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Indoctrination Exposed: The Plan to Rewrite History (ft. Wilfred Reilly) · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: If you went to public school, if you sat through
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Speaker 1: a lecture at a university, you have been programmed. I'm
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Speaker 1: using that word on purpose. I don't use it lightly.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now you've been programmed to believe
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Speaker 1: a version of history that simply doesn't exist. They told
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Speaker 1: you America is evil, they told you the Founders are villains.
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Speaker 1: Your teachers told specific lies designed to make you hate
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Speaker 1: your own country. But why today Professor Wilfrid Riley is
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Speaker 1: going to join us in the fearless Zone. He's going
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Speaker 1: to bring the receipts. He's going to tell you exactly
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Speaker 1: what they were doing and destroy those specific narratives the
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Speaker 1: education system uses to brainwash you and your kids. He
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Speaker 1: names the lies, he names the liars, He proves why
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Speaker 1: they are absolutely terrified of the truth you're about to see.
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Speaker 1: And here it's not just history. It's about the war
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Speaker 1: for your mind. Don't click away. You need to get
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Speaker 1: all the information you need to arm yourself against the nonsense.
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Speaker 1: And it starts right now. I've got to ask you
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Speaker 1: about JD. Vance at Amfest the other day. He literally
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Speaker 1: said the words white people don't have to apologize, or
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Speaker 1: people don't have to apologize for being white anymore, and
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Speaker 1: the left literally is trying to say that's a racist statement.
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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. I'm Italian and heritage. I'm proud
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Speaker 1: of that. I have no problem having olive or white skin.
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Speaker 1: I kind of like it, is there a problem with
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Speaker 1: what he said, or is this the same sort of
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Speaker 1: crying wolf when there's no wolf to cry about.
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Speaker 2: In the United States of America, you don't have to
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Speaker 2: apologize for being white anymore, And if you're an Asian,
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Speaker 2: you don't have to talk around your skin color when
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Speaker 2: you're applying.
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Speaker 3: For college, because we.
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Speaker 2: Judge people based on who they are, not on ethnicity
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Speaker 2: and things they can't control.
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Speaker 4: No, I don't think there's a problem with saying what
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Speaker 4: he said. I mean, I'm black and Irish myself probably
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Speaker 4: very similar background.
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Speaker 3: I'm from Chicago.
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a ridiculous element of political correctness that
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Speaker 4: we've all seen in recent years, and the disguise for
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Speaker 4: it is, oh, we're just opposing racism. No, I mean
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Speaker 4: I think everyone of Jackson J. D Vance himself, along
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Speaker 4: with some other speakers on the stage, kind of took
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Speaker 4: people to task for using I'll just say the terms
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Speaker 4: I mean Jeet to describe Indian Americans like there is prejudice.
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Speaker 3: That's over the line.
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Speaker 4: And I think the Republicans have been at least as
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Speaker 4: good as the Democrats when it comes to criticizing that
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Speaker 4: rejews white people, legacy Black Americans. But no, saying something
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Speaker 4: like all Lives Matter is not a prejudice statement.
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Speaker 3: Saying white people have.
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Speaker 4: Done a lot for this country, which is so obviously
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Speaker 4: true it sounds like a joke. No, that's not a
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Speaker 4: prejudice statement. And I think actually on Twitter and Facebook,
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Speaker 4: I've been kind of arguing this one because a lot
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Speaker 4: of people are saying, well, no, no one's ever asked
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Speaker 4: anyone to apologize for being white. But just I mean
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Speaker 4: a quick search through Google before they start deleting stuff
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Speaker 4: indicates that that's not true. I mean, there's a Huffington
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Speaker 4: Post article white should apologize, but we don't have to accept.
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Speaker 4: I mean there's another article called something like the Tyranny
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Speaker 4: of White Apologies arguing that, yeah, even white people apologizing
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Speaker 4: is racist because it indicates that they can they can
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Speaker 4: ever make up for the horrible thing they've done by existing. Yes,
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Speaker 4: they're pictures of like white priests washing the feet of
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Speaker 4: black rioters. I mean, so like this went on for
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Speaker 4: a decade. I mean, BLM really started with Trayvon Martin,
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Speaker 4: George Zimmermann. Tragic fight between actually a black guy and
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Speaker 4: a Hispanic guy that ends in the shooting.
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Speaker 1: There's a white Hispanic, here's a white Hispanic. Yeah, that
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Speaker 1: already reported him. It was a white Hispanic. In fact,
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Speaker 1: they stopped saying Hispanic. And his mother was like from Lima, Peru. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're right about everything that you just said.
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Speaker 1: Plus there was a headline Wolford. I think I remember
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Speaker 1: this headline something to the effect of I'll paraphrase it,
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Speaker 1: time to exterminate whiteness, you know what I mean. So
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Speaker 1: this has been in the legacy media for years now,
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Speaker 1: and for the vice president to say white people don't
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Speaker 1: have to apologize for being white anymore is completely appropriate.
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Speaker 1: I still remember the vision of Jacob Fry, this extremely
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Speaker 1: white Minneapolis mayor, taking a knee in front of the
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Speaker 1: Mark says BLM group, you know what I mean. So yes,
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Speaker 1: I think saying it is okay because it literally has
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Speaker 1: been happening.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean this is one of the images that
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Speaker 4: I put up on Twitter. I mean, so there are
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Speaker 4: four of them. One was the foot washing. Another one
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Speaker 4: was the mob in I think DC, where there's a
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Speaker 4: couple eating dinner and a parade goes by, and they
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Speaker 4: stop at every table and they say, you know, say
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Speaker 4: blm and apologize to us or something like that, right,
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Speaker 4: and one couple, like the guy apparently was decent with
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Speaker 4: his hands, and the girls didn't want to do it,
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Speaker 4: and they say no, and so the entire crowd surrounded them.
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Speaker 4: They're doing this and they're blowing whistles and so on,
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Speaker 4: and it became this very famous almost Nazisque image. That
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Speaker 4: was one, but the third was, Yeah, it was Fry
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Speaker 4: and a couple other people kneeling by George Floyd's golden casket,
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Speaker 4: crying or faking tears and just sort of sobbing about
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Speaker 4: what their society had done. And I mean, we now
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Speaker 4: know that George Floyd may very well have overdone. We
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Speaker 4: now know that the group of cops they had out
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Speaker 4: there were I mean there were I think there are
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Speaker 4: four different races. And mean, you had a black guy,
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Speaker 4: a Cambodian guy. These are all good officers, by the way,
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Speaker 4: me had a white guy. So the entire impression that
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Speaker 4: we got from that. Whether or not you want to
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Speaker 4: defend the police work there, but there was presented of
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Speaker 4: KKK style execution of a black man was just fantasy.
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Speaker 3: But I put that out there.
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Speaker 4: And when people are saying no one ever said you
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Speaker 4: should apologize for America or for whiteness, that was actually
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Speaker 4: the entire narrative around George Floyd, that this country has
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Speaker 4: had its boot on the neck of black America for
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Speaker 4: four hundred years. I mean, you had al sharp and
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Speaker 4: speak at George Floyd's funeral. If someone had just said, Okay,
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Speaker 4: we think this is the minus police work, and we're
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Speaker 4: going to sue the department for eight million and then
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Speaker 4: we're gonna move on, there wouldn't have been a George
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Speaker 4: Floyd controversy. Everyone would have just said, okay. The problem
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Speaker 4: was everything that was attached to that, the intimidation of
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Speaker 4: the medical examiner of riots, which by the way, burned
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Speaker 4: down the city's black business district. Yes, Lake Street business
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Speaker 4: districts an upper middle class black and Asian business district.
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Speaker 3: It was never rebuilt.
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Speaker 4: But like on and on and on and on, that's
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Speaker 4: what caused controversy, and that's what caused a lot of
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Speaker 4: white backlash. Actually, like a lot of the dissident right
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Speaker 4: alt right came out of that, where just people are
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Speaker 4: screaming at each other for eight years. I mean, that's
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Speaker 4: going to have an effect on racial attitudes on both sides.
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Speaker 1: That's a great point. It is, Wilfred Riley, go get
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Speaker 1: this book. It's called Lies. My liberal teacher told me.
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Speaker 1: Growing up, we were told that, I want to get
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Speaker 1: into the book here, we were told that there really
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Speaker 1: weren't any commies and it was just really bad governance
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Speaker 1: where they were attacking people and trying to scare us
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Speaker 1: with this the Red scare whatever they called it. In fact,
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Speaker 1: that there there was a communist movement in this country
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Speaker 1: and it still is. It's been around for over one
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Speaker 1: hundred years. How do you examine that in the book?
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Speaker 1: I mean, that was a lie, that there really weren't
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Speaker 1: any comies, right.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So Lives, my liberal teacher told me, is my
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Speaker 4: most recent book. It's been out a little under a year,
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Speaker 4: and it's my response to like this whole genre of
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Speaker 4: books like my teacher told me by Loewen, which.
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Speaker 3: Argue really two things.
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Speaker 4: Like so their first claim is one modern Western culture
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Speaker 4: is one of the worst cultures in history.
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Speaker 3: But also two, no one tells you that.
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Speaker 4: It's sort of a sneaky argument, like what you're told
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Speaker 4: in school is how good America is. And I actually think,
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Speaker 4: and this will irritate some of my kind of bro
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Speaker 4: conservative audience. But when these guys started writing, like when
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Speaker 4: the first Native authors started writing in nineteen sixty, they
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Speaker 4: may have even had a point, I mean, the way
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Speaker 4: the Civil War was presented or something like that that
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Speaker 4: may have been a bit too jingoistic. But their guys,
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Speaker 4: their team has now been in charge for the past
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Speaker 4: sixty years, and I look at whether they've been telling
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Speaker 4: the truth more than kind of we did, And the
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Speaker 4: answer is no. Almost everything they say is a lie.
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Speaker 4: So basically chapters one through ten one, I look at slavery.
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Speaker 4: Was this unique to the USA? Was it different here
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Speaker 4: from the way it was practiced worldwide?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 4: I mean slavery. Slave is one of the first ten
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Speaker 4: or twelve human words that was written down. Goes back
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Speaker 4: to backlan you read about it in the Bible. Jews
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Speaker 4: and the Egyptians, Romans and the Shebans, people of every
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Speaker 4: color enslaved each other, the great African kings, Mansa, Musa,
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Speaker 4: and the like sold the black slaves to the Americans.
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Speaker 4: So it's almost and I'm speaking that tone because it's
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Speaker 4: almost a depressing story. It's just when you beat someone
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Speaker 4: in war, what dod' you do? I mean, you either
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Speaker 4: killed them the Geneva Conventions were written in nineteen fifty four,
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Speaker 4: or you put them on a boat and they improved
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Speaker 4: the agricultural productivity of another country for a while. By
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Speaker 4: the way, poor whites almost invariably came to the USA
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Speaker 4: as something similar sharecroppers. We called the irishman twenty three years.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you came here, you had an indenture contract,
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Speaker 4: you worked for twenty three years. When you got free,
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Speaker 4: Massa gave you a shirt and some land, and then
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Speaker 4: you were you're technically on your own, but I mean
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Speaker 4: life expected.
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Speaker 3: He was twenty seven.
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Speaker 4: Anyway, Let's get to the second chapter of the book, though,
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Speaker 4: which is what you pointed out, the red scare. What
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Speaker 4: I say is that there wasn't really a red scare.
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Speaker 4: We had a red problem. The USA and Russia at
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Speaker 4: this time nineteen fifties were the two contending powers in
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Speaker 4: the world, and we were both spy gaming each other constantly.
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Speaker 4: This is what James Bond and all that is about.
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Speaker 4: We had talented agents US and UK on the one side,
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Speaker 4: the Rids on the other side, that were throughout one
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Speaker 4: another's governments, and that nearly got to the highest level.
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Speaker 4: A lot of those bovies and a lot of things
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Speaker 4: like Dick Marchenko's Rogue Warrior on the military side, those
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Speaker 4: are based on not very well concealed true stories. And
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Speaker 4: in political science we have what are called the Venona
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Speaker 4: cables v NNA, and that comes from the fact that
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Speaker 4: when the Soviet Union fell and when Putin his team
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Speaker 4: first took charge late nineties, we were fairly friendly with Russia.
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Speaker 4: Both sides declassified who a lot of their agents were,
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Speaker 4: and there was almost a friendly respect. By this point,
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Speaker 4: we weren't spying at the same level, and we were
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Speaker 4: able to see who they'd had over here. And it
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Speaker 4: turns out that virtually every cause celeb of the Western left,
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Speaker 4: Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, for example, these people that had
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Speaker 4: been defended Dalton Trumbo as just attacked by ruthless stupid
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Speaker 4: conservatives like McCarthy as communists when they were mere artists
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Speaker 4: or something like that, almost all of them turned out
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Speaker 4: to in fact be Russian spies. You can see this
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Speaker 4: list on Encyclopedia Britannica. You can see it in Wikipedia.
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Speaker 4: It's really not that contested. This is the Venona cables.
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Speaker 4: So we in fact know that we and the Ruskies
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Speaker 4: went back and forth with the spy game. We were
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Speaker 4: playing chess with them for decades. And so the idea
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Speaker 4: of who at the House on American Activities Committee pursuing
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Speaker 4: them and occasionally rooting out spies, the idea that this
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Speaker 4: was this wicked thing that was done to destroy the
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Speaker 4: creative community. No, that was the equivalent of putting terrorists
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Speaker 4: in Gitmo. It was an essential thing that was done
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Speaker 4: against a near peer opponent. And by the way, I
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Speaker 4: see that when Bush and even Obama pursued terrorists in
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Speaker 4: that fashion, now when President Trump is deporting illegal alien criminals,
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Speaker 4: you get the same sort of thing. I mean, we're
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Speaker 4: now seeing this CBS brew Aha. We sent some of
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Speaker 4: these illegal Venezuelans, including some narcos, to a tough president
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Speaker 4: El Salvador. We may shut that entire program down. The
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Speaker 4: attack is always on what we're doing on our side.
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Speaker 4: The question is never why are there these narco traffickers
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Speaker 4: in the USA? But the reality is that there are
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Speaker 4: narco traffickers in the USA. We're we're not having a
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Speaker 4: brown scare today.
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Speaker 1: And it's ultimately better to have them out of the
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Speaker 1: USA and putting them in Seacott is fine. Yeah. And
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Speaker 1: the reason why Barry Weiss pulled that, I'm sure you
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Speaker 1: know this is because we were not checking and balancing
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Speaker 1: both sides. We were just saying, these poor Venezuelans that
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Speaker 1: struggled to get to the United States were rounded up
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Speaker 1: and thrown to Seacott where they're being tortured, and we
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Speaker 1: never asked the simple question, are they trend deerragua? Are
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Speaker 1: they drug cartel members? Are they denoted as terrorists? Now
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Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter how they got there or why
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Speaker 1: they got there. Who are they? And they weren't going
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Speaker 1: to cover those bases. I'm glad there's somebody there now
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Speaker 1: that Will's Wilf and Riley get this book. It's been
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Speaker 1: out for about a year. It is lies. My liberal
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Speaker 1: teacher told me. We were told that the pilgrims came
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Speaker 1: and that the colonists started building colonies and they killed
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Speaker 1: the peaceful Indians who were just there to teach us
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Speaker 1: how to make Thanksgiving dinner. It turns out that's probably
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Speaker 1: not true. What do you expose in the book about that?
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Speaker 4: Well, this, some of the chapters I do very original research.
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Speaker 4: Even the Red Scared chapter. I think I get into
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Speaker 4: some of the writing in political science. I have a
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Speaker 4: direct link to the Vanonda cables. I do some stuff
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Speaker 4: that hasn't been seeing a lot. In the Native Americans chapter,
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Speaker 4: I think I just make a point for a general
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Speaker 4: audience that more smart people should know that that's not
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Speaker 4: really contested in science. But that I think is kind
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Speaker 4: of a shot to the average layman who's watched a
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Speaker 4: lot of Pocahontas and Disney and Avatar and so on.
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Speaker 4: And that point is Native Americans weren't peaceful at all.
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Speaker 4: Native Americans are some of the greatest warriors in history actually,
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Speaker 4: which to me is a compliment, but I mean, and
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Speaker 4: that's how they were able to hold us off the
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Speaker 4: white incomers, the Black Buffalo soldiers, the conquistadors for four
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Speaker 4: hundred years, fighting with you know, stone and bronze arrowheads.
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Speaker 4: But no, I mean the general idea. The Skeptic Research Center,
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Speaker 4: I think three years ago, did a poll of American
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Speaker 4: liberal young people and they asked them if they thought
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Speaker 4: Native Americans lived in harmony with each other and with
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Speaker 4: the environment, and I think it was seventy nine percent
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Speaker 4: of people said, yeah. Native Americans were peaceful. They never
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Speaker 4: killed an animal without using every part of it. They
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Speaker 4: never killed a human being outside of occasional like ritualistic warfare.
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Speaker 4: And that's completely untrue. Like the great Native tribes like
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Speaker 4: the Sioux, the Iroquois, the Apache, the Comanche, were not
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Speaker 4: only warlike in the sense that Americans or Russians sometimes are,
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Speaker 4: but were almost defined by war like summer was the
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Speaker 4: war season. Young men were able to if they'd killed
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Speaker 4: a certain number of enemies and gotten well for from them,
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Speaker 4: you know, I mean yeah, but that was also they
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Speaker 4: used to be the case in the Arab world.
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Speaker 3: There used to be the case for Vikings.
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Speaker 4: You'd go raid and you'd take horses, you'd take gold,
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Speaker 4: you'd come back.
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Speaker 3: Women didn't want anything to do with you if you
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Speaker 3: couldn't fight. But I mean, like, the.
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Speaker 4: Natives continued that what we would call primitive way of
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Speaker 4: life well after the Whites, well after even the West Africans.
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Speaker 3: Had stopped it to some extent.
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Speaker 4: So when the when the White Europeans came into this environment,
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Speaker 4: they encountered that very old way of life.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the Declaration of.
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Speaker 4: Independence is sometimes criticized for including the passage you know,
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Speaker 4: the British have turned against us the merciless Indian savages.
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Speaker 3: But that's not just.
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Speaker 4: A racial insult that's used for no reason. What they
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Speaker 4: mean is that when the King's men or when the
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Speaker 4: French on the frontiers got tired of sparring with the colonists,
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Speaker 4: what they would do is pay the natives to attack,
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Speaker 4: and when the natives did that, they would kill all
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Speaker 4: the men. If they won the battles, the colonists would
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Speaker 4: no joke themselves, but they would rape all the women,
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Speaker 4: and they would adopt the children into the native tribes.
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Speaker 4: And years later you might come back and see light
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Speaker 4: skinned Native American Indians fighting against you with their hair
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Speaker 4: cut in the traditional style, and I assume it would
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Speaker 4: also be kind of horrifying. So the colonists became disgusted
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Speaker 4: by this, and some of them, i'm sure, did want
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Speaker 4: to wipe out the Indians. But you have to understand
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Speaker 4: the entire background there, Like you have these two fighter
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Speaker 4: cultures facing each other. The Natives were if anything committing
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Speaker 4: more of the atrocities. The Natives had had this way
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Speaker 4: of life since before the Europeans arrived. Yeah, saw and
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Speaker 4: down the line. So no Native Americans did not spend
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Speaker 4: all day and dancing. That's the subtitle of the chapter.
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Speaker 1: Wilfred Riley, go and get his book. It's called Lives
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Speaker 1: by Liberal teacher told me go follow them all of
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Speaker 1: the place as well. What's interesting about that is, and
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Speaker 1: you already know this, but I'll just say something very obvious.
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Speaker 1: The Native Americans or Indians were killing each other way
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Speaker 1: before any white or black faces showed up here. That's
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Speaker 1: why the Mayas and the Astecs were killing each other
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Speaker 1: and showing each other their hearts before they died. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's not like we showed up and they were just
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Speaker 1: suddenly peaceful and we were very mean. You will not
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Speaker 1: believe what Professor Riley Unveil's coming up. It's really unbelievable,
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Speaker 1: Now more with the professor. But when we go from
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Speaker 1: that to colonial labs to colonization, you've got people now,
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Speaker 1: saying decolonize. Now, I mean, first of all, what would
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Speaker 1: that look like it we just decided we're no longer colonizing.
17:23
Speaker 1: We're just gonna give it all back to whoever it
17:24
Speaker 1: was that was here before, and we can find them
17:26
Speaker 1: that would be a problem. But the whole impetus here
17:29
Speaker 1: is that colonization is bad. European colonization, especially as bad
17:34
Speaker 1: Western civilization, is horrible. We have to undo it. What
17:37
Speaker 1: do you say to that, Well.
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Speaker 4: I think that's extremely stupid. I mean, so, by the way,
17:42
Speaker 4: first of all, good, good point. I mean, because you
17:43
Speaker 4: reminded me of one of the things in the chapter.
17:45
Speaker 4: I also talk about the civilized Indians. So we were
17:48
Speaker 4: talking about kind of like the honorable Northland warriors, Like, yeah,
17:51
Speaker 4: they were savage in their way, but you know, the
17:53
Speaker 4: Iroquois and all that. I mean, there was a warrior culture,
17:57
Speaker 4: but I mean people spent most of their time outside
17:59
Speaker 4: of war tilling to their farm, and women had pretty
18:03
Speaker 4: substantial rights. So I mean there's nothing disgusting per se
18:06
Speaker 4: about Algonquin culture. If you go farther south, you saw
18:11
Speaker 4: people developing into that first level of civilization without the
18:16
Speaker 4: influence of say Christianity.
18:18
Speaker 3: Or Buddhism at the time.
18:20
Speaker 4: So you had those kind of classic dictators and kings
18:25
Speaker 4: in the same way you had in well, would you say,
18:27
Speaker 4: Babylon or tyr back in the ancient world, and yeah,
18:31
Speaker 4: you had temples dedicated to human sacrifice pyramids.
18:34
Speaker 3: I mean, you had all of that.
18:35
Speaker 4: I mean, you had what old world society had to overcome.
18:39
Speaker 4: So yeah, when the Spanish arrived and fought the Aztecs,
18:42
Speaker 4: I mean they mentioned they're formidable armies and beautiful women
18:44
Speaker 4: and all the positive things, But there was also the
18:47
Speaker 4: practical reality that when they lost battles, which their opponents
18:51
Speaker 4: were sophisticated enough that they did, they understood that the
18:54
Speaker 4: captives were going to be taken into tinochi Lan and
18:57
Speaker 4: they were going to have their hearts cut out and
18:59
Speaker 4: their heads cut off, and.
19:00
Speaker 3: They were going to be eaten.
19:01
Speaker 4: And that's one of the reasons there was so little
19:04
Speaker 4: mercy on either side. I mean, in the the end
19:07
Speaker 4: of the war, the Spanish fought their way into what
19:10
Speaker 4: they viewed as the heart of darkness, and they're in
19:13
Speaker 4: the temple district of the city and they see these
19:15
Speaker 4: capes made of human skin flapping from these you know,
19:19
Speaker 4: mountain high buildings, and the you know what they considered
19:22
Speaker 4: to be the priests of demons, waving their staffs around
19:25
Speaker 4: to encourage their warriors and so on. I mean, that's
19:27
Speaker 4: that was the reality sort of this conan, the barbarian
19:31
Speaker 4: esque culture of fighting. Most of the people who came
19:37
Speaker 4: before modern Western civilization.
19:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but when they did that, you keep
19:41
Speaker 1: in mind with they're cutting heads off and and cutting
19:43
Speaker 1: out hearts, they did it peacefully.
19:46
Speaker 4: Just well, that's actually what a lot of modern academics
19:51
Speaker 4: would say, like they did it in a culturally normative,
19:54
Speaker 4: beautiful way. There are attempts to make this seem like
19:58
Speaker 4: people say things like, well, in the you guys hung people,
20:02
Speaker 4: you know, for committing crimes, Like every society does things.
20:05
Speaker 4: And I actually do think the question of whether there
20:07
Speaker 4: are truly ultimate moral rules is fascinating. Even theologians debate that.
20:13
Speaker 4: But I think we can't say it's bad to eat
20:15
Speaker 4: kids and that basic visceral like we're all disgusted by it.
20:18
Speaker 4: Since yes, so, I mean like when you do have
20:21
Speaker 4: isolated societies that don't have protein sources that turn to
20:24
Speaker 4: doing that, there's something uniquely bizarre about an attempt to
20:29
Speaker 4: defend that behavior, and that bizarreness comes from a weird
20:34
Speaker 4: critical tendency in our own society. And that gets to
20:38
Speaker 4: your second question, which is why do people say Western
20:42
Speaker 4: colonialism is uniquely bad? Because obviously, the Aztecs were colonists.
20:47
Speaker 4: I mean, Mexico is a giant country. It's they fought
20:50
Speaker 4: fairly well in wars against the USA. They're nearly as
20:53
Speaker 4: big as we are. They didn't start with all that land.
20:56
Speaker 4: You know, why are we the only people critique? I
21:00
Speaker 4: think what happens in practice is that people with modern
21:05
Speaker 4: post Christian morality will look at past European societies and say, well,
21:12
Speaker 4: by our standards, they don't measure up by our standards.
21:16
Speaker 4: Say five percent of sex and marriage with sexual abuse,
21:19
Speaker 4: or twenty percent of how mothers treated their children would
21:22
Speaker 4: be child abuse, and I would actually dispute both of those.
21:25
Speaker 4: But you can make those arguments, you can compare past
21:28
Speaker 4: societies to us today. The problem is that the same
21:33
Speaker 4: people saying that about us whites or middle class blacks
21:37
Speaker 4: or something like that, never take that same slide rule
21:41
Speaker 4: and apply it to the Aztecs or the Zulus or
21:44
Speaker 4: the Mongols who conquered half the world and tore down
21:48
Speaker 4: all the buildings so their horses could graze. And I
21:52
Speaker 4: think the reason that they don't is that they feel
21:58
Speaker 4: that only we can be criticized, because only the people
22:05
Speaker 4: that are successful at any given time can be bad.
22:09
Speaker 4: I think that's the best read I can do on
22:12
Speaker 4: left wing philosophy, which is pretty incoherent.
22:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well, well let me talk you though, because
22:17
Speaker 1: then they would hate every other society that they're talking about.
22:20
Speaker 1: They all at one point were very successful. So why
22:22
Speaker 1: are we the bad guys because we're successful today, because
22:25
Speaker 1: we're on the top today, we're the superpower today? Whatever mean?
22:28
Speaker 1: Because the Aztecs, the Mayans that that you talk about,
22:30
Speaker 1: the Iroquois and the and the law Agonquin or whatever
22:33
Speaker 1: it was, they were all extremely successful and really bad
22:38
Speaker 1: it did really bad things to get whatever that success was.
22:41
Speaker 1: Yet they're somehow the downtrodden and the victims of us
22:44
Speaker 1: because we're successful today. Is it is this this sort
22:47
Speaker 1: sort of let's go by the clock and by the
22:49
Speaker 1: date and whoever is a really they're really successful one
22:52
Speaker 1: today sucks?
22:52
Speaker 4: Is that it sort of? I mean, we beat them,
22:55
Speaker 4: so we have to be even worse. So like this
22:57
Speaker 4: really isn't I mean, it really doesn't make a lot
23:00
Speaker 4: of sense. But like Tom Skull actually summed this up
23:03
Speaker 4: and said, basically, the idea is that disparities equal discrimination
23:09
Speaker 4: and positive disparities equal oppression.
23:11
Speaker 3: If that makes sense.
23:13
Speaker 4: So if you see a disparity between men and women
23:16
Speaker 4: where men have more money, that must be because men
23:20
Speaker 4: are oppressing women. So if you look at history and
23:23
Speaker 4: you see that certain groups have dominated, you can probably
23:26
Speaker 4: say that, say the Mongols oppressed the Chinese or something
23:30
Speaker 4: like that. But if we are the people that are
23:33
Speaker 4: in charge now, and if Westerners beat the descendants of
23:37
Speaker 4: the Mongols and the descendants of the Aztecs and the
23:41
Speaker 4: descendants of the Mexicans and so on, which they kind
23:42
Speaker 4: of did, then this must be the most oppressive culture
23:46
Speaker 4: and history, even if the people that the West fought
23:52
Speaker 4: almost won and did much worse things. And in reality
23:56
Speaker 4: that as a final sentence, that doesn't really make any sense.
24:00
Speaker 4: The Westerners won basically because they had better guns and boats. Yeah,
24:04
Speaker 4: their actual philosophy was much kinder. It made a lot
24:07
Speaker 4: more sense. But once you accept that Marxist idea like
24:11
Speaker 4: two win means you're evil, a lot of problems follow
24:15
Speaker 4: from that.
24:16
Speaker 1: It's Wilfred Riley, go and get his book Lives, my
24:18
Speaker 1: liberal teacher told me, but out for about a year.
24:21
Speaker 1: I've got to get one more from you before we
24:22
Speaker 1: run out of time. Got about five minutes left. I
24:24
Speaker 1: got to get into the Southern strategy because the lie
24:27
Speaker 1: that somehow the parties changed hands. They just completely said, hey,
24:31
Speaker 1: you're a Democrat, welcome to the Republican Party. I'm a Republican.
24:35
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go be a Democrat.
24:36
Speaker 4: Now.
24:36
Speaker 1: There was no conference, no big convention, they didn't hand
24:38
Speaker 1: over their voting cards. The big switch never happened. But
24:42
Speaker 1: oftentimes when you say that, what the left will throw
24:45
Speaker 1: back in your faces. Yeah, with the Southern strategy isn't
24:48
Speaker 1: those poor blacks in the South to make it more
24:50
Speaker 1: racist and more Republican? When I think by histories, just
24:54
Speaker 1: by the facts of history. As the South became more Republican,
24:57
Speaker 1: it became far less racist than it was before. What
25:00
Speaker 1: was the Southern strategy? Was it some overwhelming racist thing
25:04
Speaker 1: that we're all told it was.
25:07
Speaker 4: Well, the Southern strategy argument is an interesting argument. This
25:11
Speaker 4: might be one of my weaker answers. That was one
25:12
Speaker 4: of the shorter chapters. But the Southern strategy argument is
25:17
Speaker 4: when a Republican points out that the Democrats actually have
25:20
Speaker 4: a worse history on race than the Republicans do, which
25:23
Speaker 4: is undisputed. I mean the Republican Yeah, the Republican Party
25:27
Speaker 4: was founded specifically to fight slavery. Like honest Ave Lincoln
25:31
Speaker 4: was a Republican. The Democrats in the South for many
25:34
Speaker 4: years were the armed wing of the pro slavery movement,
25:38
Speaker 4: and the KKK was the armed wing of the Democratic Party. Yes,
25:42
Speaker 4: any competent Southern historian will tell you that you had battles.
25:45
Speaker 4: There's a great book, Negroes with Guns, which talks about
25:48
Speaker 4: black and poor white fighters against like armed Democratic militias.
25:52
Speaker 4: You know, honors were about even on both sides. But
25:54
Speaker 4: there were battles, I mean, forty men shot. But anyway,
25:58
Speaker 4: so the Democrats have a worse history on race than
26:00
Speaker 4: the Republicans do. And if you point this out as
26:02
Speaker 4: a Republican, what a smart Democrat will generally.
26:05
Speaker 3: Say is yeah, yeah.
26:06
Speaker 4: But things changed around sixty five sixty six, right after
26:11
Speaker 4: Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act.
26:14
Speaker 3: And I mean Lyndon Baines.
26:15
Speaker 4: Johnson was not a modest man or a non profane man.
26:19
Speaker 4: I mean one of his quotes was, you know, I
26:20
Speaker 4: have them in words, voting Democrat for you know.
26:23
Speaker 3: It was it the next fifty five years something like that.
26:25
Speaker 1: I think you said two hundred years, yeah.
26:27
Speaker 3: Next two hundred years, yeah, yead so he was, yet
26:29
Speaker 3: he had big dreams.
26:30
Speaker 4: That the bad guy this guy yeah good yeah, And
26:34
Speaker 4: I mean almost every one of every race was back then.
26:36
Speaker 3: I just to you, gotta be fair about it.
26:38
Speaker 4: I mean, like pro inter racial dating was like four
26:41
Speaker 4: percent of white six percent of blacks, right, but anyway,
26:43
Speaker 4: so like, but so that that's the general idea the
26:46
Speaker 4: party's just switched on the dot.
26:49
Speaker 3: The problem with that is that it doesn't really hold up.
26:52
Speaker 4: I mean, the uh, the Dixiecrats were all still Democrats.
26:58
Speaker 4: I mean, the Dixiecrats were a bit before the Civil Right, Zach,
27:00
Speaker 4: But Dixiecrats were all Democrats when they ran. And if
27:04
Speaker 4: you look at Southern Democrats through the mid nineteen nineties,
27:08
Speaker 4: almost all of the former Dixiecrats and almost all of
27:11
Speaker 4: the former Democratic racists remained in the Democratic Party. You're
27:15
Speaker 4: talking about Bob BYRD and so on down the line.
27:18
Speaker 4: I mean, Bill Clinton still won substantial chunks of the
27:21
Speaker 4: South at ninety two and ninety six. So what I
27:24
Speaker 4: find when I actually look at the data is that
27:26
Speaker 4: you don't see any substantial rapid move away from the
27:32
Speaker 4: Democrats and toward the Republicans, even among Southern poor whites.
27:38
Speaker 3: You do see some shift six percent, But what.
27:41
Speaker 4: Really actually moves the South toward the Republican Party is
27:45
Speaker 4: the transition of kind of executive class, not particularly racist
27:50
Speaker 4: people to the South and the West from the rest
27:54
Speaker 4: of the country. Right, And that this is something that
27:56
Speaker 4: the first people to talk about the other shift just
28:01
Speaker 4: kind of ignored the Midwest and even the Northeast in
28:04
Speaker 4: the USA. Are you hate to say this, but declining regions.
28:08
Speaker 4: When you look at the fastest growing cities in the country,
28:10
Speaker 4: it's almost invariably Nashville, Austin, so on down the line
28:14
Speaker 4: right now, said Jacksonville, Atlanta, the Atlanta suburb. That's true
28:19
Speaker 4: for whites and blacks, so as just people from the USA,
28:24
Speaker 4: the New York suburbs. People are fleeing Chicago in puting
28:27
Speaker 4: a lot of black professionals. As those people moved to
28:29
Speaker 4: the South, a lot of them started voting Republican, and
28:32
Speaker 4: that dramatically shifted the pool of voters that you had
28:36
Speaker 4: in the South. I think that's what really changed Southern
28:40
Speaker 4: voting patterns. And this is at least a debate in
28:42
Speaker 4: political science. But if you were going to thank God,
28:46
Speaker 4: no one last line. If you're going to thank one
28:48
Speaker 4: person for the transition in the South, it would probably
28:50
Speaker 4: be Willis Carrier, who's the guy who invented the air conditioner.
28:54
Speaker 4: I mean, because before that you couldn't just live You
28:57
Speaker 4: couldn't just move from Maine to Florida and act like
28:59
Speaker 4: they're wasn't going to be a transition that was going
29:02
Speaker 4: to affect your family as it is now though, I mean,
29:04
Speaker 4: you can live in a very similar environment everywhere in
29:07
Speaker 4: the country. You can use central air in your house,
29:10
Speaker 4: you can shop at pretty much the same stores for
29:12
Speaker 4: your wife. And as that happened, you've seen a lot
29:16
Speaker 4: less dissimilarity between the South and the rest of the country.
29:20
Speaker 3: And I think that's really notable.
29:21
Speaker 1: Plus of Carriers moving south, he had to make the
29:23
Speaker 1: air conditioner or else they couldn't live here. It's Wilfrid Riley.
29:27
Speaker 1: Go and get his book Lives. My liberal teacher told me,
29:30
Speaker 1: I'll finish with this and tell me if you agree
29:32
Speaker 1: with this. My friend denex to Susas said this, and
29:35
Speaker 1: he did this in one of his books for documentaries,
29:37
Speaker 1: that black Americans didn't start voting Democrat because of the
29:40
Speaker 1: Civil Rights Actor of nineteen sixty four. They started voting
29:42
Speaker 1: Democrat because our Franklin Dela Rosa FDR. I wanted to
29:48
Speaker 1: say RFK. For some reason, FDR decided that he would
29:51
Speaker 1: say I'm gonna give you guys everything that you want
29:53
Speaker 1: in the New Deal, and then he left out the
29:56
Speaker 1: jobs that most blacks and Hispanics were doing back then.
29:59
Speaker 1: They made a promise and they lied, and a lot
30:01
Speaker 1: of Black Americans that were always voting Republican up until
30:04
Speaker 1: the twenties and thirties held the noses and voted Democrat,
30:07
Speaker 1: thinking that their economic situation would get better. And that's
30:11
Speaker 1: something that nobody's taught in school. Do you agree with
30:13
Speaker 1: that that black Americans made that switch? They were all
30:16
Speaker 1: Republican before then, but FDR said, I will give you
30:18
Speaker 1: all of this stuff, just vote for us.
30:21
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that played a role.
30:23
Speaker 4: I think with poor Americans in general, there was kind
30:26
Speaker 4: of a devil's bargain, which was as the welfare system grows,
30:30
Speaker 4: do you vote kind of those traditional ideals that you've had.
30:35
Speaker 4: I mean, the GOP really was the anti racist party.
30:38
Speaker 4: I mean, I think both poor whites and blacks, you're
30:41
Speaker 4: generally very religious. Do you vote in this direction or
30:45
Speaker 4: do you vote for the guy who says that I'm
30:47
Speaker 4: going to give you a X amount of money. And
30:50
Speaker 4: I mean we see this now with the parties and
30:52
Speaker 4: in particular the Democrats appealing to the young voter. I mean, Biden,
30:56
Speaker 4: I'm a college prop Biden, Flatley said at one point,
30:59
Speaker 4: I'm gonna forget all of your student loans. Now that's illegal.
31:02
Speaker 4: The courts didn't let him do it. But that's the
31:05
Speaker 4: eternal problem for democracy, right. Cannet Democracy survive once the
31:09
Speaker 4: voters realize they can keep voting themselves things from the
31:13
Speaker 4: public trough. And we're at a point now where we're
31:15
Speaker 4: gonna have to see whether it can or it can't.
31:18
Speaker 1: It is a Wilfred Roddy. Go get this book called lies.
31:20
Speaker 1: My liberal teacher told me go follow him everywhere, a
31:23
Speaker 1: great follow on X late at night. I'll see some
31:24
Speaker 1: of you, some of your retorts, they're awesome. Will underscore duh,
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Speaker 1: underscore a beast six point thirty over there, Wilfrid. Thanksamelia,
31:31
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Happy New Year. If I don't see you,
31:32
Speaker 1: thanks so.
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Speaker 3: Much, Merry Christmas. Joe, thank you all right.
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Speaker 1: That's it for unshaking and unafraid with Joe PAGs for
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Speaker 1: this time, Another one to drop very soon,