39:52
Speaker 2: From a writing standpoint, it just for me, like we said,
39:55
Speaker 2: it sounds like a bit of a kick in the
39:58
Speaker 2: proverbial to someone like Tory Higginson, who they said after
40:03
Speaker 2: season three, Yeah, we don't want you all the time?
40:05
Speaker 2: Well have you sometimes? Yeah, And they brought her back
40:07
Speaker 2: a couple of times and then basically wrote her out
40:09
Speaker 2: and then they brought abound another way to bring it.
40:10
Speaker 3: They did exactly the same thing with Ford.
40:12
Speaker 4: They wrote for it out at the end of season
40:14
Speaker 4: one and said Okay, we're gonna contract you for four
40:17
Speaker 4: episodes in season two, and he got those first two
40:20
Speaker 4: episodes where he was Lenny Kravitz in the first one
40:25
Speaker 4: with the Lenny Kravitz glasses, and then he was in Runner,
40:27
Speaker 4: and then he had his two parter with the Lost Boys,
40:30
Speaker 4: and you never saw him again until that little dream
40:32
Speaker 4: sequence at the start of this season. And then the
40:34
Speaker 4: same thing with Tory. They said, okay, you get the
40:38
Speaker 4: same deal. You're no longer a regular character. He's four episodes.
40:42
Speaker 4: So she got, you know, those two at the start
40:43
Speaker 4: of the season, and then she got this Mortal Coil
40:45
Speaker 4: and be almost since remembered.
40:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was it. So and then they decided
40:48
Speaker 3: they want to bring her back.
40:49
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's been you know, like fifteen episodes, so
40:53
Speaker 4: it's you know, you probably would have been a year
40:54
Speaker 4: for her at that point, and they're just gonna throw
40:57
Speaker 4: her a single episode, and she just went.
41:01
Speaker 2: And like, you know, give everyone that's on staff the
41:03
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt, but you know, they see what
41:06
Speaker 2: happens to Rainbow.
41:07
Speaker 3: And it's like, wow, at least it's not gonna.
41:10
Speaker 2: Happen to us, you know, like she she had existed
41:14
Speaker 2: in the character at least prior to SGA, and then
41:17
Speaker 2: Tory Higginson comes in and you know, she takes out
41:20
Speaker 2: of the role and then SGA happens, and so she
41:23
Speaker 2: almost not that that would make her the safest, but
41:26
Speaker 2: at the same time, like there's some history there, there's
41:28
Speaker 2: a legacy there then too, I mean everyone's at risk
41:31
Speaker 2: of getting killed off.
41:32
Speaker 4: Well if you think about it, like at the point
41:35
Speaker 4: Rising started, she was probably only maybe two or three
41:39
Speaker 4: episodes less than McKay because he done he done maybe
41:43
Speaker 4: say three or four episodes at that point. She came
41:47
Speaker 4: in and did those first two episodes of season eight
41:49
Speaker 4: of SG one, so Lost City had the blonde Jessica
41:52
Speaker 4: Blonde Jessica Steine.
41:53
Speaker 3: Who played Weir.
41:55
Speaker 4: Then Tory came in and did those first two episodes
41:57
Speaker 4: where she was in command of the SGC, where she
42:00
Speaker 4: negotiated with Camulus and you and all that kind of.
42:04
Speaker 3: Stuff, and then she went over to Rising.
42:06
Speaker 4: So yeah, as far as like a legacy character goes,
42:08
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously McKay bit around for years at that.
42:10
Speaker 3: Point, but he'd only done you know, three or four episodes.
42:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so you thought, and you know, obviously I've
42:15
Speaker 4: spoke about a lot about Brad Wright loved the character
42:18
Speaker 4: We love Tory and loved the character.
42:20
Speaker 3: Of we Are Yeah, but no one else did.
42:22
Speaker 4: So when Brad sort of stepped away to do other
42:24
Speaker 4: things and work on other things, she left behind.
42:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was vulnerable, like the protection shield got taken away. Yeah.
42:32
Speaker 3: Something else they mentioned kind of opened the door.
42:36
Speaker 2: For many possibilities in the future that we know isn't
42:39
Speaker 2: coming unless they do cram it in somewhere in the
42:41
Speaker 2: next fifteen episodes.
42:41
Speaker 3: And maybe that's why they dropped. It means the first
42:43
Speaker 3: time of you or we'll find out soon.
42:45
Speaker 2: But it also could be like a Furling situation because
42:48
Speaker 2: she mentioned, oh, we visited many other highly technologically advanced races, beings, creatures,
42:57
Speaker 2: and they're like, what in this galaxy? There's more She's like, oh, yeah,
43:00
Speaker 2: it was a ship so well almost why maybe.
43:05
Speaker 3: Maybe shut I mean, maybe maybe you'll see some of
43:07
Speaker 3: them later this season.
43:08
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe we've already seen it in Deadalist variations where
43:13
Speaker 4: there was those weird green guys.
43:15
Speaker 2: Oh yes, you know, well, I mean that did feel like, hey,
43:21
Speaker 2: we've went a lot of work for this design.
43:23
Speaker 5: Yeah I could have wasted Okay, but maybe maybe not,
43:28
Speaker 5: maybe not, maybe not maybe there's it was it something
43:32
Speaker 5: that was a bit fun though that I thought you
43:33
Speaker 5: would like this, and it was a scratch and into
43:35
Speaker 5: in my brand that absolutely loved because you know me,
43:37
Speaker 5: I love the cabin Bacon game.
43:39
Speaker 4: So Michelle Morgan is the actress who played Fran who
43:43
Speaker 4: played We're in this episode. In two thousand and seven,
43:47
Speaker 4: she starred alongside Jessica Stein in something called Heartland.
43:52
Speaker 3: Jessica of Heartland. Yeah, Jessica Steen was blonde Weir.
43:57
Speaker 4: So the first Weir and the last Sweet actresses start
44:01
Speaker 4: alongside each other in something.
44:08
Speaker 2: Look it's a weak one, but we'll allow it. It's
44:11
Speaker 2: an old code, sir.
44:12
Speaker 3: Yeah.
44:17
Speaker 4: And then something I did we mentioned it before with
44:19
Speaker 4: the electronic voice. I don't know if that was Michelle
44:23
Speaker 4: Morgan or not. I checked all the uh like the IMDb,
44:29
Speaker 4: like all the credits and stuff like that, and there
44:30
Speaker 4: was no one there that said, you know, voice of
44:33
Speaker 4: Weir or anything that, So I don't know whether it
44:34
Speaker 4: was electronically generated or whether it was an actual human
44:37
Speaker 4: doing it. It was flanged or if they al they
44:40
Speaker 4: altered some audio of Tory Higgins or whatever, but there
44:45
Speaker 4: was one there was one word that sold it for me.
44:48
Speaker 3: And this is what it was, is that Richard Woolsey that.
44:54
Speaker 2: It is I'm the the new who are you?
44:59
Speaker 3: I see?
45:02
Speaker 2: Even that I see at the end was very yeah,
45:05
Speaker 2: Tory Higginson. Let's I'll just play that the first listen to.
45:10
Speaker 3: Richard.
45:11
Speaker 4: That's very Tory Higginson to me, the way she said
45:13
Speaker 4: that that.
45:14
Speaker 2: And like, you know, if if if this was a
45:16
Speaker 2: legitimate like storyline they wanted to go down and and
45:20
Speaker 2: have we be in friend and then bring her back
45:24
Speaker 2: like like you said in the in the Cannon non
45:26
Speaker 2: canon extra ship they did after the show wrapped up,
45:28
Speaker 2: and bring her back that way as the Tory Higginson
45:32
Speaker 2: version of herself. Then yeah, like that would have actually
45:35
Speaker 2: been really cool, Like when she comes to the Modul
45:36
Speaker 2: latter and it's a guy and like that doesn't sound
45:38
Speaker 2: like I'll hang on, hang on ye, and they tweak
45:40
Speaker 2: it and it is actually Tory Higginson and then when
45:43
Speaker 2: she gets printed it's, oh no, she's friend now, Like
45:46
Speaker 2: that would just the synergy of that would have been amazing.
45:49
Speaker 2: But you know that that's great in a book. That's
45:52
Speaker 2: great in a comic where you can just draw and
45:53
Speaker 2: write in any character, and I mean likeness that you want.
45:56
Speaker 4: That's why one of my favorite TV shows of all
45:58
Speaker 4: times Young Justice and is the animated DC, like all
46:01
Speaker 4: the sidekicks forming their own team, and it's like you
46:03
Speaker 4: can just have Batman come in and say one line
46:06
Speaker 4: and then go away, you know what I mean.
46:07
Speaker 3: You can have Wonder Woman coming do all that kind
46:09
Speaker 3: of stuff, which I love.
46:11
Speaker 4: Something that I thought that was a little bit of
46:12
Speaker 4: a cop out though, is obviously like we was in
46:15
Speaker 4: a hurry, so she just printed France and put herself
46:17
Speaker 4: in it. But then when the other eight replicators came,
46:20
Speaker 4: they all got to custom build their bodies, so they
46:23
Speaker 4: looked like what we saw them as earlier.
46:27
Speaker 3: Didn't Why didn't we get to build a build a
46:29
Speaker 3: build a Tory body.
46:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there was no hurry at that point, which
46:34
Speaker 4: was which was a bit devastating and then also likes
46:38
Speaker 4: as fun as it was played, you know, for the gag.
46:42
Speaker 4: It also made absolutely no sense that in Atlantis, where
46:45
Speaker 4: there's only and you saw it on the screen, there's only, say,
46:47
Speaker 4: like no more than ten transporter spots in the entire city.
46:52
Speaker 4: Why is there one that opens up to a dead
46:54
Speaker 4: end belve just just to put wolves out there.
46:59
Speaker 2: Well, I top of the idea of them, you know,
47:01
Speaker 2: drifting off into space and like, oh no, that might
47:04
Speaker 2: even be scarier, Like you're at home, but you're locked
47:07
Speaker 2: out in the balcony. Yeah, and you don't even know
47:09
Speaker 2: which building you're on, which wing of Manhattan, you know, Like, yeah,
47:13
Speaker 2: he could have died up there, right, He could have
47:15
Speaker 2: died and no one would have known that he even
47:18
Speaker 2: went missing.
47:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, because his coms were cut out. It was weird though,
47:21
Speaker 4: because they must have been a little way because he
47:22
Speaker 4: did say he had to walk back or whatever. Yeah,
47:25
Speaker 4: but also it was a bad line where they're like,
47:27
Speaker 4: where have you been? He goes on the other side
47:28
Speaker 4: of the city. They're in the central Tower. There is
47:32
Speaker 4: no other side of the city when you're snack in
47:34
Speaker 4: the middle of the city, you know what I mean.
47:36
Speaker 4: He's gonna said on the outskirts of the city, but
47:38
Speaker 4: it wasn't on the other side of it. He literally
47:39
Speaker 4: had to walk half the distance of the city.
47:43
Speaker 3: Trying to make yourself sound good.
47:45
Speaker 4: I did like his bluff though, his bluff when they
47:47
Speaker 4: were sinking the city. Yeah, the way he's just like, okay,
47:50
Speaker 4: all right, go for it.
47:51
Speaker 3: Die. I actually that was the first moment. I was
47:53
Speaker 3: like okay, I kind of like okay, So he did that.
47:57
Speaker 2: Then go to the end of the episode, we already
48:00
Speaker 2: had Ronnie go well, I guess now we.
48:02
Speaker 3: Know that it was the real Elizabeth. Yeah.
48:04
Speaker 2: She had said I think I've got the only way
48:08
Speaker 2: that this can end. I've got this idea or whatever,
48:10
Speaker 2: and then we get led into the gate room. We're
48:13
Speaker 2: cut straight to that moment where they hey, look we've
48:15
Speaker 2: got a got all these facilities, we've got all this technology.
48:18
Speaker 2: We're giving these allowances. You cannot leave the planet, you
48:21
Speaker 2: cannot communicate with anybody except for us when we make
48:24
Speaker 2: contact with you. You're not allowed to do anything without afermission.
48:27
Speaker 2: She's like, no, absolutely not, we won't be doing that.
48:29
Speaker 2: And then them talking like, hey, this could be I
48:31
Speaker 2: mean they'd said it in the middle, but the idea,
48:34
Speaker 2: I guess would have carried on. This could be like
48:37
Speaker 2: some powerful allies that we develop here and that we're
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Speaker 2: helping out. And then for her to go through and
48:44
Speaker 2: then one of her you know, secondaries, gets the little message.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's say okay, see let's go, and then
48:53
Speaker 2: it's only when she It was weird because like it
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Speaker 2: was almost like we saw her walk through and then
48:58
Speaker 2: the VFL didn't change. It was like she walked through
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Speaker 2: and then she walked back out, and I thought she'd
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Speaker 2: like step back this way to go, Yeah, come on,
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Speaker 2: it's safe.
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Speaker 3: Most like a little bit Daniel Jackson the movie.
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Speaker 2: Like sticking his face through and immediately it didn't start
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Speaker 2: disintegrating him because it was like they, you know, the
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Speaker 2: the wormhole, the event Horizon was perfectly matched.
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Speaker 3: On the other it was weird.
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Speaker 2: It was just a weird Maybe I blinked and it
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Speaker 2: did change, I don't know, but for her to step through,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, what is she looking at? And
49:27
Speaker 2: then she's seeing Weird just at Fran floating off, but
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Speaker 2: it's too late for her.
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Speaker 3: She's already there. Yeah, And I'm like, oh, what happened?
49:35
Speaker 3: What have they?
49:37
Speaker 2: Is that why they're looking sad because they have chosen
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Speaker 2: to kill them all? Or was this Weird's idea? Did
49:44
Speaker 2: did they choose to do it? But Weird knew without
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Speaker 2: telling them, and she just sort of accepted, Hey, look
49:50
Speaker 2: they're telling me all these nice things. I reckon they're
49:52
Speaker 2: going to send us off to her death and I'm
49:54
Speaker 2: okay with it.
49:54
Speaker 3: You know. That was weird plan. Yeah, so that was
49:56
Speaker 3: her plan.
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Speaker 4: Like when she said, oh, we can't they can't be trusted,
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Speaker 4: neither can I. She had the plan. So she told
50:03
Speaker 4: them to reconfigure the DHD because if you notice, it
50:07
Speaker 4: was it was we as offsider that actually dialed the site.
50:10
Speaker 4: It was a way for them to feel a little safer.
50:12
Speaker 4: But this is your address, this is what you're dialing.
50:16
Speaker 4: We're not tricking you out of it. And yeah, it
50:18
Speaker 4: was that's why we had to go first to tell
50:20
Speaker 4: But yeah, that that stop and that turn was just
50:23
Speaker 4: I think her saying goodbye was her nonverbal saying goodbye
50:26
Speaker 4: to everybody because she knew that the Yeah, she knew
50:29
Speaker 4: that she had to go first and then tell them
50:33
Speaker 4: that it was okay and safe to come through.
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Speaker 6: But it's it's it's assistant sewey, like that's that's all.
50:39
Speaker 6: And it's like that's what makes it sadder is that,
50:40
Speaker 6: like it's the original remnants, the last remnants are rather
50:43
Speaker 6: of the original Elizabeth.
50:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's just like, yeah, okay, kill them. It's
50:50
Speaker 2: like holy shit, you know, And whether or not you
50:52
Speaker 2: liked or hated the character. I'm like, that's a that's
50:54
Speaker 2: a pretty big moment right there.
50:56
Speaker 4: I guess in the end she was the greatest negotiator. Ha.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, just woke up out of a dream where you
51:10
Speaker 2: just said she was the greatest nega.
51:12
Speaker 3: Oh no, that was real, Like yeah, yeah, well and
51:18
Speaker 3: one like, we can't go out on that. We can't,
51:20
Speaker 3: we can't worry. No, we don't know.
51:24
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, but I'm just hopefully Brendan survived that braind
51:27
Speaker 4: news and we just hadm I'm going to read you
51:30
Speaker 4: a sentence and it's going to test your sporting knowledge
51:35
Speaker 4: in reference to this episode, and I'm going to see
51:38
Speaker 4: if you can finish the sentence before I do. Okay,
51:43
Speaker 4: you need to guess what I'm what I'm referencing.
51:45
Speaker 3: So this episode.
51:48
Speaker 4: Premiered the fifteenth of August two thousand and eight. It
51:53
Speaker 4: was delayed a week due to the airing of the
51:58
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight.
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Speaker 3: Olympics opening ceremony.
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Speaker 4: Here it is yep, so last week's episode premiere the
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Speaker 4: first of August. This episode skipped a week and premiere
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Speaker 4: the fifteenth of August because the Beijing opening ceremony.
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Speaker 3: Nice. Yeah, I don't know.
52:14
Speaker 4: Why does this show on sci Fi would Beijing Olympics
52:18
Speaker 4: being showed on sci Fi. I they just go, oh,
52:20
Speaker 4: we're not going to go up against it. We're going
52:22
Speaker 4: to put a run on.
52:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, because American, the American audience, American broadcasters, they actually determined,
52:28
Speaker 2: like when it happens, right, they pay the most amount
52:31
Speaker 2: of money for events to run.
52:34
Speaker 3: So it's in primetime over there.
52:36
Speaker 2: So that's why even like when we've got the Olympics
52:38
Speaker 2: here in seven years, it won't be like, oh everything
52:42
Speaker 2: suits American Australian prime time viewing.
52:45
Speaker 3: It will a little bit. Obviously it's going to play
52:47
Speaker 3: some type of benefit to the to the host nation.
52:50
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, they surely they're not going to
52:51
Speaker 4: be doing you know, the one hundred meter sprint yet
52:54
Speaker 4: at two am.
52:54
Speaker 2: You're not going to see hundred meter of sprint though
52:56
Speaker 2: be broadcast the final broadcast two thirty am American time,
53:00
Speaker 2: like it just they would not allow that. So they
53:02
Speaker 2: paid the most money. So that that'd be why I
53:04
Speaker 2: reckon is that they just know it's a jugging.
53:06
Speaker 3: All over there.
53:07
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, an opening ceremony, like you tune in,
53:10
Speaker 2: but it's like you know, you start off with the
53:13
Speaker 2: country starting with AA or A B by the time
53:16
Speaker 2: you get to ZZ at the end. Yeah, it could
53:20
Speaker 2: be two hours by the time you get through, like
53:22
Speaker 2: just watching people walk in tracks.
53:24
Speaker 3: Do American march at A or you? I believe they
53:27
Speaker 3: imagined you.
53:28
Speaker 4: Yes, that must confuse a lot of Americans.
53:32
Speaker 3: The thoughts and opinions of one. But you can say
53:36
Speaker 3: that because you're half American, exactly right.
53:38
Speaker 2: And that is episode two hundred and ninety six of
53:42
Speaker 2: Get into Gate.
53:43
Speaker 3: We'll be back next week. Well, we're hoping to be.
53:46
Speaker 2: Joined by our American friends who are doing that around town.
53:50
Speaker 3: They're going to come back for the Shane.
53:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was some immigration issues there, so yeah, via
53:56
Speaker 4: I think we've got a little patch into into immigration.
54:00
Speaker 3: Who are what would it be called? What's the was
54:03
Speaker 3: it ezyer? Here? Was something? I don't know. I think
54:07
Speaker 3: just the fact that we've said that twice now we're
54:08
Speaker 3: now it on watch list. Yeah, right, that's the Shane.
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Speaker 2: Episode six of season five of stontagoat Atlantis.
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Speaker 3: The three hundredth episode on the franchise.
54:20
Speaker 2: Jesus Closely Jesus Clay, Jesus Christ.
54:24
Speaker 3: We were so close, so close to ninety seven. Next week.
54:27
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, ours will be Tracker, which is episode nine, but I.
54:31
Speaker 3: Don't know what that means. Neither do I Get into
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Speaker 3: the gieg.
54:37
Speaker 2: Get into the Gate, Get into Gate.
54:41
Speaker 1: Stargate, send me some mass breaking