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🐚 RH of Rhode Island Reunion Part 2 Final Recap: Brian Exposed, Rulla Cornered, Alicia vs. Billy & Kelsey’s Messy “Agreements” · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Drama Darling, Drama, Darling Drama Darling. Hello everybody, welcome back
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: in It's Drama Darling. We are talking the Real Housewives
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  Speaker 1: of Rhode Island reunion to and final reunion. How sad.
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  Speaker 1: So much that should have been and could have been
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  Speaker 1: discussed had there been a third but we all have
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: to accept what the Bravo gods give us. Joining me
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  Speaker 1: is Emily deresis ready to dive in high ams.
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  Speaker 2: Totally ready and rejuvenated on my Joe Ellen fandom.
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  Speaker 1: Oh good, Okay, yes, well, I am excited to discuss
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  Speaker 1: all of what will be poor Rula. So at the end,
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: I just here's what I think is going to happen.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: I think she is just doing everything she can to
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  Speaker 1: just get through this first season with all of this
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  Speaker 1: being exposed on camera. I think she has plans to
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: leave him as of right now, like I think she's
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: going to have a long term plan. She's staying with
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: him right now for the kids. And I think she
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: is savvy when it comes to money. She clearly showed
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  Speaker 1: that portion of like a little sneak peek into her
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  Speaker 1: financial intelligence and that she and Brian both have prenups.
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  Speaker 1: And I think she's going to get out. It's going
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  Speaker 1: to take a couple seasons, and that's fine, but this
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  Speaker 1: is her survival path and I think that it's the
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  Speaker 1: best that she can do. And it was really shocking,
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  Speaker 1: as if we weren't shocked enough at what an idiot
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  Speaker 1: Brian is that at the union there was more information
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  Speaker 1: to be given that Rula didn't know. And this guy
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: thinks that he is going to be able to not
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  Speaker 1: have it come to light, knowing that Joellen already has
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  Speaker 1: all the cards, has had all the cards to begin with,
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  Speaker 1: has all of the receipts coming to her from a
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  Speaker 1: direct contact with the mistress. So for him to even
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: think that he just really is such a narcissist. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't think that any of this stuff is going to
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  Speaker 1: catch up with him. So when, oh my god, when
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  Speaker 1: Joellen said October, oh that's when it ended. Okay, then
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: why are you sending her your pictures of your son
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  Speaker 1: and your son's Christmas list? And Rula's face was so shocked,
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: and I was so sad and so horrified for her
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  Speaker 1: that I almost felt I just was like this fucking guy.
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  Speaker 1: And then and she has to be humiliated again on
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  Speaker 1: television because of this fucking guy who's sitting there with
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  Speaker 1: an NDA excuse which I'm sure was a plan with
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  Speaker 1: the mistress. Okay, how about you don't I don't know
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  Speaker 1: whether or not that's a real lawsuit or a cover
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  Speaker 1: up lawsuit. It could be both. It could be one
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  Speaker 1: or the other, but sure is convenient that he's saying
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  Speaker 1: you can't talk about anything because the NDA. It sounds
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  Speaker 1: to me like they cooked it up him and this
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  Speaker 1: mistress cooked up Why don't you as sue me? So
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  Speaker 1: that all I have to say is NDS. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: believe that there's a lawsuit. I just don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's one hundred percent like real or if it's something
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  Speaker 1: that they cooked up, because I can't you can't trust
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  Speaker 1: this guy for anything. It sounded like there was a
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit about the partnership and now they've now stepped back
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  Speaker 1: from that, but then there's still an NDA based on
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  Speaker 1: maybe another law I would not be surprised one bet
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  Speaker 1: if the mistress and he like he divorces Rula before
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  Speaker 1: she even has a chance to divorce him. He goes
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  Speaker 1: off with the mistress and then they co own this
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  Speaker 1: business together and then have a whole life like that
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  Speaker 1: would not surprise me one bit.
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  Speaker 2: Here's where I have a hard time with Rula in
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  Speaker 2: this It's that she is trying to bond with Brian,
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  Speaker 2: overtaking Joellen down, and all Joellen is doing at this
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  Speaker 2: point is trying to be like, I'm not a liar,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a girl's girl anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Rula.
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  Speaker 2: I try to have your back, but now I'm just
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  Speaker 2: saving my ass and putting everything out there, including that
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  Speaker 2: Brian allegedly probably had a hand in getting me fired,
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  Speaker 2: Like I can't even tell you watching this reunion, especially
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  Speaker 2: and seeing him sit there and knowing he was sabotaging
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  Speaker 2: my livelihood. If I'm Joeellen and these two are coming
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  Speaker 2: at me telling me I'm alike, oh, I wouldn't sleep well.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Rula's not calling her a liar anymore,
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  Speaker 1: Yes she is.
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  Speaker 2: She's saying it's everything that Joellen presented before Brian came
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  Speaker 2: out and when he was there. She's going around saying
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  Speaker 2: it's that's not real. I don't know. I can't even
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  Speaker 2: speak to that, but it's probably fake. You're it's fake,
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  Speaker 2: You're it's you know, doctor Like, So if I'm Joellen,
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  Speaker 2: I'm now in a totally different zone, and I'm laser
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  Speaker 2: focused on taking Brian down.
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  Speaker 1: I just, well, I don't know why you have such
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  Speaker 1: a problem with Rula. She is really the victim here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean like she is being because goured from all sides,
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  Speaker 1: and she's doing the best she can do in this situation.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, at this point, I don't see her calling
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  Speaker 1: joel and a liar. I just see her doing the
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  Speaker 1: best she can to gather the information. She's listening to
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  Speaker 1: what she's saying, and she's even saying things like when
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: Joelan said did you know that? And she's like, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know that. She's not like fighting with her this
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  Speaker 1: whole second episode, she wasn't fighting with her anymore. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: she was taking in this information like holy shit, this
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  Speaker 1: is a lot more than I even thought. And as
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  Speaker 1: they were talking at the end, she this is.
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  Speaker 2: Her mo like she will say, wow, I didn't I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know this, and then she'll kind of be like, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: do you want to speak to this, and then Brian
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  Speaker 2: will speak to it. Yeah, and then they both go
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  Speaker 2: after Joellen. We just didn't get the going both after
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  Speaker 2: her again.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, because I think that now Rula is getting
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  Speaker 1: even more information than she even thought was there because
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  Speaker 1: now new information has been presented by Joellen, right exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And I kind of like when Rula was like, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that, Brian, you know, she batted it
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  Speaker 1: over to him, like this is not on me, this
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  Speaker 1: is you're here, now you speak on this. It's an NDA.
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  Speaker 1: Oh can't talk on it. It's an NDA. You know.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, the fact that we have all this
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  Speaker 1: information and it's getting like just blasted in their faces
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  Speaker 1: is a wild thing to watch on reality television to
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  Speaker 1: see the holes in his lies. And now he's just
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  Speaker 1: saying I can't speak on it. It's like pleading the
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  Speaker 1: fifth oh. And then also he's like, oh, that case
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  Speaker 1: was dismissed, so I can't speak on it. And then
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  Speaker 1: he's like, so if it's dismissed, why can't you speak
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  Speaker 1: on it. He's such a scumbag. And I think at
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: some point down the line, you know, Rula and Joellen
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  Speaker 1: will come to terms with each other and have apologies.
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I really I believe that. I think like
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: Joe that yeah, at the end, she did have regrets
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  Speaker 1: about the way that she dealt with it. And you know,
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate that too. It's it's a messy situation,
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: you know, like she's kind of backed into a corner
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  Speaker 1: and so she's defending her livelihood. But at the same time, Rula,
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: I think she made it pretty clear, at least in
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: this episode, as she said to Joellen, it's not that
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  Speaker 1: you're bringing me information. I don't have a problem with that.
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  Speaker 1: She even said, I don't blame you for that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: I'm blaming you for basically saying like enough is enough.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want you to bring me this information because
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  Speaker 1: this is humiliating for me as well as it being
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  Speaker 1: on camera. So please, like stop bringing me this information,
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  Speaker 1: is what she was asking her to do.
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  Speaker 2: I guess where I have my this is my problem
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  Speaker 2: with Rola. You can't say that. And then in the downtime,
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  Speaker 2: come after Joellen for bringing you information, Like if Joellen's
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: not presenting you know what I mean. It feels like
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  Speaker 2: when there's when Joellen, not just at the reunion, but
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  Speaker 2: this season, when Joe Ellen isn't doing something like that
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  Speaker 2: rule is just attacking Joellen. She uses that downtime to
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: go after Joellen's character and so like what you know, Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: Joellen is sitting on a mountain of receipts. So at
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  Speaker 2: what point does she bring those out? I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 2: You bring those out before you come to the reunion couch, Rosie,
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  Speaker 2: you bring out those receipts with you when you come
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  Speaker 2: to the reunion couch.
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  Speaker 1: Because Rosie that beautiful suitcase of which we've never seen
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: a suitcase before, like it was, it was next level.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's too bad because I think she
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  Speaker 1: was too embarrassed. It's like how my daughter like when
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  Speaker 1: they have them days at school. My daughter gets really
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: excited about him, and then she'll like dress up if
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  Speaker 1: she's if she's interested, and then she'll get there and
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: the second that we pull up, she starts taking off,
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  Speaker 1: like the hat or the accessories, and she starts hiding them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see anybody else wearing pajamas. I don't see
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  Speaker 1: anyone else wearing Disney. I don't see anybody else doing Princess.
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  Speaker 1: I don't, and I'm like, it's okay, it's okay. I
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  Speaker 1: do see some people. She panics and then she goes
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  Speaker 1: into school like with barely her costume, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know if she ends up putting it on. I
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  Speaker 1: think sometimes she does or whatever once she sees people.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that's what happened to Rosie is that
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  Speaker 1: she's like, this is too much. I can't bring this
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  Speaker 1: out when it could have been pretty epic, you know,
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: pulling out a suitcase from behind the reunion couch would
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: have been amazing. And she said she had a binder
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: in the suitcase. So then there's that as well. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: what was it that she was going to bring out?
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  Speaker 1: Oh about the five thousand square foot house or the
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: eight thousand thing was? What were her receipts anything?
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: So why she got why? I think the emails between
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: her and her former employer about getting fired oh yeah,
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: versus medical leave, that was crazy. Yeah, I mean I
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: do think that she had valid things, especially in that
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: about the medical leave thing to talk about. Yeah.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't understand why she's getting so skewed for that,
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: Like she has been very transparent and pretty open about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're gonna lie about medical eve, bleeding out
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  Speaker 2: your butthole is a pretty intense thing to lie about.
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  Speaker 1: If she I don't think she lied about it. I
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  Speaker 1: think that she put like the shock value of it
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: should shut people down from asking any more questions, but
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: not the housewives. No, no, no, that's what Brian needs to do.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't having an affair un rule, I was bleeding
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  Speaker 2: out my butthole.
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything that these housewives won't touch.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: Like they think that they're putting up a speed bump
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  Speaker 1: or like a do not enter under construction sign do
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  Speaker 1: not pass, and they move it right aside and they
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: go like there's nothing that's going to stop people. So
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: her losing or her leaving her job based on her
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: being involved with someone at the company and stuff like
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  Speaker 1: that was I didn't see the value of pinning her
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  Speaker 1: to something like that because it could never be validated
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  Speaker 1: or confirmed on any level, Like it was so vague
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  Speaker 1: that it was such a waste of time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kelsey really feels like she's grabbing for straws. She
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: feels a little bit, I mean, just like in the
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: current season of Atlanta with Angela Oakley, like pulling shit
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: out a note. Yes, yeah, And it just feels very
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: much like that's what Kelsey's move is with Rosie. It's
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: just a very mean girl. And then when if Rosie
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  Speaker 2: has any proof, like Rosie says that she has emails
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  Speaker 2: saying we're so sorry that you're leaving, like for medical reason,
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: like she has. So what can Kelsey even say to that? Then?
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: Right? Great to hear she had to wake up at
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: two thirty every day for like ten years. You know
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: that that takes a lot of discipline. And it was
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: funny when she was like I just realized I'm pretty
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: sick of waking up. I'd be like, yeah, I mean
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: any of the morning shows, be it radio, TV, everything
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  Speaker 1: like that. I always have such tremendous respect for how
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: early they have to get up when the rest of
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: the world is sleeping. And I only had a very
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: small stint where I experienced that type of early morning
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: when I was working in Detroit on a radio show
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: called Dick Purton and Pertin's People womz classic oldies, and
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: I would do impressions and stuff like that on the show.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: So it was I don't know, maybe a few months,
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: I want to say, like six months to a year
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: sporadically where I would go and do stuff. So, I
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: mean I had to wake I had to be there
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: at like four o'clock. It was so weird, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just the most bizarre feeling. I would not want
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  Speaker 1: to do that on a regular basis. It's hard.
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: No, And did you have to get glam ready?
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: I mean you were not television, so that's I mean
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: I did get like I did do my hair and
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: makeup because I wanted to look nice. Yeah, okay, so
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: I mean I did look good because I didn't show up.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: And also like I didn't know them like that. I
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: mean I wasn't there for two years where I could
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: come in with like a messy bun and you know,
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: right right right. Also, I was single, so I didn't
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: have to worry about like anything else in my life.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: All I had to worry about was me, so I
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: could do that. You know, I was getting plenty of sleep.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: I was doing what I wanted to do. But anyway,
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: I just love these Rhode Island ladies. So the briefcase,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: let's hope it comes out next year.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: I would love it would have that rosy suitcase in
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: the hallway before the museum that it doesn't quite get
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: into the museum.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: That's awesome, Like the green room stuff that's in the
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: green room. I would love that. And then also what
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: I would really like in the museum are the blueprints
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: to her house.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, although she probably doesn't want everybody
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: having pictures of how to like case her house.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: But that's a good point. That's a good point. I
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: thought that the slam about it being the blueprints from
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: the old owners was so funny because it's such like
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: first world problems, like insult, you know. I'm like, oh,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: you have the plans from the old owners. Oh okay,
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: m hm. Meanwhile, Kelsey, like you're you're now now you
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: went from I'm sorry, I'm sorry if this is true,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: but like you went from you know, being taken care
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: of in this house to now bills taking care of
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: you taking care of you in this house. Like did
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: you sell a condo and put money towards buying house,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: so it's a double mortgage. What's your point? She just
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: throws stones that she if they came back to her,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: she would not be able to to defend, and that
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  Speaker 1: this is.
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  Speaker 2: How I see Rula. That's how I see Rula too,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: because I'm just like, you better be ready for that
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: to come back. If you're gonna say these things, be ready,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Kelsey and Rula, Because these gals Rosie and Joellen are efficient,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like they're going to come
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: back with something.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Kelsey is not a victim of betrayal and
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: lies and public humiliation like Rula has been the entire season.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: So it's a different story.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: It is, but I would say neither is Joellen, which
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: she almost could have been another victim of Brian's bullshit,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: but she was like no, I said what I said,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: and this is why I said it.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: But she also took it out on Rula and did
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: not stop when Rula did kindly ask her to at
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: that point, We're just gonna leave it there. We're gonna
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: leave it there. Okay, let's talk about Alicia. So Alisha
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: apparently doesn't she doesn't really like Billy, and that's the
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: vibe I get at this point. I think that she
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't really know like who she is almost and just
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: allowed him to. She said Billy was a stalker and
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: wore her down. And that's how that weird exchange, wasn't it?
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Because Andy's like, he beat you down? And I was like,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: this is this is not ye he's a stalker and
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: he said, so he beat you down? And I know
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: that they were like it was like light but I
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, seeing how he has somebody on the
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: other couch that had to have DV charges, yes, for stalking.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I'm right, this is a little weird.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: It's very odd, and I think, like what's happening with
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Alicia and I would be interested to see what bish
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: therapist has to say about this, But like she's coming
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: into a place where now she's getting acknowledged publicly and
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: widely and being celebrated for her quirky personality and how
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: lovable she is. Right, and I think people supporting her
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: in this way, she's starting to feel a little bit
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: of power to say how she really feels because and
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure if she said this
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: to Billy off camera or in their lives, where she
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: says these kind of backhanded comments to him in public,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I'd be curious if she did. But it seems like
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: it's kind of new, just based on like that reproposal
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: when she was like, you never do stuff like this, Oh,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I see, now you're doing this. You know, these types
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: of things, like she's upset, she's angry, and I get it,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you know I would be too. So it's coming out
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: in these ways where she's starting to dismiss him. She's
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: starting to kind of insult him here and there, and
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: also like too little, too late kind of scenario. I
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: don't even want that. I don't even want the fifty percent.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I don't even find I'll sign this. She's tired. She
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: obviously has some sort of ADHD issue because she certainly
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to or can't focus on any of these
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: emails or meetings or wells.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: That was like a little bit of a redemption for
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: me with Billy because I was like, Oh, he he
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: is trying. I agree, he is trying to be like
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: so trying that he's being so thorough to have meetings
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: of like everything. If he was just blitzing through the
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: kitchen and being like we have X amount of dollars,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I would feel like now he's hiding something, you know
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: what I mean, Like he's having her sit down with
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: the witness the man Sarah, Sarah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I don't have to deal with Sarah.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I was kind of like, this is
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: this is I'm glad we're hearing this because I had
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I had seen where he was spending her housewives money
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: because she made that.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Post and I know.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: He was not happy about it, and so this was
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I'm really glad that they Andy asked.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: About that me too, and I wonder if like, who's
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: to say he would have, you know, moved the needle
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the way that he did in terms of like setting
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: up all the stuff that he has recently, which is well,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: he brought this agreement to the reunion to give her
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: fifty percent of the shares. He'd never done that before,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: like you know, So I think maybe he's lost in
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the sauce too and doesn't want to deal with the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: reality of what they're building together and who they really
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: are together, a real partnership, and he's ignored that and
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: she hasn't pushed him on it because she doesn't understand
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the logistics and is too tired to push for it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: So I think being on TV and then having it
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: be called out, he realizes that this is an issue
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to look like the bad guy.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sure. So he's I think, trying to cover his
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: bases by making sure that she is you know, informed
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: by him, by other people, and by presenting something publicly.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I mean it was news to me. I didn't know
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: this that he used to be a lawyer. I had
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: no idea.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's not to be married or do you
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: think they're going to get married or and do you
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: think they'll stay together or not? Even I think they'll
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: get married, I don't know if they'll stay together.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hmmm, it's so weird, like I can't see it
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: either way. I'm like looking into my you know, my
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: crystal ball, and like I it's weird. I like can't
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: see it anything, Like I can't see anything. I think
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that these agreements are good, but maybe she'll outgrow him
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and she'll just be upset. I mean I could see
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: them like sticking together and not actually getting married, but
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: going into counseling. Like I don't know if I see
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: them getting married.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I think Alicia wants that fairytale wedding and that's why
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I think they'll get married, because of the actual like
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: wedding party and Saramon like that she'll get into. I
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: just don't know what it'll be after that, especially like
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: with Bravo involved, Like I can.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: See that they'll push for it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but I don't know. I don't know. I
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: also don't think that Alicia wants to think about any
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: of the like the the paperwork of anything. So no,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: maybe they will be saying together because that is something
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: he's so good at in her mind.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And I think that's fair. I don't think that. You know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: sometimes people take you know, everybody takes on different hats
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: when you're in a partnership. And there's nothing wrong with
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: him taking care of that and her not knowing as much.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: But what I think she had an issue was it's
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: like her name is not in the house right. That
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: obviously bothers her, probably more than the wedding, you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: like let's get things, let's get our ducks in order,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you know, And he's giving her an agreement for the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: pizza mama, but she's like, put my name on the house,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: because that's how I understand things to be. She has
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: an issue with being homeless. That is her biggest trigger point.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: So if she can't get her name on that house,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: nothing else matters to her. I think that that's the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: most important thing. So when Dilly does that, I don't
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: think she's going to be satisfied with anything.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And U and yeah, you're right, because it's been nine years,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you know, like they aren't married. She's not pushing for
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: a wedding because there are certain things that like she
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: does not have from him and now to your point,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: it's they're on TV and all of a sudden, these
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: things are happening. Yeah, and she's I think she is,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: even though she might not want to get into the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: paperwork of at all. She's pretty smart in a lot
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: of ways. Not in Jones's Fonda, Jane's Fonda.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Jane's Fonda. I can't believe that that's how she. Wait
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: when they did that flashback of like, yeah, my aunt
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: taught me Jane's Fonda and her aunt is in the
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: car drinking out of a fly. Did you see that?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I love that they threw that in there. That was
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: so so good.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: But so Andy didn't correct her once on Jane's Fonda
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: on the couch, because she said it a couple of
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: times on the couch and Andy's like, m hmm.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no I mean, it's like a child you
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: don't want to correct because it's too cute, you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: like you don't for certain things that you don't want
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: to correct your child on when they're like Maddie used
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: to say, for gloves. She used to say gloves with
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a B and we'd be like, oh, yeah, you're you're glubs,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: you know, like I'm not gonna correct that, no way,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: are you kidding me? So, But like the oyster crackers,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: when Andy's like, are you doing? Are you going to
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: make your own cracker? And she's like, I am, oh, really,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: who's doing it? You know? The people who do the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: oyster crackers them. She doesn't have the time or like
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: headspace to know, Like the name of the company. Is
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: it Nabisco? I don't, I don't know like who, but
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so much, them, oyster
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: people them.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I want to I think that's like well with clam
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: chowder and everything. I yeah, that is so perfect.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: It is this. I mean, you couldn't get it any better. Saltines?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Is that Nibisco? I don't know. No, I I almost
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: wonder my cracker brands.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what saltine is,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: but like I wonder too. I was like, oh, I
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: wonder if that's like a oyster cracker. If there's like
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: a local oyster cracker maker and they're like a cup
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of cracker.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Right, it could just be a boutique oyster cracker company,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: not like the main one, or you.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, I love that so much.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Andy and everybody really does give Alicia a
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: lot of advice by saying like, now you're gonna be
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: making a lot more money, and you do need to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: know where it's and what's happening with it. And uh,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she heard that, but it does
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: seem like she's got enough people around her to hopefully
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you know what I heard, God, Teresa, No, I.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Heard, Okay, so Rhode Island's getting a second season and
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Alicia's on it, like that's when I heard.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah oh. And then also
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: at the end, Ashley Rula said something like, well there,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: maybe I couldn't see or I couldn't see who said this.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: There are so many other things that we didn't talk
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: about going on with other people, and Ashley's like, well,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna I'm sure we'll get into that
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: next season or something.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Oh yeahs and were saying that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, because think about it, Like
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Jerry and Liz were out there, nothing came up about
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: them at all except hey, how's Dino. He's great, he's
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: really famous now because he's in trouble. But nothing like
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, we're friends, No big deal, that's that Okay.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I also noticed, and this is I think that Liz
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: was purposely not saying much between I mean, she got
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: a little involved, but not really with Joellen and Rula,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: because I think she was like, I can't have the
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: guns turned on me right now. I legit have like
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: legit federal allegedly issues, so I cannot be involved with this.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I can't have Joel and pulling out my receipts.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: No. And at the end, when everyone was saying like,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: what would you do differently if you would, and Rosie
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: was like, well, I wish I wouldn't have called Kelsey
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a polygamist, and Kelsey was like, I, you know, accept that,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and I would love to hang out off camera. Rula
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: said she would have shut things down harder, although she's
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: not sure if that would have worked. Joe Allen would
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: have changed how she dealt with Rula and have maybe
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: done some things with her off camera, and Liz Leshia
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: said like the SCA on my face, the dog the
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: dog sca and He's like, that's all you but yeah,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and then Liz was like, I would have cared less
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: about more and I would have been I would have
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: just been but had been more pleased with having done
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: less of nothing of forever with by the sea wall
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and stuff. I mean it literally made no less the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: ongoings of less it made no sense really, And to
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: walk away from a season being like I would have
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: cared less, it is so funny to me, and I
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: doubt she would have.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I think she will care just as much next season.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I think she will care just as less next season.
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  Speaker 2: So like in that too, I was thinking, like as
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: they were like wrapping up, I was like, you know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: this also goes to Joeellen. Nobody and the Liz team
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: fucked with Joe Ellen's livelihood or life in that way
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: and Liz. I do think Joellen could have gone pretty
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: hard on Liz but didn't, so I'm like, I'm starting
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: to see what gets how you're how you're going to
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: really move Joellen and like on this show. And I think,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: like we've seen all of her hot buttons hit in
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: season one, and like I'm.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: A little Joellen Joellen, Okay, Well, she had her hands
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: full with the rule of Ryan thing. I don't think
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: there was any other home for her to go for Liz.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: But I think Liz had enough on the table, and
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: like you know, in the first episode of the reunion,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: like you could tell it really upset Joellen how Liz
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: was like denying like the physicality of that argument and
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: that they were friends and all that, and Joellen was like,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: you know, she wasn't trying to of anything to Liz
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: on that, you know, And I don't know if that's
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: because she's terrified of.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Liz, like we are, Yeah exactly. Yeah, I don't know
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: she maybe she did, and they just cut it out
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: because there was so much with Brian and Rula. Debacle
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: of a situation was the entire season, you know, I mean,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: that was really what it is, and so I think
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: that they had to really lean into focusing on that
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: in order to make the storyline come all the way
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: through to the end and and just kind of stick
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: with that. So if there was some stuff happening, scenes
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: that happened between Liz and Joellen, maybe we just didn't
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: see those, which.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: On the reunion generally, well we did though they had
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: the whole fight at the Kappa or whatever.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: No, I mean more like more Oh yeah, you're saying,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you're saying like after that, you're saying she could have
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: gone for her more because of the physicality and stuff
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: like that. And so what I'm saying is there could
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: have been more scenes where they did talk about it,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: or Joellen's talking about it to other people or in
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: her confessional, but they did show it because there wasn't
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: time to go down that path and it wasn't as spicy. Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think like two episodes was really good.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I could have had a third for sure, of a reunion,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I could have, but it was I think well done. Editors.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the men, you know, she's Louise. After they went
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: back there at the end and Jared and all the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: guys are like saying to Brian, you know, Jared's like
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you have to tell her everything, Like you can't like
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: come to Audrey's sit down, like, I'll get you ice
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: machines working. I'll get you some ice lot and you, guys,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: you tell her everything that you haven't told her because
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: this cannot keep going on. And then Sinatra guy was like,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: you know what, it says a lot about you come
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: in here and face his head on And I'm like, uh,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: does it or just does it mean that this guy
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: is a fucking idiot and a narcissist that he doesn't care.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: It's just nothing to him to show up to something
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: like this because he's so disrespectful and delusional and thinks
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: he can get away with everything. Because I'm thinking, like
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: an actual regular person who cares, that would be hard
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: for him, not so much, you know what I mean.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know the fucking game he's running and what
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: he gets off on. That's the thing that's driving me
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: crazy because you're watching his face and it doesn't shift,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: it doesn't change, you know, like the Jersey Husbands when
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: they get called out, there's emotion, there's something going on
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: behind the eyes. Yeah, there's not like it's just like
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: blank except for to be like, you know, he's so
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: chill in his lie. I can see where Rula. I mean,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I get why she's believing, because it's like he's not
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: defensive in any real way. He's just like it's it's
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: it's you know, she altered it. It's photoshopped, it's anybody
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: can do it, put a time stamp on.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: You know what. It's just like, no, there's no emotion. Yeah, yeah,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: it sands emotion. So it's like sometimes when people are like,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: are you kidd I can't believe you're even asking me this,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: that's when you know someone's really lying because they're just
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: being so defensive and they're turning it back on that person.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: But with him, his whole situation isn't like that. He's
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: just like gaslighting her in a very subtle, brush you
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: off kind of way, and she's buying it.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he must really, I mean, because this is
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: a pattern clearly, like that de worst timeline that they
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: pulled up on my oh god, like she had the
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: docket there, like I couldn't believe it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Wild. Yeah, when Joel admitted that it was twenty twelve
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that he he said that he was divorced when she
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: thought it was twenty ten, and then the docket or
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: whatever the filing was, it said too.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And I think that was like the website, you know
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: what I mean, like search it up yourself. This is
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: not an altered picture I have on my phone anymore,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Like go look it up. And then are they married?
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Like because you can't. I don't think you can be
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: married like in most states to two people.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know what she rula was she did
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: everything she could to keep it at bay by saying like,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: this is none of your business. This is none of
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: your business. I don't want to you know, no, no, no,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: And then she finally was like, fine, you know twenty ten,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that's when he got divorced. When did you get married
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen? So at this point when she says we
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: did get married, like we were blessed, did you did
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you hear that part where she said like they blessed us?
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, interesting, did she just say
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: basically what is the truth, which is that they didn't
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: actually get married, but they were just blessed.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: And I think we were blessed by a Catholic priest.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: But then I'm like, I don't know the Catholic church
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: and marriage stuff. So then I was like, you know,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: is it something like where you know they had cause
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: he's divorced. I don't know. But then I'm like, well,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: her families really can, like aren't they super like they
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: they don't believe in divorce or something like that. She yeah,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: so she's already divorced and that's why she's trying to
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: like keep this thing together. Anyway, Rula and Brian picked
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: a bad time in your lives to be on reality TV.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I just don't know what you want us to do, Like, yeah,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: what do you want us to do with this information?
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Like so when okay, so Andy did ask him that,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: like why would you choose? Did he ask Brian that?
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Or did he ask both of them that?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Was he addressed?
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Didn't?
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I felt like he was just asking Brian, why would
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: you come on this show? And you've had an active
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: affair going, right? And I think Brian said I can't
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: answer that, right, So okay, fine. He thought he would
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: be able to get away with it. This is typical,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: like I don't know what covert narcissist. I don't know, guys,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: you tell me for whatever his reasons were to go
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: on the show. But now for her, why did she
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: go on this show? Is a different in question. So
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: my question would be did she know when she signed
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: on to this that he was having an affair because
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: and I would argue.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Had the timeline of that, because she's like, we were going
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: to be filming and she had that.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she did know that they had an affair,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: but she just thought it was over. Yes.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I really believe Rula is in such a trance from
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Brian that she does, literally to her core, believe everything
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: he says. So I don't. I mean, I might argue
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: that that is not a good idea, but that is
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I believe that that is what she's not like. And
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: then I think she's trying to cover up for Brian
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: until she gets him in a quiet room where he
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: can reconvince.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Her that he's correct, or in a room with other
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: housewives who can defend her, and he's got to answer
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to them instead of her. I felt like she did
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: feel safe and felt the support of other people at
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: times when they were asking questions and she was like,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that ask him for a second. There.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I felt a little bit of empowerment on her behalf
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: when she was feeling like, I don't have to answer
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to this. He's got to answer for himself, and I
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: don't have to be the fucking, you know, guard dog
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: that has to be the one protecting him. At least
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not asking these questions right now, And I really
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: appreciated that for her. I wanted her to have more
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: of that, and I wish he would have just answered,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: but at least we've got more information, and I appreciated that.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: At the end, she was like, well, Rosie the way
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: that Rosie was like, well, what are you gonna do?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Like what if you know? And she's like, he's just
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: he's an idiot. She's she's crazy, which obviously that's just
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: an excuse that that's what she is telling Yeah, she's
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: telling her that she's crazy.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Former partner when he said that, like.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I was like, former partner meaning
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: like you know, love love interest partner. But then I
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I think he was actually
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: saying business partner because he made her part owner, so
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: he tried to keep it professional. But at first I
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: thought the same thing. I was like, oh my god,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: like I can't even said that. It is it is.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: It's like you're cheating on me, but you that's bad.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: But like, now you have an actual other dog with
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: this person. That's even worse, you know, like when it
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: comes to that and he made her that business partner,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: he fucking made her a co owner of that business.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: That's why, like his whole he's the type of guy
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: that would literally move to another country, leave Roula with
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: like nothing, and go with a mistress to another country
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and never be heard from again. Like I can completely
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: see him doing.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: That one thousand percent. And that mistress's name Joe ellen
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Mark my words.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna write that down. So if Rula
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't divorce him, he's going to do something first. And really,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: at this point, the steaks are higher for him because
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: now he's exposed and he looks like an idiot. So
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: what's a way that he can gain back his power?
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Not be in this situation again and cut and run.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: He's done it before. This Spanish teacher situation is wild.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Say that. I was like, we need to hear from
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the Spanish teacher. No, Alicia, make that happen on the beach.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Had the Spanish teacher run up to you?
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, have the Spanish teacher run up or like where
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: is she living? Like maybe go there on a cast
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: trip and go to that beach. But he cheated like,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: he's not going to change. This is this is him.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is him, this is him.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: More information will continue to come out, over and over
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and over again. There's plenty more. There's plenty more stones
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: that have not been unturned.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Joellen needs to have a podcast like a just a
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: docuseries just on the receipts she has on Brian and
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I would listen to every episode of her, like Ceial
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Side episode. Dear NPR please do a series of Cereal
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: with the receipts Joellen has on Brian, Thank you, include
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: the Spanish nature.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I don't like Joellen. I am not a fan of
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: hers great TV, but I do not like. I don't
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: think that she has any empathy, and that kind of
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: scares me. I'm not gonna lie.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Oh when she was called you're being psychotic and she
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: was like.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Oh thank you. Oh yeah, yeah. I think that she
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: might be. I don't know. I don't want to I
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: don't want to label it, but I think think that like,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: and it's not her fault. I think that her circumstances,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: her environment maybe created her, you know, these issues, But
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I do not think that that's why I have more
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: empathy towards Rula in this situation. I know you don't,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: but I think.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: That she empathy.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, but I think that she just doesn't
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: have it. I don't think she has the empathy that
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: would have been needed. Like it's all facts. She could
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: be she could have been anybody off the street dealing
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: with the situation, but she knew her and you know,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: so her bedside manner I think could be improved, I guess,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Anyway, you know what it is like we didn't see
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the initial conversation that the very first conversation was off
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: camera where Joeoellen mentions Tarula about this affair, because really
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: we're brought in after that as the audience. We were
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: brought in at Liza's party to kind of see it
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: all unfolding in that way with Brian, and so it
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: is a little hard to know like how this all
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: went down. Like I think that whatever we saw happen
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: on camera maybe had had you know, it had been
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: going for a minute, and Joeellen was in control of
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: this ball of fire and Rula really was in the
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: passenger seat on the whole thing, like she had to
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: just go with it. And I do feel bad because
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: that it seems impossible your first year of television on
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: reality TV, all of it in front of everybody, and
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: now you're dealing with it. But I will say, if
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: it wasn't Joe Ellen, it would have been anybody else
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: because the producers had to be hearing about this. The
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: mistress was posting online, so somebody was going to be
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: presenting this information over and over. It wasn't gonna be Alicia,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: but it was gonna get pushed. So I also wonder
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: how much I mean, Joellen was certainly motivated to push it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I also wonder like if it was all so gonna
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: be Kelsey, maybe you know, anybody else that would have
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: been like oh, to.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: A certain degree, but they wouldn't have gone, you know,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: gone the distance the way that Joellen did. Because Joellen
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: this is what she like. She's passionate about this type
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: of stuff. I mean, I think she'd be a great
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: detective or you know, an investigator. I think she'd be
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: a great attorney. I think that she would kill it
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: as an attorney, and that this is like part of
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: her character, you know what I'm saying. Like she you
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: could tell she's passionate. She kind of gets off on
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: like no, this, this, this, this just pounding, pounding, pounding,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: when if you were to flip it, you know, how
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: would you handle it as that person? And that's what
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the that's the piece that she's missing, And that's why
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I said that I don't I don't think that she
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: has the empathy. But a lot of housewives don't have empathy,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: which is why they're housewives because.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to have out with them issues.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: No one on this cast has prenups except for Rula,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: which I thought was very interesting.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Well, Rula and Brian got married later in terms of
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: or money.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Wise, right, yeah, well.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so does that prenup even matter?
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know how that works.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't understand how that would.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Work, because then, yeah, that would be like a state
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: law kind of sore through and you could get an
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Lauria to argue, well, she was under the impression that
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: this contract started at this time. But it sounds like
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: to your point like maybe it wasn't. Maybe she knows
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: they're not married or weren't married. Gosh, it's messy.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I know. But there's got to be like information online
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: right now, Like there's gotta be something up there Darlin's yeah, yeah, Kelsey,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: you know these Okay, I'm sorry, but her argument for
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: not being an escort, really it kind of backfired. I'm sorry.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing. If she was an escort, and like,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: isn't that just okay? Like why can't you just be
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: an escort? Like maybe you're not like having sex with
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: these people, but maybe you're just going out with men
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: as an escort to certain events and you're getting paid
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: for it, right, what is exactly is wrong with that?
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: So when she says that there were these fake pages
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: of her that somebody created, that it was an actual
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: escort in Boston that created these pages of her, that
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: she was hanging out with the same group of people
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: that this escort was hanging out with.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: So well, and then I'm so glad. Andy said, well,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: is it possible that this was somebody that was involved
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: with your ex?
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: No, No, not even a chance. I'm like take the offer,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, take the w on that and
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: say maybe you know instead, like she said no, but
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I think she must just be trying to protect him
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: in that. But like here you are. Now, now you've
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: connected your own self with a group of people who
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: hang out with another escort. Wouldn't that make it more
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: available and easy for you to maybe have gone and
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: done one escort job? Is that what it is? Why
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: would this person put pages up of you saying that
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: you're an escort? This is just weird.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: It's weird, And it's also like to, yeah to what
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: you're saying, just say you did it, Like we're going
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: to figure it out. Somebody's going to drill down on
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: this and it's going to be out there, Kelsey, So
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: just you know, if you did it, you did it,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: like you can't hide.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. Am I wrong by saying like
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: it's very possible that she was just by saying like
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: this story about being connected in a group of people
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: where there was an escort. I mean, look, just because
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: you hang out with lawyers doesn't mean you're a lawyer.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: But I guess what I'm trying to say is it's
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: just like it's a little odd.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: It's really odd someone would create like a fake website
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: or just like to It's just the whole thing is
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: just off. But I mean, I'll give her the benefit
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: of the doubt, but like she would never give Rosie
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: that benefit of the doubt. No, there was a site
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: like that with Rosie, like it would be game over.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Oh it would one hundred.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Well, you know that's another thing with like that was
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: with the Rule of Brian, Joel and Thing. In episode
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: one of the reunion, Joeln had nothing on Rosie and
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: she kind of came for her and she's like, well,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I talked to a cop and it was like, it's
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: just so funny that she was so prepared on the
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Rule of Thing and everything else was just like the
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: telephone game, Right, all of Kelsey's stuff is the telephone game.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all of it.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: These these gals, I love every.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: One of them. They're grave us dynamite.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of like polygamous accusations in this series,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: which is so odd considering that we're not even in Utah.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: This isn't you know, secret lives of Mormon wives, and
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: yet we're throwing around polygamous like it is.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Well, and the irony is that now it looks like
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Brian is maybe like the closest to it, and that
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: wasn't even the intent.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Right, No, it sure wasn't. It sure wasn't. Oh one
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: more thing about Kelsey. So I think Andy's question was
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: something like, so you had an agreement with your ex
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: that you would be together and he would have an
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: open ended situation. And she's like, no, we never had
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: an agreement, but I did have an agreement with the
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: other woman. That was so weird, right, They like she
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: found out about this Miami girl, not Tom Sandoval's Miami girl,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: but but like, yeah, we'll have to save that for news.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: But then was like, we decided we found out about
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: each other, got together, had a mutual agreement, and then
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: decided not to post photos of each other of our
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: relationships online.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: This is what I love about Kelsey. She came in like, yeah,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: I got a wild agreement going on, and I live
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: here and guess what, I've been set up because this
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: is my boyfriend six months a year. Like, I just
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: love that she owned it so hard.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I now.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Have follow up questions like America does. And I feel
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: like she's just like I talked to the girl. I'm like, whoa, what, Like,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: what's this an understandment?
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: No, this was the first time we heard this, right, Yes, yeah,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: that was.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: It's the first time we heard the breakdown very like
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: because in my mind it was like, I mean, like
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: a Christian gray situation where there's a contract, there's rules,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: there's like that's what I'm thinking right right, and now
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: to find out that it was just like a reconnection
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: in the villa, it was like, well, everybody's cool and
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: we're all just kicking in the makeup room together. Now,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: like what is going.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I need to do everything now, I know, I know.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I think Kelsey is sitting in a position where she
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: knows that she has to be on defense, and so
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: everything coming out of her mouth is just distraction from
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: what's you know that That's the vibe I'm getting by
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: the end of the season is that Kelsey is not
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: transparent and she's just throwing a lot of like, you know,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: little firecrackers to get people's attention and their places so
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: as to distract from like whatever this situation was. Even
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: though that's how she got on the show, she's trying
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: to control it in a way, and it's just like
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: very messy.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, because when she said all those things, she
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: had no idea what was coming in terms of this show. Now,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: she might be more guarded, she might not want to
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: talk about things I.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Do like that the ex watched Housewives. Oh but he
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: was going to be on the show. Yeah, before he
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: found out it was Housewives. And I'm like, well, what
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: show did you actually think it would be? That you
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: were willing to put your entire face out there? And
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: then now that it's Housewives, you you don't want to
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: be on it at all because you don't think that
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: you'll be talked about. And this whole season her storyline
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: was about him.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was all I thought about, was like that.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Remember when Heather Gate in her book, she said that
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: they didn't know it was going to be Housewives until
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden was Yeah. So I'm kind of like, well,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: do they film with this guy? Yeah?
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: They did.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: They said that he filmed, Like I mean, is I
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: guess like I'm wondering, like, is he edited out of things? Oh?
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see. I don't think that they filmed with
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the cast. I think that she and him filmed scenes.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if they approached her and him about
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: like their situation right and told them that it was
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: going to be about having like living in an arrangement
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: where it's a throuple sort of situation, or he is
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: that it's more centered on him, that he's got these
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: two gals that he goes in between, that sounds to
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: me like that would be a reality show, and that
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: that would be something that like they would be featuring
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: several different threples that how they or like you need
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: non open relationships, yeah, non conventional relationships that exist. And
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: then he was like, oh, I'm down with that, okay.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: But then once it got to like it being housewives,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: like you couldn't have asked for a better show, Like
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: why would you not be involved?
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Weird, Yeah, very weird.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that was prior to Dolores's involvement, Like
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: once they realized it was going to be housewives, that's
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: when she got involved.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Also, I'd like that Rosie was like, I think control
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Dolores's being like her on the show.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, I wonder what that was all about.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Something tells me that, like maybe Rosie said something like
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: why do we need We don't need Dolores on this.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: We've got this ourselves, Like she made a comment like that,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: which I mean, I don't blame her, like you don't
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: need another housewife to get your show going, but it's
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: just good media. But I think she probably said something
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit shady about that. That was kind of
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: a throwaway, and then it got back to somebody and
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: people are talking, Oh, she doesn't want to film with Flora.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: She doesn't think we need it. We're better than that.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I would think at that point Rosie would have
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: no idea that the show is going to be what
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: it was. I mean, I heard about this show, I
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: was like, Okay, well I'll watch it. I had no
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: idea how amazing it was going to be. I was like,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: they absolutely will need the Laurs. I would think Rosie
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: would be grateful for her.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well Rosie must have known what they had. Yeah,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: there you go.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Well, the last thing I just want to mention was
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Andy repeating the pageant announcement of Kelsey announcing her to
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: the stage like it's not a rumor they got her tumor,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Like that's insane, and that she put off the surgery
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: so she could do the pageant. Well I'm like, well, look,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: if it was like a couple of days, if it
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: was like a couple of weeks, I mean maybe i'd
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: do that too. You know, what do you I do? Yeah,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I totally agree.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. My favorite moment of the whole thing was when
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: they were. Jared leaned over when they were talking about
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: garlic butt and he was like, I gotta be honest,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: and I was like, you fucking love Rhode Island. Say it.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I love Rhode Island, ass no matter how it smells.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: I gotta be honest. Here it comes.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: That was really awful, like the Joe Allen said that,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Oh god, that was awful. That was awful. That was
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: not great. It was Emily that was nasty. That was
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: nasty and uncalled for, but no one was saying anything.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: For saying the truth. No, it was terrible. Yeah, it
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: was bad, all right, it goes in with the bad breath.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: I forget what was that recently? Oh yeah, the on Potomac.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I put that in with like I don't want to TV.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: This medium has no odors, so I don't want to
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: talk about odors. No, gootdy odors.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: No. Thank you, and we'll leave it there. Thank you
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: so much for listening. Bye for now, guys, Bye bye.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: By Drama Darling.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Drama Darling