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Boiling Point | Richard Roose · Beheaded

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: Hey Elizabeth.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hey Megan.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_00: Guess what?
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's episode number four.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: Episode four.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: We made it to four.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't think we'd live past three.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: The fact we made it to four, I'm already proud of ourselves.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very proud of ourselves.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: And last time we told you guys we had a hundred listeners.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: We're up to 200.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, yes.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's not get technical.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: I learned there's a difference between listeners and listeners.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: Don't do that.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: But we have 200 listens.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, no.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: And 100 listeners.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, I think that makes it sound less cool, so let's just say we have 200 listeners.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Should I start over?
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, just that's fine.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna edit that part.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: Now I feel like 200 listeners.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like by saying that, we're saying in the last episode when we said we had 100 listeners, it would actually means like 40.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I just didn't know how to read the statistics at that point.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: Statistics are hard.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: But that's a big accomplishment yourself.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still really proud of it.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, 100 unique listeners.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: Listeners.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: 200 listens.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: And again, we're only uh some people want to listen twice.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: We're that good they want to listen again.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Including my boyfriend, because I had told him, hey, like, you haven't listened to an episode yet.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: He listened to the first episode, and I was like, oh my god, he's a listener.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna listen to all the episodes.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then I asked him again, I was like, Did you like episode number three?
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, Oh, was I supposed to listen past one?
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: So wow.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: So hi, um, maybe if you want to, maybe listen to all of them.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: Let me listen to all three, plus this one, number four.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yes, plus this one, and maybe the next one, maybe the next one.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: And the one after that.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because we're gonna have a few.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh really quick kicking it off.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, before you say that, I'm looking through my my notes because we're trying to follow notes now.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the first thing was introductions, and I think we skipped it.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think we skipped the introductions.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, hi, I'm Megan Moore.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: And this is Beheaded.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: And this is Beheaded.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: And we clearly have our shit together.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: We do.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: We always reference our notes, duh.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: Next up.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: Never mind.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: Number two on the list.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: We really don't do well with notes.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: We try, we try to keep on track.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: We do have an outline.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: We can all go on weird tangents.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: We do have an outline.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: And as you know, we love tangents here, but we do like to introduce ourselves.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, what's number two, Megan, on our list of outlines?
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: Once again, I forgot to mention something in our last episode.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, actually, this is important.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so no, side, like, we're not actually going off of our script thing that we have here.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: We don't have a script.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: We have notes, not a script.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: But we find ourselves doing this a lot.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: We think it might become a thing where we're there's always just like one extra thing we need to tell you guys after episode.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because we like debrief after episode and we're super excited.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, oh, that was great.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I like that we brought up this, we talked about this, we got through all the things we wanted to get through.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: Woo-hoo.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then, like, 12 hours later, one of us is like, oh.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's intentional because it's called a hook.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, sure, yeah.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's absolutely a hundred percent intentional.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: It is called a hook.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: We just have a different or like a cliffhanger.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: A cliffhanger.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: A cliffhanger ending.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: So we uh left a few things off last time that we really wanted to address.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: But again, now you can look forward to this every episode.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, listen next time because you'll get like one more tidbit of information on this story.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: So, Megan, I'll kick it to you to talk about uh the really important thing that we didn't address in the Captain William Kidd episode.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so for hopefully everybody listened to it, but in our last episode, we talked about Captain William Kidd, the pirate.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the really big things was he the reason he was arrested and executed was because they told him that he went after a French ship or it wasn't a French, no, I'm sorry.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: He thought it was a French ship.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was not a French ship, and he said there were the French papers.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: It was an Armenian ship.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he was like holding off the trial until he was like, no, we have these French papers, and if you just have these, the the French passes, and it'll prove to you that this was a French ship and I'm innocent.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: And they just mysteriously m went missing.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it wasn't too long later.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: I want to confirm what I'm saying.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, I actually thought you said it was a while later.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I was being sarcastic.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: It was quite a while later.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh a short time later, which actually meant hundreds of years later, um Megan's looking for the exact date.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: I want to say it was 1919.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: It was literally like recently, like in the last hundred years, probably.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was in, I believe it was 1919, they finally found the French passes passes.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: So they were real and it Oh, 1910.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: I saw that's fine.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: Found the passes in 1910 in some archives that were just um conveniently misfiled per se.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: And can you imagine the historian who came across that and they're like, wait, I think these are the passes that made up all of William Kidd's trial.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: So it's crazy.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what's funny is like I'm a conspiracy theorist sometimes, and I feel like it wasn't so much of a oops, here these are.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, for sure.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Or it was like like a puzzle that someone had to solve of like, go to this and you will find this thing, and then they had to fight follow a series of steps that led them to the passes and kind of like a treasure hunt.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was like this big national treasure moment where they're like, Oh, and like the lights went down and sound came up, and you know, there's a symphony playing in the background, and it was this whole thing of okay, now we discovered this.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: So, in my mind, that's what actually happened.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: I highly doubt it was some bumbling fool.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: There might have been like instrumental music in the background when we came across it.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: In my mind, there's always instruments.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: I live, yeah, I live my life through it.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: My score.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um Megan Moore's school.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: It was really fun doing an episode about pirates.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of different because I'm really into British history and tutor history, so it was kind of cool doing something totally different on pirates.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I like pirates.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, Megan loves pirates, and uh, we talked about this before, um, but we're gonna do like every four episodes or so is gonna be something tutor-related or more like you know, British related.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we like to vary it as you guys have seen.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: We've done different regions of the world, different time frames.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Eventually, we'll have like a timeline check-in so we can tell you like where we're at.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like in the course of history, these are all the things we've covered, and this is like the timeline of what they actually occurred.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: But another note, too, is that when I was talking to Megan after our pirate episode, she casually mentioned that she went to the Pirates premiere at Disneyland, and I was like, Oh wait, what?
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: You were really well I'm a huge Disney fan of this.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, A, you guys know I'm a Disney fan already, but B, this was like Megan and I have known each other for a very long time, and she just casually brought this up as if I knew and as if this wasn't a big deal.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Not that I went, but like I met Johnny No.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: She has the coolest thing ever.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: Johnny's auditor.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: I say met because we had it wasn't just a signature, it was like an exchange.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, also, really quick.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm gonna let I'm gonna let Megan tell the story, but just so you guys know, like the punchline, she has Johnny Depp's signature, she has Orlando Bloom's signature, and um Kira Knightley's like and Roseanne, she showed up.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, nobody should be.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: Roseanne Barr showed up.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's go.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a collection of random people.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: People don't care about that.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: Random collection of people showed up.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna let Megan tell her story.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, this was really cool.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I was 16, the year is 2006.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: We're going back.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was I went to the premiere twice.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: I went to the second one and the third one.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: But for the second one, I got never mind.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's multiple part movies.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: And we're talking about parts of the Caribbean.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: We should clarify.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: We say pirates, but that means the Caribbean.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: The movie.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I so I was 16.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: I kid you not, we got to Disneyland at 3 a.m.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: The gates opened at 6, so we were like standing first in line for three hours, got through the gates at 6, and staked out our spot for the best spot for the premiere.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: I have a question.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Did you just buy passes to the premiere?
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was okay.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: Were you a Disneyland pass holder?
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was a pass holder and just got him for free.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I could use my Disney pass that.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I mind you, this was also 2006 when the deluxe pass was like$200.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: Real quick side note tangent, which we always do.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: Disneyland has way hiked up their prices.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: I love you, Disney.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: I will always love you.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: You're still hiking them up.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: My God.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I thought by this age, like 31 years old, I would obviously have like a lot of people.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: I thought I could afford it by now.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're just making it harder for us to afford it.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when I was in college, again, like a deluxe was like, oh, 160 or something, included parking.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: It was ridiculous.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: And my mom would easily just be like, Here, honey, yeah, here, pay for Disneyland pass all year.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: We were teenagers in Southern California, and that's just what you did.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: And that was my like Christmas gift every year was a Disney pass.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it was easy.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: And you had parking included and everything, and 10% off of all of the merchandise and the food.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: And now it's like so expensive, and they have tiers of pricing per day if you don't have a pass.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's way different than the Disneyland of your there's a Starbucks at Main Street, not a fan.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's been there for a while.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like a few years, but not like since we were there.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, that's I just you know, we digress, but I'm just upset about that.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: Disney, if you're listening, maybe like help the legacy people get away.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we'll get free passes because we dropped Disney's name.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe kick in like we should be nicer about them.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: We love Disney.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, I already said I love Disney.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: This is nothing against them, it's just the fact that I thought I'd be richer to handle.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I got there at 6 a.m.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: and then we we had the best spot.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: Someone's my best friend, and her name is Jamie.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Jamie.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, cool, Jamie.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: We were not Elizabeth.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I didn't know you back then.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm kidding, God.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: But we got right in front of the cameras.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: We were like right there in the scene.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: Where in Disneyland were you?
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: It was on Main Street.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: On Main Street, okay.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: So we got we the way we were sitting.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know how there's the like little cul-de-sac right when you walk in.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: And we were caddy corner to like the fire station.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, cool.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: So we were right at the corner when it Main Street starts.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just a mass of people, or were there like stands?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: A mass of people.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: No, there weren't stands.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: It was just a mass of people, and there was the they put the red carpet all the way down Main Street.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: And by the time Johnny Depp showed up, because I remember it was he was very late, and the premiere started about 5 p.m.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: Typical Johnny.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I got there at 3 a.m.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: By 5 p.m.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: the premiere started, but Johnny didn't show up till like 9 o'clock at night.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: And we didn't they give you food?
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: No, we were standing there starving, and we had- This is also a form of torture.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: We got some like watermelon from Trader from what was it, Trader Sam's or Trader Sams?
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, wait, no, Trader Sams is in Disneyland Hotel.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: You went over there.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, where's the one in Adventureland?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, hold on.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Bangle Barbecue.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: The Trading Post.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Trading Post.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: So Johnny Depp finally comes and he comes up to me and he's ready to sign my autograph.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: And his assistant person was like, no, no, no, you're late.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have time for autographs.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: You have to keep going.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: And he does the like, sorry, love.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I sorry love.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: I lose my mind.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: I just start.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: A, I'm exhausted.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm 16.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: I had Johnny Depp posters all over my bedroom.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: I have the entire set of the original 21 Jump Street.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: I have every single Johnny Depp movie, anything.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: I have a VHS of anytime he was like on Oprah or anything, I would record it.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm obsessed with you.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: I was.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, what's eating Gilbert Great?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: So he so I just lose my mind.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm tired, I'm hungry, I've been standing.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: I and then he comes up and then he's like, oh sorry, and I just lose my mind.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: So he looks at me and he goes, and this moment of compassion on his face, and he does this little like prayer hands, and he goes, and he mouths me from the distance.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, I'll come back for you.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'll come back for you.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: And that gentleman came back for me.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: And no, he did not.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so I had a moment with Johnny.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: How long from the time that he like did prayer hands and leaving you to him coming back to you?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: The rest of the premiere still went on.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: It was like 20 minutes or two hours.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Hours.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: And you waited.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: I was not giving up.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: I got home about two in the morning, I think.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: So he probably went back to you because you're the only person left.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: I was up for more than 24 hours.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Pathetic Megan.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: But that's but you got it.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: But you met him.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: And what do you say next time?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: So okay, you do tell the story.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: He said he came back.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Love, you don't have to cry so much.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's what he said to me.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because I probably look like a wreck.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's probably like, good God, someone help this girl.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: Someone please give this girl an autograph and a picture.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: I will say, and I I think when Megan told me the story before we started uh um recording, I I told her, I was like, you know what?
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's like an awesome move if you're a celebrity to just pretend like you're super busy and being pulled away all the time.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, I'm sorry, it's not me, it's my assistant.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like your agent's like, oh god, he can't, he can't.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, just back away, he can't do it.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then he comes back and is like, no, I'm gonna do this for her.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because then you've seen like this knight in shining armor and people love you for it.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I would do that if I was famous tomorrow and people were like, Oh, like Elizabeth, like, oh, Miss Black, like your signature, and I'd be I'd have like you, or maybe not you're in the meanwhile.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, wait, not you because you'd also be famous, but like someone else be like, no, no, Miss Black's too busy, she can't, and then someone else, or then I come back later and I'm like, no, no, I always have time for a fan.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: For a fan, yeah, for a 16-year-old.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: For a 16 year old who's wailing, hungry, hangry, who's by herself in her Disneyland hoodie, drenched.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: I was a really cute lucky brand, yellow top buttons.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, sorry.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I could stand out on e News, which happened.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that was the Johnny Depp story.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: And did you you met also, well, not met, but in a few years.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: I smelled Orlando Bloom Farm Pit.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Ew.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because he reached over me to like sign someone, and my face got up to Farm Pit, and I just I had such a crush on him.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: I still duh.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone does.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: I love Orlando Orlando Bloom if you're listening.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: Him as will.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Him as well.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um execution.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: Back to episode number four and what we're talking about.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: Episode number four.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: We've got a good one.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: This is a cool one.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: So, this is probably one of the more gruesome ones we've done because so far, if we think about it, we've done guillotine hangings.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: There was a stone or pressing, rather.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: Pressing.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: Pressing involved, and then another hanging, which involved gibbeting, but like nothing too like weird.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is all stuff we've heard about.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone knows these standard executions.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think all these executions were about just killing the person.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was their form of like lethal injection.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's the fastest way to just snap this person's neck, cut off their head, whatever.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: This one is not.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: This one is death by boiling.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: And specifically, we're gonna be talking about um Richard Roos.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: And Richard Roos was a cook for John Fisher, who was a bishop in the Tudor era.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll talk to all of about his story.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we'll first like kind of kick it off with just what is death by boiling?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, who does this?
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: When did they do it?
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: What does it mean?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Death by boiling, that is awesome.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: And when you you're trying to grasp your mind, what do we mean by boiling?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: We mean literally a cauldron full of water that somebody gets steeped into and they boil to death.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's not only just water, it's tar, like a freaking lobster.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oil they use like lard, like fat.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't know why.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: I uh maybe it has a higher boiling point or gets hotter.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the reasoning is, but but they would use fat sometimes, so they would sing over like that's I'm making these weird noises going on.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Megan, this isn't like cooking one-on-one.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, lobster.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, back to boiling.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, so they basically did a cauldron or a kettle with water, oil, tar, anything that they could just boiling hot.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: Big cauldron.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: So there's actually one.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: There's one in a historical museum in the Netherlands.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: And they have, yes, it's displayed on the outside of the wall.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'll put a picture of it on Instagram.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: But there's And you should like it.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, and you should like it, and you should comment on it, and you should do all of that good stuff.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: But we're not desperate.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: We're not desperate.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: But there is a big cauldron that they actually used for an execution to boil someone.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: But this was a rare type of to execute someone.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's this isn't like a common, a common thing.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: And probably there's one famous execution by boiling.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Which is Richard Roosevelt.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Which is Richard Roos, and we have to talk about him.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, he did not die of the noose.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: He died like a goose.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: He was boiled like a goose.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: We came up with all these rhymes while we were doing our mic testing, and I was really proud of it.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: We just honestly did not pine.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: He was boiled like a goose.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're like eight mile over here.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: But what would they they would do is they'd usually lower the person with like a hook and pulley system just like slowly into the liquid.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um and we were gonna talk about this too, like in in the tutor show on Showtime.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, they ask him if they want he wanna go like feet first or head first, but I don't know if that was a thing really.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think they just kind of put in the thing on that.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we couldn't find any information on like if the person had a preference of which way they would go into the the water or the vat of whatever it is.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um so but it was yeah, they were just lowered with a pulley, sometimes fast, sometimes dipped like several times, slow, sometimes slow.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we even were looking uh at a period of time like in uh in Asia, there was a martyr in like the Delhi area, and he refused to accept Islam, and his punishment was death by boiling.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: And instead of putting him in like a hot thing of water, they actually put him in a thing of cold water.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's so cool.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: And slowly heated it up.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: So with a fire underneath it or I don't know.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I imagine because it's just not like they had, you know, electronic like stove.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: So then they just let him it's kind of like a hot tub, and you're like, okay, this is okay.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: At first it's cold.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: Too hot.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's enough.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's enough.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's good.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, please stop.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: And would they like tie him inside of it?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: There was no yeah, no details, but I imagine, I mean, maybe it was the same hook and pulley system, maybe he was tied down or like you know, pressed down somehow into it.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, but they literally were just like, here's where you are in this cold water, you have to just like wait until the water heats up, and then it's like lukewarm and then warm and then hot and then scolding and then you're dead.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're on fire.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: I can't imagine.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, again, like like Megan said, this was not a thing that was super common.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was used a lot in the Middle Ages and the Roman times for mostly people who were like counterfeited coins, which is a weird punishment to me, I think.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: To be boiled for that?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you're gonna like counterhand off or something.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Cut a body part off or do something that marks.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Let's be let's be nice.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: But um, but they would boil a lot of like that.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: Was a kind of a common, not common, but again, like one of the punishments in the Middle Ages was that they'd boil you if you were a person who counterfeited money.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it really wasn't standard practice, but it was it was brought back around the time of the 1500s, again, in the Tudor era, and Richard Roos was really the reason why they brought it back.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: And there's this whole story which we're gonna go through.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um excited.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited because I I know I keep saying this, but the tutors are the one of the reasons I started this podcast because I really just I know I really just like the only I have a problem.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: The only books I can read are about the tutors.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's so many of these big executions we're gonna talk about.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: We have to, but we want to start it and trickle it, and we're just gonna dribble in a little bit of a little bit of Henry VIII here.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I do understand there's probably, and hopefully a lot of our listeners are kind of familiar.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, familiar with it.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm hashtagging everything like tutor history and all of that.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: But hopefully, like some of you kind of know the the background of the tutors, but I also want to be sensitive to those who are new to this, and and we appreciate you.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, please stay, listen, we're gonna teach you everything.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like my boyfriend.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, maybe don't know a lot about the tutors, like, okay, I think that's King Henry VIII, and so we'll we'll we'll kind of go over an overview of what's going on at this time, and this might be really basic for some people, but I also think we need this full story to understand where Mr.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Roos is coming from.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: So the year is 1531.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: 1531 at this time, Henry is full swing in love with Anne Boleyn.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's his 22nd year of reign.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: 22nd year, and he's still married to his first wife, Catherine of Aragon.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Aragon.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: I say Aragorn like Aragorn.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's not Lord of the Ring.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: I know, I know that.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: I only copy the way to say it based on the tutors.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: No, based off of other historians.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Arigan.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Aragon.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: This is our pronouncement.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, you shouldn't.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, we're not gonna make it a thing this time.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: This time we got it.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: We were gonna be cool.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Arigan, we're cool.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so Henry is trying to find a reason to divorce Catherine so he can marry the love of his life, Anne Boleyn, who we know really works out well for him.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: The loveliest lady of his time.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so obsessed with Anne Boleyn.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: She knows, like we're gonna get real into the Boleyn, so don't worry.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: All of the all of you who've been waiting for like a Boleyn episode.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: It'll come.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Just we're not ready yet.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're I'm still soaking it all up.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we have to really build up to to Lady Anne, Queen Anne.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: But so Henry is trying to break away from the Catholic Church.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's his only way.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh England at this point is Catholic, they don't allow divorce.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: His only way to get rid of his first wife, move on to sexy little Anne is to break from the Catholic Church and create the Church of England.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: And there are those who are not so on board with this.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: Surprisingly.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: Surprisingly, some hard to get a lot of cafe with that.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: And one of those people was um Bishop Fisher.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: So John Fisher was the bishop in this time.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh we'll we'll touch on his life a little bit again throughout our Tudor Chronicles.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but for this story, all you need to know is that the person we're talking about, Richard Roos, who was in fact um executed by Boiling, was his cook.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Which I think, which is yeah, interesting because like everyone knows, well, not everyone, but the people who know the story know him as a cook.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's not really confirmed that he was actually a cook.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Some people also saw his say his name was Richard Cook.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that might have been a nickname.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think his name was Richard.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Some also say that he was the friend of the cook.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so he might have been the friend of a cook.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: He might have just been a person like associated with a family who's in the kitchen a lot.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: We're not really sure.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but for purposes of our story, we're gonna call him the cook.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna call him the cook of John Fisher, who's the Bishop of Rochester.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Bishop of Rochester.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot of conspiracy that people wanted the bishop, Bishop Fisher, dead because he was not agreeing to Henry's whole plan of divorcing Catherine by separating himself from the Catholic Church.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was probably the main nema nemesist, really.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: Of the separation of the world.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: I would say that.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: So there's already a lot of people who might be after Fisher, including maybe King Henry himself.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we don't know.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the Belands.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of going back and forth about that.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: But in the end, what we do know is there was a white powder used in porridge at a dinner party in 1531.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: I have the actual date.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: It was uh February.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: February 18th, 1531 was the dinner party.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, so so uh the um bishop had hosted this dinner party and again had a a plethora of people there, and what was common is the cooks would make the food for the party, but they'd also give the food to people that were begging at the door for scraps, like alms for the poor type of thing.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: And they like the rest of the household kind of got the leftovers and all of that.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: So Which is so funny that they say it's porridge because that sounds like the gross like was it a breakfast dinner?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like was porridge like was it like a starter course or maybe dessert?
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like porridge would be maybe it was a sleepover and then they all got porridge the next morning.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: That could have been.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it was we don't know if it was daytime or nighttime or when this porridge was consumed.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: If I were having a dinner party, I'd feel like it'd be like a drunk food later in the night.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, like a like a 2 a.m.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: type of we just played like we had lunch catchphrase and now we're gonna catch phrasing some porridge.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we've had some drinks, and maybe we're just you know starting to get into never have I ever, and I'm like, wait.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then like Tiffany is throwing up, so you're like, here, have some porridge to hold it down.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what Tiffany.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: But so what they do know is there so Richard Roos was the cook, supposedly, but he poisoned the porridge that was going to all the dinner guests that night, which was all the people really that are friends with Bishop John Fisher and all the people supposedly who would be against the king wanting a divorce.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: And sorry.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I was just gonna say too, um, we we don't know much about Richard Roos's life.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about this um before we started recording, but we were saying that uh in this era, if you were not someone of nobility, someone who wasn't born into a high family, no one knew much about you.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: You had zero history until you became again a part of these larger stories, a part of these larger events.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody cared about a cook in the kitchen.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, nobody cared when you were born, yeah, how many like wives you had, how many kids you had, like nothing.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: There's really no history on it unless someone decides to write about you back in the day, which again, think about it.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, everyone's illiterate.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: No one can you know what I mean?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: No one can read or write.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not like there was another cook in the kitchen who was like, you know what?
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: I love my friend Richard, I'm gonna write a book about him.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: They probably didn't know how to read or write.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's the point.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: So so history really is limited to the nobility.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like only people we only know the famous people.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: They they write a book.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Not really social media.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think this era is completely opposite, where it doesn't matter who you are, if you have access to a phone or a computer or whatever, you can write your whole friggin' life story.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you know what I mean.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: So you're saying like there's people might not have documents and everything now.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like back then they didn't even have birth certificates.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like people didn't know.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, even with Anne Boleyn, some people don't even know from year of her her birth.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: So it's funny that like here in this day and age, you see an Instagram a day of your friend's baby.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: You can you can be the one to chronicle every event that baby went to.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we don't know anything else.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but this poor Richard Roos who had a you know a whole life that we don't know about.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: We again we just we don't know.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know how he died.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: We just know his really gruesome death, but at least he was famous for something.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean for him.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Would you have a life where you were nobody and maybe you were just known for your death?
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um it depends on how I die.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know if I want to be boiled to death, but if it's like something cool, I don't know.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's no it's noteworthy.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: Shoot.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: So So again, so to s we hate to like condense his life into just this execution, but we don't know anything.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: We just know that you know he there was rumors that he was potentially given this white powder.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know if he made it, we don't know if he got it from somebody, we don't know if he was bribed.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: We just know that it ended up in the porridge of these people.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the result 17 people got very ill, only two people died.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's that's a pretty good uh ratio ratio of only only two deaths.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: But one was a one was someone actually at the dinner party, and then one was a beggar.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: A beggar, someone who got the leftovers afterwards, which is really nice, you know, being a someone of the church, I'm glad they gave away some of those some of the porridge.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: And this is kind of a random point, but if he is in fact trying to poison the bishop or his dinner party, I feel like he might be a little nicer to the poor.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, you're not involved in this political thing we've got going on.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, did he I I don't know.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: The porridge thing is kind of funny because it's like here's the I'm putting into the porridge, and everyone has to be able to do it.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone, the whole castle.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing too Fisher didn't eat the porridge! No, and they don't know why.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: They think maybe he was fasting that day.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: He might have been fasting.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: There's uh notes that say that he was very busy at work that day, and whenever he gets kind of like high strung about work, he doesn't eat.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: That happens too.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like I invite a party over, I'm upstairs, I'm like, guys, really working on this one thing.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Megan's terrible hostess.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: Just have your have your fun downstairs.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: But that's kind of cool that so there was actually two assassination attempts on Bishop Fisher.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: Who we'll get into him, but he also had a not so great ending.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, we'll have a separate episode on that.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: Whole episode.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna hear about Fisher later on.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: But um, in the meantime, he's thriving right now.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: But um, wow, really?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, out of all of it, he didn't eat it.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: And that drives me crazy.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm sure some people, and hopefully, after you you listen to this, you'll watch it's the first episode of season two of The Tutors and Richard Noose, they do this whole scene.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: And sweet little Sir Thomas More is there, and he's also like, no, no, I'm fine.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, didn't want they put it in like a soup.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's not true.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Thomas Moore wasn't there, that was not he was sure.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, according to the tutors on Showtime, Thomas More was there.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: We don't think he was there.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: According to anything we found, he was not a notable person that was there.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but but yeah, oh yeah, but then they instantly arrest the cook because who else is to blame if if everyone just got violently ill, two people just died.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so they arrest the cook immediately.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: And we were discussing this too because just as a like a preamble to our uh recording, we were like, let's just watch that like snippet of the tutors to just refresh our memories.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then we were watching it and we were like, we're like, okay, they literally took like two sips of soup and immediately all started and heaving and then they all end up dead, they're all just lying dead around the table.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: And we were like, okay, in reality, like if you actually were to eat something like this, yeah, yeah, it killed two people, but it only like affected 17.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Some really bad diarrhea.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: You probably would just like walk away from the dinner, like that was a nice meal, and then you would go home and be like, My stomach doesn't feel super great, and have your evolution of like an a bad evening.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I mean it's funny that in the movie or the show they obviously portray it as like this.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, everyone just instantly falls down dead around him.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't think that happens.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so either, but it still was pretty gruesome.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: So this I love this.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't love this.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: I do, I do.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: He gets tortured for his info, yeah.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because they're like they had to know like a low-life cook of the household, he's not gonna be someone like really making this political rising on his own, and it had to have been for a reason, and it's like no coincidence that at the time Bishop Fisher is in the middle of this whole scandal with Henry and the divorce.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: So they're like, their first thing is who gave you the poison?
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: You're doing this for someone, right?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: And he just kept saying, I thought it was a laxative.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I thought it was a joke.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: I meant to just give this as a prank, haha, harmless.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you want to get harmed by it.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I was saying this too earlier.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's so funny because when you're a cook, you're part of that household.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's not just like a these days where you have a job and you might hit your boss and you might do something to upset them.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you're living in this household.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: You only know the people you work with who also work and live in the household, and you know the family very well.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's known that you're of a lower status, and you just kind of accept that at this point.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: So for you to have the like, you know, balls to just be like, you know what?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna poison my master and like you're out of work.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck all these people.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're out of work, you're out of a home.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, God knows what could happen to you.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: You have no yeah, like just for survival, you might need to stay there and cook.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you might be screwing over everyone in the house if you make this mistake.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: And like, yeah, if you if you had some crazy, you know, vendetta against your master, obviously we're all human, that might happen.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: But overall, that was also a form of security, you know.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Stockholm syndrome.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, yeah, my master's great.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: But they for sure, I think, knew that it wasn't just him, there was someone else behind it.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where it gets real juicy because in the the version on the tutors, they very blantly make it Anne Boleyn's father and her brother are all behind it.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: But that's not so far from the truth.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like we said, like history's written by nobility.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: So who knows, you know.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: The Boleyns were behind it.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: It could have been a Boleyn thing, we're not sure.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he he did get put on the rack.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: He did.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: They put him on the rack to torture the information.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, well.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, but um, they did put him on the rack to uh get the information out of him.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't know what a rack is, it's basically where they um, you know, fix your hands to rope one way and your feet to rope the opposite direction, and they just continue to pull, like, turn this wheel that stretches you out.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: So you literally at some point like your stroll like your shoulders out of your sockets.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like you literally, yeah, things are just popped out of your body because you're literally being stretched.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like maybe at first it's kind of comfortable.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: You're not like um Gonzo and we I keep referencing Muppet Treasure Island.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: This is embarrassing to forgive.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: But they do that have multiple Muppet Treasure Islands, and he's all loosey goosey.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're not, and we've also the second time we've said loosey goosey.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, she's a smile like loosey goosey and Muppet Treasure Icon.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: But but she's right.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're not a Muppet.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you're not like Gonzo, where your limbs are just gonna be loose and flexible afterwards.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, it's probably gonna hurt, and you're probably gonna, you know, maybe be not the same afterwards.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: Probably maybe die.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: Probably die.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so anyway, so they racked him first for the information.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then finally, when he wouldn't really give up a name, like the only thing he would say is that a stranger gave me this powder.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's the only real information they can.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: At least he he did confirm it wasn't from himself.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: There was someone else in the so oh my gosh, that means someone got away with it though.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean nothing happened.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, how we don't really know who gave it to him, so we can't really say if they got away with it.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: But have if Fisher actually died, then they would have I mean it was kind of an unsuccessful thing to get um but Henry was pissed over this.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Henry was uh kind of a known to be very eighth.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Henry VIII, he was he was known to be very much like overly suspicious about food poisoning.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: He he had this this thing where he always always convinced people were trying to, you know, out to get him, which rightfully so, and poison his food.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: So he always had like tasters and people testing food for him.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: He was very paranoid about this whole thing.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: So when he heard this, wait, let's uh so when you say tasters, hopefully maybe some people know what you're referring to, but food tasters, he would have people eat his food, and this wasn't just him, there were a lot of things.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: There was a lot of monarchy and important people who would do this who thought that someone might be out there to poison them.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: They would have somebody to taste their food prior to them eating it.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I actually read that sometimes they would um give it a like an hour or so.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: So they would have that person eat it, and then they would kind of entertain the rest of the guests and have music and dancing.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I think.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then, yeah, and then once they're like, okay, I think they're good, then they would serve it to everyone else.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes they would test it on animals too, they would give it to rabbits or whatever, you know, to to make sure the food was okay.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they'd go sweet little dog.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then they came back as witch dogs.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: See episode two.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Episode two.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Devil dogs.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: Devil dogs.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, yeah, I mean, I feel like um started talking, I lost my train of thought.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: What were we talking about?
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we were talking about him.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, Henry being paranoid.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, okay, I have two theories as to why he reacted the way.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Reacted the way it was, and we'll talk about his reaction.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll we'll say that.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: So his reaction was um he went to parliament and created a new act.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: Then this is after already arresting um Richard Roos and knowing that there was a poison attempt.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: He puts an act into place to make this death sentence for poisoning someone high treason.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: And the punishment is being boiled alive.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Boiled alive, which is fair.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of, I just like how ironic that is.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: Your cook gets boiled.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: And you get boiled.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like the lobster.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like a lobster who gets thrown in the water and streaks for death.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Man.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: I told a I told a friend at work today, I was like, oh, we're gonna do a podcast recording tonight about death by boiling and Richard Roos.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, oh my god, are you guys gonna have a lobster and discuss what it's like?
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: We could have had the lobsters screaming in the background.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds awful.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because they kind of screech that happens to it.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they do.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: They apparently I've never heard it, but apparently they emit a scream like you throw a live lobster in hot wild, which is sad that we still kill lobsters that way.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we just have to do that.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: Not that I'm like, you know, I mean, I know.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not like a crazy, oh, like animal rights person, but it is sad.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean Well, I Google image search, death by boiling, and I got a first a lot of really gross images, but there's a lot of lobster images.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: So everyone, save the lobsters.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: If you do eat lobster, make sure they're humanely killed.
• 37:46
  unknown: I don't know.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who would do that.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they have a mini like the mini guillotines you discussed in the first episode.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they just mini guillotine the lobster and guillotine and then boil to death.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Quick little death, and then he's boiled, and then you get to enjoy.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody eats the head of a lobster anyway.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Let us know if your claw people are tail people.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm personally a claw person.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Are you a tail person?
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um we're talking about the cook, we're talking about the boiling, we talked about the lobsters.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, no lobsters in this episode.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, to make the sentence boiling, which is pretty intense there.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: But oh, that's what I was getting getting at.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I think there's one of two reasons, or maybe both of them, why he went that far.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think the first was he was actually afraid of someone poisoning him.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: And he really wanted to make an example.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, paranoia, amongst a lot of other paranoias that he had about like sickness and the plague.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's a strange guy.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's a very interesting man.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: Get into that.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I think that he had to set an example with Richard Roos and say, if you try to poison me, this is what will happen to you.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's why he made it so gruesome because it wasn't just like, oh, you're hanged, or oh, you would lose an arm.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: You are fucking boiled.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: Boiled to death.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: Terrifying.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then I think the second part was there was some suspicion that maybe he was behind it or the Boleyns were behind it, which he was with Anne at the time, Anne Boleyn.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, maybe he had to kind of cover himself, like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: I was how strict I am.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was not a part of this.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: Poor Richard, or or I'm sorry, poor, poor John Fisher almost got poisoned.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: I need to set an example with this guy.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that or he was guilty about it because maybe he knew about the poisoning beforehand.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: So his guilt just got to him, and he's like, I gotta do something.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe, yeah, maybe on part it's to prove that he's not affiliated with it, and maybe in part it's just because he does feel guilty, but I don't know.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Knowing this guy, I don't know how much guilt he has on his conscience.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, out of all the people that he executed, but this is one of the most unique and creative ones.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, very strange.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so we'll get to the actual boiling.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was just as you'd imagine.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it wasn't we talked about this because we weren't sure if it in fact was public.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: We think it was just with his household, which was somewhat of a public thing.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of people there, there's you know, men and women of different ages.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's not a full-on thing in the town square, but they literally, again, had a life-size, human-sized cauldron just sitting there.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't we didn't confirm if it was oil or water or what it was, but it was boiling liquid, and they had a poolie.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: And fun fact, and preview of the last episode, he was giveted, which he was gibbeted, you all know what a givet is.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it makes sense.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like they had to put him into like restrain him and yeah, they had to restrain him because you can't just you know lower him in with a rope or something.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, anything could happen, he could escape, who knows?
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, as a protective mechanism, they put him in a gibbet, they lowered him slowly into the water where he boiled.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I really liked it in the show, and I know I keep referencing this because I think it's one of the only visuals we have of Richard Roos, but I love how the executioner said, Do you want to go head first or however it comes?
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, I don't know how he responds, but he doesn't go head first.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so what would you do?
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: Would you want to go head first if you had the choice?
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like everyone I've asked this question to, most people are head first people because, like, oh, you die fast or you get over with, but you could possibly drown.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: I get it, but I don't think so.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think you drown in the world.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Would you swallow boiling water?
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think I d that seems more gruesome to me.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like and I don't know if this is true, I don't know how long it takes, but I feel like if you go in feet first, there's a chance that like maybe you just start to bleed out and pass out.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Would you bleed though?
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: So what they say, I say they, as in Google says, that the way you would die is your like your fat burns off first.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: So you happens in like stages, like the more you have, the longer it takes to get to you.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you're a chubby person, and I feel bad for like you know, yeah, chubby people.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: You got some more fat on you.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: We've already talked about if you're fat and you're thrown into a water and you're you rise to the top, you're a witch, and now we're talking about if you're chubby or it takes longer to die.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's just unfortunate.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's really bad.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: And what if the givet doesn't fit?
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're chubby?
• 42:14
  unknown: Yeah.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe the different size givets.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they fit you first.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a custom gibbet that they make for you.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's what we could make.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: Custom gibbets for ourselves.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: For fun.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: For fun in my living room.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna do that.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: But well, really quick back to the gibbet too.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: If you are in fact lowered into like a vat of boiling water or oil or whatever, and you're in a gibbet, like not only are you boiling, but the steel or iron or whatever.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's getting hot.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like hot.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: So not only are you just boiling because of the liquid, now you're also having to deal with the fact that there's like metal burning against your skin at the same time.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't like avoid it.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: You can't just like stand in the middle and avoid the sides of it.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then also, like, is your blood, like literally, is your blood boiling at that point?
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think you're I think you start to have so many flesh wounds and whatever that your blood starts to just exit your body.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's just Oh, also don't Google search boil because you get like weird, gross like skin boils of people with like pus coming out.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, gross.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's gross.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't I don't Google image these things Megan does apparently.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I have to find photos for our Instagram and I have to keep it very and uh appropriate.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: And just as a quick little teaser, um we talk kind of about the like you know, the physiological things that happen to you.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: We're actually gonna have on a real life doctor friend that we know who has after listening to a few episodes, he's like, oh my gosh, I'd love to come on your podcast and talk about the physical things that happen to your body when you're executed.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: So we're really excited about that.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: So he's gonna show up in a few segments in the future.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, wait for him.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: We were we were thinking about launching him in this episode, but we're not ready yet because we have other segments we want to get to first.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, give the medical perspective.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: I am curious like what happens to your body when That's a question for a director.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: So they say it took two hours for him to get boiled to death.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: That I don't understand.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: That I don't understand.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because they also said that they they um lowered him in and out, like they kind of steeped him like you would a T by T.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: They said they they did that three times.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: So is it two hours from start of like Well, I think maybe from the beginning of like your getting chaining him up and everything and like taken to it and maybe reciting your last, you know, whatever you want.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: Which I don't even know if he had, because he was also like a low life.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think he did have a last speech.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: I want I don't I don't know what it was, in fact.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, but I I read something.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh you do?
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh you do.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: I swear to you, there was something that he said as he was being lowered into it.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a prayer or um The one thing I do have is kind of going back to if this was public or maybe just the people around him, but there was um a source who described what the death looked like, or at least how people reacted.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, and I quote, he roared mighty loud, and divers women were big with child, did feel sick at the sight of what they saw, and were carried away half dead.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: And other men and women did not seem frightened by the boiling alive, but would prefer the to see the headsman at his work.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: Which makes me think some people were just bored by it.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, I'm sorry, no blood.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like I wanted, okay, I see him, and now he's in the big cauldron.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe he just goes in the cauldron and nobody sees anything else, and it's all like the behind-the-scenes stuff.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: They want to see the blood.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you're an aerial view, that would be more interesting.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: I love how they were specific about the women who were big with child.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, those are the only two.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: Those were the ones who were sick at the site.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, maybe they were also eight months pregnant and had the morning sickness.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, so that's how he he went down, was in the Gibbet, in the boiling cauldron.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and again, there was a lot of witnesses to see this really gruesome site.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, we don't know much else about whether his family was spared, whether if he did, in fact, take a bribe, if it was beneficial at all.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully, his family got some money for it.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully, after something like that.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I mean, if you're a cook and you do something like that, you kind of know that.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he had to have known it was kind of like he had to have known the risk to doing that, that he could get caught.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_00: People point back to the cook, and I hope he got a good payout from whoever gave him.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I hope whatever he wanted to accomplish, he accomplished uh Thomas Boleyn, George Boleyn, Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: And well, they all meet their end.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about that in later episodes.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: The the one cool, well, I guess it's cool, but um Henry VIII's son, Edward VI, repealed the act of boiling alive if you try to poison someone.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: We only saw a couple other incidences of when this happened.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: One was a Margaret Davy, but we have very, very little on her.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: All we saw was she poisoned, oh uh first of all, it's a woman, that's kind of badass.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she seriously poisoned her employer and got boiled to death, yeah, in 1547, which was the same year that Henry VIII died.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think there was much more after that.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: So when I referenced that martyr earlier, um, who who died because he was in cold water and was turned to hot water, that was in 1675.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: So that was a little bit later, but I think that's the last thing on record that we have.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um there was a lot of things.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, what talk about what happened with that one though?
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, not that one.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: There was a separate one.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: So there was yeah, so there was a separate one in 1420 in Scotland.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's the one you're referring to.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's the one I like.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: So there were there was this sheriff in town who was kind of known for how strict he was with his like, you know, uh taking out of rules or whatever.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like Robin Hood.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, no, he was a sheriff.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like the sheriff not an ambulance.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: But but it wasn't like the you know, people who were poverty stricken, it was the nobleman who actually retaliated against the sheriff and they threw him into this giant kettle, boiled him alive, and apparently, like as legend has it, the nobles ate his.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: Or they like drank, like they brought spoons that he to drink.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: They actually, and it wasn't like a oh, we're all jacked up and energized, we're gonna like have a drink of this guy.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: They brought spoons there knowing this was gonna happen.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: They brought spoons to have spoonfuls of the brew after he was boiled.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, that was an interesting one we read.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: We were like, And then there's some incidences in Asian culture.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, very few.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like I said, the main one was the one uh in in India.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: That was the same one I kept referencing, but nothing else, super notable.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, yeah, it w it was kind of well known.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: The only thing was uh some of the the ones in Asia, they were more public.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so like if it happened to you, it could apparently happen to your entire family.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it was similar, and it was like a lot of the punishments that I saw in the Asian culture, they weren't so much of oh, you tried to poison someone or you tried to do this or you did something bad.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: It a lot of the punishments were because you failed to do something.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: So like you were supposed to kill a warlord, or you're supposed to kill it's even worse.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it was like you didn't fulfill your duty, you you failed a task.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: So in Asian culture, sometimes it was typical that you would get boiled because you didn't do something correctly, and that was your punishment.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes, again, your whole family would die too.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: Poor guys, yeah, really intense.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I think that kind of wraps up a lot of the things we had on um Mr.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: Richard Roos and our story of the day in terms of boiling by death, or death by boiling rather.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um we have a segment for tonight, but we do have a segment.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so our segment tonight, we wanted to talk about um if the punishment fits the crime.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: So this is kind of a fun one we talked about, and we talked about this like very first when we started like thinking about this podcast and what we wanted to do with it.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: We thought it'd be really funny to talk about things that really bother us in like current culture.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, again, if if this was maybe like what's that movie, The Purge, the new like horror movie.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, I can't watch it.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I've never seen it.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: I like horror films, but I can't do that.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_01: Again, that I feel like that's a little young for us, but but I feel like it's kind of one of those movies where like if you were to decide like who were to go.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, here it's like what torture you would do, you get boiled.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so in this example is punishment fits the crime.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: If you were to boil or poison someone, you would be forced to boil alive.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: So our whole thing is things that we hate in current culture and what we would do to punish these people.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: Can I go first?
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: You always go first.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're right.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, you're right.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Ms.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Moore has the floor.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, it's Megan.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's awkward.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: This is why I go first.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really just stalling because I I forgot what I was gonna say.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Megan.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: Megan, I like I like really quick.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: I put a lot of thought into my segments and what I'm gonna say.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: Megan just like off the cuff tries to have something super fancy and creative.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: I have it.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, here she is.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: People.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, is this Megan?
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_00: This is Megan.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, continue.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: People who talk in public areas on speakerphone.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: Turn speakerphone off.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't need to hear what the other person is saying in the grocery.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're like in the grocery store down the aisle and they're on speaker.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: Where have you seen this?
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: The grocery store.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: Airports.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: The gym.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: The gym.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: I was on an elliptical with someone who's on speaker phone and she came up after me.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like I know you know, I was I was told by myself.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: She stands up.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: In many places, in many places, you can at least get away from the person.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: When you're in a gym and you're on like a treadmill or an elliptical, you cannot escape.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're there to do your workout.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna leave because some like asshole necklace.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: You can't do my headphones and I can speak so clear about her conversation about like why her son's not making his grades or something like that.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: And the funny part is it's never like an intriguing conversation.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's never it's never something where you're like, oh, you know, I I read a story about this today and I thought that was fascinating.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, let me have make this a three-way conversation.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: That is never the case.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's always something speaker puppet.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, well, I called him and he didn't call back.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: We have AirPods now.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you don't even like you can just put them in your ears.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: Even that though bothers me.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: I will say, even when people like, even if you don't hear the other side of the conversation and you just see someone in AirPods like talking into their phone, honestly, that still bothers me.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, okay, just be But it's better than hearing that.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I guess.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like just be normal, like have the phone up to your ear or like a person and go into a private area and have a conversation.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: You don't need to be on your ear pods, like talking loudly.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like anyone that just talks loudly, not-they only get like a mild torture, but people on speakerphone get full-on execution.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_00: And what that execution will be is okay, I thought of it.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_00: They need to be in a room with loud noises coming in.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're trying to sleep or something.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you just blast a loud noise all the time, they just can't get away from these like loud noises, and they get tortured to death by and maybe you just like slightly turn up the volume like every 10 minutes or something.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like it just keeps getting gradually louder, and then it blows out their eardrums.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: Can you die by that though?
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, no.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: That way, ooh, that's just torture.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's not really death, but maybe you die from that.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's mine.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's yours, Elizabeth.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, fun fact when I was in college, um, I knew a lot of fraternity guys who were trying like during they call it Hell Week is when you're trying to like join the fraternity.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's the last week you have to prove yourself before you pledge, whatever.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I knew of a lot of guys in this one fraternity who part of their hazing and their punishment was they had to like literally live in a room for I I don't know how long it was, like two or three days with just it's a small world blasting.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh blasting like something like that on repeat.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so but I can't even sleep in that room, they had to eat in that room.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like basically, anytime they weren't in class on campus, they had to be in that room listening to that.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: And how long was that song in their head full?
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_01: So, and it's funny because I remember like walking by the fraternity when they were doing that, and I was like, Why the hell are they listening to this song?
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like on repeat.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_01: On repeat over and over, and I didn't get it, and then I saw there's everyone around you.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I saw like one of my guy friends show up to class the next morning at like 8 a.m.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: and he just had like dark eye circles and was in the worst clothes, and he's like, I don't think I can do this.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: And he then he asked me, he's like, Can you drop me off food in a bush near the fraternity?
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I don't know what else they're doing to you, but sure, I'll bring you some businesses.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so glad I never got hazed.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not fun, not not super fun.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: I have some stories.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, separate.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: We can make that another separate episode, yeah.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: Your own modern-day tortoise.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so for me, and this is similar to like technology we use nowadays, and sorry if I offend any of our listeners, but I and Megan knows this, and so, so, so, so I already know what you're gonna say.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: I hate girls that selfie.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I know it's like an acceptable part of our culture this day and age where you just take a fucking picture of yourself by yourself and post it, and people are supposed to comment on how cute you are.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's the dumbest.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Can you can I just say if I've seen if I ever post a selfie of myself, you will intentionally not like it.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: 100% I do.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, like Megan sometimes will just be like, and it's not, you know, she's not obnoxious to her.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: And they're really cute selfies.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like her cute selfie's like with her and her dog.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just got my hair done.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Or her haircut or whatever, but I intentionally, and she knows this, don't like it.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: I like every other picture she'll post, but I'm like, sorry, Megan.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: I just for me, I I I think maybe again, like I'm I'm 31 years old, and when I was in college, like Facebook was barely a thing.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it wasn't a thing that you did.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you we had clunky canon cameras that we took out with us to parties, and that's what we used to take pictures, and we would take pictures of people, like you would be with your friends and you'd take pictures of each other.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: Did you ever use a selfie stick?
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean I have because we've been at the Grand Canyon.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_00: That should be your your torture.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: You have to use a selfie stick.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, but like I'll get to the torture part, but I just want to continue on my rant for a second.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you get the floor for 30 more seconds.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: I know, not not at all.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: I promise you, not long.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: And if you take selfies, like I totally get it, it's part of our culture.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, everyone does it.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't do it, by the way.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: Never taken one, never posted one.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_01: Look at that.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I've ever, ever, even in your phone.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so you know, sometimes you nope, nope, I've never seen you do it.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and again, I get it.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_01: I told guys, trust me.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying anything against you.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying it's a cultural thing and people do it, but really look at what it is.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's a picture.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: What is it?
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're by yourself.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you just feel good with how you look.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, nope, no one's around you to care about how you look.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: So it's that's why you post it.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then everyone else is like, oh, I'm lonely and I'm by myself, and I guess I look okay, and I'm gonna take this picture.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: Dumb.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sometimes I have really good hair days.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think that's the dumbest thing.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_00: So, how would you how would you torture 99% of the human population?
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's just yeah, if you're if you're not taking selfies, I love you and you're spared.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_01: But for those of you, the 99% I'm talking to, just kidding.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well, no, I would think of it, and I don't know if you have ever seen this episode of Black Mirror.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_01: There's an episode in the first season, I think, where um this girl, like, I forget what her punishment is or or what her thing is, but she ends up like killing a child accidentally somehow.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_01: So she she wakes up in this like reality where when she wakes up, like all like there's no one around to help her, and she's trying to like get out of this house and figure out what like why she's here and what she's doing.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: And all these people are following her with phones, and all they're doing is not talking to her, they're just recording her.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: They're just like masses of people just hurting around following people would like that with their phone.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, but that's what I'm saying.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm saying that I think people that like you know are guilty of like excessive selfieing.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, really quick, I saw a girl selfie, like, well, no, I saw multiple girls do this, but in the gym um locker room, like at my gym, I think that's so stupid.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: But like, hello, there's naked women standing around That's actually a good thing.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually like you're in violation of the law.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: Can you not bring out a camera one too?
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, I've seen girls do it in the mirror.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen like this one girl had like a thing that she attached to the wall, it was like a mount.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, that she like it had an arm and she like manipulated it to like look at herself in the perfect angle.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, girl, you are in a place where women are walking around naked, like 80-year-old women are walking around weakly and like shower.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like that's actually not a that's a good point.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, stop selfieing, stop taking pictures and and changing rooms.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, come on.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, back to my punishment.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, back to the punishment.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I went on this tangent of Black Mirror, but for Black Mirror, I was saying that I think your punishment should be that literally people would follow you around like that in mass herds and take pictures of you all hours of the day.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not your perfect selfie that you think is so cute in the car.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like they're following you around like when you are in your sweats at the grocery store, like when you wake up in the morning and your face is smashed and you have no makeup on.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like some people might still like that.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they would.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, and like when you're like frustrated at work and you're like making mistakes and blunders, and maybe you drop something or drop coffee on yourself, all these people are swarming you, like looking at you.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen that episode, but I'm sure.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what I mean?
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like in your worst moments in life, they're just all swarming you, taking pictures of every angle and everything in bad lighting.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that should be your punishment.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_00: So that's Elizabeth's rant on selfies.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's all that's it.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: Anything anything.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think of many more things to say.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm gonna turn off her side of the mic.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: So just saying, you know, if you if you love yourself, great.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: And if there's people that's part of it, if there's people people around you who love you, they should take pictures of it.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: Elizabeth posted a full-on picture of her ass today on Instagram, and I don't think it got taken down.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody cares.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm still obsessed though.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm still following.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm watching Elizabeth's face of just well anyway.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's our ever-ending debate.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_00: We will uh I'm excited for our next one.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_00: We haven't even talked about what we're gonna do next.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of options.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_00: We have a lot in the queue here.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: Many things here.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, let us know maybe if you personally have a um if the punishment fits the card.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_01: You can think of anything fun and want to go on a rant like that.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go on a rant.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us how you were created.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like what we are at now, and just comment on like what you would do to fix this.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm interested to see on Instagram, on our iTunes, whatever, but let us know.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: And uh guess what?
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: We still don't have a sign off, so we're just gonna say bye.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: And our sign off is we still don't have a sign off.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: And we still don't have a sign off.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: Goodbye.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_01: Goodbye.