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Andrea Yates: Strangely Sympathetic and Local Legends · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Hey everybody. Its serial killer country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom, my name is Brian jr.
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  And this is what Killers get caught.
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  A podcast devoted to deep dives into the lives and psyches The
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  Killers. We love to learn about each
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  week, Brian. And I find a True Crime Story
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  that resonated with us and then I discussed one, well-known or
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  lesser known killer, I go deeper into their childhood lives
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  methodology, and most importantly how and why they got
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  caught and then we get a little spooky, we learned something
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  about Cryptids or the supernatural.
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  Keep it kind of light after the lately very depressing stories
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  that I've been talking about Yes.
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  Yeah, that's really the general consistency of things lately and
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  it's not going to change tonight.
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  If you've clicked on this podcast, you already know what
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  this is about. Yeah, we're sorry.
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  Yeah, it's it's heavy but uh I guess there's sort of a
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  reasoning that goes along with it.
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  I don't don't you dare. Don't you dare that's have a
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  greater conversational situation but before we even get into the
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  subject of tonight's podcast, let's instead talk about this
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  week in True Crime. Something really cool was not
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  cool. It's such a weird thing when
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  stuff like this happens So, I don't know if you know who Fred
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  and rosemary West are Brian. No, I did, Kanye West's parents
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  and now they were a killer couple from the UK who were
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  particularly horrible to young girls, including some of their
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  own children. But in the 1960s, there was a
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  girl who suspected of being one of their victims and she has
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  been missing since 68 and they've never been able to find
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  it Fred West, they think that Fred Killed her because he also
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  did some gross stuff separate from his wife sometimes they
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  work together. Sometimes I work separate very
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  of course, Ian Brady Myra. Hey yeah.
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  Funny enough the to both Myra and rosemary were in the same
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  prison. And there were rumors that they
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  were well robbers. Yeah, yeah.
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  And also enemies. So yeah, this is the same woman.
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  Well, police Nice. Okay, so it's it's the city in
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  Gloucester, Gloucester Gloucester UK and they think
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  that they have found the bones of one of his victims.
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  Okay. Who has been missing since 1968
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  like all his victims were young women?
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  They both had very weird fixations on brutalizing women
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  in many different ways Rape torture bondage, you name it.
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  They were typically buried in the cellar of their home and
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  Glock is Stir which that was referred to in the media.
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  As like the House of Horrors. They were charged in 1994 and
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  Fred hung himself while he was in prison in 1995, to avoid
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  being charged with the nine women who were discovered on
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  their property. Of course.
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  Yeah. But yeah.
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  So that's the news that's like This is today.
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  So they're thinking it might be her body.
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  They think it might be her body May 17 21 like this is happening
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  this week. Nice.
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  This is like pipe quite possibly.
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  I'm like the first time but yeah.
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  They have some ground-penetrating cameras and
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  they appear to have discovered this like dark blue material
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  that they think matched the coat of her name was Mary bastogne.
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  She was 15 when she went missing.
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  Oh, and yeah. This is 39.
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  Well, it's this comes days after this, like police force of like
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  39, different cops, led by a team of archaeologists began.
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  Analyzing the basement of a cafe and God caster, which is about
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  half a mile from the West's house.
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  And essentially, Like West worked there when it was being
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  built. So they think that he might have
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  stored that's at this point. They're like, well, maybe some
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  of the bodies, we haven't been able to find from him, are ones
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  that he might have buried at some of the locations where he
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  worked right when he was a builder.
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  And that's not exactly something crazy.
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  Because there was a man in California who they think buried
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  bodies under highways, that he worked on in the 70s and That
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  California has discussed the idea of trying to find those
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  bodies but also that the costs but is so prohibitive that they
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  might just leave them there. So, I mean, this isn't entirely
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  in heard of, but yeah, they had cameras that have seen like a
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  navy blue coat that she was wearing and they definitely
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  think that they're seeing human bones there.
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  So I mean, they're at this point.
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  Now they're going to be looking at doing like a major excavation
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  right? Yeah.
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  But yeah. And of course, his wife is
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  still, of course, in jail. Yeah.
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  She's she's only 67. So she got plenty of years to be
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  in prison and be dealing with the crimes that she committed
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  and yeah, that's good. But yeah, it's like I was really
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  excited when that popped up on my feet today I was like oh crap
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  Serial killer do is we have it had some new serial, killer news
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  and months. It's gonna be on every podcast
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  that any of you listen to this week.
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  That's how like hype most of us are going to be about But what
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  did you come across this week? Okay, let me ask you a question.
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  Sure. So for example, How would, how
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  would you go about getting followers or you have followers
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  on your Tick? Tock, like, if like, if you had
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  to go out and like, I don't know, like, if you were like low
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  on views and follows, how would you Brittany?
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  Go out and find followers for Tick-Tock.
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  I, I wouldn't go out and invite Tic-Tac followers because I
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  would be, I'm strangely shy in person.
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  You don't say so, The only thing I know how to do is what I do
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  right now which is make daily content and hope hope somebody
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  likes it. Okay?
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  Okay. Well, there is a woman in
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  Florida, Miami who posed as a student to promote her Instagram
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  page. If you ain't saw this, somebody
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  posted this on Twitter and it showed up in our feet of like
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  People who we follow on Twitter, like one of those crime news
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  aggregate blog thing. Yeah, I didn't click on it.
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  Please tell me more about this lady.
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  All right. So apparently she's 28 years old
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  and she wanted to promote her Instagram page and she attempted
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  to blend in with students at a Miami area high school.
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  Wasn't there? A Drew Barrymore movie where she
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  went back to the high school? Yeah she was a reporter was
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  reporter. Yeah but still and everything
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  kiss. We're having right?
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  Right. That's it.
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  That's get something like that, done.
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  Like that with this. Good enough?
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  Yeah. But yeah, this happened.
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  I guess, I last Monday. Wow, so yeah, sure.
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  It landed her in jail. So she's facing charges of
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  burglary and it fearing with a school function and resisting
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  arrest without violence. So let me read this.
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  So she started hitting at her name, is who I can't pronounce
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  that last name. Goodness gracious.
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  Oh, it's her name is Audrey. Francisco!
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  Whitney. Yeah, I'm going with that.
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  Yes. Uh-huh.
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  So apparently she started handing out pantless at you
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  know, for her Instagram. Okay.
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  You can't do that. That's not how you.
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  Yes, not cool. Can you imagine being like, what
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  is the equivalent of when we were in high school of the
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  person who hands Pamphlets about their Instagram recruiters,
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  these look like that. It's even worse because that's a
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  hey, sign up for potentially die for college.
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  Yeah, no I'm trying to think of like what would have been
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  equally as uncool as handing out a pamphlet for your social
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  media. Oh, putting up flyers and I feel
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  like, yeah. A flyer for a party.
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  Yeah. At a high school.
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  That would have been like cringy.
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  Let me tell you for like, we had this one.
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  Like and Senior year, right? Okay.
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  So seeing you here, I'm just like comedian now.
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  Okay, this is my Persona. I've taken along because I'm
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  funny as guy anyway, I think you're funny.
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  Oh, my one teacher, she suggested that I like start an
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  improv group of people. So I put up flyers for like
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  improv, okay. That's different cause that's
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  like a school function if our school functions but can you
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  imagine was like there's gonna be a rager at Brian's house.
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  Here's a flyer like Say those kinds of words and no, no, I
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  just pulled like a total like 80s phrase, out of nowhere.
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  I'm not that old y'all. We didn't have ragers but I'm
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  just saying that's how the equivalent of leg you you
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  handing someone a flyer to come to your party tomorrow?
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  Yeah. It feels awkward like like hey
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  come to my party. Hey come to my party.
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  He's like listen you can come don't tell anybody else and then
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  of course everybody shows up because no one could keep a
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  secret in high school. This is how that goes, yeah,
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  sure trip. But yeah, she snuck on the
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  campus at 8:30 a.m. she had a black backpack, and she carried
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  a skateboard. She walking the whole shoe
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  recording herself as she was doing this.
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  She had a black backpack. If she cares game for, she act
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  like a total like I guess that's what she taught high schoolers.
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  I don't, how old is she 28 28? Come on now.
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  No, no, no. Even when that cause that's only
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  a couple years younger than Us and like I don't nobody was
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  wearing not even when we were Highschool.
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  No, nobody was you. I mean okay.
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  Skateboard. Yes, very 90s.
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  Like, okay, when we were in school, people dress like
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  skaters. Yeah, but they didn't like skate
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  through the hallways of the school.
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  That's very like movie 90s movies Centric.
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  But like, yeah, sure. Like people wore like skater
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  clothes, like, one of my co-workers, got his like, very
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  cool like skater Vibes. Like, I'm like, this is
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  obviously, like, who he is outside of work and I'm a, you
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  know, Bryant. I'm a giant fruit Pop-Tart of a
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  person. This is Lisa.
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  It like, you know, yet Lisa Frank.
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  These are frankly staff Rankin, Miss frazil.
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  That's really what I work with as you so you know like we all
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  have little bits of that like from our high school identities,
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  you do who we are now. But like I don't think even
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  people who were skateboarders like Tony Hawk.
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  He is a skateboarder, he's not like oh let me walk through this
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  area with my board on my arm like it.
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  But yeah. So apparently let's see.
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  What is this? A school security tracked her
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  down? As she wandered hallways while
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  students were in their classrooms and she was heading
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  towards the registration office but she did not enter instead
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  she continued walking through the hallways talking to students
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  news outlets reported. So she never went to any
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  classes. No, no, of course not.
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  You have to act like you're actually in high school You're
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  trying to act like you're in high school. 28.
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  Come on now. I'm free.
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  I mean she could probably like at 18 years old.
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  I need to I need to know what she looks like.
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  Now I don't think there's a picture of her.
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  I could have sworn. It was a picture.
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  Okay, not on this one. I got this one off the
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  Associated. Press press.
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  But as she kept walking security officers, still try to catch up
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  with her. You know, that's bad.
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  That's like it's terrible because Like that's shorter.
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  I don't know. Like nowadays, you know, what?
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  School shooters and stuff like that.
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  You can't just be like I have like little logins.
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  Exact, thanks to open doors, like you can't just be walking
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  in the schools like that. Like, that's not okay.
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  What'd she look like you could give me a face.
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  She looks like a mother of three.
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  Oh, come on. Yeah, the guy high school
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  student Advocate teenager. Come on.
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  Oh my god. Listen and I get it.
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  Hispanic and black people aged very well.
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  But, huh? Honey, you look like you have at
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  least one or two babies. Yeah.
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  Apparently the school system is going through.
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  They're going to be reviewing how she got into the school.
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  She got onto the property, you know, and was able to evade
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  security settings brand, they don't they don't run.
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  They just kind of jump my God. It but yeah, it was just like
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  it's hilarious. And then finally authorities
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  tracked, her down for her Instagram page.
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  Interested her of Monday last Monday at her house.
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  Oh man. So she got away from the
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  security officers in school but she got she went home and then
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  he found her anyway through her Instagram that she.
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  You know, she was trying to promote.
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  I want to see her Instagram. I bet it's Wack.
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  He kind of look up her face, I don't know.
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  I bet you if I pulled this up on Reddit, somebody found her over.
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  I think about it now she probably has like a million
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  followers. I feel like she probably has a
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  bunch of Of gems ears and her comment roast in her.
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  Yeah. Probably.
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  They just roast all of us. I mean, that's like she did have
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  a side part though. Oh she does see we have a side.
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  Part was a side parting. No, it was.
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  My parts are bad and so are skinny jeans.
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  Damn her damn Millennials. Then our what you gonna do?
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  Let us live our lives. I'm good.
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  That's a thing. People are like, I'm like, this
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  is our I hate to say and that situation that happened with
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  Millennials versus Zoomers. It was people were like side
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  parts of skinny jeans. I'm like, this seems like a
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  thing that like, I hate to say it this way, but it seems like a
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  thing that like, the white people are arguing about because
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  amongst like, the minority community.
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  No one's like trash talking like Zoomers.
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  Know, we're more. Like, I like your style.
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  Pretty cool. Yeah, your hair's dope like you
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  didn't he like it's all very like Good Vibes in our
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  community. I don't know why.
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  I like all the white Zoomers and Millennials are fighting right
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  now. Y'all need to stop.
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  Oh no. I know.
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  I know those gen Z kids. They do love my hair now so you
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  have magnificent hair. I do have wonderful beautiful
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  horrible story, you talking about, it's not okay there's
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  just a little bit of horribleness which is, you know,
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  the whole parent killing their children aspect.
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  But so this happened when I was probably this would have been
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  before I started High School. Okay.
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  This sort of been like spring of a, the grade for me, you say I
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  you mean we don't know. I wasn't sure if I could
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  remember. I was like technically a year
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  ahead. And because I have a late
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  birthday. Dear me?
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  Yes. Yes.
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  It's a year of school but we're like Danny of the same age.
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  Yeah, but yeah. So I'm just going to, I'm going
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  to set a stage And I'll go into more about these people.
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  Okay? So it was approximately 10 a.m.
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  June 20th 2001, A Man, by the name of Rusty Gates.
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  Gets a phone call from his wife, he'd only been at work for about
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  an hour. She just said, you need to come
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  home confused. He was just like what's going on
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  and she's like, you need to come home, it's time, I did it.
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  He knew that she'd been struggling recently and dealing
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  with her depression and so he asked her again, what's wrong?
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  And she said it's the children. And the NASA engineer realized
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  something was very wrong. And he said, which one and which
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  Andrea Yates responded? All of them.
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  Oh, when he reached his house, 15 minutes later, they were
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  ambulances. And police cars at his home in
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  Houston, Texas. A Time article said that when he
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  wasn't allowed into the house, he went to the back door and
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  screamed. How could you do this?
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  Collapse in the yard and the fetal position pounding, the
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  ground as his wife. Andrea Yates was led away in
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  handcuffs today. I am discussing a crime.
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  Like I said, I didn't happen that long ago for both you and I
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  the case surrounding Andrea Gates and the murder of her five
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  children on June 20th, 2001. It was a bit of a landmark case
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  and trial surrounding the discussion of real.
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  Mental health issues for mothers in a state known to Be very
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  aggressive in handling it handing out Capital sentences
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  for murder but like every week before I discuss the crime and
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  inevitably the lengthy and convoluted trial, let's just
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  talk about Andrea Yates and who she was before this day.
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  I found her strangely sympathetic and I didn't expect
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  to you, okay? I heard she's born Andrea Pia.
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  Kennedy on July 2nd, 1964 and Hallsville Texas.
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  She was born to German immigrant kuta, jutta, Karen Koller and
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  Andrew and Mike. Kennedy who is second generation
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  Irish that you had five children and Andrea was their youngest
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  They were a devout Catholic Family and Andrea was very
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  active in church and Charities. As a young child, she was
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  incredibly considered to be very, very smart.
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  But her troubles with her mental health began, rather Young Some
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  people speculate that it's kind of like what happens with a lot
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  of teenagers. You're very smart driven,
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  super-active. You feel this pressure to be
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  perfect? She was in like the National
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  Honor Society. She graduated from high school
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  as for valedictorian and of course, doing really knows when
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  you're struggling with that. Kind of stuff that behind that
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  like perfect facade is somebody who's struggling to look perfect
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  and also be perfect. Right?
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  Right. So she did struggle with both
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  bulimia and depression and actually was suicidal.
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  When she was in high school, she did not receive treatment for
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  any of these issues while she was a child and very much
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  endured a lot. a lot of these things in silence, I can't say
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  that at that time in our history that there would have been a
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  whole lot of resources for her either.
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  No. After High School, she applied
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  to the University of Houston to become a nurse, perhaps kind of
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  free from some of that parental stress.
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  She didn't struggle as much with her mental health in college.
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  She finished her program and just two years and accepted a
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  job at the MD Anderson Cancer, Center caring for cancer
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  patients. It was part of the medical
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  facility, that was attached to her school and she would work
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  there her entire career as a nurse from 1986 to 1994.
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  As somebody who had really serious body image issue, she
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  didn't really date a whole lot but she met her future, husband,
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  Rusty Gates, and the summer of 1989, she was swimming at the
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  pool in her apartment complex and he saw her and liked her as
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  many young men are want to do of course.
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  Yes, they move it together. Fairly shortly after that, a
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  couple months later, and Rusty. Said that his name is Russell,
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  but I will continue to call him Rusty as they do.
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  And all of the books that I read on this, He said that she was
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  always very uncomfortable being naked around him, she would get
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  dressed and undressed in the closet and she never seemed to
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  enjoy sex. Some people say that this is due
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  to her Catholic upbringing and you know, extremely religious
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  families can be very overbearing when it comes to young women.
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  Sexualities other people have brought up that this could also
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  be a symptom of mental illness. That was also overlooked rather
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  early in her. I guess her young, adult life
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  personally, I can't imagine feeling very sexy when your
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  boyfriend is into the religious stuff that Rusty was in two.
• 23:28
  And I know I need to go into this because Shapes who this
• 23:32
  woman becomes so Rusty. Was a big follower of this
• 23:36
  preacher named Michael warneke who was a traveling preacher.
• 23:41
  That was big into like the fire and brimstone, you know?
• 23:45
  And of course like it's hard to know with all the different
• 23:47
  preachers like this in the 80s and 90s.
• 23:50
  Like this was a big deal for a long time.
• 23:52
  They were like be on TV on Sunday and those big mega
• 23:56
  churches. Those kinds of people in the
• 23:58
  freaking, like, turd something. Does mega church creators.
• 24:01
  I don't think we're in a key created like a mega church but
• 24:04
  he did have the same kind of fundamental most views.
• 24:09
  So Michael and Rusty met during the 80s and the two started
• 24:13
  writing letters back and forth to each other and they kind of
• 24:15
  became sort of religious friends.
• 24:18
  And we're Nicky had some very horrible views about women.
• 24:25
  He preached that women were evil witches and they were born evil
• 24:30
  because of Eve that women shouldn't educate themselves.
• 24:34
  They should never work outside of the home and should never use
• 24:37
  birth control. Wives should submit to their
• 24:40
  husbands fully. And you know that old adage we
• 24:43
  were taught as kids, children should be seen and not heard
• 24:46
  totally believe in that too. Uh-huh.
• 24:47
  And if you needed to keep your child silent.
• 24:50
  Absolutely. You know what's that Fraser?
• 24:53
  You don't spare the rod spoil the child.
• 24:55
  Yeah that that was part of his ideology to.
• 24:57
  Yeah. Opens.
• 24:59
  So Rusty comes into this relationship with this intense
• 25:03
  fundamentalist, Christian Vibe and introduces Andrea to it.
• 25:09
  And strangely enough, the two of them spend like a lot of their
• 25:12
  free time just studying the Bible and praying when they live
• 25:14
  together. Rusty, was very serious about
• 25:18
  his religion, his relationship with Andrea and so he actually
• 25:21
  introduced her to warneke weirdly enough.
• 25:26
  We're in a key, gave them solid advice and was like, you
• 25:30
  shouldn't get married quickly, which was apparently, a lot of
• 25:33
  the advice he gave to young couples, he met on college
• 25:35
  campuses, which is so wild because I was, like, here's
• 25:38
  this, And with this horrible crazy, like religious message,
• 25:44
  given actual dollops of good advice here and there.
• 25:47
  Yeah, like know, when you are 22, you definitely probably
• 25:51
  shouldn't get married. No, don't do it Andrea.
• 25:57
  And Rusty, did not take the preachers advice and instead it
• 25:59
  got married. Two years later.
• 26:01
  April 17th 1983. Well doing it very quickly, they
• 26:04
  waited two years for them. I think this was probably, as I
• 26:08
  They waited as long as they possibly could, as long as they
• 26:11
  want, yeah, they're like this. Give us some time, okay.
• 26:13
  Okay, you good. Yeah, they were, like, you know,
• 26:15
  he's like, wait, longer they were, like, no, we had this.
• 26:18
  We waited long enough to years is long enough who enter our
• 26:22
  lives to be together. Come on now.
• 26:24
  But, you know, what's so funny? I went to a Catholic High School
• 26:26
  and I distinctly have a very solid memory of one of my
• 26:30
  religion classes. I think it was sophomore year
• 26:32
  for some reason. My one religion teacher like
• 26:35
  went off on a rant about how you shouldn't, just get married to
• 26:38
  have sex. And one of the boys in my class
• 26:40
  raised his hand and he was just like, then, why get married.
• 26:45
  Ha ha ha and mind you. We were 15 and 16 years old.
• 26:49
  So, of course, in a 15 and 16 roll brain, that makes sense.
• 26:52
  But I have a friend who's very religious and she goes on like
• 26:55
  Christian Mingle and stuff. And there are a lot of people
• 26:57
  with this mindset, like I just have to get married so I can
• 27:01
  just start having sex. Yeah, because it's not.
• 27:04
  Okay for me to do it outside of that.
• 27:07
  So like maybe that was part. Out of this to like why they
• 27:10
  were rushing and why he was telling so many of his
• 27:13
  followers, like, don't rush into this, they'll be plenty of time
• 27:16
  for you, do all the things you want to do in your life and
• 27:20
  then, you know, people are just like, well, I can't do what I
• 27:22
  want, ha ha ha, because God, what was it?
• 27:24
  Let's be because, yeah, I'll be a sinner and go to hell.
• 27:28
  Oh, no. Because like, they literally
• 27:29
  told their wedding guests that they wanted as many babies as
• 27:34
  nature would allow season. That's order thinking about,
• 27:37
  that's all they were thinking of give me.
• 27:39
  That's why I said that, of course, now, married to Rusty,
• 27:42
  Andrea, quits her job as a nurse, and she gets immediately
• 27:45
  pregnant with their son. Noah, he was born February 1994
• 27:50
  and almost immediately after his birth, Andrea begins, having
• 27:55
  visions of knives and stabbing her loved ones.
• 27:59
  She also heard voices but she kept this to herself, Down to
• 28:04
  one income, they have to move from their nice four-bedroom
• 28:07
  house in Houston to a trailer in Seminole, Florida for a temp
• 28:12
  job, that Rusty took and like this is the, the not smartness
• 28:16
  of this whole concept of the man needs to be the provider.
• 28:19
  Exactly. I absolutely support the idea
• 28:22
  that a man as a provider. If he's got the job to provide
• 28:26
  for this family. Exactly.
• 28:28
  And I'm just like, you going to make me, give up my job and now
• 28:32
  we broke. This is terrible.
• 28:35
  And as soon as you like it don't have kids.
• 28:37
  Thank you. All right, you got all this
• 28:38
  money. You got to spend on this now but
• 28:40
  either way. Exactly, from four bedroom to a
• 28:43
  trailer. Come on.
• 28:44
  I mean it's nothing wrong. Trailers at all because there's
• 28:46
  some nice. That's a nice one.
• 28:47
  Oh, hell yeah. I know leopard trailers are
• 28:50
  nicer than what I live in but now I Like they move into this
• 28:55
  really actually, from what I understand the trailer was
• 28:57
  smaller than the apartment. We are in right now.
• 28:59
  Oh damn. And this apartment is 410 square
• 29:02
  feet and it's a studio. Oh, so the one that you're in
• 29:07
  right now, we're yeah. There's was 350.
• 29:11
  That that trailer and she had two more babies.
• 29:16
  No. Yes, she did.
• 29:20
  Two more sense. I December of 1995.
• 29:22
  John was born, and then September of 1887 Paul was born,
• 29:27
  so that's Mom. A toddler.
• 29:34
  A baby and a newborn and Dad and an apartment smaller than where
• 29:39
  we are right now, they all sleep in the same bed, I've had one
• 29:43
  person, stay the night with me over the like weekend here and
• 29:47
  it's cramped. Like you like one more than one
• 29:50
  day and all of a sudden, I'm like, you need to go home.
• 29:56
  I just can't imagine two adults and three kids in this space.
• 29:59
  No, just imagine having to sleep in the same bed, kids kicking
• 30:02
  your ribs and your backing like smacking you in the face when
• 30:05
  you're trying to sleep. What I live with my sister, I
• 30:07
  used to watch like we work different shifts.
• 30:09
  So I work during the day and she worked at night and her son, I
• 30:13
  would like sleep, I would like lay in bed next to him.
• 30:17
  I could never sleep comfortably. You want this baby next to me?
• 30:21
  I was convinced. He was going to fall out the Ed.
• 30:24
  I was going roll over him and kill him.
• 30:26
  Like something was going to happen, that's bad.
• 30:28
  It was constantly me like nodding off for a couple minutes
• 30:30
  and then waking up and looking at them.
• 30:33
  And then fall back asleep and waking up at looking.
• 30:35
  It was the most unknown like restful sleep of my life
• 30:42
  watching. This Nike six-month-old baby,
• 30:45
  they were hurt. You believe me and he was hot,
• 30:48
  he's always hot. I really have any would somehow
• 30:51
  may. I should take up like half of a
• 30:53
  full size bed. Yeah, are so small.
• 30:55
  What is wrong with you? Yeah, that's what they do.
• 30:57
  But back on to Andrea and Rusty, they kept up with the war in a
• 31:04
  key family through letters and videos.
• 31:06
  Um, and for some reason, Michael Wernicke kept diagnosing Andrea
• 31:11
  as evil and telling her that her life was cursed.
• 31:15
  I really couldn't find a reason for this and like I went through
• 31:19
  a lot of sources. I've heard two different books
• 31:21
  for this but then you say you said, well women are evil and he
• 31:24
  did say all women are even, but like I felt like it was almost
• 31:27
  like Like personal. like I can only imagine what kind of effect
• 31:32
  this must have been having on Andrea because Michael is like
• 31:35
  the leader of this little church and he set himself up to be like
• 31:38
  the voice of God and she's getting constant messages from
• 31:42
  the voice of God saying that God hates you like So, 98 the gates
• 31:50
  family visits the war in a keys in Miami, because Michaels gonna
• 31:53
  sell his motor home. And by motor home, I mean, a
• 31:57
  Greyhound bus that he converted into a little apartment to
• 32:01
  travel across the country and preach from.
• 32:04
  They stay there for about a week and during that time, Michael
• 32:08
  and Rusty got into a fight in another stunning bit of wisdom.
• 32:14
  Michael said that Rusty was neglecting his family for his
• 32:18
  Year and sacrificing his wife and children.
• 32:22
  Hmm, Rusty. Did not agree that leaving
• 32:25
  Andrea with a newborn toddler and preschool or every day in a
• 32:29
  tiny house. Was it all bad?
• 32:30
  No, not at all and Rusty. Michael kind of stopped being
• 32:34
  friendly after this, russki Rusty, like talked about this
• 32:39
  later on and like said that they like drifted apart, but it seems
• 32:43
  like he wasn't open to even a religious figure telling him
• 32:47
  that he need to be a better husband and father.
• 32:50
  Oh my God. So you weren't trying to change.
• 32:52
  You just want to have kids and just keep doing what you're
• 32:55
  doing. Basically after they bought the
• 32:57
  mobile home, they moved back to Houston to put it, simply Andrea
• 33:02
  was overwhelmed. She had to home-school the
• 33:06
  oldest boy. Breastfeed keep a toddler
• 33:08
  occupied feed. Her family, wash cloth diapers
• 33:13
  to save money. She was also caring for her own
• 33:15
  father who had Alzheimer's Oh no.
• 33:18
  Friends of their family of the family.
• 33:20
  Tried to tell Rusty. This is too much for one person
• 33:23
  to handle, but he wouldn't listen and he was just like,
• 33:25
  this is Andrews job as a wife and a mother.
• 33:30
  Well yeah, they were still following the Wernicke's church
• 33:34
  and Andrea was still receiving guidance from them that she need
• 33:37
  to beat her children more often. And that, like, normal child
• 33:41
  behavior was disrespectful. They also were consistently
• 33:45
  telling her that like not hitting her kids.
• 33:48
  Was damning them to Hell. Well then I guess my kids are
• 33:52
  going to have right Andrea had therefore child Luca February of
• 33:58
  1989. When Luke was four months old
• 34:01
  and recalled Rusty and was just like I can't take this when
• 34:06
  Rusty got home. She was sitting in the corner
• 34:08
  like in an almost catatonic State she'd been chewing on her
• 34:11
  fingers for hours. Rusty was like you know we
• 34:15
  should do we're gonna take a nice family walk on the beach.
• 34:18
  Beach, that'll fix, you know and um, seeing as Rusty's, not at
• 34:21
  all, a mental health, professional the next day, she
• 34:24
  attempted to kill herself for the first time she was admitted
• 34:28
  to hospice. She, I think she tried to use
• 34:30
  her father's medicine to have an overdose.
• 34:34
  She was admitted to a hospital and prescribed antidepressants.
• 34:38
  This was the first time in her life that she was diagnosed with
• 34:41
  major depressive disorder, the whole Hospital wanted to hold
• 34:44
  her longer to see if the meds were going to have some help.
• 34:48
  But unfortunately, as anybody, who has been on where they
• 34:53
  ssris, I think it's what their official term is for them, but
• 34:56
  there are serotonin receptor Inhibitors.
• 35:01
  I think called ssris these take weeks to take effect.
• 35:06
  Oh, in fact, one of the things I tell you, when you're on them
• 35:09
  because I also have major depressive disorder.
• 35:13
  They ask like my doctors would ask, like, repeatedly are you
• 35:16
  feeling suicidal? Here's why, because you're
• 35:20
  inside a really dark place and you get this medication and it
• 35:23
  starts working on your brain, right?
• 35:24
  But it takes such a long time to pull you out and like
• 35:27
  essentially, like kind of give your brain the serotonin that
• 35:31
  it's needing, right? That sometimes you only feel
• 35:35
  like sort of good, you don't feel like real good yet but you
• 35:39
  feel like good enough that if you are suicidal you might
• 35:42
  decide to actually do it. Oh yes.
• 35:45
  You've got enough motivation. Now to hurt.
• 35:48
  Yourself, but not enough motivation to go to work or
• 35:52
  clean. Your house will be motivations
• 35:54
  you not doing in this. It's one of the things that is,
• 35:57
  it's part of the warnings. So that repeatedly, they were
• 36:00
  like, you have more energy now, don't you Brittany?
• 36:03
  And I was like, yes, you're not see, they were like constantly
• 36:07
  checking with me, so then they should have done here.
• 36:12
  Because they sent her home because her insurance didn't
• 36:17
  cover any more inpatient days, some of that's going to be a
• 36:21
  consistent thing that pops up at This Woman's life insurance.
• 36:25
  But her insurance limiting, the amount of care she can access,
• 36:29
  lovely. She did briefly visit with
• 36:31
  another doctor who put her on an anti-psychotic drug.
• 36:37
  But the Warren Equis believe that medicine and drugs were the
• 36:41
  tool of the devil. So she flushed them come on
• 36:45
  before. She could even really know
• 36:47
  whether this was going to help her.
• 36:49
  Oh my God, things got worse for Andrea.
• 36:53
  She was pulling out her hair and clumps picking at her skin until
• 36:56
  it bled. The voices that come back.
• 36:58
  She'd stopped eating entirely one night, Rusty came home from
• 37:02
  work and he found Andrea holding a knife to her throat and she
• 37:06
  was begging. Being Rusty to let her and her
• 37:09
  life. She was hospitalized again and
• 37:13
  given an antipsychotic medicine was called, like Haldol.
• 37:19
  This is the one that had the best effect on her.
• 37:22
  She approved immediately and they said home friends.
• 37:27
  And family were like, this is definitely the bus you living on
• 37:31
  this stupid bus with four children is causing trouble.
• 37:34
  So Rusty bought a three-bedroom house in clear Texas.
• 37:38
  And for a little bit of time, Andrew was doing, all right.
• 37:41
  She was seeing a doctor bi-weekly.
• 37:43
  She had a washer and dryer, she was on good medication.
• 37:46
  Yes, they are on the up-and-up doctors work, couldn't they
• 37:51
  were? They thought that this was
• 37:53
  postpartum, depression, made worse by her, major depressive
• 37:58
  disorder, and the gates were advised, they should either
• 38:02
  abstain, for set from sex, or Andrea should stay on birth
• 38:06
  control. They did actually opted to
• 38:10
  ignore the church and go on birth control, right?
• 38:15
  But they didn't stick with this very long.
• 38:17
  Yeah. You know what would help?
• 38:19
  What him? Get a goddamn vasectomy.
• 38:24
  No. Because remember they want
• 38:26
  babies but there's supposed to be a controlled, get a goddamn
• 38:30
  vasectomy. You got enough kids already.
• 38:33
  Nope not enough. So one of the things we know now
• 38:36
  is that women who Suffer from postpartum already higher risk
• 38:40
  of getting in again during subsequent pregnancies and the
• 38:43
  episodes tend to get worse each, with each pregnancy, Andrea was
• 38:49
  on the way to recovery, but another birth would absolutely
• 38:52
  destroy the progress. She had made.
• 38:55
  So they were advised. You should stop having kids
• 38:57
  right now. Give it a couple years.
• 38:58
  You're still pretty young, you know, let Andrea get more
• 39:01
  stable. Do you want to know how quickly
• 39:05
  they decided that they should have another kid?
• 39:07
  This is a week later. Seven weeks.
• 39:10
  After she was discharged, God, Rusty kind of looked at it.
• 39:16
  Andrea's mental illness and postpartum and the suicide
• 39:19
  attempts is like kind of like her having the flu and that's
• 39:22
  literally a direct quote, just like the flu.
• 39:25
  Come on. His thought was, if she relapses
• 39:27
  has, we'll just go back to the hospital and get new maps.
• 39:29
  No, that's not how it works, though.
• 39:31
  It's not how that works and that's definitely something he
• 39:33
  In realize which is that like the kind of medications that
• 39:35
  she's on take a while to set in and she's going to have to come
• 39:39
  off of them to get pregnant and going off of these meds, very
• 39:44
  quickly is very dangerous. Yeah, I can imagine so yes, she
• 39:48
  stopped taking her medication, seven weeks, after being
• 39:50
  discharged from the hospital in 2000, and she had her fifth
• 39:54
  child Mary in November of 2000. Oh, finally a girl.
• 39:59
  She, she actually seemed to be doing, all right?
• 40:03
  Though there was like a weird situation where she tried to
• 40:05
  feed like a very young baby, real food and the baby like
• 40:10
  start choking. I don't know why she was doing
• 40:13
  that but also like this is a woman clearly in distress.
• 40:16
  Yeah, but March 2001, Andrea's father dies.
• 40:22
  She starts picking at her skin, pulling out her hair again,
• 40:25
  ignoring her own health for the next few months.
• 40:29
  She's in and out of psychiatric facilities.
• 40:31
  On a revolving door of medicines, trying to find the
• 40:34
  right combination here. Doctors, tell Rusty, do not
• 40:38
  leave. Andrea alone at all.
• 40:42
  Something that Rusty ignored. He arranged for his mother to
• 40:46
  come and watch the kids with Andrea, but he still left her
• 40:49
  alone for small. Bouts of time.
• 40:51
  He thought that she would become dependent on him and his mother
• 40:55
  for help with her wifely duties. Dude, they told you not to leave
• 40:59
  her alone for a reason April 2001.
• 41:04
  She began seeing a new doctor. His name is dr.
• 41:06
  Mohammad Sayeed a month after that.
• 41:10
  May 3rd, 2001. She regresses to almost a
• 41:13
  catatonic State. When afternoon Rusty's mom, her
• 41:16
  name is Dora Yates finds her. She had filled the The bathtub
• 41:21
  in the middle of the afternoon and when Dora was like, what's
• 41:27
  the bathtub for? She is just like I just wanted
• 41:30
  to of course later on Andrea would say that that was enough,
• 41:34
  that was a day that she had intended on killing the children
• 41:37
  but she changed her mind. She and tell her children that
• 41:43
  at all. I shouldn't tell the doctors at
• 41:44
  it. Of course, of course she was
• 41:46
  hospitalized. Again, the next day, the
• 41:48
  psychiatrist there are met for thought she was suicidal and
• 41:53
  they thought that the tub had been for her.
• 41:58
  Rusty was useless and actually, quite frustrating through this
• 42:02
  whole process. He actually told Andrea at one
• 42:04
  point that she should think happy thoughts.
• 42:07
  I'm gonna punch you in the nuts. Three common phrase of
• 42:10
  neurotypical. People who do not understand how
• 42:12
  any of this works at. All right, there you can Sucker
• 42:16
  Punch right in your boys. Yeah.
• 42:19
  God, he's super, super frustrating.
• 42:22
  Andrea continued to see, dr. Syed.
• 42:24
  Until June 20th 2001. When she was arrested that De
• 42:27
  Rossi left for work. He left her alone to watch the
• 42:30
  children, which was directly against sites.
• 42:33
  Instructions Rusty's. Mother Dora was scheduled to get
• 42:36
  there at 10:00 a.m. to help her for the rest of the day.
• 42:39
  So Rusty, was only going to be gone for an hour.
• 42:42
  They could have stayed that damn our I think so too.
• 42:48
  This is the part where I'm going to explain what happens?
• 42:53
  I have no issue with you. Skipping over like the next like
• 42:57
  Four minutes. To anyone listening?
• 43:01
  Yeah. She filled the bathtub with
• 43:04
  water and she drowned a five year old John first, then she
• 43:11
  carried him. Hugh her and Rusty's bedroom,
• 43:13
  laid him on the bed, covered him with the sheet, she did this
• 43:16
  again to Paul who was three, Luke who was too and then six
• 43:20
  month old Mary while she was in the process of drowning, Mary
• 43:25
  Noah walked into the bathroom. He was now 7 and he was like,
• 43:30
  what's wrong with Barry? Little boy, tried to run away,
• 43:34
  but Andrea caught him and drowned him to.
• 43:39
  She left his body in the tub and took Mary and laid him in John's
• 43:43
  arms. Andrew called the police.
• 43:52
  The I actually saw the transcript of the call to the
• 43:59
  police. It was very weird.
• 44:01
  She was just like, I need him to come and they were like the 911.
• 44:05
  Operators, like, who, who do you need to come?
• 44:08
  And she's like, my husband, and he's like, she's a car.
• 44:10
  You? Okay.
• 44:11
  Are you ill? And she said, yes, I'm Ill.
• 44:15
  And They're like, do you need a police officer?
• 44:21
  Oh, gee. A firefighter.
• 44:23
  And she's just like, yes, firefighters should come.
• 44:26
  Send an ambulance to And then she called her husband.
• 44:33
  Hmm again I already told you the situation where she told them
• 44:38
  it's time. Yeah.
• 44:40
  When the police arrived Andrea was still wet and she greeted
• 44:44
  them at the door, she said very calmly.
• 44:46
  I just killed my kids. Then she sat down in the living
• 44:50
  room and the officers checked. Every account that I read of
• 44:55
  this, and I don't go, I don't have any, I don't go to into
• 44:58
  details on this in my notes, but that it was a very, just a
• 45:02
  life-altering experience for the police officers, who checked
• 45:09
  horrible to walk in, and see the little boy in the tub.
• 45:15
  And then to walk down the hall and see the other four children
• 45:17
  laid out, She told she spoke to detective.
• 45:24
  His name was Ed, Mel saying I'm a bad mother and I deserve to be
• 45:28
  punished. She didn't struggle with the
• 45:30
  police as the EMTs came into the house.
• 45:32
  To see if her children were still alive, she just looked
• 45:35
  kind of blankly at her neighbors as they led her away.
• 45:39
  The police reported that, this is the part that really like
• 45:42
  annoyed me, I just really frustrated me because Rusty was
• 45:45
  like, you're not living up to your wifely duties.
• 45:47
  I'm like, bro. Nobody was doing anything in the
• 45:49
  house because don't lie. They said the house was like
• 45:52
  just super cluttered dishes were everywhere.
• 45:55
  Everything was super messy. like, if she's in such a state
• 46:01
  where she can do nothing, Like, what wifely duties, do you
• 46:08
  think? She's like, becoming dependent
• 46:10
  on you? She can't even wash a dish.
• 46:13
  That's a whole different level. Yeah.
• 46:16
  But the children were confirmed dead when the The medical
• 46:22
  examiner. Got there.
• 46:25
  Rusty was not allowed to enter the home for five hours.
• 46:28
  He told the police that his wife was depressed and that she was
• 46:31
  on medication at the police station.
• 46:35
  They recorded an interview of Andrea Yates and she confessed,
• 46:40
  she's like nearly emaciated at this point she is like
• 46:45
  stuttering. She is, filthy, her scalp is
• 46:49
  covered in bald patches from her.
• 46:51
  Pulling her hair out and scabs from her like Like scratching at
• 46:55
  her scalp, on top of that, the recorded confession was bizarre,
• 47:00
  it was a mixture of her discussing what she did.
• 47:03
  But also it was like all of that, like religious mumbo-jumbo
• 47:09
  Twisted into it. Like this, that she'd like
• 47:12
  internalized over the lack last eight years of being with Rusty,
• 47:17
  like she told him, she killed her children because she was a
• 47:19
  bad mother. She explained exactly.
• 47:21
  Like, I told you in detail like, which one, and how she did it?
• 47:25
  She told the police, like, they were like, well, did the
• 47:27
  children do anything wrong? She's like, no, she's like, mm,
• 47:32
  were you mad at them? She's like, no, they weren't
• 47:35
  developing correctly. And so, they're like, what does
• 47:38
  that mean? And she's just like, well, you
• 47:40
  know, I've been thinking about Doing this for the last two
• 47:42
  years and that she said that she needed to be punished for not,
• 47:47
  raising them correctly, and the officer realized that she wanted
• 47:52
  the criminal justice system to punish her for being a bad mom.
• 47:55
  According to her own religion, she was sure that if things went
• 47:59
  on the way they were going, her evilness would, in fact, these
• 48:03
  children and they would never get to go to heaven, she
• 48:06
  believed that just like the war in Equis.
• 48:08
  Told her, she was damned, but at least she could save her
• 48:11
  children. From Souls.
• 48:13
  She said that she had nearly killed him two months ago,
• 48:16
  chant, but changed her mind. Gave him a name of her current
• 48:18
  psychiatrist. She said she hadn't killed them
• 48:21
  because someone was at home with her at the time, the officer
• 48:25
  interviewing her, shut off the recording, 18 minutes later
• 48:30
  after asking, Andrea to give all the birth dates of her children.
• 48:33
  So for his records that day, she was charged with two counts of
• 48:38
  capital, murder for intentionally and knowingly
• 48:41
  called. The death of three of her
• 48:42
  children with water as the weapon.
• 48:45
  There was no mention on this report at all, of her mental
• 48:49
  illness. Exactly, on the flip side, Rusty
• 48:56
  began telling the press that she had been dealing with serious
• 48:58
  mental health issues, since the birth of their fourth child in
• 49:01
  1989. Dr. Syed called Rusty the day of
• 49:06
  the murders and was shocked. He was like, doctors.
• 49:09
  I eat was under the belief that Rusty's mother lived there with
• 49:12
  them. And she was always there, right?
• 49:15
  Not that she was showing up every morning and then going
• 49:18
  home and I mean, yeah, the latter would make sense and
• 49:21
  former will make sense. One day because this is like a
• 49:27
  media Firestorm at this part. No one can imagine this.
• 49:29
  You know, horrible thing happened and beautiful medical
• 49:32
  Middle America. One day Rusty, goes outside with
• 49:36
  a picture of his family, and tells the group of reporters
• 49:39
  everything he remembers from that day and he publicly
• 49:42
  supports Andrea telling the reporter.
• 49:44
  She's a good. Mom, she just wasn't in her
• 49:46
  right frame of mind. June, 22nd and reappears in
• 49:51
  front of Johnny Belinda Hill and listens to prosecutor kahlan
• 49:55
  will afford. It was well for its first
• 49:57
  capital, murder case, and whole she gave it everything she had.
• 50:01
  No Andrea said, she didn't have her attorney, didn't have an
• 50:05
  attorney and was given a public defender named Bob Scott who
• 50:08
  immediately requested a gag order on everything that was
• 50:12
  going to be investigated. So that it wasn't leaked to the
• 50:14
  Press, he wanted the state to keep quiet.
• 50:17
  On whether they were going to seek the death penalty, the
• 50:20
  prosecution complied. At this point, Rusty got a
• 50:24
  family friend named George parnham to help with the case
• 50:28
  and George. Negotiated a meeting between
• 50:30
  Rusty and Andrea because at this point he wasn't even allowed to
• 50:33
  see her and laughing singing. Here would be the best rejected
• 50:37
  the attorney. There you go.
• 50:39
  She told Rusty, you will be greatly rewarded and then said
• 50:42
  have a nice life and tell him to leave.
• 50:49
  The reason why she was so weird during this interview, this,
• 50:53
  this time was that the president didn't have like the medication
• 50:56
  that she needed, right? So they just were putting her on
• 50:58
  sedatives, so she was just high as a kite that day.
• 51:01
  Like have a nice life by a man, by the name of Wendell Odom was
• 51:08
  enlisted to help parnham when he went to see Andrea.
• 51:13
  She only wanted to know what plea, they were going to submit.
• 51:17
  Her because she said she was not going to plead guilty at this
• 51:22
  point. Wonder was like, I'm not even
• 51:24
  sure you can stand trial for yourself.
• 51:28
  She still even while she was in prison, she still wasn't bathing
• 51:31
  and she was barely aware of the world around her.
• 51:34
  She was still shaking and like scratching at her scalp.
• 51:37
  There was a Doctor by the name of Lucy per year who ended up
• 51:41
  evaluating her for the defense and said that Andrea was
• 51:46
  suffering from something. Called postpartum psychosis and
• 51:49
  described her as the sickest person I have ever seen in my
• 51:52
  life. No, I'm pause this because a lot
• 51:56
  of people know what postpartum depression has.
• 51:57
  Mmm, I didn't actually know what postpartum psychosis was.
• 52:01
  I started reading about that. Yeah, I didn't know that was a
• 52:03
  thing. So postpartum depression occurs
• 52:05
  in about 20 percent of women who have children attended, 20% is
• 52:08
  the, the general percentage. It just happens because there
• 52:13
  are a extreme amount of hormonal shifts.
• 52:17
  Being within the pregnant woman and it, they have weird
• 52:23
  thoughts. They feel unsure.
• 52:25
  Sometimes they have trouble bonding with the child.
• 52:29
  Postpartum psychosis is actually quite where and only occurs in
• 52:34
  about Point 1 to point, 2 percent of all women, who give
• 52:38
  birth, it's treatable but very severe and it can happen to
• 52:45
  women who've never had any Mental Health.
• 52:47
  Issues before, but women who already have a history of mental
• 52:50
  illness or at a higher risk for it.
• 52:53
  It starts within weeks of the pregnancy like the birth, and if
• 52:59
  its treated like quickly, you're perfectly fine.
• 53:02
  But like, as for the symptoms of this, Andrea had them all
• 53:06
  strained believes hearing and seeing things that aren't there.
• 53:09
  Severe confusion. Bouts of mania with a loss of
• 53:12
  touch of reality, Andrews medical records were subpoenaed
• 53:17
  and psychiatrist were ordered to speak to her.
• 53:21
  She very consistently told all of them that God would accept
• 53:25
  her children to heaven, when one of the doctors reverse, the
• 53:30
  question and was like, what would happen if you'd left the
• 53:32
  children alive? Andrea told them, the children
• 53:36
  would continue stumbling in their lives and go to hell.
• 53:39
  When I asked like, what were the children doing to show you that
• 53:43
  you were being a bad mom? Andrea said that they didn't
• 53:46
  treat Rusty's mother with respects and weren't doing the
• 53:49
  things that God liked, which is so vague.
• 53:53
  Yeah. What did the judge did Issue the
• 53:56
  gag order, five days later which is the same way that the
• 53:59
  children were buried. But it didn't really matter
• 54:03
  because information just leaked constantly to the process,
• 54:06
  right? A funeral was reported on the
• 54:08
  media Rusty was Graham and sad and spoke at at each of his
• 54:13
  children's coffins tongue. Labor and good hands and placing
• 54:17
  the Child's favorite toy inside the coffin.
• 54:20
  He gave a eulogy for his children, discussing their
• 54:22
  personalities and he showed pictures of them.
• 54:25
  He read a few Bible verses called it, God's Will and sat
• 54:28
  down. Andrea was not permitted to
• 54:31
  attend her children's funeral but other family members did by
• 54:36
  June 28th. The media were predicting what
• 54:38
  was going to happen here. Texas juries are very apt to
• 54:44
  recommend. The death penalty but they have
• 54:46
  always found it. Hard to kill mother's.
• 54:50
  Hmm, as of May 17th 2021. There are 17.
• 54:54
  Women on death, row for killing their children, but roughly 180
• 54:59
  children are killed by their mothers, every year in the u.s.
• 55:03
  Oh my God. So Of the ones that happened
• 55:07
  every year, like what less than one percent of them actually end
• 55:10
  up on death row. For some reason, as a culture,
• 55:13
  we really struggle to Put a woman to death.
• 55:17
  Put a mother to death. Yeah it's rigged.
• 55:21
  It's weird. You child enough.
• 55:25
  Texas indicted Andrea for the deaths of Noah John and Mary on
• 55:30
  July 31st, 2001. They Prevail Leaf earring as to
• 55:33
  why they did not include the all the children is that.
• 55:37
  If the initial charges didn't go the way the state wanted, they
• 55:41
  could prosecute her again and not fall under.
• 55:45
  Look at them using their brain. Yep, so they like listen, we're
• 55:48
  going to do these first three and if this doesn't go the way
• 55:50
  we want, we're going to prosecute the other two.
• 55:52
  There you go. Judge Hill ordered a third
• 55:54
  Psych. For Andrea for her arraignment
• 55:58
  be Raymond. Is when you're expected to
• 56:00
  submit your plea and here, the formal charges against you, she
• 56:04
  appeared in court, August 8, 2001.
• 56:06
  She was thinner than she first appeared in.
• 56:08
  June, she been put back on the same antipsychotic that had
• 56:11
  worked for her in 1989, but it didn't seem to be working.
• 56:14
  Now she was very clearly deteriorating.
• 56:18
  But the Texas court appointed psychiatrist is like nah, she's
• 56:21
  good. Her legal team did not agree and
• 56:24
  they wanted to draw To see and decide for themselves.
• 56:32
  Since the psychiatrist they'd all hired said that Andrea was
• 56:35
  not competent enough to just to stand trial, competency, hearing
• 56:40
  meeting that she's able to participate in her own defense
• 56:43
  and fully comprehend what's happening in court, right?
• 56:47
  The judge would agree. Look at the medical testimony
• 56:49
  from dr. Syed.
• 56:50
  That was given to the grand jury before her indictment and they
• 56:53
  set up a competency hearing the day.
• 56:58
  After they say, the judge agreed to the competency hearing the
• 57:03
  prosecution was like, yeah. So we're going to be seeking the
• 57:05
  death penalty so much for that gag order, right?
• 57:10
  The judge ordered. No one could speak publicly
• 57:12
  about this. But Rusty did a 60 Minutes
• 57:15
  interview oh my God, where he showed videos of the children
• 57:18
  and talked about his life with Andrea, but he was careful.
• 57:21
  Not to give any opinions about the trial or talk about anything
• 57:25
  involving the try. Well.
• 57:26
  Okay. I mean, that's not too bad.
• 57:28
  He did everything, but so I'm jury selection began a week
• 57:30
  after September 11th because everything.
• 57:34
  Shut down for September 11th. Yes, that wild doesn't want this
• 57:38
  happened. That year.
• 57:40
  So, aim of the books that I read for this cop, Breaking Point by
• 57:44
  Suzie Spencer, it goes into some intense details about this
• 57:49
  competency trial, there were hundreds of pages of documents
• 57:52
  submitted to the court defense, experts saying, she's not come,
• 57:56
  you know, competent prosecution saying.
• 57:58
  She is lawyers arguing about the state psychologist.
• 58:02
  Being allowed to visit Andrea without the defense knowledge.
• 58:06
  The judge ruled that that interview couldn't be used but
• 58:09
  the end of the While it's still got used those all crazy.
• 58:13
  There's this, his name is dr. Joan Harris.
• 58:15
  And he testified that he met Andrea four times and that she
• 58:18
  showed signs of psychosis an hallucination on June 25th.
• 58:23
  That's five days after the murder.
• 58:25
  Hmm. She was seeing visions of Satan
• 58:27
  in her jail cell. He told the court.
• 58:29
  She had a hard time understanding questions and it
• 58:31
  would take her like a really long time to like process.
• 58:37
  What he was asking her. The one thing that Andrea seemed
• 58:41
  to be certain of, is that she deserved to be executed and go
• 58:44
  to hell. Because once she was killed the
• 58:47
  Devil Within her would be destroyed.
• 58:51
  She insisted, she didn't need a lawyer, she was not going to
• 58:54
  plead guilty and then she wanted to shave her head to prove that
• 58:58
  she had been given the mark of Satan and it was on her scalp.
• 59:02
  And if she shaved her head, then won't be able to see it.
• 59:05
  Oh, my God, dr. Harris did tell the court that
• 59:08
  after three months of being medicated, she did seem to stop
• 59:11
  having hallucinations and could hold on to like have a
• 59:15
  conversation, but she still struggled with delusions.
• 59:18
  And while she was a Rather like average intelligence woman.
• 59:23
  She struggled with remembering things, which is kind of
• 59:26
  important for a trial where you're supposed to remember the
• 59:29
  details of what you did, right? And it's like I said, if someone
• 59:32
  with MVD, your memory like long-term depression, and your
• 59:38
  memory, it's just shot, I just forget stuff, I know it's awful,
• 59:44
  it makes me feel terrible. Goodness, there's another doctor
• 59:49
  named Laura. Marin gel who testified about
• 59:53
  the changes that happen to your brain at different psychological
• 59:56
  States dr. Mary and Joe is actually an
• 59:59
  expert on depression and she walks the court through the
• 1:00:02
  previous two years of Andrea's life and said that with
• 1:00:06
  extensive treatment Andrea could become competent.
• 1:00:10
  But at this moment she was not the prosecution used the prison
• 1:00:14
  staff to support their assertion that Andrea was okay, there was
• 1:00:18
  a doctor named Steve rubin's. Sir, who spent 10 hours with her
• 1:00:22
  and done tests? This was the one that the
• 1:00:25
  defense was disputing because the defense wasn't there when
• 1:00:28
  they did these competency time, September 24th, 2001, a jury of
• 1:00:35
  11 men and one woman deemed her fit to stand trial on October
• 1:00:39
  30th. Andrea's attorneys filed, 36,
• 1:00:43
  pretrial, motions, everything in the book that they could file,
• 1:00:48
  they did. But the most important one was
• 1:00:50
  that, the court reconsider part of the Texas criminal code that
• 1:00:54
  would stop jurors from knowing that a verdict of Not Guilty.
• 1:00:58
  By reason of insanity was not actually Acquittal, and I didn't
• 1:01:03
  realize this either, like, I think, you know, it kind of but
• 1:01:07
  you people always say, like, oh, that person got away with, you
• 1:01:10
  know, Murder By reason of insanity.
• 1:01:13
  No, but the reality of that is that you don't like get to go
• 1:01:16
  free. No, no.
• 1:01:17
  You agree to like go to a mental facility, roughly for the rest
• 1:01:21
  of your life. Yep.
• 1:01:22
  You just aren't going to prison. But I mean, really, if we're
• 1:01:25
  arguing if some psychiatric facilities are like present
• 1:01:28
  mostly in his prison. Yeah.
• 1:01:30
  So People like the common. I think general idea in America
• 1:01:36
  is that you get to walk away from this but that's not true at
• 1:01:39
  all. So what her attorneys wanted was
• 1:01:43
  for them to essentially say, like, know if you do this if you
• 1:01:47
  give her, you know, guilty, not guilty.
• 1:01:49
  By reason of insanity, it doesn't mean she gets away with
• 1:01:52
  murder. I just mean she's going to go to
• 1:01:54
  a facility that can actually help her, right?
• 1:01:56
  But apparently in Texas, you can't do that.
• 1:02:01
  We're not allowed to know that whatnot.
• 1:02:04
  It's against the rules. It's against the rules are
• 1:02:07
  against the law. It's part of the Texas criminal
• 1:02:10
  code. That jurors are not supposed to
• 1:02:12
  understand like that about that verdict.
• 1:02:15
  That's some bullshit. It's weird.
• 1:02:17
  And it's something that after this case has been disputed,
• 1:02:20
  like, why wouldn't you want your jurors to be fully like before
• 1:02:23
  we understand what's going on? That's what I said too.
• 1:02:28
  Now, Andrea is defense. Also wanted her Russian thrown
• 1:02:32
  out because it was done about an hour after the murders where she
• 1:02:35
  was not on any medication and she was definitely not competent
• 1:02:39
  enough to waive her right to an attorney that day.
• 1:02:40
  Yeah, but it's what you didn't do, it was the freshest.
• 1:02:43
  So at this end, they were trying and November a psychiatrist for
• 1:02:48
  the prosecution interviewed Andrea, his name was dr.
• 1:02:52
  Park Dietz, and he is a nationally well-known forensic
• 1:02:56
  psychiatrist who worked on Jeffrey, Dahmer's case for the
• 1:03:00
  FBI. Oh as well as Susan Smith.
• 1:03:03
  Who also drowned her children. Oh wait, you said Jeffrey
• 1:03:06
  Dahmer? You mean your boy?
• 1:03:07
  No Dahmer know until my Bundy. Well no not but probably not
• 1:03:12
  your voice. Not my boy, not your boy.
• 1:03:18
  Oh my God. Okay Dahmer is not my boy.
• 1:03:22
  Despite him being a very well respected forensic psychiatrist.
• 1:03:27
  He knew virtually nothing about postpartum depression or
• 1:03:30
  psychosis. It wasn't his area of expertise
• 1:03:35
  that interview was taped and released to the public.
• 1:03:39
  Oh, they probably eat him alive. She know, she repeated a lot of
• 1:03:42
  what I've told though, but she I told you to dr.
• 1:03:45
  Dietz. December was really tough month.
• 1:03:47
  The defense lost nearly all of their emotions, specifically,
• 1:03:50
  the one about the jury, they begin what year which is jury
• 1:03:56
  selection. January 6, 2002, eight women,
• 1:03:59
  and four men were chosen. Seven of those jurors had
• 1:04:02
  children and to had degrees in Psychology.
• 1:04:04
  Hmm. All were aware that they were
• 1:04:07
  allowed to choose the death penalty trial was set for
• 1:04:10
  February. Eighteenth, two thousand two.
• 1:04:12
  This was super high profile and the literally like Every night,
• 1:04:17
  the media's medical experts were debating, whether Andrea Yates
• 1:04:21
  was actually crazy. We should she get off like The
• 1:04:26
  prosecution was like, listen, Andrew Greg Yates drowned, her
• 1:04:28
  five kids. She knew it was wrong.
• 1:04:30
  She known because she didn't kill them when her husband was
• 1:04:34
  home the month before and she waited until he was gone the day
• 1:04:37
  that she did it then she called the police.
• 1:04:41
  Both Williford and her partner. Joseph own be tried to keep the
• 1:04:45
  jury focused on the fact that she knew what was right when it
• 1:04:48
  happened and that her mental health wasn't really a factor.
• 1:04:52
  Of course the defense was that she didn't know What she was
• 1:04:55
  doing, because she is insane as we discussed during the Herbert
• 1:04:59
  Mullin case. And episode 13, this is still
• 1:05:02
  very hard to prove in court. Andrea's defends said that she'd
• 1:05:07
  been suffering from postpartum depression.
• 1:05:08
  Since her second son was born postpartum psychosis since the
• 1:05:12
  final child was born her lawyer. Parnham said that Andrea's
• 1:05:17
  mental illness was so severe. And so long-standing that Andrea
• 1:05:22
  Yates ability to think is at an abstract To give narrative
• 1:05:26
  responses and to be able to connect the dots is impaired.
• 1:05:31
  Hmm? Really?
• 1:05:33
  He specifically avoided bringing up the religious stuff because
• 1:05:39
  he thought that her fixation on religion was a manifestation of
• 1:05:43
  the bigger problem. Like it wasn't.
• 1:05:45
  Just the devil made me do it. It was that's a movie coming
• 1:05:48
  out. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:50
  Oh wow. It's about the warrants to.
• 1:05:52
  Oh wow. Yeah, we have to watch it.
• 1:05:55
  I'm sorry. They were going to leave it up
• 1:05:57
  to the jurors decide if she was in the midst of a debilitating
• 1:06:00
  psychotic State, when she killed her children.
• 1:06:03
  This is rough because now after a year of consistent, medical
• 1:06:06
  treatment, Andrea looked a lot better.
• 1:06:09
  And it would be unethical to remove her from the medications
• 1:06:12
  to show how she behaves when she's not on.
• 1:06:14
  Yeah, please don't know where the enough during Yates
• 1:06:18
  testified for the prosecution on how Andrea did nothing at home,
• 1:06:24
  but you sit and stare into space.
• 1:06:27
  And so like, a lot of people who reported on this guy, read a
• 1:06:30
  couple of years, our curls news articles and they were just like
• 1:06:34
  This kind of was more helpful to the defense.
• 1:06:37
  Yeah, absolutely saying that. Like she pretty much was at home
• 1:06:40
  in a catatonic State all the time.
• 1:06:42
  Thank you. Regardless.
• 1:06:43
  We appreciate your help. One of the other things that the
• 1:06:46
  prosecution did was they showed a picture of one of the
• 1:06:52
  children's like clenched Fist and it had some of Andrea's hair
• 1:06:56
  in it. So I let the baby have fought
• 1:06:58
  back when I have the baby but one of the other children for
• 1:07:01
  that, right? And also too Show how small
• 1:07:04
  their little hands were when they died.
• 1:07:07
  Andrea's lawyer was like, this is just an attempt to work up
• 1:07:11
  the jury. It was, right.
• 1:07:17
  They also showed the pajamas, they like literally entered the
• 1:07:20
  children's pajamas into evidence to show how small they were come
• 1:07:24
  on and how Andrea was so much bigger.
• 1:07:26
  We know how big seven-year-old five, right.
• 1:07:29
  So we don't like, literally this is like a 50 pound child.
• 1:07:32
  Yeah, we know how big they are, you know.
• 1:07:33
  Shows us the phone in to see it. The defense launch their portion
• 1:07:37
  of the trial. They started with the prison
• 1:07:39
  psychiatrist. Melissa Ferguson to give the
• 1:07:42
  court, an idea of what Andrea looked like, when she entered
• 1:07:44
  the prison, how she couldn't answer any questions or really
• 1:07:47
  talk much. One of the books that I read for
• 1:07:50
  this podcast is called, are you there alone?
• 1:07:52
  And it was from Suzanne O'Malley and one of the most bizarre
• 1:07:56
  things that Suzanne points out about this entire relationship.
• 1:08:00
  But specifically, the trial is that Rusty Yates is almost As
• 1:08:03
  delusional as his wife. He made team this almost
• 1:08:06
  childish naivete, that Andre would be found innocent and that
• 1:08:11
  they would have more children after she left a mental health,
• 1:08:16
  facility boy know at some point, while he was testifying in her
• 1:08:21
  defense, I think it might have, he might have finally really
• 1:08:24
  understood the breadth of his wife's illness because before
• 1:08:28
  the murders Rusty, was very much.
• 1:08:29
  The type of person to tell, you know, people just didn't think
• 1:08:32
  happy thoughts, Or. Brian Kennedy.
• 1:08:38
  Andrea's brother said that one time, he even said that, like
• 1:08:42
  depressed people just needed like a swift kick in the rear.
• 1:08:45
  You need a swift kick and to get you know in gear and your face.
• 1:08:48
  Sir you fucking cloning during Rusty's testimony though he had
• 1:08:54
  a bone to pick with dr. Sayid So mind, you doctor say
• 1:09:00
  eat is the one who said don't leave her alone, you ever.
• 1:09:03
  Yeah. What's his problem with dr.
• 1:09:06
  So rusty said, doctor said he is responsible for my wife's mental
• 1:09:09
  care. Not me.
• 1:09:10
  I'm not a mental health care, professional.
• 1:09:12
  And since Andrea hadn't told him about the hallucinations, he's
• 1:09:16
  like, I assume that what was being done, you know, was being
• 1:09:19
  done boy as your wife, right know this stuff but he, that's
• 1:09:24
  what I'm saying. He was neglectful of heard
• 1:09:26
  throughout their entire relationship.
• 1:09:27
  It's not yours. Not the doctors fault.
• 1:09:30
  You it's like partly your fault too, because you weren't paying
• 1:09:32
  attention to her. You weren't there for her, you
• 1:09:36
  are sure your fucking asshole. God, I'm sorry.
• 1:09:41
  Well, Rusty also said that if she was as sick as dr.
• 1:09:45
  Syed had told the cops, then she should have never been released
• 1:09:50
  at all. She should have been left alone,
• 1:09:52
  like, which astral fucking left her alone.
• 1:09:54
  She should have been released but doc Dr. Saeed also told the
• 1:09:58
  cops that he didn't want to release Andrea, but her
• 1:10:02
  insurance, only covered her stay, in an inpatient facility
• 1:10:06
  for 10 days. Hmm.
• 1:10:10
  So they were at a loss. Doctor said he did testify in
• 1:10:16
  the third week of the trial that when he met with Andrea two days
• 1:10:20
  before the murder, she was not displaying psychosis at that
• 1:10:23
  time and that he had diagnosed her with depression with
• 1:10:26
  psychotic features. The defense questioned his notes
• 1:10:33
  and said, did you add these after she got arrested for
• 1:10:37
  murder and say he was like, no, because they were saying that he
• 1:10:41
  didn't do his job. And that he should have been a
• 1:10:44
  little more thorough. I'm pretty like I'm pretty sure
• 1:10:48
  he did the best he could do what he could like.
• 1:10:54
  Nobody else was there to help, right?
• 1:10:56
  Like she was lucky enough to get like a doctor like let her
• 1:11:00
  husband. Her husband actually took her
• 1:11:02
  right? Yeah.
• 1:11:02
  At that point. Well Andrews mother spoke on her
• 1:11:05
  behalf she was not cross-examined and then they
• 1:11:08
  brought out their big guns. Three very well-known
• 1:11:11
  psychiatrist Philip Resnick Steve rosenblatt and Lucy per
• 1:11:16
  year this was a three-part plan so rosenblatt had interviewed
• 1:11:19
  Andrea five days after the killing and say that Andrea was
• 1:11:22
  in a deep sleep. Of psychosis and that it would
• 1:11:25
  have taken weeks for her to get this bad.
• 1:11:27
  Not days, which directly cuts into dr.
• 1:11:31
  Saeed's diagnosis of saying, that two days before the murder.
• 1:11:33
  She was all right, hmm. Per year, focused on the
• 1:11:37
  internalized. Shame from her first to it, that
• 1:11:40
  suicide attempt and how she had had a lot of secrecy about her
• 1:11:43
  suicidal, ideation after that because after that, she didn't
• 1:11:46
  tell anybody about any of the stuff she was thinking, or
• 1:11:49
  seeing or hearing, right prayer. Also handled the main chunk of
• 1:11:52
  explaining to the The jury the difference between postpartum
• 1:11:55
  depression and psychosis. Then Resnick, his speciality was
• 1:12:01
  parasite. He referred to the killings as
• 1:12:04
  being altruistic in nature, and that she knew what she was doing
• 1:12:10
  was illegal. But she believed that her choice
• 1:12:12
  to override this, right? And wrong, was because she was
• 1:12:19
  doing it for the betterment of the child.
• 1:12:20
  That actually makes sense, right?
• 1:12:22
  So this wasn't like, I'm killing my kids because I don't know.
• 1:12:26
  Some man wants me to move to, you know.
• 1:12:29
  Yeah. North Carolina or something dumb
• 1:12:31
  like that. Like this was done with her
• 1:12:33
  thinking about their best interest at heart, but she knew
• 1:12:36
  it was wrong but she does, she didn't know.
• 1:12:38
  It was wrong to kill people. Yeah.
• 1:12:41
  Resident met her in her cell on two separate occasions and he
• 1:12:45
  was just like, I'm pretty sure she's schizophrenic as well.
• 1:12:49
  His diagnosis did contradict the other doctors but he's just
• 1:12:52
  simply Stated like listen this is just my interpretation of the
• 1:12:55
  same data that we're all looking at right after that, the
• 1:13:00
  prosecution had their opportunity for rebuttal and
• 1:13:03
  that is when they bought it, brought in dr.
• 1:13:05
  Park Dietz. This was a big deal.
• 1:13:08
  Because dr. Dietz and dr.
• 1:13:10
  Resnick had been on the opposite side of the courtroom before and
• 1:13:13
  dates usually 100. He was very good at explaining
• 1:13:17
  complex things in simple ways forgeries, which tends to earn
• 1:13:22
  you favor in courtroom. Do you like to be talked to like
• 1:13:25
  I don't know things. This is because sometimes
• 1:13:27
  actually explain to me like I'm five like playing a courtroom
• 1:13:30
  like because sometimes I am stupid and you need to talk to
• 1:13:33
  me like a child. Like these cases are long.
• 1:13:35
  They go on for weeks. Like you need somebody to
• 1:13:37
  explain like, okay. Can you just say and basic words
• 1:13:40
  with psychosis says, because I'm tired of hearing, my 12th grades
• 1:13:44
  13th grade language. Y'all need to move on from there
• 1:13:47
  to youth green 13th, grade. Listen, I'm not ready for 13th,
• 1:13:50
  grave right now, sir. In fact, during the trial Deets
• 1:13:55
  used PowerPoint and he admitted yes Andrea Yates is seriously
• 1:14:00
  mentally ill, but she a, he said, she hadn't acted like a
• 1:14:03
  mother who was saving her children.
• 1:14:05
  He said she was aware of her delusions and had not done
• 1:14:08
  anything to protect her children Dietz point out that in Yates
• 1:14:11
  own words. She had committed a sin and she
• 1:14:14
  knew what she had done was wrong.
• 1:14:16
  He also pointed out that Yates deserve the death penalty for
• 1:14:19
  crimes and that her covering the children's bodies with.
• 1:14:23
  His sheet was a sign of guilt. He also wondered why she hadn't
• 1:14:28
  comforted her children or reassured them afterward.
• 1:14:32
  That this was an act of love. Dietz.
• 1:14:37
  Also, blamed Rusty to thank you. He remind the court that doctor
• 1:14:41
  Sayid and also another doctor who did she had worked with
• 1:14:46
  before dr. Eileen star Branch had.
• 1:14:48
  Advised her not to go off her meds to get pregnant and not to
• 1:14:52
  leave Andrea alone. This is true.
• 1:14:55
  He said that Russia should have realized that.
• 1:14:56
  If a doctor was saying, don't leave her alone.
• 1:15:00
  It means you can't leave her alone with the kids.
• 1:15:04
  He Point out that Andrea had been living in an unhealthy
• 1:15:07
  condition for a very long time and had not received the
• 1:15:10
  Continuous Care that she needed to recover.
• 1:15:14
  And that's the really big word here.
• 1:15:16
  Continuous Care. It's one thing for Rusty to
• 1:15:19
  compete. Taking her back to the doctors
• 1:15:20
  every couple months. Yeah.
• 1:15:22
  But she need ongoing consistent. Medical Healthcare really
• 1:15:26
  hourly. Like that's like it's one of
• 1:15:30
  those interesting things. After my mom passed, I was
• 1:15:33
  seeing a therapist twice a week. every week for months, that That
• 1:15:39
  matters. So like if you're saying that
• 1:15:42
  somebody's in this like deep psych psychosis, I was nowhere
• 1:15:45
  near anything like that and you were at least and I was a weed.
• 1:15:49
  Yeah I was still going to see a therapist twice a week so I feel
• 1:15:53
  like honestly like I said like dr.
• 1:15:55
  Sagan said she should have been committed.
• 1:15:57
  Yeah and she was only getting hit like we just like once a
• 1:15:59
  month naughty. Yeah.
• 1:16:00
  It was like one time, will the year that this happened?
• 1:16:03
  Yeah, April May a couple of June, like, I'm like once a
• 1:16:08
  month is not enough, that's that's what you Like you get put
• 1:16:12
  on once a month, appointments, when you're in like, full-on
• 1:16:15
  like recovery and they're like, I was going to check on you
• 1:16:18
  every so often you're doing good.
• 1:16:20
  That's what I'll do for counseling once a month.
• 1:16:22
  Yeah, that's that's kind of, like, where would be now for me
• 1:16:26
  like, hey, you know, what did you stop by once a month to keep
• 1:16:29
  up with you. Exactly.
• 1:16:30
  But like, once a month for somebody who is this far down
• 1:16:34
  the rabbit hole? It's at, it's not enough.
• 1:16:38
  Now, Dietz also said in court that when Was imprisoned.
• 1:16:42
  She told him, I shouldn't have done this, he did concede that.
• 1:16:46
  It's possible that Andrea psychosis could have gotten
• 1:16:48
  worse after she killed the children, so that the other
• 1:16:51
  doctors weren't lying, but that he did say that the delusions
• 1:16:56
  that she told him and the delusion, she told the other
• 1:17:00
  doctors days and weeks later were different.
• 1:17:05
  It was his opinion that her motive for murder was the same
• 1:17:09
  as her motive for suicide. She saw, no way out of her life
• 1:17:13
  with a man who gave her no help and left her with five children.
• 1:17:16
  This was a way for her to escape and the same way that she was
• 1:17:19
  trying to escape by killing herself.
• 1:17:22
  He also liquid on this weird tangent where he said that
• 1:17:25
  Andrea had seen a law-and-order episode about a mother who
• 1:17:29
  killed her children. I had gotten away with murder.
• 1:17:32
  Hmm. That's going to come up later.
• 1:17:37
  Closing arguments happen. Williford dramatically asked the
• 1:17:40
  jury to sit in silence for the three minutes that would have
• 1:17:44
  taken for each of the children to die.
• 1:17:47
  I know very dramatic parnham, just decided to reiterate what
• 1:17:51
  the psychiatrist said and let their work speak for him.
• 1:17:55
  The jury deliberated for three hours and returned with a
• 1:17:58
  verdict on March 12th. 2002 Andrea was guilty, Rusty cried
• 1:18:03
  in the courtroom. Andrea tried to give her brother
• 1:18:06
  Brian a smile. But cried as they, let her out
• 1:18:10
  the nation debated, whether she could have death penalty or not.
• 1:18:13
  Every imaginable concept was run through the verdict was unfair.
• 1:18:17
  Give her life in prison. The verdict is fair as you
• 1:18:19
  deserve to die. Would it have been different if
• 1:18:21
  the jurors had known about the Not Guilty by insanity?
• 1:18:25
  You rolling. Yes.
• 1:18:26
  Why are they allowed to know this information?
• 1:18:28
  They would have definitely been different.
• 1:18:30
  And can I say something, I all the psychologists in this, I
• 1:18:34
  just noticed a Galaxy psychology going on with it.
• 1:18:38
  Just give me like a huge brain boner.
• 1:18:40
  Right now, I'm just learning all this cool stuff.
• 1:18:43
  It was like, oh my God. Yes.
• 1:18:44
  Well, are you ready for this bombshell?
• 1:18:47
  Yeah. Go ahead.
• 1:18:48
  The defense discover that Park Dietz.
• 1:18:52
  Lied. That episode of Law & Order that
• 1:18:55
  he was sure that Andrea had seen in told him about never
• 1:18:59
  happened. And the best part about this is
• 1:19:02
  the reason why they even found out about this is because of one
• 1:19:05
  of the women who wrote the book because she was that, I read the
• 1:19:09
  one that came out in 2005. I'm her name is Suzanne.
• 1:19:15
  I forget her last name that fast.
• 1:19:16
  I've already mentioned her like four times Suzanne O'Malley was
• 1:19:20
  she like, I'm Dan Suzanne. O'Malley was a writer for Law
• 1:19:23
  and Order. See her name and yes.
• 1:19:25
  Yes, Susie and O'Malley is a writer for the writer, for Law
• 1:19:29
  and Order and almost immediately she could, she was working.
• 1:19:34
  She was writing for this what she's writing this book, but she
• 1:19:36
  was also working for Oprah and the New York Times covering the
• 1:19:41
  case. So she immediately was like, no,
• 1:19:44
  I I checked with everyone who I know who still writes on this
• 1:19:48
  show. There's no episode about a woman
• 1:19:52
  killing her family in a bathtub and getting away with murder.
• 1:19:54
  Oh, you know. Now they did release an episode
• 1:19:58
  about that in 2004, but that is three years after this case,
• 1:20:02
  yeah, that happened later, right?
• 1:20:05
  So that kind of crazy that's wild.
• 1:20:11
  That one of the, the people like, this is a former writer
• 1:20:14
  for a An order who is also a at this point.
• 1:20:17
  Honestly, I should just like I've read a lot of Susan,
• 1:20:20
  O'Malley's books for these podcasts.
• 1:20:23
  I need to send her an email me. Like you know, you want to be on
• 1:20:25
  our podcast because I like you. But I who knew that?
• 1:20:30
  Like I didn't realize that that like, that's why that detail,
• 1:20:35
  the fact that this woman was doing this case. is ultimately
• 1:20:41
  the reason why this case gets overturned, I don't mind that
• 1:20:48
  because die, I don't don't be like, come on now.
• 1:20:51
  So the funny thing here is that Dietz sends a letter and he's
• 1:20:53
  just like, I'm an error. I guess Andrea.
• 1:20:56
  Never told me about this, his reputation does take a little
• 1:20:59
  bit of a hit, but he is still considered to be a renowned
• 1:21:02
  successful forensic psychiatrist parnham and Odom, ask for a
• 1:21:07
  mistrial immediately but judge held declines it.
• 1:21:10
  I mean, it was just that one line though.
• 1:21:12
  We can't blink cause a mistrial for me.
• 1:21:16
  Yeah, really okay. Leo that's bring the jury meets
• 1:21:20
  again, to discuss sentencing and in under an hour actually was
• 1:21:23
  under 40 minutes. They come back and they give her
• 1:21:26
  life in prison option for parole in 2041, the jury even like
• 1:21:31
  barely even discuss the death penalty, which is exactly what
• 1:21:34
  we were talking about earlier, which is that we just do not
• 1:21:37
  want to put a mom in jail, like, Mom on death row.
• 1:21:39
  Yeah. Andrea didn't seem to really
• 1:21:43
  react Snooze in the courtroom. She was sent to Mountain View
• 1:21:48
  unit which is a state. Psychiatry president Eastern,
• 1:21:50
  Texas. Rusty did all manner of
• 1:21:53
  interviews he could I'd his name popped up.
• 1:21:55
  So often in my research he insisted his family had been a
• 1:21:58
  victim of the poor mental health system in the United States that
• 1:22:02
  he, he ignored that he had been warned and said that Andrea had
• 1:22:06
  never properly been treated and then he set up a website to
• 1:22:10
  describe his side of things and show pictures of his family's
• 1:22:13
  and yes. Yes, I did.
• 1:22:14
  Look up that website. It's called Yates kids.org and
• 1:22:17
  currently it is not working. Look here, I want to call.
• 1:22:21
  I want to call. Now, many people believe like
• 1:22:25
  you, I'm dying, many, many people believe like you though,
• 1:22:32
  that Rusty was culpable and that's the fish.
• 1:22:35
  Absolutely others also said that dr.
• 1:22:38
  Sayed should have looked further into her medical history and
• 1:22:41
  maybe put her on the medicine and she had been on a 99.
• 1:22:45
  In fact dozens of emails were sent to the local Harris County,
• 1:22:48
  DA Chuck, Rosenthal to investigate both of them, do
• 1:22:52
  nice Rusty, repeatedly was just like listen it was just an hour
• 1:22:56
  and my mom was going to be there.
• 1:22:57
  An hour. Yeah.
• 1:22:58
  But you know how long it takes to kill somebody.
• 1:23:01
  Not very long. Really?
• 1:23:02
  It takes three minutes to drop someone what this is.
• 1:23:04
  Or at least the child green children though.
• 1:23:06
  This, what they charge her for right to become children?
• 1:23:09
  Yeah, one minute per Jack. Yeah, actually, every year
• 1:23:13
  before summer camp, we have to go through water, safety
• 1:23:15
  training, and our head lifeguard tells us that 30 seconds, that's
• 1:23:21
  how quickly a kid can receive lose.
• 1:23:25
  So much oxygen at. They have permanent brain
• 1:23:27
  damage. Really.
• 1:23:28
  Yep. Scared the crap out of me.
• 1:23:29
  The first year I ever started working for them.
• 1:23:31
  Oh my God. That's like 30 seconds.
• 1:23:33
  Oh God. What never let them out of your
• 1:23:36
  sight when they're near water? No, not at all terrifying.
• 1:23:39
  Oh my God. Okay.
• 1:23:41
  Well swimming. This Rusty.
• 1:23:42
  Blame the hospital and the doctors he threatened to sue
• 1:23:45
  them but there was no investigation into Rusty and no
• 1:23:48
  lawsuit. Ultimately January 6, 2005.
• 1:23:56
  So Three years. After the initial verdict, the
• 1:24:02
  Texas court of appeals overturns, Andrea sentence, dr.
• 1:24:06
  Parks Dietz, false statement, had Prejudice, the jury, and
• 1:24:10
  that was considered to be a miscarriage of Justice.
• 1:24:13
  Because essentially Dietz was saying that she had
• 1:24:16
  premeditated. Like this was a premeditated
• 1:24:19
  murder. Okay, so, okay, so if they
• 1:24:22
  thought that she had planned this ahead of time, yeah, and
• 1:24:25
  there's no way they were ever going to consider.
• 1:24:28
  That she was insane. Prosecutors insisted.
• 1:24:32
  They did not purposefully mislead the court but it didn't
• 1:24:35
  matter. January 9th, 2006, Andrea
• 1:24:38
  submitted, a plea of Not Guilty. By reason of insanity and on
• 1:24:41
  February 1st 2006, she was granted release on bail on the
• 1:24:45
  condition that she would stay at a mental health facility and
• 1:24:48
  complete her treatment. So she was actually allowed out
• 1:24:51
  of prison during the trial. Okay?
• 1:24:53
  July 25th, 2006 after three days of deliberation, Andrea Yates
• 1:24:58
  Was found not guilty and committed to the North Texas
• 1:25:02
  State Hospital at Vernon campus about a year later.
• 1:25:05
  She was deemed well enough to go to a low-security facility and
• 1:25:09
  Kerrville Texas where she has been at the Kerrville state
• 1:25:13
  hospital. She's currently 56 years old and
• 1:25:17
  enjoys arts and crafts. Nice Mystery of Life in there
• 1:25:20
  then yeah she the she could potentially be released its
• 1:25:28
  Highly unlikely that. Yeah I don't think with
• 1:25:30
  everything that she went through and how many years she went
• 1:25:33
  untreated unfortunately, mental like severe mental health stuff
• 1:25:41
  does change not your brain chemistry, but it almost changes
• 1:25:44
  like the way your brain works. They have done, they've taken, I
• 1:25:50
  forget what those CAT scan. Yes, cat-scans of people with
• 1:25:55
  different mental illnesses, and compared those to people who are
• 1:25:59
  neurotypical and you're like, your synapses fire differently.
• 1:26:05
  Hmm. Since we're being so open about
• 1:26:09
  my mental health, this episode, one of the things that I learned
• 1:26:14
  after having a very traumatic childhood before I was adopted,
• 1:26:19
  is that I am consistently in fight or flight mode.
• 1:26:23
  My brain automatically assumes, the worst thing is going to
• 1:26:28
  happen. How can I navigate?
• 1:26:30
  How to deal with this? And I am 33 years old.
• 1:26:34
  It's just something that I've learned to deal with and that I
• 1:26:36
  have, I cannot trust my instant reaction to things.
• 1:26:41
  I have to stop and go. You can work through this, this
• 1:26:49
  is not life or death, but because when I was so little so
• 1:26:54
  much was life and death and more than likely when I was, my brain
• 1:27:00
  was forming itself and becoming a big people brain.
• 1:27:03
  I didn't get a chance to not constantly be in that sense of
• 1:27:08
  anxiety and fear as a kid. I mean speaking from Like my
• 1:27:14
  son, like I can just see like how all this.
• 1:27:18
  He's very anxious to is. He does suffer from anxiety.
• 1:27:22
  He does and I can just see like, if you learn how to deal with
• 1:27:26
  it. Exactly, if you didn't have any
• 1:27:27
  help for it at all, then, you know, then I can just see him
• 1:27:31
  growing up with just. Just two biggest, I don't know,
• 1:27:36
  just having like a bad time. Basically, the nice thing about
• 1:27:39
  it is that you have, you know, sort, Help with this.
• 1:27:45
  Yes, you don't have to just be anxious all the time.
• 1:27:47
  It was amazing to me. I'd like 28 years old.
• 1:27:50
  I remember like telling my ex at the time like do you know how
• 1:27:55
  wonderful it is? Not to worry about you all the
• 1:27:57
  time because I just assumed that, that was how all people
• 1:27:59
  were I assumed that if I called like that normal, like the
• 1:28:03
  everybody freaked out when you called your parent and they
• 1:28:06
  didn't pick up the phone and like, when I was a teenager, I
• 1:28:10
  would call my parents repeatedly over and over and over and Over
• 1:28:13
  again. If they weren't home on time, I
• 1:28:15
  was always afraid. I didn't think I didn't think
• 1:28:18
  that was, I thought that was how everybody was.
• 1:28:20
  I thought that was normal. And then all of a sudden I'm
• 1:28:23
  like it's not only it's you know, so you have to constantly
• 1:28:26
  they call them automatic negative thoughts, ants and you
• 1:28:29
  just have to learn how to challenge your own brain.
• 1:28:32
  And go is this is this as bad as you're making it out to be?
• 1:28:37
  Probably not need some bug spray froz ants.
• 1:28:40
  But remember we talked about how Andrea Yates was.
• 1:28:43
  Suffering from depression and things when she was a teenager.
• 1:28:46
  Yeah. Or in middle school.
• 1:28:48
  So, it's very likely that some of these Pathways and things
• 1:28:52
  that she struggled, you know, this was happening during her
• 1:28:54
  formative years to and the thing is, your brain also doesn't stop
• 1:28:58
  developing until you hit your leg mid-20s.
• 1:29:01
  So that's also when she first met Rusty and she got
• 1:29:05
  indoctrinated into that weird religion.
• 1:29:09
  So, all these things are going on in her brain and she was
• 1:29:12
  constantly led to believe that. I mean, it was honestly it
• 1:29:15
  sounds very cold like you and I talked about cults every so
• 1:29:19
  often, it sounds very cult-like. So I really doubt that she will
• 1:29:21
  probably ever be released but at least she will have some
• 1:29:24
  semblance of A okay life. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:27
  And that's, you know, that's the best you can do is for her as
• 1:29:31
  for Rusty. Hmm, he got divorced.
• 1:29:33
  They, he filed for divorce in 2004 before her trial was
• 1:29:37
  overturned, he no longer works for NASA.
• 1:29:40
  He remarried in 2006 but has since gotten divorced, they have
• 1:29:44
  a little boy who is 12 years old?
• 1:29:46
  Hmm. Apparently he calls Andrea once
• 1:29:49
  a month and he visits her once a year and they talk about the
• 1:29:54
  good times, okay? Good times.
• 1:29:58
  According to them. Okay.
• 1:30:00
  And that's kind of how that goes for the two of them.
• 1:30:03
  Okay, this is lovely. Yep.
• 1:30:06
  It's an interesting, like I said, like this was a weird
• 1:30:09
  thing to discuss because we still don't probably give enough
• 1:30:13
  respect or acknowledgement to women who have postpartum that
• 1:30:21
  people really don't understand that it especially, probably for
• 1:30:25
  somebody who's never experienced any of those.
• 1:30:28
  And if thoughts or suicidal ideation or things of that
• 1:30:30
  nature, it's probably very scary for somebody who has had never
• 1:30:36
  had any mental health issues and now all of a sudden, why do I
• 1:30:40
  want to kill myself and my baby? Yeah, you know.
• 1:30:43
  Yeah. But if we did better with that
• 1:30:46
  we would probably save a lot of children's lives and also women
• 1:30:49
  to because it is, it's totally a completely treatable issue.
• 1:30:55
  You just have to one being a place where you can tell people
• 1:30:59
  about it and not feel guilty to be able to get the medical care
• 1:31:04
  that you need and move. You know, and then could get
• 1:31:09
  that Continuous Care. It's not, this is not a
• 1:31:12
  one-and-done thing. Nothing mental health-related is
• 1:31:15
  one and no, no, no. I'm sure anybody listening has
• 1:31:20
  any sort of diagnosis knows that it's nonstop.
• 1:31:25
  Yeah, I definitely will Freaky refer to it as recovery, I'm
• 1:31:31
  fine. Most of the time.
• 1:31:33
  Every once in a while say I'm not and you just gotta work
• 1:31:38
  through those days. Save but yeah like I said I
• 1:31:42
  started out being like there is absolutely no justification for
• 1:31:46
  why a woman would kill her children and as I was going
• 1:31:48
  through these two different books and all these noodles news
• 1:31:51
  articles like well yeah when I got to the trial I was like I
• 1:31:55
  don't know which side I want to be.
• 1:31:57
  All right now, right is because on one hand you totally are like
• 1:32:00
  oh these poor babies. And on the other hand And you're
• 1:32:03
  just like, poor Andrea. Yeah.
• 1:32:07
  Let's did she ever have a chance?
• 1:32:09
  Yeah, that's poor babies before. So, if you are a Christian in
• 1:32:14
  one of these weird fundamentalist organizations,
• 1:32:17
  get out Brad, like being forced to do that whole Barefoot
• 1:32:21
  pregnant thing sounds like, oh, just a raw deal.
• 1:32:24
  What the hell is that? That's where you just hang out.
• 1:32:26
  You know, you're barefoot and pregnant.
• 1:32:28
  You cook in the kitchen and you make babies, that's what they
• 1:32:30
  want. The women to do is some of those
• 1:32:32
  work. So just like a Housewife, pretty
• 1:32:34
  much. Yeah.
• 1:32:34
  Pretty much. But a housewife with absolutely
• 1:32:36
  no power, like, it's really interesting because like, I hear
• 1:32:39
  like the old, like black ladies talk about, like, you know,
• 1:32:41
  listen, I might have been at home, but I was in charge of the
• 1:32:43
  house, right? Of course, in their churches,
• 1:32:45
  you're at home and you're not in charge.
• 1:32:48
  Oh, basically a slave. Yeah, pretty much popping out
• 1:32:52
  babies like, you know, my grandma would have been like,
• 1:32:54
  listen, he comes home and he gives the check to me and then I
• 1:32:57
  make sure all the bills are paid and I give him some of his money
• 1:33:01
  back so he can do what he wants. Was this all goes.
• 1:33:04
  So yeah. That's I mean that's how it is
• 1:33:06
  sometimes with these you know because Who would know what the
• 1:33:08
  house needs better than the person who's there all the time.
• 1:33:11
  Absolutely. But regardless, oh my God, it
• 1:33:14
  was a, it was a pretty intense. That was, yeah, that was a
• 1:33:18
  roller coaster. It.
• 1:33:20
  There you go. That's what we're going to say.
• 1:33:22
  It was a fucking roller coaster ride.
• 1:33:38
  Oh my God. What do you have for me today?
• 1:33:41
  All right, so I know a lot of people may know that me and
• 1:33:49
  Brittany Live in Pennsylvania. We do.
• 1:33:55
  Yeah and a lot of my friends listen to the podcast and it
• 1:33:59
  mean when they can and know a lot of you know your people who
• 1:34:02
  listen to the podcast too. So oh yes my friends from
• 1:34:05
  Lancaster listen to us. Yeah there you go some of your
• 1:34:08
  co-workers right? Oh yeah and some people I work
• 1:34:10
  with to worry about that. My-my boss will randomly be like
• 1:34:16
  and then you were talking about and I'm like you're right you're
• 1:34:19
  right that's what we say. But we do often mention that we
• 1:34:26
  are from central Pennsylvania. I know we like you mentioned it
• 1:34:29
  like another, that's good or not, you never know.
• 1:34:32
  And people don't know where central Pennsylvania is there.
• 1:34:34
  Like, what the hell central Pennsylvania?
• 1:34:35
  Like you not at all Adelphia friggin truth.
• 1:34:40
  This is true. Well today, I'll be bringing you
• 1:34:43
  some urban legends and / hauntings from our little neck
• 1:34:48
  of the woods. Oh that's lovely.
• 1:34:49
  And that may be new to some and who chew others.
• 1:34:54
  I mean I'm pretty sure everybody from around the area they know
• 1:34:57
  all of the legends from the area.
• 1:35:04
  Oh most of the info was brought to me by a very good friend of
• 1:35:07
  mine named is Christine and this lady.
• 1:35:15
  She she basically like helped me when I first started skating.
• 1:35:19
  Oh cool. So my roller derby career.
• 1:35:22
  Yeah. And she's always down the skate
• 1:35:25
  whenever if she's free that's important.
• 1:35:31
  But yeah, yeah, like I asked her, you know, what are some
• 1:35:36
  local Tales from your - would I could talk.
• 1:35:39
  About and like she gave me like this whole as she blew up my
• 1:35:43
  messenger about this only pixel. Like I think one from her whole
• 1:35:48
  list because other ones I like I can talk about this but it'd
• 1:35:51
  probably be like too long. Well, okay, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:35:56
  But whatever, I'm pretty sure she's listening so.
• 1:36:00
  Hi Christine, thanks for the info.
• 1:36:02
  Hi. Christine All right.
• 1:36:05
  Now we're giving out our actual location.
• 1:36:08
  We don't need stalkers at all. Amen.
• 1:36:11
  I'll be talking about different stories from different cities
• 1:36:14
  and Central PA, or I think one's actually not in Central PA is
• 1:36:18
  the one, the last one I'm going to be telling you, but two are
• 1:36:22
  from central Pennsylvania. Oh, interesting.
• 1:36:25
  I don't know. Like okay, you don't know a lot
• 1:36:28
  from Central think. I know some about some of the
• 1:36:30
  the far reaches of our state, you know, up near Eerie, you
• 1:36:34
  don't know anything from From our, I don't think so huh.
• 1:36:37
  Okay. And I also won't be talking
• 1:36:40
  about Gettysburg because one that's Gettysburg has too many
• 1:36:45
  fucking ghost stories choose from and to everybody knows
• 1:36:49
  Gettysburg. Yeah, his Holiness fuck.
• 1:36:51
  So. All right.
• 1:36:56
  Okay, so wait, have you heard of seven?
• 1:37:00
  Gates of? Hell yes.
• 1:37:02
  Okay great. I was going to tell you that one
• 1:37:06
  first, but, It's a, I mean you can still tell the people I was
• 1:37:10
  gonna tell tell I was just going to go over it because it's not
• 1:37:14
  like something as not like something I wrote down those
• 1:37:17
  ones where I feel like every okay, I hate to say it this way.
• 1:37:21
  But like every middle of like nowhere, place kind of has won
• 1:37:27
  the user have something like this or like the portal to
• 1:37:30
  portal to hell, or some shit. Like yeah.
• 1:37:33
  Like I think New Jersey has some type of shit like that.
• 1:37:35
  Yeah, everyone always has like a place.
• 1:37:38
  I swear, if you go through it, things will happen, well, always
• 1:37:44
  wanted to go. There's no such place.
• 1:37:49
  I mean there is but there's not I can get to it later but not
• 1:37:53
  really wanna get into it right now.
• 1:37:55
  I wanted to be real, it's sort of real but its not real.
• 1:37:59
  It's not I don't know how else to explain it.
• 1:38:03
  Anyway, let's start off with one story.
• 1:38:05
  That oh, by the way, this story like you said everywhere has a
• 1:38:09
  place like this. Basically, everywhere everywhere
• 1:38:13
  has a place like this one too. And this is place a place that
• 1:38:18
  many people had tested out and there seems to be an answer for
• 1:38:21
  it, so yeah. Stop.
• 1:38:27
  Stop it. Christian is also tested this
• 1:38:29
  out. I think I know what this is.
• 1:38:31
  Oh my God. Continue.
• 1:38:33
  Okay, Louis Barre. Pennsylvania.
• 1:38:36
  Now this one is, I think it's off of Route. 83 there's a hill
• 1:38:44
  and if you just so happen to a, put your car in neutral at the
• 1:38:48
  bottom of this hill, it will seem to roll backwards up the
• 1:38:53
  hill as this the The one with the handprint.
• 1:38:57
  Yeah, on your car? Okay, sure is.
• 1:38:59
  So I have heard about these. I just didn't realize they were
• 1:39:02
  in Pennsylvania. I heard about this like in like
• 1:39:05
  Virginia. Well, this is called Gravity
• 1:39:07
  Hill and like, like you said, Virginia.
• 1:39:11
  This isn't the only one in Pennsylvania and like, there are
• 1:39:14
  two other places in Pennsylvania with gravity hills.
• 1:39:17
  Oh, and this isn't the only place in America that has a
• 1:39:21
  Gravity Hill. Oh, okay.
• 1:39:23
  Then like, Over the place. That would explain that then no.
• 1:39:31
  But this one is close to home. So, I know totally.
• 1:39:34
  So this is the one that your friend is actually.
• 1:39:37
  Yeah, absolutely experienced. Now, there is, of course, a
• 1:39:42
  legend behind this from what I could piece together.
• 1:39:46
  There was a school bus that whose brakes just gave out and
• 1:39:52
  bus, just rolled into the intersection down this road and
• 1:39:56
  of course, I got into an accident and the children on
• 1:39:59
  board. All died.
• 1:40:01
  Poor babies. Poor baby for babies.
• 1:40:04
  Yes. Now, if you happen to try it,
• 1:40:07
  it's said that the reason why the car moves backwards is
• 1:40:11
  because the children from the accident are said to be the
• 1:40:15
  ones. Pushing your car back from the
• 1:40:17
  intersection to save you from their fate.
• 1:40:20
  Yep. Remember hearing about this one
• 1:40:23
  is a kid. Yeah.
• 1:40:25
  Now, our gravity hills and I'm pretty sure any other Gravity
• 1:40:30
  Hill is actually just an optical illusion.
• 1:40:33
  Oh yeah, it makes you. It makes it seem like you're
• 1:40:38
  rolling backwards uphill when you're inside the car.
• 1:40:41
  That's it. Yeah.
• 1:40:43
  Huh I don't like I talk to Christine, she said she didn't
• 1:40:49
  test out the handprint thing because her car was white.
• 1:40:55
  So she didn't see any hand prints on the car.
• 1:40:58
  I mean, she could put a little, you know, brown dirt on it.
• 1:41:00
  Rub it around a little bit. Yeah get your Carter.
• 1:41:02
  Yeah, listen for science. Christine for Sian my God.
• 1:41:08
  So apparently, the one in the lose, Barry is the best one to
• 1:41:13
  visit in Pennsylvania. Hmm.
• 1:41:16
  Because you can't like what I read for.
• 1:41:19
  His one article is that the other two gravity hills you can
• 1:41:23
  see the optical illusion like you can see how it how it does
• 1:41:28
  it when you're outside of the car.
• 1:41:29
  I'm actually really interested in seeing the Illusion part of
• 1:41:32
  this. Yeah I do.
• 1:41:33
  I got a like it's the thing that we don't we might have to do but
• 1:41:36
  I don't want to do it. It and I'll tell you why it's do
• 1:41:39
  during the daytime. I'll tell you why.
• 1:41:43
  So, It's also advised to use as much caution as you can sense
• 1:41:51
  this gravity. He'll lose Barry is on a busy
• 1:41:54
  road. Well actually never mind that
• 1:41:58
  we're not going to like, put ourselves in actual danger.
• 1:42:00
  No, no. I actually like the two roads
• 1:42:02
  that at the intersection is on our two busy roads.
• 1:42:06
  So, it's advised to do this, which makes sense because the
• 1:42:10
  legend is about like a car accident.
• 1:42:12
  So, like, don't cause a car accident, you know, you're
• 1:42:15
  trying to do. This thing, like if you visit
• 1:42:18
  PA, you can go to lose. Barry PA just be and you look
• 1:42:21
  for this Gravity Hill. Please be cautious because you
• 1:42:27
  don't want to cause another accident and we don't want to be
• 1:42:29
  title. Telling ghost stories about your
• 1:42:30
  ass. Oh, also, I want I want to
• 1:42:37
  mention that this story in the next one will be telling they
• 1:42:41
  are not advertised at all, by the towns.
• 1:42:45
  Like they like nobody advertisers, that know these are
• 1:42:49
  things. You like, I'm pretty sure I
• 1:42:51
  heard about these or read about these randomly.
• 1:42:53
  When I was like a teenager reading like spooky forums and
• 1:42:57
  stuff and people talking about doing things haunted houses in
• 1:43:02
  Pennsylvania. You know, haunted Has stuff like
• 1:43:05
  that. Yeah, because nobody ever wants
• 1:43:07
  like nobody who lives there. Once randoms coming.
• 1:43:10
  No, no, they don't. No not at all.
• 1:43:13
  Please don't ya. Oh goodness.
• 1:43:16
  Okay, so next door that was Story.
• 1:43:19
  One number two, I'm pretty sure you're going to notice one as
• 1:43:23
  soon as I start talking about it.
• 1:43:24
  Okay, so if you play horror video games, like me and
• 1:43:29
  Brittany do. Yes, once again, I am bringing
• 1:43:33
  up games. Because the center, this is just
• 1:43:37
  what we do, this is what you, this is what I do like video
• 1:43:39
  games and if they, you know, connect with stuff I want to
• 1:43:41
  talk about, I won't talk about it.
• 1:43:44
  So if you know anything about video games, horror video games,
• 1:43:47
  you might know this one as well, and Columbia County.
• 1:43:52
  There's a near ghost town with a population of nine.
• 1:43:57
  As of 2019, it just sort. It was 12:00.
• 1:44:02
  Yes, as a population. You gave me a look like you
• 1:44:05
  already knew what I was talking. Everybody knows about this.
• 1:44:08
  Of course it's name is Centralia, Centralia,
• 1:44:12
  Pennsylvania and it is what they base, Silent Hill.
• 1:44:17
  Well, the movie, the movie and the game, actually, the first, I
• 1:44:21
  don't remember, I didn't know that the game was based on.
• 1:44:23
  This is the, the first game was based off of it too.
• 1:44:27
  I know the movie was definitely based off of it is not a movie.
• 1:44:29
  Definitely, they totally pulled everything.
• 1:44:31
  Oh, yeah, absolutely. now, if you don't know what Silent Hill
• 1:44:36
  is, Google it. I'm not telling you about it.
• 1:44:40
  No no this is worth. This is worth talking about
• 1:44:44
  Silent Hill was one of the I would say one of the forerunners
• 1:44:48
  of survival Horror. Oh yeah.
• 1:44:51
  I mean you walked through this. You were a man on a quest for
• 1:44:55
  your daughter. Yeah.
• 1:44:57
  In this town that you'd never heard of before called Silent
• 1:45:00
  Hill and one of the interesting things about the game itself was
• 1:45:04
  that the game engine that the time could not, Render the
• 1:45:08
  entire game at the same time, not like now where it loads a
• 1:45:13
  whole level in 30 seconds, it would load as you were walking.
• 1:45:16
  So what they did to allow the game to slowly render and you
• 1:45:21
  not to be aware of, it was the entire town is covered in fog.
• 1:45:26
  Yes. And as you walk through the fog,
• 1:45:28
  it just gave a great Ambiance and experience and just straight
• 1:45:33
  chills of you not knowing and then your guy had a little
• 1:45:36
  radio. And the radio would begin to
• 1:45:39
  like get staticky when it was somewhere near a monster.
• 1:45:43
  But of course, you couldn't tell where it was coming from because
• 1:45:45
  you are walking through the fog. It was very sick.
• 1:45:47
  It's wonderful. The story itself is a little
• 1:45:49
  weird, but yeah, as they progressed as the movies and
• 1:45:53
  games per guest to get some more, we're not talking about
• 1:45:55
  the game and the movies, every, it's is worth it for the first
• 1:45:58
  one alone. Absolutely the first, and second
• 1:46:00
  one, actually, I like those bills.
• 1:46:01
  Yeah. But yet, now, you ask, why is
• 1:46:06
  this basement on the hill? Is it?
• 1:46:07
  Because there's a pyramid headed dude.
• 1:46:09
  Stalking around with a huge sword.
• 1:46:11
  Nope. No.
• 1:46:12
  It's because of the coal fire burning beneath the town.
• 1:46:16
  Yep. Back in 1966, a fire started and
• 1:46:21
  one of the coal mining towns. Well I guess one of the and not
• 1:46:27
  going to say one of the cool money.
• 1:46:28
  Yeah there you go. Officials had tried to light a
• 1:46:32
  fire there too. I guess control something and it
• 1:46:36
  got out of control. Troll and it hit a coal vein and
• 1:46:40
  which led down to the mine in. Control burns aren't entirely
• 1:46:45
  all that like new. It's, it's something that places
• 1:46:48
  that have a lot of wildfires and things do consistently but I
• 1:46:51
  guess they just didn't do a good job.
• 1:46:53
  No because it destroyed the entire town.
• 1:46:56
  I sure as fuck did. So as I went down to the mine
• 1:47:00
  deep in the mind it slowly began to spread I can't remember.
• 1:47:06
  I'm sure you probably wrote this.
• 1:47:07
  This down how long they think this is going to be burning for
• 1:47:10
  because it's already been, like 70, 80 years, isn't it?
• 1:47:13
  It's been 50 years. It's been 50 years.
• 1:47:15
  Okay. How long are they think it's
• 1:47:16
  going to continue burning on? They said it can burn for like
• 1:47:18
  another Century. Holy crap, if it's not contain,
• 1:47:20
  so we'll be long gone before this is Dunya.
• 1:47:25
  But the cool thing is that people do in Pennsylvania.
• 1:47:27
  At least that I've seen people do is during winter.
• 1:47:30
  They go out there. It's like a six hour drive for
• 1:47:32
  us. It's real far away, is it?
• 1:47:35
  I heard it was way, way way. Way out and the road to get
• 1:47:39
  there. Now has been destroyed.
• 1:47:41
  Britney, you know, how to get there?
• 1:47:43
  Brittany, mr. Ransome, yes, you're really with
• 1:47:46
  deep story. Oh, I'm sorry.
• 1:47:51
  I thought it was really far away though.
• 1:47:53
  No, it's in Colombia now I got it to a GPS.
• 1:47:57
  We're gonna tear your story ygp. Oh my god.
• 1:48:02
  Oh so since the fire burns so deeply there's no real way to
• 1:48:07
  control it or contain it soon on the ground fire.
• 1:48:12
  Reach the actual Town causing the roads to split and crack and
• 1:48:18
  toxic smoke would start spreading start.
• 1:48:20
  Being out of the cracks air quality, started getting
• 1:48:24
  dangerous and it took about 20 years before the government gave
• 1:48:29
  the order to evacuate town. Now, there are very few
• 1:48:34
  buildings left in the town, including a church, which is,
• 1:48:41
  I'm pretty sure they based the movie, Silent Hill awful.
• 1:48:43
  Because there's a church in there and that was the only safe
• 1:48:45
  place for them to be in. Yeah, you're right and the
• 1:48:49
  church there is one thing. I've been back in this area for
• 1:48:53
  so long. Not knowing that Centralia is
• 1:48:56
  like an hour and change away. I told you, it's me.
• 1:48:58
  Could have gone there any time now?
• 1:49:01
  We gotta wait till next winter. Not really.
• 1:49:05
  No. So a part of the central area is
• 1:49:10
  the graffiti Highway. Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:12
  Yeah, I heard about that. Yeah, it was once Route 61 now
• 1:49:18
  in abandoned highway where everyone has been except for me.
• 1:49:21
  Apparently, we gotta go. Yeah.
• 1:49:23
  And Brittany, I guess, we take my friend Jenna.
• 1:49:26
  Yeah, in general joke. Oh, you know what we can't?
• 1:49:32
  You could see, like, if you look at pictures, I was in pictures.
• 1:49:35
  Okay, as you can see like the splitting of the highway where
• 1:49:37
  we were, the fire has reached in just a cracks and sometimes
• 1:49:42
  actually smoke Rises up from it. That's the part I want to see
• 1:49:48
  well as of last year we're not gonna be able to see it.
• 1:49:53
  The highway was planned to be covered with dirt and have other
• 1:49:57
  things that have a trees and other plants planted on it,
• 1:50:00
  right. I heard that it was going to
• 1:50:02
  just become a big like place but Then what is a road?
• 1:50:07
  But a place that people just go, like if we just go there with
• 1:50:11
  you guys. Yeah, we just gone drive through
• 1:50:13
  the grass, but it's not a highway anymore.
• 1:50:16
  It was just my way anymore. It's just a big old thing.
• 1:50:19
  Also did that get like, you know, pushed to the side because
• 1:50:22
  the Covenant, I'm not sure, I didn't see, we might still be
• 1:50:26
  able to go before they do it when he was article.
• 1:50:28
  I read about it. I didn't say anything about it.
• 1:50:30
  Being pushed back because in 2020 when they posted it, right?
• 1:50:32
  They didn't say anything about it was an April.
• 1:50:34
  When they actually We had. Actually, it was back in, you
• 1:50:39
  know, what's weird. We have a couple of different
• 1:50:41
  abandoned highways, there's another one.
• 1:50:44
  There's another one that's like right sort of next to a highway.
• 1:50:47
  Yes. Abandon turnpike I think it's a
• 1:50:49
  part of the turnpike that just starts turning off and then goes
• 1:50:53
  nowhere. Yeah.
• 1:50:54
  And it's like why do we do this? Look government.
• 1:51:00
  I've definitely seen one before and I'm like oh they're going to
• 1:51:02
  finish that and the answer is no.
• 1:51:05
  Definitely not. It's abandon and there's just a
• 1:51:08
  nice under past that, you know, people like to hang out and I
• 1:51:13
  won't be there. Exactly.
• 1:51:14
  So you All right, so that way, we know now is officially nobody
• 1:51:19
  there, because a couple years ago, there were like 10 people
• 1:51:21
  still there. Yeah.
• 1:51:22
  That was in 2000, was the 2019 when what I read that the
• 1:51:25
  population was, I'm not sure if anyway, so I would probably
• 1:51:29
  still go to the ghost town. Yeah, that's where I want to go.
• 1:51:32
  I don't want to see the highway but we probably can't get to the
• 1:51:34
  highway, okay, because it's probably covered by dirt by now,
• 1:51:39
  let's see population 9 as a 20-19.
• 1:51:43
  I guess we'll find out soon because the census was just
• 1:51:45
  done. Yes.
• 1:51:46
  It's true. So if nobody is there anymore, I
• 1:51:48
  guess there was no wonderful. Census report out.
• 1:51:51
  Yeah. We'll see.
• 1:51:52
  We'll see. But you know, that's a cool.
• 1:51:55
  I yeah. I forgot about the graffiti
• 1:51:57
  Highway though. That's like the anything know
• 1:52:01
  what I've always wanted to do is that people go and they take
• 1:52:03
  pictures there and wintertime. Yeah.
• 1:52:05
  Because the steam coming out of the ground is extra visible.
• 1:52:08
  When it's so cold. This is true.
• 1:52:10
  And you take cool pictures. I just remember being in high
• 1:52:13
  school and I was, and I found out and I Was telling people
• 1:52:16
  about Silent. Hills are like, you notice a
• 1:52:18
  real Silent Hill, right? And I was like what, where it'll
• 1:52:21
  like Pennsylvania in Pennsylvania.
• 1:52:23
  I don't like where you're like, Colombia.
• 1:52:25
  It was like that's like a half an hour away because I live in
• 1:52:27
  Lancaster at this time. Yeah.
• 1:52:28
  I'm like that's a half an hour away.
• 1:52:30
  We can go there. Anytime I noticed that I
• 1:52:32
  realized was so close. Yeah that's what they do.
• 1:52:34
  Call it the real side of Hell to I so surprising I remember after
• 1:52:38
  the movie came out reading something that said that the
• 1:52:40
  film was based off of central. Yeah and then I had to learn
• 1:52:44
  everything about it. But I did forget about the
• 1:52:48
  graffiti Highway used to be the place where everybody would just
• 1:52:50
  show up in chalk, all over everything and graffiti all over
• 1:52:53
  everything. Absolutely.
• 1:52:54
  That was a where our Urban explorers were go.
• 1:52:59
  Yeah, I'm not really into urban exploring.
• 1:53:02
  I'm here honest, there's a think they're called, like, the proper
• 1:53:06
  people or something on YouTube, the something people, and they
• 1:53:09
  go into places all around the world that have been abandoned
• 1:53:11
  and they get approval to go for the most part occasionally, they
• 1:53:14
  just do what they want. But most of the time, they get
• 1:53:17
  approval to go to these locations and it's just so
• 1:53:20
  unnerving seeing something that was once.
• 1:53:24
  Flourishing recently, they went to a movie theater, that was
• 1:53:28
  only like 40 years old. I had been abandoned I can't and
• 1:53:32
  it just looked so freaky. Do you know how many freakin
• 1:53:37
  abandoned, amusement parks are in Pennsylvania, so many,
• 1:53:40
  they've gone to some of those too many.
• 1:53:43
  There's so many ways and Knoebels is still going.
• 1:53:45
  Strong Scruples is going strong, it's never gonna close go.
• 1:53:49
  Heck noble people go there, man, I go there more.
• 1:53:52
  They go to Hershey Park. I actually really like the
• 1:53:54
  place. It's just so freaking far away.
• 1:53:56
  It really isn't like, well it's a stupid long, dirt, an hour and
• 1:53:59
  a half from here or something. Not even.
• 1:54:01
  I felt like when I was a kid, it took forever to get there.
• 1:54:03
  I'm sure in my little child brain, that was like a six hour.
• 1:54:05
  Drive. I just wanna go to Knoebels
• 1:54:10
  again and sit inside that stupid little cart for the haunted
• 1:54:14
  house because I was so afraid when I was little, look, we went
• 1:54:18
  there. What time?
• 1:54:19
  What year did we go there? And it goes before.
• 1:54:21
  Jaden was born. Was the last time I went to
• 1:54:23
  Knoebels and when you are babe I was a young and what he was
• 1:54:31
  here. Early twenties.
• 1:54:32
  Okay. Yeah, true.
• 1:54:33
  True true. Listen.
• 1:54:34
  I think I'll go. I saw a picture of myself when I
• 1:54:36
  was 23 and I was like, oh look at my face.
• 1:54:38
  I was such a baby. So you when we later, all right,
• 1:54:43
  yeah, we went to with there for, like the first time for me, and
• 1:54:46
  I went through the haunted house, I was like this is some
• 1:54:47
  bullshit. I remember being terrified of it
• 1:54:51
  as a kid. I kept my eye screws almost the
• 1:54:53
  whole time and I want to go through and look at it as a
• 1:54:55
  grownup. Yeah.
• 1:54:56
  I don't really do haunted houses either because it's so I don't,
• 1:55:00
  I just don't like people yelling at me.
• 1:55:02
  He's like, I don't like people jumping out at me because I have
• 1:55:04
  reflexes yelling at me for A money and I have reflexes and my
• 1:55:08
  reflexes might tell me the punch you.
• 1:55:11
  I don't know. So I don't do those things
• 1:55:13
  because I don't want to attack somebody trying to draw, just
• 1:55:16
  slide your around exactly fine. But walking through a haunted
• 1:55:19
  house or like that, Phil the screens and stuff like that.
• 1:55:22
  No, thank you. I'm going to those because I
• 1:55:25
  might go to jail for punching a worker and I'm sorry.
• 1:55:30
  Anyway, who's gonna do my final story today?
• 1:55:34
  I'm ready. All right and what's
• 1:55:38
  Pennsylvania? There is or was is Pittsburgh
• 1:55:44
  area. Okay.
• 1:55:45
  Um Western Pennsylvania there is or was an urban legend of the
• 1:55:52
  Green Man. Also known as Charlie no, face.
• 1:55:57
  I don't know this person. Yeah, I know.
• 1:56:00
  It's good, it's good. Yeah, I try to find ones that I
• 1:56:05
  can't spoil, you know, I'm trying, yeah, I'm sorry, like
• 1:56:10
  all my stories, like Brittany's, like, oh, wait a second, I do
• 1:56:13
  this one. Very exciting for me when I know
• 1:56:15
  things. Okay, so Legend, has it that?
• 1:56:20
  There's a man that grows that glows green due to a lightning
• 1:56:28
  strike, or he was shocked by in an industrial accident.
• 1:56:34
  Who knows? But we know actually, I know,
• 1:56:39
  I'll tell you what. Okay, apparently he would haunt
• 1:56:43
  multiple places but like, multiple spots were kids used to
• 1:56:48
  hang out or people, you hang out at, like Parks, her lookout
• 1:56:51
  spots like that. But that make out spa and he
• 1:56:58
  would Chase off, you know, parked cars and, you know,
• 1:57:01
  people just loitering around the place. now, some people call
• 1:57:05
  this a legend, but This was an actual person is, this was an
• 1:57:13
  actual person walking around. Was he just pretending to be a
• 1:57:16
  haunted? No, no, no.
• 1:57:19
  Why was he great? Um, so his name was Raymond
• 1:57:25
  Robinson. Okay, look him up.
• 1:57:28
  Did Raymond, just not enjoy fun. Is that the situation?
• 1:57:31
  No, that's not why. In 1919 when he was 8 years old,
• 1:57:36
  Raymond was reaching for bird's nest on On top of an electrical
• 1:57:40
  pole when he was shocked with 11,000 volts of electricity,
• 1:57:45
  which sent him falling to the ground, the shock burn his face
• 1:57:51
  and arms, leaving his eyes and nose completely burned off or
• 1:57:55
  out. Oh yeah.
• 1:57:59
  So it was actually is actual be wasn't actual person.
• 1:58:02
  Oh, this is sad. So, even though this was a
• 1:58:07
  terrible injury for him, he was still in like, in good spirits.
• 1:58:10
  He didn't let his injuries get him down, there's actually get
• 1:58:14
  him down. Adulthood, he kept himself, he
• 1:58:19
  kept himself home making wallets belts you know during mads for
• 1:58:22
  people just so he can make some type of small income.
• 1:58:24
  What? He was a crafter.
• 1:58:27
  Look, I love crafty people, he really only left his house in a
• 1:58:33
  dead of night. To go for a walk as not to scare
• 1:58:37
  people, not to scare anyone. These are really, really
• 1:58:42
  thoughtful. Dude.
• 1:58:43
  You really like against just walk in all this Sudden somebody
• 1:58:47
  screams and runs away. Yeah, base terrible.
• 1:58:52
  So this is when the story is with start beginning.
• 1:58:55
  When he's doing his walks, high school, kids would see him
• 1:59:01
  walking from the Cars along Route 351 and they just gonna go
• 1:59:06
  spread the word. Is this guy, he's apparently he
• 1:59:09
  was green because probably because of his like, flannel
• 1:59:13
  day, he was wearing. Yeah, I just saw a picture, he's
• 1:59:15
  wearing like a An army jacket. Yeah, there you go.
• 1:59:20
  See ya now. Your right.
• 1:59:21
  Is that, I guess it's a. What is that fabric?
• 1:59:24
  Yeah, like Dickies that like fabric.
• 1:59:27
  What is this like, you know like those pants?
• 1:59:30
  Yeah, khaki. Yeah, Green khaki there.
• 1:59:32
  Yeah, I couldn't figure out what it was called.
• 1:59:35
  Army fatigues or something. There you go.
• 1:59:36
  Yeah, he's wearing like, one of those jackets.
• 1:59:38
  Sure. So many people knew Raymond,
• 1:59:41
  many people who knew Raymond were very friendly to him, even
• 1:59:46
  offering him beer for his walks. Or cigarettes, like a good time.
• 1:59:51
  Like everybody who knew this guy.
• 1:59:53
  Super cool people. People who didn't know Raymond,
• 1:59:58
  they were scared of him. Of course you don't see him for
• 2:00:01
  the first time and they'd run off and try to call the cops
• 2:00:03
  saying. There's some buddy out there and
• 2:00:09
  you need to come get him. But you know, his neighbors or
• 2:00:12
  people in the neighborhood, they would explain to these people.
• 2:00:15
  Hey, don't call the cops. It's just Raymond.
• 2:00:17
  This is what happened to him on use Only child and you know
• 2:00:19
  this. Why he looks like this now, no
• 2:00:21
  reason to be no reason to be afraid of him.
• 2:00:23
  He's a cool guy. All that good stuff.
• 2:00:26
  Um, I guess now if you see him, he's a fucking ghost.
• 2:00:31
  Yeah, so some other people, unfortunately, we're cruel, they
• 2:00:39
  would give him rides. They pick them up off the side
• 2:00:42
  of the road when he's walking like, hey, I'll give you a ride
• 2:00:44
  home. Only to take him somewhere, he
• 2:00:46
  had no idea where he was going because he was blind.
• 2:00:51
  Yes. Yeah.
• 2:00:52
  This is a very wow, kind of picture.
• 2:00:57
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:00:59
  How do you elect people are amazing?
• 2:01:02
  Their bodies? You mean yeah.
• 2:01:04
  He legitimately like I see why they people referred to him as
• 2:01:07
  no face like he really doesn't. He's a mouth obviously because
• 2:01:10
  no eyes. Yeah like his skin healed over
• 2:01:12
  that. So I'm like he's just Vibing
• 2:01:16
  with the world. Yeah.
• 2:01:18
  Yeah. Basically, anybody who knew him
• 2:01:22
  would, you know, tell you how nice he was, and how awesome he
• 2:01:25
  was. He did pass away from natural
• 2:01:28
  causes and 1985 but the legend lives on wasn't even born yet.
• 2:01:33
  No, neither of us were born. Yeah.
• 2:01:37
  But yeah, but yeah, I guess they still talk about him to this
• 2:01:41
  day. There goes my pain, I was
• 2:01:44
  looking for. I was like, what the hell is it?
• 2:01:45
  My hair? Spooky, Pennsylvania.
• 2:01:50
  Those are some stories that I like, I've looked at and I
• 2:01:55
  wanted to do like earlier in the podcast because You know, this
• 2:02:00
  is where we're from. I want to, you know, give you a
• 2:02:02
  little heads-up and that we like spooky stuff in this is what
• 2:02:08
  raised us. Great stories.
• 2:02:09
  They were good. Good good stuff.
• 2:02:10
  Yeah. I definitely want to go Central.
• 2:02:13
  I like this still a thing I want to do but um is it the ghost
• 2:02:17
  him? Ghost Town?
• 2:02:18
  Yes, I'm pretty sure it was a ghost towns around.
• 2:02:20
  Oh yeah we could probably visit a couple more.
• 2:02:22
  Oh yeah. Buts in Charlie's the one that I
• 2:02:24
  believe is an actually haunted, it's not haunted.
• 2:02:27
  I don't want to go to one. That's actually haunted.
• 2:02:29
  Well, good. Because we're going to get lost
• 2:02:30
  there and by the ghost or something.
• 2:02:33
  Don't get eaten by Ghosts. No.
• 2:02:41
  Oh, oh Brian. I know.
• 2:02:44
  Oh me. Anyway though, that's all we got
• 2:02:49
  for you tonight. Yeah.
• 2:02:53
  Or this morning for some of you, there's like a good 30 or 40
• 2:02:56
  people who listened at like, 5 a.m.
• 2:02:58
  As soon as the podcast comes out.
• 2:03:00
  Bless you all. That's very lovely.
• 2:03:02
  Yeah, I mean, if so, why get that time too?
• 2:03:04
  But as because I'm working, I'm pretty sure is why you guys are
• 2:03:07
  listening to get. Probably yeah, we got a couple.
• 2:03:09
  Belen night crew, who are with you.
• 2:03:10
  Yeah. Hey guys, thanks.
• 2:03:12
  Thanks for listening to me and thank you.
• 2:03:16
  If you listen, all the way through for this is last week,
• 2:03:20
  was the second time that we broke into the top, 100, your
• 2:03:24
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• 2:03:27
  It was awesome. And as usual, I still sell all
• 2:03:31
  kinds of jewelry and making Pride things for June.
• 2:03:35
  Yes, I can't wait. I got you some pit.
• 2:03:39
  I got some pens to. I'm going to be making a cool
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  looking. You can wear a pen.
• 2:03:43
  I can wear pants. I got it here.
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  I got my that. You want me.
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  Give you one ear? Yes.
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  Just one ear. I'm good.
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  I think it's over there. Yes, Larry give you the one.
• 2:03:49
  I just says, hi. I'm Pam.
• 2:03:51
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• 2:03:54
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  with our first plate with Lady Democratic demouth risk and
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  How dare you and stuff like that?
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