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Episode 18: The Toad-Faced Lady · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode eighteen of Revellio for May one,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I'm Amy, I'm Nicole, and I'm Tom.
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  Speaker 1: Back back again, back again.
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  Speaker 2: Hey.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bit of a slower news period from our
• 0:48
  Speaker 3: last episode, but one of the biggest announcements that happened,
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  Speaker 3: like these things always seem to happen, like right after
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  Speaker 3: we're done recording, but we finally have official cast confirmations
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  Speaker 3: from HBO for the show, and to no surprise of anybody,
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  Speaker 3: everyone that was confirmed is everyone that's been rumored for
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  Speaker 3: the last several months. So we did get confirmation that
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  Speaker 3: John Lithgow will be Alvis Dumbledore, Janet mcteero be, Minerva McGonagall,
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  Speaker 3: Papa Sueto Wi be Severa Snape, Nick Frost as Rubis Hagrid,
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  Speaker 3: Luke Tallon or Thalen sorry not quite sure to pronounce
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  Speaker 3: it as Professor Quarrel, and Paul Whitehouse as our guest Filch.
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  Speaker 3: So it seems like maybe they were waiting to kind
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  Speaker 3: of have a good amount of Hogwart's staff to make
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  Speaker 3: the announcement. They definitely played up, you know, like we're
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  Speaker 3: you know, here's our initial Hogwarts staff and kind of
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  Speaker 3: grouping everyone together, but it is official now.
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  Speaker 1: It is weird though, because like we all knew this
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  Speaker 1: was coming, Like why didn't they just when all these
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  Speaker 1: rumors came out? I don't understand.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the one thing I think of is
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  Speaker 3: because I don't think we really had too too many
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  Speaker 3: rumors about, Like I wasn't actually expecting like an argist
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  Speaker 3: Filch announcement in there too. I don't think I had
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  Speaker 3: seen him floating around. So yeah, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: it's just like they wanted to confirm this group of
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  Speaker 3: people before they announced, but yeah, just very interesting since
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  Speaker 3: obviously none of this came as a surprise to anybody
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  Speaker 3: since right.
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  Speaker 1: No, like they could have done a Dumbledore McGonagall snape announcement.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that would have made more sense kind of throwing
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  Speaker 3: Filch in with Like this group of people is interesting,
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  Speaker 3: m weird, like rather than being let's focus maybe on
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  Speaker 3: like professors and then like other.
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  Speaker 4: Staff. But yeah, very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: But I do find it so nice how excited John
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  Speaker 1: Lithgow and Nick Frost are about this, Like Liz cow
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  Speaker 1: keeps just like talking about it and talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: Nick Frost keeps posting about it on his socials, So
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of nice and refreshing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I mean I'm wonder if this
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  Speaker 3: means like we'll start to see other.
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  Speaker 4: Casting comes around soon.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously the last few months there'ship has been so much
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  Speaker 3: focus on these individuals in particular, So it'll be interesting
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  Speaker 3: to see if the discourse starts shifting now towards other
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  Speaker 3: casting now that we've gone in these confirmations. But either way,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's exciting. Yeah, lots of talk online about it,
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  Speaker 3: of course.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, lots of controversy too, because of we all
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  Speaker 2: know Papa's casting is sever Snape, Like the accounts are
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  Speaker 2: flooding like with comments asking them to recast Snape and
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  Speaker 2: saying not my snape. There's like this you know campaign
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  Speaker 2: right now going on like anything. It's like Harry Potter
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  Speaker 2: count posts. They will just spam their comments section with
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  Speaker 2: those with those comments and like very rude, and I
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  Speaker 2: think it speaks a lot of that side of the
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  Speaker 2: Harry Potter fandom that I believe is very toxic and
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  Speaker 2: we've known like for ages, like ever since I started
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  Speaker 2: being a fan. I saw this side of you know,
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  Speaker 2: people who are trashing the films because they were in
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  Speaker 2: a carbon copy, you know, of the books, Like it
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  Speaker 2: was like, really people who want everything exactly the same
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  Speaker 2: as the books, and anything that you know, slightly tills
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  Speaker 2: away from that, it's going to be considered like a
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  Speaker 2: complete mess and unacceptable. And I don't know how they're
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  Speaker 2: going to manage to pull this off, because they do
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  Speaker 2: seem that they're going to be taking some creative freedom.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll have to see how this unfolds.
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  Speaker 1: It's such a shame that this has become the discourse though,
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  Speaker 1: because this is such a big role to Land, Like
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  Speaker 1: you'd have to imagine, like he's probably excited about this.
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  Speaker 1: He wouldn't take it if he didn't want it, and
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  Speaker 1: it's such a big role. And I just feel bad that,
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  Speaker 1: like everything has been so negative and we haven't even
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  Speaker 1: seen his portrayal yet, Like I want to see it
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  Speaker 1: and know what he's going to do with it. And
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  Speaker 1: I understand there's the side of things where people are
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  Speaker 1: concerned about the dynamic between him and James and all that.
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  Speaker 1: Totally get that, but I would have to imagine, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they've seen that discourse and they're probably going to maybe
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  Speaker 1: make a couple changes to address that. In a way
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  Speaker 1: because seeing it ahead of time and kind of knowing
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  Speaker 1: that that's what people are thinking, it gives them time
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  Speaker 1: to make some adjustments and you know, make it not
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  Speaker 1: that way.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think they've definitely seen it because all the
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  Speaker 3: comments were turned off on all social medias for this
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  Speaker 3: casting announcement.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, imagine when the trio gets announced. That's going
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  Speaker 2: to be they're going to have to shut down comments
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  Speaker 2: from all of their posts, not just the announcement, because
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be it's gonna you know, it's hells will
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  Speaker 2: break loose like it is. It is tough, and it
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  Speaker 2: is like it's hard as a fan to see this
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  Speaker 2: like shifting towards a new direction and seeing these new
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  Speaker 2: people being cast in these iconic worlds that we've known
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  Speaker 2: for so long, and it you know, unless the casting
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  Speaker 2: is to them perfect, and anything that comes out of
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  Speaker 2: that is you know, they they'd rather not watch the
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  Speaker 2: show or just you know, cancel it or or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's it's great that they are choosing
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  Speaker 2: someone so different than what we've seen already, and I
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  Speaker 2: really hope that's what they do with many of the characters,
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  Speaker 2: because we don't want to see identical, you know, portrayals
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  Speaker 2: from the films. You know, we want this to be
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  Speaker 2: something else, something separate. I always say the same thing,
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  Speaker 2: and I sound repetitive, but you know I'd rather see
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  Speaker 2: something in the completely new light. And this is part
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  Speaker 2: of it. Even if we got a you know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: black Harry or black or you know Hermione or I
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  Speaker 2: would be excited because it's something new, Like it's not
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's it's not finding someone who's like Dan
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  Speaker 2: Rupert or Emma. Is finding someone who looks like the
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  Speaker 2: character and plays the character in auditions and earns it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the same thing that happened when Noma auditioned
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  Speaker 2: for Chris Child and they were very very straightforward about it,
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  Speaker 2: being like she was the best for the role. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't that they were just casting black Actorsmione. Yeah, she
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a single less Harmione than Emma, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: she was exactly as Hermione as she was. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: I hope that they really do take these creative I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, like Risks, I think it will help the
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  Speaker 2: story and the TV show, But you know, with this,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, with this outrage, it's like hard to tell.
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  Speaker 1: Although I do think how they fix some of that
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  Speaker 1: outrage would be to cast more minorities, like there's no
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  Speaker 1: way he's the only one, no, you know, So yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're teasing something here. I think they're they're
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  Speaker 2: they're probably just you know, preparing us for one of
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  Speaker 2: the bigger characters to at least be different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's how you fix some of
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  Speaker 1: the concerns that are happening as well. So hopefully, Sorry Nicole,
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  Speaker 1: what were you say.
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  Speaker 3: I think that like maybe we just shouldn't have remade
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  Speaker 3: Harry Potter so soon.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that.
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  Speaker 3: Really, I think it's like and obvious because we've talked
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  Speaker 3: a lot about, right, how we all have very like
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  Speaker 3: conflicting opinions about it, about being excited about new content,
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  Speaker 3: but also like why are we you know, why are
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  Speaker 3: we doing this when we have almost this you know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want necessarily say perfect, but great nostalgic you
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  Speaker 3: know already when And I think it's just really the
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we're seeing similar kind of discourse with like
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  Speaker 3: live action remakes that you know, other people like Disney
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  Speaker 3: and stuff that are doing as well. And I think
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  Speaker 3: it's really hard when you touch something that is so
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  Speaker 3: important and nostalgic to a lot of people, and the
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  Speaker 3: fact that it's happening like within the same lifetime of
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people and not a lot of years
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  Speaker 3: in between is always going to create problems because you know,
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  Speaker 3: like we grew up with these books and these films
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  Speaker 3: and everything, and now you know, yes, it's been a
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  Speaker 3: while since the last film, but it really hasn't been
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  Speaker 3: that long, and it's like, Okay, well here's this whole
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  Speaker 3: other new representation of it. And I just think, like, right, like,
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  Speaker 3: no one's going to be perfectly happy, even if you're
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  Speaker 3: open to Like I'm somebody who's open to the show,
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  Speaker 3: but I know I'm not going to be perfectly happy,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, So it's yeah, I just think that maybe, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe we shouldn't have decided to remake
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  Speaker 3: it and maybe have continued on with.
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  Speaker 2: New stories yes, yeah, animated show, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Or just yeah, or may have made it animated. I
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  Speaker 3: still h I love that idea.
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  Speaker 1: Still finish fantastic fees.
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  Speaker 3: But right, right, maybe let's start there, let's start with
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  Speaker 3: well finish.
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  Speaker 1: We start it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but do we think that the TV show can
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  Speaker 2: potentially Rooin the ip, Like, do you think it will
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  Speaker 2: have that power? Like it will it diminish everything the
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  Speaker 2: movie have has accomplished.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean I look at things
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  Speaker 1: like Lord of the Rings and The Rings of Power, right,
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  Speaker 1: Rings of Power. A lot of people didn't like it.
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  Speaker 4: But it wasn't a remake. It was just an extension
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  Speaker 4: of the.
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  Speaker 1: Story, right, But I don't think it diminished in any
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  Speaker 1: way the original trilogy of films.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I still think like that whole,
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  Speaker 4: like extending.
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  Speaker 3: A universe versus remaking a universe is really what's the
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  Speaker 3: different key here. I mean, I don't think it would
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  Speaker 3: ever like completely damage it. Like I know I was
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  Speaker 3: quick to say yes, but I think it's like a
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  Speaker 3: spectrum kind of of Like I don't think that it
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  Speaker 3: would ever taint the established things that we have because
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  Speaker 3: we all have those feelings about that in that nostalgia,
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  Speaker 3: but it could definitely taint the discourse around Harry Potter
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  Speaker 3: or fandom or fandom attitudes. We were already seeing that
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  Speaker 3: kind of a little bit, and so.
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  Speaker 1: M that we saw that after Cursechild too.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely, So, I think like the new medium has
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  Speaker 3: the ability to do that, But I don't think I mean,
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  Speaker 3: kurs Child didn't change anybody's love for like the original
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  Speaker 3: series either. But again, it's still more of an extension
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  Speaker 3: than a remake. And yes it did dabble with like
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  Speaker 3: changing some storylines of the original, but it still was
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  Speaker 3: such a separate entity. Like I think this will be
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  Speaker 3: really interesting to see what happens because this is the
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  Speaker 3: first time we're really dealing with like a true remake
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  Speaker 3: of something that was like this massive franchise.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah and still is to this day and super popular.
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  Speaker 2: They're expanding it with a new park all you know,
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  Speaker 2: set in the universe of the films. So obviously they're
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  Speaker 2: still planning to to you know, use this because otherwise,
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  Speaker 2: what will the point be of doing this, Like what
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  Speaker 2: why would they keep using the film assets, the film
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  Speaker 2: actors and you know, if they don't have any intention
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  Speaker 2: to continue promoting that. I just don't know how they
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  Speaker 2: are going to execute it because we're seeing literally two Harrys.
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  Speaker 2: Are we going to have like two Harris now when
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  Speaker 2: we go to universal on the posters? Like, how is
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  Speaker 2: that going to look like? You know, just like you
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  Speaker 2: saich nical, it's not an extension it's in a literal remake.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, and we've never seen something like that,
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  Speaker 2: because even the Percy Jackson series, it's something different because
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: the movies didn't really do that well. They were canceled
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  Speaker 2: after the second one and then they had to remake
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  Speaker 2: it into this TV show. But the films have been
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  Speaker 2: so successful and they have been such an important part
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  Speaker 2: of thousands and millions of people's lives for twenty five
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  Speaker 2: years almost, So it's very risky, like it's very new
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  Speaker 2: territory and risky for someone to do that with something
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  Speaker 2: that's so beloved. And yeah, I'm just very like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how I feel about
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  Speaker 2: this show yet, like you guys know my opinions, but
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  Speaker 2: like I think also like I'm trying to keep an
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  Speaker 2: open mind all because I know it's going to happen
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  Speaker 2: whether I like it or not. So now it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: what do I do, Like, do I distance myself from
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  Speaker 2: Harry Potter because I don't want to see the TV show?
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  Speaker 2: Do I give it a chance? Do I? And I'm
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  Speaker 2: still like I need to see when they confirm the
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: trio and see how I feel about it and if
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  Speaker 2: it feels like its own thing, or if it just
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  Speaker 2: feel like they're carbon copying the original trio, that will,
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  Speaker 2: you know, be very unsettling for me there because I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I want them to do something completely new,
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  Speaker 2: like one hundred and eighty Twist and Turn and something new,
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  Speaker 2: not keeping the same aesthetic, not keeping the same like
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  Speaker 2: make it its own thing. I think that's the only
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  Speaker 2: way it can work and have like coexist, because if
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  Speaker 2: one thing is like in the same universe and they
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: are using the same sets, the same costumes, the same
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  Speaker 2: props and everything, then it's literally just Warner Brothers saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we're replacing this because we don't care, and it's a
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  Speaker 2: and I feel like it's also like a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a disservice to you know, icons like Michael Gamblin
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  Speaker 2: and Robbie Coltrane and Maggie Smith and so many people
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  Speaker 2: who embodied these characters for so long.
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  Speaker 3: It almost seems like because you know, if you think
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  Speaker 3: about the last several years, right like when we were
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: younger and this whole book to you know, visual adaptation
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  Speaker 3: started happening. It was all about turning books into films.
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  Speaker 3: And at the time when Harry Potter came out. It
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  Speaker 3: was during that era of we make film adaptations of books,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like, as time has gone on, now the
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  Speaker 3: more typical medium for these big series is to make
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  Speaker 3: it a TV show instead of a film. And it's
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  Speaker 3: almost like Warner Brothers is like, well, gosh, darn it.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of wish Harry Potter had come out now
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  Speaker 3: because we would have always done it as a TV series,
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: which I think it would have always done better. I agree,
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  Speaker 3: I think it would have done better as a TV series,
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  Speaker 3: just because you've got more time to tell the story. However,
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  Speaker 3: like we have to recognize at the same time, like
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  Speaker 3: when Harry Potter came out in books was when we
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: were turning them into films, and that's yeah, that's just
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  Speaker 3: it is what it is. It's all about the timing.
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  Speaker 3: And I agree it would be better as a TV show,
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  Speaker 3: but unfortunately it didn't come out in twenty twenty like
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  Speaker 3: it came out in the nine you know, in the
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  Speaker 3: nineties when we were making films, and I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that's necessarily enough to justify like, all right, let's go
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  Speaker 3: back and remake it now that we see how successful
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  Speaker 3: adaptations are on TV. Over film instead of just cutting
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  Speaker 3: our loss that we had it as a film and
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  Speaker 3: a great film series at the end of the day,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: like it still was a great film series.
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  Speaker 1: YEP. I wonder if part of it is trying to
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  Speaker 1: capture that generation that's framed much the streaming generation, because
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  Speaker 1: they don't necessarily sit down and watch a full movie,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: but they'll binge TV show stuff. So I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of the idea here, is like capture that
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  Speaker 1: new generation of Potter fans who maybe won't sit through
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: the movies, but will sit through it if it's forty
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  Speaker 1: five minute episode. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just yeah, I think it's I
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  Speaker 3: think we like it's like the same idea of like
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  Speaker 3: they it just I think the idea is maybe and
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: I think we're I mean, we are seeing this kind
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: of start to happen with other like Series two, but
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: differently right, like we're gonna happen of a Twilight reboot here,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: but they're going the animated route, I believe, And so
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I think we are kind of seeing this reboot of
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  Speaker 3: like let's yeah, let's remake these things to appeal to
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  Speaker 3: what is most successful now. But like at the time
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  Speaker 3: when these things came out, they came out in the
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  Speaker 3: form that was most sucessful at that time. And I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think there are still a lot of kids like
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  Speaker 3: nowadays that like do sit and watch, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: watch the films. But I do agree that there might
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: be this like trying to capture like a new audience,
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  Speaker 3: because I do think TV shows are have become bigger
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  Speaker 3: than films in a lot of ways as time has
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  Speaker 3: gone on, which is unfortunate. I think like films are
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  Speaker 3: still are still a great medium, but I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm kind of nervous that maybe this is going
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  Speaker 3: to you know how, like Harry Potter's kind of always
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: been that like gateway for a lot of things, Like
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: they were the first film series to like split their
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: last film, and then all of a sudden everybody started
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: to do it, and like I kind of have this
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: fear that like now everybody's going to start thinking like, ooh,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: should we go back and remake this as a TV show?
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: And she can't make this it is. It's always been.
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  Speaker 3: That like pioneering thing, and so I'm a little nervous
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: about that too.
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  Speaker 2: If it's successful. Get ready for the Games reboot and
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: all of these franches that we yeah, like they're going
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: to scrap.
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  Speaker 3: The Twilight animated, They're gonna make it live action everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also think it's about keeping the IP
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: updated and about creating content. And because JK. Rowling does
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: not seem does not want to create a new story
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and does not give permission, which is weird because she
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: does give permission for video games to happen. She did
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: give permission to create Hogwarts Legacy, she did give permission
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: for Hobwart's Mystery, so and she does give permission for
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Epic for Universal Rides for their own stories. So why
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: can't she just give permission for a new TV show?
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, do you think it's because like she's just
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: in a place where she doesn't want to write new stories,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: but she's not willing to let somebody else write the story,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: like she wants to have full control over, which we
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: saw with Fantastic Beasts, and like, you know her screenwriting
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: as being someone who's not a screenwriter, and if it's like, well,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: if I'm not going to write those extra stories, nobody
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: else's obviously like hers child was interesting because she did
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: kind of give rights over to a playwright, you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: to write some there. But I've always thought that that, yeah,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: and so now it's kind of like they're in the
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: spot where Harry Potter hasn't just had its heyday and
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: moved on.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: It's still just as popular.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: And if you if your author is not willing to
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: let other people write or create, then you are kind
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: of pigeonholed to like what you the source material you
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: already have, and if write. I believe, of course Warner
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Brothers wants to keep Harry Potter relevant. It's one of
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: their biggest, you know, properties, So like how do you
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: keep it relevant? You kind of have to just keep
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: doing what you can keep doing with the source material
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: that you have. And I think that's where like other
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: franchises like Star Wars and stuff can be so successful
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: because it's not like pigeonholed into one.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Writer and one creator.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: They have all these other people that are writing different
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: stories within the universe. So they have the ability to
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: expand and tell new stories because other writers are able
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: to do it. But yeah, if your author is not
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: willing to give that rights to other people, which I mean,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I get it's like your story at your baby, Like
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I get.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: That but.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't you want
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: your story to still be super relevant and to grow
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: and to still see the popularity of it, Like I don't.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I guess I don't understand necessarily that mindset per se.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think Warner Brothers is going to
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: be quick to give up Harry Potter and or say
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: we're done with it, there's no more story to tell.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: We're just gonna keep rehashing what we.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Already have, and then we'll come the remake of the
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: AID films and twenty fifty and then the.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: TV show again, or there'll be some new medium and
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: it's just going to be that many.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: It's going to be tiring.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: How many iterations are we going to live through.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: In our lifetime? Can one be animated?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Please?
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Can we just animated.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: So when we're in a nursing home we can watch
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the animated Harry Potter series?
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, oh my god?
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: But yeah, well sorry everyone, we kind of went on
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: a tangent there in our thoughts.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: So yeah, of course we're going to talk about it.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: And yeah, and I know we've brought it up different times,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: and I feel like our opinions keep very like I
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: feel like this episode, I've been a bit more negative
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: about the show than I've been in the past, and
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: so I think it's really reflective though of my thoughts
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: on it. Like I just keep kind of ping pawing
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: back and forth about how I feel about it, And
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I think something about getting this official casting does make
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: it seem more real. Obviously it felt real before, but
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: like it really feels real now, and so I think
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: now it's bringing out some feelings than me that maybe
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I wasn't addressing before.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, let's let's move on.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, let's move on to happier things,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: but we're literally talking about on Bridge this episode.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: So there's only so much happy you can get happy
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: we can get.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: It's her energy, it's her energy today.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: It is it is because so our next bit of
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: news is regarding Record Store Day, and we talked about
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: this on our last episode. I'm still a little bitter
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: about Record Store Day because I was not able to
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: get Sorcerer's Stone on vinyl when I was able to
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: get all the others, and so I'm still feeling a
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: little better about Record Store Day too. But on the
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: plus side the re releases of the four the first
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: four soundtracks has put John Williams back on the charts
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: in the UK, which is excite, yes.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting because soundtracks don't usually no heart.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Well, and twenty years later.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I wonder how many copies were sold.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, every record store sold out quicker and they
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: were so in the the I mean, I remember when
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: it was almost my time to get into the store
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: and I was talking with one of the workers at
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: my record store and I was like, you know, kind
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: of asking him what was still available, and when he
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: kind of told me that they had you know, Chamber
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: of Secrets and Prisoner of Azkapan and Goblet of Fire,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: but that the first one had sold out really quickly,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I was like what I mean. I text Amy that
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: morning and was like, these people are not in line
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: for Harry Potter, you know, don't worry about it. Get
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: to your store when you can, Like people are here
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: for Taylor and Grace when they were there for that.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: But like, and then my thing too was like why
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: did you.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Just buy the first one? Why did you get the
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: others right?
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Because yeah, yeah, And so I don't know if it
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: was just to kind of have that first one. But yeah,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: people people were cueuing for it, and I am surprised.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, the same kind of thing though. When
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I went to my record store, they were out of
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the first two but had Prisoner of Goblet, Prisoner and Goblets.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: That interesting, that'll be the next generation.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Mathups of all.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, when I got up to the counter, I
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: was talking to the guy at the counter and he
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I was shocked how fast these sold out,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Like we never sell soundtracks, and suddenly everyone was buying
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: these soundtracks. I'm like, yeah, it's so a little weird.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Didn't think that was gonna happen.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I was not anticipating that at all.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Here we are.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but now they're.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Being resold for way more than they should be online
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: and I'm probably gonna give in at some point to
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: get that first one.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: So yeah, but congrats to John Williams.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: And as a huge movie score fan, it's always exciting
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: to see them on the charts because, like you said,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: a mean typically don't see it. So yeah, And a
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: little bit of theme park news, not a ton, but
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: the new twenty twenty five limited edition one has debuted
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: at Universal Hollywood So every year Universal comes out with
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: like a limited edition wand that you can get and
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: it comes in like a different box, and sometimes they're pretty,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: sometimes they're not so pretty. The one this year is
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: actually really is really nice looking, but it looks like
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: and I'm not positive, but it seems like this one
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: might just be exclusive to Universal Hollywood. It did debut
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: during their Universal fan Fest Nights, which sadly is only
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: at Universal Hollywood. But yeah, if you like collecting ones
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: and you find yourself at Hollywood, there is the new
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five limited edition one and it is interactive
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: as well. It's not like that I don't believe it's
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: that two point zero interaction. It's like the original first
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: done interaction, but that is now available. And there's also
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't add this on the dock, but bird Tom
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: sending us we're getting our first popcorn bucket that is
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Harry Potter inspired and it's so cool and I don't
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: need it, but like, probably we'll have to get it
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: because I'm a sucker for everything. Time turner, So it
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: is the time Turner and it debuted at Universal in Japan,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: which there they always get the coolest popcorn buckets. Like
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: at the Disney parks in the Asian parks, and so
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I was really excited to see that they are bringing
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: the same Time Turner popcorn bucket to the US and
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: it will be at Hollywood and Orlando, and it looks
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: so cool, and.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Which is funny because they announced that it was coming
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: to Orlando, like literally right after we said, oh, we
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: couldn't see this actually coming to Orlando because it always
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: does better in Japan.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: And I thought it would just go to Hollywood.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it would just go to Hollywood as
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: part of this FanFest thing and we wouldn't see it
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: in Orlando because I think, like popcorn buckets are huge
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: at Disney, but they're never I don't think they've ever
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: really fully taken off at Universal per se, there's always
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: some like I saw a couple in the shops like
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: when I was there. But yeah, I did not think
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: that this would come to so gosh, darn it, I
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: might have to get it. And the last bit of
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: news here is we have Universal announcing plans for a
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: theme park in the UK. So this park will be
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: located in Bedford, England, and it will be the first
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Universal branded resort in Europe.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: So this is super exciting.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: So obviously we don't know a ton about it yet,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: but we know that it will include, in typical Universal fashion,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: several themed lands, rides, innovative attractions, exciting entertainment, and there
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: will also be a hotel and then other retail, dining,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: and entertainment complex, probably not as extensive as something like
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: City Walk, but to that kind of effect. And construction
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: is expected to start next year in twenty twenty six,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: and the park is planned to open in twenty thirty one,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: twenty thirty one. So that's really exciting, Tom Will. You'll
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: have to be our tester of this part now that
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: you're on that side of the world. And no, super
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: exciting because the UK doesn't typically get a lot of fun.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Stuff like this.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, I mean do we think I mean,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: this is probably a stupid question, but do we think
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: we'll see the Wizarding World represented here as one of
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: these theme lands?
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Of course, the home of Harry Potter. Right, how do
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: you make.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I read that they're not planning to put Wizarding World
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: just now because they say that Universal doesn't have rights
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to Harry Potter in the UK. They only have rights
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: to Harry Potter and the US. So their plans do
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: include other other sagas in sirias and famous franchises, but
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I think for the time being they won't do a
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Wizarding World of Harry Potter and they're being so close
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: to the studio tour.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: So say it probably has something to do with that.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what they're saying. Again, hearsay. I'm not,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: you know, one sure that there's not going to be
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: like it seems a little crazy that there's not going
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: to be a Wizarding World in Universal UK.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: But in all of their theme parks at this point, right,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: every location, Yeah, Wizarding World.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah wow, So.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Please talks media. I could say, maybe Universal starting a
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: like legal fight there.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: To gain some rights.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine a Universal Park without a Wizarding World.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Or they want to keep you know, getting tours from
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Europe into their theme parks in the States and you
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: want Wizarding World, Okay, you're going to have to cross
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: the ocean.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: You know that that's true. That's true, and I think
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: that obviously, right eh, Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense if there was it was in
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: your world. I'm betting it would be Hogsmead and like
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the like the more traditional park that they always as
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: always like hogs Meat slash Hogwarts.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: And right, you'd have to have Hogwarts like you can
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: yeah can, Yeah, I agree, Obviously it would be a
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: smaller park like similar I think to like you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: Universal Hollywood, and so it makes sense.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: To just have Hogsmead. And I think that we'll probably
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: continue to see these expansions like in Orlando compared to
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: anywhere else for sure.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: But it does make me wonder, like you can get
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: you can still get only Hogwarts, like in the US
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: and Beijing and wherever else they have universal theme parks.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: But what if they are trying to put something said
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: in the Harry Potter world that is not diagon Alley.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: It's not Hogsmeat, it's not Hogwarts, it's not the Ministry
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: of Magic. What could it possibly be like MHM to
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: offer something different.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Burrow.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Private Drive.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: The least magical plays.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Ever, like escaping the house, as all the letters are
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: like falling and swarming you.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Going at you.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: If you drive away in the car.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the Beasley Twins come and pick you up,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: but I support Anglia and carry.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: You yeah, it could be maybe that would be.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Terrifying but interesting.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, because it's hard because you know, obviously
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: with Epic Universe, they're kind of doing something different with
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: picking a location that like with Wizard in Paris obviously
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: from the films, but it's still not as iconic, you
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: know as Diagon Alley and hogsbat Is.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: But of course they're still throwing.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: In something that is iconic, right, they still are like
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna figure out a way to get
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: you back in time and to get you from Paris
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: to London so that we can still have the Ministry
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: of Magic because we need to have something that's really
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: recognizable to people. Yeah, yeah, and so what what more
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: could you like if you wanted to have something new, Right,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: It's like we're kind of running out of like these
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: very iconic locations that haven't already been built.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: So interesting, Well, yeah, more to come on that, and
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: maybe there won't be Harry Potter and so we.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: You know, I won't.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Sorry, No, that makes.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Sense though, it makes sense because I think, yeah, it
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: being I thought it'd be cool because it's like the
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: birthplace of Harry Potter, but I could also see how
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: that could have challenges in terms of rights because you
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: want to and we do see this, right, Like we
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: see this in also Universal parks in America, Like with Marvel,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: they're allowed like Disney is like allowed to have Marvel
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: in disney Land, right because they don't have Marvel kind
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: of But in Orlando they can't have Marvel characters in
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Disney because the their Universal has the rights to like
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: the comic book sense. It's such a mess and that's
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: why we see Guardians and you know in Orlando. So
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: we've seen this before where there's like issues with rights
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: to things in certain places. And it could definitely be
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: because of the studio tour and just all the other
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: kind of Harry Potter events that already happen in the UK.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: But there might be some issues there between like Warner
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Brothers and Universal.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we'll see, we'll see what what happens.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that was all that we really had for
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: the news this week. I ended up talking a lot
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: longer about news that I thought we would.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, so today we are going to be delving deep
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: into Delor's Umbradge, everyone's favorite, yes, the most beloved character
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: in the franchise. So just a little description. She is
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: described to be a short, squat woman resembling a large,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: pale toad, and that is pointed out quite often in
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: the books, like the toad reference really kind of like
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: you know, happens quite often.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: The bow that looks like a fly perched on her head,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: like one of my favorite descriptions.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: So a little bit about the etymology of the name.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: So Delor is Latin for pain or sorrow. Ombradge is
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: a word of Late Middle English or Old Friend origin,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: meaning offense or annoyance. Umbra in Latin is the root
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: of that English word umbrage. The Latin umbra means shadow
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: or shadowy outline and basically means something suspicious, pain.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Sorrow, of annoyance, offense, suspicion.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Shadows each and every one of those boxes. Yeah, so yeah,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: lots of darkness to shadow, like you know, it's it's
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: a great, great like dissection of the word, the section
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: of the word. And yeah, so a little bit into
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: So we have a long bio long history, more than
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I thought of when we first suggested discussing her. So
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: a little bit about her childhood. She's the eldest and
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: only child or Or for Umbridge who was a wizard,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: and Ellen Kracknell, who was a Muggle. She also had
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: a swip soon from before her marriage. She secretly despised
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: both her parents, Or for It for his lack of
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: ambition because he had never been promoted and worked in
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the Department of Magical Maintenance at the Ministry of Magic,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: and her mother Ellen for her of flighteningness, untidiness and
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: muggle leanage. Sounds very Umbridge.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting that she already had this prejudice against
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Muggles so early, and you got to wonder where that
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: comes from, because if one of your parents is a muggle.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Her father clearly didn't care because he married a muggle.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: So where did she learn this?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Not her brother, either her half brother or you know right.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I think some of it is just like her, like
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: unfortunate inherent person, and I think some of it is
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: like as we'll kind of delve into as we kind
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: of go throughout her history. There always seemed to definitely
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: be a very strained relationship with her mother because it
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: just didn't follow necessarily Umbridge's ideal like ideals obviously, right,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: She even, like you just said, like she had an
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: issue with her dad because of his lack of ambition,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: and as we'll talk about in a little bit here,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Umbrage embodies the Slytherin quality of ambition, and it's kind
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: of like when she doesn't see her qualities mirrored in
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: somebody else, there is this disdain that happens, and I
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: think that, Yeah, I just I wonder if her disdain
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: towards Muggles really stemmed from the relationship with her mother,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: things that happened through the life with the mother and
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: the fact that at the end of the day, her
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: mother was a Muggle, so that was like the thing
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: to kind of latch onto. It just kind of created
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: this disgust really for all Muggles because of yeah, because
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: of just her mother and having the Squibs like for
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: a brother. And I feel like there's just some childhood
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: trauma that kind of started there, you know.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: M hmmm, yeah, Well, yeah, interesting that you mentioned that,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: because they both blamed her and her father. They blamed
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Ellen for the lack of magical abilities of her son,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: So maybe that's also where it stemmed, from the fact
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that he wasn't magic and to her that was outrageous,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: and you know, and their family wasn't a really happy one.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Their parents had a very unhappy marriage. They split when
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: she was fifteen. She stayed with her father and her
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: mother left with her brother, and Dolores never saw or
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: mentioned her brother, her mother, or her brother again and
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: pretending to she pretended she was pure blood.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, rewriting history a little bit, Delores.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: What are you so afraid of? H Yeah? And she
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: attended Hogwarts and she was obviously sorted into Slytherin, which
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: kind of made me think, other than this very you know,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: straightforward and very ambition that she had, which is the
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: most obvious trait that we can think of, what do
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: we think makes her a Slytherin or traits averds?
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: So I basically said absolutely everything.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: I think that one, it's on theme for her to
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: be in Slytherin because she's a villain character and unfortunately,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: as we see, our villains can only be in Slytherin,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: and that that's me as a Slytherin. I think, like
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: specifically with her ambition, like I think it was not
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: really for the greater good, even if she tried to
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: hide it as being for the greater good, but it
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: was really about her own personal gain her personal power,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: her personal influence.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: I think that she's very cunning. She uses her quote unquote.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Charm in, pink get up and soft feminine persona to
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: get her way.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: She's very manipulative.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I think she's a resourceful she's like exhibits the self
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: preservation because she does what she needs to do to
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: protect herself and her career, like even if that means
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: she's going to hurt others, you know, in that way.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: I do think she's a natural leader, which is something
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: we see a lot with Slytherins. She's very assertive and confident.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: She's good at kind of stepping up and taking charge
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: and having influence over people. She's very self confident and
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: like her ability to do these things, and she's willing
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: to break the rules for her own gain. So she
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: really I think she really exhibits like all of the
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: qualities of Slytherin, but what's different about it is that
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: she's it's a negative dark place and purpose where I
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: think I also exhibit some of these qualities of Southern
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: but not from a like want to control the world
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: type of place, not from a dark place like I
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: have self preservation, but I think for a good way
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: where hers is, you know, in that more negative way.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah mm hmmmm hmm. Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: paradox here with her, and uh, these kind of like
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: she's like you said, she's seems like this very like
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: sugar coated character, and you know, there's always some cruel
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: and dark in tension behind that. And we're going to
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: discuss this this later. But it's interesting because she's all
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: about order and control and following the rules, but she
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: has no problem for her own good to throw the
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Cruciatis curse on Harry, you know, even stepping over a
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Carnelie Fudge who was the minister, Like she she literally
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: just for her own self preservation but not for the
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: greater good.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: It was like it's always has like this very dark
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: thing behind like this, you know, And I think there's
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: everything she does always has this kind of like double
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: double meaning like what she disguises it and the true
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: intention of it, which is always dark.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: H It's interesting because in any other house, yeah, through
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and through. It's interesting though, because a lot of what
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: she does is not necessarily for her personal goals. It
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: seems like she's got this weird like overall goal of
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: like you said for the greater good.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: See, I think she doesn't really well. I mean, we'll
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: talk about this a little bit more when we compare
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: her later with another character. But I think that she's
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: got this weird dichotomy right where it's like, I think
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: sometimes she disguises that it's for the greater good, and
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I think she does believe what she's doing is kind
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: of for the greater good, but I do think it
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: is still rooted in her personal like her personal gain.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: She's got this weird like you almost can't she's so
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: manipulative and good, you can't tell what is what is
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: for her personal gain versus what is she doing for
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: the greater good.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like this mixture of it and.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah mm hmm, yeah, and you can for.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: The greater good.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, is she doing it for the greater
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: good though, to like promote her career, Like if I
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: change this and everybody, this will put me further.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, that is very much.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: And the same as her hate that you know she
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: had for her mother and she despised her. It's not like, oh,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: you know she's she would we would be better off
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: without her. For the greater good it's because she had
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: something like very personal rooted inside of her that so
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of that personal thing. I think that
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: you know her her actions later on suggests like it's
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: not always like it could be disguised as being for
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the greater good, and sometimes it is, but other times
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: it's like you can tell it's very personal. So a
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: little bit more. Upon graduation, she quickly joined the Ministry
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: of Magic at age seventeen, and she started as an
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: intern in the Improper Use of Magic office. She was judgmental,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: to surprised of no one, statistic, and ambitious from a
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: young age, which we already talked about, and this helped
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: her quickly advanced by flattering superiors and taking credit for
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: other people's work. So yeah, and in you know a
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: little bit about her career at the Ministry, she became
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: head of her office before the age of thirty. This
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: one was, you know, very sad to read because it
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: really tells a lot about who she is. She had
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: her father retire early and paid him to disappear from
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: public life. She lied about her background, claiming her father
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: was a respected was in gam member and not the
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: man who was mopping floors at the ministry, and dare
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: anyone say anything about and ask her about his actual
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: parents the guy who mopped the floors because bad things
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: happened to those people. So her quote unquote peers pretended
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: to believe her side of the story for their own good. Hmmm.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: That makes me wonder if her issue wasn't necessarily like
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: with her mother, or didn't start with her mother, but
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: more was about the father. I wonder if she saw
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: him as this lazy, you know, non ambitious person, which
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: went against everything she believed, and because he married a Muggle,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: she assumed that that meant Muggles were also lazy on ambitious,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: lesser than.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Interesting, right, because it's like if he was ambitious and
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: wanted greater things in.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Life, like why would he seek out a muggle.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: To marry and set in a way subtle?
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So you've got to wonder like if he
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: was different and more to her standards, but still married
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: a Muggle, would she see muggles as negative or would
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: she see them as equal to because the father was
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: what she thought he should.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Be, I think she'd still see them as lesser because
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: I think she's like, it's ironic because she's not a
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: pure blood, but I feel like she takes on very
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: much that pure blood mentality, and so I feel like
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: she would still see them as lesser, but maybe it
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have come about in her lif life the time
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: that it did, Like maybe it would have taken her
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: longer in life, you know. But also maybe having this
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: brother who was like who was not magical too, like
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: also helped her to feel.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Like I'm greater than you. I have I have this ability.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmm, very much in the vein of Voldemort, right, Like, yeah,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: very like minded, which is I think what makes her
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: so scary ultimately, and people compare her so much to him, m.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Hm, right, because what was she doing to people who
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: knew her father? Mom on the floor, right, Like what
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: were these terrible things that happened to these people who
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: asked about him? Like, yeah, how did she not get arrested? Well?
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: And it's like she just seems it seems like there
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: was just a lot of like embarrassment there on her
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: part and like really just didn't want to be associated
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: with him and as being any kind of relative. And
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: it seem like that's really what drove her ambition of
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: like I need to make him disappear, and I need
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: to do things to people that ask about him because
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: I need to completely separate myself from any kind of
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: association with him. Yeah yeah, because it's you know he
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: like I feel like, yeah, I mean, she just saw
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: herself as so above people and God forbid. You know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: my dad is someone who mops floors, like you know, like,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I think she had an askewed view of people having
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: an opinion about her based on her family, her family,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: versus seeing her as her I think, and you do
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: see some people are like that, Like, you know, I
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: feel like your opinion of me is going to be
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: based on the people my family, or where I came from,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: or things you can't change. And given who she is
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: as a person, it actually makes perfect sense that she
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: kind of always felt that way.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: Like I don't want to be associated.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: With these people again, very similar to Tom Brittle, Like
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: why would I want to be associated with, you know,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: a Muggle parent?
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm hmm.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: They're just going to bring me down in life.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, h when her poor father probably wanted nothing to
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: do with her either.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Like right, I hope not because it would be heartbreaking
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: to see you know, him actually love her daughter and
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: that's how she repays all of these years of you know,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: taking care of her.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, because she went to live with him, you know,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: with the divorce, and so there was that different relationship
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: with him, and yeah, I think, yeah, at the end
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: of the day, he just did not meet her standards.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: And it's her father. Just imagine the conversation like, here's
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: this money, you know, early retirement. I don't want to
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: see you again. I don't want anyone to have any Yeah,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I mean it's got to hurt.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: You need to change your last name so that we're
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: not associated.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So a little bit about that. Her personal life,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: she attempted to marry her superior for status and she
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: didn't care who it was as long as it gave
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: her part power and allowed her to advance further. Again,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: this is like her personal advantage in everything that she
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: was trying to gain. However, she remained single because again
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: surprise and no one, most found her unpleasant. Again, she's
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: known for, you know, extremely prejudiced anti muggle views, which
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: even shocked her like minded colleagues when they heard her
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: suggested behind closed doors of what the treatment non magic
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: people deserved. So it just got me wondering like what
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: do we think what could have been? So you know,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: like dark that even like minded people like her thought
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: it was like too much, I know.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: And I couldn't think of like specific examples because I'm
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: I guess I'm not sadistic, so I couldn't really think
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: of exactly what she would have thought of. But I
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: think definitely like some extreme level of torture and like
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: maiming and even like talks of like an elimination, like elimination.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: This the whole thing reminds me of like Hitler, And
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: that's kind of where my mind kind of went with this.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: And I think, especially right, like you said, to have
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: a point where you've got like minded people that even
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: they are like, whoa, you're going too far, right, and
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: so I just yeah, I just really pictured Hitler in
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: the Nazis here and her having these ideas. Yeah, like
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: people were had these thoughts, but weren't necessarily like going
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: so far that they wanted to act.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: On them, right, right, Yeah, they weren't outspoken about it either,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: if they were, Like I think also like it's it
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: was a different time, so even for that time, like
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: maybe during Baltimore's Twain and make more sense, and people
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: would be like, oh, this is exactly what muggles deserve,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: and they probably got a lot of them got that
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: same treatment like you know, torture, may elimination and many
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: other you know ways of punishment, very very cruel, very sadistic,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: very So I think you know she was. I mean,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: they would say she was ahead of her time with
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: these suggestions and the words possible way. But yeah, like, uh,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: it really caught my eye when I read that because saying, Okay,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: she was really dark. You know she is. She's got
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: very you know, her intentions are not good and you
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: can see it from very early on and her childhood
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: and her young adulthood, and it just carries on and
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: which you know, brings me to my next point that
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: her taste and girlish accessories only grew stronger the higher
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: she went at the ministry. So the more she advanced
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: the pink ear, the color, the more you know, this
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: loving frilly decor and kidden imagery. And I think it's
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: an interesting power doox that we were talking there, because
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: the more power and authority and bigotry she absorbed, the
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: more pink, docile and sugary sweet she appeared so it's
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, like I said, sugar coating her evilness,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: and it's it's interesting. It's interesting because she looks more
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: and more docile, she looks more and more harmless, but
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: she's worse, you know.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, it's interesting because I don't know, probably most
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: women have discovered that if you present yourself in a
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: certain way, you're more likely to get what you want
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: in your male dominated workplace, right, And we've probably all
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: used that at some point.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's usually that more style submissive female. And
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: you've got Umbrage here, who's very much not that she's
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: very much, you know, And so I think that she's
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: very manipulative. Right, So it's like she kind of I
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: think she learned that if I play this more docile.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Little and they'll give me exactly what I want, and.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: Then before you know it, she's on top.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Very smart, very clever.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Well and well, and we're I mean not to spoil
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: a lot, but we're gonna talk about her in comparison
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: to to Bellatrex in a little bit. And I think, like,
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: keep this in mind because some things I have about Bellatrix,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: this plays right into it. And looking at like you know,
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: comparing how Umbrage looks versus somebody who's another evil character
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: and how they look and yeah, I think it just
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: really plays to like I think Umbrage is very I mean,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: oh god, I'm about to give a compliment. This is
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: I think she's very She's very intelligent. Yes, yeah, I
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: mean she's a slytherin. I'm going to give her some praise, right,
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: So she's got that going first. She's very intelligent, and
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: I think that's that. Yeah, that's exactly what makes her
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: scary and the same way of like Tom Riddle being
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: having that same kind of intelligent manipulativeness versus just a
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: pure evil like just it just seems like everything she
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: does there's so much thought and intention.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: Behind it.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh yeah. It's funny because when you think about
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: this frilly pink like trying to make yourself ultra feminine
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: so like people aren't threatened by you type deal. I
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: always think of Queenie and the situation where that she's
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: smuggling them out of the ministry or letoul we call
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: it Macusa.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: And she Lady Problems and she's like she totally plays
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: off the femininity get by.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: That's like it's.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: The same kind of thing.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because I don't want your like, Okay, I don't
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: want to know more. I don't want to know more.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: I don't want to know. I don't want to know.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah what, Yeah, you need to do.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: It's like just it's using the femininity for different ends.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Which is a very slithering thing to do.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so a little bit about you know, we're gonna
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: tap into her role at Hogwarts. So this is you know,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: we are moving to the year ninety ninety five when
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Fudge became paranoid with the idea that Dumbledore wanted to
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: take his job as Minister for Magic. She quickly took
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: it as an opportunity to stoke his vanity and fears
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: and came across as one of her only unconditional allies.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: This is her being manipulative again. Consequently, Fudge appointed her
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: defense against the Dark Arts teacher at Hokwarts and then
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: High Inquisitor. And yeah, so some of the things that
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: happened that year at Hogwarts where you know, she didn't
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: allow students to use defensive spells as according to the
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Ministry of Magic, they had nothing to fear. Then when
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: you know, Harry spoke out against the ministry stands. Regarding
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Voldemort's return, Unbridge punished him with cruel detention. She forced
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: him to repeatedly write I must not tell lies, using
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: a magical black quill that carved the words into his
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: skin with his own blood as in as ink, leaving
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: a lasting scar on his hand.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: You know what's interesting about her, and I think again
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: this will come up with my thoughts on her versus
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: Bellatrix later, is that she's kind of like and it
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: kind of what we were talking about earlier about like
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: what were these suggestions she had, you know, what to
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: do with the muggles. I think she's someone who is
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: not necessarily like all talk and no action, but she's
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: the type of person that will get others to do her,
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: to do the evil bidding for her. Like she's not
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: going to directly sit you there and carve and nime
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: your hand. She is going to have this, you know,
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: bewitched quill that's going to do it obviously on her behalf,
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: you know. Or I'm not going to to kill you directly,
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: but I will manipulate somebody else to do it.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: For her sake.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: I don't see her ever actually being someone to perform
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: a direct act of evil she finds a way, yeah, or.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Send a dark creature, send a dark creature somewhere to
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: attack the underage wizard.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And also probably is also tapping into that self
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: preservation part where it's like, well, this is my bidding,
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: this is my doing, but I'm not directly doing it
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: to you.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't directly carve that into your hand.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: I need you to write on the paper, right, And
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: how it showed up on your hand, I don't.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Know, which is probably how she got away with doing
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: things to silence the people who knew her father absolutely
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: for right, So she probably didn't directly do it, which
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: is why she never got in trouble for it. But
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: they all kind of made the connection of oh, we
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: better not bring this up.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm hmm.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, And that's a very like smart like like some
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: of your most intelligent villains, that's exactly how they do it.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: They're not they're not the exact one to engage in
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: the action. They find subtle ways to.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: Hurt you.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: M m hmmm hmm yeah. Yeah, the most clever ones definitely, yeah,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: m hmm yeah. So when so she judged and evaluated
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: many of the teachers, inspecting their classes and constantly interrupting them,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: and she tried to banish Professor Trelaoni from school grounds
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: and sacked her from her post as divination teacher as
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: she was considered unskilled for the role. Thank god McGonagall
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: came in and saved her.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, never mind the fact that Trelawnie literally
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: made like one of the biggest prophecies of all time.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: But yeah, let's go on about how she's unskilled.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. She couldn't even predict the weather for
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: tomorrow according to Umbridge.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: Like she.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Umbridge just wanted predictions on demand.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And I could see Umbrage being that
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: type of type of person who, you know, obviously divination,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: you've got people who don't you know, Hermione doesn't fully
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: buy into it too. And I think sometimes you get
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: these characters that are highly intelligent that maybe don't fully
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: have the buy into divination because it's like I get that.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: I feel like I would feel like I'd have question
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, if this is questionable, it's not based
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: in science or fact, this is you know, but it's yeah,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: it's her. It's just again another example of her unrealistic expectations.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Will you say that you're you can you know, tell
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: prophecies and you're a seer, Well, yeah, tell me what
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: the weather is going to be tomorrow. I mean our
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: trained weathermen can't even do that sometimes, like.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, or you know, like she wanted her
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: to predict something for her, and you know, Trelawny did
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: say like you are in great danger or and you know,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: she didn't buy it or she didn't like it or
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: whatever it was, and she decided to stack her. And
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: that's how ruthless she was too, Like she had no compassion,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Like Trelawny had nowhere to go. She literally lived at Hogwarts.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I think she's the only member of the faculty that
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: lives there aside from Hairgrid and uh yeah, because I
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: think the rest of the staff. I could be wrong
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: for me if I'm wrong, but I think the rest
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: of them do not live at Hogwarts throughout the whole year.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: I would say maybe if they don't, they at least
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: have somewhere that they can go.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it's all just like part of
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: her need to dominate and she has to be in control.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: So little things like that like sacking Trelawney someone who
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: literally has nowhere else to go. It, I mean, it
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: puts her on top and puts her in that dominant
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: position of I have literal control over all of your
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: lives right now.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm and double.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: He was like, not on my lawn.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: I love that scene so much because he's just you know,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: he just leaves her a ride where she has to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Like he literally is kind of like says, I'm the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: one who's taking the shots here, so bye bye. Like
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: you can sack her, but you cannot ban her from
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: You cannot banish her from the school ground because that
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: remains my you know, my my authority. So he was like,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: that's it.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: Well, I think she has.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: This like obviously, this very skewed perspective of well, the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: ministry controls everything, Like the ministry controls all your lives,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: we control everything magic we are, you know, because they
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: are the overseeing authority, right, And so she has this like, yeah,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: unrealistic idea of what being a ministry worker, what power
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: you have over people or what you can control and like, yeah,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: the ministry obviously does have a say in Hogwarts and education,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, Like you can't
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: just come in as a ministry worker and be like,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: I'm the highest person here, Like, no, your headmaster is
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: still the highest person there. But to her, she just
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: it made sense that she always chose a ministry career
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: because it can help feed her idea of power and influence.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: But she just has, yeah, a skewed perspective of it,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: and I think, yeah, getting cozy and with the minister
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: in terms of you know, being favored, I think just
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: helped her, helped validate those feelings that well, I'm I'm top,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: I'm top person at the ministry, Like who are you
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: to say anything to me?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: M And we get that a lot when we discussed
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: this later on about her when she becomes head mistress,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: you really see how she's savoring every single moment of
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: that because she knows she's at the top of the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: of the pyramid at that point. Yeah, So it's it's, uh,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: she's very interesting. She's been very deep character, you know,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: with a lot of layers. So she hated and feared
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: non human beings like hair Grid, the centaurs. She displayed
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: cruelty and obsession with control, which we already know, but
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: this also further emphasized the idea that she was that
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: she has this terror for the wild and the unknown,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: which is true because every time something exkews from her,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: you know, from her plan and doesn't go exactly the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: way she wants, she completely loses it and she turns
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: to these very desperate measures. And she says that the
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: end justifies the means.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: It's all about control, right, Like, if they're they're that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: wild and unknown, you can't control that, like you know,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: it's like you think of like creatures like the centaurs,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: like she has no power to control that.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: No, they don't the same rules that wizards do.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: No, not at all, And that is I'm sure that's
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: very terrifying to her, even if she's not going to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: outwardly say.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: It or you know, show it.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: But it challenged, Yeah, it challenges her ability to have
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: control over it.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm yep. So well again, a scene is in
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: her office. She has to speak, display of kittens on
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: plates and teacups, and it's everything's very bubbly, very pinkish.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: She often manages to hide her crew dark intentions, her
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: true dark intentions, and her true dark nature. She also
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: founded the Inquisitorial Squad, which included some infamous Slytherins such
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: as Draco Malfoy, Pansy Parkinson, Milson Bulstrode, crab Goyle, and
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: even Filch.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: They're just funny because wait a second, her brother was
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: a squib and she hated her brother, But she'll play
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: nice with Pelch because she can get him to do
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: her bidding, and Felch like worships.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: Her, yes, strokes her ego.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and I think she also loves that as well.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: M h. So she's using him for her own for
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: her own benefit. But at the same time, the way
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: she strokes his ego, the way he's always complimenting her,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: and he loves it when she gives her speech, he's
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: just clapping there really happy, like he shares those same
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: ideals of control and keeping the students like very you know,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: tied and yeah, in line, exactly in line. So I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: think they have that in common.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: Too, But it's like, deep down, she's actually really disgusted
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: by him because and you know magic and he yeah,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: he has no clue. He is just idoly worshiping her,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: and she's so good at putting on her two faced personality.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: But like, exactly, he gives her something she needs, he
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: strokes her Exactly, he gives her praise.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, since she's not getting that from the rest of
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: the staff, right.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Right, Obviously, it made sense that, yeah, that they an
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: interesting duo.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so a little bit about out this inquisitorial squad.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: Their job was to ensure order among the students and
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: also obviously hunt down the DA members dumbledore army, Dumbledore's army,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: but they mainly use the power to take points from
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: other houses. She gave unsuspecting students varied serum to interrogate
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: them about illicit activities. All of this. In this you know,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: she was already suspecting these She was, she was banning,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: she was all student organizations, so they were no longer.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: So she I feel like she was already suspected, and
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: she was kind of feeling there was something going underground.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: She discovered the DA's secret meetings at Hogwarts after coercing
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Marietta Edgecom to betray the group. Though she tried to
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: expel Harry Dumblore took the blame and evaded arrest in
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: a very epic escape. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so after this,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: she became she becomes headmistress through a new decree, and uh,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: this leads to widespread rebellion from students and staff, including
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Fred and George. They led major acts of resistance before
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: leaving Hogwarts, which included a portable swamp in a school corridor.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Even Peeves the Palter guys continued the chaos at their request,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: and teachers celebrated these acts. So I think I love
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: this part because it's like the school uniting against this evil, which,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: you know, like this very controlling and very also like
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: totalitarian person, and uh, it's like they all came together
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: and it's a nice it's a nice kind of like
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: rebellion moments from everyone at the school.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Was it Filch who like pretended he didn't know how
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: to clean up the swamp?
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: I remembering right? And didn't they like he left her? Yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: didn't you or not Felch flit Wick? Sorry? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: he pretended he didn't know how to get rid of it.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: And then like after she left, didn't he like keep
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: a little patch that was like an homage to friend
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: and George or something? Yeah? Right, I love it. I
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: just I loved that all the staff just totally hates her. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: and they're so like obvious about it.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, see I hear, you know McGonagall like just calling
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: her Dolores and just getting under her skin.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: That's great. Like McGonagall stance and her like, you know,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: she she really I think she really tries to to
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: take on this role of like a mama bear in
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: some ways, like of everyone, of all the students because
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: otherwise like even like when dun't well she does, well,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: we'll tap into it soon. But like I feel like
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: she's there like trying to be this this per you know,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: this person protect not just the teacher, but like the
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: mother of these students, protecting them from this person who
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: is making them right lines and carving these scars on
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: their hands and making them drink illegal potions. And so
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: she fires Hagrid and used forced violent force against him
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: and McGonagall. She resists, but they are both Eventually they
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: they are sacked, They are taken away from the school
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: and soon after attempting to contact Series via the FLU network,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Harry and several DA members were caught by Umbrage and
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: detained in her office. So when Harry refuses to confess,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Umbridge tries to use very serum for the greater good,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: according to her, but Snape had non left due to
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: her misuse. Okay, then she threatened to use the Crustiatis
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Court curse.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Unforgivable curses don't matter her. She's a rule breaker.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody else got her fall in line.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: Because she's doing it amy for the greater good.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Yeah. This is the scene where she
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: absolutely reveals that she's the one that ordered the Demantors
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: to attack Harry and Dudley.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: Again using someone else.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not me, It was of mentors.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: M hm.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: I ordered them, but I didn't tell them necessarily to like,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: you know, do what they did.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: M h.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: I just told them to go there, that's all.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just to see what was going on. I didn't
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: tell them to attack you.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: So Hermione tricked her into entering the Forbidden Forest in
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: search of dumbledore secret weapon, and this is where she
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: insulted centaurs and is subsequently captured by them. So her
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: biggest fear the you know, the wilderness, the lack of
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: control being taken by centaurs. Couldn't get any words for her.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: What I think here is where we see like and
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: this always ends up happening right, when you have like
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: an intelligent villain, you have somebody who is able to
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: kind of use stuff against them, And so it's like
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: you have Hermione, who is using Umbradge's need for control
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: and needing to know knowledge and needing to know what
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: is going on against her because you know she's not
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: going to be able to resist, you know, dumbledore secret weapon,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: Like how could she resist not knowing what that is?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: And she falls right into the trap because she's so
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: blinded by her need to have control and know what
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: is being done underneath her nose.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm h Yeah, Well Dumbledore rescues her later though
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: we do not know how he did it, but we
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: do know that she was left deeply traumatized and fearful
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: of centaurs after this. So yeah, this is a little
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: bit about her time at Hogwarts and everything that she
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: that she did, and yeah, so a little bit about this,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Like it was a little bit of a short downfall
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: because she is removed after the student rebellion and upon
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Dumbledore's restitution, but she uh soon after returns to the ministry,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: which is something that infuriated Harry, who wanted to initially
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: become an error but because they brought her back. He
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: you know, he thought they were not worth trustworthy anymore.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: He's been willing to trust the Ministry and makes him
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: kind of like question, what are the real intentions and
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: what a you know, what the Ministry of Magic actually is?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: So so Yeah, and she at the end of year six,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: she attends Dumbledore's funeral, though she didn't speak and was
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: startled by the presence of Fearence the Centaur, which I
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: think I was surprised that she when I read the book,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: that she was actually at his funeral, someone she despised
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: so much. But again, I think it's all about you know, her,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: you know, just kind of like showing presence and showing like,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to disguise and at least, I don't know,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: pretending to be sad about it, but just you know
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: that need to always be you know there.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: Well, there would be a lot of important people there.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's probably her face and optics thing helped.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe real Oh maybe Dolores isn't as bad as as
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: we think. Right, she could show up at this funeral
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: of somebody who she despised, or she's there to show
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: good face for the Ministry. Yeah, I don't think she
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: was there for Dumbledore at all, and she was there
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: for what she could get out of it. And like
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: you said, Amy, like right, who's going to be there?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can show my face.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: And if you didn't know her well enough, you would
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: buy that actually, m m hmmm. Yeah and yeah. So
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: during Baltimore's reign, she became head of muggle Borne Registration Commission,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: persecuting muggle borns. Again surprised no one. After Madie Moody's death,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: Unbridge took his magical eye and placed it on her
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: office door to intimidate ministry employees. So here it just
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: really like raised the question to me, Like I was like, Wow,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: she's like actually deranged. And I was like, who wins
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: this category? Does it? You know, Umbrich or Bellatrix? Because
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: there is some level of you know, dis quality in her,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: which I think really comes to life when she's either
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: desperate or when you know she has more control than
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: she could have ever imagined. But I don't know what
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: do you guys think?
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: So I have a lot of thoughts about So.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: I think I just I love a good I love
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: a good villain. I think that I think that with
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: Umbridge and Bellatrix. So for me, it's more about like
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: deranged versus evil. I think that they're obviously they're both sadistic,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: and they're both evil. I think that Bellatrix is more deranged,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: Like if we look at the definition of deranged as
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: being like crazy and insane, I think that Bellatrix is
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: she's just unhinged as a person, Like she's completely deranged.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: I think that like Umbradge is like almost too intelligent
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: to be like quote unquote deranged.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: And I think she still has like a little bit
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: of control.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: Correct, correct, where Bellatrix will just go off the deep end,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: you know, for whatever. And I think that you know,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: even with putting like mad eyes either it's again another
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: situation of like she didn't directly kill him, but she's
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: got this there as a symbol of like if you
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: cross me, like look, you know, look what can happen
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: to you. And I think that like they really embody
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: kind of two different types of evil. So you've got
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: like Bellatrix, who's your more classic villain, right, She's outwardly evil,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: she's classically evil, She's actually killed people. She's actually like
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: where we talked about how Umbrage is not one who's
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: actually done something to anyone. Bellatrix has, you know, and
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: she's proud of it, and she has no intentions of
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: ever coming across as good. She's like, no, this is
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: me and I'm going to own it. Whereas with Umbrage,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: we see her, you know, wanting to come across as good.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: And I think, like you have with Umbrage, obviously we
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: know that she's not good and everything, but from an
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: outsider looking at her, you could have that question of like,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: you know, who is this woman? But I think if
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: you see Bellatrix, no one's ever going to look at
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: her and be like, oh, she might be good, like
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, you know what I mean. You
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: know that she's evil. And I think that like Umbrage,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: being more that manipult manipulatively evil, and she does, and
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: like we've talked about, I do think she feels like
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: what she's doing is morally right, you know, and she's
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: not just doing it to be evil, where I feel
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: like Bellatrix just does certain things to be evil. And
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: so I think in that way, like Umbradge is the
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: more terrifying villain because she's got that manipultive piece versus like,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: you know, Belatrix just being she just does things because
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: they're evil, And I think that also makes Umbradge more
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: unlikable than Bellatrix, even though Bellatrix is maybe more like
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: she's the one that's gonna kill you, like you know,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: but Umbradge is more unlikable and scarier and she's so
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: too faced. And the other thing about Umbradge that's really
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: scary is she is in a position of power and
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: she has the ability to influence, she has the ability
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: to carry out these things that Bellatrix doesn't have, and
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: so that like makes her scarier. But I think, like
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: I don't, but I think, I guess long story short
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: is I think that Bellatrix is more durin.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: An Umbradge is more calculatively.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably the question would be best like which one
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: is which of the two is most dangerous? And I
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: think they're probably equally dangerous, but just the way that
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: they carry out their actions I think is completely different.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: But the outcome can be just as terrible in both
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: yeah as bad yeah.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Which, yeah, Like I had thoughts on that, in particular
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: because Umbradge isn't officially a death theater, like JK. Rowling
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: has come on and said, she wasn't a death theater,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: but she's in line with all of their goals, and
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: like her loyalty to the ministry made her just the
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: perfect pawn for that whole regime because when the ministry
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: gets infiltrated and you know, getting rid of muggles and
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: muggle borns becomes the agenda, Ombradge is there in the
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: position of power, totally willing and happy to carry that out.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: And that's like, honestly worse to me than if she'd
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: just been an outright death theater because she is that
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: person who's already there isn't necessarily doing this because she's
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: like loyal to the cause, but she's loyal to her
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: own ideas and the ministry and will just like do
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: whatever is the Ministry's bidding in that moment, like we
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: saw how she you know, she was going to do
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: whatever for Fudge, And then now the death theaters have
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: their people in charge in the Ministry and she'll do
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: whatever for them. Like it's kind of just which.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: You know, fits perfectly for her because at the same time,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: like you said, it just aligns with all of her ideals.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So she's like, Yay, finally I get to
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: do this someone.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: Who understands me.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like too, you could you could like
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: like avoid Bellatrix like in a way because like you
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: just know she's evil, right, Whereas, like I feel like
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: Umbrage she's got because she's got that manipulative nature about
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: her and she doesn't necessarily look evil. It's like she's
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: going to burn you when you're not expecting it. Versus
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: someone like Bellatrix or a death theater, you expect it
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: from them. And that's yeah, that's I think. I think
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: that's even more terrifying because when's it going to happen,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: what's going to happen, what she's going to do, and
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: the fact that, like we've said, it seems like she
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: typically tends to find people to carry out the axe
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: on her behalf. It's the unpredictable nature, okay. Versus you
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: see Bellatrix coming at you with your hrwan, you know
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: you know something's going to happen, Whereas Umbrage is like,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: I'm going to find some other thing and you don't.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: Who knows when that's.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Gonna happen, But I'm going to be backed by a
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: bunch of dementors behind me. So yeah, she obtains the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Salsar Slytherines locket, which is actually hor crocks from Mondonga's
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: Fletcher from Mondonga's Fletcher, but she wasn't aware of its
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: dark origin, so she didn't know it was actually Voldemort's
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: horror crocks. She just wore it because she thought it
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: pertained to a pure blood family. That's what she wanted
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: to That's what she wanted to convey actually, So again,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: it's all about appearances and trying to disguise that.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: And I know there's been like conversation about like did
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: wearing the locket influence her to act in certain ways
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: or whatever, like make it worse. I don't know. I
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: feel like that's just who she is, honestly. I don't
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: know that the hore crocks would affect her in the
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: same way that it would affect someone like Ron because
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: she already had ill evil.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, mm hmm.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: I could see maybe the argument that it like amplifies
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: her already, but I think it's so hard because like
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: she's already so evil that it's like how do you
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: even tell if it's amplified?
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: It just is her, But I.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: Agree with you, Amy.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: I think it's like, I think somebody who's more of
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: pure intentions would be more influenced by wearing a piece
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: of dark magic than somebody who's already dark. Yeah, it's
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: probably not as influenced or susceptible.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. As head of the muggle Borne Registration Commission, she
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: statistically interrogated muggle Born's, including Mary Cattermul Mary Cattermul, accusing
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: them of stealing magic. So she accuses her of not
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: getting her wand from Olivanders, but of obtaining it or
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: stealing it from another witch because according to her, she
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: was not a witch.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which makes no sense because by that logic umbrage
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: not being fully pure blood, should the wand have chosen
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: her in Olivanders m hm. Like, let's think about as Dolores.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: But I think you know, she's at the point though,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: where she's like almost like convinced herself, yeah, that she's
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: pure blood, because she's like put on this front her
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: whole life that she is, and she's erased every reminder
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: of the fact that she's not. And I think it
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: could get to the point where she's starting to believe
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: her own lies because it's just becomes so you know, twisted,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: and I think she doesn't see I think, you know,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: maybe also because she has this pure blood mentality, she
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: doesn't think those rules apply or those rules that she
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: puts on others don't apply to her, because well, I
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: don't accept that I'm not pure blood. I have all
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: the idea, you know, so that doesn't apply to me.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: I'm the exception.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So she used her patronis a Persian cat to
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: repel the demantors in the courtroom, and while disguised as
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: Ministry officials, Harry Ron and Hermione infiltrated them the trial
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: and Harry stunned Umbrage to retrieve the lock kit, so
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Hermione leaves a fake locket to prevent Umbrage from realizing
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: it had been stolen. And like you guys mentioned before,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: she did not suffer the usual dark effects of the
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: horre crux itself. It only amplified or enhanced her rather
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: than weakening her, which kind of probably has that opposite effect,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: maybe because she kind of like could use it even
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: more to her advantage and gave her more I don't
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: know if necessarily power, but maybe gave her more confidence.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and uh, she likely continued this oppressive action
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: against smuggle Bornes for the remain for the remainder of
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Valdemort's regime. So yeah, and a little bit about her
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: final reckoning. After Baldemort's falls, she was tried and convicted
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: for her actions under his regime, including torture and wrongful imprisonment.
• 1:29:42
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• 1:29:44
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• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Epic Universe when it opens in May.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: Unofficial plot.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so yeah, that's that's that. She is a
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: character again with multi multi layered character. I think she
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: is evil, but there's more than evilness inside of her.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: There's this manipulation, there's this cleverness, intelligence, ambition, like straightforward ambition,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: and just you know how she uses all of these
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: qualities that she could have probably used for the actual
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: greater good but didn't.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, make that personally, I'm interesting. I think it's I
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: think it's so funny to me that.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, she, I think if you polled people,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: she typically would probably come out on top as being
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: the most unlikable character, even over you know, characters like Baltimore,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: who was our main villain in the series. But I
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: think I'm I'm glad that we talked about her because
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: I think that, you know, a lot of people just yeah,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: just don't like her and that's it. But I think that,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm always wanted to be down to talk
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: about villains because I think that lots of times their
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: story is more interesting than her hero because you have
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: this like flawed perspective on life, and I think it's
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: really interesting when you have you do have villains that
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: do think. And I think we talked about this a
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: little bit with like Grindelwald as well, where it's this
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: idea of like, well, I am doing this to, you know,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: for the greater good, even if there's also personal gain,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: but like I'm gonna also say some of it is
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: for the good, and there's this flawed logic there, and
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: they truly believe that, you know, Like I think on
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: Bridge is definitely she truly believes what she believes and
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: it's probably not easily faltered on her beliefs about anything. Yeah, No,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: and she is, Yeah, she's just very interesting.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and how she buys into her own lives, Like
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: you said, she has convinced herself at this point that
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: she has been pure blood her entire life, like, and
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: she's completely forgotten where she comes from and her lineage
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: and you know her And I think it's just speaks
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: so much of how this need of of being this
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: this of just appearing to be this thing and this
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: person and disguising yourself as something that you're not. I
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: think it's all written all over her, because you know,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: she does it in every way, and I think it's, uh,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: she's probably one of the most memorable characters in that
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: regard because of you know, like you said, like there
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: are evil characters like Tom Riddle Waldemort He's plain evil,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: Bellatrix plain evil, deranged like, and she's one of these
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: kind of like in the very much aligned with probably Grindlewald,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: one of those like villains that are very manipulative, are
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: very like persuasive, and who kind of like climb their
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: way onto these ranks of power. And I think it's
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: very it's very interesting to see all of these different
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: layers to her and again how she uses her abilities
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: for her own purposes.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: M h.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: When I was just thinking too about like, one thing
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: that's also so interesting about her is that she obviously
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: is one of our evil characters, right, and you know what,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: we see that she's able to produce a patronas because
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: she's got this I mean, I guess you could say
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: this twisted sense of how she can conjure happiness and
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: positive thoughts, you know. And it's like she, even though
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: she's evil, she gets so much joy from her order
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: and her discipline and being able to hold that, and
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: she's so you know, firmly believes in herself and what
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: she's doing and everything, that she's able to create enough
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: positivity from those feelings to be able to conjure a patronas.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: It's interesting, you know, yeah.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: It's it's you know where I think lots of times, yeah,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: we see that a lot of those darker and evil
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: characters can't produce because they've gone so far off the
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: deep end.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: They can't even conjure a positive thing.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: They're just all negativity.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: Right, But she has she has joy that's rooted in evilness,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: but it's still joy, and she actually can produce real
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: feelings of joy. And I think something like, you know,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: getting that position of high inquisitor or becoming headmistress, like
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: that's a source of joy for her, even though it
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: was rooted in evil intentions, it's still joy and enough
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: to be able for her to be able to produce
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: a patronas because she's getting her ultimate order and discipline
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: being in that role. And I just think it's very
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: interesting that she's our evil character we see that is
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: able to produce a patrona is it makes sense that it's.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: Her, Yeah, And I think it's such a great It's
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: such a great scene in the films when when we
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: see the students getting punished and she's at the green hall,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: like she's sitting there and she's just you know, holding
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: onto the head headmaster's seat and she's like there and
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: she's just savoring the moment and she's kind of like
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: and it's so well, it's so well interpreted. I just
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: love that because you can see it in her face
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: how well she kind of managed to to kind of
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: like interpret that that happiness and enjoy that she had
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: of being there at the cusp of control and just
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: taking over the entire school. And you know, probably maybe
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: a dream come true to her because she probably knew
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: she wasn't in a position to be, you know, in
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: control of the ministry, but she was in a position
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  Speaker 2: to take control over Hogwarts and it's a it's a
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  Speaker 2: great sometimes these moments that really don't have even don't
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  Speaker 2: have any dialogue, but just you know, just body language
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  Speaker 2: as so much, and it's it's great.
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  Speaker 3: I just picture her like when she's like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: producing her patronas and stuff. Her happy memory is like
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: thinking about torturing children. Yeah, but she but it's like
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  Speaker 3: I think, obviously you see death theaters obviously torture and
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: stuff too, But for her, she's able to generate positivity
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  Speaker 3: from it in a way that I think maybe other
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  Speaker 3: death theaters aren't.
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  Speaker 2: Because yea also do that like Rood and Evilness. But still,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe I don't know, couldn't she also produce
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  Speaker 2: a patonas in that sense, like you.
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  Speaker 3: Think she'd be able to, like she's she's like in
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  Speaker 3: a sense where she'd be able to to kind of
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: twist her stuff into positive.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it is.
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  Speaker 2: Part of her joy to kill people, to torture people,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe her memory of you know, torturing Frank
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  Speaker 2: and Alice Longboton, maybe that's yes enough for her too.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: But I don't know, because it's like it's interesting that
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: Unbridge can produce a patronis and it makes you really
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: wonder if these other death Eaters are capable of that
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: of finding this joy.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like.
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  Speaker 3: At one point Jkar confirmed that Bellatrix is unable to.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: I can't remember where I saw that. I don't know
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: if it was like when, because I know there's been
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: fan theories about Bellatrix being able to produce a patronism,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: like what it would be, and I know that at
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: some point it came out that like the exception of
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: like Snapes kind of the exception to the Death Eaters
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: that can produce patrons's, but.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I don't know when. I'd have to look that
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: up to see, but.
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  Speaker 1: Like if it has to do with like being able
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  Speaker 1: to hang on to some of your humanity and maybe
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: not all of your intentions are dark necessarily.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: Like I can understand it in someone like Baltimore, but
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: other villains who are not like are kind of like
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: in this gray part, like it's not black or white,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: and it's like, would they be able to at some
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: point it's some extension, which probably this would be the
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: discussion for another episode. But it's interesting to think about
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: it because when when you say okay, they have the
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: same the same level of evilness and and they're both
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: as equally dangerous. But like you said, like maybe it's
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: because she can hold onto that little bit of humanity
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: left inside her that maybe none of the others had
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  Speaker 2: even at a young age.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, right when I just kind of googled it
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: really quickly too to see and there's a really nice
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: I read it thread here about in it's it's titled
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: surely Balatrix would be able to cast up a tight
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: and the main the original posters thoughts, you know, kind
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: of mentions, you know, it's believed that dark wizards are
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: unable to cast a patronis. Shirley Belatricks would have been
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: able to her devotion to Baltimore would have created some
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: sense of happiness and hope within her. I also believe
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: her nature of being evil and getting joy from causing
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: misery upon others would have most likely made her feel happy.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: I compare this to Umbridge because even though she was
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: dark and sociopathic, she still believed in the cause of
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: the ministry and was very devout to it. This surely
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: would have created a sense of happiness and comfort with her,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: which gave her the ability to cast a patronis and
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: was kind of asking, you know, what are your guys'
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: thoughts on this, and someone the first comment did say,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: you can be devoted to someone in something and still
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: be unable to experience true happiness. Remember, a patronus can
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: only be cast from an exceedingly happy memory. And the
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: books dementors aligned with dark wizards. That's why they're safe.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: And it seems like though someone else said, I also
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: think that the memory used for the patronas must be
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: pure and genuinely positive, where everyone in the where everyone
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: in the memory is happy. I'd be curious this person's
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: thought on upbradge then, but they said what they suggested.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: While in the case of Bellatrix and death leads in general,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: their quote unquote happiness derives from the suffering of others.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: So in their memories they are the only individuals feeling
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: joy while the others are miserable. But the feeling of
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: joy here is not happiness. It's more likely the satisfaction
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: taken from inflicting pain on others.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: It's interesting, but.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: Wonder there could be a memory down her, you know,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: at the back of her mind.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and like you like promotions and things like that,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: that's not necessarily suffering for other people, right, so, like
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: maybe that is pure enough that it's like considered happy.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: This is definitely probably a topic to delvine deeper because
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: even reading through this reddit thread, like, I mean, the
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: opinions on it are all over the place. Like, you know,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: someone else right here said, you know, I'm pretty sure
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: she can. You know, if Dolora Sambridge can, then surely
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: Bellatrix could.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: But it does mean it does make sense that it
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: has to come from somewhere pure and like, you know,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: a pure happy moment that does not inflict pain upon others.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: It does not come, you know, from others suffering. So
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: I imagine that maybe, just maybe if I'm rich, can cast
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: a patronis there is a part a humanity left in her,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: part of that you know, could tap into a little
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: bit more of her childhood or could come in, you know,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: from somewhere in her life when she could have made
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: a friend or she could have not because you know,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: she was never married. But like she maybe something that
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: is not necessarily work related, but I mean, yeah, it
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: could be something like Amy said, like a promotion that
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: she doesn't necessarily hurt anybody, But would that be enough
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: to cast a conjure or patronis I think.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: For her because I think getting something like a promotion
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: or the fact that you know, she you know, we
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: talked about how she was really successful at an early age.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: I mean that she's all about her career and everything.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: That would be so happy for her. And I wonder too,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: kind of reading this through this thread, if there's something
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: too And this again is a whole other, a whole
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: other topic for another thing, but like if there's something
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: about the act of becoming a death theater that plays
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: a role here because obviously, like we know she's evil, right,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: but she's not a death eater and we know like that,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: you know, other obviously Snape is different though, like I
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: feel like Snape is like the exception to the role
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: kind of thing here because he was kind of playing
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: double agent and you know, magic is weird and like,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: you know, but and it's like and also in this
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: thread they talk about how at the end of the day,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: like the patronas itself is so opposed to the dark
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: arts that like dark wizards and death theaters wouldn't even
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: be bothered to learn it, and that at the end
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: of the day, the dementors were kind of in the
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: control of these death theaters and the dark Wizards, So
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: why would they why would they need something to deal
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: with them in that way? Right, which still doesn't explain
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: too because it's not like they were actively out to
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: get Umbrage either, So that's I don't think that's necessarily
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: a clear explanation either.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: But hmmm, yeah, this.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: Could maybe be an extended conversation at some point about
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: why this is umbrage or.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, able to have a patronas.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but very interesting point of discussion.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, and it looks like the peoples of the Internet
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: are also asking the same questions over on Reddit.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so yeah, that's that's what we got from
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: Umbrage the toad Face.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 6: Woman specialis Velio.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: All right, for our rotating segment, we are doing specialis
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Revellio about Veritas serum, tying this into Umbridge because we
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: know Umbridge so famously favored the use of verity serum
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: when interrogating students. So the etymology of Veritas serum comes
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: from the Latin veritas, which means truth, and serum, which
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: means fluid or liquid. So truth serum. It is clear
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: and odorless and basically undetectable and indistinguishable from water, which
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: is what makes it so easy to slip it into
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: people's drinks without them realizing. So it is relatively difficult
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: to produce because it has to mature over a full
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: lunar cycle, so very time consuming to brew. Veritaserum and
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: its use is strictly controlled by the Ministry of Magic. Obviously,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: Dolores doesn't care and uses it anyway because we all
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: know rules don't apply to her. There is an antidote, though,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: since Dumbledore discouraged Harry from using veritaserum on slug Horn
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: because he said Slughorn would just use the anidote and
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: it would all be in vain. He wouldn't be able
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: to collect that memory that he wanted in half floodprints. Also,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: according to A Q and A with JK Rowling, acclemency
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: can also be used to block the effects of veritaserum,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: which is interesting. We do see verita sarum used a
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: few times throughout the series. The first time is in
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: Goblet of Fire where Snape threatens Harry with it when
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: he suspects Harry has been stealing polyjuice potion ingredients from
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: his private stores and later on, Veritasarum is used on
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: Barti Crotch Junior, who was the true thief of the ingredients.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: In Order of the Phoenix. Like we talked about, Umbradge
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: uses it to interrogate Harry. Harry doesn't drink the tea
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: and instead dumps it into a potted plant. And really
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: it was fake potion anyway, because Snape, being the double
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: agent that he is, not only supplied fake potion but
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: also taunted Umbrage for using more than the required dosage
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: and wasting it all in one go. In Half Blood,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: Prince Slowcorn has fair to Saram brewing in Potions Class
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: and Deathly Hallow's Rita. Skeeter uses it on bethillda Bagshot
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: to interview her for the book about Dumbledore. So one
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: of the problems with Fara to Saram is it forces
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: people to tell what they perceive to be the truth,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: not necessarily what actually is the truth. So it's for
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: that reason that it's not really used in legal situations,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: like it wouldn't hold up in wizard Court because you know,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: someone could just be saying what they think is true
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: when it's not necessarily really the.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: Case unless they did it themselves, which changes the scenario.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't make sense though, Like it's obviously everything
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: that you believe where you perceive to be true, not
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: the true it's self. I think that is a whole
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: different you know, we would need a hold new potion
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: for that. But yeah, yeah, yeah. I also think it's
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: funny how incompletive fire Snape threatens Harry and he's like,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: you know you're when you as a reader, you know,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, you're two years late. They already did that.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: But if you want to find out about Chamber of Secrets, sure, yeah, yeah,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: you'll get an interesting story.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: So that's just a little bit of background on far
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: to Sarah so nice.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: So last week we asked the question what do you
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: think is behind the unknown doors of the Department of Mysteries.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: So we received a response from Jerry. Jerry said it
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: was great have the Ravellio Golden Trio back together again,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: and she said that she has the nomination for a
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: topic to be located behind one of the doors. She
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: quoted Dumbledore from the First book where he says, ah music,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: he said, wiping his eyes a magic beyond all we
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: do here. Jerry said, thinking about this, I suppose we
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: could add poetry as either a subset or related topic
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: to music. And you know, also how about mathematics, a
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: subject that is not studied at Hogwarts, So perhaps wizards
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: consider it to be a mystery.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Hmm. Yeah. I like the idea of music because you know,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: it's like something that taps into emotions and also is
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: kind of like universal where like doesn't matter what language
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: it is, like music can evoke feelings, you know, across
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: the globe.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: Just like universal language.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: So this episode's discussion question is why do you think
• 1:50:05
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