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Feminists Around the World: Us! · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this Sanny and Samantha and welcome with Stefan Never
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  Speaker 1: Told You production by Her Radio.
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  Speaker 2: And today we're doing something a little different as we
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  Speaker 2: like to do every now and again, and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to take a break to celebrate what we just accomplished. Essentially,
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  Speaker 2: celebrate us Annie. If you haven't heard, which I can't
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  Speaker 2: imagine you haven't since if you're following us and you
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  Speaker 2: listen to us at all, you may have heard it
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  Speaker 2: every day. If you've listened to our podcast, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Annie says it every day on our podcast. But we
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  Speaker 2: have a book and it is now available. It is
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  Speaker 2: released today. We've got some fun messages from people congratulating us,
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  Speaker 2: telling us happy book birthday. So that's cute. So we're
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  Speaker 2: going to give ourselves flowers. Annie, We're gonna mark today
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  Speaker 2: because it is released as of today. We did a
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  Speaker 2: whole worldwwind of interviews on radio, which was our whole
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  Speaker 2: experience in itself. But Yeah, I thought that we should
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  Speaker 2: take a moment reflect on this book, give each other
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  Speaker 2: the flower. So yeah, Anye, I'm asking you to compliment me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna compliment you. This is this is a setup
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  Speaker 2: essentially to make myself feel better. I make us feel better.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, today we did a radio tour, so maybe
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  Speaker 2: if any of you are radio listeners, you're located in
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  Speaker 2: some of the areas that we released some of those
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  Speaker 2: interviews with. I think Seattle was one. One said New
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  Speaker 2: York City, but he said he's from Connecticut, so I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how that.
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  Speaker 1: Works, said New York Metro. Yeah, so I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We had a person from Chicago, and then some other places,
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  Speaker 2: and not surprising, they were mainly all men. There were
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  Speaker 2: two women involved, and only one of those women had
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  Speaker 2: her own show, Amanda from Seattle, who was They were
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  Speaker 2: all delights. But I felt like that was very telling
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  Speaker 2: and Annie, actually you predicted the type of questions we
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  Speaker 2: would get. I think about good seventy percent of the
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  Speaker 2: times we did talk about the book, I will say
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  Speaker 2: that the other thirty percent too specifically. We got questions
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  Speaker 2: specifically on feminism, and it was so elementary level. As
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  Speaker 2: we like we sat there, I was like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: like we're teaching them feminism. Of course, we got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of you know, we love our mothers, we love
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  Speaker 2: our wives, which again telling in itself and trying to
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  Speaker 2: explain why feminism is intersectional and why it's needed for
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  Speaker 2: everyone including men. That was very interesting as well. But
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  Speaker 2: I will say, Annie, you did an amazing job.
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  Speaker 1: You did so good. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: You did not stumble on words. I barely heard you say.
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  Speaker 2: I definitely stumbled on several of my words, and you
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  Speaker 2: were just so professional and eloquent. I was like, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: she was nervous for nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. But you were so
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  Speaker 1: good too. I think we kept saying, which I love
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  Speaker 1: that we kept saying during these interviews, was you know,
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  Speaker 1: we balance each other out. We are a good team.
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  Speaker 1: And so I felt like there were several moments where
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  Speaker 1: you stepped in when I was foundering or there were
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  Speaker 1: silence on your side, and I was like, okay, I'll go.
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  Speaker 2: Part of that was because I didn't want to talk
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  Speaker 2: over you because I know you can't interrupt me. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm very badly about interrupting sometimes, so I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I got let her make sure she has her piece first.
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  Speaker 2: And then also part of it was because I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: understand like you were nervous about because all of our
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  Speaker 2: interviews y'all were based on phone. We were on zoom,
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  Speaker 2: but a lot of it was coming through phone and
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  Speaker 2: we weren't necessarily seeing everyone. So I know we've talked
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  Speaker 2: about Annie, you're hearing pretty bad in one ear, but
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  Speaker 2: I was struggling and understanding some of it too, so
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  Speaker 2: I was like trying to let the questions sink in
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  Speaker 2: before answering it. I was like, Oh, I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know if I heard the question right.
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  Speaker 1: That actually makes me feel really good. You did so
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  Speaker 1: good because I think, you know, it's sort of a joke,
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  Speaker 1: but that whole idea of you know, when you have
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  Speaker 1: to adapt to something like maybe it's kind of a superpower,
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  Speaker 1: and mine is like I've gotta piece together the long
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  Speaker 1: story and make it into something and have an answer and.
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  Speaker 2: Response, Well, you did a fantastic job. We will talk
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  Speaker 2: about those interviews a little for a happy hour because
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  Speaker 2: I have some thoughts that I really want to get
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  Speaker 2: off my chest because I'm not gonna lie. There's a
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  Speaker 2: couple of moments where I got angry. But for today,
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  Speaker 2: I just we want to talk about the fact that
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  Speaker 2: we were so excited. We were very overwhelmed. I know
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  Speaker 2: we've had listeners and y'all fams sending us like we're
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  Speaker 2: so excited for you. Sorry that this is so stressful
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  Speaker 2: that you can't be as excited. But the truth of
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  Speaker 2: the matter is, it's like, yes, we're coming into it.
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  Speaker 2: I am proud of what we have done. I'm anxious.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an anxious, pessimistic person, so I'm waiting for backlash,
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  Speaker 2: which I think will be inevitable with this type of book.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about the fact that my family and I
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  Speaker 2: they would not be glad to get get this book.
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  Speaker 2: I will not give them a copy, they will not
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  Speaker 2: hear from me that I have written a book like this.
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  Speaker 2: But in general, I'm very proud of the work that
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  Speaker 2: we put into this. That it is published. Shout out
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  Speaker 2: to Auburn Oil Company bookstore. Apparently they already got our
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  Speaker 2: book ready to go for new releases. Love that, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you there it is.
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  Speaker 1: Look who No, I've had a lot of friends contact
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  Speaker 1: me today and they've been like, so, how are you,
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  Speaker 1: what is it? What is it? You've been so stressed?
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  Speaker 1: Are you relieved? And honestly, it is talking about it
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  Speaker 1: with you. I think that it is very like I'm
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  Speaker 1: proud of it. I am excited for people to read
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  Speaker 1: it or listen to it. But but guys, our jobs
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  Speaker 1: are so demanding. I actually almost forgot yesterday until a
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  Speaker 1: friend text it was like, hey, I can't wait to
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  Speaker 1: get your book.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, the panic that's said. Then
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  Speaker 2: after the fact, yeah, it really we do have a
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  Speaker 2: very stressful job. We've been waiting for this. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure that the radio tour that we just did. It
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  Speaker 2: seems like that might be our only promotional bit, which
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to do more, but I think more
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  Speaker 2: should be done. I was to be very very clear,
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  Speaker 2: and it's kind of odd that that we are told
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  Speaker 2: to do something and it feels like we don't have
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  Speaker 2: the support even from our heads up. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: if I doubt they listen to our show, but if
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  Speaker 2: they do, they get mad. They get mad. But I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's true, it feels like it's very little support from
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  Speaker 2: our actual parent company compared to the publishers have been
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  Speaker 2: a lot more excited, it seems maybe because it's their
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  Speaker 2: job only, as opposed to like our company is about
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  Speaker 2: has hundreds of podcasts that that's constantly happening, so they
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  Speaker 2: have a lot more people to pay attention to and
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  Speaker 2: not our little book. And I'm saying that as if
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  Speaker 2: that's what I think they think. Maybe so that's odd,
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  Speaker 2: But nonetheless, I think we did an amazing job. We
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  Speaker 2: have to. I hope we get Janie on our show,
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  Speaker 2: who was our third in this book, really editing out
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  Speaker 2: and helped us hash out what looks good as a book,
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  Speaker 2: what's realistic as a book, and then also what to
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  Speaker 2: expect from our publishers who have we haven't talked to
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  Speaker 2: in a long time. And I miss her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was amazing. She was. She was somebody who
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  Speaker 1: I felt like she was way too cool for us,
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  Speaker 1: but never made me personally feel that way, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was I don't know you want this, but
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  Speaker 2: this is what we think. And then just being like, oh, y'all,
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  Speaker 2: are y'all know more than me? And I'm like that's
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  Speaker 2: not true. We don't please help us, and so oftentimes,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, she was fantastic and of course, like we
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  Speaker 2: also were like, oh, she just has to do this for.
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  Speaker 1: Her work, but in our minds we're like, we really.
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  Speaker 2: Do want to be friends with you. Yeah, how do
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  Speaker 2: I become friends with you? And then also talking about Heleneoe,
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  Speaker 2: who is done has done the illustration and y'all y'all
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  Speaker 2: need to go check out her work. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if we've talked about her site. I think it's Helensway
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  Speaker 2: art dot com. So it's Helen C. H o I
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  Speaker 2: art dot com and you get to see all of
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  Speaker 2: her works. She has it Oliver, Atlanta. When I lived
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  Speaker 2: in my old apartment, she had artwork. But I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I know her.
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  Speaker 1: I was very excited.
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  Speaker 2: Then I was like, I have a connection. Who again
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  Speaker 2: is a friend of one of our designers on the team, Pam,
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  Speaker 2: who's also phenomenal. But yeah, if you get a chance,
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  Speaker 2: you should go look at her art. She has a website.
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  Speaker 2: She has I think pieces that people buy as well.
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  Speaker 1: I need some pieces.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you can commission a work from her. Again, she
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  Speaker 2: did a phenomenal job. Our book really came to life
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  Speaker 2: because that was one of our exciting ideas is to
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  Speaker 2: have a graphic novel portion because that's so us and
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  Speaker 2: we wanted that as part of our personality type here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was definitely one of the highlights was
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  Speaker 1: working with her especially. I remember when we did the
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  Speaker 1: first first chapter was the bow of the sexist chapter,
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  Speaker 1: and I was just like, here's my thought process. Spider
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  Speaker 1: verse meets Dinnis and I was just like describing all
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  Speaker 1: of these things and she did it like she just
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  Speaker 1: that is a skill set I do not have. She
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  Speaker 1: took that and made it to amazing art that communicated
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  Speaker 1: what we need to communicate in the two pages we
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  Speaker 1: were allotted to communicate.
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  Speaker 2: She worked with the boundaries and then when like things
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  Speaker 2: came through that didn't wasn't supposed to happen, she still
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  Speaker 2: made it happen. We were like, damn, she's the best.
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  Speaker 2: So having both of them being a part of this,
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  Speaker 2: and then of course we have to talk about the
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  Speaker 2: fact that Christina's been like handling all our ass social
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  Speaker 2: media stuff. She has been like doing everything because she
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  Speaker 2: was not a part of those at the beginning, and
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  Speaker 2: they were like, hey, you are now now you did
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  Speaker 2: not do this.
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  Speaker 1: We're so sorry. And of course.
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  Speaker 2: Christina, you are amazing and amazing part of this team
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  Speaker 2: and really killing it as per usual. Joey who's handled
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  Speaker 2: stuff on TikTok for us, which we are still not
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  Speaker 2: doing a lot on one day maybe will be cool
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  Speaker 2: like that, but they have done an amazing job and
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  Speaker 2: making us look not so silly.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's up for debate. But given the material.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, of course there's a lot of things that we
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  Speaker 2: don't know the future of the projects. There may be
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  Speaker 2: more to this that we're not quite ready for, but
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  Speaker 2: hopefully it won't be as as daunting as what has been.
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  Speaker 2: But hopefully, Like the biggest thing about this, I think
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  Speaker 2: is knowing that our names are on a book that
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  Speaker 2: we can be proud of that hopefully is only a
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  Speaker 2: stepping stone for other people to build up on. We
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  Speaker 2: want to be a part of this new intersectional feminism
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  Speaker 2: where we are not just allies and advocates, but we
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  Speaker 2: are here. We are on the front line with everyone
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  Speaker 2: else having this conversation and making sure that this conversation
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  Speaker 2: doesn't die, and that we are very clear that we
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  Speaker 2: understand as feminists we are not necessarily experts, We are
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily the end all be all teachers of this,
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  Speaker 2: but we are also the students and a part of
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  Speaker 2: feminism and it's part of the intersectional feminism is that
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  Speaker 2: we are learning and growing with everyone, but also being
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  Speaker 2: voices for others.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and I think that our radio tour today which
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  Speaker 1: we will talk about and had many like positive. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to sound all negative, but it actually did
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  Speaker 1: make me feel like, Okay, I'm in my bubble where
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  Speaker 1: most people agree with me or know what I'm talking about, right,
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  Speaker 1: and this is we have a lot more work to
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  Speaker 1: do if this is the conversation. And that's not necessarily that.
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  Speaker 1: There was just some times where I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is really important that we're still talking about this then.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that not being too afraid to have
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  Speaker 1: those conversations and not shutting people out from those conversations
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  Speaker 1: is really important because a lot of our book won't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily be new in terms of information, But I think
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  Speaker 1: our voices are distinct, and I think we're coming at
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  Speaker 1: it from a very distinct way, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: does matter. And we've already heard about you know it
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  Speaker 1: being in libraries, and that idea to me is just
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  Speaker 1: so overwhelming and exciting that kids will read it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was a question. I know we did get that question.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I don't know. Basically, I said,
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  Speaker 1: I think good job, parents should read it first. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's yeah, I think kids should read it honestly eventually, yes,
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  Speaker 1: have a certain ye part of it, sure, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, also, just I want to really emphasize We've
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  Speaker 1: said it before, but this book, this show would not
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  Speaker 1: be here without you listeners, So flowers to you, I
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  Speaker 1: honestly have you have really changed the trajectory of the
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  Speaker 1: show in a positive way, and you've made me, at
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  Speaker 1: least I'm sure you to think about like different different
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  Speaker 1: ways to think about things and brought things in my
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  Speaker 1: radar that I didn't have, And so I love that too.
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  Speaker 1: That it feels a very It's like I keep calling
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  Speaker 1: it a love letter to our audience who's been there,
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  Speaker 1: who is supportive, but also yes, kind of opening opening
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  Speaker 1: it up to other people who might not listen to
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  Speaker 1: podcasts and give another avenue for more people to be
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  Speaker 1: intersectional feminist.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, when we talk about feminist around the world, coming
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  Speaker 2: back to it, we talk about a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: who seem more abstract because they're far distaner or we
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  Speaker 2: don't know them. But yeah, when people like our listeners
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  Speaker 2: have the conversation, open up this conversation, are willing to
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  Speaker 2: have this conversation and or have a call in when
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  Speaker 2: it's necessary, I think that's an amazing thing and that's
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  Speaker 2: part of the breaking down of the white supremacy that
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  Speaker 2: we talk about, the sexism that we talk about, the
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  Speaker 2: misogyny that we talk about, and bringing in so much
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  Speaker 2: growth as a community. And that's the things with movements
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  Speaker 2: like this, there's always room to grow. And with that,
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  Speaker 2: when we have people and have others who advocate as
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  Speaker 2: they do and truly truly work put in the work,
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  Speaker 2: it's a movement. And I think that's why it is
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  Speaker 2: exciting to see our book and I think, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: would claim it as we are trying to make a
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  Speaker 2: statement in a movement. That's a part of the book
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  Speaker 2: like did we have a choice at the beginning? No?
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  Speaker 2: But did we take that non choice and make it
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  Speaker 2: our statement?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, And the book I always kind of joke
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  Speaker 1: like there's two because you kind of we were panicking
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  Speaker 1: about this radio tour, to be honest, and we had
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  Speaker 1: a pre meeting about it, and you were like, you
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  Speaker 1: answer why it happened, because essentially what happened was our
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  Speaker 1: boss was like, let's do this. Yeah, I'll be frank
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  Speaker 1: with all of you, but we did take that let's
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  Speaker 1: do this, and we made something that I'm glad that
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  Speaker 1: we made, and I also hope that that this might
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  Speaker 1: just be another way someone finds are what we're all
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  Speaker 1: about I just hope that somebody, no matter where they
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  Speaker 1: are in life, no matter their experience, finds it and
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  Speaker 1: that that opens the door are either. Is just kind
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  Speaker 1: of a comforting in a way, like, yes, I feel
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  Speaker 1: that way too, right, Yes, I resonate with that.
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  Speaker 2: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So.
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  Speaker 2: We are the feminists around the world that's celebrating today.
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  Speaker 2: If you get a chance to get this book, great,
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  Speaker 2: we hope you enjoy it. Please let us know what
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  Speaker 2: you think. Don't be made to us. We don't have
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  Speaker 2: the mental capacity to handle that right now. Give us
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  Speaker 2: only a year before you get real Maine.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh. Well, And that's another thing is we kept
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  Speaker 1: talking about one final note, but we kept talking about as.
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  Speaker 1: One of the questions we keep getting is what's the
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  Speaker 1: difference between doing that and your podcast? And one of
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  Speaker 1: the big things for me is like in a podcast,
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  Speaker 1: you can issue a correction or many variety of things
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  Speaker 1: to do as the conversation shifts. In a book, you
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  Speaker 1: can't do that. So it does open with a lot
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  Speaker 1: of disclaimers, but I think they're necessary. Don't let it
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  Speaker 1: turn you away. They're like, we're writing this at this
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  Speaker 1: point in time, right, life changed real quick and the
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  Speaker 1: conversation evolves, and that's good in a lot of ways. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so flowers to you, Samantha. I couldn't ask for a
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  Speaker 1: better partner and friend who have done this with. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: we're still friends. We've wrote a book together.
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  Speaker 2: I know. We did it pretty cohesively too, like no, no,
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  Speaker 2: like passive aggressive smarky marks each other. We were just like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, you can do this.
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  Speaker 1: We got this, yes, which I do in part credit,
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  Speaker 1: not that I think our friendship put a falling apart,
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  Speaker 1: but Janey once again.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, really I think the amount of confusion would have
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  Speaker 2: had us both frustrated.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Also, we're not in the publishing world. Yea, we
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  Speaker 1: would have been.
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  Speaker 2: Publishing world is crazy. And yeah, we gotta get flowers
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  Speaker 2: to all the authors than those who are genuinely doing
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  Speaker 2: creating things like this, because it's it's a thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's a whole thing. It sure it sure is. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: flowers to our whole team. Flowers to you everyone who
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  Speaker 1: made this happen. We really appreciate it. Oh yeah, it's
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