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Ep. 842: Jani's Hunt for a Manitoba Giant | 12 in '26 · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The bait thing is very contentious, even for me personally,
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  Speaker 1: Like when you watch this on television, it looks almost
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  Speaker 1: too easy. And I've watched YouTube videos of this and
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  Speaker 1: been like, is that really hunting? Is it easier than
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  Speaker 1: zan spot stock. But one of the cool things that
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  Speaker 1: you get from Beata Hut like this is you get
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  Speaker 1: to be very particular about the animal yawn. You don't
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  Speaker 1: have to make a judgment call on the size and
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  Speaker 1: the sex at three hundred yards or five hundred yards
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  Speaker 1: or even one hundred yards. Here you get to do
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  Speaker 1: it ten yards, twelve yards, and so it's much easier
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  Speaker 1: to pick out the mature male, not to shoot a
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  Speaker 1: soua with cobs. I don't know. It'll be interesting to
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  Speaker 1: put some dime in and just get a feel for
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  Speaker 1: all of it until I can relieve it having a
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  Speaker 1: banion about it. At this point, that's all new to me.
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  Speaker 2: What you just heard there were my ruminations from the
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  Speaker 2: first afternoon evening of my Manitoba bear hunt, where I'm
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  Speaker 2: sort of trying to figure out what in the world
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  Speaker 2: is going on. Welcome to twelve and twenty six podcast,
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  Speaker 2: I should say, welcome to the twelve and twenty six podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: This is the companion show to our twelve and twenty
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  Speaker 2: six hunting fish films rolling out this year. What are
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  Speaker 2: the fish films, Corey, I only know of twelve hunting films.
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  Speaker 3: Is there some fishing, well, we know there's some fishing
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  Speaker 3: in the behind the scenes on your Manitoba Bear Hunt,
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  Speaker 3: there is. I don't know if there's any front and
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  Speaker 3: center fish.
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  Speaker 2: Wrote this script, not me, Ah Corinne. Anyway, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: do this for all of the twelve and twenty six
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  Speaker 2: episodes films things that are coming out this year, which
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  Speaker 2: if you haven't heard, we're doing hour long just hour
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  Speaker 2: long versions of what we always do. We we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: drop one a month, and alongside that we're just gonna
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  Speaker 2: have other things like articles and podcasts like this one,
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  Speaker 2: where the hosts of the show will answer your questions
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  Speaker 2: from the internet, whether it's YouTube or Instagram and then
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  Speaker 2: just sort of give you a little bit more background,
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  Speaker 2: a little more context to the things that we do.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're turning into the show right now and
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen by Manitoba Bear Hunt, go and watch that
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  Speaker 2: and then this podcast will make more sense to you.
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  Speaker 2: And do you know what the next one is Corey
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  Speaker 2: coming up in March. I guess the next twelve and
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  Speaker 2: twenty six, Well.
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  Speaker 3: It all has to do with our post production team
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  Speaker 3: getting it out on time. Uh huh, depending on which one.
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  Speaker 3: But I believe it stars Clay Newcombe. I think we're
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  Speaker 3: trying to balance out which location in which pursuit. He's
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  Speaker 3: got a couple of them this year he does. Yep,
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  Speaker 3: maybe some more bear hunting. Maybe maybe mister bear grease.
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  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see. All right. Today, I'm here with Corey,
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  Speaker 2: who you've already heard from, and Fill the engineer, to
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  Speaker 2: address your questions about my Manitoba black bear Hunt. And
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for writing in and giving
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  Speaker 2: us some questions so we can make this bonus content here.
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  Speaker 2: Corey and Corinne took a bunch of time to curate
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  Speaker 2: these questions. If there was you know, ten of the
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  Speaker 2: same question or ten versions of the same question, we
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  Speaker 2: definitely chose those. So we're trying to answer the uh,
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  Speaker 2: the most the most requested questions. Let's see up top,
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  Speaker 2: we'd like to ask the controversy, drama, and disagreement inspired
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  Speaker 2: by a baited bear hunt, and again you guys, all
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  Speaker 2: major voices clear on both sides of this issue. Let's see,
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  Speaker 2: should I tell should I say the names of who
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  Speaker 2: wrote it?
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  Speaker 1: All?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Give him a little shout out.
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  Speaker 2: Mark mc murphy nine to five oh seven rights. I'm sorry, guys,
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  Speaker 2: but this is not hunting. I should probably be careful
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  Speaker 2: about editorializing with my voice. Ha, Phil, Yeah, maybe it
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  Speaker 2: could be. It could be very easy to do that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe, I don't know if you want to say like,
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  Speaker 4: quote unquote anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but because these are the anti uh bait you.
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  Speaker 4: Mean, editorializing with like the tone of your voice, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to sound like like Steve's.
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  Speaker 2: It is because these are these are the folks that
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  Speaker 2: are not now with the baiting. I'm sorry, guys, but
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  Speaker 2: this is not hunting. This is just killing. Even if
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  Speaker 2: there is a expletive to of bears in Manitoba in parentheses,
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  Speaker 2: heart my Canada, and if you're only taking mature bores,
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  Speaker 2: there is no stalking and no actual hunting. Is this
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  Speaker 2: right up there with animals cage then released for killing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. But come on, guys, you're better
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  Speaker 2: than this. And I still love me eater at Christopher
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  Speaker 2: oh dash K two I says, if you can't hunt
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  Speaker 2: it fairly, don't hunt it all. Actually, this is not hunting,
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  Speaker 2: it's just killing the easy way. Disgusting. Here's at Moosey
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  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty one. I will never understand why any good
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  Speaker 2: hunter has to bait an animal in to kill. They
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  Speaker 2: are not real hunters. Get expletive out there and track
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  Speaker 2: and hunt now. On the flip side at struggle Bus
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  Speaker 2: operator kind of like that handle rights, it's population control.
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  Speaker 2: Anybody who wants a challenge in quotes can find one elsewhere.
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  Speaker 2: But baiting can be a part of wildlife management. At
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  Speaker 2: My French Bulldog and Me says incredible watch and representation
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  Speaker 2: of how ethical hunting doesn't end with legal bait and
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  Speaker 2: plenty of bears. Just a different look at hunting at
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  Speaker 2: powder Knit states I dislike the upity mentality that hunting
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  Speaker 2: is only big time spot in stock hunting at some
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  Speaker 2: random gamer some random gamer twelve sixty Thank you. I
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  Speaker 2: was going somewhere else with that, but uh, they write
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  Speaker 2: there's literally evidence in the animal world of other species
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  Speaker 2: using bait to hunt birds, using bait to attract fish
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  Speaker 2: into striking distance. For example, turtles with tongues literally shaped
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  Speaker 2: like a worm to lure fish into their mouths. And
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  Speaker 2: yet there's still some grown men who think hunting has
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  Speaker 2: to be difficult at the Little nineteen eighty two says,
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  Speaker 2: as a fisherman, I see nothing wrong with baiting your catch.
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  Speaker 2: Seems like gatekeeping to me, to shit on people who
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  Speaker 2: bait for hunt, who bait animals for hunting. So if
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  Speaker 2: somebody asks you, now, what do you think about bait
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  Speaker 2: and bears, what would your take be? Yanni that that's
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  Speaker 2: Corinne asking this question. Oh no, Corey, maybe you were
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  Speaker 2: supposed and I see your name highlight. I didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to interrupt you.
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  Speaker 3: You were rolling.
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  Speaker 2: That's all right, we'll get we'll get this dialed by
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  Speaker 2: the end of it. That's perfect. No, not before. But
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  Speaker 2: I've been thinking a lot about the whole baiting thing,
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  Speaker 2: especially since the episode came out and the comments came out.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, you know, I've had almost a year to
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  Speaker 2: be thinking about this, and there's a lot to say
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  Speaker 2: about it. Number One, I'll say this, I am still
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  Speaker 2: a very inexperienced like bait hunter. I only have those
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  Speaker 2: three days. Well that's not true. Like I said, I've
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  Speaker 2: done it. I think I've done two days over feeders
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  Speaker 2: in Texas for bear or for pigs and deer, So
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  Speaker 2: it's still very very small amount of experience. You're a
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  Speaker 2: big spot in stock guy or sitting in a tree standing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I do all kinds of hunting a lot,
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  Speaker 2: but I just don't have a lot of experience doing
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  Speaker 2: baited hunts. And I say that not as a way
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  Speaker 2: to get out of answering the question, but because I've
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  Speaker 2: often found myself because I what I get to do,
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  Speaker 2: and going to try different kinds of hunting all the
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  Speaker 2: time is a lot of times the first even second
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  Speaker 2: time of when you're on a hunt, it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: if it's guided or not. I'm a stranger to the landscape.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a stranger to the animal that if it's a
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  Speaker 2: new animal, then I'm hunting right. So I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 2: still like in the introductory stage, I'm still learning. I'm
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  Speaker 2: still building a real relationship both with the landscape and
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  Speaker 2: the animal. And so it happened to me in Latvia
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  Speaker 2: right where we went there to hunt, and I had
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  Speaker 2: this great stag kind of presented to me. But it
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  Speaker 2: was literally two hours into the first morning of the hunt,
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of like just there being kind of casual,
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  Speaker 2: like a I don't know, this looks like it's pretty easy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we'd already seen like two other stags that morning,
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't feel the pressure of like, oh, you
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  Speaker 2: need to get this thing killed now because this is
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  Speaker 2: your opportunity, right, And so same thing with these bears
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  Speaker 2: with a baited hunt. I think going back and doing
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  Speaker 2: it a second and third time, I might actually be
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  Speaker 2: more excited to have more buck fever in the moment
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  Speaker 2: on the second or third time I kill a bear
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  Speaker 2: over bait that I did the first time, because again,
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  Speaker 2: you're just it's so new you I don't even know
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  Speaker 2: to be excited yet, right, because you're just kind of like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is easy. But as I saw in my hunt,
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  Speaker 2: it's like the sure boor he only showed up on
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  Speaker 2: day three, and maybe he wasn't gonna show up, right,
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  Speaker 2: So it's not again that's my experience, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: know we're gonna continue coming back to like probably what
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  Speaker 2: I think about baiting bears, there's a bunch of questions
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  Speaker 2: related to that. I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that was caused me. The most sort of
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  Speaker 2: thought and sort of friction in my head has been, well,
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  Speaker 2: if that's okay, how come I'm not really okay with
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  Speaker 2: baiting deer.
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  Speaker 3: Hence a question we received via Instagram was that a question, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we shall have the same outlook on baiting bears as
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  Speaker 3: you would baiting whitetail. Yeah, and that one has I
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  Speaker 3: think the word is consternation. It's just giving me a
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  Speaker 3: lot of time to think to think about it because
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  Speaker 3: where we are in Wisconsin, you're not supposed to bait,
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  Speaker 3: but there's some baiting that goes on. Sure, and it
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  Speaker 3: definitely Steve has always said talking about bait that anytime
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  Speaker 3: the bait sort of changes the animal's natural movement patterns,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't really like it. Well, obviously with these bears,
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  Speaker 3: it's changing where they are. It's concentrating them big time, right,
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  Speaker 3: and we talked about the reasons why to do it right.
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  Speaker 3: It's like it's all kind of there in that intro
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  Speaker 3: of that episode. It's like you get to see a
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  Speaker 3: lot of bears, you get to observe bears, and then
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  Speaker 3: you get to pick which bear you're gonna kill which
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  Speaker 3: spot and stock hunting, as you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: times it's like you're like, oh, I think it's a
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  Speaker 3: big bear. There's something black, Like I'm gonna shoot it
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  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna kill it. Oh yeah, spot in stock
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  Speaker 3: bear hunting. I mean, unless it's South cubs or if
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  Speaker 3: it's like obviously a small bear you're seeing, it's like
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  Speaker 3: pretty hard to pass up an opportunity of just seeing.
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  Speaker 2: Because you've been grinding. It's hard, right, Yeah, So I
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  Speaker 2: think that, and as you can see in the comments,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't like it because it's too easy.
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  Speaker 2: And to that, I feel like I have a great answer.
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  Speaker 2: It's like if you're sitting in a blind on a
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  Speaker 2: food plot, not even a food plot. Let's just say
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  Speaker 2: it's a cornfield or any field where deer are gonna
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  Speaker 2: come out like an hour before dark, and then you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna shoot one. That's by no means any harder than
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  Speaker 2: what I did, right, Yeah, Like, you know they're coming
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  Speaker 2: to that food source. You've set up on that food
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  Speaker 2: source and an ambush location. So sure, maybe you didn't
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  Speaker 2: dump the corn out in the field a farmer gruid
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, but it's kind of basically the same thing, right, But.
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  Speaker 3: You did a fantastic job in this episode Manitoba Black
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  Speaker 3: beart setting the scene as to what goes into the
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  Speaker 3: bait and how much work that entails. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: and money, a lot of energy.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, for sure. But I'm just saying like, it's
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  Speaker 2: I think that people see it and they're just like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's too easy. You're just there and you shoot it.
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  Speaker 2: And as the hunter on a guided hunt, yeah we
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  Speaker 2: went and I helped Craig do a little bit, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not putting in the effort that he is right
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  Speaker 2: to get the bears to be coming to that bait.
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  Speaker 2: So that feeling that you get from a hard earned opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's hiking the mountains for elk for a week
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  Speaker 2: or for multiple years to get a shot at one
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  Speaker 2: and then you get one, sort of that elation, I'm
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  Speaker 2: probably not going to get that from shooting a bear
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  Speaker 2: over bait, right. But what I do want to say
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  Speaker 2: is that just because it's easier, I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: should necessarily take away from the experience. Just like, set
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  Speaker 2: your expectations right, like you're not going to have that
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  Speaker 2: big moment and just like tears are going to come
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  Speaker 2: bursting out because you just put in five crazy days
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  Speaker 2: of work, right, this is way more casual whatever. But
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  Speaker 2: it is what it is, and it shouldn't take away
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  Speaker 2: from it. There's a lot of like I said in
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  Speaker 2: the watch the episode, there's a lot of things that
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  Speaker 2: you get to experience doing that that you don't get
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  Speaker 2: to experience grinding the mountains for five days, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So again, I just don't think that we should look
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  Speaker 2: at it as it's that it's exclusive of one another,
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  Speaker 2: that just because one one version of hunting is easier,
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  Speaker 2: that it's not proper hunting or not ethical hunting, or
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  Speaker 2: not the right kind of hunting. It's just different. So cool.
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  Speaker 4: Let's watch his next clip, which I think you kind
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  Speaker 4: of set up the kind of environment that you're in.
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  Speaker 2: Feels ready for us to move on, folks. Two hours
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  Speaker 2: northwest of Winnipeg, and we're still very much in southern Manitoba.
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  Speaker 2: This central Canadian province runs seven hundred and sixty miles
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  Speaker 2: north to south. The outfit sits just north of Riding
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  Speaker 2: Mountain National Park and just west of Lake Manitoba. To
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  Speaker 2: the south are the Great Plains and to the north
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  Speaker 2: the beginnings of the boreal Forest. This part of Manitoba
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  Speaker 2: is an even mix of forest and agriculture. Aspen and
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  Speaker 2: burr oak dominate the woods and the fields are mostly canola, wheat,
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  Speaker 2: and soybeans. This makes for unbelievable bear habitat. Manitoba is
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  Speaker 2: estimated to hold thirty to forty thousand black bears.
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  Speaker 3: Man something about black bear hunting, Yanni and forest fires
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  Speaker 3: and smoke when we went hunting in ours.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's right.
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  Speaker 3: In Montana, we had somehow had to deal with forest
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  Speaker 3: fires in May. Didn't expect that and it affected our
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  Speaker 3: he but.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could see it's a little smoky in that
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  Speaker 2: clip there, and we actually ran into hunters traveling on
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  Speaker 2: that hunt that had gone farther north and had to
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  Speaker 2: be evacuated and didn't even get to go black bear hunt.
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  Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Yeah, so it's a thing. So after we
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  Speaker 3: watched and heard that, were you hunting McCarthy's property in
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  Speaker 3: Manitoba and can you describe the layout of that habitat?
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  Speaker 2: So we were not hunting the McCarthy's place. We were
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  Speaker 2: hunting either public land that he has the right to
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  Speaker 2: bait on or private land where he has an agreement
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  Speaker 2: with the landowner to have a bait site. As far
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  Speaker 2: as what it looks like, I mean, you saw it
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  Speaker 2: there in the clip if you're only listening. It is
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  Speaker 2: a very even mix of woods and ag. I mean
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of what you whatuld you expect in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of parts of the Midwest where the ag hasn't
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  Speaker 2: gone completely nuts. So and they're where they're not aging,
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  Speaker 2: you know, farming from ditch to ditch. But here there's
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  Speaker 2: still a lot of woods left between the fields. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was I was surprised to see. I was because
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  Speaker 2: I said in the description there in the video, it's
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  Speaker 2: aspen and oak trees, which I've never seen that mix
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  Speaker 2: anywhere else. I mean, we have big tooth aspen down
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  Speaker 2: in Wisconsin, but not these populous tremulodies like the ones
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  Speaker 2: that we have out west here, the ones that are white,
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  Speaker 2: real white, barked, and you know you get the great
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  Speaker 2: colors in the fall, and they shimmer in the wind.
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  Speaker 2: That's the same aspen that's there. So it's a really
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  Speaker 2: cool mix. And I bet you in the fall it's
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  Speaker 2: just absolutely gorgeous. I mean, oak trees and aspens, it's
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  Speaker 2: got to be killers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, colors, the foliage would be popping. Yeah, that's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of bears obviously that you got to witness daily
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  Speaker 3: out there, and then obviously Manitoba massive province. But the
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  Speaker 3: just the section you were in, you had a lot
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  Speaker 3: of bear encounters, so there must be plenty places for
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  Speaker 3: him to rest and recover and hide out, assuming during
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  Speaker 3: the day. So just looking at that photo we're looking
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  Speaker 3: at from that clip, it's a good mix. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of habitat for them to hide in and then playing
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  Speaker 3: a farm field.
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  Speaker 2: Farm fields to feed in. Yeah, the best of both worlds,
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  Speaker 2: everything a bear wants.
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  Speaker 3: And then you were there in June, right, so it's
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  Speaker 3: probably early farm and season, assuming nothing's like standing too
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  Speaker 3: tall yet.
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  Speaker 2: In those no, no, we saw farmers actually planting, planting fields,
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  Speaker 2: prepping for the season. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So did you pick those dates that you hunted in
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  Speaker 3: Manitoba that week?
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  Speaker 2: No, I think the season ends second week of June
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  Speaker 2: or after the second week of June, so it pretty
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  Speaker 2: much runs all in May and then two weeks into June.
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  Speaker 2: He usually a lot of times doesn't hunt into June.
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  Speaker 2: But because this is kind of last minute, he got
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  Speaker 2: a spot for me, come on the back end of
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  Speaker 2: everybody else onting. He felt like it's good and bad. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: the farther you get into June, the hides are going
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  Speaker 2: to be more rubbed, except for the big boares. He
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  Speaker 2: said that for whatever reason, the big boars seem to
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  Speaker 2: keep doing less rubbing and keep their nice hides longer.
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  Speaker 2: It might be because they're more focused on rutting. So
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: that's kind of peak running activity is that June time period.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And so because they're you know, looking for sALS, they're
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: not sitting around rubbing their hides off.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I was going to ask that, did you witness any
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: rutting action?
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I mean the big boar that came in. I mean
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: probably any boar that was sort of you know, middle sized,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: middle age to bigger or older is coming there because
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: they know there's going to be sALS at that bait.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be more than one sal, and there's gonna
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: be more than one board you know, coming around. Right. So,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: but I wouldn't say that we didn't actually see any
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: sort of board chasing a sow activity, No, not specifically
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: coming in.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: It is kind of a win wind for him. They
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: might find some food, well, they will find some food.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Maybe they'll find a lady too. Yeah, that probably They
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: probably do that undercover in the thick oaks and aspens.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. I don't know.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I would let's see change in topics. We had a
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: few questions come in about bear bait ingredients. Someone on
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Instagram asked what kind of bait is used and how
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: does it affect the flavor of the meat and fat.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Of the bears.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: We've got a clip here from the film which could
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: help answer that.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: I just put a bit of oats and then I'll
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: top it off with some corn. At the start of
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: the season, I usually just use oats, just oats and
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: the grease used grease.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: How do you get your hands on enough grease to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: for this?
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: I got up some INDs with a few restaurants and
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: they just hold it all for me. Use use Frier oil, Yeah,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: and then I put an ounce or two of Northwood's
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: bear products in it, some expired stuff. They eat anything
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: that's soaked in Frier oil.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Do you think they would eat it less if it
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: was just plain bread?
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Well, if it's got green, they're fussy. If it's like
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: rotten like that, they won't eat.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: It, No, kid, unless you soak it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: They don't eat fish because they're not raised on it
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: like they are in BC and stuff right at those
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: salmon runs and they just.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And he meat.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: If the meat goes ro often they don't like it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: But something about beaver, something about beaver is right. If
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you're only listening again, we were at the bait barrel
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: and after putting in the corn and oats that were
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: soaked in the fryer oil, we added some outdated bread
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: that was moldy. So that's why we were talking about
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the mold. But he said, if you soak it in
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: some grease, then they're more apt to and to get
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: after it. So yeah, our ingredients included oats, corn, grease.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Barely were birthday cake and beaver meat. The most interesting
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: part about it was that there is some tactics involved
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: with baiting, like early on, when he's doing the sort
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: of prebating to set the stations up before he's got
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: hunters coming in, it's only the oats and the soaked
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: and the reason he does that is because the oats
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: don't fill the bears up. They just go right through
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: the bears. They kind of just poop them right out.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: And it's very evident when you're at the bait site
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: because it's like a twenty yard radius where it's almost
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: like a just a smear of bear poop of oats
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: that are just there's still whole, like they're just not
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: breaking them down, they're not getting nutrients out of them.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: So they fill up, they leave, they come right back,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: so he feels like that helps him come back. And
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: then as it gets time to hunt him, he starts
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: adding the corn and adding other things to sort of
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: sweeten the pot a little bit and hopefully make that one,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: you know, big bear come in during daylight hours. The
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: other more interesting thing was how into the beaver meat
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: they are. The first night, it was just hung basically
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: where they could get to it very easily, and the
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: first bear that came in got the beaver out of
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the tree, went off fifty yards and you could hear
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: munching on it. Other bears were coming in. They could
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: smell that he was over there or she was over
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: there chewing on that beaver meat. They would go over there,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: they'd tussle, you know, get a chunk or whatever, and
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: you once it was all gone, the bears started hitting
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the bait barrel. But that beaver meat is number one
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason. And I even asked Craig about, like,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: how come you just use roadkill, Like, there's moose around,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: there's elk around, there's deer round. And he's like, man,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: they're not into it, wow, not into it. But that
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: sweet beaver meat they love it. His theory is that
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: it's one of the first of easy available foods for
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: them in the spring, and the soal can teach those
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: cups to basically sit on a beaver run and hunt
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: them easily, and so they sort of grow up, you know,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: with a taste for it.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he was saying, they don't like fish, which
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: is surprising to me because it's just the stinky old fish.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: You think would just yeah, you with any anything, right,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: But if they're not used to it, if they're not
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: grown up on it as yeah, for a beaver.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: And now I would imagine that, like anything, if you
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: just kept giving it to him, kept giving it to him,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: that some would start to eat it slowly and then
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe they'd develop a taste for it. But anyways,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: so people want to know, uh, if like that changed
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: the flavor of the meat or the fat. Again, he
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: only bates him for about eight weeks total. Maybe that's
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: enough time. To change the flavor of bear meat. But
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: again it's mostly corn and oats. There's like some oil
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: on there. There's a little bit of the pastries and
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the sweet stuff birthday cake. Yeah, I just don't think
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: it's quite enough. The only time that we've experienced that
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: is with the Prince of Wales Island bears. They're literally
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: are eating fish or seafood year round, like they're always
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: scavenging on the beaches, whether it's they're eating mussels or
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: they got salmon coming up the creeks and or eating
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: those whatever it might be that bear meat. Steve one
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: time gave me a chunk and said close your eyes
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: and eat this, And when I ate it, it was
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: a smoked chunk of bear. But when you ate it,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: you thought you were eating salmon jerky because it just
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: tasted like a salmon.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: That sounds pretty good.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually wasn't bad at all. It wasn't like
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: it was rotten salmon. It was just you know, smoke.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: It was more of a smoked salmon flavor than a
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: smoked red meat flavor. So yeah, I don't think it
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: changes it changed it at all.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: So did you notice any different taste you did that
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: what was the recipe that you cooked up up there
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: at their their camp. Did you notice any off putting
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: taste in the neighbor the fat that you've been eaten on.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: No, the fat is completely What makes bear grease so
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: great is that it's odorless and flavorless. I mean, I
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: just I think that if you did a blind taste
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: tess and you had I don't know, olive oil and
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: avocado oil and whatever grape seed oil, bear would land.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Bear grease would land in the oils that are just
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the most flavorless and odorless. Like I feel like olive
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: oil I could probably pick out I'm trying to think
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: of one other one that's it's like just very very bland.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's just no flavor to it. It's great.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: That is.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: From YouTube at UA two eight nine to four asks
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: isn't it bad to feed the bears on that stuff?
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: We're all health?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the health of the bears. Again, if it was
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: a year round program, it probably would not be good
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: for the bears. Everything in moderation. You know, we did
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: hit this in a mediator podcast where there's some sort
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: of study being done. I think maybe even North Carolina.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: They excuse me, outlawed some these types of bait because
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: literally the bears there were getting tooth decay, tooth rot. Interesting,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: but again I'm assuming it was like a year round
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: program or just a lot of it. You know, bears
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: aren't brushing their teeth, and it was you know, it
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: was affecting the affecting the bear. So yeah, again, too
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: much of it, probably not good follow up question someone
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: asked when this encouraged bears to raise garbage cans. I
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: talked to Craig McCarthy this morning about that they do
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: not have like a higher prevalence of bears in garbage
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: cans or at people's houses than anywhere else where there's
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: bear human interface. You know, I think that once these
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: bears are off the bait, once the season ends again,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: there's just so much food in that habitat between acorns
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: from those oak trees and then all of the stuff
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: that they're growing, canola, corn, soybeans, it's orgum, you name
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: it, it's all there. Like those bears are just have a
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: lot of food at their disposal.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Fawns, calves, moose, deer.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure at some point, you know, when there's
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: when there's the when it's fawning season. I'm sure they
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: snack on a few beavers. Yeah, and beavers.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Well, okay, moving on from baiting m H. A few
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: folks asked if you could detail your archery set up,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: your bow and arrow set up. Where were you shooting?
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: That was a Matthews lift X at at seventy pounds.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: You know, my draw length is just shy at thirty inches,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I shoot a about a thirty inch arrow. Maybe my
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: arrow is twenty nine and a half. I'm shooting the
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: rip tkos with a two hundred grain head on them.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: There's a weighted insert as well. I think my total
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: arrowwight is right around five hundred grains for that setup. Yeah,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: anything else do you want to know about my bow
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and arrow set up?
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: No, that was pretty good. I don't think we're going.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: To single bevel broadhead from iron will. That's what I
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: shot through it, and yeah, got a nice pass through
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: and the bear died fifty yards later, you know, less
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: than thirty seconds we heard the death moan.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember if you covered it in the
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: film or not, But where did you hit him? Did
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: you hit the middle just forward of middle of middle?
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Like you know, you just can't we we've replayed it,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: which is often fun to do in your video haunts,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: as you can replay and see exactly where you hit.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: But the light's fading just enough, that arrow's moving just
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: fast enough that it's hard to tell exactly where it
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: is because the bear, you know, shrugs just a little
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: bit as the arrow's going in there. It was hard
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to find the middle of the middle because your site
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: picture is just full of black hair and it's low light,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: and there's no shoulder crease, there's no ribs that you
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: can you know, see, there's no other coloration that you
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: can kind of work off of, you know, like a
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: prong horned antelope. I mean, it literally gives you a
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: spot to aim on its side where there's like a
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: right hand, you know, a right corner of white coming
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: up into its vitals and literally if you pull put
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: a bullet on that corner, it's money. Yeah, an all
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: black bear does not have that. And so you can
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: actually see me in the video sort of like moving
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: my pins around, going up and down. I kind of
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: come out of my peep a couple of times, just
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: because I really wanted to be sure, you know, and
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: try to get it into that middle of the middle spot.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we did a little neck cropsy and hit
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: gone right through the lungs beautiful.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how far did he go? Maybe fifty yards Okay,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: through some thick stuff, but easy blood trail even with
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: all that fur that could be tough to blood trail.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Bear. Yeah. You know, like any animal, people are always like, oh, come,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: there's no blood right off the bat. I don't think
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: that there is blood right off the bat, not the
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: kind of blood that you really want to see. I mean,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: sometimes you see it when you get a muscle wound
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: and you get some muscle blood like spurting right off
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: the bat. But really, when you go through the vitals,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: that stuff just doesn't start bleeding. You know. You basically
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: have to fill up that cap to start coming out
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: the edges right or the motion to start slashing it
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: out of there.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and with a bear, it has to it mops
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: it up like a sponge before it actually hits the ground.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Sure, bears can be very you know, if you've gotten
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the lungs good or you know, one of those big
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: arteries where it's going to cause the blood to be
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: coming out of the face right, that still takes time,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: and animals go so far so fast that people are like, oh,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: they have blood the first fifty yards. Well, you know what,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that's not an issue for me. If I don't have
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: blood the first fifty yards, it's just like, it's just
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: not a thing that I think about. And usually if
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: you made the right hit and there's a bunch of blood,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: it's like the animals they're dead at fifty yards. So yeah,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: not a thing I'm too worried about.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I was curious you weren't using illuminated knocks. I was
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: you were, Oh yeah, excuse me. Obviously I didn't watch
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: it enough.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: But that's good.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Obviously the lot of shots on those big boars are
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: going to be at last light. Yeah, so much be
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: able to see, especially if you're film and look back
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: at it.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Sure, see where you hit it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Let's see at c JJ ninety eight asks, doesn't safety
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: say to use a gear, harness and pulley to get
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: your bow rifle crossbow into the stand with you? Yet
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Jannis climbed up with it in his hand.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: What do you have to say about that?
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: So, yes, I knew this would be a thing. The
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: first night I wore a saddle and I was tethered.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: In the second two nights, I did not. So these
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: stands were what I will consider a low stand ten
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: feet maybe your butts twelve feet off the ground, Like
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you're just not that high. You don't have to be
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: that high, right, just like a little bit. And it's
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: probably more for to be able just to see and
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: get the right angle over foliage and stuff, more than
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: trying to hide, you know, like with deer hunting, trying
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: to get twenty feet up all the time because it's
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: like part of the hide. So, yeah, it was a
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: huge stand. It was a two person stand. It had
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the bar around it. Yes, could it be bad if
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: you still fall eight feet or ten feet off of
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: a ladder, one hundred percent? It Uh, Just in that
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: moment I felt very safe that I could make it
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that short distance. I wasn't that high off the ground
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: that I could deal with this safely, you know. And
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: then the second and the third night, once I was
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: in the stand, I wasn't. I wasn't strapped in again
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: big wide platform. I was only you know, my feet
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: were like eight or ten feet off the ground.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Long enough for that seven foot bear to grab your
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: foot if you wanted to.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. But yeah, so one
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: hundred percent. Kids, when you're climbing up into those stands,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: you should always use a rope to pull up your
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: rifle or your bow, like when I'm in Wisconsin, I
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: always do that. It's probably impossible with the way I
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: climb up into a tree, probably be impossible to go
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: up with the bow in my hand, But yeah, that's
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the way you want to do it. Again, it was
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: literally like three steps for me. It just seems so
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: short that I wasn't worried about it. Well, thanks for explaining.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: We have another clip of the film to show and
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: we'll explain what we're seeing here. Phil take it away.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm out.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: So for those who couldn't see what was going on
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: on the first day of your hunt, we see Craig,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: your outfitter, standing feet away from the bait drum and
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: feet away from two bears before he leaves it to you.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: A bunch of folks wrote in asking what the heck
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: what's going on? Why are those bears so close to
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: the guy and not getting spooked? They almost look tame?
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Can you explain the scene, Yanni.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, And you can see on my Instagram too.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: There was other videos and you can check out Craigs.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Excuse me, this Lacroix is really giving me some gas
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: in my chest. Ah, there's other videos out there where
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: that same day, we're messing around, we're setting up camera
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: gear and whatever, and behind our backs there's bears already
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: coming to the bait because we've already prepped the bait.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: And at one point I try to just sneak alongside
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the can am and I get within yeah, two or
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: three feet where I could reach out and smack him
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: in the face if I wanted to write it's a
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: young bear. So I was talking to Craig about that
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: this morning and he's like, he's like, look, you gotta
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: look at it that. Here's this food source. They're interested
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: in it. There's a bunch of bait in the area.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Those young bear it's a competition. Those young bears are
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: pretty much like, if I want to get some of this,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I got to be here first. Sure, And so I like,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: there's certainly accustomed to the sound of the buggy coming in.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: It's like a dinner bell probably.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, and so they're there and they want to get
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: first crack at it. Right, and they're ballsy enough to
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: where they're like, yeah, other things whatever can am humans,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I'll take my chances because I want to get some
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: of these galleries. So yes, it's like it's again, it
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: does make it. It gives it this like oh, they're
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: like they're tame. Well they're tame when they're young and
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: they're hungry, and as they get older and they start
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: to dominate, they start to not be quite so bold
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: in during daylight hours. Like they've had weeks where the
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: big bores only show up in the dark and the
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: clients don't get to kill a big boar because those
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: big boores haven't figured out yeah, out smarter them somehow.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Well, there's other scenes of bears getting really close to you,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: and I was curious once that can am leaves. Where
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: did those bears acknowledge you three, their two cameramen and
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: yourself in the tree.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a weird thing when you've never been
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: there to get used to that, because they sort of
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: like come in and then they glance up, but then
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: they just go back to what they're doing, so they're
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: very aware of your presence. Again, I just think that
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: it's like this bait is here. They want those calories.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: There will there that risk reward. They're willing to do
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the risk for the reward. Again for whatever reason, the
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: big boar is not doing that that much. So they
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: know that the threat is there. And like we're still
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: when we're setting up on those baits, we're still thinking
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: about where are the where's the boar gonna come from?
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: What's the wind doing? Because the wind was set up
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: just right for when that boar came in that he
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: did not smell us like it was a kind of
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: a crosswind, and so had he like looped the crosswind,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: he would have smelled us. But he came in on
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: the trail and he just he just never cut my wind.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: It could have been a totally different thing had he,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: you know, looped around and gotten our wind. I don't
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: know what the result would have been. That bear never
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: knew we were there.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: The boar so well, we have some clips showing just
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: how close some of these bears got to you. Oh,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: such good climbers. Looks like he's kind of taking his
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: time too, Is that right underneath you?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's kind of coming up the side where there's
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: no ladder. Those are max his feet. You could see
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: and I'm on the other side of the tree.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Another bear coming from the field.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this one you can see, it's that's a cub.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: That's that was had come in with that with the
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: sal which you can see underneath Eli there a big
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: cinnamon bear is a sow and she had a black
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: cub and a blonde cub. And I'm not worried at
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: all about that little cub like that, dude, you know,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: you can pop him in the nose and you're and
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: you're probably gonna turn him the other direction. But if
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: that soal thinks that there's danger in that tree because
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: you just popped her, you know, cub, that's the problem,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: is that, like you piss off that sow because that
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: soal is not that much smaller than the boar that
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I ended up killing. She's a tank, yeah color yeah,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: so yeah, we didn't have anything like that happened in
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: our tree. It just happened to be that when that
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: sow sent those cubs up the tree, that that one
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: chose that one that Eli was in.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's what was happening. They were retreating from that
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: boar coming.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: In, yes, exactly. And that happened a lot like every
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: single night, there'd be a soal in there with cubs.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: They're doing their thing. And then a lot of times,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: even before we saw the other bear, the sour would
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: make some grunt, some noise, some movement, and those cubs
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: would just be, you know, thirty feet up a tree
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: in a heartbeat because the boar's coming in.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: So what would mom do.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: She'd hang out kind of at the base the tree.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: If she had to shed, she'd sort of charge at
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: those other bears and run them off. But yeah, I
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: think she was out of all the bears we saw
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: in three days, she would have done that to every
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: single bear except the one that I killed. Oh really, Yeah,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: if if she would have charged him, it would there
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: would have been a little battle Royale on our hands. Yeah.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Those look like yearlink cubs.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: No, those were definitely not yearling. Those were probably second
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: year cubs. Those were pretty there's the second night you'll
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: see it. There's a lot of clips on it on
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: the episode, but the second night, those are probably more
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: like yearlink cubs, like one year old, not like born
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: that year in the in the den, but one year old.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I think those were probably two years old and getting ready,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: because those were like decent size. I mean, when that
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: one's next to Eli, it doesn't look that much smaller
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: than Eli. No. Oh interesting, you know, so coming on
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: two hundred pound bear, you know, I doubt that's a yearling.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: They're eating good. They are eating good.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Hard to say, obviously, Oh yeah, for sure. Let's say
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: another question from at Relaxing Drives six oh seven five.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: I've never hunted bears before, but I'm confused about how
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: you all get away with moving and talking so much
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: and not spooking the bears. Can you please comment on this.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I understand the bears see very well, but they get
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: face to face with the cubs in the tree and
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: seem to be unbothered. Are they aware you are there
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: and just don't fear you?
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent? One hundred percent they just haven't. I
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: think they do fear it, But again it's that risk
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: reward for that bait. And again we're not out there
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: doing jumping jacks and hooting and hollering like we're doing
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: some talking. It's very quiet. I think that if you
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: climb down out of the tree, you're gonna run the
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: bears out of there, right if you start yelling and
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: talking in a normal voice, you're gonna probably run the
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: bears out of there. I don't know. We didn't. We
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: didn't test that because I think that the whole goal
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: is that you're trying to like minimize your presence so
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: that the bore who is sketched out about the situation
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: so that you can fool him into coming in.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Well, it's seeing you move is one thing. But do
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: you think you must have had pretty decent wind when
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: they were all hanging around there or did they not
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: really mind that.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: As it just it depended. But yeah, we never like
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: those your stands, never set up upwind of that bait.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Sure right all the time. Yeah, but well that would
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: be the wrong version. So it's set up in a
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: way so that most of the predominant wins of the
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: area are going to not be blowing right at the bait,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, I think if they were again,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: because they don't see that great this fella seems the
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: thing that they do or this person but bears right,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: in your opinion, not the best vision.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Can't fool their nose. But yeah, they're they're a little
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I'll question what they see until they smell it or
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: even hear it. Yeah, they'll look at you for a while,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: but if they smell it, you may not ever get
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: a chance to see him. It's over normally. Let's see,
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: here's another question. What signs do you look for to
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: tell a bore from a sow on camera?
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: M definitely just a stockier front end, especially those with
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: those younger bears. I don't know if it's impossible, but
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think I could tell. But as those bears
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: get older, the boars have just a more shoulders on them,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: and then they'll they almost start to walk. And you
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: can definitely see it with the bear that I shoot
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: when he comes in, there's like a little bit of
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: a swagger his front toes or pointed inward almost a
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: little bit. And just the body shape the sow seems
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: to be rounder, I guess if that makes sense. They're
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: pear shaped. Definitely rounder in the butt, yeah, rounder in
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: the butt. Yeah. Other than that, it's it's basically the
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: cub thing.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: It's not easy. It's nice when you get some time
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: to look at him. Oh yeah, But in spotting stock,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: especially around here out west, it's hard to get enough time,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: first of all to be able to tell the difference.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: But yeah, make sure cubs is the biggest giveaway, like
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: you said. But that bore was obvious, like you said,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: coming in hot, swaggering, owning the joint.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Let's see.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Moving on, we want to flash another clip from the
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: film which shows just how smart black bears are.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this one we hung that basically like
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: you hang some food in the back country in bear country,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: looped it over a limb, had it hanging down, and
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: then had tied it off there on that tree that
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: where we had that mote. Cammer never even looks at
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: the barrel. He goes straight to the not so easy
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: to get beaver carcass and never gives up. He climbs
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: every tree in the vicinity multiple times. He eventually realizes
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that the yellow rope is attached to the beaver, and
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: after enough manipulation, he gets what he wants. Oh there's
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: something about that beaver meat that a barrel full of use.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: So smart at our video playing services having some issues.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: But that was basically the end of the clip.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we got it. That's a very abridged version
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: that bear. I think that bear knew that we had
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: put that. I don't I don't want to say that
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: he knew that we put that beaver carcass there. But
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I think that he knew that somehow we were associated
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: with it, the same way that he kind of knew
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: that yellow rope was associated with it because he came over.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Because you got, the whole thing happens there in a
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: span of a minute or two, but that actually lasted
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: closer to an hour. Wow. And that bear came and
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: climbed our tree multiple times. And he definitely had a
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: little bit of a huff and a puff and an
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: attitude to him about it when he was coming up
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: that tree, as in kind of you know, and again
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: it's a little bit of anthropomorphisation here, but you're thinking
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: that the bear is like, hey, you guys have something
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: to do with that thing, Like I need to come
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: up here, and maybe if I do something with you guys,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: that'll make the you know, the beaver carcass fall out
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: of the tree. I don't know, but like I said,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: he went up every single tree and just messed around,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: messed around, messed around until finally, you know, he gets
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: a hold of that rope and then he sees that
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: when he's holding onto the rope, the carcass is moving,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: and he just kept messing with that rope until the
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: carcass fell down. Clay in his new book, he dives
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: into I haven't read this part, but Clay told me
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: all about it about how black bears are, like it's proven,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: it's study that they are the most curious animals, and
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: like they're able to do more problem solving than any
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: other wild animal on our continent. Right, So this is
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: like a prime example of that bear being like, oh,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I want that. I'm going to figure out how to
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: get it, as opposed to just being like, oh, it's
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: out of reach, I'll go and eat the stuff out
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: of the barrel. There's a trip. And again, that was
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: worth the price of admission, was to go there and
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: watch that bear problem solve.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: That And was that bear able to devour that whole beaver?
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Did somebody else come and see.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: He ran off with it eventually? And then other bears
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: would you know, go into the woods where he was
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: and you'd hear some growling and some you know, I
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: could see what was going on. But again, like they
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: love that meat, and I'm sure someone else got a
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: little little bits and pieces of it.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Well, smart little bugger, mm hmm, he hasn't got an
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: interesting coat. Too, he's kind of trying to become a
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: either cinnamon or blonde.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that or he's rubbed out hard to say.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could have rubbed that outer coat off. Let's
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: see where are we at here. We talked about how
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: they love the beaver meat over the sugar and the baits. Yeah,
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: you did eventually get a chance at the target boar
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: and made a pass through shot. Your reflections on site
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: picture and taking the shot were interesting since you've never
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: been that up close and personal with a bear.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Sure, and we kind of covered that. It's just like
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: it's a big black target and your site picture. Had
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: he been at thirty yards, it'd be easier to pick
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: the middle of the middle because you can just your
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: sight picture, you can see the tire bear. But when
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: he's at twelve yards is I think how far the
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: shot was, Like, you can't see the top when you're
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: looking through your peep you can't see the top of
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: the bear or the bottom of the bear. You can
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: just see black, and so it was just a little
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: bit of a challenge to find the middle of the middle.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: We got a clip here if you.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: What do you think about that looks good man? Looks
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: got good blood mine. See there's some bubbles in there.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, ah on here.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: It was tough because you know it's getting a little
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: bit dark and you're so close to him.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That like your whole site picture is just black bear, right,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: And so I came off him like three different times,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: going Okay, there's his leg. Okay, there's this, you know.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Bottom of the bear.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: There's the top of the bear. Yeah, okay, there's the middle.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's the middle of the middle.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Let's move on to the next one, Corey. Yeah.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: YouTube question from at regular guy dash J four l
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: asks honest question. If the bear was wounded, did you
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: have a backup weapon? And can you even have one
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: in Manitoba? A pistol is what he's referring to.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know the answer as far as can
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: you have one in Manitoba. I don't think I could
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: have traveled up there with a pistol. I'm not sure.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't look into it. I did ask that of
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Craig when we were tracking the bear, Mike, would this
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: be something you normally do? And he normally does have
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I believe a shotgun, I can't remember it was that
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: or or lever action some kind of a small, handy
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: maneuverable weapon that he can pump off some rounds if needed,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: you know, and he usually does pack that, but he
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: had forgotten it. He did feel confident with my I
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: report on you know that we had thought we made
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: a good shot. We heard the death mone, we heard
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: him crash not far away, like he felt like we
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: were going to walk in there and find it. But normally,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: he said, when he is tracking, he does have a weapon,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: but I was I was not carrying one.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: How long did you guys wait after your shot?
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I mean we really only waited because, well, one, you're
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: making a television piece of television, so you know, the
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: camera guy's got to wrap their stuff up, and you know,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: we're trying to shoot stuff and make sure we got
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: it all covered. And then I forget how far away
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Craig was, but it took him I don't know, twenty
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: or thirty minutes to get there maybe, and so yeah,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: not that long, yeah, thirty minutes. Well that helps to
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: be patient. Let him expire, just make sure, yeah for sure,
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, we want to show the bore you got Phil.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: Wow, Yeah, he's a thank look at that.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: He's a beast. Look at that animal. Nuh, that's a
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: mature bar right there.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: Someone we're looking for.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: You got him?
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: Wow?
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Look at him?
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Pause.
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's a big bear. Oh yeah, look at
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: the head on him.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that suckers thick.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Oh he's awesome.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Thanks buddy, Thanks Craig.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I love that bloody handshake.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: What a giant, giant beast.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. People asked if that was my biggest one. Well,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: that's my only bear. It's not true. I killed one
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: of the mingus treed in our backyard once. That was
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know, seventy five pound bear. He was eating
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: our chickens and when I called the ward and he's like, look,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: you can kill him or I'm gonna have to come
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: and kill him. If you kill him, you can put
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: the meat in your freezer. So I chose that route.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: So this is the first one that I went on
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: a hunt and got. M Yeah, I'm stoked. It's a
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: big bear on the top of that one. Yeah, I
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: mean he's got a we think we I texted Craig
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: if you remember what we green scored him nineteen and
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: change is what he thought on this on the skull,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: which I think twenty inches is like Bunakrockett minimum twenty
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: one is all time, and he thinks he's squared around
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: seven and a half feet. So yeah, big old, big
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: old giant bear. I mean, I'm soked on its. Bears
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: are kind of nice. It's kind of like a turkey
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: in a way, where any mature bear just like any
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: mature Tom. You know, Tom's become a little mature sooner
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: than a bear. But they're all nice because they're all
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: like big and fat and got a big skull on them,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: And like, I don't care if it's an eighteen inch
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: skull or twenty one inch skull is I don't think
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: that's ever going to be a thing for me, or
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: if the hide is six feet versus seven and a
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: half feet, Like, I was just happy with the experience.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Now that I have a skull and a hide at home,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm probably not going to go try to
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: kill another bear to have another skull and more hides.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: We just don't have things to do with them these days.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Like my hide is basically laying on the in the
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: middle of our living room, which is fun Mingus has
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: been taking a lot of naps on it. I've laid
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: down on it a little bit. I have a dream
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: or a vision where once I move my woodstove to
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: a place where you can actually right now, it's like
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: in the entry area, which I understand why the guy
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: did it, but I would prefer if it was like
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: in a corner of the house where you can sit
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: in a comfortable chair in front of it watch the fire.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: I'd like to have that hide laid out in front
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: of it there where I could have my hound dog
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: sleeping on it. I could kick my feet up on
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: the hound dog that's on the bear hide. You know,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to try to preserve this hide by
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: any means like I'm gonna use it. I'd like to
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: use it as little literally as a rug of some
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: sort on the ground. I'm not going to just hang
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: it up on the wall just to be just to
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: be able to look at it. That being said, I
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: don't need more hides. I don't need more skulls. What
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I do need more of is bear me.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Oh amen.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: The more I eat it, the more I like it.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: And it's just such a nice change of pace from
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: all of the super leannessin you know, whether it's elk deer, pronghorn, moose, whatever.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: All that stuff just gets to just kind of be
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: the same after a while. And it's nice to have
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: some meat. It's got some fat in it. So I'm
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: on one hundred percent and to keep hunting bears, but
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: primarily for the meat.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good changeup. And here in Montana and
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: a lot of places seasonally add to your freezer in
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: the spring.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: People feel obligated, I think to do stuff with hides
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: and skulls, especially with bears. I mean, in some places
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: you have to pack it out. But honestly, it's for me,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: it's not That's not what I'm into bear hunting for.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: I want the meat and the fat. Like we're almost
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: out of all of the I know. Someone asked, well,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: we can just go to the next question.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, let me let's bring this one up at
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: max straight six two three five asks what are your
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: thoughts on scoring bears. I think we've established that is
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: there a better way to identify trophy status or does
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: it even matter? Skull size is very difficult to assess.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Even some pumpkinheads don't score as well as you'd expect.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: As much of the appearance as can be soft tissue.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing yours went around twenty inches. A great example
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: of what our province has to offer must be a
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: local manitobin. But yeah, good point. I mean, if you
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: mentioned that skull was under twenty I harvested a bear
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: last spring, that sounds like we need to clarify. This
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: might have a little bit bigger of a skull, but
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: he did not go as long or as squared as
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: your bear, so he'd had a big, wide skull, which
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: probably helped that score. Growing up, we just worried about
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: at length, like you were always looking for a seven
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: foot bear, which is pretty rare to find in Montana.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: I know of a few, but they're hard to find.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: That's an old bear. It doesn't always mean it's an
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: old bear. They're just a big long bear, so you know,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: good jeans on the hoof or on the paws, they say.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Scoring a bear in the field as far as Boone
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: and Crockett and Pope and young is very difficult. You'll
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: know if he's got a big old noggin on him.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: But most people that I know look for the length
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: knows to tail. As far as what establishes a big
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: bear and the size of a bear that you can
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: brag about to your friends or whatever.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to continue to try to kill
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: bears and just kill ones that aren't the size of
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: a black lab. Someone asked, or maybe this was just
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Corey asking how much the bear weighed and how much
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: rendered fat did I get off him? The bear was
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: three hundred and eighty eight pounds. Because I had to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: travel with all that back from Manitoba to Montana and
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: you know, airplanes and all that, I got surprisingly more
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: meat and fat back than I thought I would. I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: filled up I don't know three yetty soft sides, and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: I still had I felt like the majority of a
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: bear left because I had you know, hide and skull,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: and so we had enough time because we killed on
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: day three and didn't leave until day six or seven.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: That we processed well. Rough process basically just got the
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: meat into ziplocks and we were able to freeze most
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: of it, and so I actually then just put it
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: into big, heavy duty garbage bags and just literally filled
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: a duffel bag I think up to one hundred pounds,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: and we just paid the extra fee on shipping that back.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: So I had an amazing amount of meat and fat
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: coming home with me plus hide and skull. But in
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: the end, when I rendered that fat down, I ended
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: up with about two gallons. I think I probably could
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: have gotten at least another gallon, maybe two. I mean,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: we weren't being like super picky about it when we
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: were breaking it down again because I knew I just
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: had limited space to get at home. But yeah, there's
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: two gallons. Super stoked on it. I've been given away
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: too much of it and I'm only I'm down to
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: like two pints now and some sort of starting to
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: savor it a little bit. But I like sharing it
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: because people are like, no way really bear oil, and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, check it out, and they're like, man,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: it's just so pure. You would never know, you know
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: that you're eating barre oil.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: Two gallons is an insane amount compared to some of
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: the bears that I've I've taken the fat off here
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: in Montana. Have you talked to Clay about the two
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: gallon mark? Is that is that a lot for down
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: South too?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Man? I just think a lot of it, Like that
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: bear he ended up winning three eighty eight. Craig the outfitter,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: felt like, had we killed that bear in the fall,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: he could have easily been four eighty eight, if not
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: five point fifty, right, because they're just and that's pretty
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: much all fat. You know. I'm sure there's getting some
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: muscle too, but they're just putting on fat. So I
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: think a lot of it just depends on what status
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: state you catched him. I know a guy that killed
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: a giant bear, like a solid six and a half
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: footer here in Montana, and he killed it on the
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: last day of rifle season, which is late November. And man,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: he said that they actually spent more time packing fat
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: than meat. Wow, Like there was like in just like
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: wait wait, wise there was more weight in the fat
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: than there was in the meat, and I forget that
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: was like six six gallons. I think that he got
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: like I almost didn't believe him, but when he started
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: describing sort of how the he said that the fat
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: just sort of there was a layer that just went
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: all the way right down to his paws and then
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: it sort of stopped right where his paul was. But
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: from here it just jutted out and you could just
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: like jiggle the fat all the way up his arms
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: and just all just covering his entire body. So I
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: it just depends on you know, what he's been eating
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: and what time of the year it is, because that
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: that's a you know, right before he goes to hibernate,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: that's when that bear is going to have the most
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: fat on him.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Well, let's see, we know what you're doing with the hide.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, mingus is sleeping on it right now. So
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: last question, which a ton of folks asked, do you
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: plan on doing this hunt again?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent, no doubt. Like I said, with any hunt,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: I say, it's a lot of times to Steve going
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: to Mexico for kus dear. I like going the first
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: year to a new ranch because you get to experience
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: a completely new ranch. Have you don't know anything about it.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: It's just one hundred percent mystery adventure is great. You
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: spend a week there. The next year, I'm excited to
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: go back because I have some relationship with that landscape.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, don't need to go to that high point.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: That one wasn't good. We need to spend time here, here,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: and here because those were the best glassing knops, right,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: that's where the action was, and sort of that gets
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: me excited. And then the third year you kind of
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: have it. I don't want to say dialed, but you
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: got a pretty good idea of what the program is.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: And by the fourth year, I'm like, man, let's go
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: to start this process over again, because I just don't
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: want to keep doing the same thing over So I
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: think when you look at it with a baited black
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: bear hunt, it's the same thing. Sure I went there
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: and experienced it, but it was only three days. Yeah,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: I was successful, but like I want to still there's
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: more there that I did not get to experience yet.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Right and again, I think the next time a giant
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: boar comes in, I will recognize that giant board probably sooner,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: and my heart rate might actually be spiking more than
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: it did on this trip. The one thing I would
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: like to do that I think would be fun is
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: that instead of being up in the tree, is doing
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: it down on the ground and just being even that
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: much more intimate with the bears and just being at
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: eye level with them and just seeing how that plays out.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Just again for something different, you.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Know, maybe tie a beaver carcass around your.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Neck that I'm not gonna do. No, no, I'm not
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: gonna do that, and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: put any castor sent on my boots, nothing like that.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think building like a little ground blind
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: and just setting up downwind. I think that that'd be
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: a way to do it because as close as you
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: are ten feet up in a tree ten yards away,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: if you were on the ground at seven yards, it'd
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: be that much closer. It'd be cool. So we'll see. Yeah,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: we've actually booked some spots with Craig for twenty can
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: remember was twenty seven or twenty eight. So yeah, not
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: a hunt I need to do every single year. But
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: if you're like, hey, let's go up there and haunt
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: a bated bear. Kill abated bear, come home with some meat,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent in for every other year. What
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: about you. You've never done a baited black bear hunt?
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: I imagine No, I haven't never had the opportunity. We
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: neighbor a state that allows baited bear hunting in Idaho,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: not every unit, but some units. I would totally try it.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: I'd love to get that close and see that many bears.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's interesting about debating is a lot of states
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: regulate it much differently. Because, of course, as soon as
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: I came back from Manitoba might call my friends in
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin saying, hey, have you tried beaver meat, because that's
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: the thing right in Wisconsin. You can't use any kind
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: of meat product.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Oh really Yeah, restrictions.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't use any kind of a metal like
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: fabricated can either. The bait has to basically be in
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: a most people will use a hollow stump or a
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: log and put it in there. So yeah, it's uh,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: they restrict it a little bit. So if you're going
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: to go do it, you know, make sure you know
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: your state's regulations for sure. But yeah, one hundred percent
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: want to go back. Man, it was a great time.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: McCarthy's were great people, so awesome camaraderie, awesome time in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: camp and uh yeah, just a fun hunt.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: Well good, Yeah, baiting bears. Don't knock it till you
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: try it.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: No, I'd like to share it with more people. I
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: think that's Craig mentioned this too. It's like a great
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: animal for people to get their like first bow kill. Right,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: There's just a lot of opportunities. You know, maybe your
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: goal isn't a giant one. Maybe your goal you go
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: up there and you're just like, oh, I just want
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: to kill an animal with my boat. Well the shots
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: are nice and close, lots of opportunities. There you go,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: great meat. Another another good reason to you know, to
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: do a baited black bear hunt.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Well, any other topics you want to discuss.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: No, wish I would have brought my skull ins. We
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: could have met, you could have measured it for me
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: and told me if I had a booner or not.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: But well, maybe we'll have to make a little video.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: We can do that next time. But yeah, thank you
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: guys all for tuning in. And remember, in about a
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: month or so, we'll have I think one of Clay's
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: episodes will come out, or it will be one of
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Clay's films. Excuse me, Clay. One of Clay's films will
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: come out and you'll be able to punch in your
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: comments on YouTube and Instagram and he will do roughly
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: the same thing. But maybe he'll have Bear or Brent
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: asked the questions instead of Corey, because they'll probably do
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: it down in Arkansas. So thanks again for watching, and yeah,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: tune in next month for another edition of Meat Eaters
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: twelve and twenty six.