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- 0:01Speaker 1: There are stories everywhere you go, some more horrifying than others.
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- 0:28Speaker 2: you do encounter them. What story is he going to
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- 1:11Speaker 3: for some of those people, you have children, it's uh
- 1:16Speaker 3: coming up school season, and my little niece is starting Monday,
- 1:21Speaker 3: and it's uh it's gonna be pretty cool. I mean,
- 1:27Speaker 3: although she likes it or not, you know, the kids
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- 1:35Speaker 3: wonderful time again. It's almost that spooky time of the
- 1:38Speaker 3: month again. If you want to start, it started pretty
- 1:43Speaker 3: much uh this month. Then it go on for a
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- 1:58Speaker 3: and and then time let's get on with today's story.
- 2:03Speaker 3: So let's sit back and relax. Turn off all your lights,
- 2:11Speaker 3: Snuggle up with your loved ones as we turn out
- 2:15Speaker 3: lights everybody, as we begin tonight's story. Tonight's story. You know,
- 2:27Speaker 3: I've been I've been trying to do this story for
- 2:32Speaker 3: a very long time since basically since our first season.
- 2:38Speaker 3: You know, our first season we did episode called the
- 2:43Speaker 3: Jack the Ripper and the the Murderers at White Uh
- 2:48Speaker 3: at White Castle, if you guys wanna listen to season one,
- 2:59Speaker 3: we talked about him and we are going to sort
- 3:06Speaker 3: of tie in to the legend and we are sort
- 3:13Speaker 3: of going to reveal who a person behind Jack the
- 3:19Speaker 3: Ripper was and this person did some weird things and
- 3:29Speaker 3: some extremely down the right murderous. So you know, if
- 3:40Speaker 3: you have one loved ones, uh you know listening that
- 3:44Speaker 3: are sensitive, you know this may not be the story
- 3:49Speaker 3: for you. But you know, if you're not sensitive, then
- 3:55Speaker 3: kick back and relax. As this person as was known
- 4:02Speaker 3: this person, his name was Herman Webster Mudget. He was
- 4:08Speaker 3: born on May sixteenth, eighteen sixty one. He also was
- 4:12Speaker 3: better known as doctor Henry Howard Holmes or HH Holmes.
- 4:20Speaker 3: He pretty much he was fascinated with Sherlock Holmes. Herman
- 4:27Speaker 3: Mudget was and he thought that he could be as
- 4:33Speaker 3: clever as Charlotte Holmes. You know, Charlock Holmes legend created
- 4:39Speaker 3: by a Circle and Doyle. And he thought he could
- 4:44Speaker 3: be just like him. So he changed his name to
- 4:47Speaker 3: Howard Holmes, as you know, take the last name like
- 4:51Speaker 3: Charlotte Holmes, but he calls himself h. H. Holmes. He
- 4:57Speaker 3: was an American con artist and he was a Siller killer.
- 5:04Speaker 3: He was active between eighteen ninety one and eighteen ninety
- 5:08Speaker 3: four and he was executed in eighteen ninety six. Holmes
- 5:15Speaker 3: had engaged in lengthy criminal career. They included insurance fraud, forgery,
- 5:25Speaker 3: swindling three or four. He was a bigamous marriages. It's
- 5:33Speaker 3: also a horse stuff. A thief and murderer, best known
- 5:39Speaker 3: as the Beasts of Chicago or the Devil in the
- 5:44Speaker 3: White City, or the Torture Doctor. His most notorious crimes
- 5:48Speaker 3: took place in Chicago, around the time the World's a
- 5:53Speaker 3: Colombian Expo. In eighteen ninety three, Holmes was convicted and
- 6:03Speaker 3: sentenced to death for the murder of Benjamin Pritzel, his
- 6:09Speaker 3: accomplice in several of his cons However, Holmes confessed to
- 6:15Speaker 3: twenty seven murders, including those of some people who were
- 6:23Speaker 3: verbally still alive. It was believed they was also killed
- 6:28Speaker 3: three of the prisons, as well as three mistresses, the
- 6:34Speaker 3: child of one of the mistresses and the sister of
- 6:37Speaker 3: the other. Holmes was hanged on May seventh, eighteen ninety six.
- 6:44Speaker 3: Much of the lore attached to Holmes occurred also to
- 6:52Speaker 3: the place known as the Murder Castle, a three story
- 6:56Speaker 3: ability they consumed are a that he commissioned on West
- 7:05Speaker 3: sixty third Street in Chicago, Illinois. Details about the building,
- 7:11Speaker 3: along with many of his alleged crimes, were considered exonerated
- 7:18Speaker 3: or fabricated for cento logic tabloid pieces, with some accounts
- 7:33Speaker 3: in or in estimating his body count to be at
- 7:38Speaker 3: high as one hundred and thirty three or even two hundred.
- 7:43Speaker 3: Many of those occurrences have pursued due to combination of
- 7:51Speaker 3: in effective police investigations or hyperbolic yellow journalism of the period,
- 7:59Speaker 3: which are often called as historical record. Holmes gave various
- 8:05Speaker 3: contrary accounts of his life, initially claiming innocence and later
- 8:14Speaker 3: he was he was possessed by Satan prosperity prosperently for
- 8:23Speaker 3: lying was made for a difficult for researchers to ascertain
- 8:29Speaker 3: the truth on the basis of his statements. For example,
- 8:36Speaker 3: he claimed that doctor Robert Laycock, a fellow medical school classmate,
- 8:43Speaker 3: was one of the first murder victims and they killed
- 8:46Speaker 3: him in eighteen eighty six for insurance money. Howard Leacock
- 8:52Speaker 3: died in October fifth, eighteen, eighteen eighty nine, in Watford, Ontario, Canada.
- 8:59Speaker 3: Since then nineteen nineties, Holmes have often been described as
- 9:04Speaker 3: a serial killer. In his book about Holmes, author Adam
- 9:10Speaker 3: Sizsler writes just killing several people wasn't necessary enough for
- 9:19Speaker 3: most definitions. For a serial killer. Most often has been
- 9:25Speaker 3: a series of similar crimes committed over a period of time,
- 9:30Speaker 3: usually more to satisfy the psychological urge and the killer's
- 9:37Speaker 3: part any more political motives and he adds the murders
- 9:44Speaker 3: we can connect the Holmes to generally had a clear motive.
- 9:49Speaker 3: Someone knew too much or it was getting his way,
- 9:53Speaker 3: and he can be trusted. The mergers weren't simply for
- 9:56Speaker 3: love or for bloodshed, the necessary part of furthering his
- 10:02Speaker 3: swindling opinion and protecting his lifestyle. Moose was born in
- 10:10Speaker 3: eighteen or May sixteenth, eighteen sixty one and Glamorton, New Hampshire,
- 10:17Speaker 3: the third child of Levy Horton Mudget and the day
- 10:22Speaker 3: Page Price, both whom were indicted from the and incited
- 10:33Speaker 3: from the first English settlers in the area. He had
- 10:37Speaker 3: two older siblings, Ellen and Arthur, and one younger brother, Henry,
- 10:45Speaker 3: as he as an anolescence. As an anolescent, Holmes attended
- 10:52Speaker 3: Phillips Axceller Academy before graded in high school with honors
- 10:59Speaker 3: at Jillimanton Academy when he was sixteen. Holmos's parents were
- 11:07Speaker 3: both a devout Methodist. His father was from farming family
- 11:12Speaker 3: and the times he worked as a farmer, trader and
- 11:16Speaker 3: house painter. He is also reportedly a heavy drinker who's
- 11:21Speaker 3: cruely cruely beat his children, almost also faced bullying. It
- 11:26Speaker 3: by classmates through the outstanding academic capability. Basically, you know,
- 11:35Speaker 3: mostly whatever want bullies about his people being nerds. You know,
- 11:38Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with that understanding being bullied by that.
- 11:44Speaker 3: In one incident, he was forced to stand in front
- 11:48Speaker 3: of the of a human skeleton and put the skeleton's
- 11:53Speaker 3: hands on a space effort to frighten him and are
- 12:00Speaker 3: initially terrified, Holmes later discovered the acceptance to be intriguing
- 12:08Speaker 3: and claimed that it helped him overcome his worries. Holmes
- 12:14Speaker 3: subsequently developed obsession with death as a result of encounter
- 12:21Speaker 3: and began dissecting animals. In eighteen seventy nine, Holmes enrolled
- 12:28Speaker 3: in the University of Vermont for one year. In eighteen
- 12:33Speaker 3: eighty two, he transferred to the University of Michigan's Department in
- 12:38Speaker 3: Medicine and Surgery. Despite his mediocre academic performance, Holmes graduated
- 12:45Speaker 3: in June eighteen eighty four. While enrolled, he worked as
- 12:49Speaker 3: a Tommy lab worked in the Attomomy lab under Professor
- 12:57Speaker 3: William Jones Interman, the chief and an autonomy instructor, and
- 13:06Speaker 3: he were said to have been engaged in uh factoring
- 13:16Speaker 3: a facility brave robbing by supply medical cadavers. Holmes had
- 13:25Speaker 3: appearance and appeared had appearanced in New Hampshire under Norm Wright,
- 13:35Speaker 3: a known advocate a human uh distinction. Years later, when
- 13:42Speaker 3: Holmes was suspended with suspective murder, he claimed to be
- 13:48Speaker 3: nothing but an insurance for protester and a man using
- 13:54Speaker 3: the cadavers to default life insurance policies several times in
- 13:58Speaker 3: college and we're an this time, you know it.
- 14:05Speaker 1: Uh.
- 14:06Speaker 3: He end up going to uh going to England to
- 14:13Speaker 3: further his uh, you know, his medical and of course
- 14:22Speaker 3: you know what would be a perfect place is if
- 14:26Speaker 3: you going to London and go to the red light
- 14:29Speaker 3: district and you know, finally hookers, prostitutes and what have you,
- 14:36Speaker 3: and you know they have no families whatever. And he
- 14:40Speaker 3: started to pretty much you know, learn his learning and
- 14:48Speaker 3: to own his craft in and he uh he did
- 14:55Speaker 3: that because that's where because he promptly ended when he
- 15:02Speaker 3: ended up coming back to United States. Holmes moved to
- 15:08Speaker 3: Chicago in eighteen eighty six, in August, which then he
- 15:12Speaker 3: began using all the surname HH Holmes. Soon after his rival,
- 15:23Speaker 3: he comes across the drug store at Northwest corner of
- 15:27Speaker 3: South South Wallace Avenue West sixty third Street in Englewood
- 15:33Speaker 3: section of Chicago. Drugstore's owner, Elizabeth Holton, gave Holmes a job.
- 15:43Speaker 3: He proved to be a hard work employee, mentioning by
- 15:47Speaker 3: in the store. Contrary to several accounts, Holmes did not
- 15:52Speaker 3: kill doctor E. S.
- 15:54Speaker 1: Holton.
- 15:55Speaker 3: Holmes purchased an empty lot across the street where construction
- 16:00Speaker 3: began in eighteen eighty seven, and his two story mixed
- 16:06Speaker 3: use building with apartments on the second floor and retail
- 16:11Speaker 3: space including the new drug store on the first. When
- 16:16Speaker 3: Holmes decided to pay the architects for the steel company
- 16:25Speaker 3: Athena Iron and Steel, it took him to court in
- 16:30Speaker 3: eighteen eighty eight. In eighteen ninety two, he had a
- 16:34Speaker 3: third floor, telling in investers that the players he attended
- 16:39Speaker 3: to use it was a hotel during the upcoming World
- 16:45Speaker 3: Columbian Expo con Puentary accounts reports that Holmes built the
- 16:57Speaker 3: hotel to lower tourists busying the expedition in order to
- 17:03Speaker 3: kill them and sell their skeletons to nearby medical schools.
- 17:08Speaker 3: Although he did have a history of selling stolen cadavers
- 17:13Speaker 3: and two medical medical schools Holmes had acquired these wares
- 17:19Speaker 3: through grave robbing other than murder. Otherwise, there was no
- 17:24Speaker 3: evidence that Holmes ever murdered exposition goers on the premises.
- 17:30Speaker 3: The Old Press labeled Building it Building as Holmes Murder Castle,
- 17:37Speaker 3: claiming the structure contained secret torture chambers, trap doors, gas chambers,
- 17:45Speaker 3: and basement crematoriums. None of these such way To claims
- 17:53Speaker 3: are true. Other accounts stated that the hotels made up
- 17:57Speaker 3: of hundred rooms that laid out like a ma for
- 18:01Speaker 3: doors opening into brick walls, windowless rooms, and that in
- 18:08Speaker 3: staircases that in reality the third floor hotel was model,
- 18:15Speaker 3: the size largely unremarkable and uncompleted due to Holmes. This
- 18:25Speaker 3: uh this uh pistruppers with the builders. It did contain
- 18:31Speaker 3: some of the hen rooms, but they were used for
- 18:34Speaker 3: hind furniture. Homes brought a but bought on credit, did
- 18:40Speaker 3: not intend to pay for. Homes did not kill, and
- 18:45Speaker 3: alleged homes did not kill. An alleged Castle victim, miss
- 18:51Speaker 3: Kate Durkey, who turned out to be much alive. In
- 18:57Speaker 3: his confession, Homes stated that his unusual method of killing
- 19:02Speaker 3: was to suffocate his victims, using various means, including overdose
- 19:09Speaker 3: of chloroform our over exposure to lighting gas fumes and
- 19:17Speaker 3: trapping them in airless vaults. Holmes also claimed to have
- 19:22Speaker 3: used starvation and to have burnt victims alive in his castle.
- 19:28Speaker 3: Holme's hotel was gulped in the fire and started by
- 19:32Speaker 3: unknown arsonists shortly after his arrest, but largely are largely
- 19:38Speaker 3: rebuilt and uses post office today. Our post office untail
- 19:44Speaker 3: eighteen thirty eight sizes the enormous our murder Castle Homes
- 19:48Speaker 3: also owned a one story factory which claimed was used
- 19:53Speaker 3: for glass bending. It's unclear that the factory furnace was
- 19:59Speaker 3: ever used for this purpose. As speculator, they've been using
- 20:05Speaker 3: to destroy incriminal evidence in his crimes. Holmes mistress, thirty
- 20:12Speaker 3: one year old Julia Smith, was the wife of doctor
- 20:17Speaker 3: Lewis Connor, who also moved in his building and began
- 20:21Speaker 3: to work in in his pharmacy pharmacy's Julie counter. After
- 20:26Speaker 3: Connor found out Smith's affair with Holmes, quit his job
- 20:33Speaker 3: and moved away, leaving Smith and their five year old daughter,
- 20:37Speaker 3: Pearl Connor behind. Smith gained custody of Pearl and remained
- 20:42Speaker 3: at the hotel, tending a relationship with Holmes. Julia and
- 20:48Speaker 3: Pearl both disappeared on Christmas Eve in eighteen ninety one.
- 20:53Speaker 3: Holmes definitely claimed that Julie had left unspectedly to visit
- 20:58Speaker 3: her dying sister, but they and then changed his story
- 21:02Speaker 3: and said that she had fled to her former husband. Ultimately,
- 21:09Speaker 3: Holmes later claimed that Julie had actually died during abortion.
- 21:16Speaker 3: Despite his medical background, Holmes were likely to experience carrying
- 21:21Speaker 3: out his abortions or mortally from each procedure was high
- 21:28Speaker 3: at the time. Holmes then claimed the poisoned Pearl lucky
- 21:35Speaker 3: to hie the circumstances of her mother's death. A partial skeleton,
- 21:43Speaker 3: possibly a child, around Pearl's age, was found when excavating
- 21:48Speaker 3: the home. Seller. Pearl's father was the key witness to
- 21:52Speaker 3: holmes trial in Chicago. His other one was twenty three
- 21:57Speaker 3: year old Emmaline Again began working in a Holmes building
- 22:03Speaker 3: on May eighteen ninety two and worked to him for
- 22:06Speaker 3: six months. Holmes reportedly hired this again as a secretary
- 22:12Speaker 3: due to her connection to a doctor who peddled a
- 22:17Speaker 3: vaccine that allegedly occurred alcoholism. Who saw sign in the
- 22:27Speaker 3: weeks before her disappearance, nowed that she appeared to have
- 22:31Speaker 3: lost interest in homes and their relationship. This again was
- 22:37Speaker 3: last seen. In December eighteen ninety two. Her parents were
- 22:42Speaker 3: informed that she had left a married man named Robert Phelps.
- 22:48Speaker 3: Authorities apothesized as she gotten pregnant by Holmes, possibly being
- 22:56Speaker 3: a victim another failed abortion that Holmes tried to cover up.
- 23:02Speaker 3: Rampty luggage trunk was sent back to her mother in Anderson, Indiana.
- 23:08Speaker 3: Her skeleton was found by police in the home with
- 23:11Speaker 3: Chicago position with the hope of H with M. G. Chapel,
- 23:18Speaker 3: who admitted having art articulated three skeletons for HH Holmes.
- 23:30Speaker 3: In the early eighteen eighty three, a twenty year old
- 23:34Speaker 3: one time actress Willalima will Alima Mannie Williams moved to Chicago.
- 23:44Speaker 3: Holmes claimed to have met her an employment an employment
- 23:50Speaker 3: office to believed to be actually met her in Boston
- 23:56Speaker 3: several years earlier. He was and going by his other
- 24:03Speaker 3: alias Harry Gordon. Holmes offered her a job in the
- 24:07Speaker 3: hotels a personal stenographer, and she accepted. Holmes pursued Williams
- 24:15Speaker 3: to transfer the deed to her property at Port Ward, Texas,
- 24:19Speaker 3: to a man named Alexander Bond. Which was another alias
- 24:24Speaker 3: the Holmes. In April eighteen ninety three, Williams transferred the deed,
- 24:30Speaker 3: with Holmes serving as an ordinary. Holmes later signed the
- 24:35Speaker 3: deed over to Brazil, given the alias Benton T. Lehman.
- 24:42Speaker 3: In the following months, Holmes and Williams presented themselves as
- 24:49Speaker 3: husband and wife ran an apartment in Chicago's Lincoln Park.
- 24:56Speaker 3: Minnie's younger sister, eighteen year old and a Williams, came
- 25:03Speaker 3: to visit on July fifth, eighteen eighty three. She wrote
- 25:07Speaker 3: to her aunt she planned to accompany brother Harry to Europe.
- 25:15Speaker 3: In it, she has signed the off the message Brother Harry.
- 25:20Speaker 3: Holmes also says that you need never trouble anymore about
- 25:26Speaker 3: me financially or otherwise, and her sister will see to
- 25:32Speaker 3: me help the other help. Your hard days are over. Afterward,
- 25:39Speaker 3: neither Minnie or Nanny were ever seen alive, and Holmes
- 25:45Speaker 3: use Minnie's name in the future scams. These guys never stops.
- 25:53Speaker 3: Sixty eight year old creator of homes named John Rethel
- 26:00Speaker 3: died of poxicy in at April seventeen, eighteen ninety one
- 26:06Speaker 3: in the Castle drug store. Burial collapsed and died shortly
- 26:12Speaker 3: after Holmes poured a black liquid down his throat, occurring
- 26:18Speaker 3: to illness. Foul play was not suspected eighteen ninety five.
- 26:25Speaker 3: Was he was He put it as a cast oil
- 26:30Speaker 3: or something. I'd be a little suspicious myself determined that
- 26:36Speaker 3: Bro's life was ensured that Holmes had profited from his death.
- 26:42Speaker 3: In eighteen ninety one, Emmy van Tissel disappeared after working
- 26:46Speaker 3: at holmes drug store. Almost spoke of her as his confession.
- 26:54Speaker 3: In eighteen eighty seven, Tesla's name was cited a list
- 26:57Speaker 3: of suspected victims of Tessa's mother believed that she was
- 27:02Speaker 3: foss of victim. Doctor Rustler was another victim. He was
- 27:08Speaker 3: in the office of the Castle, went missing in eighteen
- 27:11Speaker 3: ninety two. Homes mentioned killing Wrestler in his confession. Kitty Kelly,
- 27:21Speaker 3: a s tegnographer for Homes, went missing eighteen ninety two.
- 27:26Speaker 3: John Davis of Greensville, Pennsylvania went visited the eighteen ninety
- 27:32Speaker 3: three World's Fair and just vanished. In eighteen twenty was
- 27:37Speaker 3: declared legally dead. You don't wonder why Harry Walker brings
- 27:44Speaker 3: Brigandiana and missing. In November eighteen eighty three, he was
- 27:49Speaker 3: alleged to have insured his life over to Homes for
- 27:54Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars and wrote to his friend's day he
- 27:58Speaker 3: was working for Homes. God go well gee, I wonder
- 28:02Speaker 3: what happened to him after that? Holmes claimed the two
- 28:07Speaker 3: two hundred or the twenty thousand dollars. Holmes and Pretzel
- 28:11Speaker 3: took George Thomas to a necessary swamp on Tomaghee River
- 28:18Speaker 3: in June eighteen ninety four and killed him and disposed
- 28:23Speaker 3: his body. Confessed to the murderer to his second wife,
- 28:30Speaker 3: offered coal. Baltimore disappeared after receiving a telegram of Homes
- 28:37Speaker 3: to come to Chicago enjoy. Nineteen eighty and eighteen ninety four,
- 28:42Speaker 3: the Burdbank's a bank book was found with human hair
- 28:47Speaker 3: and the chimney flew in the castle.
- 28:51Speaker 1: Five.
- 28:52Speaker 3: Holmes alleged killed two people in Linke Country, Illinois, in
- 28:57Speaker 3: eighteen ninety The deaths were confirmed in ninety teen, nineteen,
- 29:01Speaker 3: twenty three years after that execution, when the remainders of
- 29:06Speaker 3: the unknown man and woman found an off farm and
- 29:10Speaker 3: this just he just ain't ain't stopping killing here. Twenty
- 29:17Speaker 3: seven killings which Holmes confessed, only eight are confirmed with
- 29:25Speaker 3: one other considered probable. Robert Leacock was allegedly murdered by Holmes,
- 29:34Speaker 3: but allegedly he died at natural causes in November fifth
- 29:41Speaker 3: in Canada. His claim was disproven. Rogers of Megantown Our Morgantown,
- 29:49Speaker 3: was Virginia, was alleged killed by Holmes. He supposed victim
- 29:55Speaker 3: later found to be alive playing disproven. Lizzie, a domesque
- 30:03Speaker 3: worker the Castle Restaurant, which is allegedly smothered in the
- 30:09Speaker 3: vault because of Holmes, believed the janitor Clinton was too
- 30:14Speaker 3: interested in her claim. This claim was unconfirmed, so it's
- 30:20Speaker 3: kind of hard to see if it is or isn't
- 30:23Speaker 3: as it hasn't been confirmed. Rogers, a banker from North Wisconsin,
- 30:29Speaker 3: was alleged murdered and by Holmes in eighteen ninety one,
- 30:33Speaker 3: helped with an unnamed accomplice. No evidence supported its claim,
- 30:39Speaker 3: but there's no disappearance of wealthy men in North Wisconsin
- 30:44Speaker 3: towns claim. Harghley suspect Julia Connor onboard Child and Pearl
- 30:50Speaker 3: Connor were more by Holmes of Christmas murders confirmed. The
- 30:56Speaker 3: list goes on and on and on, and you know
- 31:01Speaker 3: he ended up killing bringemin britzol criminal past exhibiting uh,
- 31:10Speaker 3: let's see as a carpenter with a criminal pass to
- 31:14Speaker 3: exhibiting a colbin we investigate some same building homes used
- 31:20Speaker 3: Petzel as a right hand man several criminal schemes. Strict
- 31:27Speaker 3: attorney later described Hansel as homes creature with insurance companies
- 31:34Speaker 3: passing rescuing for Arson. Holmes left Chicago and appeared in
- 31:42Speaker 3: Fort Worth. We had appeared in a property in William's
- 31:47Speaker 3: Sisters modern day Kabean Street and Second Street were once
- 31:52Speaker 3: attempted to build a incomplete structure without pain as some
- 31:58Speaker 3: players or contract g You know whenever that one's that's
- 32:04Speaker 3: a little old, don't it wants everything you don't want
- 32:09Speaker 3: to pay it seeing. In July eighteen ninety four, Holmes
- 32:16Speaker 3: was arrested briefly jailed the first time in the charge
- 32:22Speaker 3: of selling mortgage goods at Saint Louis, Missouri. It's probably
- 32:27Speaker 3: built out. While in jail is stuck up a he
- 32:31Speaker 3: struck up a conversation with a convicted outlaw named Martin Hedgepath,
- 32:38Speaker 3: who was serving in twenty a year sentence. H concocted
- 32:44Speaker 3: planned to swindle an insurance company out of ten thousand
- 32:48Speaker 3: dollars by taking out a policy on himself and taking
- 32:52Speaker 3: his death. Holmes promised edge Path a five hundred dollars
- 33:00Speaker 3: commission and exchange it the name of lawyer could be trusted.
- 33:06Speaker 3: Malls was directed to a young Saint Louis attorney name
- 33:13Speaker 3: Jeff Hoe. Ho thought holmes scheme was brilliant and agreed
- 33:20Speaker 3: to participate. Nonetheless, Holmes planned to fake his death, and
- 33:26Speaker 3: when the insurance company became suspicious and freezed to pay,
- 33:31Speaker 3: Holmes did not press the claim. Instead, he cocked a
- 33:35Speaker 3: similar plan with Pretzel. Pretzel agreed to fake his own
- 33:41Speaker 3: death so that his wife could collect ten thousand dollars
- 33:45Speaker 3: life insurance policy, which was split into home with Holmes
- 33:50Speaker 3: and Hoe. The scheme, which was taking place in Philadelphia,
- 33:55Speaker 3: called for Pretzel to set him up with an inventor
- 34:00Speaker 3: under the name of be a Pit of Perry and
- 34:04Speaker 3: killed they and then be killed and then be killed
- 34:10Speaker 3: and disfigured in lab explosion. Holmes was to find accomplice
- 34:17Speaker 3: a cadaver play the role of Pretzel. Instead, Holmes killed
- 34:23Speaker 3: Pretzel September fourth, eighteen ninety four by knocking him unconscious
- 34:29Speaker 3: with chloroform, sent his body on fire with limousine, which
- 34:35Speaker 3: is in his confession, Alms implied that Pretzel was still
- 34:42Speaker 3: alive after he used chloroform on him before he sat
- 34:46Speaker 3: down on fire. However, forensic evidence presented holmes later trials
- 34:51Speaker 3: showed chloroform had been ministered after Pretzel's death. In fact,
- 34:57Speaker 3: the insurance company was aware. Are similarly the stage of
- 35:02Speaker 3: suicide extant Holmes would be charged with murder. Homes collected
- 35:09Speaker 3: the insurance payout the biases the genuine Pretzel Corps. Homes
- 35:15Speaker 3: then manipulated Pretzel's unexpected wife, Carrie Ellis Canning, to allan
- 35:23Speaker 3: three of her five children to be placed in his custody.
- 35:28Speaker 3: The three children were placed in under Holmes's care, and
- 35:33Speaker 3: thirteen year old Alice Pretzel, nine year old Nelly Pretzel,
- 35:37Speaker 3: and seven year old Howard Robert Pretzel. Homes Homes and
- 35:42Speaker 3: three Pretzel children traveled throughout the Northeastern United States into Canada.
- 35:49Speaker 3: A sub sub simultaneously escorted carry along the parallel route
- 35:58Speaker 3: while the usually various aliases and Laynea carey Or concerning
- 36:07Speaker 3: her her husband's death by claiming Petzel was hiding in London,
- 36:13Speaker 3: as well as laying her about the true whereabouts her
- 36:16Speaker 3: three missing children in Troy just before entering Canada. Were
- 36:23Speaker 3: they were only they were They were separated by only
- 36:28Speaker 3: a few blocks and even more are more courageous move
- 36:37Speaker 3: Holmes was staying another location with his current wife as
- 36:44Speaker 3: was unaware with this whole affair. Holmes later confessed to
- 36:48Speaker 3: murdering Alice and Natalie on October twenty fifth, eighteen eighty four,
- 36:54Speaker 3: by forcing them into a large trunk and walking them
- 36:58Speaker 3: inside the hole, lid in the trunk and put one
- 37:03Speaker 3: of the hose through the hole, attaching the other end
- 37:07Speaker 3: too a guest line and fix it. The girls homes
- 37:13Speaker 3: bury their new bodies in the cellar a rental house
- 37:18Speaker 3: at sixteen Saint Vincent Street in Toronto. Frank Greer, as
- 37:23Speaker 3: a Philadelphia Police Department sective A, signed to investigate the
- 37:28Speaker 3: homes and and found and found beneath the three feet
- 37:35Speaker 3: a bone of forum a human being discovered that there
- 37:40Speaker 3: were the girls, and he was captured and that was executed.
- 37:50Speaker 3: And there was also on the where the murder house
- 37:56Speaker 3: was at sixty third Wallace Streets in Inglewood. It was
- 38:02Speaker 3: a post office was modest somewhere in their yellow brick
- 38:08Speaker 3: building when many built during the New Ideal era under
- 38:14Speaker 3: President of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the Chicago trends yet authority.
- 38:20Speaker 3: Green lane runs available trestle behind the post office. Concrete
- 38:27Speaker 3: freight train runs through just the east and and eagles
- 38:33Speaker 3: uh carbon the stones hanging the front doors. The post
- 38:38Speaker 3: office will signed a three year uh brangals one h
- 38:44Speaker 3: once black now faded blue, a circle next to the doors.
- 38:50Speaker 2: Uh.
- 38:51Speaker 3: You know where the where the mainly where there's stood
- 38:57Speaker 3: there you know where the murder house stood as a
- 39:02Speaker 3: post office. And they said that there's some ghosts in
- 39:09Speaker 3: there where in the mall room and everything. They hear
- 39:12Speaker 3: footsteps and cries and you know, other voices. And I
- 39:22Speaker 3: also could take the tours around the same same spot
- 39:27Speaker 3: and around the campus. And there's also uh pictures of
- 39:34Speaker 3: the murder House of what his diagrams look like and stuff.
- 39:41Speaker 3: And if you wanna you want to see that, it's online.
- 39:49Speaker 3: But there you go. Jack the Ripper is now H. H.
- 39:55Speaker 3: Holmes And I hope you guys enjoy the story. If
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