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Can Stevie Wonder See? · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joining me his co host this week. Ooh,
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Speaker 2: my favorite co host of all no co hosts. But
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Speaker 2: do you have a guest? Tiff Myers? Is here a Tiff?
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Speaker 2: How's it going?
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Speaker 3: It's going well. I honestly enjoy it whenever you do
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Speaker 3: the ooh, no co host, that's like my favorite fucking thing.
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Speaker 3: I can leave now and I'll be happy.
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Speaker 2: A Tiff has been on. You've been on the Conspiracy
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Speaker 2: I know that you've been on here on since. I think,
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Speaker 2: though I don't.
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Speaker 3: Know, maybe maybe I don't know. I think there was
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Speaker 3: one we did where it was like a bunch of
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Speaker 3: conspiracies or it was like or that might have been
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Speaker 3: like a news round up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that might have been a conspiracy news round up.
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Speaker 2: We do that either way. People know a Tiff comedian
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Speaker 2: Minister of Happiness. I've changed the title in twenty.
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Speaker 3: The discord hates me sometimes, what do they hate you
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Speaker 3: for the sauces was really fucking controversial the UK.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, your opinion on the UK. Still One of my
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Speaker 2: favorite podcast moments is you and Ethan Lawrence on the
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Speaker 2: five hundredth episode and Ethan very cordially invites you, if
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Speaker 2: you're ever in the UK, to take you out and
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Speaker 2: show you some of the better things about the UK,
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Speaker 2: and you in turn invited him if he's ever in
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Speaker 2: the US. You said you would take him to Chili's
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Speaker 2: how much fucking better it is and everything he would show. Kay,
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Speaker 2: Like you did not let up on the gas at all.
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Speaker 3: But our conversation was like, very pleasant. It was very pleasant.
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Speaker 2: Though it was great.
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Speaker 3: I think both of you were expecting me to come
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Speaker 3: out guns blazing and just trying to fight, but I
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Speaker 3: was like, no, oh, listen, like I like debating, Oh
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Speaker 3: listen and be civil about it. I'm not like the
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Speaker 3: other person and like the con man. Like that was
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Speaker 3: fucking rough, but like me and Ethantic, we had a
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Speaker 3: great time. The guy's awesome.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ethan rules, he's gonna be on you don't even
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Speaker 2: like this show again very soon, so we're doing my
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Speaker 2: favorite conspiracy episode. That means a tiff is here to
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Speaker 2: talk about a conspiracy that not necessarily your favorite. Maybe
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Speaker 2: it's your favorite, it is my favorite.
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Speaker 3: It is my favorite. It's like, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: That makes sense. This is a fun one. This is
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Speaker 2: a conspiracy that doesn't hurt, it heals.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and it's also, I guess, an honor of Black
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Speaker 3: History Month. I'm going with what I think is like
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Speaker 3: the blackest conspiracy, and that's that Stevie Wonder can see.
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Speaker 3: I honestly think I think there's he can see and
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Speaker 3: it's like a seventy percent of me. He's like, yo,
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Speaker 3: he can fucking see.
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Speaker 2: And so this is a thing I have talked about before.
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Speaker 2: There are some videos out there that are pretty interesting.
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Speaker 3: Damning to say the least, and we say, damn it.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to go very strong with my words on
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Speaker 3: this one.
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Speaker 2: And I think part of the reason we're doing this
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Speaker 2: now is I just watched the documentary about the making
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Speaker 2: of We Are the World Okay, which one is really good.
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Speaker 2: It's very interesting. It was actually way more interesting than
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Speaker 2: I even expected it to be. But also one there's
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Speaker 2: a scene where Ray Charles asks where the bathroom is
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Speaker 2: and Stevie Wonder is the one who, like Pops up
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Speaker 2: and offers to show him the bathroom and then they
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Speaker 2: just walk off together. It's like, literally, Blind.
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Speaker 3: I've been asking you to do this for like months.
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Speaker 3: I think there was one email where it was like,
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Speaker 3: let us know you're available to be on on pop,
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Speaker 3: sorry to break the fourth wall, and I responded with
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Speaker 3: Stevie Wonder exclamation point, like I wanted this for so long.
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Speaker 3: I was gonna just jump right into it, but you
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Speaker 3: talked sorry.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I was just gonna say. Also, there's another moment
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Speaker 2: where Stevie Wonder just makes a joke about him driving
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Speaker 2: everyone home in the Wee Heart World documentary.
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Speaker 3: And that's a part of why I think he's faking
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Speaker 3: a little bit, because he's way too cool about it.
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Speaker 3: Does that make sense? So I there's another fourth wall
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Speaker 3: break if you if you don't like this, listeners, I
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Speaker 3: compile the notes, so blame me. But there is a
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Speaker 3: section called a tiff speculation, and one of them because
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Speaker 3: he's way too cool about being the butt of blind
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Speaker 3: jokes to be blind? Does that make sense?
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Speaker 2: Maybe he's just used to it by now, he's got
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Speaker 2: he's got thick skin, dude.
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Speaker 3: But like there was a commercial about him going up
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Speaker 3: to Tracy Tracy Morgan and elbowing him and big what up, Tracy?
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Speaker 3: And then Tracy's like, how do you do that? And
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Speaker 3: it's like, dude, like you're already super talented. The blindness
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Speaker 3: isn't a hindrance at all. It's weird that you joke
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Speaker 3: about it so often unless you're meta joking and knowing
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Speaker 3: that you're not actually blind, but you got us thinking
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Speaker 3: you're blind, so therefore you're laughing at us, laughing at
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Speaker 3: your presumptive blindness.
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Speaker 2: That's deep. You're really thinking about this.
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Speaker 3: If there was like a shampoo commercial and they're like,
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Speaker 3: a tiff, we need you to be in it as
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Speaker 3: a bald guy, I'd fucking be furious. I'd like, don't
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Speaker 3: what the fuck because a bald don't mean your shampoo
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Speaker 3: commercial is bullshit? But no. But if I had hair
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Speaker 3: underneath the scalp and I'm like, ah, I'm not actually bald,
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Speaker 3: I do it all day.
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Speaker 2: You do make a good point in that I can't
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Speaker 2: think of a whole lot of other people with disabilities
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Speaker 2: at all who do commercials where that is like the joke, like,
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Speaker 2: cause there's there's entertainers who have, you know, various disabilities
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Speaker 2: Marley Mattlin, for example, I haven't I don't think I've
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Speaker 2: ever seen her in a commercial where it's like, isn't
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Speaker 2: it funny? You can't hear idiot, It's.
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Speaker 3: Like fucking Stephen Hawkin. Was it in a commercial for
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Speaker 3: like steps like a problem? I can't hear out, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: fucking dirt bag. No, he would never do that. But
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Speaker 3: Stevie wunder is he's in like sketches where he's taking
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Speaker 3: pictures like he's way too cool. Ray Charles didn't even
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Speaker 3: do that. Like Ray Charles like pepsi commercials, just being
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Speaker 3: himself as like the classiest beacon of drinking pepsi.
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Speaker 2: So why do you say this is the blackest conspiracy?
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Speaker 3: It's the blackest conspiracy because mainly only like the black
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Speaker 3: community has been calling it out and believes it. And
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Speaker 3: also unlike other black conspiracies, like this one might not
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Speaker 3: be true. Like I think a lot of black conspiracies
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Speaker 3: are actually right where they're like the government's putting crack
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Speaker 3: in the community and the government got Malcolm X killed,
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Speaker 3: like those are like that's just news at this point.
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Speaker 3: But like Stevie Wonder, Stevie Wonder is still like the
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Speaker 3: Cevie Wonder can see is still prevalent amongst and no
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Speaker 3: one seems to address it.
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Speaker 2: I didn't realize how widespread this theory was. There's websites
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Speaker 2: about it. Well in a minute, talk about all the
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Speaker 2: different celebrity stories about Stevie Wonder. I just remember seeing
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Speaker 2: the microphone stand thing, and I was like, what the
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Speaker 2: hell is that.
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Speaker 3: One of the videos I saw in research, some guy
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Speaker 3: was like, you never seen him with a walking stick,
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Speaker 3: like a blind stick. That's a good ass point. You've
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Speaker 3: never seen it with the stick.
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Speaker 2: That is true, Yeah, but you do always see him
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Speaker 2: with someone, with someone, like there's always someone near by.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know, like some of the arguments people make,
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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily buy, like the clothes like he's rich,
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Speaker 2: he's got a stylist, Like he wouldn't be picking out
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Speaker 2: clothes if he could see.
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Speaker 3: That's true. And it's also like no one's really gonna
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Speaker 3: let him go out and rags like I don't even
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Speaker 3: think he would even own that, you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Even then, there's a video I watched. It was
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Speaker 2: a TMC video and it said it was Stevie Wonder
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Speaker 2: addressing people who claim he can see. But he actually
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Speaker 2: doesn't in the video, but he was landing at Lax
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Speaker 2: and he just had like a black T shirt and
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Speaker 2: black pants and a fucking do rag on, So you know,
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Speaker 2: he doesn't always dress like he's in the I just
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Speaker 2: called to say I love you video.
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Speaker 3: But his facial hair has been bad for for like decades.
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Speaker 3: He's had the worst mustache around the mouth. Half go
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Speaker 3: see half. I don't know what it was bad. It's
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Speaker 3: been bad for a while, but I think that that
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Speaker 3: might be a part of the act though He's like, look,
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Speaker 3: let me try to cut my own facial hair.
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Speaker 2: Well, his hairline is getting severe too. Oh yes, it's
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Speaker 2: a spectacle. And I do wonder. I wonder like if
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Speaker 2: he could see it, would he do? Would he be like,
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Speaker 2: shave it shave it off?
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Speaker 3: I don't think so, And like, who's going to tell
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Speaker 3: him right unless he knows and it's a part of
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Speaker 3: the act, it.
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Speaker 2: Could be, I mean, but what would like wouldn't it
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Speaker 2: be a cooler story if he could see to like
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Speaker 2: come out and be like, hey, guess what figured it out?
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Speaker 2: I can see again? Like that would be huge news.
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Speaker 2: It would probably like like no, what we don't like
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Speaker 2: Stevie wonder because he's blind and his music fucking rips again.
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Speaker 3: He's been killing it since the sixties, like since he
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Speaker 3: was like ten years old. Like his music's unbelievable. Wikipedia
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Speaker 3: has each decade he's been performing as Like in the
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Speaker 3: sixties it was just singles. The seventies, it was this
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Speaker 3: classic albums period, Like who the fuck has a classic
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Speaker 3: albums period? Right, Yeah, like an entire decade where they're like,
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Speaker 3: he just made banger after banger and in the eighties
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Speaker 3: he's sold out. They're like, wow, this is what he's
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Speaker 3: selling out, Like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all trash, but twenty years.
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Speaker 3: Into a career, he's like, I guess I'm gonna sell
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Speaker 3: out now, you know. It's fucking crazy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely he's had a long run. Maybe he's
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Speaker 2: just so talented and so creative that like pretending to
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Speaker 2: be blind is the only way he can feel whole anymore.
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Speaker 2: Like music is just so easy. But yeah, navigating the
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Speaker 2: world as a blind person who isn't blind. What if
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Speaker 2: his glasses make him blind and that's the thing, like
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Speaker 2: he can see, but just just for the challenge, he
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Speaker 2: goes out in the world not blind.
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Speaker 3: It's it's just crazy and what He's won twenty five
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Speaker 3: Grammys as well as a Lifetime Achievement Award in ninety six,
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Speaker 3: which he was still making music in ninety six and
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Speaker 3: is still making music now, Like, yeah, it's a lifetime
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Speaker 3: chieving award in the middle of his career. And then
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Speaker 3: only one of four artists who have won a Grammy
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Speaker 3: for Album of the Year three times, with the tam Sinatra,
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Speaker 3: Paul Simon, which is a weird one, and then Taylor swift.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised at the Paul Simon one.
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Speaker 3: Right, Taylor Swift On was not that surprising, but the
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Speaker 3: Paul Simon, I'm like, how the fuck did that happen?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually surprised there aren't more people who've won
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Speaker 2: it three times. That's interesting.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like not even like Michael Jackson, Yeah, yeah right,
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Speaker 3: Mariah Carey.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Jackson, Mariah Carrey, Madonna Prince. Like there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of people that you would that have like some
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Speaker 2: real bangers that you would think.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Beyonce has never even won one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a scandal. That's a scandal.
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Speaker 3: That's the next conspiracy. They're just hating on her.
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Speaker 2: So this theory you have in the notes that rose
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Speaker 2: to prominence in twenty ten.
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Speaker 3: Yes, because the video of We Are the World recatches
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Speaker 3: the mic stand resurfaced.
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Speaker 2: Oh the White House performance.
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Speaker 3: You mean the White House performance? Yes, sorry, he caught
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Speaker 3: So who ran by was like stink it was someone.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't that Paul McCartney.
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Speaker 3: It was Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney ran by him, hit
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Speaker 3: the mic stand to get to like the piano, and
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Speaker 3: then but Stevie Wonder catches the mic stand like there
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Speaker 3: was a wonder million catch for like anyone who can see,
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Speaker 3: and he just fucking caught it and it puts it back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a weird video. That's the video that
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Speaker 2: definitely got me on board. So I guess yeah, I'm
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Speaker 2: an ogen. I'm on the ground floor of the Stevie
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Speaker 2: Truther movement.
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Speaker 3: Right, Like, how did he do that? Nobody knows how
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Speaker 3: he did that. Like I even watched there's a blind
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Speaker 3: guy who broke down ceed Wonder blindness this he broke
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Speaker 3: down his whole conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 2: Wow'd he do it?
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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I don't know, but he came,
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Speaker 3: he tried to come to his defense. But I'm like
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Speaker 3: dog you can't even see it either, man, Like how
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Speaker 3: you he's just like blind people do cool tricks sometimes.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, everybody's cool tricks sometimes, Like he's not dared evil.
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Speaker 2: I know it does at least I have read that
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Speaker 2: like being a blind person, over time, your other senses
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Speaker 2: are gonna get a little more heightened and you're gonna
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Speaker 2: really like have a good sense of your body and
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Speaker 2: like where it is in space. I don't know, I
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Speaker 2: don't know. But also, yeah, he caught that mic stand
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Speaker 2: so like maybe he just perfectly like heard Paul McCartney
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Speaker 2: knock it over and go whoo, and he just knew
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Speaker 2: to reach out. I don't know what direction it fell. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: what if he was trying to grab Paul McCartney's dick, But.
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Speaker 3: How would even know Paul McCartney's height, you know what
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Speaker 3: I mean? Even then like the echo location like package
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Speaker 3: hitting the pants and he's like there's this hog and
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Speaker 3: then he grabs it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. The mic stand video is very odd. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: if we were a better podcast, we'd like have a
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Speaker 2: blind person on to talk about this.
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Speaker 3: And again I hope this isn't like the sparage in
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Speaker 3: like blind people like, we're not trying to do that,
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Speaker 3: but this guy if it is, if it is true,
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Speaker 3: we can see he's making a profit off of your
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Speaker 3: pain for decades, Like we're doing your service.
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Speaker 2: I will say there there are some of these celebrity
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Speaker 2: stories that I think can be explained even if he
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Speaker 2: is blind. I couldn't find the Oprah video.
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Speaker 3: I remember watching this episode of Oprah where she gifted
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Speaker 3: him a Bentley and I was just like, he can't
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Speaker 3: even drive. Why unless he can see? Like, why on
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Speaker 3: earth would you give him that?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: Like? Am I crazy? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I mean it would be a weird choice.
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Speaker 3: A Rose Royce back in four because he's saying at
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Speaker 3: her fiftieth birthday party, I mean.
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Speaker 2: Stevie wanted, he wants a cool car like anyone else.
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Speaker 2: Why do you want Stevie wonder sitting in the passenger
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Speaker 2: seat of a fucking Hyundai or something.
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Speaker 3: But he can't fucking drive it.
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Speaker 2: But I bet when people are like nice, Rose Royce, Stevie,
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Speaker 2: He's like.
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Speaker 3: What's that? What is that? Describe it to me?
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Speaker 2: Did he say anything? When she gave him a role?
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Speaker 3: It was like thank you? And like everybody's like, what
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Speaker 3: the fuck? Oprah?
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Speaker 2: Because I remember we gave George Bush hell for waving
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Speaker 2: it Stevie Wonder, Remember that, Yes, he waved at Stevie
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Speaker 2: Wonder and we were like, you insensitive fucking monster. Read
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Speaker 2: the room and Oprah's like, here's a cessna, learn to
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Speaker 2: fly it. I'm sure blind people can fly planes.
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Speaker 3: Though, I mean there's a less thanks to hit up there.
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Speaker 3: Something they just got to get up.
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Speaker 2: How ironic would that be? Like you can't have shitty
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Speaker 2: vision and fly a plane, but I bet you can
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Speaker 2: also be blind and fly.
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Speaker 3: But like, so there's a Reddit post if today I
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Speaker 3: learned Oprah Winfrey bought CV wonder Rose Royce, so thank
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Speaker 3: you for singing Happy Birthday at her fiftieth birthday party.
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Speaker 3: You click on the link no longer exists.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't find video of this.
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Speaker 3: They're scrubbing and everybody on rebbit on redd excuse me.
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Speaker 3: It's like, does she know he's blind? I wonder if
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Speaker 3: she also hired a driver for him?
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Speaker 2: I mean he's got to have a driver. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: like at some point, almost any gift, it's gonna feel like,
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Speaker 2: why are you giving that to a blind dude?
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Speaker 3: It's a good point unless it's like brail unless the
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Speaker 3: Braille book.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Stevie Wonder just gets books. That's the only
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Speaker 2: giff we're allowing Stevie one books, audio books, books on CD,
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Speaker 2: books on cassette, things like that.
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Speaker 3: And this is why this conspiracy doesn't get taken seriously
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Speaker 3: is because it's very funny. It's so fucking funny.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's undeniably funny that Oprah Winfrey
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Speaker 2: gifted him a car. It's not funny that he's blind,
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Speaker 2: just like that La comedian Daniel Perez who went on
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Speaker 2: Prices Right and won a treadmill. And thing to note
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Speaker 2: about Daniel Perez wheelchairs.
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Speaker 3: In a wheelchair missing her feet.
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Speaker 2: Yes, missing her feet. So yeah, treadmill was an odd
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Speaker 2: gift for the Prices Right.
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Speaker 3: So there's also pictures of him taking pictures of other people.
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Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Like he's there's a picture of
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Speaker 3: him going around to him taking pictures of Michael Jackson.
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Speaker 2: That's that is weird. That is weird.
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Speaker 3: And it's like the blind guy in the video where
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Speaker 3: he just benning Stevie was like, we like to have
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Speaker 3: fun sometimes. I'm like, yeah, that's funny. But like Michael
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Speaker 3: Jackson's into the pose, like he's really going hard at
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Speaker 3: this pose.
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Speaker 2: Like maybe there was just no one else around, and
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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson really needed that fucking picture, and he's like,
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Speaker 2: Stevie needs.
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Speaker 3: You, Stevie, I need you to break character. But like
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Speaker 3: this outfit's are looking fucking dope. I need this memorialized.
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Speaker 3: You gotta do it, buddy.
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Speaker 2: It look like a sparkly band leader right now. Take
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Speaker 2: this picture.
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Speaker 3: But also like this is like the only conspiracy that
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Speaker 3: I feel like celebrities will fully talk about. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 3: but like high profile ones.
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Speaker 2: You are right though, like at least in this list
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Speaker 2: of celebrities, it is exclusively black celebrities.
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Speaker 3: Yes, like Matthew McConaughey isn't out there, like yo, Stevie
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Speaker 3: wanted could fucking see guys, Is this.
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Speaker 2: Gonna be my niche? Is this gonna be like my
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Speaker 2: Beatles moment where I just steal from the black community
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Speaker 2: and like run and make a career out of Stevie
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Speaker 2: wonder can see?
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Speaker 3: I hope not. That'd be fucking sack.
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Speaker 2: I might just go full Stevie Truther all the time,
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Speaker 2: all five episodes a week.
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Speaker 3: There's so many videos of it, though, But like I
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Speaker 3: feel like a lot of those videos are like mean
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Speaker 3: spirited where he's at like a basketball game and they're like,
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Speaker 3: what the fuck does he need to he can't see
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Speaker 3: the game, Like why does he have good seats? And
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Speaker 3: I'm like, we're not doing that here, Like he can
19:27
Speaker 3: enjoy his life. It's a lot of like he's doing
19:30
Speaker 3: mundane things. Fuck this guy, he's lying to us.
19:33
Speaker 2: And it's not just that, it's a lot of why
19:35
Speaker 2: is he enjoying his life?
19:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think him getting a car is fucking
19:41
Speaker 3: sus fucking sus man.
19:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, the car thing is weird, and yeah, let's talk
19:47
Speaker 2: about some of the celebrity stories speaking of cars. Lionel Richie.
19:51
Speaker 3: Lionel Richie is like, oh, you know Stevie Wonder, I
19:54
Speaker 3: saw him driving get my neighborhood.
19:56
Speaker 2: Well, he didn't say that.
19:58
Speaker 3: It was backing out from his drive He's like, I
20:00
Speaker 3: saw Stevie Wonder backing out from his driveway.
20:03
Speaker 2: Well, I've tracked down the video where he tells the story,
20:06
Speaker 2: and Okay, he says that he and Stevie Wonder were
20:09
Speaker 2: both in the car and Stevie Wonder when they get
20:13
Speaker 2: in the car, for some reason, Stevie Wonder's like, I
20:15
Speaker 2: want to get in the driver's seat because he thought
20:19
Speaker 2: they were just like going to hop in this car
20:21
Speaker 2: to like talk or something. And either that or Lionel
20:25
Speaker 2: Richie was like, fuck it, you're Stevie Wonder. If you
20:27
Speaker 2: want to try and drive, go ahead. But he said
20:30
Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder turned the car on and then did that
20:34
Speaker 2: thing where you put your arm around the passenger seat
20:37
Speaker 2: and look behind you to start backing up, and that
20:39
Speaker 2: he started backing up, but then he stopped and like said,
20:43
Speaker 2: I gotcha, Like he was just joking.
20:47
Speaker 3: Again, having way too much fun being blind.
20:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, and where did he learn the put your arm
20:54
Speaker 2: around the seat and look back thing?
20:56
Speaker 3: Where do you know where the ignition was? Like, Lionel
20:59
Speaker 3: rich wasn't like I saw him bumbling for the keys.
21:03
Speaker 3: It was smooth.
21:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't I think would have mentioned that if it
21:07
Speaker 2: took him like twenty two attempts to get to I
21:12
Speaker 2: assume he would have brought that part up. So yeah,
21:14
Speaker 2: I guess that is interesting.
21:16
Speaker 3: But again it wasn't. It was just like apropos of nothing,
21:19
Speaker 3: Like no one was like tell us your best Stevie
21:21
Speaker 3: Wonder story, Like all these people are willfully giving up
21:25
Speaker 3: these stories. Yes, yes, right, Like the next one, Shack
21:29
Speaker 3: him and Shack you still have in like the same
21:31
Speaker 3: apartment building, right, and Shaq got on the elevator and
21:35
Speaker 3: that Stevie Wonder got on the elevator and was like, Hi, Shack,
21:37
Speaker 3: how are you? And Shack's like, how did you even
21:39
Speaker 3: know I was here?
21:40
Speaker 2: Do you think Shack has a scent? Ooh, maybe everyone
21:46
Speaker 2: has a scent. Every house has a scent, like we
21:49
Speaker 2: all have our own fucking aroma, and Shacks might just
21:53
Speaker 2: be pungent. Stevie Wonder might have like seen Shack coming,
21:57
Speaker 2: so to speak, like before that elevator or even ope.
22:01
Speaker 3: So like my dad was like an enormous guy who's
22:04
Speaker 3: a very heavy set guy, right, but there was there's
22:07
Speaker 3: some parts to him he couldn't clean. So maybe Shack
22:11
Speaker 3: is like the same way. He's just like there's just
22:14
Speaker 3: a fold like right behind the eleventh rip that he
22:18
Speaker 3: just doesn't wash and it's just musty.
22:21
Speaker 2: That could be See, we nailed it. But then also
22:25
Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder's a musician. We're also kind of ignoring the
22:29
Speaker 2: fact that he plays piano and is blind. So with Shack,
22:33
Speaker 2: if this was a place they both lived. Stevie Wonder
22:36
Speaker 2: is going to have some muscle memory built up when
22:39
Speaker 2: it comes to hitting that button, and then you know,
22:43
Speaker 2: like brail, like all of those hotel elevator buttons tend
22:47
Speaker 2: to have brail.
22:48
Speaker 3: Sure, but knowing it's it with Shack, like, that's the
22:52
Speaker 3: weird part.
22:53
Speaker 2: That part is weird. That part is weird. I bet
22:55
Speaker 2: it's a combination of scent and I bet Shack breathe heavy.
23:01
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh a million percent, because he's massive.
23:04
Speaker 2: Everything he does is like a strain on his body.
23:07
Speaker 3: Dude. I remember as a kid I met Rashid Wallace.
23:11
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, his kid was.
23:13
Speaker 3: In the same class as me, in like third grade,
23:15
Speaker 3: second grade. But I just remember him walking in the
23:18
Speaker 3: room and then like crouching to get in the door.
23:21
Speaker 3: And he was not even Shackkite, But I remember I
23:23
Speaker 3: walked up to him and I was like, yo, dude,
23:25
Speaker 3: could you pick me up so I can touch the door?
23:27
Speaker 3: And then a line of us kids and he picked
23:29
Speaker 3: us all up so we can hit the door. He
23:31
Speaker 3: was like the nicest guy, He's the best.
23:33
Speaker 2: That's great. Donald Glover, Donald Glover, I think I can explain.
23:37
Speaker 3: Please explain it.
23:38
Speaker 2: Well, Donald Glover's whole thing is he wanted to use
23:42
Speaker 2: some of Stevie Wonder's music in an episode of Atlanta,
23:46
Speaker 2: and he said he was texting with Stevie Wonder about it,
23:49
Speaker 2: and that was his first thing. He was like, how
23:51
Speaker 2: does he even text? And it's like, of course, blind
23:54
Speaker 2: people text, Yeah, voice voice, that's very easy. But his
23:59
Speaker 2: next thing was, well, Stevie Wonder was like, I want
24:02
Speaker 2: to watch the episode first, and that's where Donald Glover
24:05
Speaker 2: was like, what how what do you mean you want
24:07
Speaker 2: to watch the episode? And I know because I accidentally
24:12
Speaker 2: enabled it once. There's a setting on most TVs that
24:19
Speaker 2: it's like close captioning but for the movement and action,
24:24
Speaker 2: So instead of the words popping up on the screen,
24:28
Speaker 2: there's a voice that's like Stevie Wonder jumps in the
24:31
Speaker 2: car and starts the ignition, Stevie Wonder drives away. And
24:37
Speaker 2: I enabled it on accident somehow. But it was on
24:41
Speaker 2: a show called The Good Fight, which is a very
24:43
Speaker 2: weird and quirky show that does like strange shit sometimes,
24:49
Speaker 2: And for like ten minutes, I was like is this
24:51
Speaker 2: going somewhere? Like why are they having this? Like voiceover
24:55
Speaker 2: describe every movement, like what is how is this integral
24:59
Speaker 2: to the plot? And then eventually I was like, oh,
25:02
Speaker 2: this is for blind people. Yeah, that's what's going on here.
25:05
Speaker 2: This is for blind people.
25:06
Speaker 3: The Donald Lover one, I think might be the it's
25:08
Speaker 3: the weakest one, like that one is the weakest one.
25:10
Speaker 3: But I forgot one. The Boy George one.
25:13
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's there's a dead Spin article.
25:16
Speaker 3: Yes, I think one of Stevie Wonder's friends where like
25:19
Speaker 3: they saw them choke Boy George at a party, like
25:23
Speaker 3: went up to him through a crowd of people and
25:25
Speaker 3: just choked them.
25:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is an anecdote that's out there. There's just
25:29
Speaker 2: like no proof, isn't it just someone saying they heard
25:33
Speaker 2: boy George say in an interview, Like we don't even
25:36
Speaker 2: have the boy George interview.
25:38
Speaker 3: No, it says the quote is holla back boy. Now
25:42
Speaker 3: I know why I didn't put it in bro to
25:45
Speaker 3: see Boy George tone unknown interviewed about drunk memory of
25:48
Speaker 3: his which Wonder choked him out. No, that's why it happened.
25:52
Speaker 3: It was a week Stevie Wonder one. Excuse me. Steve
25:54
Speaker 3: Harvey one.
25:55
Speaker 2: Steve Harvey one, I couldn't find he like played a
25:58
Speaker 2: prank on Steve Harvey. Is that correct?
26:01
Speaker 3: Sort of? So Steve I got the Steve Harvey one
26:03
Speaker 3: and line of Richie one confused. Where Steve Harvey at
26:06
Speaker 3: like the end of an episode of Family Feud, it
26:09
Speaker 3: was in like the blind guy defending Stevie video an
26:12
Speaker 3: episode of Family Feud. At the end of it, he
26:14
Speaker 3: just does like a set where he's like, I fucking
26:17
Speaker 3: saw Stevie Wonder drive around in my neighborhood, like he
26:20
Speaker 3: can fucking see, like literally dropping f bombs. After Family
26:23
Speaker 3: Feud's exactly, He's like he can fucking see like he's
26:26
Speaker 3: fucking lying all everybody, Like he just goes off with
26:28
Speaker 3: Stevie Wonder.
26:29
Speaker 2: Steve Harvey was cursing, yes wow, because he like very
26:33
Speaker 2: famously stopped cursing correct.
26:35
Speaker 3: So that's why I was like, oh damn, he this
26:39
Speaker 3: is this serious. If he's like he can fucking see
26:42
Speaker 3: like he's fucking lying everybody, Like he's like I fucking
26:44
Speaker 3: saw him drive to my name, but he's like he
26:45
Speaker 3: was going slow, but he was driving.
26:48
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be risky though, if you're Stevie Wonder, Yes, absolutely,
26:54
Speaker 2: because it's not like he can just go to subway
26:57
Speaker 2: or something like everyone in the world it's going to
27:01
Speaker 2: be like you, sir, are Stevie Wonder.
27:04
Speaker 3: But nobody are asking these people to say. This is
27:08
Speaker 3: the crazy part, you know what I mean, Like, no
27:11
Speaker 3: one's like, what's your stance on Stevie Wonders if you
27:14
Speaker 3: can see or not? Like they just are like, yay,
27:17
Speaker 3: nuggets are great, but Stevie Wonder could fucking see. Like
27:20
Speaker 3: it's crazy that.
27:21
Speaker 2: Anthony Anderson one I thought was a little interesting.
27:26
Speaker 3: Or he's just saying, hey, I know he could see
27:28
Speaker 3: put things in front of him and watch him dodge everything.
27:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what he says is that they were at
27:35
Speaker 2: a party and Stevie Wonder just walked up to him
27:39
Speaker 2: and was like, hey, Anthony, will you take me over
27:41
Speaker 2: to the piano? And Anthony Anderson was like, what if
27:44
Speaker 2: you know she just walked up to me and knew
27:46
Speaker 2: it was me. Seems like you could just get to
27:48
Speaker 2: the piano too. What's going on? And he's like, Anthony
27:52
Speaker 2: Anderson seems serious about it. He's like he had to
27:55
Speaker 2: start playing it off because he knows he slipped up.
27:57
Speaker 2: But Stevie Wonder can see.
28:00
Speaker 3: And like nobody's asking them like was Anthony Anderson. They're
28:04
Speaker 3: like promote like a show. It was on a late
28:07
Speaker 3: night show. We're there to promote it, and then he
28:08
Speaker 3: just goes into the sangent.
28:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was all dolled up too, so he was
28:12
Speaker 2: promoting something serious.
28:14
Speaker 3: The most serious one is by Bomani Jones, though.
28:17
Speaker 2: Bomani Jones will have to go into in detail. But
28:20
Speaker 2: we just talk about Chica.
28:21
Speaker 3: Chica just said he can use zoom.
28:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in that article she was like that that
28:27
Speaker 2: was for me, that wasn't for him, Like we could
28:30
Speaker 2: have just talked on the phone, but I wanted to
28:32
Speaker 2: see Stevie Wonder.
28:33
Speaker 3: Okay, that's another week, like.
28:35
Speaker 2: You selfish monster.
28:38
Speaker 3: Wow, the Bomani one is serious.
28:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bomani one, he really really means it.
28:44
Speaker 3: Where it's just someone taking a recording from their phone
28:48
Speaker 3: of a recording of a screen of Bomani going in
28:50
Speaker 3: on Stevie Wonder being able to see.
28:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird video. Bomani Jones must have like
28:56
Speaker 2: deleted it. I don't know where he was. It doesn't
28:59
Speaker 2: seem like he's doing a TV show because Boumonti Jones.
29:02
Speaker 2: For people who don't know, he's a very well respected
29:05
Speaker 2: sports journalist and commentator. He had his own show on HBO.
29:11
Speaker 2: I don't know if he still does.
29:13
Speaker 3: It got canceled.
29:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first episode, the guest was Stephen A. Smith,
29:17
Speaker 2: and it was one of the most obnoxious episodes of
29:19
Speaker 2: television I've ever seen. It was Steven A. Smith mostly
29:22
Speaker 2: talking about how he feels like he is as famous
29:25
Speaker 2: as the athletes he covers. It's like, you know, we're not.
29:30
Speaker 3: I I could see extent, but it depends I.
29:34
Speaker 2: Mean within the sports world, like if you're like a
29:37
Speaker 2: sports debate show person. Yeah, Stephen A. Smith is super famous,
29:42
Speaker 2: but that I mean he's on General Hospital too, So
29:47
Speaker 2: I guess there's that Steven A.
29:48
Speaker 3: Smith's on General Hospital.
29:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a recurring role on General Hospital. I
29:53
Speaker 2: forget what his name is. What he plays like a
29:57
Speaker 2: shadowy figure on Yeah, what's his character name?
30:00
Speaker 3: I have no idea Brick.
30:02
Speaker 2: His name is Brick on General Hospital. It's true.
30:06
Speaker 3: I believe it. I believe it now. There is Spomani
30:09
Speaker 3: Jones video. It's a four parter, but it's clearly before
30:13
Speaker 3: he was doing well right, like he looks very rough.
30:15
Speaker 2: Well, it might just be an old video too, because
30:19
Speaker 2: this theory dates back to twenty ten. This could be
30:22
Speaker 2: him on a webcam in like two K twelve.
30:27
Speaker 3: He's just saying that Stevie Wonder was trying to get
30:29
Speaker 3: on Dancing with the Stars. That's you go into it
30:31
Speaker 3: because I did not listen to this.
30:34
Speaker 2: That's his main argument is Stevie Wonder is going on
30:38
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars, and his whole thing is can
30:42
Speaker 2: you do that as a blind person? And I think
30:46
Speaker 2: today we would call that being a little bit ablest.
30:49
Speaker 2: I think yeah, because I mean my thought was, yeah,
30:54
Speaker 2: of course blind people can dance, like and I looked
30:58
Speaker 2: it up. Have you seen any of those Instagram videos
31:01
Speaker 2: where it's like NBA dance teams and there will be
31:05
Speaker 2: one girl doing choreography behind another girl, and yeah, the
31:10
Speaker 2: girl in front has to like figure out the choreography
31:13
Speaker 2: from just the sounds that are coming from behind her. Yes,
31:17
Speaker 2: and like nine times out of ten they're able to
31:19
Speaker 2: figure it out.
31:20
Speaker 3: Yeah.
31:21
Speaker 2: I'm not blind, and I didn't like take a course
31:25
Speaker 2: to confirm, but it seems like that's how it would
31:28
Speaker 2: work with a blind person on Dancing with the Stars.
31:32
Speaker 2: I also found, I mean to give people an idea
31:35
Speaker 2: of just how possible. It is. I found a link
31:38
Speaker 2: to someone who teaches ballet two blind people over the internet.
31:44
Speaker 3: Damn.
31:45
Speaker 2: So yeah, Stevie Wonder could have been on Dancing with
31:47
Speaker 2: the Stars.
31:48
Speaker 3: Like, let's just be real for a second. This conspiracy
31:51
Speaker 3: theory is like mainly ablest because it's like Stevie Wonder
31:55
Speaker 3: is too good at being blind, Like there's no way
31:59
Speaker 3: of this is good at being blind.
32:01
Speaker 2: Well, the whole theory is exactly what we're doing here,
32:05
Speaker 2: Like it's people who aren't blind who don't have this disability,
32:09
Speaker 2: not even asking people who do have this disability if
32:14
Speaker 2: any of this is valid. We're just like, listen, I
32:17
Speaker 2: know what I can do as a person who can see,
32:19
Speaker 2: and I'm assuming blind people can do none of it,
32:22
Speaker 2: because how would you do it without your eyes? And
32:28
Speaker 2: you know it's because they got them Daredevil's senses everywhere
32:30
Speaker 2: else for sure.
32:32
Speaker 3: And the Bomani also saying that his friends sold Stevie
32:35
Speaker 3: Wonders three plasma TVs at once, like Stevie Wonder dressing
32:41
Speaker 3: the same So it's nineteen seventy two.
32:43
Speaker 2: I like that. Again, We're we're all assuming blind people
32:47
Speaker 2: just sit at home in either silence or they're only
32:51
Speaker 2: listening to music. They're never enjoying movies, never enjoying TV shows.
32:56
Speaker 2: Why would you even have a TV? You absolutely what
33:00
Speaker 2: is wrong with you? Why give that TV back? Why
33:03
Speaker 2: do you have it?
33:04
Speaker 3: That's where this theory is like falls apart and gets
33:07
Speaker 3: that kind of mean. Yeah, I am one of the pretense,
33:11
Speaker 3: Like it's weird. He fucking caught that thing, and it's weird.
33:14
Speaker 3: He's like driving cars and he's looking at people's bones
33:18
Speaker 3: all the fun shit. I get Like if if he's
33:21
Speaker 3: at basketball games, they're loud and he's the court side,
33:24
Speaker 3: so he's hearing the game.
33:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's got
33:29
Speaker 2: like a thing in where he can hear it.
33:32
Speaker 3: Like, Yeah, when.
33:33
Speaker 2: I went to the US Open, that was a thing
33:35
Speaker 2: you could do. You didn't even have to be blind.
33:37
Speaker 2: You just had to have an American Express card and
33:40
Speaker 2: for three they would give you these little radios that
33:43
Speaker 2: you could attach to your ear that plays the ESPN broadcast.
33:48
Speaker 2: Yeah while you're watching the US Open. Yeah, I am
33:52
Speaker 2: sure he's got something like that. And also I just like,
33:56
Speaker 2: I like the gumption to sit courtside as a blind
34:00
Speaker 2: person like that will fuck you to everyone else could
34:05
Speaker 2: have maybe sat court side, and you know they're like,
34:08
Speaker 2: you couldn't sit and row three, motherfucker.
34:10
Speaker 3: You are blocking my view.
34:13
Speaker 2: Guess we're all Stevie Wonder tonight. Thanks.
34:16
Speaker 3: Those are again those arguments are like the more fucked
34:19
Speaker 3: up ones where it's like he has money, he will
34:21
Speaker 3: sit court side. If you're saw them with the nosebleeds,
34:24
Speaker 3: that'd be the shocking part. Yes, because he can afford
34:28
Speaker 3: better seats. Now, that would be crazy.
34:32
Speaker 2: Just where's Waldo's Stevie Wonder and the fucking ros section three?
34:39
Speaker 2: God damn, how do you get up there? He's by himself.
34:43
Speaker 3: He'll be at that seat that's like behind the pillar,
34:45
Speaker 3: Like that's where people want him to sit where you
34:48
Speaker 3: can't even see the court.
34:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, just tell him he's court side again.
34:55
Speaker 3: And that's also everybody's comments, so like why did you
34:57
Speaker 3: just fucking lie to them? And it's like a shit
34:59
Speaker 3: lie to them. But like, dog, it's weird that he's driving,
35:02
Speaker 3: it's weird that he can catch Mike stands like and
35:06
Speaker 3: he it's weird that he's all he's cool with all
35:08
Speaker 3: these jokes about him, Like yeah.
35:10
Speaker 2: That part is I mean but I mean, you know,
35:13
Speaker 2: he's just just a good natured guy.
35:16
Speaker 3: Do you do you have more of Bomani?
35:17
Speaker 2: Well, it really is him kind of repeatedly going back
35:22
Speaker 2: to the Dancing with the Stars thing, and then he
35:25
Speaker 2: does go on a sort of rant about people getting
35:30
Speaker 2: mad about this theory, and his point is basically, I'm
35:35
Speaker 2: wishing vision on Stevie Wonder. You're wishing blindness on Stevie Wonder.
35:40
Speaker 2: Why am I a bad person? Like I hope he
35:44
Speaker 2: can see, Like that's what I want, Which that's true,
35:47
Speaker 2: and that's I mean, I think that is the part
35:51
Speaker 2: that makes this conspiracy seem harmless. Yeah, is the part
35:57
Speaker 2: where it's like, well, yeah, like who cares if Stevie
35:59
Speaker 2: Wonder can see? And I still maintain like, cool, that's
36:03
Speaker 2: great if Stevie Wonder like regained his vision at some
36:06
Speaker 2: point and is just pretending that's great. I'm happy Stevie
36:10
Speaker 2: Wonder can see again.
36:12
Speaker 3: Right, Like, because it's not like he directly profited from
36:16
Speaker 3: being blind, if that makes sense, right, He's not like,
36:19
Speaker 3: he's not like a twenty four seven gofund me because
36:22
Speaker 3: I'm blind and just stealing people's money. He's one of
36:25
Speaker 3: the most talented musicians of all time. Like that's it.
36:28
Speaker 3: So I think that's also why this conspiracy is just
36:31
Speaker 3: so much fun is because he's an enormous success and
36:34
Speaker 3: it's just kind of funny if he just wasn't blind
36:38
Speaker 3: and he was just fucking with everybody.
36:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, it's mostly harmless. It's just the it's
36:44
Speaker 2: it's that so much of it and it just kind
36:46
Speaker 2: of like registered as we were recording this that like
36:50
Speaker 2: so much of it boils down to, well, blind people
36:53
Speaker 2: can't do stuff, and like, yeah they can, like and
37:00
Speaker 2: and like think about all right, like imagine you were
37:03
Speaker 2: blind and you had to walk to the store, the
37:07
Speaker 2: nearest store. Like imagine if someone put goggles on you
37:13
Speaker 2: that made you blind and you had to walk to
37:15
Speaker 2: the store, you would die, Like you'd probably die in
37:17
Speaker 2: traffic or a fall or something. But then at the
37:21
Speaker 2: same time, think about what a blind person needs to
37:25
Speaker 2: make that journey, like basically a stick and for the
37:30
Speaker 2: fucking crosswalks to be like dope, And that's it. They
37:35
Speaker 2: got it figured out. So like, once you get that
37:38
Speaker 2: part down, I bet it's a lot like playing guitar,
37:41
Speaker 2: where you just get fucking better at it. As top
37:44
Speaker 2: sure goes on and eventually it's like you kind of
37:48
Speaker 2: have eyes. I bet like the rest of your senses
37:51
Speaker 2: probably get a little more fine tuned. I would sure,
37:55
Speaker 2: shit hope for sure.
37:56
Speaker 3: And it's like, again, I think we've done a good
38:00
Speaker 3: of not being like what the fuck you shouldn't be
38:03
Speaker 3: You should be enjoyed himself, like god, dude, go do
38:06
Speaker 3: your thing. But it's like, it's weird that you you
38:08
Speaker 3: can catch things. It's weird. It is.
38:11
Speaker 2: The mic stand thing will always be weird to me
38:14
Speaker 2: because that's like, that's so quick. I would at least
38:17
Speaker 2: expect that it would just fall and Stevie Wonder would
38:20
Speaker 2: be like, what was that? What happened?
38:22
Speaker 3: It was like when Daredevil caught that brick in like
38:24
Speaker 3: the Spider Man movie.
38:26
Speaker 2: It's an impressive video.
38:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, but here's my speculation, okay about what adds this
38:33
Speaker 3: fuel to me is I saw him live. He maneuverd
38:37
Speaker 3: around a stage like a pro, like he didn't have
38:39
Speaker 3: no one helping him. That was fucking crazy. But this
38:42
Speaker 3: one is my No one mentions this, but it's like
38:46
Speaker 3: my rapper theory, okay, where so many rappers use Stevie
38:51
Speaker 3: Wonder as like a line right where they're like, you
38:54
Speaker 3: can't see me, you're blind, like Stevie, Like every rapper
38:58
Speaker 3: said that, and Stevie Wonder has yet to be like, fuck,
39:01
Speaker 3: you don't make fun of me. Like he's been like
39:05
Speaker 3: a metaphor for brokeness and he's not once defended himself.
39:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he might just not care. You know, maybe
39:13
Speaker 2: he doesn't listen to rap music.
39:14
Speaker 3: Someone of his team has got to be like Stevie.
39:17
Speaker 3: You know, they're associating you with being broke, right, Like right,
39:21
Speaker 3: am I crazy?
39:22
Speaker 2: I actually don't see that being a thing Stevie Wonder
39:25
Speaker 2: would care about. He's Stevie Wonder for one thing. He's
39:28
Speaker 2: got to worry about being blind, so that's fair probably
39:32
Speaker 2: occupying a bunch of his time.
39:34
Speaker 3: I just wish he'd be like, yo, stop using me
39:36
Speaker 3: as a fucking bar, Like I'm not a fucking bar.
39:38
Speaker 3: Stop it.
39:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he comes from a different time. He's
39:41
Speaker 2: probably so used to it now that yeah, like it
39:46
Speaker 2: just probably doesn't register with him at all.
39:49
Speaker 3: I didn't say it was a strong theory. I'm just
39:51
Speaker 3: like yo. Someone was like, you're a myth. You're not
39:54
Speaker 3: a myth. You're blind like a tiff I'd be so pissed.
39:58
Speaker 3: I'd be so fucking mad. He was so mad.
40:01
Speaker 2: But I mean, hey, any publicity's good publicity, even a
40:06
Speaker 2: conspiracy podcast about how you might not actually be blind.
40:10
Speaker 3: But again, in conclusion, there are levels to blindness. Just
40:14
Speaker 3: because you're legally blind doesn't mean that you can't see anything.
40:18
Speaker 3: There's a picture of him without his glasses on. He
40:21
Speaker 3: looks super blind. Say, like his eyes, that's pretty bad.
40:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't look like he's got great vision. And normally,
40:28
Speaker 2: I know, don't judge a book by its cover, but eyes,
40:31
Speaker 2: you can kind of look at him and go, oh,
40:33
Speaker 2: you're not using those for what they're for.
40:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if he's been faking for this long, it's
40:38
Speaker 3: fucking impressive. Like, I'm not even mad. It's like, damn,
40:42
Speaker 3: you fooled everybody, even up to a point where you
40:44
Speaker 3: already made it, and he's still doing it.
40:46
Speaker 2: Yeah. What if it's just that he's such an icon
40:49
Speaker 2: to the blind community that he's like, fuck, I can't
40:52
Speaker 2: let him know. It came back. I'm back, I can see.
40:56
Speaker 2: I remember one of those craziest stories I've ever heard.
40:58
Speaker 2: There was a woman who is blind and for one
41:02
Speaker 2: of her birthdays, she and her husband decided to parachute, okay,
41:07
Speaker 2: out of a plane, you know all other things people Zeppelin, helicopter,
41:14
Speaker 2: things like that helicopter would be a smooth parachute experience.
41:18
Speaker 2: While she was on the way down, she heard a
41:20
Speaker 2: popping noise in her head, and like three days later
41:24
Speaker 2: she could see again, and they have like doctors had
41:27
Speaker 2: no fucking clue what happened, but maybe it was something
41:31
Speaker 2: like that.
41:31
Speaker 3: What that's like, like with Lasik, how that got found
41:35
Speaker 3: or discovered is because like somebody's like in a car
41:39
Speaker 3: accident and they got a bunch of glass in their eyes,
41:41
Speaker 3: so they had to take out all the glass, and
41:43
Speaker 3: then when the eyes heal with themselves, like the dude's
41:46
Speaker 3: vision was better. So they're like, why do we just
41:48
Speaker 3: keep cutting people's eyes? Like this seems to work. Yeah,
41:52
Speaker 3: but I'm again, I'm like seventy percent sure that he
41:56
Speaker 3: that I believe this conspiracy, but not for the dickish
41:59
Speaker 3: reason Like I'm in no way being like you shouldn't
42:02
Speaker 3: enjoy himself, like he's rich as shit, fucking go crazy.
42:05
Speaker 3: But the car, I don't know why you need that.
42:09
Speaker 3: It's a weird gift to give a blind guy and
42:11
Speaker 3: the fucking catch the mic stand ketch is insane.
42:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, that video will always that will always hold a
42:18
Speaker 2: place in my heart, even if it can be explained.
42:22
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear it. I don't want to
42:23
Speaker 2: hear it that that was Stevie Wonder in that moment, Like,
42:27
Speaker 2: and are we sure Stevie Wonder's completely blind? Because no,
42:33
Speaker 2: I think I've heard that thing where he like sways
42:38
Speaker 2: from side to side. I I feel like I've heard
42:41
Speaker 2: that that's because some blind people can like see a
42:44
Speaker 2: little bit of light and shadows and stuff and that,
42:48
Speaker 2: Oh it's him following that. But that's just me, that's
42:52
Speaker 2: just me, Riffin. I would have to I would have
42:55
Speaker 2: to do more research into blindness. And again, we are
42:58
Speaker 2: not that kind of pod cast. No, don what do
43:01
Speaker 2: you think we are?
43:03
Speaker 3: Now? And I hope this hasn't offended anybody. Oh, it's
43:07
Speaker 3: certainly probably really Oh, I think this is a very
43:10
Speaker 3: harmless conspiracy period Like.
43:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I actually I don't think people will
43:16
Speaker 2: be offended because I feel like we did do a
43:19
Speaker 2: decent job of pointing out that, hey, this is this
43:22
Speaker 2: is a little blind people can't do shit as far
43:25
Speaker 2: as conspiracy people.
43:26
Speaker 3: Are so mean. I've saked some of the videos where
43:29
Speaker 3: he's like, what the fuck you should fucking was a
43:31
Speaker 3: Knicks game? How do fuck does he know what the
43:33
Speaker 3: Knicks are? Relax, he doesn't need to know that.
43:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, and I'm sure like you hear the descriptions
43:41
Speaker 2: of stuff and you can probably just sort of piece
43:44
Speaker 2: it together in your head. Yeah, Like backboard, that's pretty
43:48
Speaker 2: self explanatory, hoop ball, put the ball in, hoop names people.
43:54
Speaker 2: Some people do it more than others, Like, that's all.
43:57
Speaker 2: Like people were listening to sports exclusively on the radio
44:01
Speaker 2: for a long, long long time before TV.
44:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, it's any. It's a super zany
44:09
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory.
44:10
Speaker 2: I mean the court side seats thing, if anything, just
44:13
Speaker 2: strikes me as a waste of money.
44:17
Speaker 3: But he has plenty of it.
44:19
Speaker 2: So he's got money to waste, so it's fine.
44:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
44:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get I get why people like cling to it,
44:26
Speaker 2: because I mean, it is it's like a lot of
44:29
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories in that most of it is rooted in
44:33
Speaker 2: stuff we don't know. We're like the people pushing the theory,
44:38
Speaker 2: like we're clearly not experts on blindness. And I'm sure
44:42
Speaker 2: if someone would just ask, all of these things can
44:45
Speaker 2: be pretty easily explained, like because again we explained some
44:48
Speaker 2: of them, Like I guarantee him watching Atlanta is like
44:51
Speaker 2: TV's are set up for that, like they do that now.
44:54
Speaker 3: And Shack probably fucking smells like ass. There's no way
44:57
Speaker 3: he's washing everything. He's not getting behind his kneecap, right, And.
45:03
Speaker 2: The elevator thing, like, I'm sure if it's a place
45:06
Speaker 2: he lives, I'm sure he's comfortable enough with where the
45:08
Speaker 2: elevator button is to like use it himself. Like again, line,
45:14
Speaker 2: people use elevators all the time.
45:15
Speaker 3: And again, I don't think I'm not mad, you're you
45:19
Speaker 3: don't see mad? That like off about him maybe being
45:23
Speaker 3: able to see everybody's so mad at him that are
45:26
Speaker 3: truthers of this. It's fucking crazy.
45:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nuts. I don't know why a person would
45:33
Speaker 2: be mad at this life. So is it like cultural
45:36
Speaker 2: appropriation or is it he's stealing from stealing his act
45:40
Speaker 2: from the blind community, Like what is there to be
45:43
Speaker 2: mad about? If Stevie Wonder was faking this?
45:46
Speaker 3: It's like the most harmless conspiracy theory, Like yeah, that
45:50
Speaker 3: the government was behind nine to eleven lives were lost,
45:55
Speaker 3: no voice to lose their life because fucking Stevie Wonder
45:59
Speaker 3: might be acting blind.
46:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not really accusing him of much other than
46:04
Speaker 2: like making his life harder in public than it needs
46:06
Speaker 2: to be, I don't know.
46:08
Speaker 3: And being funny, very funny.
46:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stevie Wonder does seem like a character. That's a
46:14
Speaker 2: thing that comes up in the We Are the World
46:16
Speaker 2: documentary too.
46:18
Speaker 3: He's just way too amped about being blind and making
46:21
Speaker 3: jokes about it. That's the off putting part.
46:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he does do it in that documentary.
46:27
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's like, Steevie, we get it all right,
46:30
Speaker 3: You're like, you're fine, man. We love you for your music.
46:34
Speaker 2: Here's a fun sidebar. Do you think you can guess
46:36
Speaker 2: who the rowdiest, drunkest person in the room was when
46:40
Speaker 2: they recorded We Are the World? Sting al Giau?
46:44
Speaker 3: Fuck is al Gireau?
46:47
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you'll have to look him up.
46:49
Speaker 2: Like he's like he's an older singer, like he's uh,
46:53
Speaker 2: he's definitely not the kind of singer you would think
46:56
Speaker 2: of as being the fucking drunk guy in the room.
47:00
Speaker 2: He was so hammered. I don't know, who al jiaux
47:03
Speaker 2: is that I don't. Wow, Well, fine, never mind, I
47:07
Speaker 2: take it back.
47:07
Speaker 3: No, I mean now that I'm seeing him, like I've
47:10
Speaker 3: heard some of his shit, But I think he was
47:13
Speaker 3: just like super happy to be there.
47:15
Speaker 2: No, he was. They talked about it. He was like
47:17
Speaker 2: pounding bottles of wine, waiting around to sing his like
47:21
Speaker 2: one line in the song. And by the time they
47:24
Speaker 2: finally got to him singing, he was trashed barely sing
47:29
Speaker 2: that one line. It was pretty great.
47:31
Speaker 3: It was the eighties man like, Yeah, yeah, that's fine.
47:35
Speaker 2: So I think that's our episode, right, Yes, I think
47:38
Speaker 2: I still land on the side of Stevie Wonder being blind,
47:42
Speaker 2: but superhero blind, like the kind of blind that can
47:46
Speaker 2: catch your calling Mike's stand.
47:48
Speaker 3: I'll agree to that. I can agree that that is
47:51
Speaker 3: very plausible Stevie Wonder's Daredevil. Yeah.
47:54
Speaker 2: Like Stevie Wonder is good at music, Like he's one
47:57
Speaker 2: of the best ever at music. Yeah, should not shock
48:01
Speaker 2: anyone that he might be the best at being blind,
48:06
Speaker 2: Like he might be the maestro of being blind, Like
48:09
Speaker 2: he might be able to drive and still be blind.
48:13
Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder, his last name is Wonder a tiff.
48:17
Speaker 3: It's actually like Judkins.
48:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, his name Steveland Hardaway Judkins.
48:24
Speaker 3: That's the weird part his name.
48:27
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, at least he never has to read his
48:30
Speaker 2: real first name. See how weird it looks in print
48:35
Speaker 2: because it's it's not right Steve, and Steveland's not even
48:40
Speaker 2: spelled right. It should be spelled like Cleveland and it's not.
48:43
Speaker 2: It's like Steveland.
48:44
Speaker 3: Yes, and I copy that right from Wikipedia, so like
48:47
Speaker 3: it's not like a fat finger.
48:49
Speaker 2: Has his name been Steavy Wonder this whole time. That's
48:53
Speaker 2: the conspiracy. So all right, we did it.
48:58
Speaker 3: We did it a tiff.
49:00
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for doing the pot Thank you.
49:03
Speaker 3: I hope the notes were good enough. Steve YOUE Wonder.
49:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are actually the first person to do notes
49:09
Speaker 2: for one of these. Normally people just show up and talk.
49:12
Speaker 2: So I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, I felt like this
49:16
Speaker 2: is a lot, probably a lot. How like Stevie Wonder
49:18
Speaker 2: would do it? Someone else do the notes for him
49:22
Speaker 2: and then the computer.
49:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, I thought it. You have to do if
49:27
Speaker 3: it's your own conspiracy. That seems weird to throw something
49:30
Speaker 3: at you and have you do homework.
49:31
Speaker 2: No, I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Okay, Wow, what
49:37
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49:53
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49:55
Speaker 3: I'm not going to.
49:59
Speaker 2: All right, let's get out of here. At Tiff say goodbye, goodbye,
50:02
Speaker 2: goodbye everybody. We love you, people of Earth. You're trying
50:11
Speaker 2: to just have to be destroyed, destroyed,