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Ep. 357: Getting Out of Your Deer Hunting Comfort Zone with Justin Hollandsworth · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this is episode number three
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  Speaker 1: fifty seven, and today I'm joined by Justin Hollandsworth of
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  Speaker 1: White Tail Addictions TV to discuss high risk, high reward
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  Speaker 1: tactics that lead to d I Y deer hunting success
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  Speaker 1: and much more. All Right, welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by Onyx. My guest today is Justin Hollandsworth.
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  Speaker 1: He is a serious dear nut from Central Ohio, a
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  Speaker 1: member of the White Tail Addictions TV team, and I
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  Speaker 1: think this is fair to say, a disciple of the
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  Speaker 1: Andre de Quisto school of deer hunting. And Justin like
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  Speaker 1: Andre and a whole bunch of others who have kind
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  Speaker 1: of come out of this coaching tree. Maybe you could
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  Speaker 1: call it, folks like Adam Hayes and Dan Infult and others.
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  Speaker 1: Justin is a mobile deer hunter who makes aggressive moves
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  Speaker 1: when needed to get in tight on big mature deer.
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  Speaker 1: So today I wanted to dig into what makes Justin tick,
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  Speaker 1: why he does what he does how exactly he is
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  Speaker 1: having such consistent deer hunting success year after year, And
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  Speaker 1: I think this stuff, while in his case is being
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  Speaker 1: applied to trying to kill a big old buck, it
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  Speaker 1: could also help you if you're trying to kill any buck,
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  Speaker 1: or if you're trying to kill your first two year
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  Speaker 1: old buck, or whatever it is your goal is, these
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  Speaker 1: things can help you. And let me tell you this
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  Speaker 1: is a good one. Justin's got a great perspective and
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  Speaker 1: I think I think he just effectively is able to
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  Speaker 1: share his thought process from past hunts in a very
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  Speaker 1: helpful way. But probably the biggest takeaway, if if I
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  Speaker 1: had to drill down to just one thing for me
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  Speaker 1: in this episode, it was Justin's repeated suggestion. He kept
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  Speaker 1: on reminding us that we need to sometimes go beyond
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  Speaker 1: the normal routine. We sometimes have to push outside of
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  Speaker 1: our comfort zone, whether that's by trying completely new tactics,
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  Speaker 1: going to new places, or maybe just pushing in further
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  Speaker 1: or pushing harder for a buck than we ever thought
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  Speaker 1: we would. And that, my friends, I think is a
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  Speaker 1: really good piece of advice. So I'd say we should
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  Speaker 1: just get right into it. But before that, do just
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  Speaker 1: have to go through some real quick little house cleaning here.
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  Speaker 1: Longtime listeners out there, you've probably noticed that we've had
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  Speaker 1: a few more ads running than we did three or
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  Speaker 1: four or five years ago. And sometimes those ads aren't
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  Speaker 1: even hunting related. And I know ads can be a drag.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel that way too. Um, it is just
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  Speaker 1: a thing that you gotta do. It helps us keep
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  Speaker 1: here and able to be talking to. So I just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to to recognize that, Hey, I know that's a
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  Speaker 1: on occasion when you hear those. I thank you for
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  Speaker 1: of the way, I promise it is time to get
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  Speaker 1: to the show. All right with me? Now on the
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  Speaker 1: line is Justin Hollandsworth. Justin Welcome to the show. Thank you,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Yeah, I'm glad that we
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  Speaker 1: can have this chat. It's uh, I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: it is for you, But I'm thinking about dear all
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  Speaker 1: year long, probably every day there's something I'm thinking about.
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  Speaker 1: But I have a little bit of an ebb and
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  Speaker 1: flow where my crazy meter can sometimes go from like
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  Speaker 1: eighty two fifty, and that crazy meter goes exponentially higher
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  Speaker 1: as we get into the summer. So once June hits
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  Speaker 1: and you start seeing a velvet bucker two, I get
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  Speaker 1: a little weird. And that's where I'm at right now,
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  Speaker 1: And so talking to somebody but like you, is the
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  Speaker 1: perfect way to scratch that hitch. Um. So that's my
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  Speaker 1: long winded way of saying, I'm excited about this. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad to be on. I've been listening to your
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  Speaker 1: podcast for a while now. I love them, glad to
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  Speaker 1: hear that I appreciate it. Um. Well, if you've listened
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  Speaker 1: to the past episodes, then you know I usually like
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  Speaker 1: to kick these off with just a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: an intro from you. Uh. If people don't know who
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  Speaker 1: you are what you do, can you just give us
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  Speaker 1: the quick one on one on on your background and
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  Speaker 1: what TRUP do. Yeah. So, UM, I growing up in Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: live in central Ohio and have for the last twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: And um I uh I worked as a construction project manager.
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  Speaker 1: But UM, I've been involved with UM UM Lone Wolf
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  Speaker 1: and Lone Wolf Custom Gear for almost twenty years now. UM.
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  Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I've not shot a Pope and Young
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  Speaker 1: white Tail out of anything UM other than a Dequisto
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  Speaker 1: design stand and UM and currently UM working with them
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  Speaker 1: on the Lone Wolf custom gear side of things. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm also the co producer along with Byron Horton who's
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  Speaker 1: the main producer and he's usco another co producer for
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  Speaker 1: the White Tail Addiction Show. So that's UH. That's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing these days. But um, um, more importantly, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just another average guy out there that is absolutely addicted
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  Speaker 1: to white tales and love everything about him. That's the
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  Speaker 1: kind of person I like to talk to. Um, it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: I uh, I know a lot of really good hunters
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  Speaker 1: down in Ohio, and I it was very strange. I
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  Speaker 1: was watching I can't remember if I was watching one
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  Speaker 1: of your videos or if I was listening to a
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  Speaker 1: conversation you were having someone on a podcast or something,
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  Speaker 1: but it struck with me that there's another friend of
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  Speaker 1: mine from down in Ohio, he's more towards Cincinnati, that
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  Speaker 1: literally sounds exactly like you. The two of you have
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  Speaker 1: the exact same voice, the exact same pauses in your voice. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you could flip you and my buddy Mike out and
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  Speaker 1: it's like I'm talking the same guy and you're both
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  Speaker 1: absolute killers. So it's it's a weird Ohio voice thing
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  Speaker 1: that's going on right now. But it's I had to
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  Speaker 1: mention it because it just kind of blew my mind
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  Speaker 1: when I realized it. Um, you're not happy to be
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  Speaker 1: related to a great deer hunter done in Cincinnati, do you? No? No?
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  Speaker 1: But you know, somebody else has said the same thing
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  Speaker 1: to me one other times. So I have to look
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  Speaker 1: this guy up because I don't know this guy, so
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  Speaker 1: I should choose dame afterwards. I don't know. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: an Ohio accident or something that I've never noticed before
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  Speaker 1: that all of a sudden is starting to stand out
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  Speaker 1: to me. But uh, but yeah, it's there's no short
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  Speaker 1: good deer hunters down that state. You guys, are you
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  Speaker 1: guys are fortunate to not only be good hunters but
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  Speaker 1: also have some great hunting. If you you've hunted in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of other states, I know, Iowa, you've been
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  Speaker 1: all over the place, But how does your home state rank?
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  Speaker 1: Is that? Is that your favorite? Are you still like
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  Speaker 1: going on into places like Iowa? Is that still special?
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  Speaker 1: I love Ohio, um, you know, and I had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of time to prepare here, and and we have
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  Speaker 1: some some great deer, there's no doubt. Um, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know something about Iowa's just like the cream of the crop. Though. UM,
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  Speaker 1: it's hands down my favorite. But you know, Illinois is great.
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  Speaker 1: I've Kansas is great. Um, there's a lot of really
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  Speaker 1: good states. But if I had to, I guess I
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  Speaker 1: mean I was number one, and I would say probably
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  Speaker 1: I would probably rank Ohio four. But maybe that's just
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  Speaker 1: because I live here. But I have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time to prepare, you know, to prepare here. And um,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why I consistently have success, is just
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  Speaker 1: because of my preparation and everything that I do where
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  Speaker 1: I tend to a lot of times I leave Ohio
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  Speaker 1: um and hunt the Rut and other states because, UM,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the deer that I'm after just who knows,
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  Speaker 1: who knows where they are. It's harder to keep tracking
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  Speaker 1: them from a long distance, that's for sure. UM. So
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  Speaker 1: I've got a weird way I want to kick this off. UM,
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  Speaker 1: And you can answer this however. You however, it kind
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  Speaker 1: of rings true to you. But why would you say
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  Speaker 1: you're a deer hunter? Is it you? I guess you
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  Speaker 1: can answer that. As far as how what led you
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  Speaker 1: to being hunter or why you love it so much?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I shouldn't answer the question
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  Speaker 1: for it. I should let you answer why are you
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  Speaker 1: a deer hunter? Justin Well, I think for me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it started when I was a kid and my my grandfather,
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  Speaker 1: who would who was always talking about deer hunting, and
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  Speaker 1: and I remember a lot of those conversations, and he
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  Speaker 1: and he talked a lot about a guy by the
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  Speaker 1: name of Roger Rothar and Roger and I grew up
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  Speaker 1: in north central Ohio, so Roger was not that far.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember my grandfather always talking about the sky
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  Speaker 1: and everything, and and I remember just I think, just
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  Speaker 1: being around my my grandfather so much, and he just
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  Speaker 1: built up the white tails, you know, so much in
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  Speaker 1: my head. So when I first the first time that
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  Speaker 1: I ever went hunted, um, I went out and my
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  Speaker 1: grandfather had shot a dough like right in front of me,
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  Speaker 1: and um man, I'm telling you, I was just hooked
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  Speaker 1: from that day for it is all I could think about. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I think I probably told most of the kids at
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  Speaker 1: my school that I actually shot that deer, which I
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  Speaker 1: did not. And and it was just after that, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I just I was just fascinated with the white tails.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I did like science fair projects on white
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  Speaker 1: tailed deer movement, and you know, like we'd be sitting
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  Speaker 1: a social studies class and I'd have North American white
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  Speaker 1: tail and that in that book. Instead of actually paying
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  Speaker 1: attention and doing the things I probably should have been doing. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but I just got I just got bit with the bug.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know the white tail. The white tail
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  Speaker 1: is just a you cannot you cannot tell me that
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  Speaker 1: there's more magnificent of an animal than a white tail.
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  Speaker 1: I just have a hard time believe in that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. There's something about him. It's uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to shake it once you get the bug.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny you said the magazines and social study class.
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  Speaker 1: That is literally I may have read my deer hunt
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  Speaker 1: magazines and all my classes, but for whatever reason, I
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  Speaker 1: remember specifically getting in trouble in a social studies class.
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  Speaker 1: I was sitting in the back row of my high school.
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  Speaker 1: It would have been my junior year, I think, and
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  Speaker 1: my buddy, uh Josh Hilly or two people know is
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  Speaker 1: further was sitting next to me, and I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to get him into deer hunting at that point, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking showing him deer and deer hunting in North
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  Speaker 1: American white tail magazines in the back of class, and
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  Speaker 1: we got called out and yelled at. And that one
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  Speaker 1: sticks with me. So that's hut that yeah, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think so. Um so it sounds like that obsession in
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  Speaker 1: high school is definitely still going for you. Now I
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  Speaker 1: heard you say that you try to do at least
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  Speaker 1: one thing whitetail related every day. Um, what would you say?
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  Speaker 1: Is that accurate still? And if so, what did you
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  Speaker 1: do today or what do you plan on doing the
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  Speaker 1: next day or two? Well, Um, yesterday I was sitting
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  Speaker 1: trail cameras UM for a big portion of the day,
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  Speaker 1: and um, you know, today I was I was actually
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  Speaker 1: coming back from a UM job site, and UM, I
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  Speaker 1: noticed a piece of ground, UM that just looked really
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  Speaker 1: really good, really you know, had the good cover you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know what a big white tail would. And I
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  Speaker 1: literally pulled over at the next gas station and started,
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  Speaker 1: you know, buzzing through onyx UM trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: who owned that piece, and and then did the what
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  Speaker 1: we all like to do was Okay, there's that guy,
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  Speaker 1: So now I'm going to look him up on Facebook
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to start doing you know and just
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  Speaker 1: trying to have any mutual friends and like trying to
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  Speaker 1: That's that was what I was doing today. Has that
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  Speaker 1: ever worked for you? Have you ever been able to
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  Speaker 1: have a random drive by and connect the dots and
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  Speaker 1: get permission or something for sure, any any any trick
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  Speaker 1: to it that you think help that workout or is
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  Speaker 1: just getting lucky. A mutual friend is tremendous. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that can be um in itself. If you have that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that foot in the door, that can go
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  Speaker 1: a long way. And actually last year I ended up
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  Speaker 1: I got a piece that was it was just that, UM,
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  Speaker 1: we had a mutual friend and and by the time
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  Speaker 1: I tracked them all down and I had called her
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  Speaker 1: and I said, hey, I know this is completely random,
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  Speaker 1: but um, and I mentioned the guy's name. She's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how do you know him. I'm like, well, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: But and then it led to that and then probably
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  Speaker 1: over the course of about three weeks or so, UM,
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  Speaker 1: I finally ended up with getting a permission slot. That's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like one of the biggest things there is
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  Speaker 1: just like there's there's there's some number of people that
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  Speaker 1: I want to get more permission, and then there's a
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  Speaker 1: smaller number of people that are thinking about it a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And I think this is a really important subgroup of
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  Speaker 1: people and that they're thinking about constantly getting that access
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  Speaker 1: and then you know, take it that newt step further
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  Speaker 1: like you did, Like you saw something that looks good,
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  Speaker 1: you looked it up. You try to, you know, drill
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  Speaker 1: down to other contacts and making it work. That seems
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  Speaker 1: to be something that is consistent among a lot of
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  Speaker 1: really good deer hunters is obsession with access, keeping on
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  Speaker 1: getting new permission, falling up on leads. Um, I've been
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  Speaker 1: I've had periods where I'm good at it, periods where
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  Speaker 1: I'm not as good at it. But it seems like
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  Speaker 1: those guys and girls that are constantly thinking and adding
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  Speaker 1: to their to their list of spots, that that's never
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  Speaker 1: a bad thing, don't you think, I mean, you can
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  Speaker 1: never have too many good spots? Yeah, because I mean, um,
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  Speaker 1: things just constantly change, and and you never want to
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  Speaker 1: get you never want to be stuck into limited you know,
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  Speaker 1: yourself to just a couple of couple of pieces of property,
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  Speaker 1: because maybe the caliber deer that you're looking for is
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  Speaker 1: not on those pieces that maybe you've been hunting for years,
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  Speaker 1: and um, I just want to make sure that you know,
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  Speaker 1: going into each and every season, I have the the
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  Speaker 1: caliber of buck that um I'm I'm looking for it.
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  Speaker 1: And it gets and that gets harder as I get
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  Speaker 1: older and more further into this, UM. Because let's face it,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I don't care if you're in Ohio or Iowa
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  Speaker 1: or wherever you're at. You know, one fifty plus deer
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  Speaker 1: is just they're hard. They're hard to find, and and
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  Speaker 1: UM that that but that's the challenge, and that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I enjoy. I do like that part of it.
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  Speaker 1: So you're getting pick here and pickier. It sounds like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, every years many people do, they get higher
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  Speaker 1: and higher expectations or goals. And now you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: find buck of a certain caliber. Like that when you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to find new places, or when you're driving down
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  Speaker 1: the road and you see something and then you look
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  Speaker 1: at the map, what kind of criteria is it that
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  Speaker 1: you are looking for that makes you think, oh, that
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  Speaker 1: could be the kind of spot that has the type
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  Speaker 1: of buck I'm after. Now, like, how do you find
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  Speaker 1: that exceptional property? UM? I think the biggest thing is cover. UM.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the nastier it looks, the more I'm attracted
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  Speaker 1: to it. UM. And I've had some experiences over the years,
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  Speaker 1: and I think a lot of guys have gone through this.
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  Speaker 1: We go through you know, I have you know, some
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  Speaker 1: properties that you know I can I can do a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things too. I can put food plots in
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  Speaker 1: and I can do some um some hinge cutting those
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  Speaker 1: types of things. Um. I've gotten access to pieces over
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  Speaker 1: the years where I've went in and thought, man, this
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  Speaker 1: is a killer piece, and maybe I had it for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years. I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna put
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  Speaker 1: all these food plots in it and everything else. And
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  Speaker 1: I actually made the some of these, some of these farms,
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  Speaker 1: I'm hurdle, to be honest with you, instead of I
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  Speaker 1: took away too much cover and the and some of
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  Speaker 1: the best pieces I think I've ever hunted are just
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  Speaker 1: nasty pieces. And I think that's where the older mature
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  Speaker 1: deer tend to light because I've gotten I've got access
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  Speaker 1: to a couple of pretty good sized farms that have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of big open timber on them, and they're
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  Speaker 1: to pieces, and they're just not nearly as good as
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  Speaker 1: this ten acre piece that is just nasty. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that seems to be. That seems to just just draw
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  Speaker 1: them in. Now here's something my buddy Andy and I
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  Speaker 1: were talking about this the other day. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: that you find the big old nasty buck in that
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  Speaker 1: thick stuff because that big old nasty buck sought that
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  Speaker 1: out and wanted to find the thickest, nastiest stuff to
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  Speaker 1: stay alive. Or was that a buck that just happened
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  Speaker 1: to grow up there and because it was thick and
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  Speaker 1: nasty he survived to become big and old. H I
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: think he could go both ways, Um, I think. But
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I also think too that you know, you say, you
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: say you have this twenty piece ands thick and nasty
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and you go in there and you you
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: kill that target buck. Um because it is so good
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and because the spot is so bullet proof. Um, when
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: it comes to a deer being able to escape you,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I think another deer just moves right in. Another mature
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: deer a lot of times will to move right into
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: one of those spots. But I don't know. I've seen
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: it both ways, um, because I've I've grown deer on
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: some places, and then I've also had places where, um,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I've killed a buck and another buck moved right in. Yeah,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: it seems that that thick stuff like that is is
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: in my experience, has always been a really good starting point.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Like if you find that you know, you're in the general,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: You're in the ballgame. But then something I've kind of
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: gone back and forth with throughout my deer hunting journey
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: has been figuring out what's the next step, Like, what's
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: like how do you work with that chunk of betting
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: area or that swamp or that thicket or whatever it is.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: At times I always thought, leave it untouched, don't go
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: in there, don't spook the deer, don't blow them out,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: hunt of the edges. And then other times I've started thinking,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: maybe I need to get more aggressive, Maybe I should
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: be pushing in there, Maybe I should be you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I've kind of waffled and tried different things, and sometimes
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: they work, sometimes they don't. And I heard you telling
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: a story recently kind of similar to this, where you
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: had gotten permission I think on a small property and
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a small thick area, and you, at this time, I
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: think it was earlier in your deer hunting um career
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: journey or whatever you you were afraid to go in
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: there because you've always kind of heard some of the
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: things I did, which which was don't blow them out,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: don't spook those deer um. But then your your friend
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Andre de Quisto, who a lot of us know from
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: from Lone Wolf and all the different things he's done.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: He told you to go in there and and walk it,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: blow that deer right out of his bed if he
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: had to. Um, can you tell me a little bit
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: about that experienced that story and and what you learned
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: from that? Was it was andre right? Was that the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: right thing to do? Yeah? For sure? For sure it
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: was because in years past I would have never done that,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: because I would have I would have just given that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: deer that and would have started on the edges and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: tried to catch that deer um and not knowing that
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: piece either. Um, that was the other tough part of it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: So remember I remember I got access to that piece,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and I knew there's two good there's actually two good
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: bucks on that piece. How you know that? I? So,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of guys like the scout. A
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: lot of guys like to scout in the in the
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: evenings in glass Fields. I don't like the scout in
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the evenings because I'm kind of an early bird. Plus
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like I draw a lot of unwanted attention
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: by my you know, by a park truck with a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: set of binoculars. Hanging out to the driver's side. Um. So,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I tend to go early, um, then late.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I don't do I don't glass as much as I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: used to. But um but I told him about it,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and he said, you just you need to just you
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: need to just go in there, don't care, just learn
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: a piece. And when you jump that deer up, then
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you you know, we're in the general vicinity where he
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: is it likes to be at this moment in time.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And it was like August, I think, And I remember
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: going in there and bumping that deer out of his
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: bed and and him escaping, and and and I just
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I still had this whole thought in my head. I'm like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what did I Yeah, And I remember
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: just like still cringing over that was like I don't
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: know about that. But I had my way with that
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: property at that point, and I was able just to
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: do whatever I wanted and scout every bit of it,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: even though it was August and it was ninety degrees
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: out and you know, you're, you know, dealing with the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: ticks and the mosquitoes and everything else. But I knew
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: how everything laid in there, and I could see a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: lot of the old sign from from the year before,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and and that just that just played out, you know perfect.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I never caught up with that deer until um, I
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: actually killed that deer the first week of gun season
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: with my bow. Um we can, we can bow hunt
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: during our gun season and I don't. I don't gun hunt,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: so um it took me a minute to catch back
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: up to him. But there was a lot of things
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I hadn't I had encounters with that deer
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: prior to that that I probably wouldn't ever had if
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I had ever done that. And when that deer moved,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: he that deer left that farm for a little bit
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: in November, and when he showed back up, I I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: set in my truck and UM watched that deer for
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: two evenings in a row, and I just didn't have
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the wind where I where I wanted to be. And
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: soon as the wind switched on that third day, I
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: went in there and killed him. Did he do so
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: he did the same kind of thing, or did he
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: did he use the wind differently? Because this is something
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I'm always trying to do too, is is see historical
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: movements and then when the wind gets right for you,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: go in there. But then the deer doesn't show up.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And then I wondered to myself, well, did they not
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: show up because I waited for the wind that worked
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: for me? Um? What what was the scenario for you?
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: It was kind of one of those you know, one
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: of those winds where you're you're splitting the hairs. And
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I've always you know, Roger Roth I wrote about that
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: in his books and in his book White Tail Magic
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: years ago, and um, you know, it was hunting that
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: edge wind and um, and you know, I call it
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: flirting with disaster. That's what I call it, because you're
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: on the edge of making it happen or not. And
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that was the wind that I had had. There was
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: a little more of On the first two nights that
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I came out, it was a little more of a
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: southeast to it, and the night that I that I've
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: killed him, it was more a little more of the
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: south southwest. So he still had it. I think he
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: had that false sense of security and and the confidence
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: of moving through that area. But I was just, you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I was just on that edge and just flirting with
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: disaster basically, And then it worked. That That taught me
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a lot, right then, Yeah, on the wind perspective. You're saying, Yeah,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: that that really like opened my eyes, Um, because I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: had heard that before and then I when I read
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that in Rogers book, Um, it made sense, you know.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, yeah, I get that. I
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: was always just like bumping that deer out of that
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: bed that time. I was always nervous about I was
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: always too nervous about getting busted. And I think that's
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the biggest problem. You know, Sometimes you have to get uncomfortable.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And I guess what I mean is you have to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: you have to use some of those strategies and get
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: out of your comfort little box that we all like
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to get and and stay in. And and sometimes that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: that just hurts you. Um, as far as trying to
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: kill big deer, you have to try some new things. Yeah.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: But man, like you said, you are flirting with a disaster,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and and how many times do you do it where
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: it is disaster and it's not. You know, That's the
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: tough thing is that it is it's so hard to
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: pull off. I constantly, I constantly find myself trying to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: do that same thing. But it's right, It's it's easier
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: said than done in most cases. Um, because there's there's
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: so many little things that can go wrong, and you
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: have to have everything go right to get that shot.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could pick the right wind. You could
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: pick it so he feels comfortable coming out. You could
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: pick it so that you don't think he's gonna pass
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: where your wind is blowing, and you could still be
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: in a position where he'll come through and think he's safe,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: but he won't realize you're there within shooting range. But
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: then one dough could do the wrong thing and she
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: slips there and blows everything out. I mean, how do you, like,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: what are some of the things you do to try
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to minimize that risk. I don't know. I'm constants. It's
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: a constant struggle for me, Like are there any tricks
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you've found? Are there any things that you're thinking about,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: like to take it to the next step to actually
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: make that flirty with disaster work More times than not,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I think it's more of just one big thing is
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: structure and terrain. Um those things will you know, and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: maybe you have some fallen trees, or maybe there's a
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: big you know, uh, drop off from a creek, or
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: or maybe it's a pond or what you know, those
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: things help a lot when when you can use some
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. Um, and and then other times it's um,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: cross your fingers and hope this works, because sometimes it's
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: a one shot deal. And there's been times where I've
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: had deer come in where the gig is up but
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: my arrows already coming. Yeah, it's he's he's gonna bust
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: your right when you shoot him. Yeah. Yeah, I mean
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: just being right on that edge of of you know,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: blowing it all up. I killed I killed a deer. Um.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It's been I don't know, probably seven eight years ago.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: He's actually on one of our White Teledictions episodes and um,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: he's a big white ten and he had some split
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: brows and a little like drop or something at the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: at one of his basis that deer. I knew of
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that deer for a couple of years and and the
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: night that I decided, okay, this is it. I'm going
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: in to kill this deer tonight. Um, I had Can
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I put time out on you? Yeah, all right, I'm
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a jerk for doing this, But you gotta tell me
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: before you keep going. You gotta tell me how you
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: knew it was the night to go kill him? Okay, well,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I was watching some cameras and and I just kind
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: of I stayed out. And that's the other thing. You
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: just you have to be patient, you know. You you
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: only have just a couple shots at at these bucks sometimes,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and and I just kind of set back and kind
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: of let my cameras do the work. And then there
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: was a lot of times too, like I would just
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: maybe glass from far see if the deer was coming
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: out to the field or whatever, but he was he
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: was never actually had a food plot in there, and
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: he was never he was never making into that food
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: plot until after dark. Well, I'd seen I'd stepped back
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: from observation stand and I could see some big rubs
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: that were coming out, and I had a general idea
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: just knowing the property about where the deer was. Well,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I went in there and just poked around one day
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: and there was a couple There was a hedge apple
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: tree in there, and there was a pear tree. And
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that pear tree has never dropped any pairs since that day.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the deal is on that that tree,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: but it was loaded that year and and I just thought,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: he's he's staging up in here, he's hanging out before
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: he makes it the rest of the way out. But
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: what I noticed from the camera, like when he had
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: a win that was not in his favor, he was
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: showing up to three hours after dark. When he had
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: a win in his favor, he was making making it
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: in there and shooting and shooting light. And this was
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: like October eight or so October nine, and I just
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: kind of hung out and just kind of waited for
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: this to happen, and the deer not showed up. He
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: had a couple of days in a row where he
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: showed up well after dark and the wind was switching.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, if the wind switches that direction, he
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: might show up in early. And I'm like, I just
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: have to take a chance because he'll have that wind
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to his advantage as long as it doesn't lay down
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: too much in the evening to create that swirl, because
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I swear once you get under five miles an hour,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: it's like and you just don't know. I mean, you're
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: really risking a lot. I slid in there, hung my set,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and that that was the only deer I've seen that
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: whole entire evening, and he came out, and I probably
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: watched that deer for eighty yards or so, And I'm
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: not kidding you. He literally would walk five yards, stop, listen,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: look around, and just repeat. And he did that for
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: eighty yards. Like he absolutely wore me out. How was
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: so you you mentioned that the wind had shifted to
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: be in his favor? Can you use that as an
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: example to talk about how you positioned your stand because
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: young hung a new set that day. It sounds like, so,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: how did you how did you use the way you
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: thought he would use the wind and the way you
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: were to use the wind to make it work? Like
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: what was this paint that picture? I guess so I had, um,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: so where the apple and where the apple and pear
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: tree the apple tree was, there wasn't very many apples
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: in their left on that there's a ton of parents left.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: There was two big blowdowns, and I felt like he
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: wouldn't come behind those blowdowns, um, just because he would
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: end up, um, he would lose too much of of
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: control of being able to scent check something for danger.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: So I got myself just on the one side of
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: those where it was going to kind of force him
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: to come up and around. But you know, but just
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: where it was almost like where those blowdowns where like
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: my son, my son was going to go right down
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: those blowdowns and he was just gonna come right through
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the front. Now, obviously that's what I played in my
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: head and thought was gonna work. It did work that way,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't always. Um, And and it kind of
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: forced him to come right around. And at one point
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I the deer almost acted like and maybe with me
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: being a little paranoid from watching him that long, but
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: it almost seemed like he caught a little bit of me. Um.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: But then he calmed back down and then and then
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: moved through. So that structure kind of kind of helped
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: that deer kind of it forced him through where I
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: wanted him. Um, It's that makes sense, yeah, and it does.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: It's it's one of those things. Um, I'm always looking
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: for that. And when you find something like if it's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the blowdowns, or if it's a river or a creek
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: or a big drop off ditch or something like that,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: it's great. And then I just it seems like, for
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, with my luck, whenever I want to find
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: something like that, I'm in like the most wide open
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: flat terrain with nothing special, It's gonna help me work
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: it out. In too many doughs or something like that.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: So that's, uh, it's it's always tricky, but that that puzzle,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I guess is what what makes it so interesting. Yeah,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: because you never know, I mean, and you have to
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you have to try stuff, and you have to be
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: you know, trust me, I've I've blown. I've blown some
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: pretty good opportunities or or um, you know, I've gotten
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you know, busted before they ever, you know, made it
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: to me to be able to get a shot. But um,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: if you don't take any chances ever, you're you're you're
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: taking a lot of opportunities away from yourself from filling tags. Well,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: it seems like that's something that's kind of consistent with
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: with some of the guys that that you that you
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: hang out with. It seems like, I mean, for example,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: andre Quisto, he's one of those people that a lot
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: of us have listened to some of the things he
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: said that that sounded like super aggressive, you know, going
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: there and like like you like he told you that
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: one day, like going there and blow him out of
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: his bed, or you know the infamous bumping dump kind
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of tactic that I've heard him talk about. Um, I
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: mean his that has has that mindset is that something?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Is that a mindset that he has helped you developed too?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Or or or how do you or or Andre or
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: any of those guys? How do you? How do you?
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm trying to stay here. Just
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm trying to say, is how do you
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: walk that line? How do you know when to get aggressive?
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: How do you do it the right way? I don't
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: know what's your thoughts on that general issue. So I think, Um,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I never I don't get aggressive, like right off the bat.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: You know, I let some things kind of happen. And
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: if I can kill a deer on an edge of
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: a field or a food plot or whatever it may,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: maybe you know, I'll go the safer route. Um. But
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I also I also get a little bit of I know,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: sometimes I only have two or three hunts, and I
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: gotta you know, I just know that a deer is
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: gonna figure me out. Um. I've I've got down out
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: of a tree before and stuck a trail camera right
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: on a tree before in video mode, just to see. Man,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: you know what, I wonder if he's deer, you know,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: you see a big dough and she cuts your tracks
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: and she and she trails you like a coon dog
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: right through the tree. I always wonder, like at night,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: turey I leave, does this happen? And I've I've stuck
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: a camera on a tree before, and and pad dear
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that I was that I was hunting at the time,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: trail me to my tree breaking. Yeah, So you're like, so,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I you know, it's all situational. You have to follow
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: your gut of when to get aggressive or when to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: set back and try to hunt those edges and and
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: let things happen that way. Um. I the rut. You know,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: by the time I get to October or so, I
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: start getting antsy like a big old buck because I'm like,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: oh god, I don't have that deer down yet. And
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I start getting a little like I know what's going
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: to happen. He's going to he's gonna get up on
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: his feet and he's going to start searching other properties.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Somebody else is gonna kill him, get by a car. Um.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: So when I start getting at that time frame, UM,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of times I'm just like I'm just gonna
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: go for broke. You know, I screwed up and screwed
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: up because he's gonna leave the property and be all
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: over the place anyways, So it's it's either now or never.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: When's the last time ahead? So that no, I was
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: just I was just gonna say, so sometimes that's when
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: that's when that kind of triggers me to to get
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: much more aggressive and and start trying to kill those
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: deer more in their bedrooms. So I was gonna say,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: when's the last time you swung for the fences like that?
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: And it paid off. Um actually this past year. Ah,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: It's funny because uh myself and uh Andre and Cody
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: and a few of us have talked about this before.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know where this was ever, wherever this was
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: wrote and why this ever become a big, you know,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: hot topic, but of not Honey Mornings in October it
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, you can't do that, you know. It's
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: like somebody said that, and that was like, and I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: think there's some truth to that, but I also think that, um,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: you can. You can kill a good buck two in
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the mornings. And this past year, the deer that I
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: that I was hunting and he got really he you know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I sat back and all of a sudden, I just
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I see this, dear, and he's getting super active in
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the morning. And it was like mid October cameras, you're
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: seeing that. Yeah, yeah, just from trail cameras. And I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: see this, dear, and he's just he's getting super active
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: in the morning and I and I typically would probably
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: wait a little bit, but I'm like, you know what
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: that cameras, I mean, it's not lying to you. I mean,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: this deer is walking in broad daylight in the mornings,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: and and he was working some scrapes um next to
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: a little food plot that I had, and um, yeah,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: and there was another one of those times is like
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: this is this is when you've got to be aggressive
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: and like come out of your your comfort zone and
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: get in there and try to kill the deer. And
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I went in there and I hunted the deer one
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: time and killed him. Um. So, so those morning hunts
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: in October, like you said, notoriously taboo, and and like
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: you said, it seems like sometimes for a good reason,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: because they can be tricky. I've been really gun shay
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: about that tour, about those mornings too, But it seems
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: like if you if you've got the right situation and
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: you do the right things, you can pull it off
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: without spooking him on the way in or whatever. Can
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: you can you just how you actually got in there
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: and set up without blowing them out, because it's just
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: so many times as mature bucks seemed to come back. Now,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I know your cameras are telling you he wasn't coming
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: back early, But how did you get in there? Was
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: it a hanging hunt in the morning? How did you
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: pull all that off? So it was a hanging hut
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: in the morning. Um. And I was actually set up
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: in a big pine tree, and so my access in
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: that place is is really really good. Actually, I jump,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I jump a fence and walk with the horses in there.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: And these horses, these horses will typically like walk right
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: with me in there, so it kind of, you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: it kind of covers up everything that's going on. And
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I just walk with the horses all the way down.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: And then I just jumped the fence and it's literally
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: from where the horses are to that tree is thirty
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: arts maybe, and I can slide right in and get
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: set up. Um. And you know, I only use a
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: couple of sticks because with those you know, those pine trees,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: there's so many branches and and um, so I end
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: up using a bunch of branches and stuff like that,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: so there's not a lot of that time and then
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: just throw the stand in. So the access, you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the axis is so so key in that spot and
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: being able to to get in there um in the morning.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: If that deer was doing that on another farm where
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't have that kind of access, I don't know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: you know, I might have thought different. I might have said, Okay,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: well let me see, I'll let things develop more for
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the evenings. But that moon phase, UM, which I'm a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: pretty big believer in the moon in the moon phase
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: of dictating a lot of deer when they when they moved,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I think weather trump's everything. But uh, you know, coming
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: off of that full moon, UM, on the back side
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: of those full moons, seemed like the mornings are just
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: really good and they're just really the deer just really active.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what was going on that morning. And
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: and I do believe that's what had him on his feet,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: UM because prior to that, probably five six days prior
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to that, the we had a good rising moon and
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: he and and he got real active for like two
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: days um in the in the evenings, and I was
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: out of town on a work trip and I had
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: a cell came in there and it was taken and
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I'm getting these pictures and I'm like, oh my gosh,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I'm about to leave this work trips. The downside of
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: those cell cameras, Yeah, d your nuts. So I know so,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, I just couldn't you know the fact
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: that every all the kids. And the other thing too,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: was it was one of the it was one of
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the first good cold fronts of October. And those first
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: cold fronts of October, like that first one, that's just
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: always killer. So you gotta you gotta elaborate on your moon,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: on your moon and stuff a little bit more. Do
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: you feel do you pretty much follow the Red Moon
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Moon Guide uh theory verbatim? Or do you have any
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: kind of angles on it that make you particularly excited
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: about certain days or times or anything like that. How
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: do you use that? You know, I do believe in
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: that whole. I do believe in the Moon Guide and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: all that. I do think there's a lot of truth
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: in that. And Adam Hayes that actually he was turned
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: turned me onto it years ago. Oh when White Televiicitions
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: was you know, first starting off, and I remember, you know,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that being brought up then and um, I think you
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: have about four days four to five days prior to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: a full moon that is just killer in the evenings,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: and then there's about a three day span um when
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: that full moon is going on it just doesn't seem
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: to be that great. And then you got about four
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: or five probably four days um roughly after that full moon,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: and it just seems like the evening or the mornings
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: are just really really good. And I like when when
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you're coming off the back side of that full moon,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a great time to slip in and
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: hunt a buck in a bed, just because they're gonna
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: be getting back late and you have you actually have
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: a chance of getting in there and beating them in
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: and and um and killing them on the way back. End. Yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: it seems like it seems um that that approach right
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: there with the moon is just another one of those
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: sets of criteria that points right back to what we're
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier, like when do you swing for the fences?
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: When do you not? And you mentioned sometimes the trail
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: camera data, sometimes it's the moon, or sometimes, like you
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: said earlier, weather Trump's all but best case scenarios when
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: all three combined, right, Like when you see all those
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: things all meshing and pointing towards Wow, tomorrow, all these
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: things line up. That's at least for me, when I
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: get like the jitters, I can't sleep the night before,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: when I'm getting geared up that day, I'm just like pumped.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I'm already sweating, Like those are the Knights, Like I know,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: this is the killing Knight, this is the killing day,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. Um, those are my very favorite parts
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: of the season. When you have that anticipation and I
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: think a lot of things that you just said there too,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: it's at confidence. You're going into that hunt with that confidence.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: And I think when you're confident and you're set up
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and you're scouting, I think that's just so I don't know,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: you're as a mindset and it just it just puts
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: you in the game. Um, because if you're setting there
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: and your second guess and your stuff yourself, then you
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: probably should get down. Yeah, that's not a good place
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: to be that mindset you mentioned. That's that's an interesting thing. Um.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've had tremendous amount of consistent success. Uh,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: your buddies like Andre or Heath or Cody or Adam has.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: All these guys are all consistently getting it done. Um,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and in a lot of different places too. So it's
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: not like you can't just say, oh, it's just because
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: they hunted acre farm with huge bucks all time. You're
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: getting done different kinds of places in somewhat different kinds
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: of ways. I gotta believe mindset is one of the
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: things that's probably consistent within you know, a lot of
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: you guys. If you had to kind of describe some
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: aspects of what that mindset is or what some of
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: these consistent things are that that maybe you and your
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: buddies all have in common, that you've learned from Andre
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: or anything, that what would you think those things are
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: that kind of set those elite deer hunters apart from
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: your average ho home. Um. I think just having so
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: much confidence and you're scouting that you just truly believe
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: in your head that when you go in, you don't
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: you never just sit to sit, Like when you go
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: and you set you truly believe that you're going to
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: kill the deer that you're after that night. Um. I'm
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: so I'm a busy guy, um with work and family
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: and everything, and like I don't you know, you know,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I have a young son and and I don't want
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: to miss out on some of those things, you know,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: with my family and stuff like that, because I'm just
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: going out to set to set when I I when
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I go to set, I go to kill. And I
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: think that's exactly the way that those guys think about
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: it as well. They have done every bit of scouting
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: that they can possibly think of doing and put a
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: lot of different factors in their favor, from the wind
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: to the moon to a cold front or all those
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: things that when they go in, I think all I
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: think every one of those guys, as you mentioned, I
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: think they go in and I'm killing the steer tonight,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: and that's it. So that's scouting. How do you? How
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: do you? How do you scout the right way to
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: get you to that point? How do you? What are
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: some of the things that you're doing? And I know
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: you've mentioned some of that already, but if you had
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: to like describe how to scout in such a way
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: to give you that bulletproof confidence, what are some of
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: those very most important things? Because I think when people
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: here scouting, your new hunter might think, oh, walk through
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the woods, and if I see a rub cool, I'm
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: gonna hunt that. But then when I talked to some
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: of those elite hunters, it's a different level. I'm kind
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: of curious what that different level looks like for you.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: You know. Typically, Well, if I'm speaking of here at
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: home in Ohio, UM, I put a lot of eggs
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: in my back in that basket of shooting a good
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: buck in October or late season. I am not shot
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of bucks in November here. I just haven't.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I haven't had a lot of luck with it, and
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: that I tend to to leave and go out of
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: out of state. But I do so much in regards
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: to learning the deer that i'm that I'm after a
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: lot of times. I know of these bucks for several years.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: The buck I killed this past year, I knew for
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: three years. The deer that I killed in two thousand
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: and eighteen, I knew of that buck for four years.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: So I had a lot of information. And I think,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: like a lot of guys do these days, keeping very
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: detailed troll camera records, paying close to attention to dates. Um,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I tend to see a lot of deer, uh do
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the same things and the same dates on the same locations. UM.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: And I also look for that sign that was left
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: from the year before, and in as far as maybe
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: it's big rubs or maybe it's at one scrape that
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: got opened back up again, UM, and knowing that that
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: deer had did that same thing the year before, and
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: UM and knowing my farms UM to be able to
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: manipulate that situation to use all those all those scouting
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: tools against that deer. UM. If that makes sense. I mean,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: it's kind of the way I do it. I use
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of cameras. I think last year. I think
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I ran about cameras last year and how many unlike
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: a I don't know if we're saying, ah, per hundred
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: acres or per forty acres or something like that, Like
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: what kind of density of cameras in a small area
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: do you run, um, say it's a fifty acre farm,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I might have you know, maybe before okay, maybe four
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: or five something like that. And some of those cameras
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: that I put out, and you know, some of them
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I put out like really early, and I just I
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: don't a lot of times they just soaked and I
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: never go in there and mess with them or anything,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: just because of where maybe they're at UM, depending on
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: the situation. UM. And then I will at the you know,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: seasons over, I'll go in there and pull that SD
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: card and then UM and dig and dig through it
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: and start building the folder for you know, certain books
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: and what they were doing and at certain times and
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah, it's something that I've done a
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: little bit and trying to do more of two. But
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: it brings up a good question or something that I
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: wondered a lot about, which is UM doing what you're
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: describing there when you are targeting a specific buck and
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: trying to learn that buck and kind of build up
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: that portfolio of information like you described something like I've
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: kind of fallen into a rut a little bit with
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: my cameras where I know this, this is some properties
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: that I know already. I know good places to get pictures.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: I kind of use them just to keep tabs on
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: kind of inventory of are these bucks still around? They're
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: They're safe spots to get to. I can easily come
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: in and out. I'm not blowing things up, UM, But
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I have not used cameras as much to try to
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: micro pattern a specific buck on a specific gear UM
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: like some guys do. Some people will take their cameras
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: and keep moving them. Every time they see a buck
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: or every time they get new pictures, they kind of
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: tighten the noose to the cameras. How do you go
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: about with your placement? Are you doing kind of like
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: the the safe inventory or do you move them around
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: to try to fine tune what that buck is doing? Um?
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: What are you doing there? Um? Typically? I typically I
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: don't move them a lot. Typically I'm getting what I
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: want UM already. Unless I see a deer from Afar
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: and I not gotten a picture of that deer or
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: something like that, then maybe, UM, you know, maybe I
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: might move a camera. But even then, a lot of
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: times if I see a deer from Afar and then
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: my next move is slide over there and killing um
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: instead of trying to go over there, and you know, um,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: booker up the spot by putting in a camera or
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: something like that. UM. Typically, yeah, I do. I do
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: make a lot of I like mox scrapes. I think
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: they work great. UM And especially when you know being
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: able to um you get inventory or um you know
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: something along those lines. UM. What's been a real big
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: tool for me for the last probably three years is
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I have one of the electric bike, and that's been
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: a huge because I can literally fly around these these
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: farms and nothing ever knows I'm there because my feet
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: are even hit the ground. I mean, there's a lot
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: of times I won't even let my feet hit the
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: ground because I'll just pull right up and grab ahold
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: of a you know, tree with my with my gloves
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: on and pull an SD car out and boom, I'm I'm,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm taking off again. That's actually that's helped me too,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: And in regards to being able to hunt stands multiple times,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: because before it was, you know, the first time in
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: was the best time. And well now, um, I don't
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: think those deer and they're not cutting my back trail anymore.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Um I've killed a couple of bucks with the with
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: my bike at the base of my tree. Really, that's funny.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this earlier today, was kind
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: of debating internally are the e bikes worth it? Are they?
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Is it just a fat is it? You know? Is it?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, is it all it's cracked up to be.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: I've I've bounced back and forth. I've certainly seen or
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: I understand the concept. The fact that you know, not
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: having your boots hit in the ground is gonna be
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: a good thing. And it seems to me that you know,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: rolling through on a bike is gonna be less less
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: concerning to a deer probably then seeing or hearing the
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: footsteps of a person. Would you say that, you know,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: those are the things that are making it so useful,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: And it kind of said you kind of said this
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: made a big difference, but you you're bought in. Huh.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I can ride right by dear better betted on that bike.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: And one thing I I have noticed, it's funny. I
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: can ride right by deer that are bedded on that
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: bike and as long as I don't stop or make
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: a much eye contact. You know, if I really jerk
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: my head around, they don't seem to like that and
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: they get up or if I slow up or stop,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I mean they're going to get up a move. But
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of times I can
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: slide right by them. Um they stay betted. They you know,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: maybe it's three or four does better on a fence
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: row or something like that, and I can just go
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: right by them where maybe in years past they would
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: get up, take off and run into where the deer
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: that I'm trying to kill is and then you know
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: he's not coming out. Then if you know you've got
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: stuff like that going on. Um. And the other thing
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: is is like getting in and out of those tree
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: stand like big part of it is is how many
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: times have you walked in in mid October and it's
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: a little warm out and by the time you get there,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: you've worked up a good little lather that bikes like
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: an air conditioning unit. Yeah, that's a good point. It's
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: a means tempting. Yeah, I I I love mine. Lind's
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: a huge And the other part of it is too, um.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: You know you have if you have a family, and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: you know sometimes we're limited on time. Sometimes the things
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: that might take us, say you're going to go check
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: trail cameras that day or or whatever it is, um,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: or maybe you're gonna go over and just scout out
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: something real quick. I can do it in half the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: time now and be home, um, spending my time or
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: more wisely, I've gotten done everything I wanted to in
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: the white Tail Woods, but now I'm back home, you know,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: spending time with my family. Yeah, it's all about efficiency.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: What do you think about impact from an e bike
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: compared to like an a TV or a UTV or
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: driving up with your truck and checking a camera. Do
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: you feel like it's even less of an impact than
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: something like that. I think driving up on a truck,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I just don't think. I don't think that bothers them
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: that much. The a t V s, I do think
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: that does bother them. I've seen it. I've I've been
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: in bedding areas hunting with deer around me, and here
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: like a t VS fire up on. Say I had
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: a lease or something like that with you know, a
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: couple of buddies or whatever, and they hear those a
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: t v s. And I'm telling you, they they do
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: not like them. They I think they've had a lot
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: of bad experiences with them, um over the years, and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: they just seem to be bothered by just to sit
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: there and watch deer that are completely bedded and comfortable
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: and to hear that a TV. Now they're on their
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: feet and they're nervous. There definitely is a stronger noise association,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: probably just because it's such an aggressive sound. I'm sure
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: they can have not They've got great ears no matter what.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: They'll hear truck too, But yeah, it does. I do
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: wonder about that. When you're rolling through on a bike,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: it just just feel stealthier, and maybe that ends up
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: being the case. Yeah, I just and it is nice
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: though when you can, you know. I know, there's times
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: where I might have some cameras out where I can
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: pull right up with my truck and literally out the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: passenger or at the driver's window, and um pull SD
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: cards And I don't think. I don't think that bothers. Um.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I know, tractors definitely don't bother them. I mean, oh
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: my god. There's times where I'm putting food plots in
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: and the deer just pouring out in the other section
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: of the food plot, you know, and um, they just
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: don't seem bothered by those, the tractors at all. Speaking
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: of that, UM, I've seen the same thing. But then
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: I've always worried. So I'm fast forward now towards the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: harvest time. I had a situation where I was chasing
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: a buck last year during the fall, and I can't
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: remember exactly, it was sometime in November, and I had
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: a situation where the farmer had picked part of the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: field but not all of it yet, and I went
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: in there for moved to the spot for the evening hunt,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: and just like two rows had been picked right in
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: the edge of the field. So I was sitting there
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: with the edge picked but still standing on the interior,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: and everything was lined up good with wind. And I
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: think I saw him the day before something, and I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: felt good that, you know, he'd be visible and would
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: come out here checking all these doughs that I thought
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: would flood into that just pick stuff. And the farmers
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: hadn't come. It was just about prime time, and I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: thought this, this is ideal. And then they showed up
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: with like an hour and a half left or something
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: like that, and they started picking in and I I've
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: seen plenty of times where dear feel pretty comfortable with
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: the with the tractors and everything, But at the same time,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen like a mature buck step out and
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: not be spooked. Once the tractor comes rolling by, you know,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: within fifty yards him, he'll bump off into the woods
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: again and they come back out late or something like that.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: So I decided, because of my positioning, I couldn't shoot
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: into the timber because there's a property line back there,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: and my only shot would be if he came into
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: the field, and I decided, you know what, with the
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: tractors moving through here, I just don't think i'll actually
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: get a shot at him. I got to move to
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: another spot where he won't be you know, if he
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: does come through, he won't be spooked by that tractor
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: circling through over and over again. So I moved, and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: then I sat there that whole time thinking maybe I
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: should have stayed. Maybe I should have stayed, because that's
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: where all the doors ended up being. Anyways, what have
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: you what have you found? As far as that? Would
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: you would you set up on a field that's getting
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: picked in November? Or would you try to get inside
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit? Um? I would probably try to get
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: inside if they're out there and during that time, and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: if they're out there, you know, driving the grain wagons
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: and filling them up and run run on the combine
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that, I would probably step back a
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: little bit because I would just in my head, I
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: would think that a mature deer would not want to
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: be out there, um during that that time frame. Um.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: But then again, I've seen where you know, it's November
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: eight or ninth, you know, and there's dose out there.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: I've seen some You know, I've seen some big bucks
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: right out there with them too before. UM. I think
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: it all has to do with the timing of the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: year of when that's you know, when that's happening, um where,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: But then the following day after that's taken place, and
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: say they they've came in and picked the beans or
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: corn or whatever, you can guarantee you that that field
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: is gonna be hot for a good little bit. You
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: can't beat that. Um. Speaking of something like that, one
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: of the things that you mentioned a little bit ago,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to go back to kind of all
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: around fresh hot inteler sign versus old sign or old
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: intel and kind of working off of annual trends or patterns.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: So I know you you've said you've seen dear do
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: the same thing year after year to a degree. Um.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: At the same time, I know I've I've heard you
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: say in folkus like Andre or Dan Infault or different
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: people get really fired up about fresh hot sign. How
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: do you think about the importance of those two things?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: You know, if you see a red hot fresh rub,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: big rub or something, is that more important to you
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: than knowing that such and such buck came through here?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: You know, two weeks earlier the last two years. Um,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: it's kind of curious what you think about the two
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: different types of sign, how that factors into your decision
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: making process. Um, I think, I mean, I'm going to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: use every part of that. You know, I'm gonna use
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: the information that maybe documented through troll cameras over the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: years of having a deer maybe moved through a certain
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: area at the same time. But uh, you know, I've
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: always been like, I've always been interested in sign and
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: big rubs. I mean that's always had me super excited.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: And you know, and I remember like years ago, always
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: you know, in scouting with my grandfather years ago. You know,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: if you can stick four fingers in there, you know, um,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: that's that's typically a good buck. And you know the
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: length of the track and and and uh you know,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: and the way maybe a certain deer's track is is shaped,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: maybe he's got a you know, maybe there's a little
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: thing there to identify that deer from years past or whatever.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: But UM, I love fresh sign. I mean, the if
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: it's red hots fresh, I mean, there's nothing better. I
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: think a lot of times guys hunt, I think a
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: lot of guys hunts sign that's just too old, Like
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: you know, that's a week or two old. Um, where
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I tend to Yeah, I look at it and and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: try to soak it in. But um, if if if
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for big rubs, you know, I want sap
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: coming out of you know, I want something. I want
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: the sap coming out of that thing and fresh you know,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: and the the fresh tracks or you know, the scrapes
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: that have just been hit or um. But I you know,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: but then again, I sometimes I'll set back a little
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: bit and watch that sign and maybe see if I
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: can see that deer and then make my move. Um.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I do a lot of observations sets um. And if
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I see a deer do something, I typically don't like
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: the let him do it again without killing him. Um.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I like to just go right in. Okay. So this
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: is another one of those things that I'm always finangling
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: with myself. Is what you just described. You see a
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: buck do something once and it's okay. Do you wait
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: to see if it's a trend or do you go
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: in there right away? It sounds like you go in
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: there right away. Um. When you tell me about how
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: you set up, do you set up as if he's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: going to do the exact same thing, or do you
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: set up with some kind of knowledge. Okay, I know
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: he came from there, but now I think because the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: wind is a tiny bit different, or because I think
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: something else. I just walked me through how you choose
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: to set up on that next day after the observation,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: because that's that's a really important move when you make
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: that that swing for the fence move. UM. I always, always,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: the wind is always the biggest factor in it all,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: whatever the wind's doing. If it's the same thing as
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: it was the day before, which is preferably what you
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: really want, because then you know he felt comfortable enough
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: to move, then then then that determines a lot of
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: how you know, how I move in. And I still
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I still go with that flirting with disaster um nine
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: times out of ten because I just seemed to I
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: see a lot more big deer on their feet by
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: using a wind that you know has something to their advantage. Um,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: And just try to get off to the you know,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: one side of that um. And and if it's not
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: the same, then I might say, Okay, I think he's
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: gonna you know, I play it out of my head
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: and I think, okay, maybe he's going to, you know,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: hook around this end um of this ridge or this
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: you know, this field edge or whatever it might be,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: and just try to think. I try to anticipate his
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: movement um basically off of just if I was him,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: what I would do. Do you do you hear something
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: I'm curious about. Do you feel like the wind direction
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: influences not just the way they're going to travel, but
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: also where they choose to bed. Because when when I'm
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: thinking through that scenario you just laid out there, the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: first thing I thought was, Okay, just like you said,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: if it's the same wind the next day, then I'm
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: going to go in there kind of thinking he'll do
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: something similar because the winds the same. If the wind
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: is different again, I would think, okay, it's a different wind,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make some assumptions he's gonna adjust a
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: little bit. But I can still take something from the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: observation yesterday, which maybe could be Okay, I know where
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: he came from, So let's say it's an evening hunt
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: and I'll make I can then assume he's probably betted
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: somewhere over there. That's the clue I'm going to take
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: away from the observation yesterday. But if it's a different wind,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: do I need to worry that maybe he betted somewhere
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: completely different because it was a different wind direction. How
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: do you feel about wind impacting that? Oh for sure.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: I mean I've seen them bed all the way. Say
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: you have a field and there's two different wood lots.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: I've seen them bed you know, uh in one wood
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: lot one day based off the wind, and then the
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: next day everything switches and their bed in a complete
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: in the in the wood lot across from the field. Um.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: I definitely, I definitely, I think that is a huge factor.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: And I you know, I think Bucks have typically I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: think they have two or three different betting areas, um,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: you know, based upon what the what the wind and
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: the train is doing. And um, you know, I think
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: they're you know, and you get into stuff, you know,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: you get into stuff with some hills and some some
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: valleys and stuff like that, and they're gonna they're gonna
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: use those those thermals to their advantage, um in a
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: in a big way too. And U uh um, yeah,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: I I totally agree with you. And I think that
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: they have several different betting areas typically. No, I don't
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: think one buck has just one bit one bed. I
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: just don't think that's possible. Yeah, Now, have you ever
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: nailed down a buck so well that you could predict, all, right,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: if I've got a south or west, he's probably gonna
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: bettered in this little area. If I've got a north
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: or east, he's probably better in this area, or anything
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: like that. Have you ever been able to nail it
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: that consistently that you could predict which general betting area
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: he's using based off a wind direction or anything. I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: would to say I can completely um, because everything it
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: seems like every time I think I have a completely
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: figured out, then I get, uh, you know, the master
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: makes me look like a fool. Yeah. Um, But yeah,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: I think I've I've come close to that, But I
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: can't say that I've ever had it so narrowed down
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: that um um that it was just a done deal
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: sort of thing, which you kind of have to work
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: as if you do right. Like this is one of
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: the things I was thinking to myself about last year.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: I started going into hunts with this idea that sometimes
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: you make assumptions like you have these clues, like you've
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: you've watched this buck and you've seen and so you
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: you go into a hunt and you assume, Okay, I think,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: because I've got a certain winter action, he's probably bettered
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: over here, or you saw him moving last night and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: he went into this food source or something. So you
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: have these different clues and you're assuming that something's going
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: to happen. I used to go into my hunts assuming
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: something would have upen or thinking something would happen. But
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: then I'd keep on trying to prepare for contingencies. So
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I think he might come out into
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: this food source, but he might go here instead, but
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: he might go here. So then sometimes i'd find myself
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: picking a tree that kind of is in the middle
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: of it, so okay, maybe he could come here and
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: maybe come here, and maybe come here. But then last year,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: I think it was I started saying, well, if you
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: do that, then you're never in the perfect place for
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: the one thing, and so if he does come through
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't do the one perfect thing, you're screwed. Um.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: So I started operating under this another idea where I
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: was I would instead going to hunt and I'm thinking
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: through these clues and I'm making assumptions. But then I'm
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: going to eventually pick what I think is the very
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: most likely thing, like my Plan A, and then I'm
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: gonna set up perfectly for Plan A and assume that's
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: the truth. So I'm gonna say, Okay, it's a south wind.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to assume he's better in this area. So
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: now I'm going to do everything perfect for that scenario.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure that there's no way my wind
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: blows in there. I'm gonna make sure there's no way
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: that something happens. I'm gonna set up in the perfect
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: tree for this scenario, um, rather than just being in
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: like a general zone because I think, well, this, this, this,
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  Speaker 1: and I can't remember where it was I heard you
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  Speaker 1: say this, but you said something very similar. You said
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  Speaker 1: that there was a shift for you when you went
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  Speaker 1: from hunting the area to hunting the tree. Is that
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: do you think through things kind of similar to what
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: I was just describing there or how do you do that? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I for sure that was a big when I first
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: started like really getting after like and I sat out
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I want to I want
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: to kill it. Pope and young Block, you know that's
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: a gross Pope and young Deer that's really what I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: want to do. And I had a climber and you know,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're so limited with those climbers. And I
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: felt like a lot of times I was just off
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: the mark because I was forced to hunt uh a
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: tree that was more like a telephone pole than aware
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: I truly needed to be. And then once I I
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: switched over and got introduced to you know that climbing
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: sticks and hang on and stuff like that, that changed
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: everything for me as far as being able to, um,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: not just see the deer that I was after, but
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: to be in the tree and and get a shot
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: opportunity at a good buck. That that changed a lot
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: of things for me as far as my success rate,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: um going going up from there. And I think a
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: lot of times we we searched for these perfect situations
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: and you know where you're not giving up anything at all, um,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: you and you just have to you just have to
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: learn to kind of live with that part of it, Like, man,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta give some stuff up here because
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: it's just I mean, that's where I need to be.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, um, they're gonna have you know these
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: you know this these deer or the I mean they're
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: gonna have some advantage um to that. Um, And that
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: just made when I started hunting the tree is when,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: you know, when my success went went way up. I
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people just fall on the run
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: of of you know, so many people out there just
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: you know, they have their ladder stands and they get
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: out there every single year and kind of hunt the
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: same spots and and a lot of guys do you
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: know they do well with that. But um, but I
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: also see a lot of those guys, you know, kill
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: a good buck every three or four years, and I
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: just I work way too hard at this to kill
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: one you know that far and few in between. I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I want to kill a good buck every
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: year if not too Yeah, do you think that you're
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: are you picking the tree? In most scenarios for you?
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Is is picking the killing tree happening in March? Or
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: is it happening on October? Um? Both? I think that's
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's both. I think a lot there's times,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: especially here where I'm I'm scouting and um, and I
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: know a lot of my farms pretty well. Unless it's
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: a new piece of ground or something like that, then um,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: if it's a new piece of ground, I won't hang
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: a stand on it at all, because I have to
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: hunt it to be able to figure that part of
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: it out. And sometimes it might take me a little
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: bit to figure that out. I feel like you need
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: sometimes a couple of years to really like dial that
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: in and say, okay, like I really really know, um,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: what's going on. But if if it's a farm I've
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: been hunting for a while and I know it based
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: off of the deer movement I've seen in the past,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: and so and so forth, and also maybe maybe there's
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: some crop rotation that year where maybe in uh a
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: year before that, or something I notice, Um, a certain
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: area was really yeah, I'll go in there and hang
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  Speaker 1: a stand and and and leave it. Um. I have
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: quite a few stands that I leave in my farms.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: But um, but then again, I also read that sign
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: and as season goes on, and and pay attention to
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: my cameras and and and make a move when I
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: need to. I mean when I when I go out
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: of state. UM, I typically never leave any stands hanging
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: anywhere on any farms I hunt out of state. I mean,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: it's a scout mid day, it's a hang it I
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: hunted that evening, I'll leave all my stuff, including my
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: bow and everything in the tree, and I come right
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: back in haunted again the next morning, and either I'm
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: in the spot and I stay put based on if
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: the winds still good for me, and if it's not,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: I just tear it back down and scout some more
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: and just repeat, repeat, repeat, until I kill a buck. Yeah.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: I've always I've I've thought, and I've sort of wished,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: but I can't quite make myself do it. But I've
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: always thought it would be pretty cool to just take
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: a season and not hunt and instead just follow someone around,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: like follow you around, follow Andre around, follow Adam around,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: and get to just kind of stand behind your shoulder
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: when you go into a scenario like that, and then
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: have you talk out loud everything you're thinking about as
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: you're walking through the woods and they're scouting session and
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: as you're you know, picking the tree, and as you're
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: sitting there in the tree that night and trying to
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: deliberate about what to do the next day. That would
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: be so fascinating. Um, I just can't give my can't
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: convince myself to give up my actual hunting. But if
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: if I did that, if I somehow convinced you to
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: allow me to walk with you in the woods hand
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: your doing your scouting midday, and you found the zone
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: and now you're going to pick the tree. Can you
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: walk me through what would be going through your mind
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: as you are trying to, like and maybe there's a
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: specific past scenario you can describe or maybe you can
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: imagine something, um, but kind of walk me through all
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: the things that are going through your mind. Is you're
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: trying to pick the killing spot, um on that day
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: on November eight or whatever it is. So um, I'm
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: just kind of thinking back on a hunt from a
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: few years ago in Iowa, and I had noticed I
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: was hunting the backside of this farm and I was
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: coming and I was I was coming out after a
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: morning hunt, and I noticed that there was some really
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: good sign up along this timber edge and had this
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: whole hillside that was just just covered and just just
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: the nastiest stuff that you could you can imagine. And
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: I remember coming out and I'm like, man, I need
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: I need to set up somewhere in here because it
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: just based off the sign and there was a couple
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: of big scrapes that I could tell that they had
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: just been hit and and just the train features and everything,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: just the way it laid, it just felt right. You know.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: It's just sometimes you just gotta, you know, go off
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: of some gut feeling too sometimes. And I don't know
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: why did this, um, but and I didn't have to
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: stand with me. I had to went back up to
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: the truck and get a stand and sticks and then
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: come back and then hunted that evening or whatever. I
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: went and hunted a completely different farm that that evening
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: because I had a stand already hung in there. So
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: I went the lazy route and and we all do
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: this at times, and I was out there. I've been like,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: I was there for about four or five days, and
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: I think I was getting kind of tired. And I
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: went back after that evening hunt, and I'm like, why
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: didn't you go over there and hang that set? You
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: saw the sign all the sign was there. And I
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: remember sitting and thinking, I'm like, you know, what if
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: the wind, if that wind, If I look at this
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: phone and that wind is coming out of the north
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: for tomorrow mornings, hunt, I got a feeling those bucks
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: are going to cruise that down one side of that
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: of that whole hillside that's just nasty. And there's gotta
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: be a ton of dose in there. And I pulled
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: that phone out. I looked at it and I thought,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: that's it. That's that's what it's doing. And I went
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: over there that morning in the dark, and I hate
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: doing hanging haunts in the dark, um because you just
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: you never know. Once you get up there, you're like, oh,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: this is great, but I can't shoot anywhere. Well that
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: light comes up, It's like, oh boy, what are we
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: gonna have? What's that? It broke up pretty good, I said.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: When it starts getting light out, you're always kind of
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: crossing your fingers, yeah, because you just you have no clue,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: um what you're gonna, you know, be dealing with. So
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: I go in there, hand to stand. I see two
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: shooters at morning, I mean two good ones, and I
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: was about eight yards off the mark and we all
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: kind of do this a little bit, and you're like, man,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: you know now I got to tear this whole thing
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: down again and move it over there. But I just
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: knew it. I had to do it, you know, I
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: just had to do the work. Well that's what I did,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: and I tore it down, slid it about yards over
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: there because the one because one of the bucks came
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: out of this ditch, and then another one later on
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: headed into that ditch, and I thought, well, I'm going
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: to catch either one of them, you know, one of
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: these two bucks, and I'd shoot either one of them.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: And so I moved that set, I did the work,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: and the that that evening, it was just a downpour
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: and I couldn't even I couldn't even hunt it if
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: I wanted to. So um, and I left everything in there,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: like I left my bow and everything in the tree.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty good about that. And and
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: so I go back in the very next morning and
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: and gets and get in that tree. And it was
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: brain pretty good even that morning when I got up
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: and I go out there, and that deer, one of
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: the deer that came out of the drainage the day before,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: he came back out of out of the drainage and
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: went up that hillside that morning, and I waited till
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: he got up. I didn't want to call to him.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: I wanted something to block because I hate I hate
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: calling to a deer. And they just turned around and
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: just like boom, they're right on you. You know, like
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: they've already figured out exactly you know where that is.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: And there, you know, they bust in a tree. I
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: let him get up the hill a little ways that
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: he got behind a cedar, and I snort wheezed at him,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: and I saw him stopping and swing his head around
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: and I could just see, I just I could just
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: see his cage turn and he stood there for a second.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: I knew he was thinking about it. So I waited
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: until he slowly turned his head back the opposite way again,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: and I had him again um and snort wheeze at him,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: and he came right down um and gave me like
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: a yard shot and and and it was, you know,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: it was that that scouting and doing the work and
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: and seeing that sign, thinking about what the wind was
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: going to do for that following morning. Um, for two
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: days in a row, it came out the north and
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: blew straight down and those bucks did I mean, they
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: just cruised that that downwards side of that betting narrative
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: area and it just it just played out perfect. So
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: I've got to follow up questions on that one. The
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: day before when you're sitting there hunting and you saw
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: the two bucks do that move eight yards away? What
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: time did you get down to make your move? This
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: is something I always debate internally too. I'm always wondering,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: you know, what is the exact best window that is
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: the should you just go right away or should you
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: wait till you think the lowest part of the day
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: will be and make your move? When do you if
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: you have like a mid day hanging hunt move that
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: you're gonna make, when's that window you like to do it?
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: I tend to be a little more. I kind of
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: waited out a little bit just to you know, just
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: to make sure kind of thing. But about thirty, um,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm sliding over there, and and that
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: gives me a little bit of time to to find that,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: you know, to scout a little bit more. Um, and
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: you know, I already already saw what this deer we're doing.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: So a lot of times I'll scout up so far
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: and I use I'll use my binocular as a fair
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: amount to scout up ahead of me. So I'm not
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: laying any you know, at any ground sent down up
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: ahead of me where they might cross it. Maybe you know,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: when I'm you know, at night or whatever it might be. Um,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll say, okay, I can. I can kind
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: of see that trail over there. That's where they seem
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: to want to be. I don't need to go any
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: farther than this. I'm about twenty or twenty five yards away,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I put the brakes on and and
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: and get set up. But yeah, about probably ten thirty
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: eleven o'clock and then that way I can have have
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: my have my way with that spot. Yeah. That that
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: seems to be kind of where I've thought that sweet
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: spot is because it's it's late enough that there's not
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: that super early morning movement, but you're not quite into
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: that you know, midday window where those big bucks sometimes
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: getting their feet and start cruising again. Of course it
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: can it can vary, It could be any time, but
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel like that ten to eleven windows
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a possible lull. So I like
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: that too. Um. Now a little more on how you
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: picked that specific tree though, So you moved in there
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: after you saw them. You wanted to be down into
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: that thick bedding area, but closer to that ditch where
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: they came in and out. You're glassing as you work
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: your way over there. How did you end up picking
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: that specific tree to hang up. Um. I'm curious where
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: you paying attention to height or how how you could
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: get into a tree. Did you look for a certain
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: kind of tree? Um? Did you I don't know, anything
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: like that that was running through your mind? Or did
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: you just want to be within shooting range of that
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: ditch trail that was coming in and out and making
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: sure the wind wind blow there. I wanted to be
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: within Uh. You know, it all goes back to hunting
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: the tree, and I wanted to be in the tree
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: that's gonna give me at least a shot opportunity at
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: that that ditch over there, I felt like that ditch
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: was kind of like the key to everything. Well, then
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: I get over there, and Um, the next thing I was,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: I don't height does not make a difference to me
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: at all. I mean I see guys that will hunt
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: super high and and sometimes that when the higher you get,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: the smaller you're that that kill zone gets. UM. That
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: particular tree I was probably I don't know, probably twelve ft,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: but I had the cover, UM, and that was the
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: most important thing to me and and will always be.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: You know a lot of times, you know Kansas, we
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: go out there and um, we get in those cedar
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: trees sometimes and my god, I'm you know, I'm five
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: six ft off the ground and I'm like bulletproof and
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: nothing or bust me out of those things. Um, I think.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: And I knew too, because that was kind of in
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: the bottom down there, like even being that low, even
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: if the winds coming back over, but being in the
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: bottom in the morning, I knew when that rise happened
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: in the morning, I knew everything was just gonna get
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: sucked straight up. Um as well, and um it made
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: that It made that spot like literally bulletproof. And it's
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: funny because of knowing about that spot. I returned to
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: that same farm three or four years later whenever I
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: drew another tag and I could not get a north wind,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: like literally the whole time I was there, I was like,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I need I want to get back
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: in there. I know that spot is still good. And
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: as soon as I did, I got in that same
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: tree and killed another buck. Wow. Pretty awesome. You find
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: a spot like that. Yeah, it's just one of those
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: spots that It was funny because my buddy that owns
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: that farm, when I first killed that first buck there
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: He's like, where did you shoot that buck at? And
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: I told him He's like, I've never even hunted over
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: there before. And I'm like, really, I'm like, dude, I'm
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: telling you that spots. I'm telling you that's that's the spot.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: And and then I come back out there a few
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: years later, and I kept telling him. I'm like, man,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: I want this wind to switch out of the north.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: I want to get back into that spot again. And
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: he goes, you know, I still have never gone over
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: there and hunted that section. And I'm like, I'm telling
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: you that spot is money. I said, if I can
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  Speaker 1: get back in that trede this week, and if I
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: don't have one down already, so I'll kill I'll kill
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  Speaker 1: a bucket over there. And by eight o'clock that morning,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: I texted him I said I said I just smoked one.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: And he calls me and he says, did you really.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm telling you this spot is It's just
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: it's bulletproof. And I was on the phone with him
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: and um and and uh. He's like, man, I'm gonna
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: have to go over there and and uh and set
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  Speaker 1: this evening and and see if I can't get a
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: crack at one and and so we got my dear
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: out and we came and he came back, and I
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: and jumped up in my stand and and he almost
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: killed another big one that evening. Sometimes those spots are
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to the annual trend thing
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit, like things happen for a reason. I
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: always try to when I see something or I find
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: like a hot spot like that where I see a
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: buck do something, I try to analyze, you know, why
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: it happened, because usually things don't not always, but usually
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: things don't have upen by chance. There's usually a reason
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: why buck moved through a certain area. Um So in
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: that case, maybe it was that cover feature and the
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: terrain features all coming together that you know, year after
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: year bucks are going to use that area. Um Or
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: when you see a one off deer setting at some
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: other point, you think about, like you know, you described
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: like how he was using the wind, to think about
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: why he moved that way or why he did this that.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: That seems to be another one of those, UM I
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: don't know things that I keep hearing from folks year
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: after year having success. They're always asking why, They're always
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: trying to kind of micro analyze observations or data to
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: kind of again, it's that idea of pick pick the tree,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: not the zone. It's you know, get the details right,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: not the not the the fuzzy big picture. Um. It
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: just seems to be the difference. It's you know something
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: you know, something I picked up with with Andre a
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: long time ago was the fact that, I mean, here's
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: a guy that I mean, my guy. The guy's killed
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: like eighteen gross boon of Crockett's, you know, with the
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: bow and his i mean, his living room is ridiculous.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you know, like the kind of
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: kind of bucks and how many bucks this guy has
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: killed over the years. You know. The one thing I've
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: always noticed about him is whenever he's talking to somebody,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: like you know, just working shows and stuff like that
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: with him, or just you know, you know, us being
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: around just other people and talking, I always see him
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: asking a lot of people questions. And it's funny to
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: me that a guy as successful as as he is,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: that he's asking anyone questions. But you know, he's always
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: trying to soak it in. I think that's what has
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: been my observation with him times. That's very interesting. That's
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: very interesting. And that's it's it does seem to be
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: one of those things. No matter how successful you are,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: those very best deer hunters are constantly still trying to learn.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: They're constantly still trying to find what that next thing is,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: what's that next edge they can find? Um, it's it's
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: a lifelong process. I guess right, yeah, for sure, What
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: do you think? What do you think you're if you
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: had to identify like the next area that you need
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: to work on, is there any kind of weakness or
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: is there any kind of thing you're really still curious
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: about or that you're still trying to nail down? Um?
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: Does anything jump to your mind when I want to
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: bring that up? Yeah, you know one thing that I
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: would like to be a better rut hunter, if that's possible. Like,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: I don't I have a tough time with the rut.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: It's you know, I don't get me wrong. I for
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: sure I've shot some you know, great bucks um in November,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: but that's a really frustrating time for me because the randomness. Yeah,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, just uh of of dear, just I'm like,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: I'll get into the routine just like everybody, you know,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna hunt some downwards side of some some
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: dope betting areas, or maybe I might hunt a pinch
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: here there or whatever. Um, it's just I feel like
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: the rut is just luck half of the time. There's
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: not a lot of skill, um that that goes along
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: with was shooting. You know, those bucks train features are
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: probably the biggest thing I think. Um, but yeah, I
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: would like to definitely, you know, better my skills had,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: you know, learning how to the hunt the rut more
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: efficiently than than what I do. Well, that's probably a
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: good thing. There's a lot of guys probably that are
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: in the reverse situation where the only time they can
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: kill a good buck is during the rut and they
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: need to try to figure out on the other sides.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: So it's it's nice to be in the scenario where
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: you can kill bucks pretty consistently in the tougher parts
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: of the season than the other way. UM. One last
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: couple of questions. I've been talking to you're off here
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: for a long time, but I had to like specific
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: tactical questions related to what we were just talking about
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: a second ago. Um, back to the setting up on
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: these hanging hunts. M Um, Number one when you're moving
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: to midday to set up in a new spot and
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: you found that perfect tree, do you do trimming or
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: do you are you're worried about spooking things and you're
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: not gonna trim like. That's something I'm always debating is
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: is how much how many lanes do I open up?
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: Do I do anything? Or do it just quietly get
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: set up and hunt? Um? I guess just answer me
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: that trimming. What's your perspective on that? On these middle
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: of the day hanging hunt type deals, I definitely trim. Um.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: I prefer not to if I don't have to, that's
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: my you know what I prefer um Sometimes UM in
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: those cases, if it looks like to say, I'm gonna
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: have to trim a lot, then then I that's where
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna try to stay low to minimize that,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: because the higher you get, the more trimming that you're
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: gonna end up getting into. Um. I. But yes, I've
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: I've got into some trees before where I knew I
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: should have done some trimming and didn't, and it cost
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: me a dear. UM. So I don't do that anymore.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: If if I need to open up something, I'll little bit,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: but I don't. I always keep in perspective of my
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: shots are twenty yards, you know, twenty yards and don't
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: try to Um. I see guys get a little nutty
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: with with the triman and um ends up costing a
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: deer because you know they crack him beforehand. Because um,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I grew up a big coon hunter, um
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: you know, and and was way into that when I
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: was a kid, and a good coon dog will drift
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: a track from a distance. And so if if a
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: dog can do that, a deer definitely can do that
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: as well. So UM, I want him the least make
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: it to that location before um, before that that scent
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: that drifted in their direction froze him up. So you
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: don't want to be walking all over the place opening
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: up fifteen different shooting lanes. No, no, maybe one two. Yeah,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: there's a there's the window types of trimmers like that,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: and then there's the uh the air the runway strips.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: Some guys like those two. UM I tend to be
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: more along your lines. UM. Okay, one more question on
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: that line of thinking, which is you do a lot
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: of the hanging hunting. Your running with a lot of
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: folks that do that kind of stuff too. Uh. Do
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: you have a pro tip or two as far as
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: the actual setup of sticks and your stand that have
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: helped you do it more quietly or quicker or more efficiently.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Are there any little systems you put in place over
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: the years that made you good at that? UM? You
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: know I've been I ran the you know, the lone
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Wolf standard sticks for years, and ran the XOP standing
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: sticks as well. UM, you know all the quist of
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: the line stands, but now you know I'm running all
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: the long Wolf Custom Gear standard sticks. It's to me,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: it's the most thought out UM system that is on
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: the market. And I'm not just saying that because you know,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: I'm affiliated with those guys, but I do believe it's
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: it's the lightest, it's the um the way it stacks. UM.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Like this year, I'm gonna run you know the one
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: the low Wolf Custom Gear one point oh with the
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: mini sticks with the eight ers. I think the whole
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: thing is like ten or twelve pounds. I mean it's
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: next to nothing. UM. The you know, the lighter, the better. Uh.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: Something that UM Actually Honora showed me instead of running
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: the straps all around the stands like we used to
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: do and all that kind of stuff. I put just
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: a little bag on the bottom of my seat that
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: hangs down on and I throw all my all my
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: straps in there so they're not just all over the
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: place and you're wrap. I'm not doing that anymore. That's
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: just a mess. Interesting. Now, what about your getting up
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: in the tree process with the sticks? How do you
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: how do you run that? Do you have them hanging
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: off of you as you climb up in the tree
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: or do you pull them up on a rope? Uh?
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: What's that look like for you? Um? I always put
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: the stand on my back and then first stick on
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: and then um. Typically, Uh, the way I've always done
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: it in the past is I just take the other
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: three sticks or two sticks, or however many sticks, and
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna run moving forward from that ground ground
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: stick and UM. I just always hang them on a branch.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: And I always have my stuff. Um, you know, I
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: already have my um my, my bag. My bag is
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: usually attached to my stand, and once I get up,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: I take, you know, take a screw in, throw my
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: bag on there and then pull my stand off and
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: then hang it and then my bows already tied to
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: the string that is is um on my stand and
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: then that way I don't have to come up and
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: down the tree. Um. I try to minimize that as
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: much as possible. Yeah, that seems to be the way
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: to do it, all right. Justin I am sufficiently fired
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: up for for some white tails. What I really want
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: to do right now is go drive some fields and
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: scott for bucks. But I think I have to go
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: in and feed my kids instead, So I guess that's
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: comes back to the efficiency thing, to figure out a
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: way to be able to do both. But I might
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: What I might do is act like I'm still doing
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: this podcast with you, and maybe do some of that
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: driving around and say, oh, it just ran over a
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: little bit. It's a pretty good smart You've got to
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: figure it out, all right. So one and a half
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: sort of questions, and then we're gonna close this down
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: really quick. Last question I asked. I'm starting to ask
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: more and more people this every time. If you had
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: a billboard on the side of the highway that all
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: these deer hunters are gonna drive by every day, and
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: you wanted to to just leave one lasting message with
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: all these guys and girls, what would you put on
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: that billboard. Um, sometimes you have to get uncomfortable. I
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: like it. That's a good take home from those those stories.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: That's been a theme for sure. All right, that's a
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: good billboard. Get uncomfortable, get outside your comfort zone sometimes
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: go for the fences. Last question, justin. If people want
• 1:47:53
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• 1:47:57
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• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: loan Will Custom Gear or anything like that, where can
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: they see your stuff and all that other stuff too? Um,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: you can go to uh the Lone Wolf Custom Gear
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: YouTube page. That's where um, you'll find all the White
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: Tail Addictions episodes and um and a lot of the
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: old the old episodes that are on there as well.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: Or go to www Dot Lone Wolf custom Gear dot com. Um,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: that's our website. That's where all of our gears um.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: Or you know you can follow me on Instagram, um
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: at uh I'm actually it's not justin Hollinsworth's Mason's Dad
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: get your straight yeah, and or Facebook or or whatever. Um.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: Uh that's where you'll you'll find all of our stuff
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: at very cool all right, justin, I I've enjoyed this.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking so much time to
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: h talk Bucks. I really appreciate you having me on.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: This was fun. I love it. Let's let's stay in
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: touch and exchange some pictures this fall with a couple
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: of dead bucks. Huh for sure, I love it. That's
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: the best part about this. I agree. All right, well
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: talked against him justin Thank you. Thanks all right, thanks
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: for tuning in for this one. I hope you enjoyed
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: that as much as I did. Uh. I'm raring to go.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: It's summer, velvet Bucks are out there in the fields.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: Fall is going to be here before we know what,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: my friends, So get outside of your comfort zone, start
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: doing something different, start working harder, working different. Break the
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: routine now and then prepared to do so again in
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: the fall. Until next time, Thank you again. I appreciate everything,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: your support, your time, your interests, your ratings, your reviews,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: your comments, your questions. Um it means the world. So
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: until next time, thanks and stay wired to hunt.