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pop girlie culture has a little problem · gasp! the pod

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Are we actually shifting? Is it a feminaminon?
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Let's find out. Hey Gaspers, welcome back to
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GASP the Pod, the podcast for the gays, the girls, and
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especially the gay girls. Remember last episode when I was
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empty. So this is actually the last
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episode I'll have in my apartment.
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That one was the last one for the set.
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I literally move out tomorrow. So we have a little bit of a
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different format going on here. What are we talking about today,
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you ask? We're talking about the Pop
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Girly takeover over the last two years and specifically the
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little problem that's emerging in the pop girly community.
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I will tell you what that is because I realized that the
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title doesn't like explain what the problem is.
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The problem is racism and misogyny.
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All right, let's get into the topic today.
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We're talking about the pop girlies and, and their issue and
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not necessarily their issue, but rather Stan culture and the pop
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girly cultures issue, right? That is a little teensy, little
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bit of racism and misogyny and in some cases a lot of it
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specifically. What are we going to talk about?
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We're going to talk about the takeover of pop girly culture
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over the last two years. Going to talk about how the
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culture centers white girls. Of course, we're going to talk
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about racism within the fan base, misogyny within the fan
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bases, misogyny and like pitting women against each other that I
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feel is a resurgence, but maybe has just existed the entire time
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and Cowboy Carter controversy. And this is really what made me
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want to do this episode, right? And then finally, the strictness
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of genres. And of course, in every episode,
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there's going to be an LGBTQ element, right?
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OK, let's talk about pop Girly takeover, the takeover that
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everyone's been talking about South over the last few years,
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the girlies have pretty much taken over the entire industry.
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Let's name a few, the ones that we all know have stayed
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releasing albums. And then there's been this like
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rise of so many new pop stars and maybe aren't even new, but
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like this sudden rise to like popular fame that they've all
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had fan bases over the last like 5:00 to 10:00-ish years, but
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like in the last two years have gotten so big.
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So the ones that like we've all that we all know and love that
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have stayed here, that have been here for a while, Taylor Swift,
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obviously Dua Lipa, Doji Cat, Miley Cyrus, Lady Gaga, Ariana
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Grande, Sizza, Beyoncé. Now, of course there's more like
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Katy Perry, like Selena Gomez, etcetera.
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But I want to talk about these people because these are the
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girlies that have like, continuously been releasing
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albums and have made the field crowded, right?
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It's not like they take five years off.
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And they're not like releasing an album that doesn't get
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nominated. Like all these people are like
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they're active. And then of course we have these
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newbie stars that like all of a sudden have had this a huge rise
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to fame. Like this is Charlie XCX,
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Sabrina Carpenter, Olivia Rodrigo, Gracie Abrams, Tate
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McRae, Chapel Roan, Billy Eilish.
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She's young, so it's only been like a few years of her having
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this like massive fame. Addison Rae, Tyler Renee Rapp,
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Victoria Monet, like all of these stars have very specific
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and active fan bases that are very passionate about them.
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And this is a crowded fucking space.
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It's kind of insane how many girlies are like constantly
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releasing amazing music. Dochi and some of these people
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too dip into like R&B and like other types of music, but like
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are just very popular right now. This is from the Telegraph.
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And like when you look up like pop, girly is taking over.
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There's so many articles here. The Telegraph says the end of
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the old boys club, how women took over pop music.
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Koog Radio says the resurgence of pop music and how the girls
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are dominating the scene. The New Yorker says it's the
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summer of girly pop that was from 2024.
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Brat summer, right? So we're aware of this female
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takeover, right? Has that actually impacted our
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culture? Is the question?
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Is it showing that we're, like, having progress in terms of
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like, valuing women artists, girls and pop and female
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listeners? Or is it just like disguising
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issues that are still there? I think the latter.
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And I do think there's an impact, right, of like, women
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being on the prominent stage. But that doesn't mean like, when
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racism and, like, homophobia like, ended.
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And I think that Beyoncé winning the album of the year, kind of
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like exposed opposed the misogyny that still exists, the
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racism that still exists, and these deeper issues that like,
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just because you are a fan of a liberal girly pop icon queen
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doesn't mean you're like, liberal or an accepting person,
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which is like a tough pill to swallow.
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Are we actually shifting? Is it a feminaminon?
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Let's find out. Like I think it's just such a
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crazy shift between like 2024 brat summer and then like Trump
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being elected. Like it felt like our society
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was like valuing women and like it was like the summer for
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girls. And then it all shifted, and
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it's like, is it actually a shift or was there never
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actually that much change behind us just being like, Oh my God,
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girly pops. You know, the numbers of fans
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that support these artists, If they actually were, like, as
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progressive as the artist, we might actually be in a better
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culture. But it's like this weird
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realization where it's like, oh, my God, are there like, Trump
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supporters being like Brat Sommer?
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And I think like, yeah, which is so scary, right?
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Like we need more than just a feminaminon and just being like,
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Oh my God, girls. Like if we want to be like pro
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girl movement, pro pop girly movement, that means we're pro
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LGBTQ rights in action. That means we're like feminist
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in action. That means like we're like not
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racist in action. And it's like, all these actual
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pop stars are that way, but it seems like their fans maybe
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aren't. And like in 2025 and in 2024, we
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had mostly women being nominated when it came to the pop awards,
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right? So like in 2025, best pop solo
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performance, all women nominated best pop duo and group
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performance, all women nominated.
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Best pop vocal album, all women nominated.
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In 2024, best pop solo performance, all women
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nominated, best pop duo performance, women were in each
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group. Same thing with 2025 best pop
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vocal album. There was only one man and it
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was like Ed Sheeran, which, like, doesn't count.
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But like, this is an obvious shift at this point.
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Pop music is girly pop music. And like, the women are the ones
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being like, yeah, we're pop music.
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And it's like, has that even had a real shift on our culture?
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Like, maybe it hasn't as much as maybe we thought, right?
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Literally, Harpers Bazaar said in 2024, the women of pop
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dominated the Spotify charts. In 2024, for the first time
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ever, the top five albums of the year were all female artists.
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Like, we're seeing this culture shift this past year with Brad
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Sommer again, like Taylor Swift, the Heiress tour and all of
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this, like Barbie movie and all of this focus on like, women
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dominating it. And perhaps the women that were
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like, part of this movement didn't get the memo that that
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also is, like, political. Or was there so much of A
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backlash that it pushed like, Trump to win?
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You know what I mean? Because, like, music is
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political. OK, Let's talk about how pop
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girly culture centers white women.
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OK? AP News says in 2024 that quote,
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due to a shift of streaming activity in the second-half of
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the year, the pop took the number one spot.
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Female solo artist led the surge in pop consumption as streams of
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their music were responsible for nearly 2/3 of all audio streams
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amongst the top 100 pop artists in the US, and this shift was
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led by specifically six women. Who were those six women?
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Mostly white girls. Taylor Swift #1 #2 Billie eilish
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#3 Sabrina Carpenter #4 Ariana Grande, Top 4 all white #5
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Olivia Rodrigo and Olivia is half Filipina, 6 Chapel round.
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So five out of six of these people are white girls.
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Now, it's not their fault that there's like, successful and
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they don't need to be less successful.
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But it is interesting when like the push of a feminaminon is
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white women, they're going to have white women fans.
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And these white women, as we know, vote for Trump.
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It's this guise of like, feminism.
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And it's like, are there fans really as feminist as like we
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think that the movement is like when pop is dominant and girlies
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are dominating pop and the white girls are specifically
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dominating in this category. We can't forget that gender is
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like not the only thing at play here.
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And this is great for women. It really is.
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I don't want to like make it seem like I think that this is
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like bad for women, but with the culture of pop girly summer and
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there's like this guise of progress and like, Oh my God,
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women are like winning in the world, right?
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That's what it kind of felt like.
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Does it allow subtle and like very much not subtle racism to
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slip in because we're like, Oh my God, progress.
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What's actually going on with these fandoms?
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And also, especially when like Stan culture is at an all time
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high, people feel the need to like, defend and protect their
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faves. I think is also an element here
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that we need to look into. OK, let's talk about like
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specifically racism and misogyny within pop girly culture with
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Stan culture growing and like intensity.
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And I think like TikTok has like huge part to play in this,
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right? It's so easy to like find
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yourself amongst just your fandom when when you're in
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TikTok. And for example, when I open
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TikTok, it's mostly Taylor Swift.
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Like that's just and like queer stuff, right?
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And like political stuff. But that's because I'm like
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liking my algorithm serves me that content.
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So I think because of TikTok and the fierceness of like
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fierceness of the algorithm, we're seeing only like mostly
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content from our own fandom. And we think that these opinions
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are normal. And it also makes people like
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much more passionate because like you're only seeing people
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that agree with you. I think algorithms only
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intensify Stan culture. And I do feel like celebrity
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culture now is like either you are like having parasocial
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relationships and not always like there's obviously normal
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people here, but it feels like there's two big groups, people
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who are like having pair social relationships with their like,
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fave pop star and like feeling the need to defend them over
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everything. And like, because of social
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media, we feel like we know them so much or it's people that are
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like disengaged completely that like don't like worship
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celebrities, you know, like this whole thing being like, OK,
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let's unfollow like Kylie Jenner and like show her that she
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doesn't have like influence in the world.
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So it feels like 2 very separate and distinct behaviours towards
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celebrities, which I don't think is ever healthy when there's
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like only two ways to like approach something and both are
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very extreme. And like, honestly, I totally
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support disengaging from celebrities.
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I think that makes more sense than having like, I don't know,
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this need to like defend someone with your life.
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And like, my question is, is there a resurgence of misogyny
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here or has it always existed in the pop stars have just been
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doing a good job of like pretending like it doesn't
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exist. Feels like there's a resurgence
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of racism and like pitting pop girls against each other in
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order for someone's like fave to win.
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Or has that always existed? And we just thought we were like
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having progress over the last like 10 to 15?
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And what's interesting is I thought that that kind of like
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ended and not that like Taylor Swift, like has influence over
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like every Stan of every pop star, but like literally.
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And you need to calm down. Like she like hugs Katy Perry at
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the end and rumors say that they kissed, but whatever.
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She literally says we see you over there on the Internet
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comparing all the girls that are killing it.
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But we figured you out. We all know now we all got
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crowns. You need to calm down.
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Like I thought we were like in this culture where we like knew
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not to pit women against each other, but apparently not.
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I mean, she like in this music video has like all the drag
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Queens personifying these main pop, girly pop girlies like
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Beyoncé's. They're like, I really felt like
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we were in a culture where like even pop stars were saying like,
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don't put me against her. Felt like women were rejecting
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this like thing that men and the media were doing to pit women
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against each other. But it seems like now it's girls
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themselves doing it, which like, we need to move past and reject
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this finally. And also also what's interesting
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is that even when the pop stars themselves, the celebrities
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themselves go out of their way to be like, stop doing this,
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their fans like don't listen to them.
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It's wild to me, like Beyoncé and Taylor literally support
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each other physically by going to each other's documentary
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premieres. We'll go into the Cowboy Carter
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drama of course. But like after Cowboy Carter won
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and there was a bunch of like Billy fans being like so fucking
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pissed about it and racist about it.
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Phineas posted quote. I don't want to see anyone with
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a photo of me or Billy as their profile picture getting in
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fights with other artists fans in comment sections be at peace.
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And then it like still continued.
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It's like, wouldn't you listen to like your fave?
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It's almost like fan culture is more reliant on like what the
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rest of the fans are doing rather than like listening to
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the artists themselves, which is just wild.
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It's like Swifty's being homophobic and it's like your
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fave is not homophobic. I think.
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Just kidding. And then my other question is
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for these celebrities and pop stars who have been around for
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so long and they have like new generations of fans.
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Like Taylor Swift has young fans who were not born when 1989 came
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out that are actively on the Internet or like, weren't born
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when Red came out and like, are actively in my comment section.
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Do these younger fans maybe like, know the culture of award
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shows? Because before social media,
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that's all we kind of had in order to, like, kind of get
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access to like our favorite artists.
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And maybe we just knew more about what like award shows mean
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because it's not a competition in popularity.
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Most of these except for like, I think Billboard Awards.
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I'll have to check. Like Grammys and stuff is not
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popularity. It is based off of like the
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music itself and not like the charts.
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The larger question that I think I've been asking this entire
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time is like are these fans as feminist and not racist as their
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faves and do these celebrities need to do more in order to make
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sure their fans stay in line? I think the answer is yes.
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There's a false assumption that young girls are the fans of
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liberal. White pop stars would be liberal
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and feminist and I think I've made that mistake.
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Like is this a feminine or is it just women like white women?
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According to CA WP2024A, majority of white women continue
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to support Trump in all 2024 election surveys.
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And these pop stars, these white pop stars, they have white women
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fans. So the math is not mouthing
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that, like the feminaminon is actually pushing feminism
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because according to Stats, we got a lot of conservatives in
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here. And so it's like, is it enough
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for pop stars just be like women?
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Or do we need to be like feminism?
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You know, it's not enough just to be like women if there is not
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like a message behind it. And what's interesting is like,
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I do think these celebrities are pushing these messages and their
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music and their music video and who they hang out with and what
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they say. But like, is it enough or are
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these fans just kind of dumb? Like, how did people watch
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Barbie and, like, vote for Trump?
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They're like, yay, I love Barbie, and then they vote for
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Trump. Like, it's not translating.
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The Music Business Association says that more females say they
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enjoy pop and country. And we'll talk about how pop and
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country, sometimes we assume that, like, pop music is kind of
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its own thing or maybe just the gays in pop music.
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But like, pop and country share a lot of the same fans.
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So we're seeing this like, racist culture of country fans
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bleed into to pop music, which is worrisome.
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And I'm not saying you shouldn't like country.
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I like country, like certain country.
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But it's important to point out the racism in like, pop country
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today. If these white girls are like
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consuming both country and pop, it's not like they're all
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suddenly just so cool with black people.
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And also, we'll go into like, CM as racism very soon.
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OK, let's talk about the Cowboy Carter controversy.
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Right? Until 2025, as we all know,
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Beyoncé had never won album of the year at the Grammys, even
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though she has the most Grammys of literally all time.
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Album of the year is the most coveted award at the Grammys.
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So it's not like she's just like not been awarded.
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And then like, all of a sudden she, like, quote, bought her way
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to this award. She has the most Grammys of all
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time and not one had been album of the year until this year,
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which is crazy. And then when she did, which was
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deserved. And a lot of people say Cowboy
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Carter wasn't her best album. I personally agree.
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I think Lemonade was her best album.
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But just because Lemonade doesn't didn't win doesn't mean
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I think Cowboy Carter should not win.
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I think both should have won, but I think Lemonade was better
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and I think she deserved one album of the year with Lemonade
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as well and some other ones, right.
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Pop girly fans were fucking pissed to an extent that
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honestly I was really shocked by.
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And I know there's a lot of Beyoncé fans that were not
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shocked by this, which like totally makes sense.
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It's a good reminder for us. And I was like, good reminder
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for me to be like, Oh my God, like these pop girly fans are
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fucking racist. Like they can be racist.
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You don't have to like look like a fucking Trump supporter to be
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fucking racist. And honestly, specifically
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Billie Eilish fans, a lot of people were pissed.
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They're like, she got snubbed, which I do think she got
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snubbed, but other people won awards that she obviously didn't
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get. But for some reason Beyoncé was
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the target. Hulier.
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And I'm a Billie Eilish fan too, but it's not like I like solely
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stand her, but like people who are saying that oh, it's just
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like ridiculous. It's like, Oh my God, you guys
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would have never survived being a Taylor Swift fan during
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reputation. Like reputation wasn't even
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nominated for fucking shit. So it's like your faves are
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going to go through periods of time where they're not like
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being awarded in the way that you think that they should be.
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Now, when Taylor Swift didn't get nominated for anything for
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reputation, was I like yelling and saying like other singers
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didn't deserve it? No, it's not their fault.
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It's not someone else's fault that they're successful.
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And it's funny because Taylor Swift fans say this all the time
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Now they're and then they don't. Some of them did not bring that
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energy. And we're criticizing fucking
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Beyoncé being like so pissed she's successful.
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And I'm like, it's so hypocritical.
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Oh my God. Billy has been very much awarded
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for a lot of the things that she's done.
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Definitely not this last album. And I think that's like
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ridiculous. But do I think it's Beyoncé's
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fault? Fucking no.
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And I think Beyoncé deser of the year and I think hot take that
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when Billy was like crying when Beyoncé won, we have no idea why
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she was crying. She could be crying she lost.
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She also could been crying because she was so happy for
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Beyoncé, which everyone like Beyoncé is the is an artists
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favorite artist. If Billy's actually pissed at
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Beyoncé, I think that's fucking insane.
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I don't think that that's true. Like fans will make up theories
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to make it make sense, to make their own behavior make sense.
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And what's interesting about the whole Billy fan reaction and
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like, I was shocked that it was Billy fans.
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I was like, we you guys know that Billy is queer.
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They know that she's queer. And maybe a lot of them, maybe a
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lot of these fans are queer too. I'm assuming that they are.
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They all expose their racism at the same time.
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And it's just a really stark, it's a stark reminder to us that
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being LGBTQ does not mean you can't be racist as fuck.
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And it's a reminder that like, many gay people are racist.
23:36
And it doesn't even make any sense to me how you can be gay
23:39
and racist because like, you are part of an identity that's
23:43
literally so marginalized, but you can't recognize other
23:47
marginalized groups. That's so fucking embarrassing.
23:50
And someone should take your gay card.
23:51
But like some of these racist posts for three days after
23:55
Beyoncé won, God I was just so fucking shocked and pissed at
24:00
the level of stupidity and not even trying to understand where
24:05
people were coming from. I am want to be so clear on
24:08
this. If someone calls you racist,
24:10
homophobic or whatever and they're part of that community.
24:12
So if you're being called racist by black person, if you're being
24:15
called homophobic by a queer person, if you're being called
24:17
sexist by a woman. Right before you say how dare
24:21
you call me that it wasn't racist for that blah blah blah.
24:24
Wouldn't you think to yourself like holy shit, I don't want to
24:28
be called racist. Think for a second like, did you
24:32
do something racist? You can like work on yourself,
24:36
it doesn't mean you're cancelled.
24:38
Don't double down on shit though, because it only makes
24:40
things worse. Just think for a second, like
24:43
think about it for a second. Like your first reaction is to
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say that that that the person's being overdramatic.
24:49
You are doubling down on your racism when you do that because
24:54
people were so pissed that they were getting racist.
24:56
They're like Oh my God is it racist when I like wanted my
25:00
fave to win? No guys Oh my God again, nuance
25:05
and fucking common sense. Don't be fucking stupid right
25:08
now. You know what we're saying.
25:09
Not everyone that was upset that Billy lost is racist.
25:13
The people that were saying she won because she cheated, she
25:17
doesn't deserve it. I would have been happy.
25:20
This is the thing that gets me this comment.
25:22
I would have been happy with any of the other women winning, but
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not Beyoncé, the one black woman.
25:29
You realize that that looks so fucking racist.
25:32
Not looks, but is to be like any of the other white girls.
25:35
I would have loved to win. But the black girl, you look
25:37
like a fucking idiot when you say that.
25:39
A racist idiot and kind of. And you are one if you really
25:43
think that because, like, where did this hate come from?
25:48
I think a lot of it is, first of all, racism, but recycled down
25:52
from country music because pop music shares a lot of country
25:56
music fans. Just some of these other things
25:59
that I heard like Calbey Carter was a bad album.
26:01
Who even listened to Calbey Carter?
26:04
Oh my God, everyone. There's so much music out here.
26:06
Just because you didn't hear it doesn't mean it's not popular.
26:10
And also this is the issue that I think social media has really
26:13
created. Your opinion is not more valid
26:18
than someone else's opinion on like taste, right?
26:21
So something just because you didn't like something doesn't
26:25
mean it's objectively bad. The narcissism in which we view
26:29
our own opinion. People can disagree with you, so
26:32
if you think Cowboy Carter was a bad album, I don't think you're
26:35
racist for not liking it. But to say it's objectively bad
26:40
is just so wrong because you didn't like it.
26:43
But obviously it is good because ABC News says Cowboy Carter
26:47
wasn't the number one on Billboard's Top Country Albums
26:50
chart. So there's so many artists out
26:52
there. Just because you didn't hear it
26:54
doesn't mean it wasn't popular. And because you think because
26:57
you've never heard of it is actually showing that, you know,
27:00
no black people, People saying that she cheated is so
27:03
ridiculous. And this same thing with like,
27:06
right when a black woman succeeds at something you assume
27:09
it can't because of her talent, it's fucking Beyoncé.
27:12
These other things I heard was like, I mean, I saw this one
27:15
specific post of this girl saying Taylor Swift could have
27:18
written Texas Holdem at 15, but Beyoncé could never write Fresh
27:22
out the Slammer. It's just so crazy to say that
27:26
shit. And it's like you're just
27:27
showing that you've never listened to like any of her
27:30
songs because because Beyoncé absolutely could and is such a
27:34
good songwriter. And like Beyoncé has some of the
27:36
most striking emotional music of all time.
27:40
In the same way that Taylor Swift fans, we say all the time,
27:43
like, oh, if you don't like Taylor Swift, it's because
27:44
you're only listening to like her number one hits.
27:47
That's a really good reminder for you for Beyoncé.
27:49
So maybe you think you don't like Beyoncé because you're only
27:52
listening to Texas Holdem. If you've only listened to Texas
27:54
Holdem, I don't want your opinion and also you can have an
27:57
opinion without saying someone else's just is wrong.
28:01
I've never seen this level of outrage over album of the year.
28:04
And it's like right when a black woman wins, but not at any of
28:07
the other artists that won any of the other awards that night
28:10
that took took one from Billy. But the black woman you're
28:14
pissed at, it just exposed their real feelings.
28:18
And it's fascinating. And also for Taylor Swift fans
28:21
to do this. It's like it is so clear that
28:23
Taylor Swift is like a fan and a friend with Beyoncé and like,
28:27
you guys are literally embarrassing us.
28:29
I also saw a lot of people saying like, oh, how many
28:32
songwriters that Beyoncé had on Cowboy Carter means that she
28:35
shouldn't have won. She's still the artist that that
28:38
sang it and collaborated with all of them.
28:40
Bringing together a team doesn't mean you shouldn't win album of
28:44
the year. It's so amazing when people
28:46
write all their songs from scratch.
28:48
That doesn't mean that collaboration is inherently
28:51
wrong and that that should not be awarded period.
28:54
Like, and it she didn't win for best songwriter, she won for
28:58
album of the year. Like what are you guys not
29:00
getting? And then of course, we heard
29:02
Cowboy Carter isn't country. Let's get into it.
29:06
I need to take this off. This is too hot, this sweater
29:08
I'm wearing. Oh also, guys, I surprised my
29:11
girlfriend for Valentine's Day with Cowboy Carter tickets.
29:15
I mean, I might not literally such a good girlfriend.
29:19
She's never seen Beyoncé live. I've never seen Beyoncé live.
29:22
And I'm so fucking excited. I spend too much money, but I'm
29:25
very excited. Let's talk about like the
29:27
strictness of genres and this whole idea that, like, Beyoncé
29:31
isn't country and all of this kind of stuff, right?
29:34
So as we've said before, like popular country music today,
29:39
especially like the ones that are celebrated at the CMA
29:43
Awards, which are like white country artists, there's a
29:48
history, a deep history of racism within country music
29:53
today, which isn't surprising, right?
29:55
But also and obviously conservatism.
29:58
But what's ironic is like, like country takes a lot of
30:03
inspiration from bluegrass and jazz and like, it's pretty much
30:07
just shut black people out of the industry.
30:10
And it's crazy that anyone has said like, first of all, Cowboy
30:13
Carter's isn't country when she went out of her way to like
30:17
include collaborations with people that are seen as country
30:21
in order to who like make it known that she's like doing a
30:25
country album. And yet that's not seen as
30:27
country. Like she literally did a song
30:30
with Dolly Parton, but that's like not still not country, but
30:33
it's but it is when Dolly Parton does it.
30:35
It's just the biggest thing here is race.
30:37
And they can't explain it away with any other.
30:40
They can't explain it. She's literally from Houston but
30:44
Keith Urban is from Australia and he's country.
30:49
The whole point is it doesn't matter where you're from.
30:51
But if it did, Beyoncé would still be a country artist.
30:56
I don't know if many people know this but I thought it was like
30:58
obvious. Like the CMA's are racist.
31:00
So a lot of Billy fans, which is just so fucking ironic that
31:04
they're like arguing in defense of of the CMA's.
31:09
When you're a Billy fan who's like liberal and queer and
31:13
you're like, it just blows my mind the mental gymnastics to
31:16
like, be able to be like racist but then like pro LGBTQ.
31:20
I just can't understand that. But people are saying, yeah,
31:23
Beyoncé's album wasn't country because the CMA's didn't
31:26
nominate it. It's like, yeah, the CMA's are
31:29
racist. Let's talk about it.
31:31
And they historically blacklist artists for doing anything
31:35
political. The Dixie Chicks and everyone
31:38
should know this. Now if you're a Taylor Swift
31:40
fan. Which like I don't understand
31:42
how any Swifties are like pissed at Beyoncé just given everything
31:45
that Taylor Swift has said ever. But like Taylor Swift in the
31:49
Miss Americana documentary literally talks about how she
31:52
was trained by like growing up in country music to not say or
31:56
do anything controversial and look political because of what
31:59
happened to the Dixie Chicks, formerly known as the Dixie
32:01
Chicks, now the Chicks. The Dixie Chicks after George
32:06
Bush like invaded Iraq, literally criticized him on
32:10
stage, right? And after this happened, they
32:14
were like pretty much blacklisted from the industry,
32:18
OK. People were burning their CDs.
32:20
People were like not listening anymore.
32:23
The next year, the CMA S, they were booed like when they were
32:27
announced like all this shit, it was fucking crazy.
32:30
And their sales went down and all this stuff happened.
32:34
They ended up having to be forced to apologize and then
32:36
later they rescinded their apology like years later.
32:40
But like this set an example that like you will be torched if
32:43
you do anything political because country music is
32:46
conservative and it's kind of like football.
32:49
It's like don't open your mouth, like just sing.
32:51
There's real people that are behind this.
32:53
It's not just art from no perspective.
32:55
The perspective is the people that are singing and making it.
32:58
And then in 2016, the Chicks and Beyoncé did a collaboration on
33:03
stage at the Cmas. This was so fucking
33:06
controversial because a black woman was there, I guess.
33:08
And by the way, black people are allowed at the CMA, so anyone
33:11
that's like, Oh my God, the Cmas aren't racist because there's
33:13
black singers there. And it's like, because they're
33:15
not inherently pushing the boundaries.
33:17
They're not putting their politics like into their music,
33:20
and they're only allowed there because they're the good,
33:23
obedient black artists that won't push the envelope for
33:27
like, racial justice and like political issues.
33:29
That's what the difference is. So fuck you if you're like, oh,
33:34
but black people are still at the CMA.
33:36
So it's not racist. It's like, Oh my God, use your
33:38
big brain. Use your big brain.
33:40
By the way, this is my favorite cup.
33:42
I'm sure I've showed this before but it says don't talk to me
33:45
until I've had my abortion. The Chicks and Beyoncé did this
33:48
collaboration on stage at the Cmas in 2016.
33:51
They face backlash and criticism.
33:54
Like people were fucking pissed about this you guys.
33:57
And the Chicks literally said that after this performance they
33:59
quote were treated weird after this performance of Daddy
34:03
Lessons. Like the fact that it wasn't
34:04
just Beyoncé. The Chicks were like Yep we were
34:06
treated weird for even collaborating with Beyoncé on
34:09
stage which is a country song. Daddy Lessons is a country song.
34:13
Beyoncé has been doing country before Cowboy Carter.
34:16
And even if she hadn't, people are allowed to move into
34:20
different genres. And we allow that for white
34:23
artists, but not black artists. And like people that try to
34:27
defend the Cmas or the Cmas themselves and defend the fact
34:30
that Beyoncé like is not a country artist, they'll say that
34:33
they don't fit the genre. That's their excuse.
34:36
Another excuse when it's like what is actually lying
34:39
underneath all of this? The strictness of genres is so
34:44
arbitrary and it's just used in order to exclude marginalized
34:48
identities. It's the same way that like pop
34:51
girly fans excuse their ability to be like, oh, I hate Beyoncé
34:56
by just saying like and or she didn't deserve it, by saying
34:59
stuff like she's just not country or she didn't deserve it
35:02
because I didn't like it. And that's just arbitrary
35:05
excuses for just being racist. And I honestly just wish they
35:08
would just be straight out racist.
35:10
So then then we could like acknowledge, OK, you're racist,
35:13
we don't listen to you anymore. But it's like this new wave of
35:17
like silent racist that convince themselves that they're not and
35:20
have and don't care about like being perceived as a good
35:23
person. That's one of the biggest thing
35:24
that I'm stuck on is like, don't people want to not be perceived
35:28
as racist, homophobic and sexist?
35:30
These pop stands, white young girls, do they not care about
35:36
being perceived as racist? The fans of these major pop
35:40
stars don't care that their pop idols have different political
35:44
opinions in them, but are still trying to protect them.
35:48
And it's like this weird thing where it's like they are
35:51
obsessed with their faith, but then like feel like, oh, OK,
35:55
it's totally OK that I don't have a, that they have a
35:57
different political opinion than me.
35:59
It's like Swifty's being like, oh, I don't care that Taylor
36:01
Swift votes for Kamala Harris. I'm going to vote for Trump.
36:03
And like, it's totally fine. Yeah, whatever.
36:05
You shouldn't like, change your political beliefs based off of
36:07
like a singer. But if you're so obsessed about
36:10
like protecting and like thinking about them all the time
36:13
and like you're, you are having this like parasocial
36:15
relationship with them, but then like you are so clearly racist
36:20
when like they are not. There's a separation there.
36:22
And they convince themselves that they like have the same
36:25
belief that their faves do. And I think it's kind of on
36:28
celebrities to like call out their own fans and be more
36:32
specific about like, you are not my fan if you're racist.
36:35
And I think I kind of needed more from Billy after all of
36:38
this because it was a lot of Billy Eilish fans.
36:41
But anyways, back to genre and country music. 100 music and pop
36:46
music as we know share a lot of fans, specifically white women
36:50
and the same fans that are saying Beyoncé Calbe Carter
36:54
isn't country are like the ones that love Taylor Swift and did
36:59
not argue that 1989 is pop. Guys, Taylor Swift completely
37:04
changed genres, had never done pop before and said I'm going to
37:09
do a pop album. And we these fans, Swifties now
37:13
who are like, yes, of course, so valid.
37:16
And I can't believe anyone was upset that she just changed
37:20
genres. Are the same people now that are
37:22
saying, well, Beyoncé is in country?
37:24
It's so hypocritical. I don't understand how people
37:27
don't see it. We allow certain people to
37:29
change genres, but certain people can't.
37:31
And what's the biggest thing? The certain people that can't
37:35
are the black ones. I really feel like all this
37:38
Beyoncé stuff and winning album of the year just really showed
37:41
us what a lot of fans truly think and expose a lot of racism
37:46
and like misogyny within pop girly fandom that like PR wise
37:52
and marketing wise. These pop girlies are like
37:54
feminist and pro LGBTQ and anti racist and all this stuff but
37:58
it's like their fans are not reflecting that in their
38:01
behaviour. What's the point of having like
38:03
a rat summer and like Oh my God yay women.
38:07
But then it's like, fuck Beyoncé.
38:10
What? It's just not consistent energy.
38:13
And I think it's also showing us that there's a lot of silent
38:15
racists and a lot of silent Trump supporters.
38:18
And it's the same way when we like people are like, Oh my God,
38:21
I just found out that my fave influencer is a Trump supporter.
38:23
And it's like, pretty young white girls can be Trump
38:27
supporters too. It's so scary, but it's true.
38:30
Even the ones that feel like they're like hip and stuff to
38:32
the culture can be Trump supporters.
38:34
Not me though. All right, hope you guys enjoyed
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