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The Big Issues - Tuesday 10 August 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Well, it is Tuesday morning, and it is time for
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  Speaker 1: the Big Issues, proudly brought to you by Kolano Community Association,
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  Speaker 1: an Aboriginal owned, operated and community lead organization from the
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  Speaker 1: top End to Tenant Creek and in the studio with
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  Speaker 1: us this morning. Well, we've got Damian Hale, Good morning
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  Speaker 1: to you.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Wolfie, how are you very well?
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  Speaker 1: And we've also got Dave Tolmer, Good morning.
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  Speaker 2: Dave, great Katie.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, good to see you both. And there's plenty happening
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  Speaker 1: around the traps. But I do want to ask you
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  Speaker 1: both very quickly. The governments. Obviously, the territory government's banned
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  Speaker 1: visitors from taking advantage, they say, of Howard Springs Quarantine
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  Speaker 1: Facility to gain entry into other states, as capacity is
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  Speaker 1: set to hit three thousand by the end of the week.
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  Speaker 1: There are two thousand people quarantining at Howard Springs most days.
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  Speaker 1: That includes about thirty to forty percent of domestic travelers.
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  Speaker 1: About eight hundred of them have arrived from domestic COVID
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  Speaker 1: nineteen hot spots, of which less than a quarter are
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  Speaker 1: residents returning home for genuine reasons.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think what's a genuine reason for coming
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  Speaker 3: in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Australian for us to be like, oh no, we're not
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  Speaker 1: allowing you to come here if you've got to go
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  Speaker 1: to work somewhere else.
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  Speaker 4: We're all in it together. However, we'll fight this together
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  Speaker 4: as a nation. We're all in it together. However, we're
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  Speaker 4: not going to share vaccines. We're going to shut our borders.
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  Speaker 4: If you're from Victoria, we don't want you up here.
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  Speaker 3: Like anyway.
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  Speaker 2: It's just amazing. I just love the way the States bang.
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  Speaker 4: They pulled up wolves like the rabbit prool fence across
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  Speaker 4: as very much, very much in operation for Western Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Was certainly a bit orkie seeing, you know, seeing the
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  Speaker 1: Chief Minister Michael Gunna his you know what he was
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  Speaker 1: saying obviously on Channel nine last night. Then they went
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  Speaker 1: to footage of Mark McGowan in w A and him
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  Speaker 1: being like what.
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  Speaker 3: It's us.
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  Speaker 5: Like he was legitimately surprised, and you think you.
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  Speaker 1: Do wonder whether they pick up the phone to each
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  Speaker 1: other and go mate, what will your WA residents coming
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  Speaker 1: through Howard's breaks?
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  Speaker 3: The question is hey do you I mean it's but
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  Speaker 3: how many are they? I mean? How many you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Sort of five f a work coming through the territory
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  Speaker 3: quarantining for two weeks and going off somewhere. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: imagine there'd be too many doing two weeks on two
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  Speaker 3: weeks off that to beware, and you know, living in
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  Speaker 3: quarantine for two weeks is what's the point of leaving wall.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing is.
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  Speaker 3: I reckon they're those ones. They're probably one of the
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  Speaker 3: few lots that are actually paying their bill.
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  Speaker 2: That's the one I want to talk about. Who's paying
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  Speaker 2: the freight.
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  Speaker 4: Probably want to know who's putting their two and a
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  Speaker 4: half up, and I'd be taking a I'd prioritize simply
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  Speaker 4: on who's paying exactly exactly who's the way.
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  Speaker 1: So there is the start that was obtained by the paper,
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  Speaker 1: and he revealed it as of the thirtieth of June,
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  Speaker 1: there was one eight hundred and thirty three quarantine fee
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  Speaker 1: bills unpaid after ninety days from these seven nine hundred
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  Speaker 1: and thirty that were issued by INNT Health to domestic travelers.
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  Speaker 1: So there's quite a substantial number that obviously aren't paying.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently some of them are on payment plans or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, Dave, it's like chasing up people that haven't voted,
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  Speaker 4: Do you really want to do that as the government,
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  Speaker 4: and like you in an election coming up in a
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  Speaker 4: couple of years time, we'll have an election, and no
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  Speaker 4: doubt it'll be very close and harshly forward election, i'd imagine,
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  Speaker 4: and maybe chasing up locals to pay their two and
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  Speaker 4: a half thousand won't be high on the priority. So
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  Speaker 4: I'd be looking at saying, well, you know, well, loaded
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  Speaker 4: up Fi Fi workers from the west that want to
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  Speaker 4: go on holiday on the East coast on their swing,
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  Speaker 4: let them be.
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  Speaker 3: Let's be honest. I mean, seriously, Michael Gunner.
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  Speaker 1: Concerned about the current, but I just sort of look,
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  Speaker 1: I just sort of think, I wonder why you know,
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  Speaker 1: they don't have these discussions sort of well behind.
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  Speaker 2: Closed in front of the media.
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  Speaker 3: We're just we're looking at it this way. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: at least Michael gonna be saying, well, Dave told us
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  Speaker 3: on the Katie Wolfshare talking positively about me.
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  Speaker 2: It's worked, so.
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  Speaker 4: We as long as we continue, I think Katie, the
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  Speaker 4: main message in this is, you know, we're all in
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  Speaker 4: it together.
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  Speaker 2: Let's work together. People missing in action.
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  Speaker 4: I'm now decided it's no longer called a rollout because
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  Speaker 4: of rolling sort of like a momentum sort of movement.
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  Speaker 4: It's more like a wander out, I think the vaccine
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  Speaker 4: wander out or maybe a walkout like it's it's hardly rolling,
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  Speaker 4: is it's hardly rolling.
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  Speaker 3: So I think it's just it's good to it's sort
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  Speaker 3: of been fair game for a while. And you're glad
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  Speaker 3: in New South Wales in issue sort of in the I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't think we're supposed to use for use those two
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  Speaker 1: to give little.
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  Speaker 3: Glad a little glad in, you know, I mean, everybody's
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  Speaker 3: been sorry the what do you call it? When you're
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  Speaker 3: not having a pylon, you're having a idea.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's sort of they have been having.
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  Speaker 3: A go on, and I think sort of seems like
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  Speaker 3: make up a year is sort of he hadn't been
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  Speaker 3: paying attention, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I think we could actually say having a crack would
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  Speaker 1: be you know, a better better term, maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Good sort of imagination.
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  Speaker 1: If it's not the only thing though making headlines at
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  Speaker 1: the moment. Obviously the situation into State and Dave, I
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  Speaker 1: know that you call it a pandemic pawn and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not keen to go down that path, but the discussion
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  Speaker 1: starting to sort of turn to that vaccine roll out,
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  Speaker 1: when Australia is going to wake up, when the vaccine
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  Speaker 1: wonder out, and when Australia is going to sort of
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  Speaker 1: open up again because the situation we're in at the
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  Speaker 1: moment is really tough. We all understand the health concerns,
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that.
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  Speaker 2: We all get that.
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  Speaker 1: But the impact I think on mental health also, the
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  Speaker 1: impact on business on tourism at the moment is massive.
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  Speaker 1: It's really being hard felt all around the nation. Even
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  Speaker 1: when you look at our you know, wherever you look,
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of businesses even here in the territory,
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  Speaker 1: even when you state isn't in lockdown, the impact on
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  Speaker 1: other locations being in lockdown is having a big, big
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  Speaker 1: impact on all of us.
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  Speaker 4: Well. I think there was a bit of complacency with
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  Speaker 4: the lockdowns. Well, the delta variant I think caught everyone
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  Speaker 4: by surprise. We saw what was happening in India and
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  Speaker 4: the spiking and the amount of people that were catching it,
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  Speaker 4: and we've seen it on the East Coast, how quickly
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  Speaker 4: it can go through areas and increasing numbers and it's
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  Speaker 4: deadly like it's you know that a guy twenty seven
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  Speaker 4: year old guy I think passed away in Sydney and
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  Speaker 4: the symptoms come on very quickly and we've got you know,
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  Speaker 4: I think there's around about one hundred people in intensive
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  Speaker 4: care across Australia.
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  Speaker 2: So but vaccinations are the go.
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  Speaker 4: That's why we just have to continue to get people vaccinated.
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  Speaker 4: Like it amazes me when you see cars all lined
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  Speaker 4: up for testing. Why don't they have somebody walking along
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  Speaker 4: and giving them a jab at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like, we need to just get people vaccinated.
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  Speaker 3: I'm done where they want to or not?
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  Speaker 2: Did you get yours?
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  Speaker 3: Here we go? But I just wonder where are all
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  Speaker 3: these women out there screaming my body my choice, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean goodness me to some people might choose not
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  Speaker 3: to have it. You know, why should it be compulsory,
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  Speaker 3: That's what I say. But I'm going to get it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we'll get it.
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  Speaker 2: But we'll still have that phobia for needles stage though't We.
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  Speaker 3: Do want to.
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  Speaker 1: Say that because I know that we have got there
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  Speaker 1: is actually an article in the Australian Today Business has
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  Speaker 1: called on the Morrison government to urgently clarify the law
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  Speaker 1: on compulsory workplace vaccinations, saying that companies had to balance
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  Speaker 1: the risk of manslaughter or negligence lawsuits against infringement of
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  Speaker 1: individual rights. So the dilemma was highlighted last Thursday when
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  Speaker 1: food processor SPC became the first non healthcare company to
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  Speaker 1: mandate vaccines for all on site staff and visitors.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 1: The company is based in Shepperdon in regional Victoria. They
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  Speaker 1: said that they wanted all of their four hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty on site workers to be fully vaccinated by November,
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  Speaker 1: arguing its strict COVID nineteen protocols fell short of what
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  Speaker 1: was required for the highly infectious Delta variants.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I guess that.
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  Speaker 3: Would be the next thing. Whren't people catching COVID from peaches, well,
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  Speaker 3: peach COVID laced peaches.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that to go back, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: business as.
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  Speaker 3: Well as facing a class concern here, is.
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  Speaker 1: That that you know that for some businesses, they probably
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  Speaker 1: are a bit worried or wondering what, you know, legally,
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  Speaker 1: what they do or don't have to do in terms
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  Speaker 1: of if they mandate the vaccine or if they don't
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  Speaker 1: mandate the vaccine, and then someone gets crooked from you know,
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  Speaker 1: let's say an employer in there or employee in their workplace.
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  Speaker 1: These are some of the battlegrounds, the legal battle field,
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  Speaker 1: I suppose you'd say for businesses.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Alan Joyce came out right at the start,
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  Speaker 4: didn't You said that Quanus will have no vaccine, no
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  Speaker 4: fly policy. So that had a lot of impact on
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  Speaker 4: me getting vaccinated because once it opens, I'm going straight
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  Speaker 4: to Cuta and I've been very upfront about that, straight
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  Speaker 4: to Bali, where I'll be sitting there drinking.
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  Speaker 2: Pin takes on one ac.
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  Speaker 3: He wants to get out of the place.
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  Speaker 2: Hotel.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when hotels want to start charging three hundred
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  Speaker 4: and eighty five a night in the territory for territorians,
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  Speaker 4: you got to sort of say, all right, well, if
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  Speaker 4: you're going to do that, I'll save my money and
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  Speaker 4: I'll go elsewhere.
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  Speaker 3: Get yourself a swag mate and get absolutely But I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to bring this weekend. I don't know how I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to cape actually crossing the gown.
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  Speaker 5: Might there could be a photo of you on the board,
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  Speaker 5: but I mean person to fill out this this ridiculous
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  Speaker 5: form to get a board entry.
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  Speaker 3: Pass into w you to do it to get into
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  Speaker 3: the say where you're staying. I said, well, swag are
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  Speaker 3: you laying? I did get in, but I'm staying in
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  Speaker 3: a swag and you know I can't.
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  Speaker 4: That's because he doesn't want to pay three hundred dollars
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  Speaker 4: a night in the hotel.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's not that. It's just to keep under the stars.
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  Speaker 3: Especially where.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to take a very short break. There's plenty
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  Speaker 5: to cover off.
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  Speaker 5: That's Kolano with a K three.
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  Speaker 2: Sixty with Katie Wolf.
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  Speaker 1: It is just ten minutes away from eleven o'clock. I
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  Speaker 1: the Big Issues, proudly brought to you by Kolano Community Association.
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  Speaker 1: Now there's lots to well, there's always plenty happening nationally,
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  Speaker 1: but I do want to take you both to an article. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's making new headlines all around the world. The world's
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  Speaker 1: leading climate scientists have warned that the prospect of limiting
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  Speaker 1: global warming to one point five degrees will be out
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  Speaker 1: of reach within twelve years at current rates of greenhouse
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  Speaker 1: gas emissions in a report that finds it is now
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  Speaker 1: unequivocal that human activity is heating the planet. This landmark
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  Speaker 1: report for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found that
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  Speaker 1: human activity had already warmed the planet by one point
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  Speaker 1: zero seven degrees since the Industrial Revolution, and in a
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  Speaker 1: regional update says Australian land areas have warmed by about
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  Speaker 1: one point four degrees higher than the global average. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, there is obviously concern. Scientific certainty had increased
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  Speaker 1: from the previous study though in twenty fourteen that human
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  Speaker 1: human cause warming was now affecting many weather and climate
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  Speaker 1: extremes in every region across the globe.
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  Speaker 5: So what do you both make of it?
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  Speaker 3: Scary stuff in it.
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  Speaker 1: For our children at ease, they're probably a bit.
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  Speaker 2: It's coming forward in our lifetime as well.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe the people that are alive now will start to
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  Speaker 4: take the threat seriously.
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  Speaker 3: And catastrophus having a field at There's one.
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  Speaker 1: To think to myself where I sit is I do
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  Speaker 1: think that we need to look after the planet better.
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  Speaker 1: No matter what your political views are or how you feel,
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  Speaker 1: I do think we need to look after the planet better.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm probably not the best at that, but
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  Speaker 1: I certainly try to teach my kids to do little
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  Speaker 1: things like recycle, and and you know, I think that
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  Speaker 1: we can all do things a bit better and differently.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm assuming I don't know how you both feel
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 3: I just find it wonderful. You know, how the the
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  Speaker 3: top two percent of the world's income earn income countries,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like all of the European countries and whatnot,
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  Speaker 3: can built the other ninety eight percent around the ears
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  Speaker 3: about how they've got to live their lives. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they've all got magnificently wealthy from industrialization and the like,
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  Speaker 3: and yet in third world countries, no one seems to
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  Speaker 3: give us stuff about them. We all know the bigger
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  Speaker 3: mid is of China and India and and the US.
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  Speaker 3: The chances are getting China and India to commit to
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  Speaker 3: zero emissions by twenty fifty or whatever is a complete joke,
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  Speaker 3: and people just don't understand the reality of life in
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  Speaker 3: those places.
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  Speaker 1: Suddenly, I suppose that the rest of it's just kind
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  Speaker 1: of you know, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Worry, of course, No, No, the reality is we actually
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  Speaker 3: have to do things to clean up our environment, exactly
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  Speaker 3: like you say. We can do a whole lot better,
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  Speaker 3: but flogging the hell out of our economy and sinking
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  Speaker 3: Australian jobs and that sort of stuff is no way
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  Speaker 3: of changing the world. The reality is we have some
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  Speaker 3: of the best regulations in the world around mining, gas extraction,
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  Speaker 3: all of those sort of things. The world still needs
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  Speaker 3: our products and we should be doing everything we can
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  Speaker 3: to supply the world, particularly those third world countries that
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  Speaker 3: desperately need energy, that desperately need food and all of
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  Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. Australia exports more than eighty percent
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  Speaker 3: of its food crop. You know, eighty percent of our
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  Speaker 3: food crop goes overseas. We're never going to go hungry
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  Speaker 3: in Australia. But you know the way these catastrophists and
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  Speaker 3: fretters are going you know the next cab off the
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  Speaker 3: rank is the agricultural industry. They start to try and
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  Speaker 3: shut that down. So you know, it's all it's all nuts.
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  Speaker 3: And if anybody's really interested in reducing these emissions, they
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  Speaker 3: should look at where they're produced, which is those big
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  Speaker 3: emitting countries. Australia produces five eighths of stuff. All.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we've all been in a global village.
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  Speaker 2: We've all got to do our bit but we're all
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  Speaker 2: in it together.
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  Speaker 3: We're all going to start fretting.
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  Speaker 4: But trans like getting towards renewables quicker, and like we're
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  Speaker 4: still it's a bit like vaccines, Like other countries are
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  Speaker 4: just getting on with doing it, and like the Northern
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  Speaker 4: European or even the European countries are so far in
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  Speaker 4: front of us on renewable energy it's ridiculous. And even
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  Speaker 4: China and places like China that are big admitters, they
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  Speaker 4: still have got a lot of renewable energy.
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  Speaker 3: The fact tho the greatest us as of renewable energy
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  Speaker 3: in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're still debating. We're still in this debate.
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  Speaker 4: Like you've just had Barnaby Joyce and we'll watch it
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  Speaker 4: play out in the federal election next year. You will
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  Speaker 4: have Barnaby in the regions ramping up that if we
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  Speaker 4: close coal minds, people are going to lose their livelihoods,
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  Speaker 4: and he will be out there doing his flat earth
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  Speaker 4: and in the city they'll have Morrison will be going
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  Speaker 4: on about the importance.
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  Speaker 2: Of transitioning to renewable energy.
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  Speaker 4: So they bounce off each other and Barnaby just has
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  Speaker 4: to bring twenty two seats in Morrison will get the
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  Speaker 4: other fifty four and they will get re elected.
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  Speaker 2: That's what in their own minds, that's what they'll be thinking.
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  Speaker 4: So Australia, I think we need to be a leader
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  Speaker 4: in the world and we need to continue to work
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  Speaker 4: with the other nations to get you know, continue to
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  Speaker 4: improve in our renewable energy and get there quicker.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the reality is Australia is a leader in the world.
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  Speaker 3: We are leading in renewable energy. We're one of the
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  Speaker 3: very few countries in the world that met our Kyoto targets.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: And yet we constantly belt ourselves over the head about
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: issues that are pretty well out of our control. Like
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I say, the biggest emitters in the world of China, India, Russia,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: the US. But instead of barking up that tree, they
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: want to they want to penalize Australian industry even more.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: It's just it's unholy, and well it is. It's completely wrong.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard him say unholy before.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It's little bit of religious.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: It's never ceases to amaze, does it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Unholy You're talking about.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: One of the things I talk about.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: All get a vaccine, Get vaccinated. I'm not coming into
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: this studio again until at least I will.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Get vaccinated, but I'm not going to take a damn
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: photo of myself getting vaccinated. Didn't actually in the community,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: actually get you. I'm gonna photo on me.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I'll send it to you. But like you used to
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: have Donald Arnold Schwartznagger.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Back in the.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Back in the nightties, you would have got your shop
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: arms now.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: It's just been a really holy experience. See you back
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: again next week. Always a pleasure.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Never you're listening to Mix one O four point nine
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: is three point sixty.
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  Speaker 5: That was the big issues