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  Speaker 1: Jesus, he's the good report. Tonight's delusional Chris Bowen emerges
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  Speaker 1: from hiding and says Labour's election win sent him a
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  Speaker 1: message about his disastrous screen revolution, keep going, get on
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  Speaker 1: with the job. Really today, Chris, we got another warning
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  Speaker 1: about what that your job is actually doing to this country.
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  Speaker 1: Also Tonight' socer manager and plus the Congloo So shows
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  Speaker 1: by multiculturalism is now a policy we can't afford.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to be the first Australian manager ever to
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  Speaker 2: manage in a European Cup final, m first Greek born
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  Speaker 2: as well, Mate.
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  Speaker 1: I have a special look at multiculturalism. Later in the show, Plus,
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  Speaker 1: the Albanize government says it's going ahead with the controversial
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  Speaker 1: new tax on super I'll talk you're an expert on
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  Speaker 1: the danger there. And a premier sends a totally useless
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  Speaker 1: letter to Ukraine. How embarrassing, But first it was funny,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it. We're told by women that the Liberals need
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  Speaker 1: more women leaders. But when the Liberals did yesterday elect
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  Speaker 1: their first female leader, Susan Lee, she gets it in the
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  Speaker 1: neck from women like today. From Fiona Scott, a vice
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  Speaker 1: president of the Federal Liberal Party and likely actually of
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  Speaker 1: the liberal left. I couldn't believe her dismissive response when
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  Speaker 1: she was asked if Lee would actually last long as
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  Speaker 1: a leader of this divided party.
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  Speaker 3: How long do you give her?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean a day's a long time in politics.
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  Speaker 5: So that's not exactly a re enforcement.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, it could be a day. It
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  Speaker 4: might be a down mean checky, But I mean, look,
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  Speaker 4: you don't know what the political tides will bring. Lots
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  Speaker 4: of caveats the Fiona did you not back her? I'm
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  Speaker 4: not in the party room. I mean in terms of support.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't sound as though you were that
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  Speaker 4: confident with her being chosen as leader.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's not true at all.
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  Speaker 4: I think Susan is fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Scott Lady said, oh, it was a joker, came out wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, I was a big supporter, But seriously, she
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  Speaker 1: got plenty of hints as you saw on that clip
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  Speaker 1: to take the off ramp. Maybe she wasn't doing the
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  Speaker 1: team thing really, And if it was a joker, was
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  Speaker 1: the kind of joke that's a joke, but no joke
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  Speaker 1: kind and Channel ten two various women had a crack
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  Speaker 1: at Lee like this.
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  Speaker 4: Added An s.
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  Speaker 6: The second S in the middle of her name is
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  Speaker 6: a bit of good luck numerology.
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  Speaker 3: She was told to do that.
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  Speaker 4: It's clearly paid off today. This, you know what means
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  Speaker 4: It is a gender thing. She's into numerology.
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  Speaker 1: Plus of course for other women. Talking about Lee only
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  Speaker 1: getting the job because the car crash and the blokes
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to get it all and fail, he's more
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  Speaker 1: of the same.
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  Speaker 7: It's a very interesting thing, isn't it. When I think
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  Speaker 7: whenever a woman gets a post like this, it's it's
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  Speaker 7: always like, oh, here's the job nobody else wanted and
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  Speaker 7: it went.
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  Speaker 1: Here's another woman. Moronic so called influencer Abby Chatfield of
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  Speaker 1: the far left, almost wishingly to fail.
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  Speaker 3: Poor Chuck heading right for the glass cliff.
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  Speaker 8: All those Liberal Party members are slowly pushing her along
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  Speaker 8: in spy and she's saying, nah, you be fine, Susan,
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  Speaker 8: it'll be a soft landing, dulln You'll be fine, And she's.
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  Speaker 2: Going, oh yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 8: People are actually believing that the Liberal Party are being
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  Speaker 8: progressive by having women as a leader, not that they're
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  Speaker 8: setting her up the failure so that when inevitably she
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  Speaker 8: doesn't win the next election, we tried tokenizing new Darlin.
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  Speaker 1: Gosh, women sure can be had on women. Liberals can't win,
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  Speaker 1: can the They don't pick a woman and their sexist.
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  Speaker 1: If they do pick a woman, their sexist. More seriously,
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  Speaker 1: that were senator just sent a nampagen for Price, who
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  Speaker 1: I think is now doing a bit of damage to
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  Speaker 1: her fine reputation, needs to pull back. Price ratted on
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  Speaker 1: the Nationals and joined the Liberals only a few days
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  Speaker 1: ago after Shadow Treasure and Angus Taylor offered to make
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  Speaker 1: her deputy leader if he won the leadership against Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor lost, and Price I think chickened out rather than
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  Speaker 1: risk being defeated in her ballot. Her own supporters on
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  Speaker 1: the right scene ambushed by a decision to pull out
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  Speaker 1: said brand the left was initially not going to run
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  Speaker 1: against the Price because she's so popular in the branches,
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  Speaker 1: but when she quit, he jumped in anyone all that
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  Speaker 1: grief that Price caused by deserting the Nationals, costing them
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  Speaker 1: an office and funding because they're now just forig in
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  Speaker 1: the Senate or for nothing. But then, as I said
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  Speaker 1: last night, she made it worse by going on Chris
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  Speaker 1: Kenny Show and also seeming very lukewarm again in supporting Lee.
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  Speaker 1: Will the party unify our behind Susan Lee?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I guess that is the hope.
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  Speaker 9: I mean ultimately, like I said, you know, I'll be
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  Speaker 9: supporting you know, the leadership obviously, because that's what we
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  Speaker 9: have to do if we want to do a good
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  Speaker 9: job in opposition.
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  Speaker 1: And again, as I showed last night, Price didn't rule
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  Speaker 1: that going for the leadership herself down the track to
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  Speaker 1: become prime minister.
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  Speaker 9: And I know there's a lot of Australians who'd love
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  Speaker 9: to see that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she should have said, Look, Lee's the one, She's great,
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  Speaker 1: She'll be the prime minister. I mean, just play the game. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: my colleague reach to Pane here today dismissed Lee is
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  Speaker 1: a turnbull in a skirt. Good line, funny column might
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  Speaker 1: even turn out to be true. But ladies, how long
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  Speaker 1: has Lee been leader? Now? Thirty three hours, not even
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  Speaker 1: a day and a half. Now, speaking as a bloke,
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  Speaker 1: don't you think Lee should at least deserve a week
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  Speaker 1: a month, maybe even a couple of months to prove
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  Speaker 1: what she can do as leader?
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  Speaker 5: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Look, I admit I've got my doubts myself, but surely
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  Speaker 1: she shall get a chance, at least not stupid. She's
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  Speaker 1: got three degrees after becoming a mun at sixty three
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  Speaker 1: and a grandmother. She must have learned a few things
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  Speaker 1: or two along the way, And in these thirty three
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  Speaker 1: hours she hasn't said anything stupid. So seriously, I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: to wait and judge on deeds, not on the past,
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  Speaker 1: not on a name, not on appearances, and not on gender.
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  Speaker 1: Just give her a go. Good news on the economy today,
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  Speaker 1: wages grew zero point nine percent in the March quarter,
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  Speaker 1: and over the year, that's wage growth of up to
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  Speaker 1: three It's gone up to three point four percent. That's
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  Speaker 1: well ahead of inflation. The treasure was boasting.
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  Speaker 10: Today we've got way is growing and we've got inflation falling.
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  Speaker 10: And those are really the key elements of this soft
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  Speaker 10: landing that we have been engineering in our economy at
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  Speaker 10: a time of really substantial global economic uncertainty.
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  Speaker 1: Still, I should add that pushing this wage growth up
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  Speaker 1: with the wage rises that governments are giving to public servants.
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  Speaker 1: Public sector wages rose one percent in the quarter. Healthcare
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  Speaker 1: workers and people giving social assistance their wages shut up
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  Speaker 1: one point four percent. They are wages that we have
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  Speaker 1: to pay for joining me is the political panel. Camera Milner,
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  Speaker 1: former chief of staff to Labor Leader Bill Shorten, and
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  Speaker 1: our director of g Exo Strategies today in London's special
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  Speaker 1: special event for us Michael Costs, the former New South
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  Speaker 1: Wales Labor Treasurer Michael good News today on the wages front.
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  Speaker 1: Will it now be sunshine of roses under labor?
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  Speaker 11: Well, I doubt that, Andrew. But look, they're certainly on
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  Speaker 11: the better end of the economic cycle. In will come
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  Speaker 11: down over the next three years and clearly that's going
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  Speaker 11: to lead to interest rates coming down. The problem with
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  Speaker 11: Jim Chalmers is taking credit for that. Is the same
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  Speaker 11: bloke that said it's going to take him at least
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  Speaker 11: two terms to do something about productivity, and clearly having
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  Speaker 11: wage increases without having productivity behind it is inflationary and
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  Speaker 11: at the end of the day, it undermines economic prosperity.
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  Speaker 11: So you know, the problem here is hubris everywhere, Andrew,
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  Speaker 11: and you're seeing it in great buckets in those sorts
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  Speaker 11: of comments.
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  Speaker 1: I should add that I think the last budget predicted
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  Speaker 1: inflation to rise up again a little next financial year
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  Speaker 1: before yes, indeed, over the next three years coming down
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  Speaker 1: even further. But Camera and Anthony Avin easy is such
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  Speaker 1: power now, you know, massive majority in the lower House
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  Speaker 1: will still need the votes of the Greens to get
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  Speaker 1: anything through the Senate that the coalition opposers though, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think is this going to go to his head?
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  Speaker 1: What do you expe Well.
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  Speaker 12: That's what Michael and I discussed last week on the show,
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  Speaker 12: which is the labor rights nowhere to be seen. The
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  Speaker 12: Labor right after this election has been smashed, the date
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  Speaker 12: of the numbers in caucus, the day of the numbers
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  Speaker 12: around the ministry or table, all the cabinet. So Albert
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  Speaker 12: has Carte Blonge to introduce, along with Penny Wong, a
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  Speaker 12: radical hard left agender if that's what he wants to
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  Speaker 12: and the Greens have you there to wave it through
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  Speaker 12: in the Senate. The Greens are even more hard left
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  Speaker 12: than the Labor Left these days, and no one can
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  Speaker 12: stop them. Liberal Party carp and certainly Labor Right cart
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  Speaker 12: as the ballast it used to be in the Labor
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  Speaker 12: Party stopping the worst excesses of the left. So I
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  Speaker 12: think it's up to Albow to stop the left and
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  Speaker 12: Penny Wong just radicalizing the labor agenda over the next
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  Speaker 12: one to two terms of office potentially.
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  Speaker 1: But I had the feelings so far. Look, Michael, maybe
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  Speaker 1: Alberniezi doesn't actually know what the center is in a sense,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the creature of the left and the climate
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  Speaker 1: change thing I think will come a cropper. But that said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's in his nature now to suddenly
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  Speaker 1: use this power to go even further than he promised.
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  Speaker 11: What do you think, Well, that's because he's got no vision, Andrew.
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  Speaker 11: That's got nothing to do with his ability to be ruthless.
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  Speaker 11: He can be ruthless, we've seen that, but they've got
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  Speaker 11: no vision. You've got a government now that's essentially got
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  Speaker 11: no opposition, has an agenda of taxing and spending, and
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  Speaker 11: you know this unrealized capital gains implications of that are
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  Speaker 11: horrific for investment in our economy. And you've got wasteful
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  Speaker 11: spending on pipe dreams. You know that hasn't changed. But
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  Speaker 11: the climate pipe dreams or the sort of rebuilding Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Or whatever it was called.
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  Speaker 11: You know, rebuilding China's economy is more likely. And in
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  Speaker 11: a sense you're going to see this wasteful spending leading
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  Speaker 11: to a decline in expenditure in areas that we need
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  Speaker 11: to expend, such as defense. So what we're going to
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  Speaker 11: get is posturing and virtue signaling and Albanize with no vision.
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  Speaker 1: Cameron, Susan Lee, what are you expecting from her? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think she's experienced.
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  Speaker 12: And I think it's fair for us to get let
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  Speaker 12: her have a go because she's obviously had a lot
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  Speaker 12: of time in parliament bent as a minister.
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  Speaker 3: And debut leader.
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  Speaker 12: And let's not forget that Albanese is the one who
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  Speaker 12: makes it so easy for opposition sometimes. He's last two
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  Speaker 12: got government, he had a majority, but he gave it
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  Speaker 12: over to the opposition on so many easy issues. So
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  Speaker 12: I think Susan Lay has got a chance, but the
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  Speaker 12: Liberal Party got a unite behind her, and that's the
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  Speaker 12: great danger is disunity is death.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I did think Michael that it was rather scrappy,
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  Speaker 1: a really scrappy look today, particularly from the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 1: Vice president Fiona Scott. What on earth was she thinking?
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  Speaker 1: Was it one of those things where she was telling
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  Speaker 1: the truth and didn't know how to stop.
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  Speaker 11: Oh that's right, Andrew. I mean you've got a factionalized
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  Speaker 11: Liberal Party. I mean the reality is that what you've
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  Speaker 11: seen with.
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  Speaker 1: The same faction.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, you've got people that are more concerned about
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  Speaker 11: factional positioning than they are about policy. And look as
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  Speaker 11: for Susan Lay, I think she's doomed. And I say
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  Speaker 11: that because not because of who she is, because of
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  Speaker 11: the fact is they don't have any policies. She's essentially
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  Speaker 11: positioned herself to be a sort of knockoff labor. Now
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  Speaker 11: would you buy a knockoff role x if you get
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  Speaker 11: the real thing?
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  Speaker 1: Would you?
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  Speaker 11: And that's what they're offering, and that would be their problem.
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  Speaker 11: I think the only thing you could save the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 11: I think she'll be gone by the way, you know,
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  Speaker 11: teen months because of the factional positions within the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 11: The only thing that can save this Liberal Party and
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  Speaker 11: this coalition is I think the National Party stepping up.
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  Speaker 11: They had a good election campaign. People forget that they
• 12:33
  Speaker 11: had a machine that operated. They won all their seats
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  Speaker 11: and they almost won some off labor. So really there
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  Speaker 11: needs to be some pressure put on the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 11: to get attacked together both administratively and policy wise, from
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  Speaker 11: the National Party. Even if they threatened to withdraw from
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  Speaker 11: the coalition agreement. The fact of the matter is they're
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  Speaker 11: going to be in opposition with su the Lay for
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  Speaker 11: at least nine years the way they're going.
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  Speaker 1: Cameron, like you were in the Office of of Labor
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  Speaker 1: Dad Bill Shorten in the campaign when you are fighting
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  Speaker 1: the Liberals, do you think, oh gosh, the more they
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  Speaker 1: state real liberal positions, the easier they are to defeat.
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  Speaker 1: Or do you think oh cracky they're coming to you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're being more labor light. That's going to make it
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  Speaker 1: hard for us, which is the harder foe.
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  Speaker 12: Well, and we were blessed that Malcolm Turmile became the
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  Speaker 12: Liberal leader. So I don't think I can completely put
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  Speaker 12: that aside. Fo Urble was the worst prime minister to
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  Speaker 12: campaign against. But no, I think you're right. I mean,
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  Speaker 12: I think the Liberals that go set up for liberal values.
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  Speaker 12: They've got to be the party of lower taxes, They've
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  Speaker 12: got to be there on social issues as well, So
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  Speaker 12: they've actually got to be a conservative party again, rather
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  Speaker 12: than the labor light. Labor light might as you just
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  Speaker 12: buy the real thing, however bad that might be. Now
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  Speaker 12: the Liberals have actually got set up for liberal values
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  Speaker 12: because I think that's where voters are. Andrew, I think
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  Speaker 12: voters haven't moved.
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  Speaker 1: The Liberal Party has Michael, I've got to finish with
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  Speaker 1: something that really gave with the PIP today. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know we're into gesture politics and all that, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, seeming rather than doing. But Victoria's hopeless premiere
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  Speaker 1: just to Allen, has released a letter she has written
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  Speaker 1: by hand for extra authenticity, to the President of Ukraine
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  Speaker 1: Vladi Zelenski, telling him on behalf of the people of Victoria,
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  Speaker 1: I want to express our heartfelt support. We stand with
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  Speaker 1: you and with the people of Ukraine. But all she's
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  Speaker 1: doing is giving him absolutely nothing to defend this country
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  Speaker 1: except those two handwritten pieces of paper and the best wishes.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what on earth does the point.
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  Speaker 3: There is no point.
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  Speaker 11: But it's the virtue signaling you see at all levels
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  Speaker 11: of government in Australia. The local government's even worse. I
• 14:43
  Speaker 11: wonder if you see that to putin because I'm sure
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  Speaker 11: he would have dealt with it brain the appropriate manner.
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  Speaker 1: Look, it's not just a joke.
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  Speaker 11: It's just a joke, and it's you know, they can't
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  Speaker 11: even run their trains. I can't put infrastructure together that
• 14:58
  Speaker 11: they're wishing well to Ukraine, and I wish well to Ukraine,
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  Speaker 11: but that requires Donald Trump to step up.
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  Speaker 1: Look it have been wrapped around a revolver and sent
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  Speaker 1: to him. It might have been in more use. Michael
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  Speaker 1: Costa and Cameron Milner, Thank you very much to you both. Now,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: just before the break, I mean drama in the Melbourne
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  Speaker 1: seat of gold Stain. First it was t MP Zoe
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Daniel claiming shit won. Then Liberal Tim Wilson said no,
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  Speaker 1: he'd one. But as of tonight latest counting shows his
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: lead shrinking are just four hundred and one votes. It's
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: come down by another two hundred from yesterday. Now our
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: lecture guru Tom Connell, and who would disagree with him,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: says he still expects Wilson to cling on, but ge
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: it could be so very tight after the break the
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  Speaker 1: return of Chris Bohene, who got exactly the wrong message
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: from this election, be frightened. I said it'd be a
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: theme after this election. Voting Labor hasn't made the problems
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: magically disappear. And someone should tell that to Chris Bowen,
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  Speaker 1: who has come out from hiding to crow about Labour's win.
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  Speaker 1: Just as we get two more signs of Bone's green
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  Speaker 1: energy revolution is a disaster. Bowen is, of course the
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: government's Energy and climate change minister. He's so unpopular in
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: the pols that Labour kept him out of the election campaign,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: killed all that stuff about you know, the wind and soul.
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  Speaker 1: Yet today Bowen had the hide to claim that Labour's
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: victory was at least partly because of his green policies.
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  Speaker 13: Well, what will keep. What we will do is implement
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  Speaker 13: what we took the election, which is the sixth zones.
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  Speaker 13: Despite some of the rhetoric and the argie bargie, there
• 16:44
  Speaker 13: was a swing to the Labor Party pretty much in
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  Speaker 13: every offshore wind seat. I take that then, that as
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  Speaker 13: well as an endorsement, as I said in an op
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  Speaker 13: ed today by the silent majority, to say keep going,
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  Speaker 13: get on with the job.
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  Speaker 1: The job Labour should be freaking, and not just because
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: international evidence shows that the more wind and solar a
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: country has, the higher power bills are likely to be.
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  Speaker 1: And just this week there were two more signs of
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: bone style green plans already causing havoc here. First, as
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I said last night, there was the news that a
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: big fertilizer plant in Queensland could be shut unless a
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: buyer can be found it's a Dino Nobel plant at
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Phosphate Hill at risk of closure because of high gas prices.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: And it's not alone. Last year, Queenos, our biggest manufacturer
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: of plastics and chemicals, also shut, followed three months ago
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: by Australia's only architectural glass manufacturer, Oceania Glass. But that
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: wasn't the only news this week that proved that Australians
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: voted labor. But it's still stuck with bones, green turkeys
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: building their Andrew Forrest also announced he was laying off
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: another ninety staff working on his green hydrogen projects. Now,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: forest is the bloke who helped pusus this wade Chris
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Bowen to this miracle. Green gas made from pumping vast
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: amounts of green electricity through water would power our future.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: And Bowen and Anthony Albanezi were such suckers that they
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: promised billions of subsidies to green hydrogen investors.
• 18:17
  Speaker 13: Green hydrogen the purest source of energy in the world
• 18:21
  Speaker 13: and one that could replace up to three quarters of
• 18:25
  Speaker 13: global emissions. Now green hydrogen future is fundamental to that
• 18:29
  Speaker 13: clean energy future. The green hydrogen sector has an enormous
• 18:33
  Speaker 13: potential in this country.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: The forest last year walked away from most of his
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: hydrogen projects I meaning the gas was too expensive. This
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: latest news suggests that that has not changed, and Woodside
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and Origin also dropped planned investments last year. But Chris
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Bone says, well, vod has just told him to keep
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: on with this madness. Joining me is Roan Dene, Entering
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Chief of The Spectator Australia and Gun presenter Outsiders on
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Sky News every Sunday at nine am, a host of
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: his own show on Fridays seven pm. Run Great to
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: See It. Bowen says voters told them of the election
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: to keep going.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Did they really Well, that's it then, Andrew, I think
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: we should just carry on. Let's get more windmills up there,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: more solid panels, let's club more Koala bears to death.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Let's see more whales drowning out there. Let's destroy more
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: lobster farms.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Let's go for it.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, the voters have clearly spoken, they clearly want
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: to net zero, They want to solve the world's problems
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: all by ourselves. The voters have said Australia can defy China, America, Russia, India, Brazil,
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: two thirds of the world who are abandoning net zero.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: The voters Bowen's silent majority. There's a thought Bowen's silent
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: majority have said that Tony Blair, for instance, is wrong
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: when he says that net zero is a disaster.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: The British are clearly wrong.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: Ed Milliban, maybe he's part of Chris Bowen side the majority,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: but Ed Milliband is floundering in the sea of woes
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: because of net zero. All around the world, the net
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: zero myth is collapsing. The real tragedy here, Andrew is
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: that the Coalition could have fought this argument and won it.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: But neither side of politics was prepared to have the
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: argument in this election campaign that we've just this miserable
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: election campaign we've just been through. Both sides showed their
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: absolute cowardice and timidity in not prosecuting their cases. So
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Chris bow and may well talk now about the silent majority.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: But he wasn't to be seen during the election campaign.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: They hid him.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: They buried him in a cave deep in the null
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Boar I believe, well, maybe it was in the basement
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: of the launch chain to the pipes. Whatever they did
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: with him, he was not to be seen during the
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: election campaign. Now he's out there saying, oh, well, look,
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: the voters all agreed with me, but he was too
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: afraid to prosecute his case during the election because basically
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: because his case doesn't stand up to scrutiny anywhere in
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: the world. There's nowhere in the world that no economy,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: no industrial economy. Anywhere in the world. There might be
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: the odd little little fantasy island somewhere other that can
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: live on Bowen's style renewables only with a few batteries
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: wandering around the place, but nowhere else in the world
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: has done it and is nowhere in the world is
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: likely to ever do it. But on the other side
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: of politic.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Xandra, the coalition was so pathetic. They could have argued
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: the case, and they refused to.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: They're refused to, Roan, I would have thought, I would
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: have thought, you know, if they saw Labor actually hiding
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Chris Bowen, apart from one debate that he had to
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: accept the National Press Club, if they saw him them
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: hiding Chris Boone out of fear or shame or whatever,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: they should have realized they're worried, let's go for that issue.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: But they didn't. The Liberals and Nationals are now wondering
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: whether to drop their target of cutting emissions to net
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: zero by twenty fifty. Chris Boone today couldn't believe it.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, it was like his brain
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: simply couldn't compute, Like this was a holy ripped, you know,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: carved in eternal stone.
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: Have a look, met zero is just by twenty fifty.
• 22:13
  Speaker 13: Is not a policy. It's a bare minimum framework you
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: have to work under. And if Susan I saying that's
• 22:20
  Speaker 13: up for review, I mean she might as well say
• 22:22
  Speaker 13: the sun coming up tomorrow's upperview or the sky being
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: blue is uppreview. It's the basic framework.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: That's a man whose brain dangerously cannot comprehend an alternative idea.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: It's worse than that.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, what a pathetic comparison with the sun rising
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: in the morning. The reality is that this is an
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: entirely fabricated idea, and at zero by twenty fifty, it
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: has no serious basis if, in fact, the science suggests
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: that based on the amount of carbon being omitted by
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: as I mentioned those two thirds of the world who
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: are emitting their carbon unless they all adopt net zero,
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: as well as so called science, which is an awful
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: lot of modeling done on modeling done on assumptions, done
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: on you know, concepts. Even that tells us that unless
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: that two thirds of the planet also adopts net zero,
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: it's cactus. It's all over if you buy into the
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: climate warming scam, which I categorically do not. But if
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: you do, then net zero by twenty fifty only works
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: if the entire planet indulges in this fantasy. So, Chris Bowen, Yes,
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: the sun will not rise tomorrow, Chris, because two thirds
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: or only two thirds of the sun will rise tomorrow,
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: because two thirds of the planet is not adopting net zero. Therefore,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: it is not achievable by twenty to fifty, to the
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: extent that the so called climate you know, scientists, experts,
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: whatever you want to call them, have insisted in.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: The past that it needs to be.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: So, the whole thing is a massive kind of a
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: house of cards. And it's fine for ideologues in the
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: greens and the teals and labor to believe in this
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: stuff and be passionate about it, but that house of
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: cards is gambling on our productivity, our industrial future, the
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: jobs that our children and grandchildren are going to need
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: with cheap energy, AI alone blows all the models out
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: of the water, just the amount of energy that is
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: going to be needed for AI. So unfortunately Bowen's belief
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: in this fantasy will never be realized based on where
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: the figures are now. And that's the great tragedy of it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Chris.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: The sun ain't gonna rise tomorrow, not the sun as
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: you believe it to be rising.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: That's the tragedy.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I found it amazing. It was even going on today
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: saying list in Australia's sun is better than the sun
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and the rest of the world, and our wind is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: better than the rest of the world. And I'm thinking,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: have we got to own sun here? Rowan? I mean,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean to a lot of countries, and
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I thought, damn that sun is hot. Cicily creat that
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: nearly knocked me out, that sun being the Morocco that
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: was a hot sun. I had no idea that our
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: sun was always superior. And Scotland.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Indeed, yeah, and the world of thought, have.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: You got to any part of the world, Rowan thought,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: this wind is not as good as Australia's.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: We've got superior quality.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: When there you go.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: It's a tragedy.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: But the reality is the coalition failed to prosecute the
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: case or explain really to people why this fantasy of
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: batteries and transmission lines, et cetera. I will end up
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: costing us way more money than we have and b
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: won't provide us the energy for the future that we're
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: going to need. And that's the real tragedy, is that
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: reality will collide with with Chris Bowen's silent majority fantasies
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: and the silent majority. Unfortunately other people who will suffer
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: the most. That's the real tragedy because the silent majority.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: I had to call them the silent majority because they
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: didn't say anything exactly. Well, the silent majority will also
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: be the blind majority, because they'll be sitting in the dark, Andrew,
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: they'll be sitting in the dark, both silent and unable
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: to see anything or cook themselves any food. And you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: if you want evidence to that, just look at Spain
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: and Port Chill and France on there a couple of
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: weeks ago.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Absolutely see you next week. Rowan after the break the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Albaniza Govern's bizarre new tax and superannuation an expert on
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the damage that's coming. Well, retire is could now pay
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: for the Albuci Govern's re election the governor has been
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: trying to pass a new tax law to increase the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: tax on super funds and balances of more than three
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: million dollars lifted to thirty percent from fifteen. Now a
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: lot of people say, oh, people on that money, they
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: can afford it. Maybe right, But two things are a worry. One,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: this is not indexed. A three million dollar balance today
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: might not sound that much after inflation, after a decade
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: or two or three. And of course the Greens might say, well,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: let's make that threshold two million dollars and then you've
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: got our vote Labor. That's why the Parliamentary Budget Office
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: records is change. Its tax change will raise serious money,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: nearly seven billion a year within ten years. But there's
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: another thing. Say you've got shares or property in that
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: super fund. This new tax will apply to the assessed
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: value of these things unrealized gains, even though one you
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: might have to sell them to pay the tax. And two,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: what if you pay a tax for a property that's
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: supposedly worth I know you a million dollars now, but
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you go to sell it and it's actually worth much less,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: but you get a refund. At least the treasurers today
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: were saying politicians and judges and generous st benefits would
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: also pay. Joining me is Jeff Wilson, who is more
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: than forty five years experience in investment markets and founded
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Wilson Asset Management. Jeff Wilson, thanks for joining me. What
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: is wrong with this plan?
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Well, increasing the tax on super let's put that to
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: one side. Increasing it by another fifteen percent, I don't
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: think anyone's that concerned about that for people that have
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: more than three million dollars in there. The incredibly illogical,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: unfair or UnAustralian, and as one of our burst has
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: said to me, they believe it's criminal. Is the fact
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: that it's taxing unrealized game, so a pay per profit,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: a profit that may never occur. And the second part
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: is the failed index. So I mean various people have
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: run numbers and eventually if the three million cap isn't index,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: then eventually every worker in Australia will be paying this
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: additional on their super. And it's really bad for younger Australians.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: And I think they're talking about in a number of
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: years a couple of million people being caught by this.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: A couple of million is a lot. Tell us what
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: sort of difficulties. Does it raise So you've got say
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: some of your super property or shares, it's unrealized, you
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: haven't actually sold it yet, there's a nominal worth on
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: it that you're taxed on. How could that go wrong?
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean just think about you know, we've had
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: this supersystem working very efficiently. It's actually created four point
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: two trillion dollars that is risk capital. What could go
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: wrong if you're a farmer and you have to pay
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: tax on the theorical value of your land, and when
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: you have no intention of ever selling it, where do
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: you get the money from you to pay that tax? Also,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: if you might get taxed on a you might invest
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: in a company it goes up significantly, then you have
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: to pay tax on it. Then, as we've seen the
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: voltearlier in the stock market recently, then the value of
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: that company falls significantly. Unfortunately you don't get that get
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: a refund back from the government. So to me, it
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: stops people from committing risk capital. And fifty to sixty
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: percent of the startups in Australia they get their money
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: from self managed super funds. Now, why would I invest,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: say one hundred thousand dollars in it or less in
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: a small risky company, Why would I do that? If
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: the value goes up, I'm going to pay tax on it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: This taxing unrealized gains has failed globally and it is
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: just bad tax policy.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Well, this is a government that's of course promised more
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: money than it's gone and it's desperate to get some
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: money from somewhere. Now. The thing is, Jeff, as you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: you know when new taxes are imposed on things and
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: the government assumes that those things will stay there to
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: be taxed, what in fact do you think will happen
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: if this tax comes in. Will people run down their
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: super funds and invest somewhere else? Will the money actually
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: be there for the government to get all these billions
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: as expecting.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, another consequence is that the money the taxes they
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: anticipate the raise they will not raise. Now we've seen
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: that in the UK recently they brought in a increase
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: their capital gains tax by twenty percent and the tax
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: take actually dropped by ten percent. People are smart, for
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: every action is an equal and opposite reaction. I've had
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: people now some of our shareholder We've got one hundred
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: and thirty thousand shareholders We've got a lot of them
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: have been contacting me. One in particular rain me the
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: other day he's to take his money out of the fund.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: He's got more than three million dollars in there, and
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: he's either going to put in his principal place of
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: residence himself or give to his children or grandchildren to
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: do that. Now, we've done a white paper on this,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: try to get people to understand, and we estimate that
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty five billion is going to come
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: out of those self managed super funds and going to
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the property market. Just at the time, we don't need
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: more demand in the property market because still your principal
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: place of residence is tax free. People don't mind paying
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: additional tax in their super fund. What they don't like
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: is having to pay tax or taking the enormous risk
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: that they may pay the tax and the value of
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: the investments might fall significantly. Now, anyone that's a little
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: bit older, we've lived through people now times, whether it's
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: the GFC or the eighty seven stock market crash, where
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: your investments in the stock market might fall fifty or
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: sixty percent. Eventually they recover, but if you paid tax
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: on the high amount and then they fall significantly and
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: you're older, then you're taking enormous amount of risk. So unfortunately,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: it's the dismantling of the superannuation system and a lot
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: of like to me, anyone who has it explained to
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: them then understands how unfair and illogical it is.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Well, it wouldn't be the first time the government has
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: had a tax back far in I mean the hiking
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: up cigarette xSe to such a level that poor people
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: can't afford legal cigarettes by the illegal stuff instead set
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: off an organized crime spree and fall in taxes. As
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to the government, it's just unbelievable. This could be one
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: of them. Jeff Wilson, thank you so much indeed for
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: your time.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Thanks Andrew.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: After the breakout, Apostakovlo sends a warning about multi culturalism
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the panel. After this our out of controlled immigration, Ange
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Pasta Cooglu put one big problem with it up in
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: lights this week now. Pastocoglu is the Australian manager of
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Tottenham Hotspur, famous English soccer club, which is taken to
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: the final of the Europa Cup our League next week.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: You're going to be the first Australian manager ever to
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: manage in a European Cup final first.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Greek born as well, mate, I'm also Greek.
• 34:30
  Speaker 11: So yeah, a couple are very proud of both both those.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: So he interrupts the telejournalist. Is Greek born, don't just
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: say Australian. Sure, He and his older sister were brought
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: to Australia by his parents when he was five. He
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: was educated here, he got his big breaks here. But
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: never forget Greek born. Now, fine, I know the pool
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: of ethnic identity myself. You know, it's very natural. As
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the son of immigrants myself. I even traveled on a
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Dutch passport in my thirty even though it was actually
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: born here. But this ethnic pool poses a real problem
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: when we now import massive numbers of immigrants, When thirty
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: percent of Australians are now born overseas, when nearly a
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: million of us don't even speak English, or speak it
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: badly according to the census, when we increasingly form ethnic
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: enclaves middle Eastern suburbs of Western Sydney, the Chinese almost
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: mini city in Melbourne's Box Hill, Little India in Dandenong. Again,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: all very natural, especially when we now have such big
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: numbers of certain immigrants. But perhaps we should now be
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: open to the kind of discussion that British Labor Prime
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Minister the Kias Staratride just this week warning of the
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: danger of mass immigration that the Left have been including
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Starmer himself, have been so blind to for so long.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: We risk becoming an island of strangers, not a nation
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: that walks forward together. You're actually contributing to the forces
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: that are slowly pulling our country apart. Now we see
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: some of those warning signs right here. More Muslims, Muslim
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Australians fought for the Islamic state that served with the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Australian Army at the time. We'll take this last election
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: when Liberals Senator to Jane Hume tried to discuss the
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: danger of election interference by the Chinese Communist Party, how
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: to volunteers from a Chinese group linked to the Communist dictatorship.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: We're working on a labor and teal campaign. Labour use
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: her comments to smear the Liberals society Chinese, which was
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: devastating for the Liberals when we have one point three
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: million ethnic Chinese.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Don't need to go out that far on the polling booths. Claire.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: There might be Chinese spies that are hanging out for you.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: This is absolutely disgraceful.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: We are not spies.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Chinese Australians have been in Australia.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: For over two hundred years.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: We are royal citizens and we have just as much right.
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: To participate in Australian democracy as anybody else.
• 36:59
  Speaker 12: Why is it that the Liberal Party continues to question
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: the loyalty of Chinese Australians.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: That was cynical political exploiting of some remarks. But is
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: that where we now are, where the ethnic loyalties of
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: some Chinese means we cannot safely discuss Australian security. So
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the way our immigration intake is going, we need to
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: talk about multiculturalism. Now. Taking pride, as I say, in
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  Speaker 1: ethnic identity is natural, but multiculturalism exactly is exactly the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: wrong policy for a government. Now. A government should not
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  Speaker 1: be encouraging people to identify by their ethnic or religious background.
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  Speaker 1: Let people do that themselves. Government should have said, stress
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  Speaker 1: what you know, stress out common identity as Australians, so
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  Speaker 1: hopefully the next generation won't feel they need to correct
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  Speaker 1: you when you do call them Australian. Joining me to
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  Speaker 1: communications consultant Gematoninia Scania's regular and Chris I. McSweeney, who
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: has worked for coalition prime ministers and premiers and is
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: still getting hooked up. So we will start with Gemma, Gemma,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you love your Italian background, and I would
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: if I were Italian even more than I enjoyed my
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  Speaker 1: Dutch one. But picking up on what the British Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister said was with mass immigration, do we risk becoming
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  Speaker 1: strangers to each other in our own land? As multiculturalism,
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  Speaker 1: you know, governments actually encourage you different a dedity groups
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  Speaker 1: now a luxury we can't really afford.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to just answer in a different way, if
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: that's okay, because I believe the I believe that we
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  Speaker 4: do have to be more careful and more cautious with
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: immigration today than ever before. And that is simply the
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  Speaker 4: practical reality that there are actors and forces who have
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  Speaker 4: mal intent towards the countries that they go to, not
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  Speaker 4: just Australia, not just the UK. To not accept that
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  Speaker 4: and act knowledge that is just naivety around multiculturalism. I've
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: never really had an issue with it because my own
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  Speaker 4: as you say, I've got an Italian heritage. My father
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: came to Australia as a ten year old on a boat.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: I asked my nana one time, what was the first
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: thing that you said to my nominal cuddler when you
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: arrived at Fremantle after having not seen him for a
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  Speaker 4: few years. Well, she said to me, I said to him, Charlie,
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  Speaker 4: take me home. And I thought, well, that's a bit
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  Speaker 4: of a bit of a downer. But what she meant
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  Speaker 4: to him. What she meant was take me to the
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  Speaker 4: place that is now my home. Not take me back
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  Speaker 4: to the village in Italy, but take me to the
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: place that is now my home. That turned out to
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: be quinn and Up, a little milltown several hours south
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  Speaker 4: of Perth, where she, you know, they worked and they
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: raised their kids, and they had another kid, and in
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: her mind she was then Australian. They kept their Italian
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  Speaker 4: cultural practices and identity and the things that you know
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: wove them together as Italian people, but they saw themselves
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: as Australian, so much so that my father became naturalized
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: at the age of sixteen, making it very difficult andrew
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: for me and my brother to get Italian passport.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I have to say I agree with that, and
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: there's lots of lots of great examples about that. In
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: my family, family, my son's married into all that. I
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: got that. On the other hand, I mean you do
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: have government's foreign governments actually deliberately saying listen, if you
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: are of this ethnic identity, we have a stake in you.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: You've got Chinese departments dedicated to fostering Chinese patriotism in
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Australia and abroad you have an organization Greek government organization
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: called Greeks Aboard Abroad, which does the same sort of
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: thing for Greek culture and Greek political influence there. Christy,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think is multiculturalism? Now, look, let people
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: be multicultural. That's on them. But it is not a
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: government's role to encourage it. It's a government's role to
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: say you are Australian.
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  Speaker 3: Oh of course.
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  Speaker 6: Can I make the distinction that multiculturalism and the debate
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: around immigration into Australia, they are two different things and
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: a lot of people like to diverge those two things
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  Speaker 6: within the same context. When we talk about immigration caps,
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: we have to take a view on can Australia contain
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: that growth with the current infrastructure and deficit we have.
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: And when we talk about multi culturalism, we talk about
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: how successful Australia is as a nation based on multiculturalism,
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: but based on multiculturalism, where as Gemma rightly says, people
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: adapt to coming to Australia bringing the best of their
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: own culture, bringing their own history and their own cultural identity,
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  Speaker 6: but becoming Australian and not bringing international foreign conflicts and
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: disputes into Australian communities. And we've seen that grow significantly
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: as well. And again I make the point they are
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  Speaker 6: all different issues and that context is not just one context.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we could say leave your foreign conflicts abroad,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not happening, as you know, and of course
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  Speaker 1: it's not going to really happen exactly, and I think
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: it will get worse. So that I just think the
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: government's role is to encourage national symbols now speaking of
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: that national identity, national symbols or symbols of our supposedly
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: common paths. In Melbourne, the City of Yarra, Gemma has
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: voted unanimously not to repair and return a memorial of
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Captain Cook to Melbourne Park as the vandals kept attacking
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: it saying it was you know, colonial relic and awful
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of thing. The council said, it's
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: so far cost one hundred thousand dollars to keep fixing
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: this thing. It wasn't that important really, and Cook was
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: a contested figure in relation to first Peoples, by which
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: it means original people. Is that the right call?
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Of course it's not the right call. And no one's
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: told the count the Yarra Council that Adam Bang got
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: booted out at the last election. And my advice to
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: these councils is you invited this on yourselves when you
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: stop focusing on the things that actually Rate Pays expect
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: you to do, which is pick up the bins and
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: keep things clean. And you dived into all of this
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: social engineering and all of that sort of garbage. You
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: invite this kind of behavior. In my view, it's a
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: great way to spend Rate Pays money is to ensure
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: that vandals don't get off scott free. Whack a few
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: SEECTVS cameras up there. You'll soon find the people you're
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: looking for. And when there are actual consequences, these kinds
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: of behavior, behaviors tend to dissipate. I mean it's literally
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: play stupid games, win stupid prize as Andrew.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Except one hundred thousand dollars is a lot of money,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: isn't it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: It is a lot of money, But at what price?
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: You just asked a question about multiculturalism and immigration? At
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: what cost do we let these people run riot through
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: our neighborhoods and through our parks and carrying on like
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: this without any consequence whatsoever? You can say, Yeah, it's
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: one hundred grand. Is it worth a hundred grand to
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: put a stop to it? To actually ensure that these
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: people can get Caught'll at least give it a fighting
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: chance for them to get caught. And you just roll
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: over like a drover's dog and say, do whatever the
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: hell you want.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I think you're probably right. Can you tell me, Jemma,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: why are so many women attacking Susan Lee? Is it
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: that the genuinely don't think she's any good? Is it
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: women don't really support women like we are told they do.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Is it is she a man's woman rather than a
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: woman's woman? You know, such a category as exist?
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: What is it?
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know the answer that actually didn't know that
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: so many women were attacking Susan Lee. I made a
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: comment on my weekend column because I didn't feel like
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: she was particularly relevant. But I'm always happy to be
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: wrong for the right reasons. I don't think. I don't
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: know the answer to that. If she's capable, then she'll
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: prove herself capable. My personal issue is I hate the
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: argument that she says, chucky you, that the problem and
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: everything will be fine, That she's just a patently incorrect,
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: flawed way of thinking. That's an insult to every woman
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: born of woman. So I don't know. I hope for
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: the party's sake that she thrives. Will she Time will tell.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: What do you make of it? Christy?
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: I don't know why people are attacking Susan Lee. She's
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: had one day in the job, and I think Andrew,
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: you and I both know part of that has got
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: to do with the undercurrent of Liberal Party factionalism and
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: how close vote was and how the deals were done,
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: and my mind, weren't some deals done So we see
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: that spill out into the open. I think it's fantastic
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: that the coalition has taken such a long time, or
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: shall I say the Liberal Party, my party's part of
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: the coalition to elect a female leader. A lot of
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: people are making comparisons to past people who've had to
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: go The party room has to elect you. For that,
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: you have to gather enough votes for the party room
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: to elect you. But I'm glad that's a wonderful moment
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: for the coalition. I think she deserves to be taken
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: seriously and deserves to have some clear air, which you know,
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: it lasts about a day in politics, that clear air
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: that you get. But the Liberal Party should not be
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: in a position of creating a median narrative around attacking
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: the new leader.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: That is the last thing the party needs as Amen's
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: to go forward.
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: And demman strike to the Australian public that they are
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: taking their jobs seriously of giving an alternative government to Australians,
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: not attacking each other.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Just stop.
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: We don't really care about the federl intervention in New
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: South Wales.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: We were people to vote for us again, Yes I
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: could sing it since I so agree with you. I'm
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: so like if they think that voters absolutely care about
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: all of that factional bars that they're obsessed with, they
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: haven't worked out that they just got shellacked two weekends ago.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Just stop it.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: But Jimma, you know, yeah, when you are particularly if
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: you are the first right a first in this case,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the first woman to lead the Liberal Party. Sure, there'll
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: be a huge expectation on you too, somehow be a
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: woman leader as different from a man. You know, just
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: show that.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think I know that. That's I think the
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: pressure is to be magfaction resisted that.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: No.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: What I mean is like you, she's the first woman
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: leader and that's an honor. The pressure is not like everyone.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: I think Christy might have a different view, but I
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: suspect that there'll be a whole cohort of people on
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: the sideline sort of rubbing their hands waiting for her
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: to fail. And again, could not agree more with what
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Christie said before the one Just get out of the
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: way and be part of a team that shows that
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: it values Australian voters and wants to show them why
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: they're different and why they should actually be trusted with
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: their vote. And dare I say this to be a
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: little bit cheeky and provocative, get a little bit of
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: the Labor Party's discipline while you're at it, A bit
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: of discipline and a bit of focus.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's right. It was most undisciplined. Particularly, I
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: was so surprised by Fiona Scott, the vice president of
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: the Liberal Party, to seem so lukewarm. I mean, what
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: on earth was that? Christmasweeney, Jimmy Todney. Thank you very
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: much to you both. That's it from me, Sherry Mark
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: soon next good note