"What If Church Looked More Like AA" with John Ortberg
Show Notes:
Can people actually change — and if so, why is it so hard? Pastor and bestselling author John Ortberg joins Chris and Eddie to talk about his book Steps: A Guide to Transforming Your Life When Willpower Isn't Enough and what the Twelve Steps can teach the church about spiritual formation. John traces his path from clinical psychology into ministry, shares how Dallas Willard shaped his understanding of the kingdom of God as a present reality, and explains why the most transformed people often have what one recovery veteran called a robust “step one” — the gift of desperation. Along…
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