Latest / Petty and Unbothered / #22 - Petty Parasocial Peelings
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- Robin Axline: Welcome to Petty and Unbothered. How are you doing today, Lora Tita Lors: am I doing today? I can't tell if the way that I'm feeling is because I spent a lot of time with a new dog that I'm allergic to or I'm recovering from getting sick from whatever my daughter had. Yeah. or it's just seasonal allergies. can't tell, but I've been editing stuff and I'm like, Hey, you've been sick for a long time. At what point are you supposed to go to the doctor? Yeah. So that's, that's what I'm doing, but mostly I'm good. This, the Tylenol is starting to kick in. Only took like two hours for it to, for that. I Robin Axline: Okay. Geez. That Tylenol. Tita Lors: know. Um. So it's there or maybe it's just because I was hungry. I've been eating. I did eat today and I ate yesterday. I'm just not eating enough calories. I don't know what it is. But yeah, so that's where we're at. The headache has gone down slightly. So indeed, Yeah. Robin Axline: I'm well thanks. It's well the sun is trying to peek out today. It's still a little gray out here in Brooklyn. It's been a lot of weather ups and downs here. Tita Lors: Good. Yeah, this this year's weather has been I used to laugh about like California being like in the day throughout the day, I would be like, oh my gosh, California weather so bipolar because you need like a sweater in the morning and then and then you're like you need shorts in the afternoon and then in the evening you might need a sweater again. it's predictable in that way because you know it's going to be like that, especially like marine layers in the morning. It's like a little bit misty. So you know that's going to be there. It's going to all burn away in the afternoon and then it's going to get a little cool in the evening. Robin Axline: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's pretty much it. Tita Lors: Yeah, but out here it's like, it's perfectly sunny and then you get a random thunderstorm in the middle of the day that came from nowhere. Yeah. And then it's sunny again. I really don't know how to dress. So I'm like wearing flip-flops in the rain. That was literally me yesterday. I've got my sweats on with my tank top and flippy floppies and it rained. Okay. Wow. I don't know what to do. Robin Axline: No. Yeah, that was a little bit me yesterday. was coming home from the gym and I had a slight chill. I had decided it was warm enough not to bring a little jacket or something. And I was wearing shorts and I was like, I need to get home and quick. Like it was a lot colder than when I went there. Tita Lors: Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah, no. Also, like I did a Pilates class and when I went in for the Pilates class, it was so nice. Lovely day. And by the time I came out of the Pilates class, gloomy. It was like about to rain and I'm all, what is happening? Robin Axline: Yeah, yeah, wild weather's playing tricks. Tita Lors: Seriously. Just... I guess this is spring in everywhere else. I've been spoiled. Robin Axline: Pretty much. Yeah, so I'm happy to be here, happy to be recording with you, and I decided that this episode would be kind of geared towards friendships and how a friendship can drift. And that's always a sad thing and sometimes there's a reason behind it, but sometimes things just happen and people lose touch for various reasons. And this particular friendship that I decided to talk about, it's technically not really our business, but Tita Lors: Is it ever? Is it ever? Robin Axline: Right? Right? That's fair. But yes, so this has fully consumed my brain anyways. Tita Lors: Well, okay, I have a question for you before we get into it. Have you ever like, do you notice when you're sorry, what's the question? Because this is about like a close friendship that has kind of drifted apart for whatever reason from what I'm gathering. Like, that ever happened for you? Have you ever experienced that? Robin Axline: Yeah, a couple times in my life, yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: it's just things stop. I don't know, just like the conversation just slowed down into nothing. So yeah, it definitely can happen real quick. And then when you feel like maybe you're not included in certain life things where you thought you were really close with this person and then you're not, then it's like hard not to take it a certain way. So yeah. Good question. I think I, if you're really close friends, I think that's harder for me anyway. Yeah. And you've, yeah. Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Yeah, same. I think I've I've told Ryan before, too. I've been like, sure, I would be hurt. If we ever broke up, Robin Axline: You Tita Lors: I would be crushed. If like a few and I've named them like my other friends, if those friendships ever ended, I'd be crushed. They would suck. Sorry. Sorry. Not sorry. Robin Axline: Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. not sorry. but you have you experienced that as well? That kind of friendship drift? Tita Lors: Yeah, the first time was like leaving elementary school. Very aware. Yeah, Robin Axline: Hmm. Curious. Tita Lors: I was very aware that like this school that I went to, I had to test into, I wasn't gated, but I was in like the whatever program that got me into this school. who just disappeared, honestly, I like, I don't even know what happened to her. I'm like, we were really, really close. And then, and then I don't know, like I tried texting because self-holds finally were a thing and nothing ever just off the face of the earth. And I was like, that sucks. So definitely that and like in relationships ebbing and flowing and growing kind of apart, but somehow finding our ways to stay connected and get back together. And even one where I was like, I'm surprised you actually like me that much. I didn't think you liked me at all. yeah, that one was really shocking to me, but I'm actually really grateful for that friendship. I love it. I'm so glad to be a part of this person's life and that they had the ability to be so forgiving of who I was in high school. So, that there's so there's that there's like lots of shifts and changes and friendships, but definitely. Friendships are more crushing than breakups. Robin Axline: Yeah, I concur. Tita Lors: hahaha Robin Axline: So, yes, in that vein, we will be talking about those types of situations and I'm going to be pointing out a particular one, but first I just wanted to say that a public friendship drift or breakup, whatever it is, I feel like in some corners of the internet, people just start assigning roles to explain why... partnerships are no longer like bringing in say other friends, spouses, partners into the narrative and it's kind of gross when people I guess a lot of people just have these parasocial relationships where they think they can be the detective and it's more about how people like fill in the gaps when they don't have answers. And before I get into this too, I just want to be very clear with the audience that some of this is not verified on exactly the details of reporting, but full disclaimer, because there was some news that came out fairly recently about Key and Peel. and an internet conspiracy where people are guessing what's happening and people are doing- people involved with them have done some subtweets over the years and- It's just crazy. But, you know, I think personally, like creative friendships change over time. And like that happens a lot with creative endeavors. I I've worked on a few projects, film projects, for example, where our differences just started to divide and divide until I didn't want to be part of the project anymore. And so I definitely know those types of things and you just have to listen to yourself and not worry about what other people think. And Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Yeah, for sure. Except here. If that happens here, we're going to therapy. Robin Axline: I'm down, let's, I mean, that's fair, that's, I think that would work. Tita Lors: We have to figure it out, Robin. Robin Axline: Yeah, we'll work it out. But, yeah, so with this key and peel of it all, it feels like the general gen pop of the world are saying, people grew apart. is not enough for them. And it goes back to what I was saying is you need like a villain, a betrayal, a manipulator, hidden agenda. why? Yeah, they need all the TikToks and the Reddits and Tita Lors: Ha ha ha. Robin Axline: all that good stuff. So, yeah, there's always someone in the comments acting like they personally invested the situation and going like, I knew it, or I don't know, I'm just picturing like one of those cork boards with like the red strings going around. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Tita Lors: Yeah, I call it the murder board. Robin Axline: But this one really got the internet a buzz because there was a storytelling video from a comedian named Akilah Hughes and people started circulating it online and Again, this is just internet discourse. This isn't Laura and I claiming facts. This is not a documentary. No, but I Tita Lors: We don't know anything. Robin Axline: just think it's fascinating and it's specifically how online storytelling can turn into like a fan fiction like that. And so in this, Tita Lors: Mm, ooh. We all love a fan fiction. Robin Axline: y'all good at it. Tita Lors: Hahaha Robin Axline: But yeah, so in this storytelling set, Akilah Hughes describes developing a comedy project with a well-known comedy figure attached. And she uses a lot of coded references with altered details and they meet and immediately the internet's like, who is she talking about? And the second these people think that they solved something, then more and more people become detectives. And according to the story, she tells about a project that allegedly became more complicated once the comedian's spouse became creatively involved. Maybe like a Yoko situation? I don't know. Tita Lors: You I was like, Hilary Duff? Robin Axline: Yeah, yeah yeah yeah nice callback. Tita Lors: you Robin Axline: But I guess there was disagreement, development tension, legal concerns, production issues, and all of it layered into a messy breakdown. And According to the internet, this could be why Key and Peel don't work together anymore. Yeah. And that does seem like a big emotional leap, but also sometimes people connect the dots and it kind of makes sense in a way, because certain things kind of check out. And... It still seems like a pretty ambiguous story to leap to that conclusion, but I think it's a way to kind of categorize this type of friendship breakup. Creative duo, fame, distance, different careers, and now we need a reason why. And people don't like change. Like, they've changed. They've become a sellout. and people don't like say how their careers evolve differently or how they aren't in the same like wavelength. People just get uneasy and like I mentioned almost like a parasocial way. Tita Lors: Okay, yeah, it is exactly what you think it is. I was thinking about other people, like the Nickelodeon people, but no. Robin Axline: Now you know what I'm talking about. Tita Lors: Yeah, no, I knew it was them, but I was like, did they come up in Nickelodeon together? But that's a different one. I was thinking about the Good Burger duo. Yes, exactly. Keenan and Kel. And I was like, no. Robin Axline: Keenan and Kel. I think they're still pretty tight. Tita Lors: They are, yeah yeah, it's not like they... They don't really work on stuff together, but they are. I was thinking... Yeah. Robin Axline: Yeah, except Good Burger, the sequel. Which was actually fairly decent. I was pleasantly surprised. Yeah, it's kind of fun. So one person gets into horror filmmaking. Like get out. And like, it's totally a leap from comedy, say. And Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: then the other one, who is? Keegan Key starts doing game shows and voiceover work. And a lot of time passes and they just, that's how their careers are unfolding. And through all this, I actually started to get a little bit emotional when I was revisiting their origin story. Because I... I really felt that their relationship or partnership was genuinely kind of beautiful. Like how, like people can kind of find their person for that season per se. So Jordan Peele was performing at Boom Chicago in Amsterdam. I'm not sure if you are aware of that, but it's, Tita Lors: Nope. Robin Axline: it's like a comedy and improv. theater in Amsterdam called Boom Chicago. And they have connections with Second City in Chicago, which is a famous improv theater and performance space. So Jordan Peele was in Amsterdam and Keegan Michael Key was at Second City in Chicago. And in 2002, the two comedy worlds did a stage swap. Basically... Kind of two ships passing in the night. To me it sounds like these two... It could be like an indie movie, like Improv Soulmates. Two improvisers, two cities. Tita Lors: I thought you were gonna say, and this is how they met, fate brought them together. Robin Axline: Well, let's see. That's what I'm thinking the way I'm telling it. I'm like, coming this fall. Tita Lors: story of two comedians. Robin Axline: Yeah. I just started, it just started like building up in my head. I'm like, and starring. Tita Lors: You Robin Axline: Insert indie actor here. but basically they recognize each other's creative recognition in a way like, your brain works like mine. Cause they end up performing together. And. So there's a story that one of them referenced something personal, the other had told them backstage earlier that day during an improvised scene later that night. And what made it so it wasn't... What made the moment so it wasn't just funny is it meant that somebody had been listening closely enough to use it in real time. And... That is, I would say that is key in improvising. Me as an improviser is just the listening is one of the hardest parts. Not being funny, but just being present with the other performer. Tita Lors: Do you think though, like in a situation like that, cause I could see it going in the way of you use something personal that I said behind the scenes in this thing and I'm now hurt by that. What's, what's like the, what are the rules and regulations around that? Robin Axline: Honestly, I thought of that and I was like, I that would not fly. I don't know what the personal thing was. Maybe it wasn't something so outrageous, but especially with someone you're not comfortable performing with, you don't Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: do that. Like it'll besides making you feel self conscious also. it might take you off your game, because then you're like out of your head or in your head. Yeah, so I feel like I've seen a lot of really seasoned ImRov performers that are comfortable with each other. They can kind of bring up personal things that they know the other person isn't going to be offended about. So this particular case, I'm not really sure, but that's what I read, that that's kind of how they realized that they had like a high mind kind of situation. I'm not... It was gizmet. Tita Lors: Mm-hmm, it was meant to be. That's exactly the word I was thinking in my brain. I just didn't say it. Robin Axline: Nice. But yeah, no, you're right to raise that question because I went in, I was researching, I was like, that sounds a little weird. Like, I don't think I would like that personally. Tita Lors: I definitely wouldn't. I would have been like, wow, that's kind of a dig. Robin Axline: Yeah, like you were listening to me, but you could tell me a different way. Tita Lors: Yeah, like thank you. Yeah, thank you for being present and being there, but did you have to use it as like a comedy thing? But also I guess it depends what it is because if it's like whatever, if I'm whatever about it, I'm laughing about it and like hee-heeing and ha-haing about it as I'm telling somebody else and you picked up on that and then you used it, would have been like, okay, I see you. Robin Axline: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Tita Lors: Just you wait, Enry Eagans. I was paying attention too. I got something for you. Robin Axline: It'll be too late. Tita Lors: you Robin Axline: so the other thing is like if in improv they probably are doing it as another character just using that as like inspiration but still like I said it could throw you off your game if you weren't prepared for that. And so they, surprise surprise, they both became friends. And later they both ended up auditioning for MADtv. No, I don't believe so. And this one that they were on was like a second wave of it. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure like how much, don't remember how much of a hiatus there was, but that's kind of when I stopped watching a little bit. Like I did watch Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: it sometimes, but I watched like the original cast like every single Saturday. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. It's a little bigger institution. Pretty established. Tita Lors: Yeah, fair. Robin Axline: So. Plus Fox wasn't always like a legit station, but I digress. That could be a whole different topic. Anywho, they both end up auditioning and this... basically they were... competing for a similar opportunity, which can be hard on a friendship as well. I've heard stories about other comedians auditioning for SNL and one person gets it and the other person doesn't. So this one is kind of similar and they don't try to outdo each other. They actually started collaborating, which is something that's not typically done. So... the producers noticed their chemistry was so strong that they ended up hiring both. Which is pretty, pretty cool. And they... yeah. Mm-hmm. wow. That's amazing. How interesting. Yeah, because she hadn't had any real background before then, so. Good for her. Congrats. Tita Lors: I know, right? What's it like to be blessed? But I can see that, like Robin Axline: Yes, serious. Tita Lors: people being able to see the chemistry between the two of them and being like, OK, this is something. Mm Robin Axline: Yeah, this is something bigger for sure. So then they keep collaborating and keep making sketches together on the side and that becomes key and peel. Are you, did you watch a lot of that or? Yeah. Tita Lors: I did. Yeah. I know them mostly from the sketches, not really from like, that TV. Yeah. Robin Axline: Yeah, same, Yeah. And everybody has like their favorite sketches. I think, like there's some that I still reference to this day that are so funny. Exactly. I do that Tita Lors: Hahaha Robin Axline: one all the time. It's like a A-ron or whatever. I like the other one, the noise. He's like, say noise and like doing a break dance and Tita Lors: The one that I love is like when you're texting, the texting back and forth Robin Axline: mm-hmm. Tita Lors: where one person is like, okay. And they think it's a lot more aggressive than it is, but the other person's like, yeah, that sounds good. And they're just totally different vibes. Robin Axline: I love that one. That's a really good one. I'm going to play a second of that substitute teacher. Why not? this is one of my favorite ones. Tita Lors: You Robin Axline: Okay, that one I feel like has like a part of pop culture. Like, Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Robin Axline: it's almost second, like nobody's even thinking about the show. But I do like that one. I also wanted to share one more clip. So that's the little gist of it. Now you get kind of the vibe of her. Lock and banana. Tita Lors: Lock and banana. But also why is the music playing? Robin Axline: I don't know, I think it's trying to be like this multi... I don't know, storytelling... Yeah, the jazz... Tita Lors: No, it was so distracting. At first I was like, why are they, are they doing that on purpose? can't tell. It was weird. Robin Axline: I think it was like, I don't know, supposed to be like a cabaret show or I don't know what's going on. Jazz, jazzy Tita Lors: I guess. That was really confusing. Robin Axline: people could have toned it down a bit. Tita Lors: For real, they could have lowered... It could have been elevator music. It would have been way better. Robin Axline: Totally. So yeah, mean, key lock, peel, banana, come on, no. But basically she just goes on to say how she was screwed over with the show and obviously didn't happen. And... Yeah, yeah, it's. We could. Tita Lors: Can we watch the rest of it? Yeah, let's watch the rest of it because I want to know what happened. Robin Axline: Okay. All right. We have to cut some of this out. But okay, let's watch it. Tita Lors: Yeah, no, that's OK. OK. on. Who is his wife? Robin Axline: I think you're gonna be surprised. your reaction. Tita Lors: Is it the new wife or the old wife who's ruining him? Robin Axline: It must be the new one. Because if she's like talking about Tita Lors: Yeah, because the old wife, they divorced in 2017. So yeah, it's got to be the old wife or the new wife. Sorry. The old wife, they Robin Axline: yeah. Tita Lors: divorced in 2017. So it's got to be the new wife. The new one, sorry. Yeah. Robin Axline: It's the new one because I remember now her name is L and I read that when I was doing my research. Tita Lors: Sorry, I can't get my timeframes. Wow. Okay, this is very much Yoko, think, except wasn't Yoko kind of cool in her own right? Robin Axline: Oh yeah, she actually... Yeah, and she was an artist before... Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: I mean, and she's incredibly intelligent. Like, she produced a lot of stuff too. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yes. So, that's a little different. Tita Lors: before she ever met the Beatles. Yeah, like she was a star in her own right. She was already somebody. I don't even know who the hell this chick is. Robin Axline: I don't either I mean it said she was in some stuff, but I Apparently, she's won Oscars, I'm assuming, for producing. That's what that... a Tita Lors: What? Producing what? Robin Axline: wall? If anything, really do like that comedian now. That Akela Hughes. I'm like, hmm. Tita Lors: I do, yeah. so her name used to be Elisa Puglesi, AKA El Key. Now, she changed her name. Robin Axline: I really liked that. yeah, and then Jordan Peele is married to that comedian chick, Chelsea Peretti. Yeah, me too. Like, I would trust her calling that chick and being like, better watch your back. Tita Lors: Yeah. Yeah. And she's so funny, too. And again, she's like. I don't know if this was before after she met Jordan, but like in her own right, she's got her own stuff going for her. And she's really, she's really in everything that I've seen her in. She's really funny and kind. But again, right? Like this is a parasocial relationship that I have with this comedian now, but. Robin Axline: Yeah, she doesn't give me the ick or anything. Tita Lors: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like I know, I know who she is separate of her husband. Like it isn't, I know her because of her husband. I know her separately. And then it's like, shit, I didn't realize she was married to him. That's super cool. What a duo. Lame. Robin Axline: Yeah, so now you can see why I didn't want to be like all anti the wife, but it's really hard not to be. Once I watched that, I was like, okay, there's gotta be something to this. It just can't. Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Also, I don't think any of the movies she did were comedies. Like a School of Rock. Robin Axline: Full rock, but. Tita Lors: Yeah, but nothing... Wait, the Junior Defender? I don't know, whatever. Mm-hmm. Every. Yeah. Everything except for School of Rock is nothing I've ever seen before. I'm like, Robin Axline: nothing I've ever seen. Tita Lors: what kind of credit did she get for School of Rock? She's a concert goer. Robin Axline: my god, like a featured extra or something. Tita Lors: I would never put that on my IMDB. Man, okay, here's one with Kristen Stewart. was in The Cake Eaters. That sounds familiar, actually. Yeah. She's Stacy, whoever Stacy is in that movie. Robin Axline: Wow. And then like also what really blew my mind is that if that wife called the comedian chick and said that she is like Phil Hartman's wife that was like WTF. Well it's long story short the wife shot him and he died. So for somebody to be like, yeah. Tita Lors: him! I do know him! Wow. Yikes. Yeah, he was. is that him when he was younger? He's a looker. Okay, sorry, continue. Robin Axline: No, this is a fun, fun side, Tandit. We can figure out how to maybe work some of this in IDK. Tita Lors: It's all relevant and important people. I need to know who the cast is. Robin Axline: Yes. Research, research. Yeah. But yeah, I was just like, when she was like, Tita Lors: you Robin Axline: Peel's Tita Lors: Okay. Robin Axline: wife called and said that, I was like, dang, that's wild. Wild thing to say. I'm trying to figure out how we're gonna work this in. Anyway, the Tita Lors: Yeah Robin Axline: video from the comedian really revealed a lot of shocking things that sound pretty plausible and things kind of check out and it's like you kind of... it sounds... so like juicy and interesting that it's easy to believe I think. And so I didn't want to report on or bring this to the table as like facts but it's a little bit hard not to when you really like go down the rabbit hole about the relationship between he and Michael Key and his wife Elle. Tita Lors: Yeah. Well, okay, let's do our own detective work. So they started making stuff together. I don't know if you know this, or if we have to like research this right now. But they started making or working together and making films together around what time? Robin Axline: Okay, he was on Mad TV first. And that was 2004 to 2009. Tita Lors: Okay, and then, when did they stop? Robin Axline: So yeah, they did a bunch of things and then they got Comedy Central sketch series, Key and Peel, which began airing 2012. Tita Lors: Okay, so I put last movie Keon Peele did together. The last movie they did together was in 2022 and it was a stop motion animated film called Bundle and Wild and they voiced the characters. But before that, their last live action movie collaboration was in, huh? It was in 2016 and it was an action comedy, yeah, Keanu. Mm-hmm. And he got a divorce and got married in 2017. Yup. Okay, yeah, so you got a divorce 2017 and got married in 2018. When did they meet? Robin Axline: Let me see... Yeah, I know, now we're like living the... Tita Lors: This is what everyone else is doing We're just like them this is why it's so interesting, okay When did when did key and L meet? So they met in late 2015 or early 2016 when Key first separated from his wife and their relationship began professionally as producer and director. No wait, when L, a producer and director noticed Key's work after the conclusion of Key and Peele and felt his talents were being underutilized. Robin Axline: That's a red flag right there. Like right when he is tough wars. Tita Lors: Wait, the math is not mapping! Robin Axline: man. Because the wiki says they were legally or this is him and his first wife they're legally separated November Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: 2015 with he filing for divorce the following month. And then it's like he married producer director L on June 2018. No, they were separated in 2015 and then, oh, oh yeah. Tita Lors: okay. Yeah. So I'm trying to decipher. Did he meet her before they got separated? Or did was he already separated and then he met her? Yeah, so were they separated early 2015? Robin Axline: Well, this says November 2015. Tita Lors: That's late 2015. you Robin Axline: Yes, late 2015. This is when they were legally Tita Lors: my Robin Axline: legally separated. Tita Lors: Okay, well, you know, people can be like, okay, we're over this relationship a lot earlier than they do the legal stuff. So Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: the math can math there. She saw his talent and definitely. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm not going to make any assumptions. But the assumptions are there. Robin Axline: Exactly, exactly. That's why I had to bring this story. Tita Lors: I can see where everyone's going with this. For sure. I see where everyone's taking this train, right? Like this woman saw this creative, amazing man and was like, that's my ticket. Robin Axline: time. It's really hard not to think that. Tita Lors: Yeah, that's rough. And because he was doing really, really well and to see and that's you know what, everybody, this is why it's so important to really think about your partner and who you're going to spend the rest of your life with. OK, because. See. One side of that duo, that partnership, found somebody who on their own was established and had their own ambition and was able to see that other person's, they probably... are encouraging each other and uplifting each other and they both have their own stuff. They are each their own person and they pour into a relationship together and like you can see how they're uplifting each other and just continuing forward. Whereas if you're not careful about who you end up in a relationship with. Some people can be very draining. And they can pull you down or hold you down and make you stagnant in your life. Robin Axline: Yes, yes. Tita Lors: She's an amazing actress on her own. Elsa. Elsa Pataki. Like, they, when... when they started having kids, made the choice that she was going to take a step back from her career and let him have this amazing career. even at the height of his career, when he was doing really well, he was like, OK, well, she wanted to get back into it. And he was like, OK. And he took a step back and he let her start to rise and like get her career back and get like have herself back. And and they're both pretty amazing actors just on their own accord and they make space for each other and they're not competing with each other they're not using each other they're not leeching off of each other they are saying that like you are a full-ass whole human being on your own and we each get the we each deserve to grow and to shine and to be our own person that we're not like using each other So it's so important, Yeah, like how you how you show up for your partner and how your partner shows up for you like. that sucks that this is such an example of like the person that you choose to spend your life with can really bring you down. If that's what's happening, which it looks like it is, if that's what's happening, allegedly. Robin Axline: big time. If that's what's allegedly. But either if even if it's not, it is a perfect example. Hard agree. Tita Lors: Yeah. Yeah. Right? Like even if she's not doing it on purpose, even if like she's not as horrible as everyone thinks, there's something in that pairing that isn't working. So. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Don't ever let anybody dull your shine. Robin Axline: Yeah, don't let them do it. Just don't. It's easier said than done, but so many tangents. Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Okay, sorry. So many tangents. We're gonna get through this. Robin Axline: We're gonna do it. Okay, so. I noticed also rewatching some of their clips as I was researching that you can kind of see Jordan Peele's horror instincts kind of forming to some of the characters that he does and like the besides that like some of the tension in the sketches and how it escalates and how it can make you feel a little bit uncomfortable and kind of really, I could definitely see that future like get out brain swirling around and some of his stuff. Tita Lors: Yeah. Yeah. Like the one where they're like, oh, do you have a couple dollars? Can you spare some change? This amount of money can save like this many kids. And the person's like, no, no. OK, OK. And then they bring up a ban. They're like, nope, sorry, sorry. No, they didn't pay for anything. Like, Robin Axline: yeah. Tita Lors: wait, wait, wait, how much? How much for each kid? How much do I need to give you for these kids? Robin Axline: man, yeah, yeah, that's a perfect example where it's like kind of twisted, like... So yeah, kind of like those psychological little experiences. And so when people were Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: surprised about it moving into horror, now I'm like, no, that totally makes perfect sense. Like he didn't really do much of a genre shift. He just evolved into like his next form, I think. Tita Lors: Yeah, he, he just found a different form to, to get that message out there. Right? It was always there. He's just making it lot more obvious and in your face and scary. Because the things he talks about is like, that is scary. Yeah. Robin Axline: Totally, yeah. So, yeah, totally. I'm glad you see that too. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: But of course, like, the internet doesn't like unanswered questions. Like, why are you different from your comedy self? That's the you I loved kind of nonsense that goes around and people start, like, coming up with explanations, like, why. he would do something or, or, or of course the internet also does always have to blame the woman involved. Like, was it his wife or was it this or just how it is, I guess. But Tita Lors: Naturally. It's always the spouse. Robin Axline: the internet again, just has like that habit of why, why did this fall apart? What, who influenced who, what happened behind the scenes? Even though Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Art. Not even creative projects, but like people. People change. People evolve. Wait, again. Exactly. Like if you're the same person you were 10 years ago, that's not a good thing. I wouldn't, Robin Axline: No, yeah. Tita Lors: yeah, I would not be proud of that if I was the same person I was 10 years ago. I don't think I would be proud of that. I'm like trying to think. I was 10 years ago. I mean, I was pretty cool. I was like backpacking and shit, but like, but there were definitely, there was lots of growth that needed to happen for that, for that person when I was that old. And if, if you haven't shifted or changed even just a little bit, if you haven't grown or learned something, even just a little bit, then what are you doing, my guy? Robin Axline: No, I, yeah, that is so true. Yeah, I'm like, I'm learning stuff every day and I feel like I'm always like changing and evolving and like if I was who I was 10 years ago, that would be wild and probably disturbing. Tita Lors: Please. Robin Axline: Like, yeah, get some help my guy. Tita Lors: Yeah. Right. So for people to be like, you're not allowed to change as a creative person. You're not allowed to move in a different direction or explore something else. It's a little wild. Like, I get it's uncomfortable for you because you want the stability and knowing what you're getting. But like, that's not fair for the artist or the person that you're consuming, basically. Robin Axline: Yeah, yeah, just let them cook, you know. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: But, so, so this is what I was going to mention too, which is such a strange coincidence. And this is like a couple of months ago now. in my improv group that I was with, quite a few, a handful of people in that group happened to work pretty deep in media and entertainment. And they were, they used to talk about like, kind of industry rumors and stuff before the class got started. And sometimes I would kind of like listen. And they were talking about two comedians. And then one person was like, Oh, do you mean Key or something? and the other guy's like, yeah, or something. And I was like, Tita Lors: Yeah Robin Axline: I'm listening. And this is like months ago. And somebody said eventually more drama is probably going to come out there. And was like, what? More drama. What is the drama originally? And so, yeah. Tita Lors: Yeah, spill the goddamn tea. Robin Axline: And like, everybody was kind of, you could tell those other people were kind of listening too, because it got kind Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: of quiet. And I was like, all right, cool. It's not just me. But everybody was like acting casual, like, they're obviously listening. Spill, spill, spill. Tita Lors: You've already alluded to it, you might as well just say it. Robin Axline: I know and I was like, man, what is it? I just like started reeling. even Googled Tita Lors: you Robin Axline: him like this was a few months ago and nothing really came up. Tita Lors: huh. Robin Axline: And so. Someone else though in the conversation that kind of stuck with me is they said how while every creative duo either slowly becomes two separate careers or just stops being a duo and nobody announces it. And so was like, hmm, so, you know, did they officially break up or what is happening? but yeah, I just. I don't know, to me I just thought, well, if they are breaking up, people change and they're clearly doing different things in their lives. And I don't know, I just wanted to share, share that little anecdote because I thought it was so funny. Like, and I also thought the pettiest part of this whole thing is how quickly everybody has signs, meaning even when you don't have the juice, like, Tita Lors: Yeah, I mean, look at us. Robin Axline: Just look at us. Tita Lors: I know. Look at us. Us too, just here doing exactly what we're judging other people for doing. Robin Axline: I know, I know! Well, that's the pettiness of it all, I suppose. I'm trying to do it gracefully, who knows? Tita Lors: you Robin Axline: Anyway, yeah, I mean, I basically just thought it was just interesting that this whole breakup thing came forward, especially when this information about the wife came up and I know. It's, it's, I feel like their breakup isn't particularly dramatic because there's no real arc in it. It's just like they drifted apart. It's painfully relatable to most people and a person slowly realizing their best friend has shifted their attention is life. Tita Lors: It is. Also, like, you can always do... There are people in my life who I love you so much and I want the best for you in your life, but the decisions that you've made just make it really hard to be around you. So all you can do is just stand there and show up when shit hits the fan. it's so hard to watch all of that. Yeah. Robin Axline: It's not, I mean, it's just not easy to see. Tita Lors: Yeah. Like for all we know, they could still be really good friends, but there's not... What is he supposed to do? Like if he says something now... Robin Axline: Yeah, what what's it gonna be? You know, I mean, I could even imagine like how friendships kind of drift, you know, when you like, text, text, text, we're friends, and then all of a sudden, it just turns to like an emoji here and there. And it just gets slower and slower, slower. That could have happened between them too, where they just kind of weren't collaborating, collabing anymore. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, basically, I think it's, I think it's just something that happens and people go into different lives and maybe that's just enough. And I think that's basically all I have to say about this whole story. It's kind of a thing that happens. I still, I still am tripping though that. These people in my group were like talking about it. And I s- it- some of the little things kind of sounded like the story. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: So I was like, hmm, I wonder what it was. And then now this finally came out and I'm like, aha! That's what it was! Figured it out! It Tita Lors: Maybe it's that! Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Robin Axline: wasn't just them breaking up, there was more to it, so. Anywho, yes, that's pretty much the story I have for y'all today. And you guys can jump in and make your own murder board. Like Tita Lors: Good one. Loved it. That was so fun. Robin Axline: we almost did. Tita Lors: I have my little post-it. Robin Axline: Brilliant. Tita Lors: like dates. When did they start creating together? Last movie, last live action. When did he get married? When did they meet? Robin Axline: Amazing. Tita Lors: I have the dates. The timeline's not time lining. Robin Axline: my goodness. Great. I love it. Fantastic. Tita Lors: Okay. Cult actions. Robin Axline: Oh yes, So the other thing I was gonna say is have you had a say creative person, influencer, actor, musician, that you liked the lane that they were in and they changed lanes and it kind of changed like how you thought about them or you had some kind of negative reaction to it in any way or any Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. There's just any reaction, yeah. Robin Axline: yeah or actually yeah not just negative but like any reaction did you have a similar experience to how apparently some of these fans were to Key and Peele when they kind of change lanes. I'd like to know. Yes, we both would love to know. yes, so laundry prices Tita Lors: Okie dokie. Let's close this out. We've been here forever. Robin Axline: So yes, if you liked this episode, then subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, submit us your stories, your petty situations, or your friendship drama to us. And with all that being said, we have one more thing to say to you, Lora Stay petty. Tita Lors: All right. Toodaloo! Bye! Robin Axline: All right. Bye.