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Blac Chyna vs. Rob Kardashian & did dad shoot daughter? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph
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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Black China was granted a restraining
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Speaker 1: order against ex fiance Rob kardashi You would like to
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Speaker 1: thank you, Jess for granting me this restraint to order
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Speaker 1: to protect me, and I'm just going to get back
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Speaker 1: to co parenting dreams. Rob has been ordered to stay
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Speaker 1: away from China and is not allowed to post any
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Speaker 1: photos of her on social media. It was like a
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Speaker 1: huge weight was lifted off of her shoulders. She's not
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Speaker 1: trying to start a war, abuse, batings, punching a mom
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Speaker 1: in front of her little boy, threatening gun, violence, revenge, porn.
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Speaker 1: What you know I'm talking about Rob Kardashian and girlfriend
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Speaker 1: Black China. It was just photographed all smiles. After being
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Speaker 1: granted a restraining order after or her claims, Rob Kardashian
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Speaker 1: punches her in front of her little boy and threatens
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Speaker 1: to kill himself with a gun. Black China, celebrity in
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Speaker 1: her own right, appears in court early in the morning
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Speaker 1: with her lawyer and was given a t r O
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Speaker 1: against Rob Kardashian. Kardashian has joint custody of their child,
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Speaker 1: a little girl named dream who was with her father
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Speaker 1: at the time of the hearing. Now the woman at
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Speaker 1: is she? Black China claims in an interview that Rob
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Speaker 1: Kardashian physically abused her in April of this year, but
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Speaker 1: she is just coming forward now why. She also claims
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Speaker 1: in court papers filed that she is quote terrified of Kardashian.
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Speaker 1: Hold on. It's also reported in December, Black China choked
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Speaker 1: Kardashian with a phone cord and destroyed thirty five thousand
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Speaker 1: and dollars with the property in his home. What in
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Speaker 1: the hate is going on with me? To sort it
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Speaker 1: all out? A friend and colleague from daily mail dot
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Speaker 1: Com Sean Walt, Sean, help me, help me understand this?
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Speaker 1: If she is afraid of Rob kardashi and you know
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Speaker 1: I always always sighed with a victim. I know Rob Kardashian,
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Speaker 1: or at least think I do, because we did Dancing
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Speaker 1: with the Stars together. I never saw a mean bone
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Speaker 1: in his body. But I'm on the outside looking in.
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Speaker 1: But if she's afraid of him, didn't didn't she send
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Speaker 1: him taunting photos of herself in their bed wearing jewelry
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Speaker 1: that he purportedly had given her. While she's making out
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Speaker 1: with another guy, Nancy, It's nice to be with you,
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Speaker 1: and yes she did. What happened was don't try to
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Speaker 1: butter me up with niceties. Okay, just tell me what's
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Speaker 1: These are very serious allegations, serious allegations, and I mean
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Speaker 1: you can see that they have been taken very seriously.
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Speaker 1: In fact, when his attorney, who appeared for him today,
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Speaker 1: the famous Robert Shapiro, was in court, he even apologized
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Speaker 1: for Mr Kardashian and said that he wanted to put
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Speaker 1: this matter behind him and move forward for the sake
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Speaker 1: of their child. But there was a lot of drama
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Speaker 1: leading up to this moment. Nancy wait, who apologized to
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Speaker 1: hell Robert Shapiro. You know Robert Shapiro very well, Nancy
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Speaker 1: from the o J sip, Yes I do, Yes, I do.
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Speaker 1: He was appearing in court for Robert Kardashian and um
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Speaker 1: he said that he agreed to stipulate to the terms
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Speaker 1: of the restraining order, but he also apologized for Kardashian
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Speaker 1: regarding everything that has happened that we have watched played
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Speaker 1: out over the last week. Explained to me something I
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Speaker 1: didn't even understand what they were talking about. The first
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Speaker 1: time I heard the turn term revenge porn, and frankly,
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Speaker 1: the first time I saw it was and the Daily
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Speaker 1: Mail that revenge porn is when you're in a committed
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Speaker 1: relationship with someone and you and your partner will film
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Speaker 1: intimate acts together or take photographs, and then upon the
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Speaker 1: completion of that relationship, one partner who was in possession
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Speaker 1: of those photographs or videos uses them to shame their x.
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Speaker 1: So this often happens onlines. This video or photograph is
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Speaker 1: used on social media to say, look, this is so,
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Speaker 1: and so this is what they did, and so what
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Speaker 1: Black China is alleging is what happened to her last
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Speaker 1: week that when Rob Kardashian believed his relationship was over,
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Speaker 1: he posted intimate pictures of Black China on his social
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Speaker 1: media account, the first account he posted it on with Instagram. Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on, number one, ladies, please hear me. Don't let
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Speaker 1: anybody take naked pictures of you, please, man, nobody wants
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Speaker 1: to see your naked pictures to start with. And I
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Speaker 1: think I speak on behalf of a lot of people,
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Speaker 1: but ladies, please, please don't do it. All right, that
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Speaker 1: said that said, you know some guy ask you to
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Speaker 1: take a picture and they could just say, you know what,
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Speaker 1: just keep that snapshot in your mind and keep it
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Speaker 1: a secret. That will make it even more special. Okay,
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Speaker 1: nobody knows about it, but you. Whatever happened to? Just memories, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: Just memories, distant memories for people with twins, came very
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Speaker 1: distant memories. But why is a black China famous? What?
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Speaker 1: Why is she famous? So Black China is famous because
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Speaker 1: she used to date Tiger now Tiger, Oh, this is
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Speaker 1: really getting weird. Didn't he date Kardashian sister convoluted family train? Yes,
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Speaker 1: that's correct. And she had a baby with him, Paul Tiger. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you said Tiger t I g e R. It's night Tiger,
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Speaker 1: it's Tiger. I think it's my acting. Get with it, Sean,
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Speaker 1: or you won't be with it much longer. So they
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Speaker 1: had they had a baby together. No, she was famous
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Speaker 1: before that, Sean. She had to be famous before that.
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Speaker 1: She had an interesting career in entertainment. You might say, no,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. That could mean a
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Speaker 1: lot entertainment. What do you mean by entertainment? She was
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Speaker 1: a stripper? I believe that. Well, we just whispered she
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Speaker 1: was a stripper. Is that you allen, do you whispering
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Speaker 1: in my ear st? She was a stripper who then
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Speaker 1: let's say, transitioned into what they call urban modeling, and
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Speaker 1: she was on these magazine covers and then she started
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Speaker 1: making a transition into music videos as the featured dancer
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Speaker 1: in music video. She was a double in a video
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Speaker 1: for Nicki Minaj, Love Nicki Minaj, And I guess you
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Speaker 1: guys know, I got to make Nicki Minaj when I
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Speaker 1: was a so called judge on a show Swift Justice,
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Speaker 1: and Nicki Minaj was a litigant before me, and you'll
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Speaker 1: be happy to know I ruled in her favor and
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Speaker 1: took a picture with her. Okay, go ahead. So she
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Speaker 1: then then Drake name dropped her, uh in a in
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Speaker 1: a song in a rap song. Then other people name
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Speaker 1: dropped her, and hey, the rest is history. And then
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Speaker 1: she met Tiger's famous in her own right. I get
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Speaker 1: it now. I want to look at the the lawyer here, Shapiro,
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Speaker 1: very well known lawyer, very good lawyer, even killed, very
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Speaker 1: even killed. Now this is how I know Shapiro, not
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Speaker 1: just from O. J. Simpson's case, but I had a
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Speaker 1: program with Johnny Cochrane. God rest his soul, and through
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Speaker 1: Cochrane met Shapiro. Of course I was boiling just beneath
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Speaker 1: the surface because I blamed all of them about O. J.
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Speaker 1: Simpson getting off. But Shapiro and Rob Kardashian's father were
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Speaker 1: very good friends before Kardashian's father passed away. So that
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Speaker 1: is how Kardashian is in on this. Now that we've
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Speaker 1: got all that straight the family tree, so to speak,
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Speaker 1: let me understand what the allegations are, Sean, Okay, So
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Speaker 1: there are a few things going on here. Um, she
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Speaker 1: was very concerned that she was being cyber bullied. So
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Speaker 1: the reason she got this temporary restraining order? What cyber bullied?
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Speaker 1: You know when you taught Australian like that, I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure exactly what you're saying. You gotta slow it down
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Speaker 1: for him a little bit, okay, claiming it's like it
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Speaker 1: sounds like a British accent on crap. Please say that again.
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Speaker 1: Tell me the China's went to court to apply for
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Speaker 1: a temporary restraining order because she was being cyber bullied
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Speaker 1: by Rob Kudashian. Now, this all stemmed from the incident
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Speaker 1: that occurred last week Nancy, where Rob was on his
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Speaker 1: Instagram account relaying the details of his relationship and why
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Speaker 1: he had broken up with Black China. Now, when he
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Speaker 1: went through that, he posted some very personal images of
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Speaker 1: China's body parts. I don't think there was a body
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Speaker 1: part he didn't post online. And then on top of that,
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Speaker 1: he posted a video that Black China had sent him
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Speaker 1: of her making out with another man in his bed.
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Speaker 1: So she sent that to him and he posted it
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Speaker 1: and he posted online. Now, she said the reason she
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Speaker 1: did that was that their relationship had been over since
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Speaker 1: the end of last year beginning of this year, and
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Speaker 1: that she just wanted him out of her life. So
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Speaker 1: she thought by sending him this video, he'd back off,
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Speaker 1: but the opposite happened. The video sent him over the edge.
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Speaker 1: He then started putting these posts up on social media,
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Speaker 1: I mean an Instagram even took the post down, and
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Speaker 1: then he transferred over to his Twitter account and started
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Speaker 1: making more posts there. So China said, enough, tell me
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Speaker 1: what the possible outcome is. I mean, if she wants
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Speaker 1: to pursue this civilly or criminally, it's going if it's true.
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Speaker 1: If it's true, it's going to be a very easy
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Speaker 1: matter improving it because if it's true, it would have
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Speaker 1: come from his account. If he denies that's from his account,
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Speaker 1: that can be forensically proven. Now, what would a jury
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Speaker 1: do if it went that far? Of course, I don't
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Speaker 1: think it is going to go that far. But if
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Speaker 1: it did, how would a jury respond to her sit
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Speaker 1: taunting him by sending him this video of her with
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Speaker 1: another man wearing Kardashian's jewelry he gave her in their bed.
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Speaker 1: He sends her the video and he posts it. I
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Speaker 1: don't think a jury in their right mind is gonna
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Speaker 1: convict on that. But the body parts are another thing,
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Speaker 1: you know, I I hear you. I mean, can you
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Speaker 1: imagine trying to find a jewelry that doesn't have one
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Speaker 1: person on there who hasn't been cheated on in the relationship? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but posting, I mean I don't. I don't think that
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Speaker 1: they would convict Kardashian on that. But as far as
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Speaker 1: showing naked photos of her that he took while they
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Speaker 1: were having a relationship, that's a whole. That's a whole, No,
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Speaker 1: a can of worms, right. I believe they would convict
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Speaker 1: on that, civil or criminal, And it's not going to
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Speaker 1: be difficult to prove So what's going to happen now?
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Speaker 1: Is this for real or is this a publicity stunt?
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Speaker 1: Is this a way to just get a civil settlement?
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Speaker 1: What do you think, Sean? You know, I do think
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Speaker 1: this is real, and um, I do think it's very serious.
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Speaker 1: And I think the fact that you have Robert Shapiro
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Speaker 1: apologizing outside on behalf of his clients, says that both
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Speaker 1: sides are taking this seriously, albeit China has taken it
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Speaker 1: very seriously, and that she's got two attorneys representing her
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Speaker 1: one of them. I would not accept that. If this
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Speaker 1: is true. I would want to hear from the horse's mouth. Now.
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Speaker 1: I know he won't apologize publicly because it would indicate guilt,
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Speaker 1: but I would want to hear him apologize now. That
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Speaker 1: would mean something to me. But she's got a great lawyer,
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Speaker 1: Lisa Bloom. That's Gloria Alread's daughter, so she learned from
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Speaker 1: the best and I worked with Lisa for a long
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Speaker 1: time at Court TV. So she's representing black China. You've
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Speaker 1: got Shapiro representing Kardashian. Sorry for me to imagine they
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Speaker 1: can't strike a deal in this which will involve a
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Speaker 1: lot of money. So what is Kardashian doing for a
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Speaker 1: living right now. I wanted him to go to law school.
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Speaker 1: I got a hold of him and his mother at
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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars. That didn't work out. Well. You know,
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Speaker 1: he's a soft designer, Nancy. So he designs his own
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Speaker 1: range of socks that you can buy through his social
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Speaker 1: media accounts. So I mean here he this has been
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Speaker 1: an ongoing storyline in the Cudashians for many years that
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Speaker 1: he was this stock designer and created his own socks.
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Speaker 1: So he's selling socks, So I think he's going to
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Speaker 1: need to sell a lot. Let's be looking at Okay,
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Speaker 1: I get the sock thing. I get it. What what
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Speaker 1: kind of gail time are we talking about? What kind
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Speaker 1: of money are we talking about? You know, that's all
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Speaker 1: up in the air. I mean I've read that in California.
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Speaker 1: It's it's I think it's six months probation and correct
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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Um, I think you're right. You know,
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Speaker 1: here's the other thing. How many times have we seen
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Speaker 1: a sex tape or photos like this actually relaunch or
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Speaker 1: launch someone's career before. I wonder how this whole thing
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Speaker 1: is going to play out. But I can tell you
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Speaker 1: what concerns me the most. No woman wants to have
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Speaker 1: naked photos of herself publicized in this manner. So if
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Speaker 1: this happened, if this happened, there's a very clear cut
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Speaker 1: case on this, if it's true. Because even though we
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Speaker 1: may not approve of some of the things Black China
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Speaker 1: has done, I don't I don't give a fig if
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Speaker 1: she stripped or not. But sending him videos of her
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Speaker 1: with another man and his jewelry in his bed, I
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Speaker 1: mean that could push him over the edge. But that
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Speaker 1: still does not justify him releasing these images. But what
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Speaker 1: bothers me the most post is the allegations he punched her.
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Speaker 1: That is a concern to me. There is, and you know,
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Speaker 1: there's allegations on both sides. Nancy, it seems like all
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Speaker 1: was not right in the House of Kardashian. China claims
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Speaker 1: that on April eighth this year, rob Kardashian, but that's
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Speaker 1: certainly putting perfume on the pig. All is not right
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Speaker 1: in the House of Kardashian. You don't write because he
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Speaker 1: accused her of choking him with a phone cord, and
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Speaker 1: it's during thirty five thousand dollars with the property which
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Speaker 1: he says was caught on surveillance video. Hello, yeah, which
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Speaker 1: I mean would all add to this. And then on
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Speaker 1: top of it, she says that in April this year,
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Speaker 1: he beat her in front of her four year old
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Speaker 1: son Ken Cairo and ripped a door off its hinges
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Speaker 1: as she rent to hide. So, I mean there's allegations
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Speaker 1: of violence. Okay, you know what, I've got a funny
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Speaker 1: feeling this will not be solved behind closed doors. Okay,
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Speaker 1: this will not be solved behind closed doors. But the
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Speaker 1: the the g to it. The takeaway in my mind,
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Speaker 1: is about abuse within a relationship. The alleged choking with
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Speaker 1: a phone cord, the alleged destruction of nearly fifty dollars
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Speaker 1: worth of property in the home, the allegations of punching,
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Speaker 1: punching and pulling out a gun and threats. It escalates.
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Speaker 1: And even though these people are famous, each in their
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Speaker 1: own right, they are both famous, they both have a
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Speaker 1: lot of money. The point is not that. The point
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Speaker 1: is when this is happening in your relationship, you have
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Speaker 1: to get out because it always escalates. It always escalates,
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Speaker 1: and your children are seeing all of this and they're
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Speaker 1: thinking that's the way people live. And then they grow
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Speaker 1: up and they do the same thing. And I'm saying this, Sean,
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Speaker 1: after all my years executing and all my years working
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Speaker 1: at the Battered Women's Center as a volunteer. It's a cycle,
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Speaker 1: and the children see it, and their children see it,
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Speaker 1: and it goes on and on and on, and I
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Speaker 1: want to stop it. It's tragic. Nancy with me, Sean
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Speaker 1: digging in the yard with his hands. The father calls
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Speaker 1: nine one one and says his daughter is twenty two
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Speaker 1: year old daughters Jelly McMullen had committed suicide. They raced
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Speaker 1: suicide by shooting, specifically, even less likely to commit suicide
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Speaker 1: by shooting in the face. Okay, so something isn't right here.
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Speaker 1: Her body was lying in the entry way of home
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Speaker 1: and it looked as if blood had been wiped up
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Speaker 1: in the kitchen. Okay, we're just scratching the surface here,
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Speaker 1: Alexis to rest Chuck way in so with the police
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Speaker 1: saying that as soon as they got to this house,
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Speaker 1: they thought that her dad that Caylee's dad wrong was suspicious.
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Speaker 1: They said he was covered in blood. But the thing
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Speaker 1: was well right though, Alexis. Hold on, before we go
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Speaker 1: any further, listen to this nine one one call where
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Speaker 1: Rodald McMullen tells police his daughter has shot herself in
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Speaker 1: the face. Listen your name in front of her term
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Speaker 1: with the problem there shot your daughter was shot? Just
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Speaker 1: to address, do not hang up? Does she do it
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Speaker 1: towards hell? Yes? Tony? Okay? Is there any way she
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Speaker 1: can still be alive? I don't know, Thank you. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what to do. I'm okay, so I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to help you. Try and stay calm. Okay, just come here, sir.
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Speaker 1: They are on the way. You talking to me is
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Speaker 1: not flowing them down? Okay? Great? Okay? Where she shot
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Speaker 1: at in the face? How old is she? Okay? Can
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Speaker 1: you see her breathing? At all? One? Seven? Hey? Is
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Speaker 1: she cold or changing color? Do you know? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I just don't know. Okay. Are you are you able
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Speaker 1: to go to her to find out if she's breathing? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Let me know when you are buyer. Okay, do you
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Speaker 1: see or fill any breathing she's not breathing. Okay. Do
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Speaker 1: you know did you hear a shot? Yes? Okay, so
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Speaker 1: this just happened, yes, okay. Do you want us to
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Speaker 1: try CPR? I guess yeah. Okay. Is she flat on
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Speaker 1: the ground? Okay again, there is help on the way
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Speaker 1: to help you. Okay. I want you to layer flat
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Speaker 1: on her back on the ground. Okay again. I moved
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Speaker 1: from where she was into the living room. Okay. I
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Speaker 1: want you to place your hand on her forehead, your
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Speaker 1: other hand under your other hand under her neck, and
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Speaker 1: heel the help the head back. Put your ear next
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Speaker 1: to her mouth. Can you feel or hear any breathing?
22:58
Speaker 1: She's going, she's gone. Okay, So you don't think we
23:03
Speaker 1: should try CPR? I don't know. I'm I'm just throwing
23:09
Speaker 1: you she's gone. Okay. Do you know how to do CPR?
23:19
Speaker 1: I just got work to do. Okay again, they are
23:24
Speaker 1: on the way to help you. Okay, she's going. Do
23:30
Speaker 1: you know what kind of gun it was, sir ju?
23:35
Speaker 1: Do you know what caliber? Okay? I want you to
23:44
Speaker 1: pump her chest hard and fast, at least twice per second,
23:47
Speaker 1: two inches deep because I'm doing Okay, let the chest
23:51
Speaker 1: come all the way up between pump. You're gonna do
23:54
Speaker 1: this under times or until the fire department's there to
23:58
Speaker 1: take over for you. Okay, poker ahead. Are you able
24:02
Speaker 1: to get that me? All? Yeah? Okay? Are you able
24:13
Speaker 1: to count out loud so I can stay aware of
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Speaker 1: where you're at? Three four five cheeks seven nine one
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Speaker 1: two three four five chicks seven eight nine seven at
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Speaker 1: least twice per second? Okay, we need to speed up
24:43
Speaker 1: just a little bit, okay, hard and fast, at least
24:53
Speaker 1: twice per second and two inches see okay, yes, well
25:05
Speaker 1: she's performance CPR. Your wife is doing keep her now? Yes? Okay?
25:12
Speaker 1: Is she? Is? She going to be calm enough to
25:14
Speaker 1: do CPR though she's doing CPR. Okay, okay, if you
25:43
Speaker 1: can get down, I cannot hear you. If you can
25:48
Speaker 1: just keep an open line with me, okay, because you're
25:51
Speaker 1: doing you off the phone, I can give the sirens.
25:54
Speaker 1: My wife is here. Alexis, you were telling me that
25:58
Speaker 1: they thought now he called NIME one one. He did
26:01
Speaker 1: not try to hide the fact that she was dead.
26:03
Speaker 1: But you, Alexis terres Chut, are saying that immediately thought
26:07
Speaker 1: the father was suspicious. Why well, not only they thought
26:12
Speaker 1: that he actually called the girl's mother before he called
26:15
Speaker 1: nine one one. She came over to the house and
26:18
Speaker 1: was performing CBR when he finally called nine one one.
26:21
Speaker 1: That could have been any amount of time. It certainly
26:24
Speaker 1: wasn't five or ten seconds. If you find your child
26:26
Speaker 1: bleeding on the floor with a gunshot wound, you're gonna
26:29
Speaker 1: call nine one one immediately to get help. So he
26:32
Speaker 1: in the phone call, as as you just heard, hangs
26:35
Speaker 1: up on the nine one one operator and most people
26:37
Speaker 1: stay on until the police arrive or the help arrives.
26:41
Speaker 1: But they said that his behavior was so suspicious. So
26:44
Speaker 1: he's first well covered in blood, but strangely enough, the
26:47
Speaker 1: tank top that he was wearing, he had blood underneath
26:50
Speaker 1: the tank top, so they think that he actually changed
26:53
Speaker 1: his shirt, which raised a lot of red flags for
26:55
Speaker 1: them too. And then he started doing this bizarre why
26:59
Speaker 1: are you doing a wardrobe change when your child is
27:02
Speaker 1: dead exactly, And he was trying to wipe the blood
27:06
Speaker 1: off of his hands so many times the police kept
27:09
Speaker 1: saying stop wiping off, stopping off. They actually had they
27:11
Speaker 1: told him five times to stop, and they had to
27:14
Speaker 1: restrain him physically because he was disturbing evidence literally on
27:19
Speaker 1: his body physically he was trying to hide evidence. As
27:21
Speaker 1: the cops were standing there as they try to take
27:24
Speaker 1: pictures of the blood drenched father, he tries to wipe
27:27
Speaker 1: the blood off of himself with a towel, as Alexis
27:31
Speaker 1: terres Check is saying, even though cops insists that he stopped,
27:35
Speaker 1: they snatched the towel away from Nick Mullen. And then
27:38
Speaker 1: he tries to use his bare hands to get rid
27:41
Speaker 1: of the blood until he was physically restrained. Then it
27:47
Speaker 1: gets even more bizarre. What can you tell me about
27:50
Speaker 1: him going outside to the lawn and lies down in
27:54
Speaker 1: the dirt. He goes outside, he starts digging the dirt,
27:57
Speaker 1: He starts covering his own body with dirt, and then
28:01
Speaker 1: he is scraping his feet, his blood covered feet on
28:04
Speaker 1: a cement entranceway. The strangest thing is childhood lying dead
28:08
Speaker 1: on the floor and he is digging in the dirt,
28:10
Speaker 1: trying to cover himself up, almost trying to Is he
28:13
Speaker 1: trying to cover up evidence exactly? They told officers. Okay,
28:19
Speaker 1: hold on, there's an affidavit that said Kelly Kelly Joe
28:24
Speaker 1: had been living at home on and off just un
28:26
Speaker 1: till her death, but had a very unhappy relationship with
28:32
Speaker 1: her father. They told officers that in April mc mullen
28:38
Speaker 1: had slapped her until her mother pulled a gun on
28:42
Speaker 1: him to make him stop. He should have gone to
28:46
Speaker 1: jail right then. Now, what more are we learning? The
28:50
Speaker 1: police have said that her friends told them that her
28:55
Speaker 1: father molested her and that this was this deep secret
28:58
Speaker 1: that she had hidden in This was the horrible relationship
29:01
Speaker 1: she had with him. Do you think the mother knew?
29:05
Speaker 1: I do believe that her mother knew. Otherwise, so too
29:07
Speaker 1: because two of her friends state the molestation occurred when
29:13
Speaker 1: she was younger, that the school and the Department of
29:17
Speaker 1: Human Services records allegedly show that there was an investigation,
29:23
Speaker 1: that no charges were ever filed. Now, if there's an
29:26
Speaker 1: investigation that he had allegedly been molesting her, wouldn't you
29:32
Speaker 1: think the mother would know? I do think, And I
29:36
Speaker 1: also think that when the mother pulled the gun on
29:39
Speaker 1: the father, that wasn't the first time that that there
29:43
Speaker 1: had been a problem. This was a serious threat and
29:46
Speaker 1: she was really taking some serious up to protect her child. Well,
29:49
Speaker 1: did she ever leave the father, did she ever report
29:52
Speaker 1: him to police and go forward with a police investigation
29:56
Speaker 1: and charges. I'm just asking, far as I know right now, No,
30:03
Speaker 1: as far as I know right now now, so the
30:06
Speaker 1: girls stays in the home. You know what's heartbreaking to me? Um,
30:11
Speaker 1: There's a picture of Kiley at her high school graduation
30:17
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at it. On one side is the
30:21
Speaker 1: mom and one side is the dad now charged her murder.
30:26
Speaker 1: They're all three smiling like they don't have a care
30:30
Speaker 1: in the world. And if what the friends say are true,
30:36
Speaker 1: then they're all acting like nothing ever happened, like the
30:40
Speaker 1: molestation never happened. How can that be? And even this
30:45
Speaker 1: year on Father's Day, the mother wrote that he was
30:50
Speaker 1: a great father. But father stays in June and the
30:54
Speaker 1: attack happened in April when she pulled a gun on him.
30:57
Speaker 1: So this is maybe maybe the mom is just as
31:00
Speaker 1: abused as her daughter and she needs some help to well.
31:04
Speaker 1: That may be true. That may be true. I don't
31:06
Speaker 1: know anything about that, but I do know that, according
31:11
Speaker 1: to reports that there was a Child Protection Department Human
31:17
Speaker 1: Services investigation that took place and no charges were ever filed.
31:25
Speaker 1: The affidavit claims and the child stayed in the home.
31:31
Speaker 1: The mother kept the child in the home with the
31:35
Speaker 1: alleged molester and continued on as if nothing ever happened.
31:43
Speaker 1: I got a problem with that, and now the child
31:47
Speaker 1: is dead. Now. Of course, the mother is not the
31:52
Speaker 1: one that is charged with pulling the trigger, and she
31:57
Speaker 1: has got to be devastated. Yeah, but I'm trying to
32:00
Speaker 1: figure out why the child was kept in the home
32:04
Speaker 1: with a man that molested her. I don't understand that.
32:07
Speaker 1: There are other pictures um of them. There's one where
32:11
Speaker 1: it looks like she's in a cheerleaning outfit or or
32:14
Speaker 1: some sports event, and she's holding flowers and the mom
32:21
Speaker 1: is smiling and the dad has one of like a
32:23
Speaker 1: little goatee. I guess he was going through that phase.
32:28
Speaker 1: And they're standing there and they all look happy together,
32:33
Speaker 1: and I'm just having a hard time, you know. You
32:36
Speaker 1: know what, alexis one in four. It's elast statistic. I
32:41
Speaker 1: recall women have been sexually molested in some way, So
32:48
Speaker 1: look around. One in four women have gone through that
32:53
Speaker 1: and endured that. And I'm looking at these happy family
32:58
Speaker 1: photos and they were anything but. Alexis anything but. And
33:06
Speaker 1: she escaped, for lack of a better words, she went
33:09
Speaker 1: out of state for college. She went all the way
33:11
Speaker 1: to Louisiana for college. She went to a Bible school
33:14
Speaker 1: um and didn't finish up there, but came home she
33:18
Speaker 1: had a job. This is a girl who was beloved,
33:21
Speaker 1: but she was a go getter. She actually had two jobs,
33:25
Speaker 1: and she was somebody who had her whole life ahead
33:27
Speaker 1: of her. But her she told her friends about the
33:31
Speaker 1: trouble that she had in her life. She told them
33:33
Speaker 1: about her dad, and they told the police, which I
33:35
Speaker 1: think is very interesting that the mom didn't tell the police.
33:38
Speaker 1: The reports are saying that it was the friends that
33:41
Speaker 1: alerted police to the history of abuse, and nobody helped her.
33:47
Speaker 1: I can't help her now. All we can do is
33:52
Speaker 1: continue trying in her own way to fight crime and
33:57
Speaker 1: in our own way shining light on crime. And I'm
34:03
Speaker 1: trying to imagine what this girl went through, having been
34:07
Speaker 1: allegedly molested by her own dad and still living in
34:12
Speaker 1: the home with him every day like nothing ever happened,
34:18
Speaker 1: and now she's dead. Alexis Torres Chuck from Radar online
34:24
Speaker 1: dot Com. You know, we've covered so many cases together.
34:29
Speaker 1: I just prayed that somehow we can make a difference. Alexis,
34:34
Speaker 1: I think it is amazing what you were doing and
34:37
Speaker 1: then continue to fight for all of these people that
34:39
Speaker 1: people wouldn't know about. They would never know about this girl,
34:43
Speaker 1: and they would miss one case might help them. Tell somebody, well, Alexis,
34:47
Speaker 1: you know you have that beautiful baby boy now and
34:50
Speaker 1: that changes everything. I thought I knew it all until
34:54
Speaker 1: I had the children. And now when I think about
34:58
Speaker 1: how delicate and fragile and beautiful they are. For them
35:02
Speaker 1: to suffer like this girl Kelly Joe has suffered, I
35:08
Speaker 1: can hardly think about it. But what we can do
35:11
Speaker 1: is arm people with knowledge. If you know about a
35:16
Speaker 1: home environment like this, or you suspect, speak out. You
35:23
Speaker 1: never know when you may say someone's life, Alexis, thank
35:28
Speaker 1: you for being with us. How many times, when nobody's looking,
35:33
Speaker 1: do you grab the orange juice or the apple juice,
35:36
Speaker 1: to the grapefruit juice, or the milk jug and just
35:39
Speaker 1: throw it back and drink it? Although you tell your
35:42
Speaker 1: children don't do that. It's disgusting. A little boy, a
35:47
Speaker 1: little boy three years old, has been beaten, dead, beaten
35:55
Speaker 1: to death with a rod because he was caught drinking
36:00
Speaker 1: from a milk jug. What joining me right now is
36:06
Speaker 1: an outspoken, entireless child advocate Ashley Walcott joining me out
36:11
Speaker 1: of Atlanta. Ashley, I'm talking about little Xavier Satchel, three
36:18
Speaker 1: years old, just died in a hospital in Orlando Friday.
36:23
Speaker 1: The little boy was living with mom Brandy Brandy Mocasel
36:29
Speaker 1: and her friend Lakisha Lewis. Okay, the mother her mother,
36:38
Speaker 1: Brandy's mother was home taking care of the baby. Fifty
36:42
Speaker 1: eight year old Killeen Barton. She also lived in the
36:45
Speaker 1: apartment with the two women and Xavier, three year old.
36:50
Speaker 1: Xavier Barton and Lewis. This is the friend and the mother.
36:56
Speaker 1: This child's grandmother allegedly beats the three year old with
37:02
Speaker 1: a rod after they catch him drinking milk from a jug.
37:08
Speaker 1: They threw him down a hallway, talked through cold water
37:12
Speaker 1: in his face to try to revive him. Then the daughter, Brandy,
37:21
Speaker 1: runs to a neighbor's apartment calls police as the girlfriend's mother, Oh,
37:27
Speaker 1: it's the girlfriend's mother threatened to end her if she
37:32
Speaker 1: told police. Forget about those three. Police find the little
37:37
Speaker 1: boy lying on his back, barely breathing, with food coming
37:40
Speaker 1: out of his nose. I don't understand this. Beating a
37:46
Speaker 1: three year old child dead over a milk jug really
37:52
Speaker 1: I'm stunned, you know, Nancy. It is horrific on so
37:57
Speaker 1: many different levels. And the thing that really strux me
38:00
Speaker 1: is at what point are we as a society going
38:04
Speaker 1: to stop beating children to death, which is exactly what
38:08
Speaker 1: happened in this case over something as innocent as drinking
38:12
Speaker 1: out of a milk carton. And keep in mind, this
38:15
Speaker 1: is not just mother was living with someone that she
38:18
Speaker 1: didn't know when they did this to her child. Mother
38:21
Speaker 1: was living with Louis, who's her girlfriend, and Louis's mother,
38:25
Speaker 1: who's Barton, And she says, hey, they've hit him before,
38:31
Speaker 1: and there was evidence, according to the police, that this
38:34
Speaker 1: boy had bruises from prior incidents. So here you have
38:38
Speaker 1: a mother who stays with her girlfriend and lives with
38:42
Speaker 1: a girlfriend and a girlfriend's mother who have done this
38:44
Speaker 1: to her child before. Why why, why why would you
38:48
Speaker 1: stay and keep your your child in that situation? You know,
38:51
Speaker 1: it's the same principle Ashley with me, Ashley Willcott, tireless
38:56
Speaker 1: child advocate that I respect a lot. I have told
39:00
Speaker 1: this to anybody that will listen. You know, all the
39:02
Speaker 1: years I tried felonies, so many of them were crimes
39:07
Speaker 1: on children and This is gonna turn your stomach, but
39:11
Speaker 1: you may already know it to be true. I don't
39:14
Speaker 1: recall a single time that I prosecuted a man for
39:20
Speaker 1: abusing a child, either sexually or physically, that the mother
39:25
Speaker 1: that would be the wife or the girlfriend didn't side
39:28
Speaker 1: with the man. I will never forget. One of the
39:32
Speaker 1: first times it happened to me. There was a guy,
39:36
Speaker 1: and remember his name very well, and he ran. His
39:40
Speaker 1: name was Walter Gates, and he owned a high percentage
39:45
Speaker 1: of the livery trade in Atlanta. I mean horse drawn
39:49
Speaker 1: carriages and uh, I guess cars that drive you around.
39:54
Speaker 1: I don't know what all he owned. I started digging around.
39:58
Speaker 1: I found where he had been beating and molesting girls
40:02
Speaker 1: for about twenty years. He had never done one day
40:05
Speaker 1: one day of jail time, and even then, twenty years
40:10
Speaker 1: into it, he was still at it, and his then
40:13
Speaker 1: girlfriend sided with him. I think her daughters were three
40:19
Speaker 1: and seven something like that. That's when I first became
40:23
Speaker 1: aware of this phenomenon. And here we have it again. Absolutely.
40:27
Speaker 1: Of course, here you've got a woman that is romantically
40:30
Speaker 1: involved with a woman. But it's the same principle, you
40:34
Speaker 1: stay stay with these abusers at the price of their child.
40:39
Speaker 1: They do. You know, I serve as a judge ProTem
40:41
Speaker 1: in juvenile court and we do see this over and
40:44
Speaker 1: over and over again. Parents choose the paramore, whoever that
40:47
Speaker 1: paramore is, over the safety of their own child. So
40:51
Speaker 1: the good news from my perspective, I'm eye for an eye,
40:53
Speaker 1: tooth for a tooth. So frankly, as far as I'm concerned,
40:55
Speaker 1: Barton and Lewis should have the same thing happened to
40:58
Speaker 1: them that they imposed on this the helpless child. Putting
41:01
Speaker 1: that aside, let's talk about the mother. Thankfully, in terms
41:05
Speaker 1: of the criminal system, she has been charged with child
41:09
Speaker 1: neglect because she did not remove him from this situation.
41:12
Speaker 1: But unfortunately that's not going to carry a very big
41:15
Speaker 1: sentence and she's out. She can get out on bond.
41:19
Speaker 1: That's crazy when she didn't protect him, knowing what they
41:23
Speaker 1: were doing to Ashley Ashley, Ashley. According to doctors, this
41:29
Speaker 1: little three year old boy almost I almost feel sick
41:32
Speaker 1: to my stomach right now, Ashley, This three year old
41:35
Speaker 1: little boy. Oh how I wish I could take him.
41:38
Speaker 1: Oh how I wish I could take this little boy
41:40
Speaker 1: in with me. He was covered in bruises from past
41:44
Speaker 1: beatings all over his body, all over his body, Ashley.
41:50
Speaker 1: So the mother, while she may have run and gotten
41:53
Speaker 1: helped this time, there were many other times where this
41:57
Speaker 1: child had endured beatings at the hand of her girlfriend
42:01
Speaker 1: and mother, according to police, I mean common sense is
42:05
Speaker 1: she's been in the home for ex period of time,
42:07
Speaker 1: the child's covety and bruises. Who has she been living with?
42:10
Speaker 1: And the investigators indicate that she actually said, oh yes,
42:14
Speaker 1: I've seen them hit him before. The mother said that
42:18
Speaker 1: mother knew, no doubt, no question. And here she is
42:21
Speaker 1: out on a hundred dollar bond because and I let
42:25
Speaker 1: me rephrase, I'm not certain she has posted bond, but
42:29
Speaker 1: her bond amount is dred. That's nothing when you know
42:34
Speaker 1: you've seen this happen and one with child neglect, that's it. Cy.
42:41
Speaker 1: I think that this is child neglect, which is a
42:44
Speaker 1: felony that ended in a death, which is a felony murderer.
42:49
Speaker 1: I think the mom is part and parcel kit in
42:51
Speaker 1: kimboodle in this, and I think she should be charged
42:55
Speaker 1: that way. Now, there's also a four year old boy
42:58
Speaker 1: living with them. He has been taken away. The boy's
43:01
Speaker 1: father told the Orlando Son Sentinel. He had been trying
43:06
Speaker 1: to get full custody for years, that he had dated
43:10
Speaker 1: Brandy Marcasol for four years. They broke up when Xavier
43:14
Speaker 1: was one, and he had always wanted to get the boy,
43:18
Speaker 1: and they gave the boy to this mom. I'm just disgusted.
43:22
Speaker 1: I'm just disgusted. And why is she charged with child
43:26
Speaker 1: neglect when the babies did agreed. I completely agree at
43:29
Speaker 1: such a minimal charge at this point in time against
43:32
Speaker 1: this mother. Now the other part, Nancy, and I'm sure
43:35
Speaker 1: you you know this and maybe getting to this, but
43:38
Speaker 1: the the investigation so far reveals that also Barton, who's
43:43
Speaker 1: the great you know, the mother of the girlfriend, Barton,
43:47
Speaker 1: the fifty eight year old who has been charged with
43:48
Speaker 1: first degree murder, that in two thousand two she actually
43:53
Speaker 1: used a plastic golf club to hit a different boy,
43:56
Speaker 1: not her child, to discipline him and left well and
44:00
Speaker 1: marks all over him. So she has is this the
44:02
Speaker 1: mom or the girl? This is the girlfriend's mother who's
44:06
Speaker 1: also been charged in this case, the girlfriend's mother. She
44:10
Speaker 1: actually was convicted. People describe Xavier as quote a ball
44:14
Speaker 1: of sunshine. You know, if they thought so much of
44:17
Speaker 1: them of this child, why didn't they do something about it?
44:20
Speaker 1: You know, people had to know, people had to know
44:24
Speaker 1: about this, and they did nothing. We're talking about a
44:27
Speaker 1: three year old boy, Xavier Satchel, brutally beaten, brutally beaten
44:32
Speaker 1: at a Pine Hills apartment in Orlando. It leaves the
44:36
Speaker 1: boy dead. Records detailing all the abuse have just been
44:41
Speaker 1: released and we have gotten our mits on it, and
44:44
Speaker 1: they revealed prior mistreatment this little boy faced. You know, Ashley,
44:50
Speaker 1: I think about it. When I was growing up, no
44:53
Speaker 1: matter what was happening, if I called out from my mom,
44:57
Speaker 1: she was there or my dad, they were the ones.
45:00
Speaker 1: They're taking care of me. They were the ones when
45:03
Speaker 1: I was sick, they were the ones watching over me.
45:07
Speaker 1: Where was his mother? Where was she? And I think
45:11
Speaker 1: she let this happen? She did. And I think in
45:14
Speaker 1: all of these cases, the ongoing struggle to ever understand
45:18
Speaker 1: and I will never understand, is that is a parents
45:23
Speaker 1: job to protect their children and to bulldog protect their
45:28
Speaker 1: children from anything and everything, And repeatedly we see things
45:33
Speaker 1: like this mother not at all, not only not protecting,
45:38
Speaker 1: but in my opinion, being complicit because they know what's
45:41
Speaker 1: happening and they allow it to happen. I don't get it.
45:44
Speaker 1: I don't understand how a parent doesn't protect their own child.
45:48
Speaker 1: But this is a great example of a parent failing
45:51
Speaker 1: all up the little boy. When the bathing started, Ashley
45:55
Speaker 1: began to shake like he was having a seizure of
45:59
Speaker 1: some sort. When police arrived, they find him lying on
46:03
Speaker 1: his back with food coming out of his nose, so
46:07
Speaker 1: obviously he may have died. He dies from blood forced trauma.
46:13
Speaker 1: Three women have been arrested. One is the mother. And
46:19
Speaker 1: what about the four year old brother one year older?
46:22
Speaker 1: He was there, he'll have this on him, probably feeling
46:26
Speaker 1: survivor's guilt, feeling like it was his fault. My brother died.
46:30
Speaker 1: I was there. Why didn't I protect him? Why did
46:33
Speaker 1: I live? And he died? What about not only that,
46:36
Speaker 1: but like you already mentioned, when he was having the
46:39
Speaker 1: seizure and later had food coming out of his nose,
46:43
Speaker 1: no one there called. They instead threw water on his
46:48
Speaker 1: face to try to revive him. Are you kidding me?
46:50
Speaker 1: Clearly he's not well, he's dying, and that was what
46:55
Speaker 1: And they had a phone, They had a phone in
46:57
Speaker 1: the home. They all have cell phones. In fact, they
47:00
Speaker 1: try to stop the mother from calling nine on one
47:03
Speaker 1: to start with. So the point is not only did
47:05
Speaker 1: they do it, they didn't want to get caught. It
47:07
Speaker 1: was more important to them not to get caught than
47:10
Speaker 1: it was to try to save the little boys life.
47:14
Speaker 1: Out to Alan Duke, Alan, what more do you know
47:17
Speaker 1: about Xavier? Nancy, don't ask me to talk on this one.
47:21
Speaker 1: I'm normally you're the one in tears. Today I am
47:24
Speaker 1: because I have a four year old granddaughter who, like
47:27
Speaker 1: this kid, loves Pepper Pig. I have to pretend like
47:31
Speaker 1: I'm Daddy Pig, and I can only imagine what this
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Speaker 1: child's life was like. In pray that my grandchildren never
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Speaker 1: feel that I remember my children at three years old. Tiny, tiny, tiny,
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Speaker 1: you know what These two were in jail tonight on
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Speaker 1: a one way trip to h E double L first
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Speaker 1: class c O D. Satan. You can keep him. I
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Speaker 1: want to thank you so much for being with us
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Speaker 1: at my new home. Serious x M. Nancy Grace signing off,
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend