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The Favorites - NFL Betting Recap Week 17 · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Live from our Tommy John Holmes Studios. I am Chad
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  Speaker 1: Millman of the Action Network. This is our Sunday night episode.
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  Speaker 1: We will review the five picks we put into the
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  Speaker 1: contest to psyche. This dissect why we left some games out,
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  Speaker 1: preview the early lines we already like for week eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: There's a caveat there, Simon Adam about you. I've only
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  Speaker 1: seen three lines posted at this point because nobody knows
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  Speaker 1: who's doing what next week. I am joined by my
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  Speaker 1: Simon Hunter El Simon Chad.
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  Speaker 2: It sad we're already at week eighteen. But at least
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  Speaker 2: it's every game on Sunday in week eighteen.
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  Speaker 3: So we go out.
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  Speaker 1: It's two games on Saturday.
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  Speaker 3: Oh did they do Saturday again?
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  Speaker 2: But still at least we get not all these games.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't do two games of four o'clock today killed me.
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  Speaker 2: I need a full day of Sunday games.
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  Speaker 1: It was you know what, It threw my whole day off.
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  Speaker 1: I just felt off. I was crabby. We are one
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  Speaker 1: and two on the day. We went one and one
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  Speaker 1: in our Saturday game picks, taking the Chargers ultimately minus
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  Speaker 1: six and a half in the contest the Broncos plus
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  Speaker 1: three and a half. That was a real kicking the dick.
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  Speaker 1: We had the Panthers plus eight and a half against
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  Speaker 1: the Bucks this afternoon. We have the Falcons three and
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  Speaker 1: a half against Washington tonight, the Lions three and a
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  Speaker 1: half against the Niners tomorrow. No surprise, Simon favorites eleven
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  Speaker 1: to two and one on the weekend. Starting with the
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday games, they are seven and one today. Only the
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  Speaker 1: Colts lost as dogs, and they lost when the Giants
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  Speaker 1: won outright. This has been the habit. If you're going
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  Speaker 1: to be an underdog and you want to win, you
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  Speaker 1: just got to win the game outright. There is no
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  Speaker 1: covering as an underdog in the NFL anymore. Jesus Christ,
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  Speaker 1: going to get to the Eagles when Simon is just
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  Speaker 1: reveling in the glory of the Eagles and Saquon and
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  Speaker 1: winning the division and getting the two seed even though
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  Speaker 1: we didn't bet the Eagles or the Cowboys in the contest.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of good vibes coming out of South Jersey
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  Speaker 1: in Philly to day. So I want Simon to get
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  Speaker 1: his moment. But we'll get to that because we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it next week. Anyways, First of all,
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  Speaker 1: Simon chargers in New England. I had to go to
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  Speaker 1: my mother in law in the city on Saturday, which
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  Speaker 1: meant I was totally rushed getting our picks in before
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  Speaker 1: the two hour drive through the rain. So like, we
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  Speaker 1: normally put a pixe in on Thursday, and we liked
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  Speaker 1: update before game time to see if there are better numbers.
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  Speaker 1: And we had the Chargers four and a half. We
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  Speaker 1: had the Panthers seven and a half. When I logged
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  Speaker 1: into the Favorites contest pick site, the Chargers were five
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  Speaker 1: and a half. The Panthers weren't eight and a half.
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  Speaker 1: I text you, I'm like, what do you think? I
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  Speaker 1: think we should just take the Chargers at five and
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  Speaker 1: a half get the better number on the Panthers. So
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  Speaker 1: far we're together, right.
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  Speaker 3: You with me?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Good? We do that. We resubmit the line is
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  Speaker 1: at six and a half. We're like, fuck it. How
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  Speaker 1: often is half a point mattered? It didn't really matter,
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  Speaker 1: did it.
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  Speaker 3: That was basically a conversation. It was a bad number.
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  Speaker 2: We basically said though this this year, no half points
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  Speaker 2: really affected us in this exact spot.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about it two and a halfs I got
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  Speaker 3: on this.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, the quick correction. Our producer's going crazy chat.
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  Speaker 2: There are no Saturday games next week. It's all Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, oh, well, listen, I just I just
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  Speaker 1: came off watching the Lions vikings and they were showing
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  Speaker 1: a schedule with two Secon Saturday games tomorrow. That's why
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  Speaker 1: I said it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the internet and someone's lying. But he's right, he's right,
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  Speaker 3: he's right.
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  Speaker 1: My bed, Oh, all of a sudden, Chad Milman's right,
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  Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell is wrong. What do you know?
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, you nailed this Chargers game, no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 2: Like exactly what you said was going to happen. And
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  Speaker 2: in another life I would have been on the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: But this year I've learned that Chalk is gonna win,
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  Speaker 2: and not to overthink the numbers on the chalk and
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  Speaker 2: don't fight the movement. I mean literally every line that
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  Speaker 2: the favorites moved with they basically covered right, Like the
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  Speaker 2: Ravens went for four and a half up to six
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  Speaker 2: and a half by kick. The Tampa Bay went from
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  Speaker 2: seven and a half to ten and a half.
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  Speaker 3: Ten by kick. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The professional money has been coming in heavy, yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: it's been hidden for him.
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  Speaker 1: It's and it's not even like injury moves. Maybe the
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  Speaker 1: Panthers was Chewba Hubbard and stuff, but that Ravens move
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  Speaker 1: that was just money, money coming in, you know. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like it's truly been insane, even the Chargers. The
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  Speaker 1: Chargers move on Saturday morning was money coming in. It's
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  Speaker 1: just it's just been insane. The nice thing is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I had to spend the day with my mother in law,
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  Speaker 1: my brother in law, his wife, my wife, So like
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  Speaker 1: my best way to engage with the games yesterday was
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  Speaker 1: through the app. And as I'm walking through the museum
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  Speaker 1: and looking at a three thousand year old tablet that
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  Speaker 1: was excavated, I see the Chargers. They're up by two touchdowns.
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  Speaker 1: As I'm looking at the mixed media installations by some
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  Speaker 1: German artists, the Chargers are up by four touchdowns. By
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  Speaker 1: the time I'm eating Chinese and my mother in law
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  Speaker 1: was saying how much she loved the stream beans and
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  Speaker 1: the eggplants eighty five thousand times. I was getting a
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  Speaker 1: green check in the app. It was a glorious, glorious
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  Speaker 1: way to start the day. Sadly, the next few hours,
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  Speaker 1: Simon Denver plus three and a half at Cincinnati, tell
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  Speaker 1: me you didn't feel like that was just excruciating, and
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  Speaker 1: then I will tell you why it was even more
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  Speaker 1: excruciating for me.
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  Speaker 2: I love those games. That's I even like that game.
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  Speaker 2: That was exciting. That's why I love the Gamble. It's
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  Speaker 2: like a back and forth game. We died a thousand times.
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  Speaker 2: I thought we had no chance. We came back in
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, now we have no chance
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  Speaker 2: of not covering this, which probably happened four or five times.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, obviously the end results sucked. But this year sucked.
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  Speaker 3: It just sucks.
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  Speaker 2: It sucks been dogs, So I would say, yeah, if
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  Speaker 2: this is early this season, I would still be hurting
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  Speaker 2: about it because this is just this is our life now.
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  Speaker 3: My favorite are the people online. I see your post.
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  Speaker 2: Look, Chad and Simon can't say they were unlooking this game.
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  Speaker 2: They had so much luck. Okay, we got lucky that
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  Speaker 2: a guy missed a thirty yard field going overtime. Has
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  Speaker 2: that happened and any other game yet this season? Like
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  Speaker 2: that cover, I can't believe that guy when hit that bar.
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  Speaker 2: I knew there was no way Joe brows and let
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  Speaker 2: him kick that ball again. If he got the ball back,
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  Speaker 2: I was like that man just had rage in his eyes. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a game that was really fun as it better, but sucked. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like losing that a scrucinally that way.
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  Speaker 3: It was brutal.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like that fourth and one to Mims,
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  Speaker 2: me and you again, we're dead A thousand times. That
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  Speaker 2: was what a five percent chance of working out for us?
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  Speaker 2: A fourth and one, eight seconds left touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: It was absurd.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting? So have you ever driven on
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  Speaker 1: the Major Degan Expressway leaving Manhattan?
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  Speaker 3: I probably have. Everyone's just got maps though, it's just
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  Speaker 3: all it's all.
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  Speaker 1: Good, dangerous, tortuous roadway in the United States. It is
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  Speaker 1: it is daytime, only every driver is on their phone
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  Speaker 1: while blindfolded, and it was raining. And as we passed
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  Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium, Zach Taylor was inexplicably going for the touchdown
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  Speaker 1: at the end of regulation, so running out the clock
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  Speaker 1: to kick a field goal, and he had multiple chances
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  Speaker 1: to like run the ball, run out the clock. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like they were just at the goal line like
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  Speaker 1: they had, you know, first and ten with a minute
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  Speaker 1: twenty from like the seventeen yard line. And at one
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  Speaker 1: point We're just listening to the game on the radio,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm not even watching. Right At one point, my
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  Speaker 1: wife very kindly, very sweetly says to me, Hey, how's
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  Speaker 1: your football going? And that was right about when Zach
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  Speaker 1: Taylor and Joe Burrow scored the touchdown. There was about
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  Speaker 1: a minute twenty left. Yeah, I wanted like, of course,
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  Speaker 1: I said to her, Oh, it's so fun. What I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do was drive the car into the median
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  Speaker 1: and say, if Zach Taylor doesn't bleed this clock, I
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  Speaker 1: am gonna freaking lose it. I just script the wheel.
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  Speaker 1: I said, it's fine. And then you know what, as
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  Speaker 1: soon as the Bangal scored that touchdown, you say it's
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  Speaker 1: a five percent chance. I thought to myself, you get
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  Speaker 1: what you deserve, Zach Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I said too.
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  Speaker 1: The Bengals have a terrible defense and gave the Broncos
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time and a timeout to do exactly
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  Speaker 1: what they did. I agree with you on this though,
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  Speaker 1: like how many times can we miraculously lose win and
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  Speaker 1: lose win and lose a game? There was so much
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  Speaker 1: clock management, fuck cups by Taylor. Sean Payton wasn't at
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  Speaker 1: his best either, Like did not put his team in
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  Speaker 1: a position to hold on to the ball, run the clock.
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  Speaker 1: They couldn't stop t Higgins. This wanted defense everyone loves so.
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  Speaker 2: Dember would I have had one first down and overtime
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  Speaker 2: they win, They win or tie the game basically, And
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: that's that was his reason. Charan Payton said he didn't
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  Speaker 2: go for two there when you know normally anyone would
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  Speaker 2: go for two is because all they needed was a
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  Speaker 2: tie to make the playoffs in that spot. So I
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: got his logic, but man like, if we went out
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: through the plays he called in that overtime, I think
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  Speaker 2: you had four running plays and two passing plays. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's not going down trying to win the game.
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  Speaker 2: That was trying to play it safe and play for
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  Speaker 2: a tie. And that's why they lost that game. That
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  Speaker 2: that that was just you know, if ever don't make
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs, that's that's the big game is going to stand. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: they have the matchup next week against Carson Wentz, but
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  Speaker 2: that game was there for them to steal the Bengals,
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  Speaker 2: like we just said, they're their defense played really good
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  Speaker 2: and that really well in that game.
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  Speaker 3: Then just gave it up at the very end there, and.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, brutal loss because it just felt like we were
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  Speaker 2: in go too and oh instead, like you just said
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  Speaker 2: one on one to start our picks this week.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that's sort of for these picks, like
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  Speaker 1: it's set off off on a bad path because the
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  Speaker 1: next game Carolina plus eight and a half of Tampa.
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  Speaker 1: By this more shortly after we put in the picks,
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  Speaker 1: Shuba Hubbard out for the year, j C. Horn out. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we got it eight and a half. As you said,
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  Speaker 1: it got up to ten. Like you know, we were
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  Speaker 1: kind of never in it the we were from the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: like they traded touchdowns. Then the Bucks twenty straight points,
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty seven yards in the first half,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty two yards rushing. Baker was sixteen
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  Speaker 1: of twenty with three passing touchdowns. They had forty four plays.
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  Speaker 1: The Panthers had twenty plays. What was encouraging to me
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  Speaker 1: was they're down twenty seven to seven, and in two
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  Speaker 1: drives in the final eighty one seconds they looked great,
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  Speaker 1: like they's seventy one seconds. They had a driver where
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  Speaker 1: they went five plays in twenty one seconds, scored a touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: The next drive they went four plays and twenty yards,
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  Speaker 1: missed the field goal, and I'm like, okay, second half,
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  Speaker 1: we'll have settled. We're going to compete. You know, when
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: you got an eight and a half point number, you
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  Speaker 1: got a shot at twenty seven to fourteen. Then they
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: went out in a lot of no, three hundred freaking
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  Speaker 1: yards and like another one hundred and fifty yards in
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  Speaker 1: the ground, and the three touchdowns to Baker, they gave
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  Speaker 1: up a block putt punt for a touchdown. I guess
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  Speaker 1: the good news here, Simon. After next week, we do
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  Speaker 1: not have to talk about the Panthers anymore until next season.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna miss him, because, honestly, I felt proud about
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  Speaker 2: Brady Shung and the Panthers in.
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  Speaker 3: That first half.
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  Speaker 2: They scored that touchdown, get the ball back, and he
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: makes a couple of huge, big time throws to Feeling
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  Speaker 2: and gets them into a position to get a field goal.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of that half, and yeah, they missed it,
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  Speaker 2: and he talked about a Baker second half deadly, like
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: that's the Baker that's I'm terrified to skate seeing the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs if he if he's on like that, he can't
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  Speaker 2: miss man, he just him and the wide receivers and
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  Speaker 2: they're in tune like that, obviously him and Mike Evans.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, if the run game's going with Bucky Irvin,
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  Speaker 2: they're they're really a terrifying offense. And Bryce s Young
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  Speaker 2: just laid an egg in that second half. Right, you
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  Speaker 2: never could get any consistent drives and they were just outclass.
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  Speaker 3: So yea, yeah, have all our bets this weekend. I'm
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  Speaker 3: assuming that's our worst bet.
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  Speaker 2: Like that was, like you said, dead on arrival, especially
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  Speaker 2: in that second half.
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  Speaker 3: They just had no push.
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  Speaker 2: We knew the deal, we knew the Panthers are an
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: awful defense. We had we just said that we believe
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  Speaker 2: that Brace would keep us in that game, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately he didn't. But yeah, it's just it's a bad
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  Speaker 2: team in Carolina and we saw the Bucks when they
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  Speaker 2: want to.
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  Speaker 3: Be they're one of the better teams in the NFC.
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  Speaker 1: So look the the lines for next week are actually
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  Speaker 1: starting to populate. I don't know if you've had a
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: chance to look at him yet. I see him starting
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• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Because I had the Packers, you had the Vikings. This
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: was our first head to head of the year, and
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: boy did the Packers just shit the freaking bad huh?
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  Speaker 1: Like that was Sam Donald looked all world. Tom Brady
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: was just in love with Sam Donald today and he
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: looked pretty amazing. And the Packers looked pretty terrible on
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: defense until well, they never stopped looking bad on defense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jed, I once with you.
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  Speaker 2: I once did not believe in Sam Donald, but I
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: went to rehabit, I got clean, and I found my savior.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Sam Donald. Never had doubt Sammy d No, It's exactly
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: what I talked about. I just something about Jordan love.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I just didn't trust and I fell like in that game.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying they didn't trust him either, but there's
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of times they just simply ran the ball.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know what if they're trying to go for
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: ball control or whatever they're trying to do, but never
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: let him Jordan Love get into a rhythm where Sam
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Donald he had thirty pass attempts like midway through the
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: third quarter in twenty completions, Like they let him really
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: cut it loose and they put it on his shoulders.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And yeah, obviously the turnovers no by the Vikings end
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: of the game let Green Bay get back into it.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: But overall they really dominated that game. And you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: we talked about coming into the reason I love that
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Vikings team was I just felt like Sam Donald had
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: been playing in these big moments and living up to
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: the moments, and he did it again in this game
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: where all the momentum had flipped. There's two eighteen left
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: in the clock and Sam Donald as the ball and
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: basically Green Bay is three timeouts in the two minute
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: and he just needs to pick up one or two
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: and he stepped up. Man, It's like crazy, he just
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: keeps stepping up in these big moments. It's it really
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: is something special in the Vikings. You know, I've owned
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: it all season, I do added them did not see
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: this coming and yeah that like I was just struggle
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: with chat before he came on. I basically bet three
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: teams come in last place. One was Tennessee, one was
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: New England, the chalkiest one. I think they were a
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: favorite to be last place. And then one was the Vikings,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: which every time I look in and see that ticket when
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: I opened up my features books, it cracks me up
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: that I even bet the Vikings that have the first
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: pick overall. So Sam Darnold, I just never saw it coming,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: and I finally started believing it when he's had a
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: couple of big wins this year. I mean that that
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: game last week against the Seahawks, that's a trap game,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: like that number moved to two and a half. The
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: books were getting tons of money. They shouldn't have covered
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: that and won that game out right, and he just
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: willed that team that final drive. And that's mainly my
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: major reason back in this week again, the numbers backed
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: it up. I had them as minus one to have favorite.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: They literally by two, like a land right on the number.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: And you know, han't had too many wins this year
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: backing these home teams when they become a dog because
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: at one point there plus one and a half this
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Minnesota team, and then I think you saw the same
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: as I did when they announced jy R.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Alexander was out. That number did flip.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I think because of that, because how great he plays
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: against stuffrags Jefferson.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: He saw it today. It was a huge deal.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Like even if you want to say Joe Jefferson have
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: a great game, he's still in those big moments through
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: it to him. So yeah, it's it's seriously surreal sitting
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: here and being like Minnesota right now as a two
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: point dog. Next week is going to Detroit has a
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: chance to be the number one seed. It's fucking insane.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: It's bonkers. I have been a huge Kevin O'Connell fan.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I have asked this question on the podcast a bunch
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and that line is moving, by the way. Detroit's up
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to what was I say, two three minus three right now,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about that in a minute.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I'm still two and a half a Donkey Kong. I
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: won't say the book's name, but you know I know it.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: So we've loved Kevin O'Connell. He's been great for three
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: years now, and I didn't.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Respect him, didn't give enough respect. You definitely wrong on it,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: but I wasn't there, but now.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Sure worked wonders with yeh wow, he's just But even
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: even in this game, I trusted Lafleur more than I
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: trusted Kevin O'Connell, and I think it's because of Darnold,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and I think I got bit by it for sure.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: You know, Lafloor going forward on that fourth down instead
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: of kicking the field goal. Jordan Love didn't throw an
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: accurate pass, and that was as soon as that happened,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I think it's over, Like I wasn't though.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: That's the craziest part. Like literally came down to two
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: first downs.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like then you're in desperation instead of being
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: like in a spot where I think they could have
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: played toe to toe, head to head, and like they
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: weren't trying to claw back points. They were, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: desperate at the end of the game when Minnesota was
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: clearly letting up. And then when Minnesota had to have
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: two first downs, they got two first downs against the defense.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: They couldn't stop them the entire game.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: The Spreen Bay needed it, though they were being talked
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: about like they were other than the Eagles, they were
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: the other team really being hyped up right now coming
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: down n FC, and I think that brings a lot
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: of people like just back down to earth where they
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: are good. But I think something's been missing all season,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and that game definitely magnified it. Like you said, jordanal
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Love did nothing until that fourth quarter, nada.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Nothing, Uh, truly astonishing the way the favorites continue sickening shed.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I hate it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I hate it so much.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: It's so frustrating because it's like it's just boring. It's
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: just boring, and.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: It's like, if you for this laziest better like we
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: talk about, it's just been money, money, money, money, you
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: just yeah, why wouldn't you bet Josh Allen today? Wouldn't
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: you bet the Eagles against the Cowboys. Why wouldn't you
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: bet these huge favorites. It's just been let me say,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: cover machine even in Miami, even Miami covered in a
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: blout against Cleveland, Like it's just unbelievable.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: But look at this every single game this week twenty
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: nine to ten, Kansas City Baltimore thirty one to two.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Forget about the Seahawks and the Bears, The Chargers forty
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to seven, Cincinnati, Great Game, La wins by four opening number,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Terrible Game Buffalo forty to fourteen, Las Vegas twenty five
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to ten, The Giants, Good game, Tampa Bay by thirty
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: four points, Jacksonville, Tennessee Terrible game Philadelphia by.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Think that was another favorite that won uncovered.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: At though Miami by seventeen points. Like, there were four
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: good games over the span of five days of football,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: so incredibly frustrating to watch it now.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: If you bet this is the dream.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm happy for people not like us that
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: like the sports books. I can't wait to see what
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: their numbers are come the end of the year. Like
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: the teasers, all of it is just coming through.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: You know what's bad When you're starting to think if
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: if October forced publicly traded operators to talk about losing
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars because of customer friendly outcomes,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: none of that has stopped.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: It's just got worse.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: It's gotten worse and worse and worse. Congratulations to you,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Congratulations to all Eagles fans. Saquon Barkley two thousand and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: three yards. They've won the division. They did it today
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: with some guy named McKean and and a combination of
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: him and Kenny Pickett and the Cowboys sort of losing
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: their they lost their will. They just sort of did
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: right like Cooper Rosh did his best. They didn't have
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the horses, don't have the talent, don't have the players.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: They did the best they could over the past six weeks.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But we worried, like we grabbed the Cowboys, you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: at plus eight, because we were worried about Jalen Hurtz.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Turns out nobody needed to be worried about Jalen Hurts.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: We also said we thought the Eagles would defense scared
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: us a little bit because they'd want to come back
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and prove it, and that's what they did. How do
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: you feel.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: The dream season? Honestly, like the two teams I hate
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the most. Cowboys the Giants had just a train wreck
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: of the season.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Giants.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: On the same day we win our division, our biggest
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: win against the Cowboys since most points were scored against Cowboys,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: biggest blow we've had against them in sixteen years, first
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: time we've swept them since twenty eleven. Same game, we
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: have the ninth running back in the NFL history, Saquon
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Barkle to get over with two thousand yards. Giants lose
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the number one pick and they won't get the quarterback
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: they won hopefully. Oh my god.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: It was Honestly, the Eagles fan was one of the
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: best days.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: And you know the deal, unless you have a ton
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: of luck or mahomes, you're not winning the fucking super Bowl.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: It's just the way it is. So you have to
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: enjoy these moments. It's so hard to win in this
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: league and be good. And last year, honestly took me
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: like four months to get over that collapse with that
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Eagles team.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: It was just the worst way to go out, losing
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And yeah, the fact that this team is probably the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: most complete team right now the NFC.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, we literally not that we want to play
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: with our backup.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: So the fact that you can put up forty points
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: with your second and then third stringing quarterback against the
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Cowboys team that's not terrible.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: But they did roll over and die today.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It was just an amazing feeling, Like I fucking hate
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the Cowboys. So the fact that they have a train
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: wreck of a season. We killed the Boys and the
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: two seed. It's a nice spot like I've seen My
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: dream scenario is Minnesota wins next week and they get
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: the one seed. Let Detroit come to Philly for a
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: night game outdoors. That's my dream scenario, going to going
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: to Detroit as Detroit's the one seed. I'll be honest,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: it's scariest how to think about It's scary. Yeah, Gifford,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: you were in diapers last time the Cowboys made a
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of here, Cowboys.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I'm in is responding to the quote in the chat
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: from our cowboy loving producer Gifford, who just said, a
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: fucking parade being thrown for beating Cooper Rush. This is
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: what it's like sports, and.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: From now on, please refer to me that as Gifford.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just a great day. The fact that
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: you beat a divisional team.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I love all the NFL does. It just stacks all
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the divisional games end of the year. And it's just
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the same thing we just saw in that Minnesota Green
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Bay game. Like usually those are the dog fights when
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you're in a divisional game. So to get easy win
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: like that win the vision.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: As an Eagles fan chat, I'm ryan hig. I've been
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: drinking all day. Really, I don't drink for our show.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: But it's it's just so hard to win the division
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: and it feels so good just to be a two
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: C with a chance at a super Bowl.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I'm so depressed about these favorites continuing to win on us,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: continuing to bet underdogs that I almost ate sugar today.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: That's how upset I am. Almost.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: We're still tinging bullets though as bad as it could be.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: We dodged the Saints, we dodged Tennessee, we dodged Green Bay.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: So it's like, that's that's sure, one and four. We
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: still have a chance of three and two. Brother, that's right, and.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: We dodged we dodged the Cowboys, Like yeah, yeah, Should
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: we tell people about my dream on Friday night before
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: we get to the week eighteam.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, look to I love dream bets. I love it
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: so uh.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I've never had in
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: my life. It's a long life of passionate sports fandom,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: including a love for the Bears that has been reciprocated
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: on very rare occasions. Okay, I've never had a dream
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: about a team winning a game. I don't know what's
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: going on because on Friday Night, I dreamt the New Saints,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: We're going to win today, and I remember the very
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: specific I remember the very specific moment in the dream.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: It's not like I dreamt about the whole game. It's
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: like I was somewhere or something, and then all of
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a sudden, I got like in my head the visual
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: of the Saints winning, and then it was gone. It
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: was like just a fleeting moment, and either in my dream.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I talked about it so much this week that it
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: implanted and embedded and came out in the dream. But
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: even then, even then, I held off on betting that
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: game until about ten fifty nine this morning before we
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: went out air for convinced me, and Raybaund said one
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: thing that was like, yeah, totally makes sense. Plus the
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Raiders were delayed until you know, four am this morning,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: so of course you want to bet the Saints today.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So I pulled the trigger. Simon for a minute, you
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: were a believer, yeah, And I.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Told you I had to bet it.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: You give me a dream, bet I'm going to bet
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: it because I unfortunately I rarely dream so and when
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I do dream, it's just horrible, horrible nightmare. So when
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: you came to me with a dream bet that hopefully
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: it was gonna be a winner. I'm all in, so
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: we'll keep track of this. All one went on dream bets. Yeah,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: not ideal, but not dreams.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: That is too funny. That's great. Well we got to
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: talk about some Week eighteen games. It's such a weird week,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Like I don't really even know where to begin. What
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: are you seeing?
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Can you guys tell me? I'm looking all over for
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: the Saturday game. Who is Thisaturday game?
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I don't We don't know yet.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Oh so the NFL is gonna decide. That's why it's
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: not in the schedule yet.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nothing is decided. It's all nobody knows where
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: they're playing, or nobody knows what time they're playing or
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: what day they're playing. Yet we don't know.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: So like a normal week, I'll put down a couple.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: It depends. Week eighteen. I can get really weird with it.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I might hammer some lines tonight, just just be just
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: off of what might happen with who might be sitting,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: who might be playing. I'm trying to get ahead of
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the lines.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm also trying to think about who might
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: still have something that they absolutely have to play for,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and who are they playing that doesn't have anything to
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: play for? And normally you'd want to smash the team
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: that has nothing to play for, but this year it
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: feels like you want to you want to go all
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: in on the team that does. And like I'm looking
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: at the Chargers minus five and a half on the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: road against Las Vegas Raiders, coming off two straight wins.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: They're still going to keep be trying. But do you
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: see Jim Harbaugh not trying in a game.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: The sliding glass doors of Lad McConkie going to the
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Patriots and the Patriots not taking him their trade down
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: instead and the Chargers step in and take Lad.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Talk about finding something special right now with him.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: And Herbert like yeah, right, they're really in the kitchen.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Had three touchdowns in that game, So I'm with you.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Chargers.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: They're a team that they dominate bad teams, and we
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: talked about that's why we looked against the Patriots, and yeah,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: interesting that they opened that at sixth though, Like that.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Is five and a half now, So it came down
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: a little bit, and I.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Was gonna say, let's give him respect to this Raiders
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: team after obviously two big wins, you know, after last
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: year we saw it. Tony Pierce had these guys fired
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: up then the season, so maybe that's his deal. He's
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: a bad coach for three months and then the last two.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: You can figure it out. But yeah, I join you
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: on that. I take fine, baffle the Chargers.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: What about this is this is gonna be a good one.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati to two point favorite over the Steelers. I'm all
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: in on the Bengals at this point.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: I'll join you with I'll definitely join you on it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: But man, this is truly Russian roulette here. At this point,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: It's like, isn't this finally the spot? Are we really
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: betting on Tomlin.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: To lose four straight?
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Because that's what this would be, right, Yeah, this would
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: before straight, I believe so and everything dog.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: We'd be fading Tomlin raw Raye as a dog. I
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: would not recommend, I would not recommend anybody go heavy
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: on these games.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I think the reads correct though, to honesty, chat on
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: this one, to grab this number now, because this, to
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: me will go up.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I think so too. Oh. I'm just saying like yeah,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: like we always do, but I want to emphasize it.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Little tastes like bet the direction you think the line
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: is going, to go. Don't go your full unit on
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: these games. I liked I like Cincinnati in this spot.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I think Joe Burrow has this team REVVD. This defense
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: is terrible, but we just haven't seen anything from the
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Steelers offense in the past month that makes us feel
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: like they can actually do something to the Bengals that
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: will turn this game into something that is out of
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: reach for the Bengals to win the way they need
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: to win in order to make the playoffs.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: This is the perfect defense. So for Russ Wilson to
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: get right against.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Every it's the perfect defense for every If you look.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: At the last three teams you played, that was a gauntlet,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Like this is Cincinnati Bengals defense. We're talking like they
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: stayed terrible, terrible defense.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: But I agree with that. Betting the Bengals here to
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: me is just about the number. This to me is
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: a good number. It's just two. Like if this was three,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I could be talked.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Into the Pittsburgh But at two, to me, you're making
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the right read here that this is this is where
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: you should put the early money.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: We know Detroit Minnesota is going to be a game
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: where everyone's going all out. Line is three right now.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: But like I said, there's two and a halfs out there,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: and that's like I want to take the lines at
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: two and a half.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Like to me, that's that's.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Where I want to be at once you get up
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: to three, same thing, like I am happy to take
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Minnesota at three. This this just feels like a field
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: goal game, like a divisional game. It's a playoff game,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: and these guys are.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: All going to be so tight.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: We just saw today like Green Bay never should have
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: came back and that spot. We see weird things happen
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: these divisional games. Team just get so tight towards the
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: end of it. So it's all about the number. Even
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: though I usually I take two and a half with
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the dog, I mean the book that is very telling
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: them open this two and a half.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: That is a ton of respect to this Vikings team.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: But to me, once again, this is the disrespect to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: this this Detroit team, where yes they're missing guys defensively,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: this offense is an absolute juggernaut. If they have the
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: ball last this game's tied, we're getting three with this
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Detroit team or we're winning by field goals. So that
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: to me, just that number feel is right. Two and
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: a half that's where the value is. If you want
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: to take Minnesota, just wait grab the three.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I was really looking forward to seeing the number on
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Denver and Kansas City because we know Carson Wentz is
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: going to be the quarterback. We know they're going to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: be sitting a lot of starters. That number. That number
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: is seven and a half. The Broncos are favored by
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: seven and a half even playing Carson Wentz and sitting
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: a bunch of starters. I mean, you got to play
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: somebody for Kansas City, and so that number feels high
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: It feels high, especially because.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: This Denver team, not that bon Knicks isn't hasn't played
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: well down the stretch here, but he definitely is not
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: consistent like he was earlier in the season, right and
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: they like we saw it against that Cincinnati team.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: He had two or three three and outs in the.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: First half and they basically had the ball I think
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: four possessions total, maybe three possessions total.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like like you just said, we know the Chiefs.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: It's not just the Mahomes that's the magic of that team.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: It's the coaching staff. And they still have the coaches there.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: They still have to play a field team, right, they
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: have fifty three guys, they're gonna make it work finding
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: the twenty two to put on the field. So you
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: said they're gonna set a lot of important veterans. Obviously
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Denver's line is gonna be Wentz in the hell like that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: We know that the Chiefs offensive line starters.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Aren't that good.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine what their backups are like. But I
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: think what you're basically touching on is it's seven and
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: a half. Like, Okay, if it goes up at meachag
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: get burned here, we don't need to put more money
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: on it, but just opening number, I would take the
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: seven and a half.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: That just feels a little too high.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Too much respect for this Denver's team.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: The last one we got to talk about Carolina Panthers
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: seven and a half on the road at Atlanta. I
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: do think they missed Chewba Hubbard today. Their run game
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: was not nearly as effective. But the problem with this
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: team was really their defense. I mean, I don't think
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: they were playing defense. Every receiver was wide open. Bucky
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Irving were getting six, seven, eight yards before he would
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: be tackled. If that's what the Bucks did, the Falcons
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: run game, which is so much better. Like, I feel
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: like we need to talk about the Panthers because we've
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: talked about him every week. But I'm not interested in
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: that line right now.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: No, Like, you're right, I'm very tempted. You're I think
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: you're right that I don't. I don't want to touch
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: it yet, though I like you. I know you're coming
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: from this Panthers team today just hurt, Like they.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Just hurt so much.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: They totally rolled over in that second half. So smart,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: smart by the book hanging the seven and a half.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: It's it's incredibly tempted, especially if Atlanta pulls off the
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: upset tonight. Just quickly, we'll get up to eight and
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: a half, nine I'm sure by kickoff.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: And then then we'll take the Panthers. By the way, uh,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Denver is all of a sudden up to nine against
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Kansas City.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: So that shows you that we were dead wrong on
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: that professional money like money likes to fade.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Carson Wentz in that backup.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Any games, any games that I didn't mention that immediately
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: stuck out to you. Kind of not knowing a ton
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: about who's playing.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Yet finally, after I think ten weeks I ain't taking
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Tennessee minus four and a half against Houston. That's just
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Houston is horrible. They're gonna be playing all their backups.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I know how bad this Tennessee team is, but this
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: is still their starters. So it's their stars going against
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: a really bad backup Houston team. That the only reason
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: they've even been competitive this year is because of guys
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: like Roy Anderson and c J. Stroud obviously, so they're
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: just terrible. I think Evan tweeted out, they set the
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: record today, right? Is it two and fourteen Evan against
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the spread?
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Give me give me ten to see you one
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: last time. I can't help it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know about you, and I know that
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: it's it's probably too too raw for you to take.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Actually it's probably not. Would you take fourteen Saints against
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: the Bucks?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I would. I was looking at that. Uh, Spencer,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: they don't have any players, is the problem? Like they
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: really don't. They like the Saints. Spencer Rattler. He tried
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: his hardest today and he was confident. He put them
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: in a position to score some points. But they have nobody,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: like literally nobody who can make a play on that team.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: They don't have a dynamic running back. They don't have
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: any dynamic receivers. Juwan Johnson is a tight end is okay,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: but not great. Cam Jordan is eighty five years old.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: He's really their only defensive playmaker other than Tarn Matthew,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: who's also eighty five years old. So the challenge is
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: what are the Bucks going to be doing? They're probably
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: gonna have to play for it. And we saw what
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Baker did today. You know he's on a roll right now.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: So it's not I'm not feeling burned by the Saints.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: If I didn't want to bet anybody who I've been
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: burned by, I would just quit because of this being
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: that kind of season. But I like, they don't have
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: any players. They've been playing their backups the way the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Chiefs are, the way the Texans will be. Yeah, they've
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: been doing that for a month. So I just don't
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: know how they're going to score any points, all right,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I'm wrong
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: every week now.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite another one of my favorite gross dogs,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Giants plus four at Philly. Come on, please Eagles lose
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: that game. Let the Giants he get him in better
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: a draft pick but Drew Locke when he's on, he's
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: on like today that first half, I think he one
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty yards and three touchdowns, and it wasn't
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: even so much about him, It was just about Neighbors.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: And apparently Neighbors is playing for some records here, he's
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: chasing brock Barer's reception record. Yeah, and I just love
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: that whole I love the mood of this Giant team
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: coming to this game, like it doesn't feel like they're
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: trying to lose, obviously, and the fact that this is
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: plus four, this has to go down like this is
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: gonna drop. Eagles are not going to play anybody. A
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: bunch of the guys already said all the Vets are
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: getting rest days pretty much, and I know a lot
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: of Eagles fans were hoping that Sakwan would go for
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: the record. I think he seems like he's content getting
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: the two thousand yard mark. He could use a user
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: rest week, So this is just trying to get ahead
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: of the number. Plus four just feels like way way
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: too high for an Eagles team that's probably been playing
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: their third stringer. I don't think they will play Kenny Pickett,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: who got banged up in this game.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Kudos to uh Nick Giffen who talked about this game
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: and taking the Giants and extolling the virtues of Drew Locke.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: He didn't say it was a good quarterback. He just
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: said he wasn't as bad as he has been playing
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: based on the numbers. And I laughed and laughed and laughed.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you're so optimistic, young man, my son, and
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: he nailed it. Drew Locke played exactly the way Nick
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Giffen was going to play. I don't mind that one.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: That feels like a fun one to do. We'll definitely
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: have to have a conversation about that. The games that
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: we will probably like take a little taste of, I'd
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: probably take the Chargers, you said Tennessee and the Giants.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Well about your boy Mitch Trubisky for Buffalo against New England.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Hold on the Bengals. Also, I want to take a
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: little taste. What's the number in that miss Trubisky game
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: and a half? He's pretty bad, though, very very about today.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I think he did it for relief.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: He did, but you know it was like he threw
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: a screen and then a guy ran, you know, fifty yards.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Some guy named Shavers. I'm sure Matt Mitchell knows everything about.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: His Jeh, time will start it.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: You think they'll start it though, Matt Mitchell and then
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: just come out after the first snap?
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Or I think so yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I think he'll play a series three handoffs.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: You know, he's a man.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Mis Trubisky goes in, Were they playing again?
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: I just lost it New England Patriots.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: That's right, I don't know. I also feel like Patriots
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: want to get as much goodwill in Drake May's head
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: as he can get. And this was not a very
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: good game against the Chargers, and if the Bills are
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: packing it in, there's a chance for him to play
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: decently against the defense that was already pretty bad. Anyways, true,
• 43:38
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