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What Counts As Plagiarism And Why It Matters In Publishing And Classrooms | Ep 378 · Voices for Voices®

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• 2:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So thank you for joining us.
• 2:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're gonna be talking about something that is near and dear to our voices for voices, publishing uh area of voices for voices, and that is the term plagiarism.
• 3:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, what I'm going to do, I think, is to make things a little bit easier, is to get us started.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm gonna take us on over to uh plagiarism.
• 3:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: All right, so plagiarism on the uh educational front.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So having been an instructor on the uh the collegiate front, undergrad, uh, in-person, remote, uh MBA courses, uh undergrad, of course, uh all kinds of uh all kinds of uh uh individuals because everybody's unique.
• 4:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And unfortunately, I've I've had a couple instances where uh plagiarism has uh actually occurred and it is not something that is fun to talk about.
• 4:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh but what we use, what was integrated into our uh our assignment, kind of our digital assignment, uh turn in is uh it's called Turn It In, right?
• 4:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Turn it in, kind of makes sense, right?
• 4:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it would uh so we would you know upload uh all the students' work and we would get you know a score and information on uh you know how likely uh it was that you know bits and pieces, parts, or maybe even the whole project was plagiarized.
• 5:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we would uh we would use that to kind of guide our uh guide our uh our grading uh as well as any additional uh conversations that needed to be had with students.
• 5:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, you know, we we look at you know from a let's say a hundred percent in this case would be the entire paper, the entire project would be plagiarized, meaning the entire project, entire paper was written and turned in uh somewhere along the line, and that's not good.
• 5:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You want to have a score as close to zero percent, you know, five to ten percent usually is uh basically acceptable because there's sometimes you know certain sentences and certain ways of saying uh certain uh actions.
• 6:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh there's only maybe a couple different ways of saying that.
• 6:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and so it makes a little bit of sense that you know there's gonna be some overlap, but that's why we look at and say, okay, let's look at 10 versus 70.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: 10 that's kind of in line uh with the norm.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, we want it to be zero percent, but when we look at again in this hypothetical example, uh, you know, 10 versus 70, well, that paper, that project that was 70 plagiarized uh with a high degree of confidence, that is cause for concern.
• 7:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so that would prompt conversations, uh, further conversations with uh myself, the student, oftentimes the dean, uh the the section head.
• 7:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So if it was marketing, it'd be the marketing, if it was uh those management, and it'd be you know management, economics, etc.
• 7:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's kind of how that would work.
• 7:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then we would we would talk about uh you know what would occur, and we we would look at conversations and what the students would say.
• 7:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Sometimes students would freely admit a it's on a time crunch, it happened, I didn't mean to do it, uh I won't do it again.
• 8:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so then we would take that into our uh into our decision making as far as you know everything from doing nothing, which I'm not a big proponent of, uh, to you know getting a zero on that particular assignment, but not affecting the whole uh the whole class per se, meaning that if this is a marketing uh 101 course and halfway through the the term is when this happens, and there's a 70% with good uh with a high degree of confidence that the 70% was plagiarized, uh then we would have decision to make of okay, well that's an automatic zero on the assignment.
• 9:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So if it was a 200-point assignment, that's a zero.
• 9:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh because we don't as we don't as human beings really as much as we want to say that oh, I won't do it again, that word gets around.
• 9:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Trust me.
• 9:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That word gets around.
• 9:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, Professor So and so, I did this and I just got a zero.
• 9:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, there's escalations that can occur.
• 9:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If said student, 70%.
• 9:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Actually, let's let's call it 80%, let's call it 80 to 100%, because I've had 100% matches, meaning the exact same paper project was turned in verbatim, except the name.
• 10:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And in those cases, we have decisions to make.
• 10:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Wasn't sure who did what, when, and we we run into this whole athletics and education and this whole thing of well, they play athletics, so you know, not only given a zero points on an assignment, we can take it to that next level that says, okay, we're gonna take the point level.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let's say there's a thousand points in class, and let's say ninety percent is an A.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's been times where I've opted to take all the points, so basically taking those a hundred points and tossing them out the window so that there's no way that the student is able to get an A in class at the overall grade that makes a difference.
• 11:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Then there's the third escalation point, and this is some there's some scar tissue around that for me because uh I mean just coming right out and saying the same thing.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They're athletes, you know, we can't get them kicked out of even though on the syllabus, the syllabi, even though it says if you plagiarize that you can be administratively removed from class, meaning you're kicked out of class and you got to retake class that particular course at a different time.
• 12:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, at this time, I'm talking about you know, the dean didn't want that because we're we're talking about athletes.
• 12:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I'm all for watching athletics, I'm all for rooting and cheering on certain teams and that, just like we all probably are to an extent.
• 12:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But I also having a master's degree went through two ethics courses on top of ethics being covered in just about eat each and every other uh course along the way, you know, ethics and business, ethics and management, and you get the idea, ethics and marketing.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I was basically said, Well, we can't kick them out of class, even though that's what should happen because these papers were identical, and these students came in brazen and said, Oh, I don't know what happened.
• 13:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, we worked on it together, but no, I didn't copy him, he didn't copy me.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay, we're putting paper A, paper B together, or side by side.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Tell me the difference.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, well, the name and the date.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay.
• 13:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So uh paper, the only thing that different it's different than the name, I think there should be punishment for that.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, I know going through my education, I sure as blank uh would have been kicked out of my class if that would have happened, if I would have done that.
• 14:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so that was my decision.
• 14:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I wanted to do that, but the dean said, no, no, no, no, we can't do that.
• 14:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They're athletes, and you know, that would take them out of being eligible for their sport.
• 14:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Have you mind it?
• 14:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Our sports teams are not that great.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Not that that should make a difference, because it shouldn't.
• 14:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But our teams aren't even that great, so we're sending a wrong message.
• 14:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I wasn't able to administratively withdraw them, the two students, the athletes, even though they should have.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So plagiarism.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let's find out exactly what that is, since I've taken about ten minutes.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um plagiarism meaning.
• 15:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Alright.
• 15:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So from Wikipedia.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Is plagiarism, which is spelled P-L-A-G-I-A-R-I-S-M, is a noun N-O-U-N.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The definition that I want to bring up is an instance of plagiarizing, especially a passage.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So a written work.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A passage that is taken from the work of one person and reproduced in the work of another without attribution.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's one thing if there would have been attribution, if there was a sentence or two, right?
• 16:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We we see this all the time.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh after a sporting event, after a tragedy, you know, there's there's attribution of where information comes from.
• 16:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so there was no attribution on those examples that I gave.
• 16:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's no attribution of, hey, this whole paper is attributed to this student, and vice versa, that didn't happen.
• 16:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So there's no attribution, and it was one person, one student, turning in the exact same work as the other.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's basically a one-for-one, except for the name, uh difference on the on the paper, uh it itself, the project.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's what the definition is.
• 16:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And you might be asking why, you know, this is a mental health, the trauma, recovery.
• 16:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, we talk about uh, you know, mental health, mental illness, we talk about uh mythical creatures around the world.
• 17:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we're heavily talking about voices for voices publishing, which is the uh the arm of voices for voices, like uh that is connected to the uh publishing side of things.
• 17:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I bring up plagiarism, and my I've already had experience with this.
• 17:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So this isn't me just making something up.
• 17:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh this isn't me placing blame where blame shouldn't be uh shouldn't be given uh or bringing up this topic.
• 17:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh first and foremost, I like to say, uh, we've been getting some really nasty comments on on our videos.
• 17:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, really nasty.
• 17:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and so I'm gonna say this.
• 18:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.
• 18:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Period, full stop.
• 18:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Turn on a different show, turn on a different podcast.
• 18:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're not gonna hurt my feelings, you're not gonna hurt anybody, any of our guests or uh anybody, anybody's feelings.
• 18:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just do that, it makes things much easier, much simpler.
• 18:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because if you have so much time in your day or night, evening, morning, afternoon, that you can sit on a TikTok live and then just start spewing hate.
• 18:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh some may be considered death threats.
• 18:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, we do have the first amendment, but when we start talking about death threats and and the like, that's that's where that privilege of the First Amendment, freedom of speech, that's where that ends, is when you you start you know threatening uh people.
• 19:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I wanted to share that as well as we're we're working our way through this episode.
• 19:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.
• 19:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Turn something else on.
• 19:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we're not forcing you to watch, we're not forcing you to listen, we're not doing any of that.
• 19:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're just having a show, a podcast, like many, many, many, many, many, many other institutions, individuals, organizations have.
• 19:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So just turn ours off.
• 19:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Don't even tune in.
• 19:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so it just blows me away how some of these comments.
• 19:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I I think I counted on one video there was almost a hundred and seventy not just negative comments, uh, right?
• 20:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We had that first amendment, but when we start calling people POS, uh spelling it out, using the F word, uh making what could be considered death threats.
• 20:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And again, this is serious business here.
• 20:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, I don't think anybody wants to have any of that happen.
• 20:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, because we value life, we value all of us.
• 20:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: As we say, we not only pray for ourselves, but we pray for you and the entire world, even if you are an enemy of ours, even if you are a competitor of ours, even if you are plagiarizing, which is what this episode is going to transition to, even if you are plagiarizing, Morgan Busse, B-U-S-S-E, last name, uh plagiarize from uh mythical creatures around the world.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And there's many, many, many, many, many more.
• 21:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so just like Turnitin is a tool that's used in the education space, uh, to look at uh the degree, the percentage of uh a post, uh yeah uh piece of work, uh a project, a paper, and cl again, the closer we get to 100%, uh the the worse it looks for the person who turned in or is publishing books, selling them, putting them on sale for people to buy when Morgan we we have the data, so just we're not making this stuff up.
• 22:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I've had the experience in education space.
• 22:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: First off, I got my master's, a real master's degree.
• 22:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I took it in person, I've done international travel, I've done a lot of things.
• 22:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I've taught for over 10 years at a university, I've taught in person with some of the hostile students known to a person.
• 22:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I taught through the COVID uh online.
• 22:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I've developed courses, uh, so worked to put courses that were uh primarily in person and uh worked to uh get those courses uh so that they could be uh used uh remotely.
• 23:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So again, first first thing, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't comment.
• 23:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't want to hear it, nobody wants to hear it.
• 23:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because these things could be potentially turned over to law enforcement, and that's not on me.
• 23:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's not on us, that's on you.
• 23:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So you, the person, the people that are taking time out of your day, your night, your afternoon, dispute hate on our TikTok lives, our Instagram lives, our Facebook lives, our you know, TV show and podcast about certain guests, about me, about the organization, using uh some of the most vulgar language I've ever heard.
• 23:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and these are coming from people who uh Bryan Davis, uh Masters and Slayers, who in the back of your book you wrote a song, and there's footage that we've shown where you've had children singing a song in the woods talking about mutilating, penetrating.
• 24:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I mean when I heard about that, I didn't believe it at first.
• 24:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was like, nah, that's that's just that's way out there.
• 24:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Then when I saw it, I just you know, disbelief came in.
• 24:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But then I started to see some of these these comments that you know you're making up uh profile names on TikTok, you're logging into TikTok lives that we have, and you're spewing even there some of the brutalist language and comments, just absolutely sickening.
• 25:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so again, you made your bed, and that's that's what we're gonna say about that.
• 25:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So getting back here, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.
• 25:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Turn the channel, turn us off.
• 25:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're not gonna hurt my feelings.
• 25:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're making a huge difference across the world.
• 25:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're gonna surpass helping 3 billion people over the course of my lifetime and beyond.
• 25:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We've already eclipsed that 300 episode uh number total that we are gonna have at the end of uh calendar 2025.
• 25:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh this, I believe, is episode uh 377 or 378.
• 25:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're gonna have at least 400 total episodes by the end of calendar 2025.
• 26:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So don't underestimate David.
• 26:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Don't underestimate David, even if you're you're Goliath.
• 26:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh say not anything nice to say, don't say it at all.
• 26:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Turn channel, turn us off, that's okay.
• 26:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh if you see we have a TikTok live, Facebook Live, Instagram live, turn on something else.
• 26:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Turn something on something else.
• 26:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's better for you in the long run.
• 26:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, because as you know, there are things called digital footprints, and you're just making and continuing to make a digital footprint each and every time you you want to pull and put some uh some very um very disgusting language.
• 26:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and then the plagiarism, so we bring things right back, right?
• 27:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's called the weave.
• 27:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, we we head on out, and now we're heading back.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're talking about plagiarism, Morgan, Morgan Busse, Morgan Busse, Morgan Busse, that is M-O-R-G-A-N, last name Busse B-U-S-S-E.
• 27:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That individual that what we believe is a woman uh has the highest plagiarism percentage looking at mythical creatures around the world Facebook page.
• 27:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, Morgan, you have a lot of explaining to do.
• 27:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let me say that again.
• 27:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Morgan, you have a lot of explaining to do.
• 27:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Power three.
• 28:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Morgan, you have a lot of explaining to do.
• 28:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Why do you feel the need that you have to uh you have to plagiarize, you have to copy verbatim quite a bit of information and put it in books and writing that you're selling, making people think that those are those are your exact words when they're not all of them are, and in fact, quite a high percentage of the words aren't.
• 28:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So you need to step forward, step to the play, and you need to explain yourself why what made you decide to use mythical creatures around the world in your writing so much so that you're plagiarizing, not given attribution to who it's due to.
• 28:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Is that because the person behind mythical creatures around the world is one of the hottest and top authors of our day of all time?
• 29:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's my guess.
• 29:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But I don't nobody cares what my guess is.
• 29:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We want to hear from you.
• 29:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We want you to explain.
• 29:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We want you to explain to your fans.
• 29:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We want it we want you to explain to Realm.
• 29:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We want you to explain to each and every person that's ever bought one of your your uh works, your books, anything written by you.
• 29:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We want you to step up and you to explain it.
• 29:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: See a lot of you may or may not know is when we come and we talk about things, we bring evidence.
• 29:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We bring the receipt.
• 30:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: However, the other side, all you bring are words.
• 30:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You don't have the evidence you pull are the very words that you've spoken that are on YouTube to this day.
• 30:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Children, young children singing songs in the back, uh singing the song in the back of Masters and Slayers, Bryan Davis.
• 30:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's talking to you.
• 30:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hello.
• 30:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Welcome to another episode.
• 30:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We appreciate you tuning in, but we would rather you not because you're not helping yourself out by having these children 15 plus years ago.
• 30:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And there's some sick contest and being okay with that.
• 30:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: See, that's where Voices for Voices publishing, mythical creatures around the world, that's where parents and guardians can be sure that when you're handed and when you buy one of our works, it is safe, it is clean, as opposed to when you buy uh other Christian fantasy that's out there.
• 31:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: People are sick and tired of the BS that the comp our competition on the Christian fantasy writing.
• 31:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: People are sick and tired of that.
• 31:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And now I know a good bit why.
• 31:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's because of the plagiarism.
• 31:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We also know David Solomon ghost wrote for you, Bryan Davis, at a very young age.
• 31:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We do know that.
• 31:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's called a fact.
• 31:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's called evidence.
• 32:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Prove that it's not the case.
• 32:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bring your evidence that shows that that's not the case.
• 32:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because we matched each and every element that you you put together in uh in a document, and we had and still have the evidence on every single one of those.
• 32:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's also time for you to step out of the shadows, Bryan.
• 32:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And Scott, Scott Minor, who's not even an author.
• 32:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It was only after one of our shows, I believe, month months ago.
• 32:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He put together some 50-60 page pamphlet, book, booklet.
• 33:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't I don't know.
• 33:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh but see, we're we're talking about the light, we're talking about helping people.
• 33:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so we just want people to know who are watching and listening, the Voices for Voices, that we bring the receipts, we bring the information.
• 33:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The people that are over on the other side, uh, they're bringing a lot of words, they're bringing lip service.
• 33:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They don't have the evidence, they don't have facts.
• 33:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The facts they have are that we quoted what they actually said.
• 33:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's not our fault that you actually said it.
• 33:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not.
• 33:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's your fault you actually said it.
• 33:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So this whole plagiarizing thing.
• 34:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: People know the humans make mistakes.
• 34:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're not sinless, Bryan Davis.
• 34:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You'd think you are Scott Minor.
• 34:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Probably Morgan as well.
• 34:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know.
• 34:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I can only guess that you know that by plagiarizing so much of your work, taking after, plagiarizing from mythical creatures around the world, and who knows where else you plagiarize from and did not give attribution.
• 34:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You guys, you I don't mean guys as in that you're all guys, just mean you individuals have a lot of explaining to do.
• 34:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because I tell you what, if somebody, if somebody was coming and saying things that were false, I'd be coming on here and talking about, which I have, and I am, and we have, and we've had guess, and guess with evidence.
• 35:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: People don't want to see to that, they don't want to hear it.
• 35:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They want to just pretend like it's not there, that we just we just forget about that.
• 35:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This isn't about power.
• 35:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is about what's right and what's not right.
• 35:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What's right is having a Facebook page, posting original content, and giving attribution where where it is due, which is exactly what David Solomon does.
• 35:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: As opposed to Morgan Busse.
• 36:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Morgan Busse.
• 36:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, I apologize if I'm speaking the uh your last name wrong.
• 36:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I all I know is is the spelling.
• 36:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: B-U-S-S-E.
• 36:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You have a lot of explaining to do.
• 36:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So you need to come forward on.
• 36:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, you're I think you're I think you're jealous, you're envious of mythical creatures around the world.
• 36:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know the quality of it, so I think that's part of the plagiarism.
• 36:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think you're envious that you can't write something original that's as good as what David has and who he has attribution to.
• 36:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so we look in the mirror every day, and you should be looking in the mirror every day, too, and asking yourself, why am I and why have I plagiarized so much of mythical creatures around the world and passed off that work because that's the person that has the most, the highest percentage of plagiarism from her work, Morgan's work, that people can purchase.
• 37:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So you're lying to your fans, you're lying to your readers, and I think you know, as just a human being, I think you owe them an apology for starters.
• 37:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You owe them a public apology.
• 37:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Say, you know what?
• 37:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I've made bad judgments over the course of my life.
• 37:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Some of those of which is I have taken uh verbatim some information, some posts from mythical creatures around the world from David Solomon, and I've used that as my own, not giving attribution, which means you're just writing it as if it's your own.
• 38:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're not using quotation marks.
• 38:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't even know.
• 38:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Do you know how to use quotation marks?
• 38:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe you don't, I don't know.
• 38:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not uh I don't proclaim to be some great writer.
• 38:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I just claim to be an expert on myself, and that's what I share.
• 38:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And our guests, that's what they share.
• 38:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They're experts on themselves.
• 38:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, Morgan, you have a lot of explaining to do.
• 38:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bryan, you have a lot of explaining to do.
• 38:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Scott, you have a lot of explaining to do.
• 38:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Leading an organization that has these individuals part of your organization.
• 39:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I ask you this, Scott Minor.
• 39:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Is the organization you're leading, is that is that still an organization that you that you're happy with?
• 39:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Is that are you happy?
• 39:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Are you happy now knowing that you have at least two individuals that we've uh discussed?
• 39:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And you know what?
• 39:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let's close it out strong.
• 39:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Von Ollman, also part of your organization, marries children.
• 39:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Can lie all you want about it, you can pretend that this uh that the sky isn't falling when it is, you can pretend it's not sunny when it is.
• 40:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Von Ollman marries children.
• 40:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is something that's publicly known across at least one state, if not more.
• 40:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And this information, and there's so much of it.
• 40:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The one article where Vaughn was gonna have one of his retreats, I guess is what he calls them.
• 40:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh the Salvation Army owned and owns, may own current day.
• 40:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This this was uh I think a couple years ago.
• 40:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so Vaughn was gonna have one of his retreats there.
• 40:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And this is way before Voices for Voices, so you can't even blame it on us.
• 40:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You can't say we're fabricating.
• 40:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh you can, but you're lying.
• 41:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I think by now there's a lot of people knowing that you're lying and have been lying for years and years and years.
• 41:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But the Salvation Army, once they they heard and they actually found out what you're doing, Vaughn, what did they do?
• 41:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They said, sorry, can't have your retreat here.
• 41:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's a fact.
• 41:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We've shown that.
• 41:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We showed that on one of our shows, I believe.
• 41:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We we did that.
• 41:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we are voices for voices.
• 41:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We are Voices for Voices publishing.
• 41:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Go purchase our comic book, the Atalan.
• 41:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You can spell that A-T-A-L-A-N.
• 41:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: David Solomon's writer, he's the author, content creator, songwriter, actor.
• 41:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's not there's not anything that I know of that he can't do in the entertainment space.
• 42:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And uh so this is his first uh first comic that he is uh he's he's written.
• 42:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so Voices for Voices Publishing.
• 42:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We have five five uh five written uh books for sale on Amazon.com.
• 42:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We did a TikTok the other night, and we actually went we went down the list sharing information about each one of those.
• 42:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So if you're looking for ideas for the holidays, check the age ranges.
• 42:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A lot of them you can get in print and in uh electronic Kindle form.
• 42:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I think there may be one or two that as of uh the filming of the show we we have in uh the uh the electronic Kindle version only at this point.
• 43:13
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• 43:18
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• 43:21
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• 43:38
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• 43:50
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• 44:25
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• 44:44
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• 45:00
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• 45:09
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• 45:20
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• 45:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're not fabricating, making making something of it's the truth.
• 45:33
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• 45:42
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• 46:07
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• 46:19
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• 46:34
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• 46:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We hope you have a blessed day.
• 46:39
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• 46:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we love everybody just uh just the same.
• 46:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So have a great rest of your your day, your evening, your afternoon, and you can you can uh just uh continue being yourselves and uh reaching out if you'd like to be on the show sometime.
• 47:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we'll see you next time.
• 47:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bye bye for now.