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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? It's
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Speaker 1: Jeff Moscher, It's Adam Kaplan and we start to now
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Speaker 1: enter our defensive depth chart. Intel look at we've been
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Speaker 1: doing every position.
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Speaker 2: On the Eagles. We started with offense.
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Speaker 1: We went through every position on offense last week, and
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Speaker 1: now we're going to look at the depth chart defensively
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna start Adam in the most important place
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Speaker 1: always with the Eagles to start on defense, and that
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Speaker 1: is the edge rotation, which has undergone quite a bit
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Speaker 1: of change, especially in the depth and the additions that
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Speaker 1: they've brought in throughout the off season. And I think
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Speaker 1: that in general, this is a really fascinating position for
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Speaker 1: them because of the change not only from adding you guys,
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Speaker 1: but from Jalen Phillips to now Jonathan Gernard as some
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Speaker 1: of your A level pass rusher, did you compare compare
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Speaker 1: them from from what you hear around the league as
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Speaker 1: far as who's better or who does what better?
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Speaker 3: Ho would you describe it? Yeah, they're completely different. Grenard's
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Speaker 3: an upfield, explosure, explosive edge rusher. We'll play the run.
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Speaker 3: He doesn't have Phillips body, It doesn't a Phillips injury history.
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Speaker 3: Grenard had at an injury last year which which uh
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Speaker 3: it forced him miss some time and he wasn't quite
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Speaker 3: himself and that played into why his sack numbers dropped.
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Speaker 3: And as I think he said in one of his interviews, uh,
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Speaker 3: he talked about how there were something they just missed.
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Speaker 3: It happens. He's so how do they How does the
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Speaker 3: leagues feel about him? Explosive, does everything well, superior leader,
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Speaker 3: Like this guy is just an all time great dude,
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Speaker 3: does everything you ask. Was a great story development from
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Speaker 3: the Texans with the Texans and he continued with the
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Speaker 3: Vikings and he just does. He's what you want in
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Speaker 3: an edge rusher and he's just he's an explosive edge
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Speaker 3: rusher on the he gets there very very quickly, Like
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Speaker 3: his first step is really really good. He just doesn't
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Speaker 3: have the body of Jalen Phillips. Is like if you said, okay,
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Speaker 3: what do you want and edge drushers to look like
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Speaker 3: that guy, like that's you don't find guys built out
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Speaker 3: of granite. He just built like that.
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Speaker 2: But no, he's muscular. Yeah, it does everything.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't look the Vikings kind of got over
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Speaker 3: on Grenard on the first one. I mean, he did
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Speaker 3: an undervalued deal. He outplayed it, and you know he
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Speaker 3: I don't know if he Hadrew Rosenhels in the beginning,
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Speaker 3: but I know he had Rosenels on this this last
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Speaker 3: deal which he got, he got extenched with Eagles, and
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Speaker 3: Drew got him the first two years full of guaranteed,
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Speaker 3: this year and one more, which is fine. It's typical
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Speaker 3: standard operating procedure. Teams typically don't, particularly after a trade
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Speaker 3: guarantee three years. But there's no reason to think that
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Speaker 3: he won't be really, really good for old schoolers are
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Speaker 3: stuck in the eighties. If you're just going by sack numbers,
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Speaker 3: well good luck to you. That's not the way teams evaluate.
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Speaker 3: It's not even as to the way they evaluate pressure
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Speaker 3: rate tape, pressure rate tape. Sure, you love, you love
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Speaker 3: double digit sacks, but remember sacks are literally individual plays,
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Speaker 3: individual plays. So if a guy had eight sacks, what
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Speaker 3: did he do on the rest of his snaps of
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Speaker 3: the naughty to one hundred and twenty snaps? Yep, maybe
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Speaker 3: more than maybe into it whatever they whatever he had,
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Speaker 3: So you have to kind of know that, Yeah, from
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Speaker 3: what we were just finish this part on Grenard was
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Speaker 3: told that the tape was fine. It wasn't bad. He
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Speaker 3: missed out on some sacks. Pressure rate was fine for
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Speaker 3: what he was doing. He's dealing with alickering shoulder problem,
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Speaker 3: which he got taken care of, and you know he's Uh.
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Speaker 3: I just I have a hard time believing he won't
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Speaker 3: be really good. Yeah, this is a little bit the
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Speaker 3: Fangio defense is not every thirty four fronts the same.
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Speaker 3: When your responsibilities are you know, he's gonna have to
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Speaker 3: drop in coverage. That's what Vic does. It's not like
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Speaker 3: Florest has never done this before. And he played in
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Speaker 3: a forty three front. I'd have to look. I know,
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Speaker 3: at times they were thirty four in Houston, then they
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Speaker 3: changed to forty three and mcka ryans, right, he's just
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Speaker 3: a really good player who the Vikings just could not agree.
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Speaker 3: They did not want to go they didn't want to
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Speaker 3: go super high. And by the way, the Vikings are
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Speaker 3: not a super high cash spend team. They're not like
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Speaker 3: the Eagles in cash ban which is very important. Right.
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Speaker 1: I remember when he came to the Vikings, it was
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Speaker 1: one of the weirder Oh, it was almost like a
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Speaker 1: trade involving no picks, and that wasn't agreed upon because
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Speaker 1: they signed Jonathan Gernard from the Texans, and the Texans
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Speaker 1: wound up signing d Neil Hunter right from the Vikers.
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Speaker 1: They were both free.
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Speaker 2: Agents, if I'm not mistaken.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was weird how they both kind of
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Speaker 1: just exchanged uniforms there.
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Speaker 3: Hunter, by the way, boy, what a story development he was. Hey,
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Speaker 3: he got taken care of like the Texans. He did
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Speaker 3: his deal and he out played it. He's great player,
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Speaker 3: phenomenal football player. So where do you want to go next?
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just looking.
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Speaker 1: I think when we're comparing last year to this year,
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Speaker 1: you've got really good speed. Let's start with just the
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Speaker 1: starters or the starting rotation. VIC plays a three man rotation.
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Speaker 1: We know it's going to be Jaylex Hunt, Jonathan Gernard,
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Speaker 1: and Nolan Smith in some capacity. If you're first down Edges,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I would think they're going to be Gernard
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Speaker 1: and Nolan Smith because Nolan Smith's a better run defender
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Speaker 1: more so than a pass rusher. And then Jalax Hunt
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Speaker 1: comes off. But I think Jax Hunt Adam in year
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Speaker 1: three has an opportunity this year to maybe have gotten
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Speaker 1: a little bit stronger, more experienced, and establish himself in
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Speaker 1: camp and then summer training camp as someone maybe who
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Speaker 1: plays the run. It's not like he's bad against the runner.
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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
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Speaker 1: You just know that Nolan Smith is really good against it.
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Speaker 1: But Hunt could do himself some services by saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm a really good run defender too.
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Speaker 3: It's really funny. This offensive line coach I know said
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Speaker 3: to me over the years when his team went against
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Speaker 3: the Eagles, said, Noel Smith, watch your knees when he
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Speaker 3: when when he's coming in the game, because he he
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Speaker 3: does tend to go a little bit low, but he
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Speaker 3: is a I don't know if we even knew this.
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Speaker 3: I actually have off to ask grec O Selliz. Was
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Speaker 3: Nolan Smith a good runner freend in Georgia? I don't
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Speaker 3: remember that.
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Speaker 1: Well, you do remember they felt he had off ball
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Speaker 1: linebacker capabilities because I brought that up. He was a
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Speaker 1: good downhill player. Yeah, they thought he would translate well.
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Speaker 3: But this will I mean, but he's at times exceptional
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Speaker 3: at it. He just has a feel for it. But
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Speaker 3: they needn't get pressure on the quarterback. Jaleax Son is
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Speaker 3: jalxn Over the final your final half of last season.
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Speaker 3: Boy did he come on us a pass rusher. Here's
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Speaker 3: singing and coaching. He left us wanting more, but in
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Speaker 3: a good way. It's like a tease. You go, wow,
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Speaker 3: we need to see what it's too bad the season
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Speaker 3: en and we want to see more of this guy.
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Speaker 3: So you're going to see that it's between Smith and
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Speaker 3: Hunt for that that role opposite Grenard, and we'll see
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Speaker 3: how it works out. My money would be on Hunt. Yes,
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Speaker 3: Smith got his fifth year option rolled over. But the
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Speaker 3: bottom line is, folks, Vic Fanger does not care about that.
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Speaker 3: He cares about who's going to give them the best
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Speaker 3: chance to perform. Well. He literally couldn't care less about contracts,
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Speaker 3: doesn't He doesn't have come to any pressure, not that
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Speaker 3: how he's putting it on him. But I know Vic
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Speaker 3: kind of sat under his breath a couple of times
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Speaker 3: about some issues in Denver with the front office. He
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Speaker 3: didn't really explain it. He's got his opinions. He's very
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Speaker 3: strong willed, and this guy's a hall of fame uh coach.
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Speaker 3: In fact, I would not surprise you've made the Hall
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Speaker 3: of Fame someday. He is exceptional. He really is and
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Speaker 3: on your point, like, so what they'll do is they'll
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Speaker 3: dress four, but it only played three. So let's and
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Speaker 3: I know we've talked about this a couple of times,
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Speaker 3: but let's expand on it now that got his contract.
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Speaker 3: So okay, this is interesting because, uh, they were on
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Speaker 3: as we understand it, they're on Gernard like six weeks
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Speaker 3: if not before the trade. So it's not.
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Speaker 4: You know, at what point at one point did they
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Speaker 4: not think like like bringing Arnold Abaquetti in right, they
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Speaker 4: had to they like paying him four point three million
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Speaker 4: and they guaranteed.
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Speaker 3: All of it. It's not starting money, but that's really
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Speaker 3: good backup money. That's your third guy, Like, that's your
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Speaker 3: third guy. Well they have three now that they got right, Like,
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Speaker 3: so you brought this up rightly.
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Speaker 1: Like what things have to give?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 1: Like, either Vick's gonna expand this thing out to a
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Speaker 1: four man rotation, which we have not seen evidence of,
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Speaker 1: or maybe it just kind of makes some roster decisions
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Speaker 1: for Howie as far as trading a guy who you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't expect to get traded at.
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Speaker 3: This or or with BG not in the picture in Nickel,
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Speaker 3: do they do they cross train anyone it wouldn't be
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Speaker 3: Nolan Smith jokes Hunt might be big enough to do it.
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Speaker 3: Do they do? They cross train Hunt to play inside
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Speaker 3: a nickel mm hmm, you know, just to get you
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Speaker 3: get because you're gonna want to get You're gonna want
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Speaker 3: to get Catty least rotating in because four point three
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Speaker 3: millions a lot of money forgotten not to play. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 3: and now they really didn't they really didn't need to
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Speaker 3: do this, but they did it anyway. Uh. They they
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Speaker 3: brought in yet another edge rusher, so jege t Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So he's making the veteran minimum from his for his
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Speaker 3: years of service one point four h two million. Uh,
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Speaker 3: the guarantee just an half of it, sixth and sixty
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Speaker 3: two point five not a lot of money. He certainly
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Speaker 3: is gonna have to He's gonna have to earn it
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Speaker 3: to get on the roster. That's not enough to keep
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Speaker 3: him on the roster.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: So the good thing is depth. The quality of depth
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Speaker 3: is good. Like as we've said for years now, depth
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Speaker 3: thought about how many players you have. It's about the
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Speaker 3: quality of the player. The quality looks pretty good. And
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Speaker 3: then they've got Keishaan James Newby. He's a major, major, major,
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Speaker 3: long shot to make the team. I don't see how
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Speaker 3: he makes it. He and Joshua Ruh who's an un
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Speaker 3: director free agent. The he's from Nigeria, isn't he?
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Speaker 2: No, he's from Kenya. War Bernard is the guy from
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Speaker 2: right right.
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Speaker 3: Right, right right, and he and and and and this
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Speaker 3: kid is the rugby player. Yes.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 3: And remember he didn't he didn't get the pathway designation. Uh,
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Speaker 3: so they could just caught him. And if he's not claiming,
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Speaker 3: he goes to the practice squad, so we'll see. But
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Speaker 3: Jose Ramier is also there, so they have a lot
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Speaker 3: of guys. To me, at most they'll keep five there.
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Speaker 3: They're gonna have such a numbers problem. Yeah, elsewhere on
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Speaker 3: the offensive line, especially yep that it's just I don't
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Speaker 3: see a path that everybody's healthy for try on shanking
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Speaker 3: and make it. I just don't.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't either. And I also see an issue
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Speaker 1: developing at the bottom of the roster with edge rotation
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Speaker 1: that we'll get to in a second. And we haven't
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Speaker 1: even really discussed what happens if Brandon Graham does decide
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Speaker 1: he wants to play. If he wants to play, he's playing,
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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. Vic loves him, Vic will
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Speaker 1: play him, and sure he can move Brandon inside, but
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Speaker 1: that's still a body at that position. It's still an
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Speaker 1: edge rush. Rotation would then include that would make it
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Speaker 1: even tougher for guys like Epichetty to get snapped, Shrinka
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Speaker 1: to Troyon tryon shrinking to make the team, and then
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Speaker 1: just overall, Actually, I'll get to it now. The Eagles,
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Speaker 1: I believe, for the last four years for a while,
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Speaker 1: have used a fifth edge rusher because he's been a
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Speaker 1: very good special teamer. Not as an edge rusher we're
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Speaker 1: talking about Patrick Johnson. We're talking about somebody else who
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Speaker 1: had it last year when Patrick or when Patrick was
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Speaker 1: gon I forget who, but they've always had an extra
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Speaker 1: edge guy who has been a good special teamer. If
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Speaker 1: you're keeping the top three that we talked about of
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Speaker 1: Nolan Smith and Jaelex Hunt and Grenard of course, and
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Speaker 1: Ebiketty is four, then right, so Brandon Graham five are you?
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Speaker 1: None of those guys are special teamers, so you're gonna
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Speaker 1: have to make up that special team means deficiency somewhere else,
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Speaker 1: which means maybe you keep two extra off ball linebacks.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but it goes back
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Speaker 1: to your point. How do you go heavier at other positions?
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Speaker 1: If you're keeping four quarterbacks and eleven offensive linemen, like,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go thin somewhere and things have
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Speaker 1: to make sense.
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Speaker 2: You have to have a good special teams. They have
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Speaker 2: the rams.
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Speaker 3: I mean, remember as we talked about the Quarterback Show
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Speaker 3: exactly Quarterback Show, they've got four. Okay, they've have four.
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Speaker 3: You can't keep everybody. I after I listened to Andrews
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Speaker 3: show last week, I want to see how much I
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Speaker 3: agree or whatever it was. He didn't. I think two parts,
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Speaker 3: but I mean I I I spent ten minutes on it,
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Speaker 3: just having a little fun. I couldn't get under sixty.
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Speaker 3: I just they have so many players that would make
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Speaker 3: sense for them to want to keep right. It's just
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Speaker 3: it's tough.
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Speaker 2: So as we how about this. I did one for
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Speaker 2: a Philly Voice.
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Speaker 1: I did a way too and what I wound up
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Speaker 1: doing just for fun and to be creative. We'll do
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Speaker 1: one here, but also to put some thought into it.
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Speaker 1: I don't just you know me, I wouldn't just write
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Speaker 1: something at stupid, but I had that at the time,
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Speaker 1: they don't have They didn't have a long snapper. They
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Speaker 1: wound up signing Rocco Underwood. He's a free we'll see
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Speaker 1: if he makes a team. But you could, theoretically, if
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Speaker 1: you really wanted to, and I think the Eagles are
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Speaker 1: getting toward being this type of team anyway, you could
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Speaker 1: go into the year without a long snapper on your
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Speaker 1: fifty three and have them for the first three weeks
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Speaker 1: just be a practice squad quality.
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Speaker 3: Did that last year? Right?
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Speaker 2: With you do that? I think it was with was
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Speaker 2: it feel it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Which because I remember it was like Tuesday, We're like, okay,
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Speaker 3: what are they doing? Yeah? And then we figured it out.
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Speaker 3: We go, wow, that's actually really smart.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 3: It's just it's just being really creative finding some way
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Speaker 3: not to waste a roster spot until game day, right,
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Speaker 3: you know? And that that was the craziness. I forget
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Speaker 3: which practice squad guy. He'd get there Monday, he'd be gone,
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Speaker 3: wednesday'd be back for like, just the craziness of the
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Speaker 3: practice squad tango as we've called it for nine years.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see h no matter what, depending
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Speaker 1: on how if they do what we think they're gonna
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Speaker 1: do is just go heavier than normal at some unconventional
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Speaker 1: spots like QB and O line. You're gonna see on
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Speaker 1: game day, you're gonna see elevations used for special teams
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Speaker 1: more so than often, and inactives players who probably could play,
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Speaker 1: but they're gonna need special teams contributors. So you're gonna
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Speaker 1: see active guys who are bottom roster guys who will
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Speaker 1: not see a snap of offense or defense, but they'll
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Speaker 1: be out there on special teams.
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Speaker 2: It's all gonna be fascinating.
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Speaker 3: One more thing to add. So for those of you
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Speaker 3: thinking Joha Campbell will play Edge, think again. There's just
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Speaker 3: really no reason to do it. Yeah, where there's none.
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Speaker 3: I hadn't even thought about this until I was taking
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Speaker 3: some notes about down in distance and situational football for
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Speaker 3: their their Edge group. We talked about Smith potentially on
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Speaker 3: bass downs and Nickel Ebikehetti because that's really what he
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Speaker 3: was with Atlanta, and then Hunt, to me, Hunts got
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Speaker 3: way more upside than Smith does. He just doesn't play
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Speaker 3: the runs well as Smith. So maybe in Nickel Hunt
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Speaker 3: and Epicatty or any any obvious pass rushdown, maybe Epicetty
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Speaker 3: and Hunt split it. Maybe Hunt if they feel like
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Speaker 3: he's good enough to play bass. He's got the length
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Speaker 3: to cut into Smith's role on base down. So there's
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Speaker 3: a lot of possibility. That's the cool thing about this.
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Speaker 3: It's situationally, they have a lot of possibilities which they
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Speaker 3: haven't really had, right And Grenard's and every down player
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Speaker 3: like he's. He's shown to be competitive against the run,
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Speaker 3: and he's so explosive. If he does play all seventeen
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Speaker 3: games plus playoffs, I'm really curious about what his numbers
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Speaker 3: will look like. I'd be stunned if he doesn't have
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Speaker 3: double digit sacks.
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Speaker 1: So last year, to go back to the original discussion, right,
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Speaker 1: last year, Jalen Phillips had a pass rush win rate
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Speaker 1: of I have it right in front of a fifteen
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Speaker 1: point nine. Okay, that's pretty good. The top you were
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Speaker 1: like Parsons and Benito at twenty, and then Miles Garrett
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Speaker 1: was around eighteen, Thenmber and then the next best are
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Speaker 1: in that fifteen to seventeen range. All right in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four, because remember Grenard was hurt last year, so
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Speaker 1: I'm going back to his last year twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 1: it was pretty good, but it was like thirteen point
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Speaker 1: eight not as uh, you know, it's still good, but
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Speaker 1: not maybe as good as Phillips last year, but still good.
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Speaker 1: Thirteen I'm sorry, thirteen point four was what he was
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. So interesting. I do think that
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Speaker 1: there's something to be said about concerns about lightness on
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Speaker 1: the edges if you.
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Speaker 3: Have he's not a wide body.
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Speaker 1: Yet, yeah, ebicquety. So we said we would talk about that.
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Speaker 1: I mean to go inside the situation. Would it surprise
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Speaker 1: me if there is a trade by the end of
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Speaker 1: camp to make room? Oh yeah, I mean, honestly, special
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Speaker 1: Nolan Smith the guy you think that would be the
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Speaker 1: one because he's up on three years and.
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be hard. I don't have it's because remember
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Speaker 3: they've guaranteed fully guaranteed twenty seven.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's it's it's hard. He's not that good
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Speaker 3: of a pass rusher. He two years ago, he really
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Speaker 3: came on and then of course the injury and then
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Speaker 3: re injury and he and it's a it's kind of
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Speaker 3: a quagmire because you know, like he really came on
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Speaker 3: as a pass rusher and then we haven't seen him
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Speaker 3: be healthy at a long time.
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Speaker 1: That might be more of the issue is that it
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Speaker 1: was hard for him last year coming off the triceps
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Speaker 1: to really But he's such a good run defender, you
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Speaker 1: would think that the pass rushing would be fine. He's
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Speaker 1: like an incomplete puzzle to me. Like I I still
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Speaker 1: think that there's we saw so much improvement two years
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Speaker 1: ago that if he does stay healthy and puts together
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Speaker 1: consistent number of reps, I can see him getting back
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Speaker 1: to being an improving pass rusher and a real good
17:57
Speaker 1: significant add to that three man rotation. But then they
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Speaker 1: went out and made these moves for a reason too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to understand if they want up entertaining
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Speaker 3: at the trade deadline, trading Nolan Smith or whenever it is,
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Speaker 3: you know they're guaranteeing like that. You have to believe
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Speaker 3: if you're trading for him, he's your trading for him
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Speaker 3: because because you know he's going to be in your
18:16
Speaker 3: roster in twenty seven. You trading for him because you
18:18
Speaker 3: believe he's going to be a starterre This is not okay,
18:21
Speaker 3: well we need depth. No, you're not doing that. You're
18:23
Speaker 3: not giving up. I think it's I don't know the
18:24
Speaker 3: total SID. I think it's around fourteen million for twenty seven.
18:27
Speaker 3: That's slow and starter money. He got's a starter, Like
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Speaker 3: if you're trading for him, he's a starter, So I
18:32
Speaker 3: don't he hasn't shown that like he's he hasn't shown
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Speaker 3: it for a full season yet. It's he have to
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Speaker 3: put it together. But the good thing is to move
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Speaker 3: this along here. They've got tremendous depth. Ebic Kenny is
18:43
Speaker 3: a really good third edge. He's not a starting quality player.
18:46
Speaker 3: He's a third guy. Correct Grenard and clubs will they'll
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Speaker 3: tell you by tape he's more explosive than maybe he's
18:54
Speaker 3: been given credit four times in his career. The tape
18:56
Speaker 3: is his first step for his first step quickness. Even
19:00
Speaker 3: if he doesn't get what's called a QR by the
19:03
Speaker 3: line coaches I've talked to, they call quality rush it.
19:06
Speaker 3: They don't always agree with the stat services about what
19:09
Speaker 3: a win rate is. Because grec O Seals pointed this out.
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Speaker 3: Watch the tape. He goes, that's not that guy. He
19:16
Speaker 3: didn't win there he can because he goes that guy
19:19
Speaker 3: was three yards. He goes, they're basically giving him credit.
19:23
Speaker 3: The guy's three yards away, like what is the determination
19:28
Speaker 3: of what a win? Did the guy win on? There?
19:30
Speaker 3: He goes, I don't think he doesn't agree Greg to
19:32
Speaker 3: talk about He doesn't always agree, and coaches I've spoke
19:34
Speaker 3: with don't always agree. It's it's tape first. Then you
19:37
Speaker 3: match it up with the stat services and you see
19:40
Speaker 3: whether you agree or not. But as coaches will tell you,
19:44
Speaker 3: the stats services are really valuable for what your eyes
19:46
Speaker 3: can't measure, which you just can't add up. You don't
19:49
Speaker 3: have time to do it, you know, mm hmm, because
19:52
Speaker 3: you could give interns or quality control coaches this stuff,
19:55
Speaker 3: but they don't have your eyes.
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Speaker 1: me to finish it off. I think hunts the big
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Speaker 1: X factor for this group. If he makes the kind
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Speaker 1: of leap in year three that he made from year
23:42
Speaker 1: one to year two, then you got yourself an excellent
23:45
Speaker 1: player and a real fearsome edge rush. Because you have
23:48
Speaker 1: more than you have a lot of guys to worry
23:50
Speaker 1: about Grenard's got to be able to Now that is
23:53
Speaker 1: sort of depending on this Grenard can can he get
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Speaker 1: the offense to put an extra blocker there, like a
23:59
Speaker 1: tight end or the running back kept in to keep
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Speaker 1: Hunt one on one against the right tackle, because that's
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Speaker 1: really where he flourished last years after Jalen Phillips came along,
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Speaker 1: is that he could a lot of right tackles are
24:12
Speaker 1: a little bit more long arm but slower, and Hunt
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Speaker 1: is fast and he's got a great body size that
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Speaker 1: he grew into, so he was able to fight off
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Speaker 1: some tackles and really make life miserable.
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Speaker 2: For them and get to the quarterback.
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Speaker 1: If he can continue that and not have to get chipped,
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Speaker 1: not have to get any obstruction on the way to
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Speaker 1: the quarterback, he could be really good. Plus we already
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Speaker 1: seen Adam with those that safety background that he had
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Speaker 1: when he drops in the coverage ranging how athletic. He
24:37
Speaker 1: led the team last year in interceptions and sacks, which
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Speaker 1: is almost unfathomable for any player, let alone a second
24:43
Speaker 1: year play. So to me, the sky is the limit, right,
24:46
Speaker 1: And if he really takes another jump, if he is
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Speaker 1: a student of the game, if he refines his pass rush.
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Speaker 2: You can get yourself.
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Speaker 1: If he makes himself into a Pro Bowl caliber edd rusher,
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Speaker 1: Oh god, really.
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Speaker 3: Dangerous that if that happens. I'm not doubting it. I'm
25:02
Speaker 3: not doubting it. I mean, he he's what you love
25:05
Speaker 3: is the progression made a big jump last year, and
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Speaker 3: like I said, he leaves you wanting more in a
25:10
Speaker 3: good way. Like it's it's you go wow. And he's
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Speaker 3: got just to finish this off with hunt six three
25:18
Speaker 3: and three quarters at the combine two fifty two. The
25:21
Speaker 3: length is phenomenal, thirty four and three eighth inch, arms
25:24
Speaker 3: just under thirty five, wingspan eighty two and three quarters.
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Speaker 3: Great Handsey's good at ten he benched nineteen, not bad.
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Speaker 3: His ten yard split was fantastic, one to six. Vert
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Speaker 3: was thirty seven and a half. And I remember, you
25:41
Speaker 3: know I mentioned this before, like this, this intrusser coach
25:45
Speaker 3: I know from an AFC team told me he begged
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Speaker 3: his GM to draft him the third because we've got
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Speaker 3: to take him here before anyone else gets him. He
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Speaker 3: did mention to me that he'd loved the safety background,
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Speaker 3: his ability to diagnose, and he said, absolutely, it's a
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Speaker 3: factor when you great him because you're taking what he's
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Speaker 3: very well as a pass thrusher, but the other extra benefits.
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Speaker 3: And here we are like this is and Jeremia Washburn
26:12
Speaker 3: give him credit. You know, we've had questions about him
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Speaker 3: over the years, but he's he's really learned, you know,
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Speaker 3: over the years, because don't forget he's to be an
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Speaker 3: O line coach like his father. Yep, and he's done
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Speaker 3: a really good job of developing these guys.
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Speaker 1: Think about what you said about Hunt's arm length. It's
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Speaker 1: thirty five inches that you.
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Speaker 3: Said thirty four and three eights.
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Speaker 1: So pretty close to thirty five. The reason tackles play
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Speaker 1: right tackle, most of them, not all, not Lane Johnson
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Speaker 1: for sure, is because they don't have the long They
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Speaker 1: have thirty five inch arms or shorter, and they're a
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Speaker 1: little bit typically less mobile than the left tackle. So
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Speaker 1: you're giving Jylex Hunt the ability to match arm length
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Speaker 1: with the tackle he can get his hands, and then
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Speaker 1: he's going to be a lot faster, a lot more
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Speaker 1: athletic than most of the right tackles that he's going again,
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Speaker 1: so it should be a really really interesting year three
26:57
Speaker 1: for him, and this rotation could be something as long
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Speaker 1: as it stays healthy and continues to make progress.
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Speaker 2: That's a that's a good look at the ed rotation.
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Speaker 3: It's different, this is a different ago.
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Speaker 1: We would have thought Grenard Hunt and Arnold Basketty would
27:12
Speaker 1: be a part of this edge rotation.
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Speaker 3: But I know since Nick Sirianny has gotten here, this
27:19
Speaker 3: is by far the most questions on both sides of
27:21
Speaker 3: the football.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's oh yeah.
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Speaker 3: The next show, d Tackle is kind of clean. Also
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Speaker 3: the same guys, but most positions have upheaval depth issue. Well,
27:32
Speaker 3: looks like death might be better, but they're not sure.
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Speaker 3: They have to play. They have to work out once
27:36
Speaker 3: the veterans get in the clock runs. Yeah, it's actually good.
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Speaker 3: It's actually good that there's a lot of mystery.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, there is no more mystery this show.
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Speaker 1: We just gave you all the intel, and that is
27:47
Speaker 1: the look at the depth the starters and the depth
27:51
Speaker 1: of the Eagles edge rush. In our next episode, we'll
27:54
Speaker 1: get inside the interior of the Eagles defensive line and
27:58
Speaker 1: talk about DT's three eyes, four eyes, whatever you want
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Speaker 1: to call them, zeros. We'll get inside that. That's gonna
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