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10-09-26 Hour 1 - Avs HAMMER the Flames, Payton takes back playcalling/Teflon Sean/0-4 Bucs beat the Cowboys · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher Lombardi and Kane On Demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 2: On the Altitude Sports Radio app. Two seconds, one. And
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  Speaker 2: that is it from Calgary.
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  Speaker 3: The avalanche doused the flames in a big way, and
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  Speaker 3: they're back on track. Final score from the Scotiabank Saddledome.
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  Speaker 3: It's the avalanche seven and the flames three. Taves with two,
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  Speaker 3: McCarr with two, Schwartz with two.
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  Speaker 4: Some things to discuss this morning. Sean Payton takes over
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  Speaker 4: for what should have been coordinator day at the press
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  Speaker 4: conference yesterday. but he had to step in front. There's
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  Speaker 4: no way when you make this decision, you're going to
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  Speaker 4: make Davis Webb answer all these questions. So I guess
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  Speaker 4: good for him.
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  Speaker 5: Good on him.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get there in just a second. I do want
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  Speaker 4: to spend a couple of minutes here talking about the
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  Speaker 4: abs who most of the first period last night looked
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  Speaker 4: like they were on the second leg of a back-to-back.
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  Speaker 4: And then the second and third periods looked like they
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  Speaker 4: were playing the worst team in hockey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they did. But that's a, that's a pro
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  Speaker 2: way to do it, Brett.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, Look, you're playing 24 hours later, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you're a little slow out of the gates, everybody's legs
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  Speaker 6: were kind of heavy, and then you remember who you are,
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  Speaker 6: you find your groove, and then you just start pouring
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  Speaker 6: it on. That's exactly what a team like the Avalanche,
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  Speaker 6: at this point, in their development, so to speak, being
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  Speaker 6: a contender, that's what you should be doing. And they've historically,
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  Speaker 6: under Jared Bednar, at least the last four years, have
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  Speaker 6: been very good on the second leg of a back-to-back.
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  Speaker 6: They've led the National Hockey League, so... These guys know
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  Speaker 6: what they're doing. They know how to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And it showed up last night.
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  Speaker 5: I like that LaRue guy. He's fun to watch.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a fun guy. You know, you saw he
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  Speaker 6: had a chance for the Gordie Howe hat trick, and
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  Speaker 6: he had a breakaway. And I talked to him after
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  Speaker 6: the game.
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  Speaker 2: He said, oh.
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  Speaker 6: I said, well, I wanted it as bad as you did.
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  Speaker 6: He's like, I wanted that so bad. He said, I'm
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  Speaker 6: so mad at myself.
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  Speaker 2: He said.
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  Speaker 6: He said, you know, that shot will work, that five-hole
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  Speaker 6: shot will work in any league on the planet except
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  Speaker 6: for this one. He's a good kid, and he's a
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  Speaker 6: hard worker, so it was cool, man.
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  Speaker 2: It's really cool.
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  Speaker 5: There's one thing I don't like about LaRue, one.
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  Speaker 2: What's that?
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  Speaker 5: I don't like how his name is spelled.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 4: There's an L and an apostrophe in there and an
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  Speaker 4: H right afterwards.
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  Speaker 5: That's called a foreign language.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you blame the French.
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  Speaker 5: I like America.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's not his fault. You blame the French, man.
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  Speaker 2: Blame the French.
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  Speaker 5: It means happy.
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  Speaker 7: LaRue?
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  Speaker 5: You should know that, yeah. It means happy.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I was happy to watch him last night because
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  Speaker 4: he looked good. I guess criticism from last night, if
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  Speaker 4: you can have one, where you score seven goals.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't like that power play, Moshe. That looked pretty.
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  Speaker 6: Bad.
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  Speaker 5: I was going to try and find another word. It
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  Speaker 5: was bad last night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. I mean, it.
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  Speaker 6: Really didn't get set up that well, and it couldn't
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  Speaker 6: really do a whole lot. I think what you need
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  Speaker 6: is you need multiple power plays, maybe if you want
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  Speaker 6: to kind of get in that rhythm, but that's no excuse.
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  Speaker 2: It should be better. It really should be.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's one of those games. It was wide open.
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  Speaker 5: The goals were coming from everywhere. It's hard to be,
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  Speaker 5: you know. It's hard to say this wasn't working or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: It looked like a mismatch, and I think Calgary's going
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  Speaker 5: to get a lot of those kind of games. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: think about if you're Calgary. You're playing on the team
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  Speaker 5: on the second night of a back-to-back, and you got
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  Speaker 5: no chance.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: How bad are they?
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  Speaker 4: Calgary has now been outscored. Is it 23-6 in the
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  Speaker 4: first four games? Is that what the number is?
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  Speaker 2: That is correct. Yeah. Well, they did double their season
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  Speaker 2: goal total last night. They did.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but they're going to be– those guys are going
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  Speaker 6: to be in a tough way. They have a lot
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  Speaker 6: of young kids. They're trying to rebuild, obviously, and it's
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  Speaker 6: going to be tough for them, boys.
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  Speaker 7: It is.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you think back to the Avs' 48-point season.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what it's going to be for Calgary,
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  Speaker 6: but I think they're the worst team in the league.
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  Speaker 6: They're the Miami Dolphins of hockey right now.
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  Speaker 2: They really are. It's tough.
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  Speaker 6: But, you know, their goalie signed a big eight-year contract.
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  Speaker 6: Dustin Wolfe, he didn't even play last night. His goals
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  Speaker 6: against average in the first two is over six.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's just going to be tough.
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  Speaker 6: He's a good goalie, but they break down defensively, and
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  Speaker 6: then they get burned.
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  Speaker 4: So the Avs get another win, 3-1 on the year,
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  Speaker 4: as they will play again tomorrow, 5 o'clock, against the
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  Speaker 4: Maple Leafs, rounding out this Canadian roadie that they got
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  Speaker 4: going on.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no. No, no, no. The word home.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: At home.
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  Speaker 4: But still playing the Canadian.
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  Speaker 5: Circuit, we'll say.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. How about that?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: All right, so yesterday, Sean Payton takes over at the
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  Speaker 4: podium because you cannot throw Davis.
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  Speaker 5: Webb to the Wolves.
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  Speaker 4: So he steps in, and the second that you saw,
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  Speaker 4: Sean Payton is going to go to the presser today.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, oh, okay, so he is fully taking over
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  Speaker 4: play calling duties.
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  Speaker 2: Got it.
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  Speaker 4: And Vic, I know you and Stoke, I think you
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  Speaker 4: guys were the two people that had the inkling that
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  Speaker 4: this was going to be a full takeover.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just.
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  Speaker 2: Confirmed what he already had. Right, but.
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  Speaker 4: There was obviously some mixed messaging because we heard from
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  Speaker 4: Legge and a whole bunch of people around Denver that
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  Speaker 4: they thought, yeah, he's going to take a more active.
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  Speaker 5: Role in offensive stuff. Oh, it's very active.
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  Speaker 4: It's as active as active can get.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: There's no halfway here.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what?
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  Speaker 5: In hindsight, this is the proper way to handle it.
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  Speaker 5: You can't just sort of ease into this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: You got to take the keys back. It's like, I'll
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  Speaker 5: drive with you and help you drive. No, you're going
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  Speaker 5: to drive.
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  Speaker 4: So there's two things here. There is how did we
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  Speaker 4: get to this point and what's going to happen moving forward?
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  Speaker 4: I want to do the how did we get here thing.
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  Speaker 4: And this is where I was naive. I was naive
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  Speaker 4: in the sense that I looked at him handing play
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  Speaker 4: calling duties to Davis Webb as this is Sean Payton's protege.
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  Speaker 4: That he's like, hey, I'm comfortable here. I want this
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  Speaker 4: guy to stick around. I'm going to hand him the
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  Speaker 4: play sheet because I trust him. And after yesterday... I
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  Speaker 4: have the entirely opposite feeling towards that. I feel like
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  Speaker 4: I thought to myself that Sean Payton does not. He
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  Speaker 4: would not take direction from anybody. And this ownership group
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  Speaker 4: has said we do not get involved in football decisions.
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  Speaker 4: We give you the tools and then our people make
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  Speaker 4: the decisions. This feels a lot, a lot to me
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  Speaker 4: like he was told to do this.
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  Speaker 5: I have a great theory on what happened here. And
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  Speaker 5: as soon as you know your theory, I'll unmail mine.
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  Speaker 6: I'm very confused about the whole damn thing, so I
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  Speaker 6: would love to hear your theory. And believe me when
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  Speaker 6: I tell you, it's not going to take a lot
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  Speaker 6: to convince me.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see if my theory lines up with Vic's. I
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  Speaker 4: think they said to Sean Payton, you're giving up play-calling
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  Speaker 4: duties if you want this extension. And Sean Payton said, fine.
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  Speaker 4: And then he just needed four bad games from Davis
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  Speaker 4: Webb to say, see, can I have them back now?
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  Speaker 5: And they said, okay. That's my theory.
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  Speaker 2: Because.
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  Speaker 4: I think the ownership group saw the interviews that Davis
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  Speaker 4: Webb was getting, saw a young coach, and they look
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  Speaker 4: at their 62-year-old head coach, and they go, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know how much longer he's going to be here. If
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  Speaker 4: I can make him the Josh McDaniels under Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 4: sticking around for five years, maybe he can wait in
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  Speaker 4: the wings and take over eventually. And they didn't want
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  Speaker 4: him to leave. But now he's certainly leaving.
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  Speaker 5: That's my theory. Zero chance this ownership group meddled with this. Zero.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what less than zero is. But whatever
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  Speaker 5: that number is, that's what it is. I know this
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  Speaker 5: group pretty well. No way that they would tell the
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  Speaker 5: head coach of a team that they handpicked to turn
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  Speaker 5: things around, hey.
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  Speaker 2: We need you to do this.
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  Speaker 5: They know what their role is. They know what their
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  Speaker 5: limitations are. They know what they don't know. And they're
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  Speaker 5: not going to tell a coach to do that. That's
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  Speaker 5: my belief.
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  Speaker 2: I believe– Stop right there. I'm sorry, Vic. But I
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  Speaker 2: want you to explain a little bit more.
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  Speaker 6: Who– in the ownership group or even in the GM duties,
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  Speaker 6: has the.
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  Speaker 2: Knowledge to tell Sean Payton to stop calling plays. That
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  Speaker 2: doesn't jive with me whatsoever. Yeah, nobody does.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this guy, he came in to run the
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  Speaker 5: whole organization, basically. And that's the keys they gave him.
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  Speaker 5: And he's got that big janitorial keychain motion. That's how
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  Speaker 5: I liken Sean Payton's job. He doesn't have one key.
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  Speaker 5: He's got all of them.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: He's got the master keys for everything in the building.
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  Speaker 5: And they gave him that key chain and said, here,
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  Speaker 5: run it. And they're going to live by it. And
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  Speaker 5: they're not the kind of owners who are going to
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  Speaker 5: meddle with control. Now, they may provide advice. They may
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  Speaker 5: provide feedback. If it doesn't work, they may provide walking papers.
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  Speaker 5: But they're not going to tell the coach what to do.
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  Speaker 4: What's funny is, I totally agree with you, but it's
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  Speaker 4: the only theory I can come up with at the moment.
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  Speaker 5: But I want you to continue, yes. Because if it's
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  Speaker 5: not that, then what? I believe it's this. I believe
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  Speaker 5: Sean Payton figured, you know what? That season did not
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  Speaker 5: end the way I had hoped. There was a couple
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  Speaker 5: play calls that went in that I just didn't. This
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  Speaker 5: kid is getting looks elsewhere. I want to keep him around.
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  Speaker 5: I like his enthusiasm. I like the way the room
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  Speaker 5: works when he's here. I want to keep me. I
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  Speaker 5: want to make him happy. I'm going to do something
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  Speaker 5: that goes against the grain. I'm going to do something
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  Speaker 5: that I'm not used to doing, giving up control. With
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  Speaker 5: the understanding that either way, he's going to win. He
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  Speaker 5: made a decision where either way, he feels like he
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  Speaker 5: cannot lose. A. the decision is made and Davis Webb
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  Speaker 5: shines and the offense rolls and the team gets better offensively. Then,
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  Speaker 5: hey man, that's a brilliant decision to give up play calling.
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  Speaker 5: That's a guy who understands his limitations and who understands
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  Speaker 5: where he is in life, and you can identify a
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  Speaker 5: great tutor when you see one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Great job. Or B, all right, I know he's going
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  Speaker 5: to be in over his head. I know how hard
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  Speaker 5: this is. I get it. And if things just don't
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  Speaker 5: work out and people start grumbling, I'll just get back
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  Speaker 5: into that chair and do my thing. And I think
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  Speaker 5: that is the exact notion that he took when he
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  Speaker 5: made that call. What do you really have to lose
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  Speaker 5: but the job itself? And I say that because it
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  Speaker 5: happened to him 24 years ago. The very same thing
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  Speaker 5: in 2002 happened to Sean Payton. He was given play-calling
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  Speaker 5: duties by Jim Fossil as the New York Giants OC,
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  Speaker 5: and he was quickly stripped away of those duties by
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  Speaker 5: Jim Fossil. And guess what? Sean Payton survived. He survived
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  Speaker 5: to have a great career. He knows you can survive this,
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  Speaker 5: so why not?
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  Speaker 6: Um.
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  Speaker 5: I would just say one thing to that theory, and
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  Speaker 5: it's a good theory. I think it checks out. Why
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't you give it this game?
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  Speaker 4: You gave the guy a trial run against four of
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  Speaker 4: the best defenses the NFL has to offer. By the way,
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  Speaker 4: the record last year through four games, what was it?
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  Speaker 5: Two and two.
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  Speaker 4: Against way worse opponents than this, you played Tennessee the
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  Speaker 4: first week of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: It's not as the numbers are worse than they are
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  Speaker 4: last year. Not by much, but I think you could
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  Speaker 4: chalk that up to playing against really good defenses. Why
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  Speaker 4: not give him a game against an 0-14 that you
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  Speaker 4: almost assuredly are going to beat? That's what I don't get.
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  Speaker 4: If you were really committed to giving him an opportunity.
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  Speaker 5: The timing, I can't tell you the timing. I can
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  Speaker 5: tell you what the thinking is. And let me read
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  Speaker 5: a text. And with all due respect to the texter here,
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  Speaker 5: you are so wrong. Texter writes in, 8-4-6-8. Vic, Greg
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  Speaker 5: Penner told Sean Payton, make the move or fire Sean.
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  Speaker 5: For Greg Penner, Davis Webb is Penner's guy and the
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  Speaker 5: next head coach of the Broncos. Everything about those two
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  Speaker 5: sentences is so wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It's just so wrong. You just fired Sean. You just
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  Speaker 5: gave him an extension. You're not firing. Sean rescued your franchise.
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  Speaker 5: Sean changed it around. You may not like Sean. The
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  Speaker 5: owner may think he's volatile and this and that, but
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  Speaker 5: he understands what he does and what he is. He understands.
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  Speaker 5: He's not a meddler. This owner is– trust me when
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  Speaker 5: I say this. He's not a meddler. That is so wrong,
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  Speaker 5: I can't tell you where to start.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the Penners at all. I've never met
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  Speaker 2: any of them.
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  Speaker 6: But they don't strike me as, quote, football people who
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  Speaker 6: would even remotely– I don't care how smart they are.
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  Speaker 6: I don't care how good their business acumen is. They
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  Speaker 6: don't strike me as people who would– Mess with football stuff. Never.
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  Speaker 2: Play calling stuff.
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  Speaker 6: They ain't Jerry freaking Jones, okay? So I find that
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  Speaker 6: theory from that texture very hard to believe. I'm much
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  Speaker 6: more in line with your theory that, look, I want
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  Speaker 6: to keep this guy around. But, man, four weeks in,
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  Speaker 6: it's a pretty quick parachute pull, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 5: You know what? This goes with John Payton's personality. He's
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  Speaker 5: a very capricious dude. And that capriciousness rose up in
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  Speaker 5: week five. He changes his mind a lot. He does
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  Speaker 5: things on the fly a lot. Again, the word volatile
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  Speaker 5: is there. Sure. And this doesn't surprise me one bit,
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  Speaker 5: but to suggest it was forced upon him, the original notion, no,
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  Speaker 5: this was never forced upon him. No, this was his idea.
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  Speaker 5: And When it's his idea, let me ask you something.
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  Speaker 5: Let me ask you something. To the texter. If this
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  Speaker 5: was forced upon Sean Payton, if they said you better
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  Speaker 5: do this, what would give him the go-ahead to change
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  Speaker 5: it then? If the owner's pulling the strings, if you
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  Speaker 5: believe that, which is false, does Sean just come up
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  Speaker 5: and say, no, no, I'm taking it back? It's not happening.
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  Speaker 5: This is a Sean decision.
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  Speaker 6: This.
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  Speaker 5: I said this in the appetizer.
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  Speaker 4: This all feels like a giant waste of time. It
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  Speaker 4: feels like my time was wasted.
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  Speaker 2: All of this.
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  Speaker 4: The decision of, like, initially giving it to him and
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  Speaker 4: how much could things change and then things didn't really
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  Speaker 4: change and then four weeks in we're just going back
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  Speaker 4: to what it was.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: At the heart of this, it's a voice that I
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  Speaker 5: think Bo Nix needs to hear. Bo Nix needs to
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  Speaker 5: hear Sean's voice.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I thought Bo and Davis Webb got along swimmingly.
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  Speaker 2: And the relationship was so good.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, hang on, hang on, hang on.
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  Speaker 4: I think, to Vic's point, maybe Sean Payton said, maybe
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  Speaker 4: it's a little too buddy-buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe he needs a father. Remember, that's how I explained
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  Speaker 5: it yesterday. The way I explained it yesterday, here's the
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  Speaker 5: play call. This guy's going to be open. I'll give
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  Speaker 5: you an example of this, by the way. I have
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  Speaker 5: audio that might say that. Yes, Moshe, quickly.
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  Speaker 6: Well, this better friggin' work because it looks the same
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  Speaker 6: to me as it always has.
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  Speaker 2: So it better work. Well, if it doesn't work, I.
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: Know who's going to pay the price. So two things.
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: Two things here.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: Number one, I got audio to what Vic is talking about.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: Maybe he needs a more stern voice in the headset.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: Number two, where does this go from here? I think
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: Sean Payton is now Teflon.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: And we'll explain it next.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: So Bud Light Football Friday. Bud Light, the official beer
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: sponsor of the Denver Broncos. Remember to enjoy responsibly. So
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: I'll do this one first. I'll talk about Teflon Sean
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: Payton in a moment.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: Or what I believe is going to be Teflon Sean.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Teflon Sean, huh?
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Here's a quote from Bo Nix from the other day
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: that I think is exactly what you're talking about.
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: Why are you guys... I'm just curious. Why is this
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: sort of like an anti-Sean Payton move? And I'm not
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: trying to defend Sean Payton, but he's already proven... that
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: he's a hell of a play caller. Now, it didn't
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: work all the time last year.
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: 100%.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: All right, I'll address that first then. This is not anti-Sean.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: I think Sean's a hell of a coach, and I
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: think him calling plays is totally fine.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: I used this word yesterday. I am very sympathetic to
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: Davis Webb in this situation. He was interviewing for jobs
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: of the same kind in which he wouldn't have been
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: fired four weeks in.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: If he got an offensive coordinator job, somebody else, he's
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: not fired right now or relieved of his plate calling.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: Interviewing for jobs and getting jobs are two entirely different things.
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: Correct.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: But, Vic, I was doing a hit last night on
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: 9 News. You did a hit?
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, Riker and I talked to John Treach
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: from Calgary.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: And so on.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, because it was on Channel 20 last night.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Mike Kliss came on before us and was talking
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: about this, and he said, look.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Did he do a hit, too?
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: Did you guys do a hit together?
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Hit him. You're in the business, Jack Waggie. You know
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: what the hell I'm talking about. I'm interested, Moe. Stow it, Alice.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Yo, I'm interested.
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: What happened?
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Bang! Come on, man.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: And basically, he said that now Davis Webb's name is
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: down the.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: It's cold. It's down the rung now. Like Sean Payton's
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: was in 2002?
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: Like Sean Payton was in 2002?
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: I'm just telling you the situation right now that this
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: is going to affect his hireability other places.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: That's for sure. But again.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: Okay, what did he do to Sean Payton's career?
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: He picked himself up by his bootstraps to win a
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: For God's sake.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Why are you acting like... You guys make it sound
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: like he's the first person to lose his... Late calling duties.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: Here's why.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: I don't think this was given a fair shot for him,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: and I think if you're going to make this decision
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: to give him the play sheet, then actually see it
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: through for a little bit. You were 2-2 last year
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: through four games, playing much worse opponents than this, and
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: the offense really doesn't look all that different.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: That's all. Maybe they're trying to evaluate the quarterback. Maybe
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: they said, okay, we want to make sure people don't
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: confuse this for play caller or quarterback. And maybe this
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: is his way of saying, I'm going to take a
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: closer look.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Well, Vic, all of that is fine. And look, I'm
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: not stumping for Davis Webb. I don't care what happens
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: with Davis Webb's career from here on out. I'm just saying,
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: for a guy in his position, it feels pretty crappy.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: And I'd say this.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Crappy?
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: He was on the elevator up. He just got done
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: playing football a couple years ago. Understood. And this coach
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: gave him an opportunity to come in. And he gave
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: him an elevator up button.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: So what?
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: So, so he has to take a backseat. He'll be fine.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Nobody.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: Listen, you guys make it sound like this guy's career
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: is dead.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: He's fine.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Homie.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Nobody is. I'm not on Sean Payton's bacon. Okay. I'm not.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: I'm at, I, I, I, in fact, I'm confident that
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: he's going to come in and this is going to
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: be good for the Denver Broncos and good for Bo Nix.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm really not upset about it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: I'm just very confused about the whole thing. Either you're
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: going to give it a chance to work or you're not.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: And maybe four weeks is enough for Sean Payton because
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: he feels like the division is going to get away
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: from him because the Raiders are in front of him
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: and so are the Chiefs.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's it. I don't know, Vic.
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: If it's me, though, I'd give the kid... The Chargers
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: game because they suck.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Look, I'm not white knighting for Davis Webb here, okay?
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I'm not jumping in like a knight in shining armor
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: trying to defend his honor. I don't really care. What
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Mo said is I don't get it. I don't get
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: it because.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Last year, if.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Davis Webb did what the Broncos, if he was the
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: OC last year through four games where Sean Payton had
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: fired him, And I think the answer is probably yes,
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: based on this, but Sean Payton was the one who
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: did that last year. And so I thought that maybe
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: he could see, hey, there's something to slow start to
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: the year, good opponents that you faced. Maybe I give
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: you another game or two before I make this decision.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: It's just weird to me.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: That's all. They have 13 games left on the schedule, correct?
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Yes. Correct.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: If in those 13 games, the offense struggles, if the
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: offense continues to struggle with Sean Payton calling the plays,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: who falls?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: That, This is the next point that I was going
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: to make. This is a weird situation of if the
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: offense continues to play poorly, guess who's not blamed?
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: It's not Sean. No, he'll catch blame. He won't catch.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: He won't catch.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: He won't catch walking papers. If somebody will lose their
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: job because the offense is bad at the end of
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: this year, it ain't Sean.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: It'll be both. Bo will be the one.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: And that's why I'm saying he set.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Himself up in a pretty Teflon position of, well, I
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: get to take over play-calling duties. Now the next thing
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: you go to is, if offense still struggles, well, if
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: the quarterback can't do it with two different guys calling plays,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: then it's got to be him.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It ain't me. It ain't me.
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: It's the QB now who's regressing for God knows what reason.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: And damn it, I should have just... I should never
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: have given the play-calling duties over, and Bo wouldn't have regressed, but,
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: you know, whatever. I'm not saying that Peyton's going to
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: be dodging any blame or any sort of responsibility here,
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: but it will make it easier in that regard. Look,
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: I have no reason to doubt Sean Peyton. Guy's a
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: brilliant play-caller. He's a terrific head coach, has been for
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: a long, long time. I just find it curious.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: I don't care about the timing. I don't care how
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: curious it looks. You're giving the play-calling back to a
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: guy who went 14-3 last year. And I know there
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: are a lot of people complaining about the offense last year,
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: but the numbers are 14-3. And Davis Webb had a
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: chance to take away those duties and hold on to them.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: And here we are week four, and they've changed already.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: This is Sean Payton's personality. This is who he is.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: It doesn't surprise me one bit, especially since he's gone
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: through it. He's gone through this. It still does surprise me.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I don't, Vic, if I asked you before the season started,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: what's the earliest you could see him taking over play
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: calling duties?
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: You wouldn't say week five. You wouldn't have said week five.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: It is surprising. But I'll tell you this. To your point.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, you want me to tell you what you say? No,
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: that's fine. Listen, I'm not surprised.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Okay. All right.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: Got it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: To your point. I do think there's something to the idea.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: But Moj, I don't think that Bo and Davis Webb
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: had a bad relationship. I think it's a really good
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: one and maybe too good. There was a quote from
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Bo Nix the other day that I think might explain this.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: So from the casual.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Viewer to the ultra X's and O's guys who break
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: down film like Dan Orlovsky, we've all kind of come
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: to the same conclusion. Bo is not waiting for a
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: play to develop. He is in a clean pocket. with
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: guys still making their breaks downfield, and he's dumping off
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: to R.J.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Harvey, right?
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Nix was asked about that a couple days ago. Here
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: was his response to it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, Davis, Sean, Logan, I haven't heard that
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: from them a whole lot this season, so, you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: that's all I'm really worried about.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Maybe Sean's like, oh, yeah, well, I'm going to be
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: in your ear on Sunday. Maybe you'll hear about that.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't heard that all season, so I'm not
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: worried about it. Okay, well, whatever.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: We may find out in three or four weeks. It's
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: not at all the plays that are making the difference.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: It's the players. It's the player. Somebody brought this up.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Somebody write this.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Hold on.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Aaron on the text line. Tell me what this means.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Don't use the word if it's the text. Don't use
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: the four-letter word. What does that word mean? I can
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: explain it to you during the break.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Don't use that word.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: I didn't know Vic was such a blank for the establishment. Wow.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Hold on.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: What does that word mean? What are you talking about?
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you. What do you mean the establishment?
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Hold on.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Hold on.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: What do you mean the establishment?
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: I'm going out and partying with Sean Payton and we're
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: best friends?
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I don't care what he does.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: What do you mean? I'm here to offer my opinion.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: The hell are you talking about? What does that mean?
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I got to see this word.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: What does that mean?
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: But I think I know in my head. You know
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: what the word is. Yeah, yeah.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: What does he believe I'm doing here? I don't know.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not him. I don't know.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: I have no idea. Now, how about this? Kids did, idiots. So,
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: here's the other thing.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Moving forward, a texter wrote something in the appetizer, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: to me, Here's what's funny. I am surprised by the
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: decision to make this move now. To be honest with you,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: I don't think it matters. I don't think it matters
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: if Davis Webb or Sean Payton is calling the plays.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: If you're expecting the offense to look wildly different this weekend,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: then I don't know where your head's at because the
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: offense has looked the same as it did last year
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: through the first four weeks, maybe underperforming a little bit
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: to that.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: But take it holistically.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: The Broncos are 2-2 through four games against really good
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: opponents in this league, which ironically, like we all said
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: before the season started, if they were 3-3 at the
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: end of this stretch, we'd take it, right?
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Well, they're right on pace. They're right on pace for it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Offense has not looked good, but a texture says they
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: returned 97% of their roster.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: I think people had higher expectations for them.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: The only change that was made to the offense is
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: you acquired Jalen Waddell, which should make you better in
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: the pass game, and he's had one big game this year.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: But when you return 95% of your offense, why would
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: you expect the offense to look wildly different from the
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: year previous to that?
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: I tell you what, man, I've been looking at a
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: lot of these videos that people keep sending me, and
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: I really appreciate it. I'm getting DM'd these videos. JT O'Sullivan,
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: is that his name, the former quarterback? He did a
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: video on Bo Nix, and it's like a piling on session.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Everybody's doing these videos, and everybody has different reasons why
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Bo Nix is missing these targets downfield. A guy's open,
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: he's missing them. JT O'Sullivan did this video.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I'll give it to you.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: And it's all about his footwork and how his footwork
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: is so off and how his feet are pointed the
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: wrong direction and how his footwork, here we are, year three,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: he still doesn't have proper feet. And he's talking about
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: his feet. Now, this is stuff that's beyond my understanding.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: I have no idea what the hell this is. It's
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: quarterback talk. This is a former quarterback looking at the
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: current quarterback and saying, If you want to know what's
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: wrong with the Broncos' offense, the plays are fine. The
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: plays are perfectly fine. Your quarterback doesn't know what the
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: hell he's doing with his feet. That is his argument.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and the discussion has been that the run plays,
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: for the most part, have been blocked properly. But the
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: running backs just simply aren't picking up the yards they
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: should be picking up.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: So maybe this is Sean Payton's way of saying, okay,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: everybody's got a complaint. I'm going to take them back over,
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: and we'll find out what's really wrong.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: That's fine.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Isn't that a little bit weird, though?
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: These experts are like, the play calling's fine. They're getting
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: guys open. The blocking is fine. Players aren't executing.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Well, yes, but then it becomes, well, if Sean Payton
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: takes over, it's different.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: I just don't know how it's going to be different.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: That's all. Again, here's what I expect this weekend.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: I'll give you my Broncos prediction this weekend at 734
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: in the morning. I think this is a close game
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: at half and the Broncos pull away late because that's
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: what the Broncos do.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: That's what I think is going to happen.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I think the offense will probably look really pedestrian for
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: 30 minutes, and then they'll turn it on.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Well, then you'll have the answer. And if that happens
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: next week and the week after that, then what's the
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: problem here?
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: But this is what I've been trying to say for
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: the first month of this season is it feels like
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: there's been a lot of hand-wringing about, gosh, this looks
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: just bad.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: I'm like, guys, it looks the same.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: It looks the same.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: There's nothing different this year. Bo Nix wasn't pushing the
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: ball downfield into tight windows where he was missing open
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: guys or he was taking checkdowns. You weren't committing to
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: the running game or you're having stupid penalties and stupid moments.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Like, duh! That's two straight years of it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: Brett, they did do it during the Buffalo Bills game.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: He looked like a different player, but why is that?
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: Because they had to. because they had to keep pace
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: because the defense was giving up. They were getting gouged.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: I reckon you're probably right, but that's more of a
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: bone Knicks thing. That's more of about, it's more about Vic,
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: the way he plays the game at certain times than
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: it is about play calling or anything else. It's just
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: about that quarterback and how he feels comfortable and how
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: he's able to, to play his best and what environment
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: does he need to play his best? I wish you
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: could manufacture that in the first quarter, but you can't
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: because everybody knows it's the first damn quarter.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Um, I'll give you some Sean Payton, by the way.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Sean Payton was pretty defiant yesterday in that press conference.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I liked it, actually. He was asked about being 62
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: years old and calling plays and what's that like for
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: a coordinator?
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: And he said, I think I'm still one of them. right?
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: That was a good, good storyline for us. It was
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: because I honestly felt it was going to help us.
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: Like I wouldn't have done that if I didn't think that's,
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: that's how unique I think he is. And yeah, it was,
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: it was because I honestly thought standing back as the
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: head coach, it would help us.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: One of the best coordinators in the league.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: I'm still one of them. Make no mistake. You know
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: who you're talking to?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: I like it too. This is a very basic situation
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: on why they're making the move. And I think Davis Webb,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: I've met Davis. He is a, I mean, you talk about,
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: he's going.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: To be great.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: He's 31. He's going to be great.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: And I agree with Sean. He prefaced the entire press
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: conference yesterday by saying, I know a head coach when
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: I see one. He's going to be great. But just
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: because you're young and promising doesn't mean you have all
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: the answers. You've got to learn. You've got to fail.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: You've got to fail. Adversity has to hit you. And
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: guess what? This is his first hurdle, and he's going
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: to have to overcome it. I don't feel sorry for him.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: This is the NFL. I don't feel sorry for him
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: one bit. He'll overcome it. He'll be fine. It's like
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: the substitute teacher. You took some liberties with the sub,
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: didn't you, when the substitute came in? I did, and
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I was a great student. If you had Mr. Tchaikovsky
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: as your English teacher, and he was stern and hard,
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: And all of a sudden, Mr. C wasn't there and
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: he had to substitute.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: Vic, if, yeah, but it's not the same. If Sister
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: Mary Elephant comes in to teach geography one day, but Mrs.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: Velociraptor is sitting over there in the chair on the
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: side of the room, you're still not going to screw
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: around because Mrs. Velociraptor is sitting over there.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying you're screwing around. I think mentally, I think,
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: I think Sean believes Bo needs to hear his voice.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that. I think that Sean believes that
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Bo needs to hear his voice. What does Bo think?
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: We'll find out. We're fixing to find out, aren't we?
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: And by the way, Moj, before you assume that this
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: is a dub, last night, the 0 and 4 Bucks
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: got themselves a dub. Well, I got... Big time win.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: It's an interesting way of how they did it that
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: I want to get to in a little bit. The
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: funny thing is, I think... a lot of this comes
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: down to one thing. Sean Payton associates him being a
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: head coach with him calling plays. We talked about this
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: a lot in the off season. I think he couldn't
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: stand that he wasn't in control. Honestly, he's a control freak.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: And I think through four weeks, it was like, this
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: doesn't look any better. In fact, it looks a little
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: bit worse than it did last year. I can't take
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: it anymore. This is mine.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I'm doing this.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: And he will not give up play calling for the
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: rest of his coaching career.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: It's his reputation on the line.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: It's his staff. I don't blame him. I'm just saying.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Boys, listen up.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to pick the Broncos for lay it
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: down this week because I don't want all these weirdies
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: and freakzoids saying, you're going to jinx them. But the
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: Broncos are going to be the living snot out of
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: the Chargers.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: That is a dub.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: I don't care what happened last night with the Bucks
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: and the Cowboys. I don't care.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: The Chargers stink. All right?
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: So I'm not picking them for lay it down, but
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: I would if I didn't think that people wouldn't just
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: have a bunch of kittens over it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: So we'll get back to this in just a little bit.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: It is a Bud Light football Friday. Moshe's got to
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: head out at about 8.30, so we're going to do
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: lay it down at, what.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: 8.20-ish, Moshe? Sound good to you?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: That sounds pretty good.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: We'll do lay it down at eight 20 Instagram.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: So, but like football Friday, Vic, you brought this up
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: last night as I'm watching the avalanche. I'm watching playoff baseball. Oh,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: please don't get, don't give this up.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: White socks.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: Don't do it. They would take a lead.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: They give up like four runs.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: They take a lead. They give up five runs.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Um, I have all these different things that I'm trying
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: to watch, including Thursday Night Football between the Cowboys and
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: the Bucs. And everybody would think to themselves, well, the
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: Bucs are 0-4. They don't have Baker Mayfield. The Cowboys
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: are playing at home. They're going to win that game.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Well, they didn't.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: The Bucs did. And I think the reason as to
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: why applies directly to the Broncos offense. What am I
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: going to say? Why did the Bucs win that game
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: with Jalen Daniels at quarterback? Because Bucky Irving ran for
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: 165 yards.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: That's why.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: It wasn't Jalen Daniels who won that game. It was
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Bucky Irving who won that game.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: They ran as a team for 241 yards on 39 carries.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: That's how a bad team beats a good team.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: And Dallas ran for 50 yards. Javante Williams, who I
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: keep hearing from people, oh, the Broncos should have kept Javante.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: And listen, I love Javante. He ran 12 times for
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: 45 yards. Either you're going to run it or you're not.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: One team ran the football like crazy and did it effectively.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: The other one didn't commit to it, and even when
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: they did, was not effective with it. The Broncos' offense
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: this year.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Has a problem.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: The biggest difference from last year to this year, especially
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: at this point in the calendar, is you cannot run
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: the football. And I'm scared to death that it's not
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: just J.K. Dobbins playing through an injury. I'm scared that J.K.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Dobbins is cooked. He doesn't have... I'm just saying, Mo,
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: he's 28. That's about that milk expiration date for a
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: normal running back in the league. And when running backs
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: stop playing well, it happens instantly. The Marco Murray was
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: like a top back in the league and went to
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: never playing again two years later. Todd Gurley was the
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: reason why the Rams made a Super Bowl years ago.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: And he was out of the league two years later.
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: He was, but he had a devastating knee though, didn't he?
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: Or am I wrong about that?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Gurley did.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the reason why everything fell apart.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: All I'm saying is, with running backs, it happens fast.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And J.K.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Dobbins is somebody who deals with injuries already.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Why does an 0-14 beat the Cowboys at home? Because
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: they ran the snot out of the football.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: That's why.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: It's just easier to run the offense. It's easier to
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: control the game. I mean, this is not breaking news, everybody.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: When you can run the ball, everything else becomes easier.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Now, There are teams who don't run the ball that
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: are winning. I'm looking at the stats right now. Minnesota's
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: middle of the pack running the ball. They're undefeated.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they've– yeah, they are. They only beat the
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Dolphins 15-10, though, last week.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: Atlanta Falcons are number two in the league in running
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: the ball. I mean, they're okay. Okay, look at the
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: top teams in the league.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I don't– yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: The Bears, the Chiefs, the Ravens.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: Let me keep you up on current events. The Falcons stunk.
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: With what's-his-Cooper-Russian quarterback.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: No, no, no. Jack Strand.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Jack Strand. Yeah, both of them. And then Michael Penix
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden is healthy again.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: And they score 70 points in two weeks.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they look like the friggin' Air Coriel Chargers.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: Moj, who is the seventh leading rushing football team in
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: the National Football League right now?
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: The seventh?
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: Seventh best at running the football.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They were 0-4 last night before
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: they won that game. So, I get it. I'm not
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: trying to dispute running the ball is important. There are
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: different ways to skin a cat is all I'm saying.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: If you don't run the, if you run the ball
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: makes everything else easier.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Well, I think you pointed out. So you said the
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: bucks are seventh. You said Atlanta runs the ball really well.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: They aren't very good.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: Here's the difference. Those teams have quarterbacks that are not
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: in the elite category.
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: And.
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: The Broncos right now are in that category as well.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: So they have a quarterback who's not playing at an
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: elite level and a running game that's non-existent.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: What do you do then on offense? I thought the
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: funniest thing to emerge from last night's game, by the way,
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: did you guys hear about a stadium worker in Dallas
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: yelling at Dak Prescott saying how embarrassing it was to
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: lose that game? No, I just watched the video.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Twice? So he's walking through the tunnel. He didn't yell it,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: but he said it loud enough.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: For Dak to hear. Well, cameras picked it up.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: He's walking by.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: That guy's fired.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: And he goes, embarrassing.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: And Dak doesn't break stride, but he turns, and I
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: think for 20 steps, is just staring at this guy
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: as he's walking away.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Pretty unprofessional. And he works there. Pretty unprofessional. Well, it
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: turns out the stadium worker was Jerry Jones.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: Jerry could.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Jerry could do it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Imagine Nicole Jones on this dude. Works at the stadium
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: and says, I don't care. I'm going to let him
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: know how I feel.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I will say, is there any owner in the NFL
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: more animated than Jerry Jones during a game?
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: Like, you know exactly.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes they'll flash up to the booth with
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: the Penner group or whatever. And it's like, they're always
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: just kind of stuck. Take a sip of whatever they're drinking,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: put it back down. Whether it's a pick that you
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: threw or a touchdown you just scored. They're just kind
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: of chill.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Jerry Jones. Pound it to the table. Yeah, he gets
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: into it. Yeah. He's basically what? I mean, Mark Cuban
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: is maybe the best example. Or Balmer.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Balmer. Balmer. They're a big fan. Balmer. He's a big fan.
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: Woo!
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: He's a big fan. Yeah.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, give me that scream, Nelly. That Balmer scream.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Woo!
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: I love this.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Pretty damn cool.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Here's an owner who's not necessarily animated, but always active.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: It's the Indy Colts lady now who's taking notes, copious
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: notes on the sidelines.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: What's in that pad? What's in the pad? But yeah,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Cowboys, you know what? Shame on me
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: for thinking the Cowboys could be good.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: Shame on me. I do this all the time.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: I like Dak. I think Dak's a good quarterback, and
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: he is, but it doesn't matter.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. The Cowboys will always be bad now.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: It's just the way it goes.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: So.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: A couple things here as we head into the weekend.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: I do want to play more of this Sean Payton
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: audio because I think it gives you a little.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: Bit more insight into how he feels.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: But I looked at the injury report again yesterday for
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: the Chargers.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: It's insane.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: We have a promo that's running right now. Lindahl said
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: it's a Cheesecake Factory menu. Like, it is just a list,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: a litany of people.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: How much of that is gamesmanship? They're broken, man. That's
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: not gamesmanship.
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: I think, Vic, I think they're busted up.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Like, they have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: eight guys who are all no practice yesterday at all.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: And three of them are offensive linemen.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Like, think about this.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: It's Slater... Joe Ault, both of their tackles, and Awashika,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: who's their guard, they were all out of practice.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: All week this week.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Trevor Penning as well.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: Trevor Penning.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Guard. Oh, yes.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, four.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Four guys that were all out. Not to mention, Tyler Biotish,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: their center, was out before the season started for the year.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: And to Mosher's point, like to your credit, Mosher, There
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: is no excuse for the Broncos not to win this game.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: And it has nothing. They might score 13 points on
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: offense like they could, and it shouldn't matter. That should
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: be enough. Like if Nick Benito ever had a game
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: where it's, we're going to get my sack totals back
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: on track.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: It's this one. Well, I don't, if there's ever a
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: game where you're injured, they got more.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know what Jim Harbaugh is going to do though.
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: Again, I don't know how much these guys need to practice,
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: but if you're not, If you're not there on Thursday, man,
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: I just don't know if you can go. I mean,
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: it's just, they are the walking wounded. They always have been,
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: probably always will be. Ladd McConkie did not practice, and
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: they were already really, really thin and wide out. Quentin
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: Johnson was a limited participant yesterday. I want him to play.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: I like watching that guy drop passes all the time.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: It's fun.
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: Well, they're... They're in a bad way. I don't know
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: about Derwin James, though. He must have practiced. He must
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: be feeling better. I didn't see him listed anywhere. He
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: was listed earlier this week.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: He did not practice hamstring.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? Yeah. Well, then.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Along with their corner, Dante Jackson, who has a hamstring.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: If you don't win this game, dude, then all bets
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: are off. The Broncos are going to go in there
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: and smoke those guys, Vic.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It's going to happen. All right.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: I'll take that.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: By the way, that's the Ramos Law Injury Report, the
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: official injury law firm partner of Broncos Country.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: I had a nice talk with Joe last night. Joe
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: was at that Nuggets function I attended. Nuggets executives and
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: head coach David Adelman visiting with sponsors and partners. Did
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: you tell him, I see you everywhere.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: You are never not in front of my face on
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: a TV screen or a billboard.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: Mojo, I may have to hire him to ask this
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: question to get to the bottom of this, but you
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: still have not explained to us why. Over your right
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: shoulder in your hotel room, you have a mannequin of
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Bill Belichick.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: I told you. That's where I hang my dresses after
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: the game.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I told you. Oh, my God.
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: Dude, I don't know why there was a dress mannequin
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: in my room. I have no idea. There's a book.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Can you grab it?
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Does it move?
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: Did you sleep with it?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Bring it up here. Bring it up here.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: Did you make that mannequin little spoon? Bring it up here.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: I just want to see how nimble this mannequin is.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, look at it.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: She's a sturdy gal. What the hell is this? What
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: goes on in Calgary?
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, weird place. Weird wallpaper. Just a weird place to be.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Here's one thing I can guarantee you. I think I've
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: never been on these trips, so I can't say this
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: with full authority, but I have two people here that
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: travel with the Avalanche and one person who travels with
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: the Nuggets.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: Vic, the Nuggets would never stay at that hotel. I
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: don't know if I'd stay in a It looks like
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: you're in Alice in Wonderland reboot. That's what it looks like.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: It's kind of stylish.
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: The picture of Dorian Gray is on the nightstand over here.
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: You got a painting up here. It looks like the
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: bear did it, but it looks like Alice Cooper.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: Hey, you know what's funny? She's trying too hard.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Moj stays in hotel rooms in Canada that have mannequins
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: in the background.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: When Vic goes on.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: The road with the Nuggets, his TVs pop up from
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: out of the bed. He hits a button and they rise.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: They're on risers.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Wasn't that in Houston? Yeah. I think that was in Houston.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: It's the sweetest hotel ever.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Anyway, 303-504-0925.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Back after this.