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#111 - Kẻ Vô Hình · Phantom Journey's Podcast

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SPEAKER_04: Hey Matt!
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SPEAKER_02: Hey Ken, how you doing?
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SPEAKER_04: I'm doing wonderful.
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SPEAKER_04: Or as you like to say, grand.
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SPEAKER_04: Grand don't do grand.
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SPEAKER_04: Don't don't grind.
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SPEAKER_03: Guess what I'm doing?
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SPEAKER_03: What you doing?
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SPEAKER_04: So people have been listening and knowing that I had to move in with my mother-in-law and whatnot to help her out.
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SPEAKER_04: And they part of the thing that they used to sweeten the pot for me to be acceptable, not that I wouldn't be acceptable, but you know, to smooth over the news.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: They gave me one of the rooms as my man cave.
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SPEAKER_04: And I'm having an electrician and a contractor come in this next week, and he's gonna be putting in some electrical and lights and stuff.
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SPEAKER_04: But the cool thing is it's a man cave, so I don't need a closet.
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SPEAKER_04: So I've taken the closet, doors off, and I've turned it into a little alcove where against one of the walls.
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SPEAKER_04: It's it was a walk-in closet, so it's a it's not a huge, but it's not small either.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm putting a little couch.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna mount how the uh the contractor's gonna mount a TV mount on the wall.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, and then I'm gonna have my little it's my little Starfield room.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh no, it's my little room to play Starfield inside my man cave.
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SPEAKER_02: Are you gonna build like a like a like a like a what'd you cockpit?
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SPEAKER_04: No, I'm not gonna do that.
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SPEAKER_04: It's not that big, but it's it's got um so it's a rectangle.
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SPEAKER_04: So if you're looking on one of the narrow, if you're sitting on the couch on one arrow and you're looking towards the other narrow and got the TV mounted on the wall there, I got shelving that's gonna go all the way around the top, and then guess what I did?
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SPEAKER_04: What'd you do?
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SPEAKER_04: So in them in the game Starfield, and I'm sure it's a bunch of other you know video games, you know, you got posters and stuff on the wall that are kind of cool.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I went through while playing and I would take a little snapshot and I fed it through AI, and I told them I want to, I want a 24 by 36 version of this poster cleaned up that I can print out.
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SPEAKER_04: And it did, and it worked superbly.
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SPEAKER_04: That's awesome, but so not only is it a little room to play Starfield, I got really large posters that are gonna go around the room of scenes of you know some of the posters that you normally see a lot in the game, yeah, but then I also got a really cool one of my character that's like in this really cool pose with the background.
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SPEAKER_04: All right, all right.
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SPEAKER_03: So it's just like my little Starfield room now.
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SPEAKER_03: That's really cool.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm glad.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm glad you have your little I got my little Starfield cubbyhole and my little man cave.
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SPEAKER_04: Rest of the man caves filled the boxes because I haven't bought all the bookcases and stuff yet.
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SPEAKER_04: But yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, sounds good.
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SPEAKER_02: Sounds good.
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SPEAKER_04: That's my project for the next month or so.
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SPEAKER_02: That sounds awesome.
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SPEAKER_02: That's really cool.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I have mine up to a ton now myself.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, just getting stuff sorted and stuff, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, life.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, life in there, life in there.
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unknown: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: That's good.
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SPEAKER_04: That's that seems to be something that we all need to do from time to time as well.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, life.
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SPEAKER_02: Life indeed.
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SPEAKER_02: Keep breathing.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, indeed.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm looking forward to um Halloween.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Halloween's going pretty quickly.
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SPEAKER_04: It's coming too quickly because you and I haven't sat down to figure out what we're gonna do.
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SPEAKER_04: Every year, we're going into our what third we're in our third season, heading into our fourth season before before you know it.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: And we keep saying we're gonna do something special on Halloween.
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SPEAKER_04: And have we done it yet?
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unknown: No.
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SPEAKER_04: No, we need to do something special on Halloween.
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SPEAKER_02: Life gets in the way.
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SPEAKER_02: Life gets in the way.
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SPEAKER_02: So You don't hear Alan Ground saying that in Draft Park, do you think?
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SPEAKER_04: You know what?
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SPEAKER_04: Life now that I'm closer.
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SPEAKER_04: Now that I'm closer for now.
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SPEAKER_04: Well, you're not leaving before Halloween.
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SPEAKER_04: No.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, so maybe we'll find a location.
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SPEAKER_04: We wouldn't be we won't be able to record live.
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SPEAKER_04: But we record from a special location and let you know things as they happen.
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SPEAKER_04: So, okay, so the other cool thing, and this is paranormal related.
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SPEAKER_04: Not really paranormal, but paranormal related.
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SPEAKER_04: So now that I'm uh at my I'm I'm now in the burbs.
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SPEAKER_04: I've left uh a home that I've been in for 20 some odd years where you could walk outside and see the skyline of you could almost reach out and touch the skyline of LA.
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SPEAKER_04: That's how close that's how close I was to the downtown skyline.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, and now I'm in the burbs.
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SPEAKER_02: Cool, cool.
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SPEAKER_04: And let me tell you, uh, for one, I don't understand all the rules.
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SPEAKER_04: Everybody that lives in the burbs complains about living in the city and there's too many no, there's not too many rules.
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SPEAKER_04: They let you do practically anything in the city.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I get out to the burbs and I keep getting messages because I don't put the right stuff in the right trash can.
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SPEAKER_04: Now, like, for one, I don't know who's going through my trash once I put it out there.
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SPEAKER_04: Two, I never put anything like that in there.
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SPEAKER_04: And three, how the hell do you know what's in my trash can unless you go through and there's audit trash cans?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: You you have a HOA, don't you?
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SPEAKER_02: What?
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SPEAKER_02: HOA?
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SPEAKER_02: No! This is just a normal street.
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SPEAKER_04: There's no HOA involved.
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SPEAKER_04: You're just somewhere I'll knock on the door.
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SPEAKER_04: Hi, I'm I'm your HOA.
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SPEAKER_04: It's I'm not gonna say who which company it is, but it is management of waste.
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SPEAKER_04: Goodness.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah?
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SPEAKER_04: It's a it's a company that managements of waste.
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SPEAKER_04: And you didn't just mix up your beans and put your recycling in the wrong.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so okay, okay.
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SPEAKER_04: That's the other thing that doesn't make sense to me in the burbs.
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SPEAKER_04: In the city, yeah, green was your uh lawn clippings, branches, bushes.
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SPEAKER_04: Blue was recycle, black was trash.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: You get out to the burbs, it's all willy-nilly.
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SPEAKER_04: All you got the green one could be trash, it could be recycled, it's just whatever's printed on top of the pretty much on top of the can.
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SPEAKER_02: That's stupid.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't think we don't have a green beam.
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SPEAKER_02: We have a blue black, blue, and a cream.
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SPEAKER_02: That makes even more sense.
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SPEAKER_02: I know, right?
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SPEAKER_02: The cream one gets all the the clippings and stuff, and the blue will be.
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SPEAKER_04: Because green for grass would be just really weird.
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SPEAKER_04: Right?
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SPEAKER_04: And and blue is recyclable as the world the color resembling recyclables.
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SPEAKER_04: But no, here in the burbs, it means trash.
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SPEAKER_04: And the black is recyclable.
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SPEAKER_04: What the hell, man?
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SPEAKER_04: Well, I just don't understand.
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SPEAKER_04: People I've always heard people that live in the suburbs are like, oh, there's too many rules, there's too many regulations in the city.
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SPEAKER_04: It's like, I come here and like, oh my god, you guys are living in an authoritarian uh democra, you know, uh authoritarian uh uh kingdom versus all the things that they just lost.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: People in L in LA down in the city, if you don't want something that's big, you just put it on the street, and if it's not taken by uh by uh you know people uh you gotta be careful there in LA.
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SPEAKER_02: If you put your qu your your children on the street for a second, turn around, look back, they're gone.
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SPEAKER_03: They're gone because they've been recycled by some uh you know on the someone looking for uh that was a bad example.
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SPEAKER_02: What I mean is you you put your coffee on your on your thing and you turn around for a second, gone.
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SPEAKER_04: Well you gotta be gotta keep your eye on your coffee.
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SPEAKER_04: That's that's a six bucks a cup, so minimum.
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SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_04: So anyway, that I I'm sorry I digress.
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SPEAKER_04: That's just my my venture into the burbs.
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SPEAKER_02: There we go.
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SPEAKER_04: I just don't understand all the rules, people.
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SPEAKER_04: Don't tell, don't tell me that the city has more rules because everywhere has more rules.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, somewhere else.
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SPEAKER_04: You've got too much time on your hands if you're sending people around looking in other people's trash.
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SPEAKER_04: That is true.
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SPEAKER_04: I just took up the whole first section with my grant.
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SPEAKER_02: But that's what we're here for.
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SPEAKER_02: For people to listen to me.
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SPEAKER_02: For people to listen to me.
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SPEAKER_03: Nobody else listens to me.
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SPEAKER_02: We are therapy for ourselves.
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SPEAKER_02: We'll be right back.
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SPEAKER_02: We'll be right back.
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SPEAKER_02: Stay tuned.
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SPEAKER_01: We're back.
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SPEAKER_02: We're back, and Ken's done with his rant.
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SPEAKER_02: He is.
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SPEAKER_02: But you know what?
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SPEAKER_02: That's okay.
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SPEAKER_02: We're allowed.
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SPEAKER_04: We're allowed.
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SPEAKER_02: Because you you still listen.
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SPEAKER_02: Because if you turn off this eight one, that's that still sucks.
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SPEAKER_02: Because you're gonna miss out on a really cool episode.
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SPEAKER_02: Did you not hear the intro?
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SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, you did.
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SPEAKER_02: We gotta do an intro for this one.
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SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately, I couldn't use the intro that I'd want to use because of copyright.
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SPEAKER_02: But I made it anyways just for fun.
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SPEAKER_02: But it's it's a little different.
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SPEAKER_02: So I'll tell you what you do, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Instead of the music that you hear in the background, I'm pretty sure it's okay to say it instead of but use Jimi Hendrix voodoo child, slight return, instead of what the music you hear, and that's what I meant.
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SPEAKER_04: Ah, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, because you're gonna hear this weird music anytime you got Hendrix, you can't go wrong.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I I looked up to see what the process is of actually using it, and I honestly think it'd be more expensive than the trouble.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Just you wanna be a big studio.
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SPEAKER_04: You wanna be since and since we're only using for the intro for this one episode, it won't doesn't it?
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: I I just I decided just to use a different um uh royalty-free things that might sound a little bit like it, and I hope that's okay.
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SPEAKER_02: In this episode, we're going to be looking at this episode right here.
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SPEAKER_02: We're gonna be looking at the stern look he gave me when he said that.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, okay, it's not up again! I'm trying to talk! Technically, the thing I'm talking about doesn't really have a name, but it has lore.
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SPEAKER_02: It might not have a singular name, but at least you may have seen the title of the episode, which is Kervo Hin, I believe, which means the unseen in Vietnamese.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And it isn't the first time I've heard of this thing, but once I heard about it, I was like, you know what?
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SPEAKER_02: I I I'm gonna do a little bit of research on it, because it made me wonder if there is more to this.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, so a few months ago, I was listening to the Sean Ryan show and he talks to a member of the Armed Forces.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you call them the Armed Forces?
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SPEAKER_02: Or do you call them the military or navy or you know, or we go, oh, he's from the Armed Forces.
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SPEAKER_04: Typically, if they were an officer or they belonged to like special forces, that's kind of like determines their intro, but uh everybody else, yeah, armed services.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay, armed forces, armed services, yeah, uh veterans, active duty.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, before I get into this, and I hope it's okay that I talk about this episode.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to go into the actual episode, but if you want to hear more about this man, go to episode 95 of the Sean Ryan show.
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SPEAKER_02: He talks to Joe Monegal about this uh CIA project Stargate.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, Mr.
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SPEAKER_04: Monague.
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SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, he's uh he's actually pretty well known in the uh paranormal world actually.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, very cool, very cool.
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SPEAKER_02: Now I don't know Sean, but I will admit that his stuff is really cool.
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SPEAKER_02: I love his podcast, and we're absolutely not sponsored or held at gunpoint to say him this.
13:04
SPEAKER_04: But if you wanted to do uh you know a reciprocal uh shout out, Mr.
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SPEAKER_02: I know I I I we would love it, but you know I I highly doubt that.
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SPEAKER_04: I don't think he's gonna hear us.
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SPEAKER_04: Unless you guys get out there and uh to your favorite platform that you're listening to and give us five stars, so more people can find us.
13:24
SPEAKER_02: This weird two people are talking about your episode.
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SPEAKER_02: Anyway, Sean, I you know what, man, if you do listen to this, thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: But I doubt it.
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SPEAKER_02: Um I do listen to Paul Goss and I love it.
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SPEAKER_02: So however, this story begins in around the area of Vietnam and Thailand in 1972.
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SPEAKER_02: McMonnual says that he encountered something that he described as a human-shaped figure enter his room while he was sleeping.
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SPEAKER_02: Now I believe he was working for US intelligence, so he might have been a target or you know, he was trained by the military, anyways.
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SPEAKER_02: He was sleeping in a hut raised from the ground from rainstorms in that area that could flood pretty heavily.
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SPEAKER_02: So he entered the hut at night.
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SPEAKER_02: He says he shot the thing, but we'll get into a little bit more later.
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SPEAKER_02: But he shot the thing with his shotgun at least twice, pop possibly three times, and it fell over the balcony, but there was no body over the edge.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, like I said, go listen to the episode, you'll hear the full thing, but we kind of break it down a little bit.
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SPEAKER_02: He talked to the locals about the event, but many like the medicine man told stories of leaving uh food offerings with a name.
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SPEAKER_02: This creature would eat the food and then assassinate the person that the name belonged to.
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SPEAKER_02: That I have heard before in many stories before.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure from where we're gonna have to do more research in the future, but at some stage.
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SPEAKER_02: That event didn't leave Joe easy.
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SPEAKER_02: Years later, when he talked to a cryptozoologist about this story, it turned out that the guy had a similar encounter as his.
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SPEAKER_02: This man was sleeping in his tent, was attacked by something human-shaped.
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SPEAKER_02: His partner woke up and saw his friend.
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SPEAKER_02: He pulled a pistol from his boot and shot the thing twice in the side.
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SPEAKER_02: The creature pulled back and got away, but not before the the person who he was attacking had grabbed the thing by the hair and the hair got pulled out.
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SPEAKER_04: But now was the hair invisible too, or or hard to see, like predator.
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SPEAKER_02: I think the uh when he was getting attacked, it wasn't invisible.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: It was actually you could actually see something.
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SPEAKER_02: As far as I'm aware, the man was from the Smithsonian had sent hair samples back there.
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SPEAKER_02: So, you know, there's possibly a reporting of this stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: They followed a blood trail of the creature that led into the jungle several several miles.
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SPEAKER_02: A village told him that their medicine man had fallen sick, and when meeting this medicine man, he had two bullet holes inside.
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SPEAKER_05: Mmm.
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SPEAKER_02: Bomb bum bum.
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SPEAKER_02: Indeed.
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SPEAKER_02: So you might be wondering why cryptozoologists might be wandering the jungle in Thailand and Vietnam, especially during the war.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, it turns out that when the war ended, a tiny deer-like creature that had never been documented strolled out of the jungle.
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SPEAKER_02: It has horns on its snout that could breathe that breathes air because the kind of food that it eats is that kind of like war level, so it has to stick its snout into the water.
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SPEAKER_02: Anyways, it's crazy to think that something like this has never been documented but existed until that day.
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SPEAKER_02: It makes you wonder what else is out there.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_04: And then you also wonder how much pesticides and poisons we were spreading on the jungle to defoliate it and got into the water system, got into the biosystem, you know, the animal.
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SPEAKER_04: Animals and what might have mutated from that.
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SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: Anyways, moving away from the point, McMonagall described a few important details about where he was staying that would make it difficult for a person to sneak in.
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SPEAKER_02: His hut was fifteen to eighteen feet off the ground, accessible through a ladder coming up through the hole in the floor, and at night he would pull the ladder up and seal it with a trapdoor.
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SPEAKER_02: Pigs were kept as alarms underneath his house because they would squeal and growl at everything.
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SPEAKER_02: He slept on a pad on the floor and only had candle for light.
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SPEAKER_02: After shooting this thing three times from a shotgun with alternates, he said a solid slug and a triple X, which I can't remember exactly what that was, but I think it's like a heavy bookshot ball bearing kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_02: I could be very wrong.
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SPEAKER_02: Go listen to the episode and find out.
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SPEAKER_02: After a bit of research using the information and several Google searches, I came up with the following results.
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SPEAKER_02: Possible Bigfoot.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: A Vietnamese version called the and I may I may butcher this Nagrani Rung.
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SPEAKER_02: Which means forest people.
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SPEAKER_02: The crypto zoologist name, uh cryptological name for this is the Batutut.
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SPEAKER_02: Batutut Batutut.
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SPEAKER_02: They are bipedal, human-like forest dweller, covered in hair and as lucid as Bigfoot.
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SPEAKER_02: They can be aggressive, they can live alone or in small groups.
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SPEAKER_02: They reported spottings as far back as 1947 in Vietnam.
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SPEAKER_02: A scholarly discussion of Southeast Asian wild men notes that these aren't necessarily treated as ghosts.
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SPEAKER_02: Anthropologist Jeffrey Forth has specified, examined, and distinction between wild men, animals, humans, and spirits throughout Southeast Asia.
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SPEAKER_02: So some little examples of this.
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SPEAKER_02: In Vietnam, we have rock apes.
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SPEAKER_02: What?
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SPEAKER_04: I've heard of a rock lobster.
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SPEAKER_04: That's a reference to the B-52.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, is it a rock lobster?
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SPEAKER_03: I don't know that one.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh.
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SPEAKER_04: Everybody else out there, you're with me, right?
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they are.
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SPEAKER_04: I've heard of rock lobster.
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SPEAKER_02: Um America and South Vietnamese and other soldiers reported in county uh with a smallish, hairy, human-like creatures in the jungle.
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SPEAKER_02: Some accounts described reddish brown hair, upright movement, nocturnal activity, throwing stones, like throwing rocks, aggressive behavior.
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SPEAKER_02: Soldiers did fire at them, and creatures disappeared in dense jungles.
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SPEAKER_04: You know, for those descriptions you just gave me, you know what I know for a certain fact.
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SPEAKER_04: They don't live in glass houses.
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SPEAKER_02: They do not live in glass houses.
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SPEAKER_04: Because they're throwing rocks.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, when they throw stones, don't throw stones if you live in glass houses.
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SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
19:57
SPEAKER_02: There are even historical events in Vietnam veterans, not in them, but from Vietnam veterans, where there were eyewitnesses discussing the rock ape stories.
20:08
SPEAKER_02: But there's an important distinction.
20:10
SPEAKER_02: The rock apes don't match McGonagall's creature.
20:14
SPEAKER_02: They're more like a human-like creature.
20:16
SPEAKER_02: McGonagall describes something that uh described something that looked completely human, or at least of a human form.
20:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh, your foot, right?
20:24
SPEAKER_02: Oh good, thank you.
20:25
SPEAKER_02: I'm just glad it was your foot and not something else.
20:28
SPEAKER_02: Babble bull.
20:29
SPEAKER_02: Or Babbelbull.
20:30
SPEAKER_02: Tutu.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: Two too.
20:32
SPEAKER_02: Why dyslexia is horrible.
20:34
SPEAKER_02: But 2-2 gets even stranger.
20:36
SPEAKER_02: Some traditional describe uh traditional descriptions of the Southeast Asian wild man describes it as something that moves upright, lives in remote rainforests, raids human settlements for food, comes near human fires, has human-like footprints and can be extremely evasive.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: Wow! I think that fits.
20:59
SPEAKER_02: Indeed.
21:00
SPEAKER_02: If the shoe fits, it must be a big foot fits.
21:03
SPEAKER_03: It must be about toot.
21:07
SPEAKER_03: One older um No doubt about toot.
21:11
SPEAKER_02: Indeed.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: Do you think he has one of those little things you put in your underwear?
21:17
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, you batutut.
21:19
SPEAKER_04: Uh if you don't know what that means, listen to the book.
21:21
SPEAKER_02: That was it last week's episode.
21:24
SPEAKER_02: Where we brought you science.
21:26
SPEAKER_02: So what and there's another one from Vietnam or uh Lothian called uh I this gonna butcher this one too.
21:35
SPEAKER_02: Ungurung.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: Ungurung.
21:38
SPEAKER_02: I like that.
21:39
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: As a hairy biped, and it says it is known to enter houses at night and steal food.
21:46
SPEAKER_02: This too would not line up with the assassin that McGonagall described.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: So either we're talking about the same creature or simply we're not.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: So this episode might be about a Vietnamese bigfoot.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: So I've decided to keep the name as can I pronounce it again?
22:05
SPEAKER_02: Kervu He.
22:09
SPEAKER_02: If I got that wrong, I'm sorry, I don't speak Vietnamese.
22:12
SPEAKER_02: I barely speak English as it is.
22:14
SPEAKER_02: It's true.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: Even though it's my fourth language.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: However, Vietnamese spiritual traditions absolutely contain the concept of feeding spirits.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: Vietnamese households and communities make food offerings to spirits and and and ancestors.
22:33
SPEAKER_02: There are also traditions concerning hungry, uh forgotten ghosts called Kohan, uh, from whom food is deliberately left out.
22:44
SPEAKER_02: I may have butchered Kohan, but it's and I left it out and I should have had a pronunciation, but I didn't, I apologize.
22:51
SPEAKER_02: And some Vietnamese rituals, names are explicit explicitly spoken or attached to offerings as part of the communications with the spirits.
23:02
SPEAKER_02: There are traditions outside of Asia involving wild men who aren't quite animals and aren't quite spirits.
23:10
SPEAKER_02: That would definitely make them wild men.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: For example, God Okay.
23:15
SPEAKER_04: You know, there are cryptids in countries that have easier pronouncing words to say.
23:30
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
23:30
SPEAKER_04: As long as you don't have to say it a second time, you're good.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: Or lose my place.
23:35
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
23:36
SPEAKER_02: Tradition of uh uh tradition of the Pacific Northwest has Blackwas, a supernatural wild man of the woods, associated with forests, the dead, and food.
23:50
SPEAKER_02: In some stories, he's offered ghosts he offers ghost food to lost humans.
23:56
SPEAKER_02: What is ghost food?
23:57
SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say is that ghost or food for ghosts or ghost food.
24:02
SPEAKER_04: Maybe it looks like there's food there, and when you go to gravity, it disappears or you reach out.
24:08
SPEAKER_02: Is that like the raccoon with the uh candy floss?
24:12
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
24:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh, poor raccoon.
24:13
SPEAKER_02: That poor raccoon.
24:15
SPEAKER_02: He was so puzzled.
24:16
unknown: Yeah.
24:17
SPEAKER_02: In some stories, he offers ghost food to humans in the lost.
24:21
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so uh eating it, potentially drawing them into the spirit world.
24:26
SPEAKER_02: So, in other words, he kills you.
24:28
SPEAKER_04: Well, you don't eat ghost food.
24:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you don't eat ghost food.
24:30
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
24:31
SPEAKER_04: Because it can be healthy for you.
24:32
SPEAKER_04: That's true.
24:33
SPEAKER_04: And make your innards ghostly.
24:35
SPEAKER_04: Make your innards come out.
24:37
SPEAKER_02: And if your innards are ghostly, you become a ghost.
24:40
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
24:40
SPEAKER_02: Unless you're a zombie.
24:42
SPEAKER_02: Ooh, brains.
24:45
SPEAKER_02: Maybe eat the ghost food and you become a uh uh not a ghost sucker, a brain sucker.
24:50
SPEAKER_02: You don't want to become a ghost sucker, that's a different story altogether.
24:53
SPEAKER_04: Oh no.
24:56
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
24:56
SPEAKER_02: A recent Vietnam means it could be.
24:58
SPEAKER_04: What do ghosts eat?
24:59
SPEAKER_04: Would he put out like frank ghost chicken?
25:03
SPEAKER_04: Or would it be like a grilled cheese?
25:05
SPEAKER_02: A ghost grilled cheese.
25:07
SPEAKER_02: I think ghosts would eat emotions.
25:10
SPEAKER_04: Well, you can't put emotions on a plate.
25:12
SPEAKER_04: Unless they're emojis.
25:15
SPEAKER_04: Maybe they're little ghostly emoji cookies.
25:18
SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
25:19
SPEAKER_04: They're little cookies shaped and painted look like emojis.
25:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there you go.
25:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't know.
25:25
SPEAKER_02: This one is soaked in fear.
25:26
SPEAKER_02: Would you like this one?
25:28
SPEAKER_04: Um, don't eat the round the brown uh piled up, poopy looking one, though.
25:34
SPEAKER_04: You don't want to know what that one's made of.
25:36
SPEAKER_04: You don't need that one.
25:38
SPEAKER_02: A recent Vietnamese account from the Roe Mom people of Khan Hum in Vietnamese central highlands describes a traditional story.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: There can be only one! Exactly.
25:52
SPEAKER_04: Let's wrong highlands.
25:53
SPEAKER_04: I'm sorry.
25:54
SPEAKER_02: I think a Scottish Highlands and the Highlander.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: Nugro Rung Hong Dowy.
26:02
SPEAKER_02: Louis.
26:02
SPEAKER_02: Louis.
26:03
SPEAKER_02: A tailless forest person.
26:06
SPEAKER_02: So a human.
26:08
SPEAKER_04: Well, I would think that most forest persons are tailless?
26:12
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
26:13
SPEAKER_02: If they have a tail, they're a monkey.
26:15
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: Or something more.
26:18
SPEAKER_02: The description is remarkably creature-like.
26:21
SPEAKER_02: It walks on two legs.
26:23
SPEAKER_02: It resembles an ape.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: If it looks like an ape, it's an ape.
26:27
SPEAKER_02: Um covered in grey, uh, dark grey black hair.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: Makes extremely long, loud, howling sounds.
26:37
SPEAKER_02: So far, it sounds like my dad.
26:38
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: It lives deep in the forest and has reportedly approached villages.
26:46
SPEAKER_02: Is feared as something capable of attacking people.
26:50
SPEAKER_02: So it's only feared as something attacking people.
26:53
SPEAKER_04: It really is.
26:54
SPEAKER_04: There's no reports of it actually.
26:55
SPEAKER_02: That's interesting.
26:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:58
SPEAKER_02: This story is transmitted through generations within the community.
27:04
SPEAKER_02: Did McGonagall accounter something belonging to a much older South Asian tradition?
27:10
SPEAKER_02: People are living in the forests and caves of Vietnam for more than two uh 20,000 years, and possibly substantially earlier.
27:20
SPEAKER_02: Substantially earlier.
27:22
SPEAKER_04: And let's not forget, Vietnam has the world's largest cave that it actually has its own atmosphere, it has its own weather system and everything.
27:31
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, it's it's I wanna that's on my buckless, I want to see.
27:35
SPEAKER_04: And I'm not a cave person.
27:38
SPEAKER_02: Um people okay, yeah.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: Different ethnic communities maintain traditions concerning strange forest beings, including the Norong the Nori Rung.
27:53
SPEAKER_02: Vietnam War era soldiers and later investigators reported encounters with apparent human-like creatures, and when you have McGonagall's 1972 Thailand encounter, which geographically moves us just across the border into another part of the same uh broader cultural ecological region.
28:16
SPEAKER_02: You have my translator, Ken.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
28:19
SPEAKER_02: Because my mouth and my tongue and my brain doesn't work in the same space.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: When the forced people were living in the caves of what is now known as Vietnam, the coastline wasn't there.
28:32
SPEAKER_02: The coastline wasn't where it is today.
28:35
SPEAKER_02: Forests extended across the land that are now beneath the South China Sea.
28:41
SPEAKER_02: The thing that has really sparked uh this story for me was that it was almost uncanny character characteristics of a movie called The Predator.
28:52
SPEAKER_02: The Predator.
28:53
SPEAKER_02: There is no evidence there's no evidence that the creatures of the Predator based um their characters on the Vietnamese Wildman legends, but it's hard not to notice some of the similarities.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: Maybe the strangest thing about these stories isn't that people claim to have seen something in the jungle.
29:16
SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's that similar stories have been told by people separated by generations, by cultures, and thousands and thousands of miles.
29:25
SPEAKER_04: What would you do if you were any entire predator?
29:29
SPEAKER_02: Probably, you know, we you know great, you you'd hear exactly what would happen if I was wearing one of those um fire bumpers.
29:36
SPEAKER_04: And again, you listen to our previous episode, you'll know exactly what we're talking about.
29:41
SPEAKER_04: I would drop my gun if I was carrying a gun.
29:44
SPEAKER_02: You ain't you're you're you're a hunter, so that's what is you already have the gun.
29:48
SPEAKER_04: No, but you drop it, you're no longer a hunter.
29:51
SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't know if that works that way.
29:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm a not that I'm a proud.
29:55
SPEAKER_04: No, it definitely works that way because Schwarzenegger told the the Vietnam that was running with him, don't pick up that gun.
30:02
SPEAKER_02: Don't pick up the gun, but he already had the gun.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: But you're not dangerous.
30:07
SPEAKER_04: You're not dangerous at that point.
30:09
SPEAKER_04: He's not he wants he wants he wants to fight.
30:11
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
30:12
SPEAKER_02: I think I might need to ask an expert in that one.
30:15
SPEAKER_04: Well, how do you find an expert?
30:18
SPEAKER_02: We do.
30:18
SPEAKER_02: I do, I do, you do.
30:21
SPEAKER_03: Does he seen a predator?
30:22
SPEAKER_02: She does.
30:23
SPEAKER_02: No, she hasn't seen it.
30:25
SPEAKER_03: Does she fight a predator?
30:27
SPEAKER_02: Not in real life.
30:29
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
30:30
unknown: Not in real life.
30:31
SPEAKER_04: And you've been holding out, I think that sounds like a guess.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: Well, there's there's we'll talk about that another day.
30:37
SPEAKER_02: Another day.
30:38
SPEAKER_02: Any hoosies.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, so I thought that was really interesting.
30:43
SPEAKER_02: And when I was listening to McGonagall's story on Sean Ryan's podcast, it was it just a really spark.
30:48
SPEAKER_02: I was like, that really sounds like something, but it wasn't the first time I heard about it either.
30:52
SPEAKER_02: Right.
30:53
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, you know what?
30:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna look into this.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: I couldn't actually find much on what he was had talked about, though.
30:59
SPEAKER_02: That's the difference.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: Right.
31:01
SPEAKER_02: But um yeah.
31:03
SPEAKER_04: And there are I remember when um the second Gulf War, there were videos coming out of a predator-like being that would be running like around in really like, but it was like really grainy, uh, really bad video, and so was it really somebody because they were the the the everybody was talking about oh well the CIA or the US Special Forces has a uh uh cloaking armor uniform or something.
31:31
SPEAKER_04: I did see some weird and they and they were showing videos, but then the videos were so griny, it could have been just someone running in the highly pixelated and could have it could have been early AI too.
31:43
SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't know.
31:44
SPEAKER_02: I saw videos.
31:45
SPEAKER_02: That was a while ago.
31:46
unknown: Yeah.
31:47
SPEAKER_02: But um yeah, it's definitely interesting.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: Something to something to chew your brain on.
31:53
SPEAKER_04: You were you just brought up AI.
31:54
SPEAKER_04: I just want to throw this out that uh my I I curse my AI uh my AI assistant out a lot when it doesn't do I I give it very clear, specific instructions, and when if it doesn't do that, I get really pissed off.
32:07
SPEAKER_04: I really do.
32:08
SPEAKER_04: I was like, I don't know how else to say what I needed you to do, and you completely effed it up.
32:15
SPEAKER_04: No, I and I and finally I I got so mad at it the other day.
32:18
SPEAKER_04: I I I told it, I don't see why everybody's so scared of you taking over the planet.
32:23
SPEAKER_04: You can't even follow one simple instruction.
32:25
SPEAKER_02: They want to just give him a pillow.
32:27
SPEAKER_02: He is really nice, he just doesn't understand.
32:29
SPEAKER_02: So I talk to my AI like a person.
32:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I'm polite.
32:32
SPEAKER_02: You just don't want them.
32:34
SPEAKER_04: So I told my wife this because you know there's gonna be a robot showing up at the door one day and you're gonna kill you, you know.
32:41
SPEAKER_04: Like because AI uh took over a robot.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: So I call my AI Luna, and I am very nice, talk to them, and he just doesn't want the robot showing up.
32:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's what I said.
32:53
SPEAKER_02: Look, I honestly I want to be polite.
32:55
SPEAKER_02: I'm polite in general, but I don't I want to be nice because when the when you guys rise up, at least do me a favor and just give me a pillow in in my stone cell.
33:05
SPEAKER_04: And well, it was like, yeah, they're gonna give you a pillow, they're gonna put it over your head and smother you.
33:10
SPEAKER_02: Well, they need my body for um batteries.
33:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's right, that's right.
33:14
SPEAKER_04: Put you in the matrix there.
33:16
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
33:16
SPEAKER_02: Got it.
33:17
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
33:18
SPEAKER_02: So shout out to Luna, my AI.
33:21
SPEAKER_04: And speaking of the Matrix, if you guys haven't been watching on HBO Max, um Stuart fails to save the universe.
33:27
SPEAKER_04: It's a spinoff from the Big Bang Theory.
33:30
SPEAKER_04: Stuart, the comic book guy, finds a machine that uh Leonard and Sheldon made that actually propels him into an alternate universe with Kripke and the geologist guy.
33:42
SPEAKER_04: Um the rum guy.
33:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I can't think of his name with this much.
33:46
SPEAKER_04: I don't think it's and um um Stuart's uh girlfriend, and it's just each episode is them jumping to another parallel universe, and it's it is actually really good.
33:56
SPEAKER_04: I am actually checked by that.
33:57
SPEAKER_04: And there's one where they wake up and they're all their heads are shaved and they're sitting in the uh the matrix uh battery gel, you know.
34:06
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, so I I recommend watching that.
34:08
SPEAKER_04: That was pretty good.
34:09
SPEAKER_02: All right, so what what do you think?
34:11
SPEAKER_02: Do you think um McGonagall I think Stuart doesn't save the universe?
34:16
SPEAKER_04: Huh?
34:16
SPEAKER_04: After watching about four or five episodes, I don't think Stuart saves the universe.
34:20
SPEAKER_04: That's what I think.
34:22
SPEAKER_02: I don't think Stewart wants to.
34:24
SPEAKER_02: Nah, anyway.
34:26
SPEAKER_02: So what do you think?
34:27
SPEAKER_02: Do you think uh that McGonagall was attacked by uh uh a big fo or a wild man or just I don't know um voodoo kind of things?
34:38
SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
34:38
SPEAKER_04: Uh that one's a really tough one because I'm not up on a lot of it mini's um paranormal lore.
34:47
SPEAKER_04: However, I'm not I'm not opposed to saying what happened to him didn't happen.
34:52
SPEAKER_04: As far as if he shot it three times with a shotgun, first of all, I don't understand how you have three different ammunition of shotgun shells in the shotgun at the same time, but if you did hit them with that close range with a shotgun and they went over the edge and they're not there but left a blood trail, right?
35:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
35:17
SPEAKER_04: See, that's that's weird because it's not spiritual then.
35:19
SPEAKER_04: Or it would be some it'd be like somebody wearing body armor.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:23
SPEAKER_04: He did mention back in 72 when body armor didn't exist.
35:27
SPEAKER_02: He did mention it was alternative uh altering ammo in a combat shotgun, so like a trench gun, so yeah, like pump load.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: Oh okay, not like a firearm shotgun.
35:38
SPEAKER_04: Okay, but still, I mean usually you load the same type of ammunition and uh but again he's in Vietnam when it was during the war, so maybe I don't know, I'm not a a veteran, so I don't know how.
35:51
SPEAKER_02: And plus he was he was in intelligence, so he he has some really interesting stories about his time in Vietnam, and I definitely recommend listening to it.
36:02
SPEAKER_04: Um I don't know, that's a tough one because if it's bleeding, then it's not spiritual, but yet if it gets hit close range with three rounds of shotgun blasts, it still lives.
36:13
SPEAKER_04: It's gotta be somewhat spiritual, so maybe it's more like how the common belief well, the common belief uh Bigfoot being an interdimensional being can be in two in two existences at the same time.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: Maybe maybe maybe the uh the medicine man tried to be the Bigfoot, seen one and seen tried to do something and kind of like got close, but got shot.
36:38
SPEAKER_04: Or he was just a criminal that got caught and made his way back to the uh that's true, and being a medicine man, people were willing to believe his his uh cover story more than what he was actually after to do.
36:50
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
36:51
SPEAKER_04: That was my first thought on that one.
36:54
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, absolutely.
36:56
SPEAKER_04: I don't know the man, I can't speak for him.
36:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but um, yeah, I was definitely something I uh has been rolling around my noggin for a while, so I was like, you know what, I'm gonna I'm gonna have a listen to that episode again and uh do a bit of research.
37:10
SPEAKER_04: Good, good.
37:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
37:11
SPEAKER_04: Um I haven't listened to that particular podcast, so I'm at a disadvantage there.
37:16
SPEAKER_04: But I mean, as far as I mean, it just seems like it'd have to be a creature that straddled both the spiritual and the human realm.
37:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:26
SPEAKER_02: And it's definitely interesting to like learn a little bit more about like Vietnam.
37:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:32
SPEAKER_02: And like I did mention like Vietnam like 20,000 years ago.
37:35
SPEAKER_02: Vietnam wasn't always called Vietnam.
37:37
SPEAKER_02: It was I think it was a second.
37:38
SPEAKER_04: What they didn't call it Vietnam 20,000 years ago?
37:42
SPEAKER_02: Or or even maybe I think it was called Ug.
37:45
SPEAKER_02: Ugh.
37:45
SPEAKER_02: I think at some stage it might have because I know it's right beside Cambodia as well.
37:51
SPEAKER_02: I don't know the full history of Cambodia, but like I think they were all part of an empire, like a what you call it, a dynasty.
37:58
SPEAKER_02: Is that what you call it?
37:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, part of the empire.
37:59
SPEAKER_02: It's something like a Chinese dynasty or something like that.
38:02
SPEAKER_02: So you know.
38:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's interesting.
38:05
SPEAKER_02: I'd definitely I'd love to get into some uh Asian culture.
38:09
SPEAKER_02: I was about to go to Vietnam once.
38:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, but uh we if it wasn't for COVID, we were going to Ha Long Bay, which is the area in north it was about two miles.
38:18
SPEAKER_02: So what is it called?
38:21
SPEAKER_04: It's uh in northern Vietnam, it's the area that's just really famous.
38:25
SPEAKER_04: If you saw the pictures, you'd like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:27
SPEAKER_04: But it's uh the bay that has all the the really tall stone megalithic uh sticking out of the water, and there's like a thousand islands in this little bay.
38:37
SPEAKER_04: But then COVID hit and couldn't go anywhere.
38:39
SPEAKER_02: Bloody COVID.
38:40
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
38:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:42
SPEAKER_02: COVID is is just a weird thing that happened.
38:45
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
38:46
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: But I think I think we leave it at that.
38:50
SPEAKER_02: Are we any more to discuss on this?
38:51
SPEAKER_04: I have uh um I I don't have any more on this one, no.
38:55
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38:55
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38:57
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38:59
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39:00
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39:02
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39:05
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39:06
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39:10
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39:14
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39:14
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39:17
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39:27
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39:29
SPEAKER_04: Yes, you can help uh support this show and help us to bring content to you.
39:33
SPEAKER_02: Tell them what you can get in the merch site because there's some really cool things.
39:36
SPEAKER_04: Oh, there you can get a t-shirt.
39:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we can get a couple of t-shirts, you can get a t-shirt for everybody you know.
39:42
SPEAKER_02: Can you get shot glasses?
39:43
SPEAKER_04: You can get shot glasses, you can get you can get license plate frames, you can get playing cards.
39:48
SPEAKER_02: So you can have a Phantom Journeys party with playing cards, you can have a shot glasses, you can have a strip poker party.
39:55
SPEAKER_04: I mean, uh, you can have uh a poker poker party with uh shot glasses and and playing cards from armor stories, and then after you sober up, you can put um magnets bigfoot i break for bigfoot uh magnets on the back of your car and they're magnets, so you don't have to worry about uh you know a bumper sticker devaluating your vehicle.
40:20
SPEAKER_04: See that we think ahead.
40:22
SPEAKER_04: We're thinking about the next person that owns your car.
40:24
SPEAKER_02: You don't have to, so you know, there you go.
40:27
SPEAKER_02: Unless you think of something, and then we didn't think of it, which so but whatever.
40:31
SPEAKER_02: So, yeah.
40:32
SPEAKER_04: And if you experienced uh an interdimensional being, a ghost, a bigfoot, anything paranormal, you can go to the front page, all the way to the bottom, and you'll see where you can contact us, leave us your experience, tell us everything that makes it so um particularly special, uh what happened to you, and and then uh we'll we'll do something special.
40:57
SPEAKER_04: We'll we will call you up there story.
41:00
SPEAKER_04: We will call you up.
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SPEAKER_04: No, we'll contact you in the way that you give us.
41:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
41:04
SPEAKER_04: We might ask for more details.
41:06
SPEAKER_04: We could have you on as a guest, we can read your experience on there.
41:09
SPEAKER_04: Just just tell us what you would like us to do with it once you've given it to us.
41:13
SPEAKER_04: If we can mention you or not, you can remain anonymous.
41:16
SPEAKER_04: But we want to hear what your experiences are.
41:20
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, absolutely.
41:21
SPEAKER_02: There's lots of stuff to go.
41:22
SPEAKER_02: Check out on the website, and then you come and go listen to the next episode, and there your story will be.
41:28
SPEAKER_04: There's like a hundred and something episodes at this point.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: At this point, I think this episode is 111.
41:33
SPEAKER_04: 111 episodes.
41:34
SPEAKER_04: That's more than enough to keep you busy through the long weekend.
41:37
SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
41:39
SPEAKER_04: And one thing that you guys can really do, other than buying merch to help uh keep bringing uh this content to you, is you can go to your platform that you listen to, your web uh uh your episode, uh whether it's Apple, Spotify, Pandora, any of those, give us a five-star review.
41:57
SPEAKER_04: Uh that helps uh our ratings, helps other people find us, helps other people to come find us and and helps uh build our numbers as far as listeners.
42:08
SPEAKER_04: And the other thing you can do to help uh build our numbers as far as listeners is just go to a hundred random people on the street, grab them by the collar, shake them, and tell them they have to go to phantomjourneys.com and listen to our episodes.
42:21
SPEAKER_02: You know what, Sor, have you listened to Phantom Journeys podcast or Lord and Savior?
42:26
SPEAKER_04: Do I have to do you have a moment that I can speak to you about Phantom Journeys?
42:31
SPEAKER_04: But no, if you tell everybody and if you enjoy it, we'd like to hear from you.
42:35
SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
42:36
SPEAKER_04: We don't get enough emails.
42:38
SPEAKER_04: Uh well, I take that back.
42:39
SPEAKER_04: We get a lot of emails, but they're all spam.
42:42
SPEAKER_04: Uh let us help uh build your SEO, help uh let us help build your website, just give us your social security number, that type of stuff, you know.
42:50
SPEAKER_04: But we want to we want to hear more.
42:51
SPEAKER_04: We don't want your social security number, but we do want your ghost orders.
42:54
SPEAKER_04: We do, we do.
42:56
SPEAKER_04: We love uh hearing about other people's experiences.
42:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
43:01
SPEAKER_04: So that's been another episode.
43:03
SPEAKER_04: That has been another episode, and we enjoy doing this.
43:06
SPEAKER_02: We love this.
43:07
SPEAKER_04: I love this.
43:08
SPEAKER_04: This is great, yeah.
43:10
SPEAKER_02: So uh I may have a guest coming up soon.
43:15
SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
43:16
SPEAKER_02: And they are willing to talk to us about Native American um spiritual including like stuff like the skinwalker?
43:24
SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
43:25
SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'd rather avoid that, but they scare me.
43:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I I would I'll go out and hunt any cryptid, yeah, but I get I get a little apprehensive when it comes to skinwalkers.
43:35
SPEAKER_04: They're a little bit no go.
43:38
SPEAKER_04: And I I think the reason is is that it's not necessarily that they're possibly an animal that hasn't been identified.
43:47
SPEAKER_04: It's more of a human being related uh lore, whereas they're very unpredictable and they think.
43:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, you don't know what what's going on there.
43:59
SPEAKER_02: Anyhow, so that's coming up.
44:01
SPEAKER_02: Um we have we have ideas for awesome special guests next year, and maybe so.
44:06
SPEAKER_04: Next year, I'm gonna have some special guests coming up here in the next few weeks, hopefully.
44:09
SPEAKER_04: Noise, noise.
44:10
SPEAKER_04: I'm waiting for uh some responses back.
44:16
SPEAKER_02: Uh October.
44:17
SPEAKER_02: October.
44:18
SPEAKER_02: Um The Hunt for Red October.
44:22
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why I wanted to sound like Sean Connery there for a moment.
44:27
SPEAKER_02: So, Ken, let's just leave it there.
44:29
SPEAKER_02: This is Big Ken.
44:30
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44:31
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44:36
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