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1/27/26: US Dollar Crash, Zionist TikTok Censorship, Bibi Blocks Gaza Reconstruction · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 3: dot com. Turning now to the dollar, there's some major
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Speaker 3: movement in the US economy with major geopolitical implications. Go
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Speaker 3: and put this up here on the screen. From the
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Speaker 3: financial time, it's going to read a little bit about this.
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Speaker 3: The dollar sinks to a four month low as gold
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Speaker 3: soores past five thousand dollars in the yen leap, So
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of stuff kind of going on behind
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Speaker 3: the scenes. The simultaneous spike in the price of gold
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Speaker 3: to five thousand dollars an ounce and the dollars sinking
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Speaker 3: to a low combined with some of the things that
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Speaker 3: are happening in the Japanese markets. Nobody is fully understanding exactly,
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Speaker 3: but I'll just read from what the general consensus on
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Speaker 3: Wall Street they say. The dollar, analyst said, is suffering
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Speaker 3: from the concerns over a potential government shutdown down point
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Speaker 3: six percent on Monday against a broader group of major currencies,
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Speaker 3: extending losses sparks by the Greenland crisis of last week.
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Speaker 3: US risks pushed investors out of the dollar and they
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Speaker 3: sought safety and precious metals, sending gold to an all
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Speaker 3: time high, and the surge in yen has come as
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Speaker 3: traders speculate that the US and Japan could be lining
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Speaker 3: up their first coordinated intervention in currency since the G
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Speaker 3: seven acted to week in it after the twenty eleven earthquake.
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Speaker 3: So that's kind of explains the broader picture for all
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Speaker 3: of those things. However, if you put D one b guys,
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Speaker 3: the next one up there on the screen for some
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Speaker 3: of the implications. Gold and silver also showed you some interesting,
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Speaker 3: you know, reversals that happened at the end of the day.
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Speaker 3: So it's all just very strange, and I think that
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Speaker 3: the volatility is broadly just part of the instability right
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Speaker 3: now in the global system. So if you put the
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Speaker 3: next one up there on the screen, just to look
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Speaker 3: at the several currencies all rising against the US dollar,
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Speaker 3: what you see is all of these different currencies that
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Speaker 3: have been rising against the dollar at various different percentages.
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Speaker 3: And I think that this is a direct consequence really
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Speaker 3: of a several factors. So instability in our current fiscal system.
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Speaker 3: Right so, we have a partial government shutdown which is
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Speaker 3: now looming, Greenland which had tariff risk. You know, we
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Speaker 3: didn't even get this in the show. I don't know
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Speaker 3: if you saw this. Trump actually raised the tariffs from
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Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty five percent on South Korea just yesterday. Again,
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Speaker 3: huge eurobias in our press. Everyone seems to forget South Korea,
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Speaker 3: massively important trading partner to the United States. I don't
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Speaker 3: even think it got a single major headline in any
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Speaker 3: of the newspapers. We're talking about a huge economy with
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Speaker 3: huge levels of bilateral trade between the United States. Take
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Speaker 3: a look at the cars that are out there on
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Speaker 3: the road, not to mention Samsung and all of these
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Speaker 3: other companies with huge footprints here in the US. That
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Speaker 3: is in my opinion, like way more of an earthquake
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Speaker 3: than Greenland or any of these.
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Speaker 1: Again, never deserves the attention that it gets.
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Speaker 3: But you put that all together, you've got the shutdown,
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Speaker 3: you've got Greenland, general instability.
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Speaker 1: Here.
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Speaker 3: For the US, it's trading, really questions about the US
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Speaker 3: and its word for trading relationships. That's what's going to
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Speaker 3: swing your currency. And remember currency linking with the bond markets,
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Speaker 3: those couple of things all together have the potential always
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Speaker 3: to just slip you in not a full blown crisis,
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Speaker 3: but it can just always lead to problems for debt,
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Speaker 3: for our own fiscal picture. And we're seeing all of
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Speaker 3: that in the context also of a slowing US economy
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Speaker 3: in terms of what.
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Speaker 1: We have at home.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, I think these are all signs
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Speaker 2: of a reordering of not only the global financial system,
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Speaker 2: but the global system overall. I mean, it's always been
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Speaker 2: the US dollar treasury bonds. This was like the flight
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Speaker 2: to safety when things were precarious. This is where investors
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Speaker 2: and central banks where they would where they would go.
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Speaker 2: And now instead of that, you see hard metals. You
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Speaker 2: see gold and silver, which are increasingly becoming the flight
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Speaker 2: to safety instead of the US dollar and Treasury bonds.
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Speaker 2: I saw a chart that said that, you know, central
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Speaker 2: banks around the world are holding lower and lower amounts
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Speaker 2: of US dollars as you know reserves, which again is
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Speaker 2: this sort of like slow but steady shift away from
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Speaker 2: the US as the central bulwark of the global economy
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Speaker 2: and global financial system. Now, none of this happens overnight.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that like d dollarization is happening tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: or that this is going to be a quicker, instantaneous thing.
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Speaker 2: But these countries, aided by the brazenness and you know,
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Speaker 2: wild maneuvering of Trump, have realized that the writing is
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Speaker 2: on the wall and the old system is no more,
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Speaker 2: and that they need to put plan and protect themselves
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Speaker 2: for the future. So I think that's you know, as
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Speaker 2: you look at these movements in the market, which are
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Speaker 2: sort of slow and steady over time and do have
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Speaker 2: some reversals, like we saw gold and silver reverse again,
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Speaker 2: but the overall trend in the Trump administration has been
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Speaker 2: for those precious metals to continue to spike and hit
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Speaker 2: new and new and new record highs.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just gold is one of those
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Speaker 3: where generally you can always say when it's high, things
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Speaker 3: are usually not good. Like it's flight from something. Let's
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Speaker 3: go to the next one. Please, Mac, this is D three.
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Speaker 3: This is something I always keep my eye on, and
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Speaker 3: this was always a big sign of economic problems. Under
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Speaker 3: the Obama administration, the US long term unemployment rate has
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Speaker 3: hit a four year high. So one of the big
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Speaker 3: arguments for the nerds out there who are watching the
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Speaker 3: twenty twelve Mit Romney debate, there was this moment where
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Speaker 3: Romney and Obama were arguing about the unemployment rate. And
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Speaker 3: this is something that Romney very clumsily was not able
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Speaker 3: to hit home. But I have always thought was a
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Speaker 3: real pricker to some of the economic dissatisfaction from twenty
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Speaker 3: twelve to twenty sixteen. It's this long term unemployment rate,
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Speaker 3: where what it means is that people who are unemployed
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Speaker 3: are taking longer to find new jobs than at any
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Speaker 3: point in the last four years, and that they're staying
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Speaker 3: unemployed longer and longer. So it says it now takes
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Speaker 3: an average of more than eleven weeks for an unemployed
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Speaker 3: person in the US to find a new job. That
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Speaker 3: is the longest since twenty twenty one. During the entire
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Speaker 3: COVID insanity when a bunch of people were let go
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Speaker 3: from their jobs as a result of the lockdowns. Some
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Speaker 3: twenty six percent of seven point five million unemployed actively
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Speaker 3: searching for work have been looking for more than six months.
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Speaker 3: So this is a huge problem. Because you've got unemployment insurance,
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Speaker 3: it doesn't last nearly as long. They say that it
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Speaker 3: sees households under significant stress. People have emergency savings, can
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Speaker 3: stretch them a little bit, but the longer you do,
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Speaker 3: the more likely it is that you don't have the
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Speaker 3: savings to cover very basic bills. Bad for households, bad
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Speaker 3: for the economy, pushes people into debt. Outside of the pandemic,
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Speaker 3: we are now at the highest rate that we have
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Speaker 3: seen in a decade, and it is heading in the
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Speaker 3: wrong direction. And these, by the way, are from the
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Speaker 3: official BLS statistics, so you can see is significant actually increase.
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Speaker 3: One thing I also underestimated was that the government shutdown
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Speaker 3: actually appears to have ticked things up. Same things have
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Speaker 3: started to tick up after the government shutdown. Can't pinpoint
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Speaker 3: exactly why, but you know, I mean a lot. Forty
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Speaker 3: what several million people went forty one days without a paycheck.
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Speaker 1: If some contractors.
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Speaker 3: I think I forget exactly what the rules are, but
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Speaker 3: I know some contractors in some cases are not entils
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Speaker 3: a backpay that could have been It could have caused
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Speaker 3: like some immediate retrench but combined with the tariff policy
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Speaker 3: shut you know people. Again, there's multi factorial reasons why
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Speaker 3: all of these things out, but in general, it's just
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Speaker 3: not a number that you want to see. And this
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Speaker 3: is where the dollar and the Federal Reserve also comes
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Speaker 3: into play and interest rates, because that's what matters, you know,
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Speaker 3: of juicing the economy if you do want to try
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Speaker 3: and do so.
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Speaker 2: No longer that a person is unemployed, the more difficult
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Speaker 2: it is for them to get back in the job market.
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Speaker 2: You know, their skills atrophy. Employers who are evaluating resumes
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Speaker 2: think that there's something wrong with you and decide to
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Speaker 2: go with someone who you know is just switching jobs
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Speaker 2: or who is new out of college. I mean, that's
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Speaker 2: the other thing we've been tracking though, is college grads
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Speaker 2: really particularly struggling New college grads particularly struggling. I think
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Speaker 2: the introduction of AI is part of that, even though
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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like, you know, the AI promise hasn't
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Speaker 2: really fully come to fruition. But I think companies are
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Speaker 2: kind of putting things on hold to see if they
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Speaker 2: can get away with fewer workers and substituting in AI
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Speaker 2: and shifting more burden onto the workforce that they already have.
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Speaker 2: They're sort of testing the waters for what they can
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Speaker 2: get away with. And we've also seen an economy which
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Speaker 2: this has been you know, the trend over decades. There's
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Speaker 2: numbers coming out this morning where they're earnings of this
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Speaker 2: company and that company look pretty strong. But those top
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Speaker 2: line number for the companies and the titans of industry
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Speaker 2: and the Oligarch class or the Epstein classes Rocana calls them,
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Speaker 2: none of that is trickling down to benefit your average American.
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Speaker 2: It is largely disconnected from the experience of the average person. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, it used to be that there was more
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Speaker 2: of a connection between Okay, there's a productivity increase, the
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Speaker 2: corporate giants are doing well, that means the workers are
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Speaker 2: going to do better. That relationship has totally severed, so
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Speaker 2: that you know, if you have the company overall doing well,
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Speaker 2: it buy and large doesn't really matter for the you know,
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Speaker 2: your average worker out there. So that's one of the
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Speaker 2: disconnects that's going on in the economy right now, and
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Speaker 2: why you have such a tale of you know, two
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Speaker 2: realities and the asset owning class versus the rest of
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Speaker 2: everybody else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so obvious.
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Speaker 3: And you know the fact that the political class just
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Speaker 3: never waits up. It's like, how could you have an
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Speaker 3: economic backlash election to Joe Biden when the s and
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Speaker 3: P was up by eighty percent or whatever over the
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Speaker 3: course of his presidency, Because it's the point is is
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Speaker 3: that those gains do not largely go to the average
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Speaker 3: income and or household. So, for example, let's put this
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Speaker 3: how this healthcare one up there. This is a very
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Speaker 3: important story. They say, health insurance is now more expensive
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Speaker 3: than the mortgage for these Americans. Monthly health insurance bills
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Speaker 3: are rocketing higher for middle income earners who rely on Obamacare.
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Speaker 3: So they say, millions of Americans starting to see their
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Speaker 3: monthly health insurance bills rise. Expanded subsidies have now gone
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Speaker 3: they zero point two. For example, forty seven year old
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Speaker 3: couple who paid two hundred and fifty five dollars a
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Speaker 3: month last year for a low end ACA plan. Late
10:34
Speaker 3: last year they or learned their bill we'd be going
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Speaker 3: up to twenty one hundred and fifty five a sum,
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Speaker 3: nearly triple their monthly mortgage payment of seven to sixty.
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Speaker 3: First of all, I need to meet these people and
10:43
Speaker 3: find out how they got a seven hundred and sixty
10:45
Speaker 3: dollars mortgage. But thir you know, second, you could say
10:48
Speaker 3: a two thousand dollars bill when you previously paid two
10:52
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty five is extraordinary. It's crazy, right, And
10:56
Speaker 3: so the general principle is, regardless whether it's more than
10:59
Speaker 3: your mortgage or not, two thousand dollars a month, no
11:02
Speaker 3: matter what income level you are at, is insane for healthcare,
11:06
Speaker 3: specifically for two forty seven year olds. You know, you
11:08
Speaker 3: guys know, I don't have a ton of sympathy for
11:10
Speaker 3: boomers who are like early retirees and rich, but that's
11:13
Speaker 3: not really the case. Whenever we look at to probably
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Speaker 3: self employed people, probably people like you and I, you know,
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Speaker 3: maybe small business something like that, which have to rely
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Speaker 3: on the open exchanges.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, you guide around what we pay
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Speaker 2: for our family.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there you go, right, and you have multiple
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Speaker 3: you have multiple children, and I think for me, you know,
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Speaker 3: I've been discovered I know, I've read the stories, but
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Speaker 3: to experience it yourself. This is currently so I talked about.
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Speaker 3: You know, my daughter had to brief stare stay in
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Speaker 3: the nick you immediately after birth. I did not receive
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Speaker 3: a bill this entire time, and my insurance company gave
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Speaker 3: me an explanation of benefits saying, you don't you owe
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Speaker 3: zero for because I hit my deductible, my very high
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Speaker 3: fourteen five hundred dollars deductible. And then this, you know,
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Speaker 3: eight nine months later, I just got a bill from
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Speaker 3: them for five thousand dollars and I was like what.
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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't you know? And so now
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Speaker 3: this is the hidden productivity cost. I know the bill
12:09
Speaker 3: is wrong, the insurance company is not going to dispute.
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Speaker 1: It on my behalf. I have to call.
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Speaker 3: And to be like, oh you're wrong and you need
12:17
Speaker 3: to read and they're like, well you're gonna have to
12:18
Speaker 3: do a three way call.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just the the loss.
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty confident I'm not gonna have to pay anything.
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Speaker 1: I really am.
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Speaker 3: But this is opportunity costs of time, mental energy, you know,
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Speaker 3: like hostile insurance agents and hospital people who do not
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Speaker 3: care about you at all, and who are like, well,
12:38
Speaker 3: you know, that's what the bill says, and I'm like, well,
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Speaker 3: that's not what the insurance company says, right, And then anyway,
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Speaker 3: I'm just pointing out though that this is for this
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Speaker 3: is just on a micro level, like in terms of
12:49
Speaker 3: how insane this type of system is.
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Speaker 1: And yes, I know, it's just.
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Speaker 3: It's just my first foray, I've never had to deal
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Speaker 3: with something like this before, but I've read about many
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Speaker 3: of these types of stories, and yeah, it can take.
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Speaker 3: It can literally suck hours of your life dealing with
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Speaker 3: this type of nonsense.
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Speaker 2: The whole purpose of I know yours is a little
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Speaker 2: bit different because the bill is coming from the hospital, right,
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Speaker 2: and so the problem is actually with them. But I mean,
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Speaker 2: the whole purpose of health insurance companies is to deny
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Speaker 2: as much as much payment as they can and make
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Speaker 2: you on the hook for as much as they possibly can.
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Speaker 2: Like that's how they turn a profit. And it genuinely,
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Speaker 2: having never lived in any country other than the US,
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Speaker 2: it genuinely seems miraculous to me that there are so
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Speaker 2: many other countries around the world where you don't have
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Speaker 2: this absolute nightmare where you literally walk in and get
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Speaker 2: care and walk out, there's no here. Where's your health
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Speaker 2: insurance card? Let me call you're not covered. Let me
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Speaker 2: send them the bill. No, you get the bill. No
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Speaker 2: you didn't meet your DEDUCTI but like, none of that.
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Speaker 2: You just get care and then you leave. That is
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Speaker 2: totally incomprehensible to me. It seems so miraculous that that
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Speaker 2: is the case, and yet that is the case in
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Speaker 2: every other developed country in the entire world. And think
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Speaker 2: of all the distortions. I mean, obviously the cost burden
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Speaker 2: on people is unbelievable, but then it creates all sorts
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Speaker 2: of weird distortions where maybe someone who would otherwise start
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Speaker 2: a company and be an entrepreneur and be able to,
14:16
Speaker 2: you know, add something additional to the economy, they can't
14:19
Speaker 2: leave their job because they need that healthcare. Let's put
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Speaker 2: this last one up on the screen, because this is
14:24
Speaker 2: a mystery to me and one that we have to
14:26
Speaker 2: continue to track. In terms of the economy. You had
14:29
Speaker 2: a record number of home purchased cancelations in December, so
14:35
Speaker 2: people who you know, they thought they had a deal,
14:39
Speaker 2: they signed a contract and then they end up backing
14:41
Speaker 2: out of it, reached a record high. And I genuinely
14:47
Speaker 2: don't know what that's all about. My best guess is
14:50
Speaker 2: that just people get kind of spooked, like they're just
14:52
Speaker 2: not feeling super secure about their financial situation. They're not
14:56
Speaker 2: you know, there was a whole terror of conversation going on.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what led to this, but it doesn't
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Speaker 2: seem like a good sign saga of how people are
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Speaker 2: feeling about the economy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I tried to figure it out too. I couldn't find
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Speaker 3: a single article that actually broke any of it down.
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Speaker 3: So total mystery. Probably, like you said, uncertainty and just
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Speaker 3: general feeling of like, hey, now's not a good time.
15:21
Speaker 3: Maybe you know, maybe interest rate changed something like that.
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Speaker 1: I really have no idea, but yeah, it is. I
15:27
Speaker 1: gotta keep it eye on that.
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Speaker 2: I looked at the mortgage rates and there was not
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Speaker 2: an obvious it was like six, you know, for thirty
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Speaker 2: year mortgage. It was like in the sixes, and there
15:36
Speaker 2: was no obvious like, oh, they're really going up fast
15:38
Speaker 2: or they're really going down fast, and maybe we wait
15:40
Speaker 2: a little bit and secure about a rate. It was
15:43
Speaker 2: just kind of like, you know, up and down somewhere
15:45
Speaker 2: in the sixes the whole time. So there's not an
15:47
Speaker 2: obvious story to be told from the interest rates. But
15:50
Speaker 2: you know something that's clearly going on there.
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Speaker 3: It hasn't changed much. I mean, it's just dipping up
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Speaker 3: and down. Yeah, I'm looking at the general trend. There's
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Speaker 3: been some shift, but nothing nothing world change the last.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing particularly noteworthy.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Well, if you're a housing specialist, let us know, leave
16:06
Speaker 3: a comment and tell us what happened. Okay, well, let's
16:08
Speaker 3: go to the next one.
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Speaker 2: So guys, as of last week, the TikTok Usa takeover
16:16
Speaker 2: is official, and many people are saying they long for
16:18
Speaker 2: the freedom of expression that we received under the Chinese
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Speaker 2: Commus Party running of TikTok There have been a lot
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Speaker 2: of problems. Now, I'll just say up front, TikTok is
16:28
Speaker 2: saying that this all sager has to do with some
16:30
Speaker 2: sort of power outage at a data center, which I
16:34
Speaker 2: think when we give you the details here of the
16:37
Speaker 2: type of content that people are struggling to get circulating,
16:41
Speaker 2: you're going to be understandably skeptical about their explanations here.
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Speaker 2: So this is one of the wildest one. Let's put
16:48
Speaker 2: this up on the screen and I've tested this personally.
16:50
Speaker 2: I had some friends and family who tested this as well.
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Speaker 2: If you try to send a direct message that has
16:59
Speaker 2: the word Epstein in it, they will not let you
17:03
Speaker 2: send the word Epstein or any other content that includes Epstein.
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Speaker 2: And so you can see that up on the screen.
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Speaker 2: This is what you get. This is the exact same
17:11
Speaker 2: thing that happened when I tried it as well. You
17:13
Speaker 2: get this little exclamation point, and then it tells you
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Speaker 2: that this is like a potential violation of community standards
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Speaker 2: and that they're worried about the safety of their community.
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Speaker 2: So that one is for sure. There have also been
17:28
Speaker 2: a mac if you go ahead and jump forward to
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Speaker 2: the to E four some of the reporting that we're
17:35
Speaker 2: getting from different users about the way that their anti
17:38
Speaker 2: ice posts in particular are being completely suppressed. So you
17:44
Speaker 2: have the Democrats here. Dropsite has seen their reporting on
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Speaker 2: various topics be suppressed. Jessica Burbank is another one who
17:52
Speaker 2: has seen her TikTok views just absolutely fall off a cliff.
17:56
Speaker 2: I know that I've had it. Ladies have experienced this
17:59
Speaker 2: as well, and it seems if we put E five
18:02
Speaker 2: up on the screen, it seems specifically to be tied
18:06
Speaker 2: to any sort of post about the shooting of Alex
18:10
Speaker 2: Pretty in Minneapolis. Any criticism of ice, sort of broader
18:14
Speaker 2: Trump criticism as well, seems to be not getting pushed
18:18
Speaker 2: into the algorithm whatsoever, So that that type of content
18:22
Speaker 2: from creators with large followings is getting next to no
18:26
Speaker 2: views when they posted. So, as I said before, I
18:30
Speaker 2: can put E three up on the screen. TikTok is
18:32
Speaker 2: claiming this has to do with a power outage. You know,
18:37
Speaker 2: I'm not sager a technical wizard here, So perhaps there
18:41
Speaker 2: is some way in which a power outage magically creates,
18:45
Speaker 2: you know, algorithmic suppression of content that just happens to
18:49
Speaker 2: be unfavorable in the eyes of the new you know,
18:52
Speaker 2: Ellison backed ownership. Perhaps there is some technical explanation for this,
18:57
Speaker 2: but this seems pretty hard to believe given any specific
19:00
Speaker 2: things that are being blocked, suppressed and censored.
19:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't get it. So here's the statement.
19:05
Speaker 3: They say A suffered a cascading system's failure that caused
19:10
Speaker 3: multiple bugs, such as creators having difficult posting new video
19:14
Speaker 3: seeing content showing zero views marked a rocket. But how
19:17
Speaker 3: would that explain the DM's issue. I did see right.
19:22
Speaker 3: The Epstein thing is I mean, that's the craziest one.
19:24
Speaker 3: I'm glad we said, Tony, but the I mean, I
19:26
Speaker 3: did see some NFL creators who were telling me that
19:29
Speaker 3: they had the same problem with zero views. So it
19:31
Speaker 3: is possible, you know, that the zero view thing. If
19:34
Speaker 3: I had to guess, what has happened is that they've
19:37
Speaker 3: had a rollout of their so called like political community guidelines,
19:42
Speaker 3: and that it's just clunky in terms of the way
19:45
Speaker 3: that they're rolling out their code under under like the
19:48
Speaker 3: new guidelines or under the new ownership, and they're still
19:51
Speaker 3: trying to figure out like de ranking and all of that,
19:54
Speaker 3: or and or how to rank you know, such content
19:57
Speaker 3: under the new regime.
19:58
Speaker 1: That seems to me because.
20:00
Speaker 3: Notice they're saying the zero views thing was a data center,
20:05
Speaker 3: that's believable.
20:06
Speaker 1: Like I said, with the NFL stuff, what's not.
20:09
Speaker 3: Believable to me is the DMS and the searchability some
20:13
Speaker 3: of the stuff that we've seen previously, especially when we
20:16
Speaker 3: know that the you know, the you have very like
20:20
Speaker 3: a lot in Zionists, like literally who is in charge
20:23
Speaker 3: now of the platform. We've had multiple people who have
20:25
Speaker 3: come out and have talked about it. Can we play
20:28
Speaker 3: that SOT? Actually, yeah, here. This is a E two
20:31
Speaker 3: about the critis of Zionism. Let's go ahead and queue
20:35
Speaker 3: this up, just to show you what some of the
20:37
Speaker 3: new standards on the platform are going to look like.
20:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so this is from TikTok's CEO. This is
20:43
Speaker 2: an older clip, but just to give you a sense
20:45
Speaker 2: of some of the codification of their new hate speech
20:49
Speaker 2: rules and the way they're thinking about these things.
20:51
Speaker 4: We made a change to designate the use of the
20:54
Speaker 4: term Zionist as a proxy for a protected attribute as
20:58
Speaker 4: hate speech. So if somebody were to use zionist, of
21:01
Speaker 4: course you can use it in the sense of you're
21:04
Speaker 4: a proud Zionist, but if you're using it in the
21:06
Speaker 4: context of degrading somebody, calling somebody a Zionist as a
21:12
Speaker 4: dirty name, then that gets designated as hate speech to
21:17
Speaker 4: be moderated against. Over the course of twenty twenty four,
21:20
Speaker 4: we tripled the amount of accounts that we were banning
21:23
Speaker 4: for hateful activity. We also have I think over two
21:26
Speaker 4: dozen Jewish organizations that are constantly feeding US intelligence and
21:31
Speaker 4: information when they spot violative trends. There is no finish line.
21:35
Speaker 4: There's no finish line to moderating hate speech. Identifying hateful trends,
21:41
Speaker 4: trying to keep the platform safe. There's no such thing
21:44
Speaker 4: as an endgame.
21:46
Speaker 2: No such thing as an endgame game.
21:49
Speaker 1: Well, keep in mind this kind of fished with the
21:51
Speaker 1: ADL comments.
21:52
Speaker 3: Remember about the AI lawyers and how they have an
21:54
Speaker 3: army of AI warriors who are auto sending stuff to Lore.
21:58
Speaker 3: I mean, this is very very scary stuff. I mean, look, yes,
22:01
Speaker 3: the war you know, it's winding down and some of
22:04
Speaker 3: the content, But like the point is that this machine
22:06
Speaker 3: being put into place can just be deployed for basically anything,
22:10
Speaker 3: and they're gonna use, you know, their private guidelines. I
22:12
Speaker 3: really think this is the time. I think I've seen
22:15
Speaker 3: some Democrats talk about this. Didn't Gavin Newsom say that
22:18
Speaker 3: he was going to announce investigation and everyone's concerned, you know,
22:21
Speaker 3: you're like, you're talking about the dem creators and all that.
22:23
Speaker 3: The thing is is that this has now been going
22:26
Speaker 3: on for ten years, you know, ever since twenty sixteen
22:31
Speaker 3: and Facebook, and it's just we have to like put
22:34
Speaker 3: this to bed, especially TikTok is now under US ownership.
22:38
Speaker 3: We need transparent guidelines that talk specifically about moderation, published
22:45
Speaker 3: standards and then the public has to be able to
22:48
Speaker 3: weigh in. I've talked previously, I'm curious for a review.
22:51
Speaker 3: I think we should just pass to take it off
22:53
Speaker 3: of their plate and just be like, look from now on,
22:56
Speaker 3: if it's consistent with the First Amendment, it's up there.
22:58
Speaker 3: And then in terms of ranking and all of that.
23:01
Speaker 3: For advertising purposes, you may have the ability, you know,
23:04
Speaker 3: to have some sort of tweak. But even then it
23:06
Speaker 3: gets sketchy because as you and I have seen, you know,
23:09
Speaker 3: on YouTube, like if you get a video that's demonetized
23:12
Speaker 3: for ad purposes, it may still have tremendous news value,
23:16
Speaker 3: doesn't get a lot of use, or something just doesn't
23:18
Speaker 3: appear to pop off.
23:19
Speaker 1: But I think at this point.
23:20
Speaker 3: We need national legislation just period, end of story, that
23:24
Speaker 3: sets like standards.
23:25
Speaker 1: Otherwise this is what we're going to get.
23:26
Speaker 3: All you have elon on the one hand, you know,
23:29
Speaker 3: Grock putting like girls in bikinis, and then you've got
23:32
Speaker 3: this nonsense like literally is it cannot no literal girls
23:36
Speaker 3: like actual children?
23:38
Speaker 1: Right, we didn't spend enough time on that. I got
23:40
Speaker 1: lost in the sauce.
23:41
Speaker 3: But yeah, like the literal girl like, we need serious
23:44
Speaker 3: federal guidelines and legislation from AI and to social media.
23:48
Speaker 3: Like my new cause to lab for AI is I
23:51
Speaker 3: think that anything AI picture generation should be just be
23:55
Speaker 3: banned for people, like for anyone who's alive. I just
23:58
Speaker 3: think there's nothing good that can come of it, all
24:00
Speaker 3: of these image renderers. Look, it's sometimes fun for thumbnails
24:03
Speaker 3: and all that, but like, no, the societal cost and
24:06
Speaker 3: the destruction and the ability to trust, like any video
24:09
Speaker 3: that you see, it's too much.
24:10
Speaker 1: Same here, it's which TikTok.
24:12
Speaker 3: We need published benefits like or sorry published, we need
24:15
Speaker 3: published rules.
24:16
Speaker 1: This is what we do.
24:17
Speaker 3: This is how we dem rank. This is exactly how
24:19
Speaker 3: much it's gonna go down. That's the very least and
24:21
Speaker 3: in a macro level, which should just pass like anything
24:23
Speaker 3: consistent with the First Amendment. It's good to go, period,
24:26
Speaker 3: end of story. The government's taking it off your plate.
24:28
Speaker 3: This is how it has to be because we can't
24:30
Speaker 3: have this. We're living under literal oligarchical fighting control depending
24:33
Speaker 3: on who is in power and who who you know,
24:36
Speaker 3: depends and tends to have like the ear of the
24:40
Speaker 3: ear of the White House, like the bid demonstration, which
24:43
Speaker 3: is too much.
24:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean there's that definitely needs to happen.
24:47
Speaker 2: You got to break up. I mean, it's just you
24:48
Speaker 2: can't the Ellison family how many media properties they control
24:52
Speaker 2: at this point, and when you have billionaires for whom
24:56
Speaker 2: like you know he there are a lot of people
24:58
Speaker 2: who are leaving TikTok. Now I don't know the numbers,
25:02
Speaker 2: but they're going to this other app shout out to
25:05
Speaker 2: upscrolled as like a TikTok alternative. I'm myself downloaded and
25:08
Speaker 2: playing around with it to see what it's all about.
25:10
Speaker 2: They are degrading the experience of TikTok for a political agenda,
25:14
Speaker 2: and because he has so much money, like it almost
25:18
Speaker 2: could be like a catch and kill situation where he
25:21
Speaker 2: doesn't really care that much if the platform has the
25:24
Speaker 2: widest reach or is the most financially successful, if it
25:28
Speaker 2: is serving a political agenda, and that political agenda does
25:33
Speaker 2: debtail with their financial interests because they want to, you know,
25:37
Speaker 2: make sure Trump is happy with what's going on there
25:39
Speaker 2: so that whatever business deals they want to effectuate get
25:43
Speaker 2: you get a glide path through this administration. And so
25:47
Speaker 2: those are the kind of dynamics that are controlling these platforms,
25:51
Speaker 2: not anything that's in any thought of like the public
25:54
Speaker 2: interest or what's appropriate under a speech or fort Amendment
25:58
Speaker 2: standard that doesn't even enter into the calculation whatsoever. So
26:03
Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean, I think they genuinely don't care
26:07
Speaker 2: that much whether TikTok is successful as a platform, so
26:10
Speaker 2: long as it is serving the ideological interests of ZIONUS
26:15
Speaker 2: and also of the Trump administration. That's what. Yeah, I mean,
26:18
Speaker 2: that's certainly what it looks like here in the early days.
26:21
Speaker 3: And like what and I can serve other ends, you know,
26:24
Speaker 3: for their business empire. Sometimes it's like it can hurt TikTok,
26:27
Speaker 3: but right now, you know, paramounts guidance needs a merger,
26:29
Speaker 3: acquisition or whatever to go through. So it's everything is
26:32
Speaker 3: like an interconnected web.
26:33
Speaker 2: Completely and TikTok is probably nothing profit wise compared to
26:37
Speaker 2: that broader enterprise. Like that is the bigger picture, which
26:40
Speaker 2: is why corporate consolidation and corporate ownership of all of
26:44
Speaker 2: these media entities is such an incredible, you know issue,
26:48
Speaker 2: and such a pernicious issue as well. So I don't know,
26:52
Speaker 2: it's certainly looking like TikTok is not going to be
26:55
Speaker 2: the same at least for political content, and they may
26:57
Speaker 2: just turn it into like I saw someone saying their
26:59
Speaker 2: effect to turning it into threads where political content is
27:03
Speaker 2: de ranked, where it's essentially, you know, pushed to the
27:05
Speaker 2: sidelines in favor of just like you know, the most
27:09
Speaker 2: anadyne like sports, cooking things, all the money neutral and safe.
27:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where all the money is made. Remember, you
27:15
Speaker 3: know there are channels that do one probably one fifty
27:19
Speaker 3: amount of views that you and I will get, who
27:21
Speaker 3: will make probably either the same or even sometimes more
27:24
Speaker 3: money because they cover very blase thing and the advertisers
27:27
Speaker 3: don't want to be connected. Like advertisers don't like political content.
27:30
Speaker 3: They never have unfortunately, can't kill the democratic want of
27:34
Speaker 3: a lot of people to like want to know what
27:36
Speaker 3: the hell is going on, And so it's always been inconsistent. YouTube,
27:39
Speaker 3: all these other platforms they would kill political content if
27:42
Speaker 3: they could, or like in their ideal world, they don't
27:45
Speaker 3: want it there.
27:45
Speaker 1: It's really not.
27:46
Speaker 3: It's much more a pain in the ass for them
27:48
Speaker 3: than it is in terms of a money maker. And yeah,
27:51
Speaker 3: I think it's really unfortunate. And this is why again
27:53
Speaker 3: I think we need federal legislation. People need to come
27:56
Speaker 3: in set a clear standard and just be like this
27:58
Speaker 3: is it this is how we go from here on out,
28:00
Speaker 3: because every four years, I mean watching Zuckerberg go from
28:03
Speaker 3: you know, from being a Biden suck up to standing
28:06
Speaker 3: behind Trump at the inauguration and then now here with
28:09
Speaker 3: the TikTok. It's just too much to constantly be swinging
28:13
Speaker 3: and like sucking up to the people in power, from
28:15
Speaker 3: COVID censorship to denouncing it.
28:17
Speaker 1: It's just like it's been such a.
28:19
Speaker 3: Whirlwind over the last ten years that at the point
28:21
Speaker 3: I'm like, just this needs to be a settled question.
28:23
Speaker 3: We need to put down something and just go from there.
28:26
Speaker 3: And like you said, too, these people can't be allowed
28:28
Speaker 3: to control everything because there's danger.
28:30
Speaker 1: There's danger to it for us as.
28:32
Speaker 3: Consumers, for you in terms of the information that you're
28:36
Speaker 3: literally getting there. And then also yeah, at a major
28:40
Speaker 3: like more democratic question, this is just basic antitrust law.
28:44
Speaker 3: It just needs to go well.
28:45
Speaker 2: And the last thing I'll say is just really important
28:47
Speaker 2: to keep in mind why this, you know, ownership ban
28:51
Speaker 2: and shift to the US leadership of the company, why
28:54
Speaker 2: it happens, and you know, the rationale that actually pushed
28:59
Speaker 2: this over the finish line was all about Palestine. You know,
29:02
Speaker 2: there may have been some other ideas to begin with,
29:04
Speaker 2: and people who wanted it, like yourself, Soger, for different
29:07
Speaker 2: reasons for years. But yeah, but the stated reason people
29:11
Speaker 2: like Mitt Romney said this outright, that this actually got
29:14
Speaker 2: over the finish line under a democratic administration, let's keep
29:18
Speaker 2: in mind, was because they didn't like that people were
29:21
Speaker 2: speaking out with regard to the genocide in Gasa. They
29:25
Speaker 2: did not like the pro Palestine sentiment. Remember Nikki Haley
29:30
Speaker 2: talking about like that for every minute people spend on TikTok,
29:33
Speaker 2: they become thirty percent more anti Semitic or whatever like
29:36
Speaker 2: that is actually the argument that led to this, And
29:40
Speaker 2: so no one should be surprised by the you know,
29:43
Speaker 2: by the consequences that we are seeing and by the
29:46
Speaker 2: crackdown on you know, a variety of types of political speech.
29:51
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens when they get their power
29:53
Speaker 2: out and short figured out and what the you know,
29:56
Speaker 2: what the state of TikTok is after they get all
29:59
Speaker 2: of that work out. But so far it's looking pretty grim.
30:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. All right, let's get Domic Khan standing by.
30:07
Speaker 2: All right, guys, we've got a bunch of updates for
30:09
Speaker 2: you on Gaza on the quote unquote Board of Peace
30:12
Speaker 2: on the latest with regard to neat Yahoo and Israel.
30:15
Speaker 2: And we're very fortunate to be joined this morning by
30:18
Speaker 2: the frontline humanitarian and philanthropists and also executive producer of
30:22
Speaker 2: the Voice of Hindra John the Academy Award nominated Voice
30:25
Speaker 2: of Hindra Job Ahmed Cohn. Great to see us, her,
30:28
Speaker 2: good to see.
30:29
Speaker 1: How are you guys to see?
30:31
Speaker 2: Very good, very good. So Mac, if you could put
30:34
Speaker 2: this first images up on the screen, just this is
30:36
Speaker 2: what it looks like in Gaza. Now you can see
30:38
Speaker 2: just continued absolute misery, people living in these flimsy tents, winds,
30:44
Speaker 2: we've seen of course rainstorms.
30:46
Speaker 3: Uh.
30:46
Speaker 2: There's also amed beIN and you can speak to this.
30:49
Speaker 2: Israel has now blocked a huge number of international aid
30:53
Speaker 2: organizations from continuing to work in Gaza. Can you just
30:57
Speaker 2: talk to us about that piece and also what the
30:59
Speaker 2: condition on the ground are like today.
31:03
Speaker 5: The conditions are horrendous. The suffering has not been mitigated
31:06
Speaker 5: at all. You know, sure there's not twenty four hours
31:09
Speaker 5: airstrikes anymore, but it's a different kind of suffering, like
31:14
Speaker 5: a slow genocide. So people are still malnourished, people don't
31:19
Speaker 5: have homes. Ninety percent of the homes have been destroyed.
31:21
Speaker 5: People are living in tents, and the tents get destroyed
31:24
Speaker 5: by the wind, the wind and the rain, and so
31:28
Speaker 5: there's a shortage of tents and tarps, which is nuts
31:31
Speaker 5: because there are millions and millions of tents and tarps
31:36
Speaker 5: around the world sitting in warehouses. And you know, it's
31:39
Speaker 5: done by design. It's all by design sort of. The
31:43
Speaker 5: Israelis don't necessarily want everyone to die at once, but
31:46
Speaker 5: they wouldn't mind if they sort of die slowly, and
31:48
Speaker 5: that's happening. Children are still dying of hypothermia, which is crazy.
31:51
Speaker 5: There's supposedly a ceasefire. How do you let children die
31:55
Speaker 5: of hypothermia. It's a very simple thing to mitigate.
31:59
Speaker 3: There's been a develop meant with the you know, with
32:02
Speaker 3: the hostage remains. The very last remains of a hostage
32:05
Speaker 3: have now been returned. Matt, Can you just go and
32:08
Speaker 3: queue up the next part of Netanyahu speaking yesterday in
32:12
Speaker 3: the Kanesse, he said quote that the next stage is
32:15
Speaker 3: not reconstruction, it is the disarmament of Hamas and the
32:19
Speaker 3: demilitarization of the Gaza strip. We have an interest in
32:23
Speaker 3: advancing this stage, not delaying and Ahmed, how do you
32:26
Speaker 3: see this in the context of what you're saying, is
32:29
Speaker 3: this allegedly was supposed to begin some new part of
32:31
Speaker 3: the ceasefire opening up, you know, some of the pathways
32:35
Speaker 3: into Gaza. However they're saying naturally, no, we're still continuing disarmament,
32:40
Speaker 3: and that means that they're going to continue to block ede.
32:42
Speaker 1: Is that how you understand it?
32:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, it's there's nothing new. It's totally in
32:46
Speaker 5: line with the endgame that's existed since October eighth of
32:49
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, which is essentially the ethnic cleansing of Gaza,
32:54
Speaker 5: and so this is totally in line with that because
32:56
Speaker 5: they don't want, you know, people to have their homes back.
32:59
Speaker 5: They don't want the thirty six hospitals to be rebuilt.
33:01
Speaker 5: They destroyed almost all of them.
33:04
Speaker 1: You know.
33:04
Speaker 5: They don't want any way or semblance of way to
33:08
Speaker 5: you know, sort of re restart your life. So when
33:12
Speaker 5: they talk about reconstruction, we're talking about building materials. I
33:15
Speaker 5: can't get building materials and nobody can get building materials
33:18
Speaker 5: in That's why people are stuck with tents and tarbs,
33:21
Speaker 5: even if they're lucky enough to get them. So yeah,
33:24
Speaker 5: this is totally in line with what the Prime Minister
33:28
Speaker 5: has been saying, and what various members of Kinestut have
33:31
Speaker 5: been saying, and you know, ministers like Smotrich and ben Vera,
33:35
Speaker 5: they've been very clear, we want people out of we
33:38
Speaker 5: want people out of Gaza. We don't want them to
33:41
Speaker 5: restart their lives.
33:43
Speaker 2: How does this connect with Trump's whole Board of Peace thing?
33:47
Speaker 2: Kushner showed up at Davos with his whole PowerPoint presentation
33:51
Speaker 2: showing this, you know, very sort of like I don't know,
33:55
Speaker 2: Doha or Dubai looking rendering of what Gaza is going
33:59
Speaker 2: to look like after their reconstruction efforts. You've got on
34:03
Speaker 2: the board of piece, you've got characters like Kushner, You've
34:06
Speaker 2: got characters like Tony Blair. Of course, no Palestinians represented
34:10
Speaker 2: at that top level on the Gaza Board of Peace.
34:14
Speaker 2: How are you understanding what the actual plan is here?
34:19
Speaker 5: Well, you never really know until it sort of happens
34:22
Speaker 5: with these kinds of characters, right like, because it's easy
34:24
Speaker 5: to sort of say we're going to do this and
34:26
Speaker 5: we're going to do that, but until it actually happens,
34:29
Speaker 5: you never know because the Gaza, other people of Gaza,
34:31
Speaker 5: just in this century alone, have been lied to over
34:33
Speaker 5: and over and over again two thousand and five, two
34:35
Speaker 5: thousand and eight, twenty fourteen, twenty eighteen, twenty twenty one.
34:39
Speaker 5: So no one's very optimistic about some kind of bright future.
34:43
Speaker 5: And the reality is, look at the Board of Peace.
34:46
Speaker 5: I mean, none of the no member of that board
34:48
Speaker 5: of piece has ever made anyone's life better except probably
34:52
Speaker 5: their own. There are no great humanitarians there. There's nobody
34:55
Speaker 5: who's ever showed any human empathy, you know, So it's
34:59
Speaker 5: not something to be I mean, what do we have.
35:02
Speaker 5: We have a few real estate agents and finance people,
35:04
Speaker 5: basically the type of people that have suck the life
35:07
Speaker 5: out of the US economy and sort of crashed the
35:10
Speaker 5: middle class, the reason we don't have good hospitals and
35:14
Speaker 5: healthcare and infrastructure in the United States. And so these
35:17
Speaker 5: people are gonna rebuild Gaza. You know, it's it's sort
35:21
Speaker 5: of hard to believe.
35:22
Speaker 3: And while we have you you were talking to us
35:24
Speaker 3: beforehand about Sudan. The audience has taken a lot of
35:27
Speaker 3: interest in this. You're saying it's getting no international press coverage.
35:30
Speaker 3: Why don't you tell us about what you saw you
35:31
Speaker 3: were just there.
35:33
Speaker 5: Uh, the situation is horrendous. It's almost beyond belief. The
35:38
Speaker 5: suffering is next level. It's sort of reminded me I
35:42
Speaker 5: worked in Rwanda in the refugee camps and it's kind
35:46
Speaker 5: of like that. And there's no end in sight. You know,
35:50
Speaker 5: they're just theoretically a ceasefire, but that doesn't exist.
35:56
Speaker 2: Incredible And last question for you, you know, what do
36:00
Speaker 2: you think is going to happen next in Gaza? And
36:03
Speaker 2: also do you see this Board of Peace as many do,
36:06
Speaker 2: as an attempt to sort of supplant the UN with
36:10
Speaker 2: an entity that has Trump at the head, Because now
36:13
Speaker 2: they're talking not just about the Gaza Board of Pace,
36:15
Speaker 2: they're talking about using this in a variety of international
36:18
Speaker 2: context and conflicts around the world. So how do you
36:22
Speaker 2: see these pieces fitting together?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I assume that's their purpose to supplant the UN.
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Speaker 5: But the membership is some dictators. I want to be dictators,
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Speaker 5: right like, so I don't know how that represents the
36:34
Speaker 5: entire world, but well, it remains to be seen. People,
36:39
Speaker 5: we have no other alternative at this moment, and then
36:41
Speaker 5: to rely on them, right And So the way I
36:44
Speaker 5: read it is President Trump is actually in charge of
36:46
Speaker 5: everything in Gaza, and which is probably I mean, it's
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Speaker 5: not the worst thing, because he's probably better than everyone
36:52
Speaker 5: else on that board a piece in terms of human
36:54
Speaker 5: empathy and which you know, I'm not saying a lot.
36:57
Speaker 5: There's nobody on there that has any interest humanitarian affairs,
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Speaker 5: humanitarian support. There's nobody who's mentioned. Like when Jared Kushner
37:05
Speaker 5: was in Davos, he didn't talk about way we have
37:07
Speaker 5: to one point two million kids that have been subjected
37:09
Speaker 5: to trauma that no one's ever seen before. We have
37:12
Speaker 5: twenty thousand kids that are in need of prosthetics. We
37:16
Speaker 5: need to surge medical devices, we need to surge medical machines.
37:19
Speaker 5: All the hospitals. There's no pediatric monitors, there's no pediatric ventilators,
37:23
Speaker 5: there's no ct machines, no extriym machines. They didn't talk
37:26
Speaker 5: anything about that, right, Like they talked about the vision
37:28
Speaker 5: of these Dubai type buildings on rubble and dead bodies,
37:34
Speaker 5: and that's you know, that's kind of the part that
37:36
Speaker 5: I think all of us, if we have any connections
37:39
Speaker 5: or can get a hold of anyone, just let's remember
37:41
Speaker 5: the people, as you pointed out, there are no Palestinians
37:43
Speaker 5: anywhere near the decision making process. Right, they're in the
37:46
Speaker 5: technocratic process, but they can't say, you know, we have
37:49
Speaker 5: thirty six hospitals that have been destroyed, we have thousands
37:52
Speaker 5: and thousands of people that either need to be evacuated
37:54
Speaker 5: or we need thousands of doctors and nurses here. And
37:57
Speaker 5: even surely there's thousands of doctors and nurses around the
37:59
Speaker 5: world that would love to come to Gaza and help out, but.
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Speaker 1: They're not allowed in.
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Speaker 5: So the lack of attention to the humanitarian situation was
38:08
Speaker 5: very disconcerting.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that Trump and NETNYA who are aligned
38:12
Speaker 2: at this point, or do you think they're excuse me,
38:14
Speaker 2: misaligned in terms of what they want to see next,
38:17
Speaker 2: because it certainly seems like Yahoo wants to use the
38:21
Speaker 2: you know, the question of disarmament as a pretext to
38:25
Speaker 2: bar any sort of construction materials and any sort of
38:27
Speaker 2: reconstruction efforts, including the like predatory Jared Kushner led once
38:32
Speaker 2: from from proceedings.
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Speaker 5: So how do you see that, Well, it's hard to
38:36
Speaker 5: say whether it's theater and they're just doing this like
38:39
Speaker 5: for show or they really have different ideas because President
38:42
Speaker 5: Trump has said, you know, nobody's leaving unless they want to.
38:45
Speaker 5: And you know, nan Yaw has basically sent to everybody's out.
38:48
Speaker 5: So it's really hard to tell until it happens. So
38:50
Speaker 5: when Rafa border crossing opens, we'll see. For example, I
38:55
Speaker 5: evacuated little kids who were almost near death and but
38:58
Speaker 5: these really didn't allow them. The father is out, and
39:01
Speaker 5: so can I re Can I reunite that family? Or
39:04
Speaker 5: do I have to pay somebody? Who do I have
39:05
Speaker 5: to pay? It's it's all, it's all very very up
39:10
Speaker 5: in the air until it happens, and we just sort
39:12
Speaker 5: of react to the situation on the ground as it's happening,
39:16
Speaker 5: and then you know, we react. But there's nothing really uh,
39:20
Speaker 5: nothing to be optimistic about today at this very moment.
39:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, and lastly, you know a cultural question here, as
39:28
Speaker 2: I mentioned, Voice of Henry jab which you are executive
39:30
Speaker 2: producer of, was nominated for an Academy Award. How significant
39:36
Speaker 2: do you think that is in terms of you know,
39:37
Speaker 2: Hollywood even recognizing this this film, and you know, why
39:42
Speaker 2: did you decide to get involved with it? Why did
39:44
Speaker 2: you think that it was important that people see this movie.
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Speaker 5: Well, as you know, I've done these sort of evacuations
39:50
Speaker 5: of rescuing little kids from war zones and you know,
39:53
Speaker 5: trying to save their lives, and this is a little
39:56
Speaker 5: kid that wasn't able to be saved. And so I
40:00
Speaker 5: thought it was important to tell her story because there
40:03
Speaker 5: are thousands and thousands of these stories in Gaza and
40:05
Speaker 5: around the world. We just happen to have the tapes
40:08
Speaker 5: of the call from her to emergency services and back
40:10
Speaker 5: and forth and you know, and basically explaining the situation.
40:15
Speaker 5: We don't have that for the thousands of other little
40:17
Speaker 5: kids that have been killed in Gaza. So I thought
40:19
Speaker 5: it was important to be a part of that. And
40:22
Speaker 5: I don't know, I hope people will respond. And the
40:25
Speaker 5: movie is not going to feed anybody, it's not going
40:27
Speaker 5: to put a roof over anybody's head, but it will
40:29
Speaker 5: tell the story of a little girl clinging to life
40:33
Speaker 5: and then losing her life, right, And so I think
40:36
Speaker 5: the director Counthor Benhania, does an amazing job of telling
40:40
Speaker 5: this story. But there's nothing there's nothing good about it,
40:44
Speaker 5: whether you know, Hollywood embraces it and says, look, this
40:48
Speaker 5: is important and maybe we win. I don't know. I
40:51
Speaker 5: don't know what happens, but I think the people have responded.
40:54
Speaker 5: Regular people and it's always regular people that are the
40:57
Speaker 5: key to all this. But now we need to, you know,
41:00
Speaker 5: sort of move into action and say, what kind of
41:03
Speaker 5: world is this where we allow this to happen, where
41:06
Speaker 5: no one comes and rescues her. You know, the paramedics
41:09
Speaker 5: tried to come and rescue her and they were killed, right,
41:12
Speaker 5: and so this is it was It's it's a harrowing story,
41:17
Speaker 5: but the entire situation is a heroin.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining us, Simon. We
41:22
Speaker 1: always appreciate you.
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Speaker 5: Thanks for making the time. I really appreciate it because
41:26
Speaker 5: this humanitarian situation all around the world is obviously not
41:29
Speaker 5: covered by anyone else except for you and a few others.
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Speaker 1: Keep it's a great word. Thanks man. All right, guys,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching. We appreciate it.
41:38
Speaker 3: Thank you for your patience as we're buried literally under
41:42
Speaker 3: an unending kingdom of ice that apparently will never melt
41:46
Speaker 3: and will just continue to crush my hopes and dreams.
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Speaker 1: You could tell I'm starting to get a little bit
41:52
Speaker 1: of cabin fever.
41:54
Speaker 3: We will do our best to get back in the
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Speaker 3: studio as soon as as safely as possible. Remember not
41:59
Speaker 3: just for us, but also for the crew and for
42:01
Speaker 3: many of the other people that make it happen. So
42:04
Speaker 3: bear with us as we can. But Christal, you and
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Speaker 3: Emily are gonna have a great show tomorrow, so they'll
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