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5-year-old tot girl shot dead in suburban home. HELP CATCH ITALIA'S KILLER! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I remember when my children
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Speaker 1: and my twins were five years old, and one of
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Speaker 1: the greatest joys is when I had them at home.
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Speaker 1: I knew they were safe and sound and I was
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Speaker 1: there to protect them. Well, that is what one Summerville,
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Speaker 1: South Carolina mom thought, Veronica Graham, But that wasn't true.
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Speaker 1: Her little girl, beautiful Italia, shot dead in her own home.
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Speaker 1: Why beautiful Italia shot dead in her own home? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I see, Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven. Think about it, as I used to tell
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Speaker 1: my juries. Don't turn away because it's distasteful or it
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Speaker 1: it hurts your heart or hurts your feelings, maybe make
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Speaker 1: you sick at your stomach. Don't turn away from the truth.
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Speaker 1: We cannot afford to turn away from what is happening.
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Speaker 1: And the truth is look at this little girl. Have
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Speaker 1: you ever seen anything more innocent, more beautiful than this
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Speaker 1: little girl. I'm looking at her right now. She's sitting
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Speaker 1: on her sofa. I think her little T shirt says
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Speaker 1: a door and she's beautiful in every way. Why does
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Speaker 1: this little innocent five year old girl have to die
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Speaker 1: and in her own home. First of all, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Dave mac Crime online. Five year old Italia
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Speaker 1: Lamellie Graham is playing inside her home with her brothers
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Speaker 1: and sisters. It's a Friday night in Somerville, South Carolina,
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Speaker 1: in the Evergreen subdivision. Children play outside during the day
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Speaker 1: and many neighbors talk about Italia riding her bike and
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Speaker 1: how she likes my Little Pony and the superhero Ladybug.
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Speaker 1: She's a bright little girl with a big smile. But
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Speaker 1: now she's playing inside with her brothers and sisters. And
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Speaker 1: it's just before ten pm when shots ring out in
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Speaker 1: the Evergreen subdivision, not from inside a home, but outside
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Speaker 1: in the street. The noise is loud enough that Somerville
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Speaker 1: police officers here seven or eight shots as they patrol nearby.
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Speaker 1: As the officers head to where they hear the shots
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Speaker 1: coming from, a call comes out on the radio to
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Speaker 1: head to one hundred Langley Drive. Police arrive. They find
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Speaker 1: bullet holes in the window of the home and they
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Speaker 1: see shell casings on the ground outside in the street.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand this straight to you. Angela Brown, investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter wc IVY ABC News for Charleston. One quick question,
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Speaker 1: so I understand this? Do I understand it correctly? Angela Brown?
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Speaker 1: That the gun shots went through the window of the
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Speaker 1: home and the casings were right outside on the street.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yes? You had that right? The lub
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Speaker 1: shot inside of this house, fire from outside. They fired
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Speaker 1: these gunshots inside of a home, not knowing who was
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Speaker 1: maybe they didn't know, but sided inside of a home,
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Speaker 1: and of course this little girl was inside who was hit? Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on, angel I'm just trying to establish something forensically.
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Speaker 1: Angela Brown with me wc IV, ABC News for Charleston. Angela,
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Speaker 1: how far were the casings from the window? Well, the
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Speaker 1: casings were across this root from the house. Just imagine
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Speaker 1: the normal block on there's there're home from both sides,
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Speaker 1: and the casings were actually found across the roots from
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Speaker 1: the home were little Italian list that's where Okay too,
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Speaker 1: Pastor at Thomas Ravenel, who is joining us from there
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Speaker 1: in the community. Pastor, I'm going to get to the
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Speaker 1: whole scenario in just a moment, but I've got to
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Speaker 1: establish something forensically, and that is how far are the
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Speaker 1: casings feet? Thirty feet fifty feet? One hundred yards the
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Speaker 1: casings from the window. We're not sure, honestly, you know,
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Speaker 1: we get the basic information, some of the crime scene information.
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Speaker 1: We have not have nothing disclosed to us as of known. Well,
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Speaker 1: do you know where the window is? Do you know
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Speaker 1: where the window is? Yes, ma'am? Do you know where
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Speaker 1: how far it is to be across the street, directly
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Speaker 1: across the street on the other side of the street.
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Speaker 1: How far is that? It's not that far. Might be
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Speaker 1: a hundred yards at the most, one hundred yards. Uh
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, A football field is three hundred what's
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Speaker 1: one hundred yards? Right? Football field? One hundred yards? Okay,
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Speaker 1: one hundred yards is the length of a football field?
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Speaker 1: You know what. I'm gonna go to Italia's mom, Miss Graham.
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Speaker 1: How far from your window were the shell casings I
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Speaker 1: would see? Was it a football field? Was it a
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Speaker 1: football field? Thirty feet? Thank you? I'm going to circle
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Speaker 1: right back to you. Okay, it showed me a while.
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Speaker 1: Forgive me. I'm a JD, not a DDS. Don't know
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Speaker 1: how to pull teeth. But this is what I'm getting at,
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Speaker 1: and now you'll understand why I'm so concerned. To Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, death investigator, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. You know where
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Speaker 1: I'm going, Joe Scott, because if this is thirty feet away,
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Speaker 1: this is not some drive by. This is somebody right
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Speaker 1: there pointing, okay, pointing at that window. So this was
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Speaker 1: not some random drive by, you know, shooting up in
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Speaker 1: the air. Oh h double l No, it's not. And
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Speaker 1: I know that because of the distance between the shell
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Speaker 1: cases and the window. You explain, Yeah, windows, Nancy, functional word,
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Speaker 1: they're not walls. That is is this a position from
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Speaker 1: which an individual could stand at that distance and observe
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Speaker 1: into the house. That's what makes me think, and I
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Speaker 1: think some of the law enforcement types that this is
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Speaker 1: a targeted event. If you're able to look in the window.
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Speaker 1: And remember, you know, one of the things is if
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Speaker 1: the interior of your height of your house is illuminated
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Speaker 1: at night, you can't see out of the window, but
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Speaker 1: people can see in. And this is something somebody could
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Speaker 1: come in with stealth and do and no one would
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Speaker 1: see them out there. They would simply fire from that
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Speaker 1: position across the street through the window. And what they're saying,
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Speaker 1: and I've actually seen images of this. They're showing two,
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Speaker 1: not one, but two bullet holes that pass through that glass.
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Speaker 1: And that's very significant, Nancy, because at that position, you're
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Speaker 1: wondering who else was in the room. Was there anybody
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Speaker 1: other principles in that room. It's mind boggling to me
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Speaker 1: that someone could target a precious little angel like this,
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Speaker 1: you know, an innocent like this. It makes me think,
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Speaker 1: I wonder if there was somebody else there that this individual,
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Speaker 1: this monster was after. Knowing what Italia is, mother veronicaor
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Speaker 1: Graham has just told me about the distance of the
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Speaker 1: gunchut shells to the home. This is not random. Now.
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Speaker 1: The only way it could be random is if someone
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Speaker 1: is shooting three windows for the thrill of it, for
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Speaker 1: the sick thrill of it. Climb stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This story means a lot to me. And let me
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Speaker 1: correct myself. This is not a story, a fable. This
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Speaker 1: is real. This is a beautiful five year old little girl.
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Speaker 1: And I remember my little girl at five, I still
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Speaker 1: had her hair like this, she'd still wear bows in
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Speaker 1: her hair. I dressed her up as best as I could.
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Speaker 1: I've got a picture of Italia right here holding a
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Speaker 1: big teddy Bear at my little girl still has hurt
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Speaker 1: Teddy Bear as a child on her bed, dressed up
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Speaker 1: in clothes. Here she is with bows in her hair
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Speaker 1: like I do, Lucy. Here she is with it looks
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Speaker 1: like twenty braids done in her hair. And now I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at a makeshift candlelight memorial. Because Italia was shocked.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Italia's mother, Veronica Graham. Missus Graham.
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Speaker 1: There's no way for you to know this, but on
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Speaker 1: the day of this shooting, it was August six, correct,
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Speaker 1: Miss Graham. That day I woke up in the depths
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Speaker 1: of misery because August six is the day that changed
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Speaker 1: my life. My fiancee was murdered that day, August the six,
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Speaker 1: and every day every year August the six just it's
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Speaker 1: like a freight train hit me, and I was all
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Speaker 1: mssed in my own thoughts. I of course, didn't want
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Speaker 1: my twins to know anything was wrong. And then I
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Speaker 1: read about Italia and I realized how selfish I was,
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Speaker 1: because your grief it's a million times of mine. I
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Speaker 1: can't imagine what could be worse than losing your child.
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Speaker 1: Were you and I immediately started praying for you. I
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Speaker 1: didn't even know your name and for Italia about what
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Speaker 1: you're going through. Will you tell me, miss Graham, what
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Speaker 1: happened that day? It was as my sisters. My little
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Speaker 1: sister birthdis she was turning fourteen, so we decided to
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Speaker 1: celebrate no birthday for her. So around like a thirties,
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Speaker 1: the party was over. We was just cleaning up. But
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Speaker 1: earlier that day, tell ya every time in somebody's birthday,
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Speaker 1: tell yo always feel like she needs a kid too. Well,
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Speaker 1: I took her to the storms to get her a
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Speaker 1: little toy to play with. So it was me, her
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Speaker 1: and my boyfriend. We are sitting in the living room
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Speaker 1: and she just was like, you want to see my joy,
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Speaker 1: and she ran to her room and then she ran
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Speaker 1: down the hallway. And then as she was running down
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Speaker 1: the hallway, I heard him screaming and just like yelling,
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Speaker 1: and I thought his theory and the fact that we
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Speaker 1: just had the party in the balloons and everything was
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Speaker 1: I thought she just stepped on the balloon or something.
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Speaker 1: So I'm just like what she and she's scared everybody?
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Speaker 1: What's going on? Then I turned around and she was
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Speaker 1: just like standing and she was standing up, and then
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Speaker 1: I see my boyfriend. He's like trying to jump, but
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Speaker 1: he tripped over the table trying to catch her. And
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Speaker 1: then she like turned around and she and then I
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Speaker 1: noticed like she had a gunshot woods her head. So
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Speaker 1: then she walked to me and she just fell in
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Speaker 1: my arms and I was just like screaming and yelling.
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Speaker 1: I was screaming, saying hell, and I was just like
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Speaker 1: come on, tell you, I'm on, come on, come on,
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Speaker 1: come on, okay, come on, and I just keep screaming
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Speaker 1: for help, old and old, and then like the police arrived,
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Speaker 1: and then I was waiting on the ambulance to come,
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Speaker 1: and finally the ambulance arrived and then they put her
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Speaker 1: inside the ambulance. But I wasn't able to drive with
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Speaker 1: her in the ambulance, so I end up going with
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Speaker 1: the police officer and then he was they were driving
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Speaker 1: me there, taking me there, and just when I was
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Speaker 1: walking inside the hospital, like the way, the officer was
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Speaker 1: like squeezing my hand and like kept like holding me,
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Speaker 1: and like I had like blood everywhere. I had blood
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Speaker 1: all over my dress all and my hand all down
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Speaker 1: to my feet. Like she was still like and he
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Speaker 1: just was like squeezing me and just like and then
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Speaker 1: I was like, where is She's like, let me go
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Speaker 1: see her, like she need to hear my voice, Like
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Speaker 1: she needed to hear my voice because if she hit me,
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Speaker 1: she knows, like I'm here, and he just like kept
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Speaker 1: squeezing and I was just like, whend she mean she
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Speaker 1: He's just like just go. He's like just go. You
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Speaker 1: needn't go sit in the waite room and I was like,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say it a waitever m. I
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Speaker 1: want to see her, And then they put me in
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Speaker 1: this room. But then they told me there was like,
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Speaker 1: well you know she's going, and I just was like no,
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Speaker 1: like no, my busy, like nope, Like we was already weird,
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Speaker 1: already had clients like I played. She loved chocolate mills
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Speaker 1: and I putting chocolate mills in the cooler bar just before.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just like, because when you wake up, you
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Speaker 1: know you have nice cool chocolate mills and still saving individuator. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'm just like they just I don't know why it's
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Speaker 1: just me my kids. We is just a woman and
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Speaker 1: kids in the house. I don't know why it was
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Speaker 1: he targeted at all, Miss Graham. That's there, guys joining
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Speaker 1: me is Italia's mother, Veronica Graham, and she has just
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Speaker 1: told you about what happened the evening. Italia was shot
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Speaker 1: in her own home, in the hallway of their home.
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Speaker 1: You know, to you, doctor Bethany Marshall, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you remember when my dad passed away a couple
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Speaker 1: of years ago, and we had a thing. He was
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Speaker 1: trying to talk to my mom to living with us,
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Speaker 1: and they'd spend a lot of time up here, and
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Speaker 1: every night after dinner, I'd asked my dad, can I
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Speaker 1: make you a decaf? And he go, oh, no, don't worry,
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Speaker 1: but I of course go make him one anyway. And
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Speaker 1: I remember at the hospital when he was about to
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Speaker 1: pass away, I was whispering in his ear. Everybody else
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Speaker 1: was saying, you can go, you can go ahead, and
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Speaker 1: I was literally in his ear, going, no, daddy, don't
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Speaker 1: do not leave me here. Come on, let's go home
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Speaker 1: and I'll make you a cup of decaf. And when
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Speaker 1: she's talking about that chocolate milk, that's what it makes
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Speaker 1: me think up what is it is? Our minds just
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Speaker 1: can't take in what's happening, and we want to go
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Speaker 1: back to what's normal to us. And Nancy you know.
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Speaker 1: I remember your book signing and your dad fainted. Do
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Speaker 1: you remember that that? I have never I feel like
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Speaker 1: crying right now. I have never heard someone scream like
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Speaker 1: you screamed. I heard you scream daddy, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: what the heck? And I turned around and your dad
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Speaker 1: had collapsed. It was that same, you know emotion that
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Speaker 1: Italia's mom is talking about and the boyfriend when he
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Speaker 1: ran down the hallway. I think our minds are not
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Speaker 1: prepared for that kind of loss. I mean, she had
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Speaker 1: been with Italia for five years. She just said it.
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Speaker 1: Talia needed to hear her voice. The mother infant tie
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Speaker 1: is so strong that to accept that that tie has
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Speaker 1: been broken snapped, that the attachment has been pierced in
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Speaker 1: some way, it's unfathomable. You can't accept it in a moment.
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Speaker 1: She's going to be working on this for years. I've
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Speaker 1: said so many times on your show, grieving as disillusionment.
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Speaker 1: When you grieve, you dispossess yourself or dismantle the illusion
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Speaker 1: that your life will go forward with this one person.
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Speaker 1: But in this moment, it was still going forward. She
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Speaker 1: was putting the chocolate milk in the refrigerator, and it's
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Speaker 1: going to be a long, slow process for her crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, you gotta help us find
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Speaker 1: the person and figure out what happened to this beautiful
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Speaker 1: little girl. Just when you look at her picture, you'll
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Speaker 1: see what I mean, So innocent, so sweet, at home
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Speaker 1: with mommy. Why would someone shoot straight through the window
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Speaker 1: with this little girl inside? Who one of this child? Dad? Why?
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Speaker 1: I've got a chip line for you. It's eight forty
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Speaker 1: three two eight five seven three oh five repeat eight
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Speaker 1: for three two eight five seven three zero five. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at WCSC Live five News.
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Speaker 1: This is Caitlin Stansell. Somerville police returned to the scene
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Speaker 1: this afternoon to look for more evidence and talk to
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Speaker 1: residence after a five year old girl was shot and killed.
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Speaker 1: We came out the police mean happened. Bullet holes remain
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Speaker 1: in the window of the home on Langley Drive. Authorities
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Speaker 1: says someone fired into the house from outside, leaving their
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Speaker 1: shell casings behind across the street. We'll shoot up the house.
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Speaker 1: Man's that's just a cow with a right. Police say.
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Speaker 1: Italia Brown was hit by one of those bullets while
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Speaker 1: inside her family's home around ten o'clock last night and
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Speaker 1: you killing journey. Anyone got much to do? Nothing? The
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Speaker 1: baby been five, just about to go to school. Neighbors
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Speaker 1: say they believe the house was targeted. It's hard on it.
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Speaker 1: I ain't gon lied to. Somerville police have not yet
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Speaker 1: released information about any known suspects in the case again
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Speaker 1: tipline eight four three two eight five seven three zero five.
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Speaker 1: In addition to Italia's mother Veronica Graham with me as
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Speaker 1: Pastor Thomas Ravenel joining us from the community. Pastor, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. For preacher, what can you
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Speaker 1: tell me about what police are saying right now about
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Speaker 1: who would shoot a five year old little girl Nancy
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Speaker 1: and also said that the police is just as stunned
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Speaker 1: as we are. Very limited information coming in the night
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Speaker 1: of the visual you can see the experiension on the
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Speaker 1: police day were just as upset and said as we were.
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Speaker 1: But again, very limited information. We have a theme that
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Speaker 1: we ll see something, say something, and so we were.
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Speaker 1: On social media, majority of us have changed our profile puture,
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Speaker 1: I know myself and and mister Ronica, we've changed our
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Speaker 1: profile putre to Italia. Every day we're sharing the flyers,
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Speaker 1: but very little information is coming in at all, very little.
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Speaker 1: I hate that. I hate that because we need something
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Speaker 1: to work with. U. Pastor Ravenel joining me there from
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Speaker 1: Summer of Old South Carolina along with I tell you,
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Speaker 1: as mother Veronica Graham, let me bring in the rest
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Speaker 1: of the panel. You know, Lee Egan joining me. Lee
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Speaker 1: is reporter journalist joining me from crime online dot Com. Lee.
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Speaker 1: Are there any leads that you know of now, because
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Speaker 1: you've been investigating the case as well anything, Hey, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: there are no leads that we know of. There is
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Speaker 1: a saying going around that people in the community may
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Speaker 1: know and they're not saying anything. But as far as
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Speaker 1: what police have told us, nothing, absolutely nothing. Nellie. What
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Speaker 1: is the number one rule that I give you, and
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Speaker 1: that is when I ask you something, don't say I
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Speaker 1: don't know. Tell me what you think. But in this case,
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, nobody knows. And I find that really
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Speaker 1: hard to believe because isn't it true, Miss Graham, that
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Speaker 1: at that time of the night, August the six, it
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Speaker 1: was still a little bit daylight. Yes, an then when
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Speaker 1: shots ring out Cloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle PD
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Speaker 1: twenty two of that homicide. Author Seattle's Forgotten serial killer
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Speaker 1: Gary Jean Grant Cloyd. When you hear a gunshot, people stop.
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Speaker 1: It's like, as I said the other day on the air,
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Speaker 1: the first time I saw a junkie shoot up, you
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Speaker 1: know instinctively something's wrong. It's like when you hear a
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Speaker 1: rattlesnake for the first time, or you hear like somebody
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Speaker 1: racking a shotgun. It's instinctive, you know something is wrong
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Speaker 1: when you hear a gunshot. You want to tell me
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Speaker 1: in a neighborhood where children like where I grew up
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Speaker 1: would still be in the yard running at each other's
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Speaker 1: homes at eight thirty at night in the summertime. Oh yes,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't even fully dark yet, and nobody saw a thing.
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Speaker 1: And this is fifty feet or less from their window.
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Speaker 1: That is not true. I don't believe that. Gloyd Steiger, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt people saw this, and for whatever reason,
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Speaker 1: don't want to tell. You know, the first murder I
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Speaker 1: ever investigated was very much like this little girl in
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Speaker 1: her house sleeping when somebody shot up the house and
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Speaker 1: they killed her. And in nineteen ninety four, and nobody
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Speaker 1: wanted the same thing. We actually were able to get
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Speaker 1: those guys because somebody made an anonymous tip, and maybe
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Speaker 1: somebody should just make an anonymous tip in this case
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Speaker 1: if they don't want to be called that at least
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Speaker 1: point the police in the right direction, then they can
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Speaker 1: work that way. But you know, this is this is
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Speaker 1: one of the defining works has ever happened to a parent.
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Speaker 1: And I always hated having to deal with parents because
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Speaker 1: I felt so sorry for him in the situation. But
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Speaker 1: that makes the police want to investigate and get this
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Speaker 1: guy almost as much as the mother does. I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out what we know about the cause of death.
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Speaker 1: But first to ask you Willcott judge, trial lawyer, anchor
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Speaker 1: court TV at Ashley Willcot dot com, Ashley weigh in. Listen,
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Speaker 1: this is a senseless act of violence, needless to say.
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Speaker 1: First of all, bullets, we know there were bullets that
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Speaker 1: can then be placed with what type of gun. That's
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Speaker 1: information that everybody needs to know, because then they know
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Speaker 1: if there's a gun owner with that particular type of gun,
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Speaker 1: perhaps that someone that needs to be spoken to. Videos
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Speaker 1: this day and age, let me tell you something about
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Speaker 1: youth and young adults that I see in my court.
23:18
Speaker 1: Everybody loves to video. Now that's good news to catch
23:21
Speaker 1: a criminal. So I believe somewhere out there may be
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Speaker 1: videos that would give information to the police about who
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Speaker 1: did this. You know, I think you're right, Ashley Willcott,
23:31
Speaker 1: and I want to circle back, following up on what
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Speaker 1: you're saying, Ashley to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State.
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Speaker 1: The Summerville Police say officers witnesses heard gunfire and they
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Speaker 1: saw a home that hadn't struck. Here's the critical part.
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Speaker 1: Multiple times, multiple times. This was not somebody shooting up
23:54
Speaker 1: in the air for the heck of it, which is ridiculous. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: this is someone from about thirty to fifty feet away.
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Speaker 1: And I'm looking at a picture of the home right now.
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Speaker 1: The home is about that window is about twenty five
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Speaker 1: thirty feet from the street at most. The street is
24:13
Speaker 1: twenty feet wide at most. I'm looking at it and
24:17
Speaker 1: I'm estimating I see where there are marks of crime
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Speaker 1: seemed tape, and that is telling me where the bullets were.
24:26
Speaker 1: So multiple shots at a window, the lights on inside.
24:32
Speaker 1: As Miss Graham just told us, there are different floodlights
24:36
Speaker 1: on people's homes. It's a tree lined street. It looks
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Speaker 1: like I'll leave it to Beaver Street. It's a ranch home.
24:46
Speaker 1: All the windows are on the ground floor. There are
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Speaker 1: some shrubs in front of some of the windows, not
24:51
Speaker 1: all multiple shots, Joe Scott. That's telling me even more.
24:58
Speaker 1: And let's talk about the weapon. Circling back to what
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Speaker 1: Ashley mentioned just a second ago, we had what we
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Speaker 1: know or spent casings. That means they have been ejected
25:11
Speaker 1: from the weapon. That means that this is a semi
25:13
Speaker 1: automatic weapon. Nancy, and even the casings themselves. Hey hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
25:19
Speaker 1: hey talk, regular people talk. Most people don't have a
25:23
Speaker 1: semi automatic weapon that they can compare to. I hope
25:26
Speaker 1: they don't anyway, So go ahead, explain what you're saying. Yeah,
25:30
Speaker 1: what we're talking about is most likely a handgun that
25:33
Speaker 1: has a magazine in it. You know, you see in
25:36
Speaker 1: movies where people you know will slide a magazine into
25:39
Speaker 1: the grip. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys, we're talking
25:55
Speaker 1: about the death of a five year old little girl, beautiful, gorgeous.
26:02
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen her picture, you can see it
26:04
Speaker 1: at crime online dot com. Italia. I want to go
26:07
Speaker 1: back to Veronica Graham. This is Italia's mother, but first
26:12
Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Angela Brown joining us
26:15
Speaker 1: today ABC News for Charleston. Glenderrik is a new dad
26:20
Speaker 1: raising a son just around the block from her. Five
26:23
Speaker 1: year wrote Italia Brown was shot and killed. Living next
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Speaker 1: door to glender Rick is Terrence Carter, a father himself.
26:30
Speaker 1: That's my first born right here. So in a way,
26:33
Speaker 1: it kind of really really hit home because I think
26:36
Speaker 1: they're both my own Jill, you know so. I mean,
26:40
Speaker 1: it's just a savo kids, and I pray for the family,
26:42
Speaker 1: feel sorry for the family. Living next door to Glenderrick
26:45
Speaker 1: is Terrence Carter, a father himself. The first thing you're
26:49
Speaker 1: going to do really is calling check on your kids
26:52
Speaker 1: and make sure you know. It kind of reminds you
26:54
Speaker 1: to any day could be your last. Neighbors tell me
26:58
Speaker 1: they often saw Italia writing bike plane because I see
27:01
Speaker 1: you're all the time running by a sickle plane with
27:04
Speaker 1: the town. Ye. If I got something canned or something again,
27:07
Speaker 1: I'll give it gone. I mean, what your nakid autumn
27:11
Speaker 1: got the Manta Today, a pink bike rests beside her home,
27:14
Speaker 1: along with bullet holes in the window. Well go out
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Speaker 1: of the road to Italia's mother, joining me right now,
27:24
Speaker 1: Veronica Graham, Miss Graham, it has been said that a
27:28
Speaker 1: stray bullet hit Italia. I don't believe it was a
27:33
Speaker 1: stray bullet because there were at least two gunshots fired.
27:38
Speaker 1: Nobody else in the neighborhood had their windows broken or
27:42
Speaker 1: were fired at, and this was about thirty to fifty
27:46
Speaker 1: feet from the window. It was clearly aimed, Miss Graham.
27:53
Speaker 1: What are police telling you about their theory as to
27:57
Speaker 1: who shot your daughter? Yeah? The only thing they told
28:01
Speaker 1: me so far that they believed the person was on foot,
28:04
Speaker 1: not driving, because the officer was at the stop sign,
28:09
Speaker 1: and the stop sign is the way like the exit.
28:12
Speaker 1: So they said they rewind the dashboard the dash camera
28:16
Speaker 1: of the cop car, and they didn't see anybody leave
28:20
Speaker 1: or anybody go. That's why the cops were able to
28:23
Speaker 1: respond as fast as they did, because they were already
28:26
Speaker 1: sitting sitting on the stop sign, by the stop sign,
28:30
Speaker 1: so they believe it was somebody on the foot, So
28:32
Speaker 1: somebody was walking around. Let me understand something thing, Pastor
28:36
Speaker 1: Thomas Ravanel joining me there in summer of old Pastor,
28:40
Speaker 1: could you tell me where the cop happened to be
28:43
Speaker 1: at that moment, is that the only way in and
28:46
Speaker 1: out of the Evergreen Subdivision. Yea, yeah, correct, Nancy. So
28:51
Speaker 1: they were at the stop sign, so when you come in,
28:53
Speaker 1: you make two right terms. So the corp was already
28:56
Speaker 1: sitting at one in the sex and just patrolling the neighborhood.
29:00
Speaker 1: So no vehicles came out after they heard the shoot him.
29:03
Speaker 1: The only way to come out they would have to
29:05
Speaker 1: have passed that cop, like Miss Graham said, So that's
29:08
Speaker 1: why hardly we think the person who did it was
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Speaker 1: somebody who familiar what the neighborhood, was comfortable walking through
29:16
Speaker 1: the neighblewood, being in the neighborood because and then we
29:19
Speaker 1: did at a certain at a pointed time to fight
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Speaker 1: into the house. Joe Scott, We're gonna get this guy.
29:27
Speaker 1: We're gonna get him. This is a man that knows
29:30
Speaker 1: the neighborhood that is on foot. We've just got double
29:34
Speaker 1: confirmation that was the only way out and at that
29:38
Speaker 1: moment to get into the Evergreen Subdivision. At that moment,
29:41
Speaker 1: a cop happened to be sitting there. You know, I
29:44
Speaker 1: know there are bad cops. I know that as well
29:47
Speaker 1: as anybody, because I've had a couple of bad cops
29:50
Speaker 1: that turned out to be witnesses on some of my cases.
29:54
Speaker 1: But when I see a cop in our neighborhood patrolling
29:57
Speaker 1: and driving by, that makes me feel good. What I'm
30:01
Speaker 1: saying is that tells me a lot about who this
30:06
Speaker 1: shooter is. I can also tell you right now, doctor
30:10
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall that it is a young male. What do
30:13
Speaker 1: you think, Bethany. I think it's a young male too.
30:16
Speaker 1: I think it's somebody with an extraordinary amount of energy,
30:19
Speaker 1: somebody who has been in that neighborhood, who is very
30:23
Speaker 1: familiar with the neighborhood, somebody who has deep ties into
30:28
Speaker 1: the community. Because I was looking at the footage and
30:32
Speaker 1: there are children playing in the streets. All the neighbors
30:35
Speaker 1: seem to know each other. This is a true community, Nancy,
30:40
Speaker 1: so they are going to be aware if somebody is
30:44
Speaker 1: walking down the street, who's a stranger. I don't believe
30:48
Speaker 1: I was trying to look at a map. I don't
30:50
Speaker 1: believe this house is near any big commercial district where
30:55
Speaker 1: you're used to strangers kind of drifting in and out.
30:58
Speaker 1: This is a close, tight knit community where people came
31:03
Speaker 1: forward and spoke to the reporters. So there's a great
31:07
Speaker 1: deal of familiarity. That's what makes me think that not
31:11
Speaker 1: only would this be a young person with a lot
31:13
Speaker 1: of energy, but somebody who would be known, somebody who
31:17
Speaker 1: was hiding in plain sight. Somerville is part of the
31:21
Speaker 1: Charleston North Charleston metropolitan area. It's like a bedroom community Charleston.
31:29
Speaker 1: This is a residential neighborhood, tree Line Street. The yards
31:34
Speaker 1: are covered in grass, their sidewalks. I want to go
31:38
Speaker 1: now to Angela Brown, investigative reporter joining me from WCV
31:42
Speaker 1: ABC for you heard her voice earlier. Angela, what do
31:46
Speaker 1: you know the cops are doing right now to try
31:49
Speaker 1: to find the shooter? Because I'm telling you right now,
31:52
Speaker 1: this is a young male I would say thirty five
31:55
Speaker 1: or under, most likely under thirty five, who either lived
32:01
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, lives in the neighborhood, or has relatives
32:05
Speaker 1: or friends that live in the neighborhood, who was on
32:08
Speaker 1: foot and owns a weapon. What are crops doing to
32:12
Speaker 1: find the killer? You definitely think that someone in that
32:15
Speaker 1: community knows this person. In fact, I've been texting with
32:18
Speaker 1: the Summerville Police Department yesterday and even this morning, and
32:22
Speaker 1: when they keep stressing is a need for many people
32:25
Speaker 1: to come forward, but they're urging people to turnover in
32:28
Speaker 1: these videotapes cameras, which remember body has a camera in
32:32
Speaker 1: their house, if they have a camera on their home
32:35
Speaker 1: and that was focused on that area, to turn over
32:39
Speaker 1: the video. They seem to be in some ways at
32:41
Speaker 1: a dead end here. Who have a also in some
32:44
Speaker 1: sort of reward. There is an ad monetary amount of dispoint.
32:48
Speaker 1: If they have a flyer, you know, asking people to
32:50
Speaker 1: come forward with information, there will be some sort of reward.
32:53
Speaker 1: But talking to the PIO I've been texting within the
32:56
Speaker 1: last couple of days, he's been really stressing this need
32:59
Speaker 1: for video and clips, and they believe that maybe cameras
33:04
Speaker 1: on somebody's house that area who cons the whole thing,
33:09
Speaker 1: and they're asking people to turn over that video and
33:12
Speaker 1: to turn over their information. Well, I believe the police
33:15
Speaker 1: need to go door to door to Pastor Thomas Ravenel, preacher,
33:19
Speaker 1: what about going door to door at the cops or
33:23
Speaker 1: two overburdened, can you form a group to go door
33:27
Speaker 1: to door asking for a video? The yes, Nancy to
33:30
Speaker 1: deal the vigil It rain. The rain caught us and
33:34
Speaker 1: really threw everything off our plans that they were to
33:39
Speaker 1: go into the neighborhood, knocking on doors and then have
33:43
Speaker 1: andi visial. What we're planning on doing, hopefully next week
33:48
Speaker 1: is we're coming back in the neighborhood and we're going
33:53
Speaker 1: to every door in that neighborhood. The neighborhood stought is
33:57
Speaker 1: a subdivision in the back and in the front, in
34:00
Speaker 1: the back of the apartment complex where Miss Graham sees.
34:03
Speaker 1: And what we're planning on doing next week because we're
34:05
Speaker 1: coming back in there and we're gonna walk, but we're
34:08
Speaker 1: gonna start in the neighborhood and we're gonna walk all
34:12
Speaker 1: the way to the back and knock on every door.
34:14
Speaker 1: Because I think everybody knows some cameras, even if the
34:19
Speaker 1: house is a far distance, could have picked up some
34:22
Speaker 1: of the footage. So we were just hoping and praying
34:25
Speaker 1: that maybe there was a house or trailer distance a
34:29
Speaker 1: week this pick something up. So you hit it right
34:32
Speaker 1: on the head outside of my group parents again, Preacher,
34:36
Speaker 1: you gotta do it, Preacher, you have to do this
34:39
Speaker 1: thing for her. And another thing, isn't this right to you,
34:43
Speaker 1: Clode Steiger. It may not be footage of the shooting.
34:49
Speaker 1: It may be footage of someone walking or jogging or
34:53
Speaker 1: running away. It could be so many different things. Cloyd, Yeah,
34:59
Speaker 1: that's absolutely right. A matter of fact, it's much more
35:01
Speaker 1: likely that it's not the shooting itself. But it doesn't
35:03
Speaker 1: have to be. It just has to be a person
35:05
Speaker 1: that you can see his clothes, you can see, uh
35:08
Speaker 1: what there he has a gun at his hand or not,
35:10
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, there's there's video out there somewhere. You
35:13
Speaker 1: just gotta find it, too. Ronic or Graham, this is
35:16
Speaker 1: Italian's mother, Miss Graham. What do you want people to
35:21
Speaker 1: hear from you today? I just want justice. It's all
35:27
Speaker 1: just justice, some type of closure. I don't I don't
35:34
Speaker 1: know why somebody would even do that, knowing we've been
35:38
Speaker 1: staying over there for five years and she was born
35:43
Speaker 1: over there, so it's not like when new to the
35:45
Speaker 1: neighborhood or anything. So they just know it's just woman
35:49
Speaker 1: and children in the house. So I don't know. I
35:54
Speaker 1: just want to Miss Graham. I just gotta ask you,
35:59
Speaker 1: when you wipe up in the morning, how do you
36:01
Speaker 1: even keep going? Which can't can't? I have one? I
36:07
Speaker 1: have a twelve year old daughter. That's my motivation. I've
36:11
Speaker 1: still got to be strong for her. Guys, the tipline
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Speaker 1: is eight four three two eight five seven three zero five.
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Speaker 1: Please help us get justice for this beautiful little five
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Speaker 1: year old girl Italia. We wait as justice and falls.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,