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SYSK Selects: How Electroconvulsive Therapy Works · Stuff You Should Know

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Speaker 1: M Hey everyone, it's your old pal Josh. And for
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Speaker 1: this week's s Y s K Selects, I've chosen how
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Speaker 1: electro convulsive therapy works. Uh. This one was an eye
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Speaker 1: opening episode. It came out in May of two thousand thirteen,
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Speaker 1: and prior to this I always thought it was just
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Speaker 1: kind of a barbaric treatment that was used to keep
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Speaker 1: patients quiet, when actually, in reality, it's an effective therapy
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Speaker 1: that is still in use today. Like I said, I opening.
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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy it. Welcome to Stuff you Should
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Speaker 1: Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, welcome to
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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant,
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Speaker 1: which means it's time for Stuff you Should Know. Indeed
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Speaker 1: shocking edition. See I take the rap for a bad pun,
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Speaker 1: but you in fact said that before we recorded. I
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Speaker 1: know I before we recorded. I have a public image.
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Speaker 1: I have to carefully got um Chuck. Yes, have you
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Speaker 1: ever seen or read or both One flu Over the
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Speaker 1: Cuckoo's Nest? Yes? Both? Oh? Yeah? Did you like the
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Speaker 1: book more than the movie or vice versa? Both? The
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Speaker 1: book was great. I've seen the movie a dozen times. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: One of my faiths it is a great movie. I
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Speaker 1: haven't read the book, although I was a Kinksi fan.
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Speaker 1: I thought he was a cool dude. Yeah, I've read
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Speaker 1: a few. It is. Um. What else did he write?
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Speaker 1: He did the Well, actually he didn't write. That was
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Speaker 1: Tom Wolfe that wrote the Electrical light Estra. But Kesi
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Speaker 1: was figured prominently obviously. Oh yeah, he was the main
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Speaker 1: KESI wrote the crap. I'll come back to it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: he wrote the what was it the book? Well, if
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Speaker 1: you haven't seen or read one flu Over the Cuckoo's Nest,
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Speaker 1: you totally should. It is, like Chuck was saying, one
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Speaker 1: of the best movies of all time. It is a
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Speaker 1: great book, apparently. And Um. One of the things that
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Speaker 1: factors into it setting in insane asylum in the fifties
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Speaker 1: I would say maybe sixties. Um. And one of the
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Speaker 1: I guess almost a character in this um movie or
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Speaker 1: book is electro convulsive therapy, which the staff uses to
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Speaker 1: basically keep the patients in check. Um. Just the very
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Speaker 1: threat of getting electro convulsive therapy shock treatment, a type
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Speaker 1: of shock treatment, we should say, is enough to just
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Speaker 1: keep everybody very docile and calm and settle down when
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Speaker 1: they started to get riled up. You can just ask
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Speaker 1: them do you want some shock treatment? They're like no, No,
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Speaker 1: everything's good, Everything's fine. And apparently because of that and
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Speaker 1: Keisi worked as an orderly in a mental institution in Oregon,
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Speaker 1: so he saw his firsthand when he wrote it. Um,
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Speaker 1: because of that, E. C. T. Got a pretty bad
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Speaker 1: rap over the course of a couple of decades, the
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Speaker 1: point where it's basically forced almost out of existence. And
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Speaker 1: it wasn't just key easy um making this stuff up
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Speaker 1: like he said, he was a he was a disorderly,
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Speaker 1: like like the fat boys. Um. But there was also
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Speaker 1: a study in NY the National Institutes of Health that
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Speaker 1: found like that was pretty common practice among antal institutions
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Speaker 1: at the time because it was drug free. Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: was just using electrical shock and it wasn't a lobotomy,
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Speaker 1: right and um it was the effects were temporary and
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Speaker 1: apparently it worked to keep everybody in line. But that's
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Speaker 1: a gross abuse of this pretty effective therapy for mental illness, yeah,
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Speaker 1: for severe depression. And these days it is approved by
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Speaker 1: the National Institute of Mental Health, the a p A,
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Speaker 1: the a m A, and the U. S. Surgeon General,
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Speaker 1: and they all say that if used properly e c
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Speaker 1: T these days, and you know, tweaked diversion of what
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Speaker 1: they did back then is can be very beneficial. And
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Speaker 1: Kitty Dukakus, wife of Michael du Caucus, former presidential nominee
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Speaker 1: until he wrote in a tank, uh, wrote a book
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Speaker 1: because she had it and it's called Shock, The Healing
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Speaker 1: Powers of Electro Convulsive Therapy, and um, it helped her out.
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Speaker 1: And I've read excerpts and reviews and stuff, and she
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Speaker 1: doesn't like champion it for everyone or anything, but gives
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Speaker 1: a lot of great history and then says how it
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Speaker 1: has helped her in her journey right through depression. Apparently
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Speaker 1: also helped Dick cabin Oh yeah, yeah, it did not
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Speaker 1: help so much. Um, Sylvia Platha in a steeming Way right, Um,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, it's been it's been used on a decent
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Speaker 1: amount of people. Apparently about a hundred thousand Americans a
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Speaker 1: year undergo electro convulsive therapy. Six under who who got
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Speaker 1: George the James cam Yeah yeah that's right. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we've already spoiled that show, so we might we should
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Speaker 1: just like do dramatic readings from scripts. Uh yeah, Um,
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Speaker 1: so we we should also say before we go forward,
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Speaker 1: It's very easy to call it electro shock therapy. It's
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Speaker 1: kind of right. Electro Convulsive therapy is a type of
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Speaker 1: shock therapy and shock therapies. The aim is to shock
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Speaker 1: your system into having a convulsion, because as far back
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Speaker 1: as Hyppocrates, it was noticed that people who have mental
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Speaker 1: illnesses who experienced convulsions tended to feel a little better
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Speaker 1: after the after they experienced their seizures. Yeah, so what
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Speaker 1: you're trying to do with any kind of shock treatment
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Speaker 1: is induced a seizure and a convulsion because no one
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Speaker 1: knows why still to this day, but it does something
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Speaker 1: to your brain and can cure, whether temporarily or permanently,
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Speaker 1: um mental illness. Yeah. I wonder how this I never
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Speaker 1: I didn't think about until just now. I wonder how
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Speaker 1: it ties in with like a temper tantrum, like a
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Speaker 1: kid feeling better afterward or more settled afterward, or an
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Speaker 1: adult that just loses it, you know, and then you know,
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Speaker 1: I think everyone's truly lost it before in some emotional way,
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Speaker 1: and then afterwards you're like, boy, may feel like more
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Speaker 1: relaxed now, right, like resetting after like a catharsis. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I bet you it's sort of similar pathways in the brain, right,
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Speaker 1: except this is with electricity exactly. So, um, let's talk
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Speaker 1: about the history of shock therapies and electro convulsive therapy
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Speaker 1: or e c T. That's easier to say. So. One
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Speaker 1: thing that they did in the twentieth century, um, they
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Speaker 1: started to experiment with insulin shock, where they would just
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Speaker 1: dose the crud out of somebody with insulin and basically
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Speaker 1: like bring them into a coma and in the comma
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Speaker 1: they would have convulsions. Is that right? Yeah? Right, that
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Speaker 1: was the point, Like they figured out this guy named
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Speaker 1: Ladislaus von Maduna, who was a Hungarian physician. Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: figured out that if you take insulin and injected into somebody,
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Speaker 1: puts him in a coma temporary coma um that you
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Speaker 1: can bring him out of with glucose, and then while
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Speaker 1: they're in the coma they have seizures. And he was
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Speaker 1: one of the ones were probably the first modern physician
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Speaker 1: to suggest that there was a link between seizure or um. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: seizures and the curing of mental illness. He took it
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Speaker 1: one step too far and saying that schizophrenia and epilepsy
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Speaker 1: were counter productive maladies. So if you had one, you
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Speaker 1: couldn't have the other. Not true. He was wrong about that,
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Speaker 1: but he was right about seizures having a curative effect
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Speaker 1: on mental illness. Though interesting, but he was the one
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Speaker 1: who started championing and champion championing using insulin to produce seizures.
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Speaker 1: So he led the way, followed by Italian scientists in
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Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties who finally brought electricity into it. Well,
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Speaker 1: hold on, there was another guy too before. Yeah, like
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Speaker 1: right around the same time, they are all these competing
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Speaker 1: shock therapies, um, and there was the insulin guy, and
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Speaker 1: then there was another dude UM named Manfred's Sakel and
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Speaker 1: he was testing something called metrozol, which is the respiratory stimulant.
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Speaker 1: And when you give somebody this stuff, they have seizures.
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Speaker 1: And it's very reliable and it's very powerful, more powerful
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Speaker 1: than insulin, and it requires less recuperation time in hospitalization time.
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Speaker 1: The problem is it's so powerful. They're like of patients
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Speaker 1: who had um shock therapy using metros all stuff suffered
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Speaker 1: spinal fractures from because the convulsions were so hardcore. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like the Exorcist. Yeah, and then some now we're electricity Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they discovered electricity. No, eight, that's not true. That was close.
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Speaker 1: I think it was like, um, these Italians, they were scientists,
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Speaker 1: and they said, we can use this to jolt this
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Speaker 1: guy like with these delusions. He's he's clearly suffering, Like
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Speaker 1: shock him with electricity and the delusions receded after like
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Speaker 1: several treatments, and then just a few years later in
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Speaker 1: the nineties it was being used as a regular treatment
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Speaker 1: in the US for schizophrenia, depression, bipolarism. Um, but it's
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Speaker 1: not like it is today. No, you said they've tweaked it.
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Speaker 1: They've definitely improved it. They figured it out. Like we
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Speaker 1: were a little barbaric before. No anesthesia back then. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so you're wide awake and conscious when they applied an
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Speaker 1: electro shock, yet your brain like in cuckoo's nests. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: violent physical reactions with the body that don't happen these
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Speaker 1: days were very powerful. Yeah, because a there's anesthesia, and
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Speaker 1: they also these days put um muscle relaxers and stuff
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Speaker 1: everywhere except the big the big foot, the foot, eighth
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Speaker 1: single foot. Well, when it has a blood pressure cuffin,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it is the big foot. But yeah, they
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Speaker 1: introduced it intravenously and then they put a blood press
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Speaker 1: your cuff on your around your ankle, so your body
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Speaker 1: isn't like convulsing anymore. But dick and tell it's going
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Speaker 1: on by e G s and stuff. And then the
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Speaker 1: foot single foots movement, Yeah, because you're keeping the muscle
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Speaker 1: relaxer and I guess the anesthesia out of the foot. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so someone's actually a doctor looking just at your foot supposedly.
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that anywhere else. I saw, Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: saw that. Um like they even with the muscle relax
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Speaker 1: and your fists are going to clench it on clanch in,
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Speaker 1: your chest might heave, and they'll still put a tongue
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Speaker 1: thing in your mouth to keep you from buying your
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Speaker 1: tongue off. Right, But the the cumulative effect of it
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Speaker 1: is not going to be felt at all by you
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Speaker 1: because you're out under general anesthesia and you're probably feeling
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Speaker 1: pretty good anyway. That's true thanks to Mr muscle Relaxer.
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Speaker 1: And then the you know what, the way you've always
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Speaker 1: seen it on TV, even when they portray modern like
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Speaker 1: on six ft Under, they show people are always rendered
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Speaker 1: this like zombies, like lobotomized essentially, and that's that's not
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Speaker 1: what's going on these days. No, well, even back then,
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Speaker 1: it was kind of a caricature of what a person
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Speaker 1: looked like coming out of it, because there is memory
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Speaker 1: loss associated with it. Yeah, and there still is. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there was then, there still is now. So I think
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Speaker 1: that it's almost like that's what that's what some artists
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Speaker 1: rendering or some directors rendering of what somebody with memory
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Speaker 1: loss looks like. And so that's what just kind of
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Speaker 1: got picked up in the popular culture following e. C. T.
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Speaker 1: As you're just like catatonic, lobotomized, zombie like. But really
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Speaker 1: it's that's shorthand for it. There's weird memory loss. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and these days are going to check you out a
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Speaker 1: lot more beforehand, I think, especially in the media portrayed
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Speaker 1: as you know, some like a McMurtry and one flew
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Speaker 1: with the cuckoo's nest. He's causing problems, so let's just
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Speaker 1: drag him in there, strap him down and shock him.
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Speaker 1: These days are gonna five disorderly to hold them exactly. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna go through a battery of pre treatments um
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Speaker 1: like blood test, electrocardiograms, They're gonna give you a physical
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Speaker 1: they're gonna give you a mental and they're gonna make
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Speaker 1: sure you're a good fit all the way around for
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Speaker 1: this kind of treatment. It's you know, it's not as
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was willing only back then,
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Speaker 1: but that's how it appeared to be at least, and
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Speaker 1: there was there's actually a decision by the f d
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Speaker 1: A it's an electro convulsive therapy machine is a Class
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Speaker 1: three I believe device, just the strictest and classification. And
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Speaker 1: so it was up for reclassification for a little while,
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Speaker 1: and um, they said, you know what, we're gonna stick
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Speaker 1: with this classification because it's used for electro shocks. And
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Speaker 1: a lot of people said, whoa old stuff. Yeah, you guys,
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Speaker 1: this is this is you're still looking at it under
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Speaker 1: this the medieval use from the forties and fifties. Things
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Speaker 1: have changed by then. But I have to say, I
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Speaker 1: mean it's I kind of am comforted by the fact
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Speaker 1: that you still have to go to a doctor. It's
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Speaker 1: not like the same thing as going for like laser
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Speaker 1: hair removal, like you can also get e c T
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Speaker 1: in the same office. Like it's very much medicalized, and
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Speaker 1: I think it should be because we still don't understand
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Speaker 1: what the mechanisms are. Yeah, that's true. Um, they will
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Speaker 1: pulse your brain. You know, you've got these little things
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Speaker 1: about the side of a quarter, these pads on the
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Speaker 1: side of your head, either on both sides or one side,
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Speaker 1: and they pulse you with for one millisecond, even though
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Speaker 1: I think recently even shorter like millisecond point to five
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Speaker 1: to point three seven milliseconds. Yeah, that's what they're starting
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Speaker 1: to use. And I guess that that's like, is it
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Speaker 1: for more humane purposes or works better? Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: they're finding that it works at least as well. But
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Speaker 1: there's also fewer side effects, like apparently a one millisecond
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Speaker 1: pulse of electricity is enough to like really interrupt memory, right, consolidation,
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Speaker 1: I guess, whereas like a quarter of a millisecond it's
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Speaker 1: not so bad. All right, these days, you're gonna get
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Speaker 1: it two to three times a week for three to
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Speaker 1: four weeks, is a typical treatment. Yeah, that's of course,
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Speaker 1: five or ten minutes at a time. Yeah, from the
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Speaker 1: time that they inject you with the the anesthesia till
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Speaker 1: the time you start to wake up is about ten minutes,
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Speaker 1: which I mean, like that doesn't sound like much. But
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Speaker 1: if you're doing that two to three times a week
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Speaker 1: for several weeks, all but that's a period of your
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Speaker 1: life that you have a lot of trouble remembering much of.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a picnic still, no, because you're
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Speaker 1: you are still coming out of it. You're still groggy
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Speaker 1: coming out of anesthesia. You can still be confused. What's
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Speaker 1: ironic is now that they use anesthesia, you probably look
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Speaker 1: more like the portrayal of people coming out out of
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Speaker 1: e c. T in the fifties than they did because
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Speaker 1: they were anestecized. Yeah they weren't. No, Yeah, that's what
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Speaker 1: I mean that today. That's funny. I didn't think about
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Speaker 1: it like that. UM I found one staff. I found
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Speaker 1: one stat that said it is effective in of people
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Speaker 1: these days with severe depression, whereas any depressants are only
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Speaker 1: UM effective about six in the time. Yeah, and that's
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Speaker 1: what pretty much what they're using it for is just
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Speaker 1: like major depression is pretty much the thing that they found, like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: it's really effective for this. Like when drugs don't work well,
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Speaker 1: that's usually when they're turning to it. UM is after
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Speaker 1: an adepressant, after antidepressant, hasn't worked. But this is like
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Speaker 1: a pretty significant rebound, a hundred thousand people a year
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Speaker 1: getting this and coming under wide medical and public acceptance.
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Speaker 1: UM because just as as recently in the eighties, there's
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Speaker 1: a stat in this article that says between eighty five
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Speaker 1: and two thousand two, the use of e c T
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Speaker 1: in England dropped by half, and that was because there
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Speaker 1: was a rise of anidepressants. It's like, you can take
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Speaker 1: these pills, or we can put electrodes on your brain
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Speaker 1: and zap you. What do you want to do? But
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Speaker 1: then as people were as physicians, I guess we're finding
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Speaker 1: that there were plenty people out there who don't respond
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Speaker 1: well to UM antidepressants. Shock therapy is a great alternative.
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Speaker 1: And if you're if you suffer from major depression and
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Speaker 1: you are suicidal or at risk for suicide, they may
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Speaker 1: hop right to act because the results are so much faster.
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Speaker 1: Huh that makes sense, I know. Well. One of the
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Speaker 1: interesting things they pointed out too was that UM, once
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Speaker 1: you've had e c T, if drugs were not previously
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Speaker 1: effective on you, then the antidepressants can extend the good, uh,
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Speaker 1: the good effects of the e c T longer, which
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Speaker 1: was interesting because like I guess they can work in
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Speaker 1: concert if you go e c T first, which makes
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Speaker 1: it sound like like the e c T goes in
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Speaker 1: there and like shake things loose, and then the drugs
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Speaker 1: come in and like keep their functioning going, keep the
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Speaker 1: new and improved functioning going. And we should say, like,
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Speaker 1: all this is theory. We don't no one knows specifically
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Speaker 1: what e c T does to the brain. We just
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Speaker 1: know it works. Then we should also say, no one's
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Speaker 1: exactly certain how anidipressants work right or what effects they
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Speaker 1: have on the brain. But there's a couple of theories,
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Speaker 1: um that are kind of brain based. One is that UM,
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Speaker 1: the the idea is that the electricity UM changes how
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Speaker 1: blood flows or how cells metabolize things, and UM that
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Speaker 1: leads to some sort of improved function. Yeah. The other
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Speaker 1: one is they think it might release certain chemicals that
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Speaker 1: can help out UM, and everything I've read sort of
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Speaker 1: likens it to a like a control all delete, reset,
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Speaker 1: or like some sort of reset function on your brain.
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Speaker 1: I think they likened it in here to turning the
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Speaker 1: stereo down, like there's just so much noise and this
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Speaker 1: just sort of resets a troubled brain right. Yeah, there
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Speaker 1: was a study in from Scotland in two thousand twelve
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Speaker 1: where they did brain scans of people with major depression
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Speaker 1: before ECT and after a round of e c T
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Speaker 1: and UM they found that these regions associated with mood
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Speaker 1: and emotion, um, we're less active. And so they said
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Speaker 1: that they basically altered the functional connectivity of these regions
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Speaker 1: between the regions so that the person could think more clearly,
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Speaker 1: was less distracted, and they think that that had an
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Speaker 1: effect on reducing their question well, and they tested with
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Speaker 1: Placebo's two and I think like anytime you test with
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Speaker 1: the placebo, you're gonna find that some there's gonna be
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Speaker 1: a little bit of it that works. But yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: but not always. And that's what they found here is
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Speaker 1: that some of the people that were told that they
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Speaker 1: received e c T put under didn't you think this
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Speaker 1: is kind of mean? Yeah, they would put them under
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Speaker 1: and say they did it and not do it. Um
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Speaker 1: that the people with e c T did recover UM faster,
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Speaker 1: but there were some that received the fake treatment that
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Speaker 1: did recover as well. So they think that might have
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Speaker 1: just been because they received that extra TLC from a
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Speaker 1: proper clinician and the free drugs. That's true. So um,
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Speaker 1: we should say there are risks to it. Like there's
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Speaker 1: at least two types of memory laws associated with e
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Speaker 1: C t UM. One is you have trouble making memories
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Speaker 1: around the appointment, UM, which is to be expected. That
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Speaker 1: usually fades. UM. Then there's larger member reloss that of
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Speaker 1: past events long before your ect therapy. UM. But that
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Speaker 1: also fades not in old people though, So there is
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Speaker 1: like memory laws associated with it. With zapping the brain
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Speaker 1: with electricity, who who would have thought? Um? And then uh,
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Speaker 1: you can also die. UM. One in ten thousand patients
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Speaker 1: undergoing it dies but they they say that that's how
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Speaker 1: many one in ten thousand, So every year ten people
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Speaker 1: die from from in America. But they say that that's
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Speaker 1: typically a reaction to or a result of anesthesia, like
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Speaker 1: just going on right, Yeah, it's dangerous in and of itself.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna get headaches obviously, in some muscle pain. But UM,
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it's anything quite like the
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Speaker 1: old days as far as muscle pain and stuff like that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you will still find people that poop po would
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Speaker 1: of course, but this article points out a lot of
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Speaker 1: those people are the same people that are pretty anti
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Speaker 1: psychiatry in general and stuff like this. That seems like
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Speaker 1: a bit of a leap to me. What from the
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Speaker 1: author to say that, Yeah, at least she wasn't just
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Speaker 1: now listener mail yes, and I'm gonna call this misheard
21:38
Speaker 1: song lyrics. Um, oh yeah, I can't remember which one.
21:42
Speaker 1: We asked hand Canal was yeah, okay, um, everyone has
21:47
Speaker 1: misheard sound lyrics. Excuse me while I kissed this guy,
21:51
Speaker 1: Jimi Hendrix wrapped up like a douche Hanford man, that's
21:56
Speaker 1: not what he's saying. No, it wrapped up like a deuce,
21:59
Speaker 1: like a is talking about craps. Is he craps or
22:03
Speaker 1: some other sort of gambling. I don't think so. Because
22:06
Speaker 1: Springsteen wrote the song and it was cut loose like
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Speaker 1: a deuce, and he's tung about a car engine. I've
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Speaker 1: heard gambling. Springsteen wrote it and then man for man
22:16
Speaker 1: changed it. And it's funny. Springsteen has come out and said,
22:19
Speaker 1: you know, that song didn't become popular to what it
22:21
Speaker 1: became about feminine hygiene, and then it was like a
22:24
Speaker 1: big deal. Or there's a bathroom on the right CCR
22:29
Speaker 1: instead of a bad moon. Right. I hadn't heard that one.
22:33
Speaker 1: There's a bathroom. No, No, I know the song, but
22:35
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I've never heard anybody thinking he's same
22:38
Speaker 1: as a bathroom on their right. It's fairly common. Okay,
22:41
Speaker 1: all right, so we got one from Cheryl. Hey, guys,
22:44
Speaker 1: first of all, I want to say, you're still keeping
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Speaker 1: me company on days when I get time to work
22:47
Speaker 1: on my art projects. You're still as great as ever.
22:51
Speaker 1: I was just listening to Panama Canal and I thought
22:52
Speaker 1: i'd populo a quick note to give you a grin
22:55
Speaker 1: misinterpreted lyrics where my specialty as a kid far and away,
22:59
Speaker 1: and my most famous moment was when I was five
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Speaker 1: or six listening to Madonna with my Auntie and I
23:05
Speaker 1: would sing Papa Dom bridge, I'm in trouble deep. She said.
23:12
Speaker 1: Thing is this really made sense to me and logical logically,
23:15
Speaker 1: if a bridge is made out of Papa doms, which
23:18
Speaker 1: or do you know what those are, sort of like
23:19
Speaker 1: a like a flat bread, like a crispy tortilla, sort of,
23:25
Speaker 1: it's like a crispy flatbread. Uh So, if a bridge
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Speaker 1: was made out of Papa doms, it would be bound
23:31
Speaker 1: to be weak, and if someone were to walk over it,
23:33
Speaker 1: they would it would break and they fall in the
23:35
Speaker 1: river below and hence be in trouble deep. And my
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Speaker 1: dad still teases me about that to this day. Does
23:41
Speaker 1: make sense and certain So yeah, Cheryl, Papa don Bridge,
23:46
Speaker 1: well done, that's funny. UM's mom. She's from Oking. Now
23:49
Speaker 1: she calls Madonna Papa, don't preach. How calls her that
23:52
Speaker 1: it's her name. She's like, are you listening to Papa,
23:54
Speaker 1: don't preach again? My friend Fox had the best Misshard
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Speaker 1: song lyric ever and I was racking my brain earlier
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Speaker 1: trying to remember it and I cannot. Yeah, there's some
24:05
Speaker 1: good ones out there. I'll try and I'll try and
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Speaker 1: remember and posted or something. I'll get in touch with Fox.
24:09
Speaker 1: It was a funny one nice. Do you got any
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Speaker 1: good ones? I'm like racking my brain right now and
24:14
Speaker 1: I know I've got one and I can't remember it.
24:17
Speaker 1: Do you have one? Jerry? Terry looks like she does
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Speaker 1: what Jerry just said. If you did not hear instead
24:25
Speaker 1: of voices, carry by until Tuesday. Horses scare me, keep
24:32
Speaker 1: it down, horses scare me. Don't attract any horses because
24:35
Speaker 1: they scare me. Do you know that? Technically? Uh? Until
24:38
Speaker 1: Tuesday was the first band I ever saw alive at
24:41
Speaker 1: my first concert, Hall of Notes at the University of
24:45
Speaker 1: Toledo Colosseum. They opened up on Yeah, Until Tuesday opened
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Speaker 1: up nice. Well. I never really thought about that because
24:52
Speaker 1: I always say, oh, my first concert was Cheap Trick. Yeah,
24:55
Speaker 1: I don't say it was John Waite who opened up
24:57
Speaker 1: for Cheap Track. Was it really John White? Yeah? Man,
24:59
Speaker 1: I've to love to see that one. And those those
25:01
Speaker 1: are real concerts, like I went to Kenny Rodgers and
25:03
Speaker 1: stuff when I was a kid, and people like Cooney
25:06
Speaker 1: Rodgers is real. Yeah, it is about to say the
25:08
Speaker 1: same thing. I meant concerts that my family didn't drag
25:11
Speaker 1: me too, got that I paid my own money for it.
25:13
Speaker 1: And where I smelled marijuana for the first time, like
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Speaker 1: a real concert. I didn't smell any marijuana at the
25:19
Speaker 1: Hall of Notes concert. Oh, I did a cheap drag.
25:21
Speaker 1: I was like, what is that. I'm sure I've never
25:24
Speaker 1: smelled that before in my life. Cheap Trick, And everyone
25:27
Speaker 1: around me said that is the devil's smell. Stay away. Yeah,
25:33
Speaker 1: and you did good going, Chuckers. Uh Is that it?
25:38
Speaker 1: That is it? Thanks to Cheryl for um kicking off
25:41
Speaker 1: a pretty great little chap. You should get youmy's mom
25:43
Speaker 1: to call her Papa down Bridge now. Yeah, see you
25:46
Speaker 1: can't get that done. Hey listening to Papa don Bridge. Yeah, say,
25:48
Speaker 1: that's the papa don preachess Papa doan bridge? Uh what
25:52
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