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Dirty Rush: Greek Life Scandals · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Serriti Life with
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  Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice.
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  Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Fessler.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Dirty Rush.
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  Speaker 1: I am Gia Judice and I'm here today with my
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  Speaker 1: co hosts Daisy Kent and Jennifer Fessler. Today we are
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  Speaker 1: diving into the scandals that made national headlines. The true
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  Speaker 1: crime cases, the hazing incidents, the theft, the cover ups,
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  Speaker 1: and the stories that completely changed how people see Greek life.
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  Speaker 3: This is Dirty Rush. Hello guys, Hi, you guys, Hey, and.
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  Speaker 4: Be back together again.
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  Speaker 5: On I know, right, it's been a while. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: this is not the most fun topic.
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  Speaker 6: I have to say, yeah right, But unfortunately this is
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  Speaker 6: honestly a lot of these instances are kind of normal.
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  Speaker 5: I don't remember it when I was. I mean I
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  Speaker 5: was in college in nineteen eighty six. So remember I
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  Speaker 5: had this one friend, he was like a friend from
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  Speaker 5: camp who was also at UT and he got arrested
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  Speaker 5: for running this gambling ring and a lot of like
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  Speaker 5: the guys I knew back then, they were all gambling
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  Speaker 5: and there was like a lot of drugs.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of.
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  Speaker 5: Like what was it like ecstasy was huge. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I don't remember. I don't know when you guys these
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  Speaker 5: these the ones that we're talking about today were we're
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  Speaker 5: talking about like murder and like, you know, even more
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  Speaker 5: scary cases.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the first one, which is the most recent,
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  Speaker 1: there was a disturbing video that surfaced from hazing that
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  Speaker 1: was happening at the University of Iowa.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, I think a fire.
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  Speaker 1: Alarm of some sort went off and the fire department
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  Speaker 1: basically found fifty six mail pledges blindfolded in the basement
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  Speaker 1: with mustard ketchup all over them, and they basically wanted
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  Speaker 1: to know who was responsible for this. Obviously, the pledges,
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  Speaker 1: if I had to think back to like when I
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  Speaker 1: was in my freshman year and when my guy friends
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  Speaker 1: were rushing, they would never sell out their brothers, so
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  Speaker 1: I guess they were kind of just informing the fire
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  Speaker 1: department to go upstairs. And the Iowa City Police Department
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  Speaker 1: actually arrested twenty one year old Joseph Gaya, but the
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  Speaker 1: charges were eventually dropped. So I think, honestly, when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to these situations, especially when it comes to fraternity hazing, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is like typical, Like the guys.
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  Speaker 3: Are in the basement.
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  Speaker 1: They are like put through like the most horrible things
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  Speaker 1: when it's but it's like supposed to be like torture.
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  Speaker 1: It honestly kind of reminded me of Special Forces guys.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie like that. It was like the
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  Speaker 1: last scene of Special Forces where it was interrogation, and
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of like the last thing that the
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  Speaker 1: pledges have to do until they're initiated.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were blindfolded. We had this black.
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  Speaker 1: Sheet over our faces, and we had to listen to
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  Speaker 1: every noise you could think of, like babies crying, nails
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  Speaker 1: on a chalkboard, pigs getting slaughtered, like you name it.
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  Speaker 1: We were listening to that for twelve hours. So I
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  Speaker 1: feel like it almost was like what these guys go
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  Speaker 1: twelve hours?
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  Speaker 4: It was crazy hours.
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  Speaker 3: Twelve hours straight, it was.
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  Speaker 1: And then you know when they would pull us out,
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  Speaker 1: they would torture us even more by like dunking our
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  Speaker 1: heads into cold plunges, like yeah, roll around in the dirt.
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  Speaker 3: Like So as.
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  Speaker 1: Much as like obviously you watch this and you're like
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  Speaker 1: this is torture, it essentially is, but I guess it's
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  Speaker 1: to show and kind of show your respect and loyalty
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  Speaker 1: to the fraternity in like a weird, screwed up way,
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  Speaker 1: but when it really.
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  Speaker 3: Got it's messy.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, is when there's alcohol involved, like Okay,
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  Speaker 1: there's two pledges, finish this bottle of vodka and then
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  Speaker 1: go on a scavenger hunt. Like that's how incidents happen,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how really get hurt.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's hard probably now to you know,
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  Speaker 5: I think there's such tight rules and the universities are
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  Speaker 5: so scared of, you know, the stuff happening, and for
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  Speaker 5: sure stuff happening, not just like deaths and assaults, that
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  Speaker 5: it's a hard I think it's probably a hard line, like.
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  Speaker 2: Crossing that line.
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  Speaker 5: It gets tricky when there's so much alcohol and yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and all of a sudden it's not funny anymore.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, And there has been like so many things I
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  Speaker 7: feel like, especially I think I feel like since like
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  Speaker 7: I graduated, which was like I don't know, like five
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  Speaker 7: or six years ago, but I feel like in that
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  Speaker 7: amount of time, there's been like a lot of random
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  Speaker 7: things that I've heard about. Yeah, And so I feel
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  Speaker 7: like now like campuses are for sure like cracking down.
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  Speaker 7: I know at the school I went to, like Greek
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  Speaker 7: life is kind of becoming less and less.
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  Speaker 5: So funny when Antonia Gorga, your cousin Gia obviously, but
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  Speaker 5: she was applying to Delaware, and I remember we had
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  Speaker 5: like this scene here at my house. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: it ever aired, but her and my daughter Rachel, she
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  Speaker 5: went to Delaware talking and Antonia was like a little
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  Speaker 5: freaked out about the whole like pledging and the hazing,
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  Speaker 5: and so Rachel for her sorority, she's like, there's absolutely
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  Speaker 5: none of that. There's we don't they don't do that
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  Speaker 5: at all. I don't know in terms of you guys.
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  Speaker 5: For me, it was like funny, silly things, but there
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  Speaker 5: was never anything scary at least, you know, sorority wise,
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  Speaker 5: was there for you guys.
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  Speaker 3: No, never really scary.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it was like big little night where you know,
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  Speaker 1: essentially your big.
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  Speaker 3: Is supposed to get you like a little.
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  Speaker 1: Too drunk, but it's never to the point where like
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  Speaker 1: you're unsafe, like you're big is with you the whole
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to sleep at your BIG's house afterwards, and
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  Speaker 1: you're never like not supervised.
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  Speaker 3: But it was also like pretty playful.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like you had to like sit on a
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  Speaker 1: washer or sit on a dryer and like see our
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  Speaker 1: fat jiggle or any of those crazy stories that I've heard. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like for sororities they are a lot
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  Speaker 1: more not as intense, but for fraternities, they really do have.
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  Speaker 4: Put them through the wringer. Yeah. I agree with that
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  Speaker 4: for sure.
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  Speaker 1: But then in result this fraternity in Iowa, the Office
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  Speaker 1: of Student Accountability was involved and now the fraternity is
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  Speaker 1: suspended until twenty twenty nine. Yeah, so now you know
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  Speaker 1: when an incident happens like that on campus, that's what
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  Speaker 1: they do. They basically just suspend you on campus so
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  Speaker 1: that you can't have any like registered things on campus.
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  Speaker 1: So then if the cops do come to your fraternity house,
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  Speaker 1: then it's up to basically the people who are.
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  Speaker 3: Renting the house.
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  Speaker 1: It's not up to the school to help you get
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  Speaker 1: out of those situations.
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  Speaker 2: I remember, well, my son was what is it called risk.
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  Speaker 4: Something like he had to say risk management.
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  Speaker 5: He was like one of the risk management people SPRAT.
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  Speaker 5: So he used to have to sit like in front
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  Speaker 5: of the house during the parties and make sure no
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  Speaker 5: one got too wasted.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, so he's like, why.
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  Speaker 5: Would you run for this like always like yeah, but
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  Speaker 5: he didn't have to do it all the time, I guess,
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  Speaker 5: but like just being sort of uber aware, like not
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  Speaker 5: letting anyone in if they were too drunk.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure no one got you know, lost their Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: These stories are pretty intense, you guys. So here's one
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  Speaker 5: from News Nation. November seven, twenty twenty five, A masked
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  Speaker 5: man broke into UC Berkeley sorority house. Forty five year
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  Speaker 5: old man was arrested for breaking into a UC Berkeley
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  Speaker 5: sorority house Alpha coy Omega during the early morning hours
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  Speaker 5: of November first, stealing food and women's underwear, and watching
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  Speaker 5: women's shower. Police were called to a south campus sorority
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  Speaker 5: house at the twenty three hundred block of Warring Street
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  Speaker 5: after an unknown man was spotted inside a sorority girls
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  Speaker 5: bedroom and ran out of the back door at six am.
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  Speaker 5: This is not obviously a story about hazing, but you
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  Speaker 5: just hear like the story, Yeah, trying that Brian Coberg,
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  Speaker 5: University of Idaho. Those poor those three girls in one boy.
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  Speaker 7: I remember like seeing the thing going and it was
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  Speaker 7: like going viral about one of the sisters like spoke
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  Speaker 7: at the when they were like sentencing him.
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  Speaker 4: I remember seeing that go like viral.
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  Speaker 2: Awful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's terror.
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  Speaker 1: I mean even at Rutgers, a lot of instances where
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  Speaker 1: it's girls that are just in sororities or even just
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  Speaker 1: random houses that are off campus and you get you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and this is very typical, which I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why this happens, but it's just where colleges are.
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  Speaker 3: Built, but they are a lot of the times in
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  Speaker 3: not so great areas.
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  Speaker 1: So Wrackers is a big ten school, but it's in
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  Speaker 1: New Brunswick, New Jersey. It's not the best area of
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey. And the amount of like countless break ins
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  Speaker 1: from just people on the street or random men, and.
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  Speaker 3: It's like it's it's so scary.
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  Speaker 5: Rachel's Yeah, Rachel was in an apartment and they broke
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  Speaker 5: into one of the roommates.
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  Speaker 1: A University of Delaware. It's not the best area around
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  Speaker 1: there either. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, But honestly, a good thing that they caught this
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  Speaker 7: guy like before any like obviously like what he was
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  Speaker 7: doing was not okay, but that they like found all
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  Speaker 7: like the guns and everything before something worst happened.
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  Speaker 5: So detectives with the Department Sex Crime Unit Security footage
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  Speaker 5: and additional evidence to identify the suspect as Courtney. Alford
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  Speaker 5: and officers searched Alfred's Dublin home following the arrest and
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  Speaker 5: found parts to an assault rifle, high capacity magazines, and
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  Speaker 5: more than nine hundred rounds of ammunition, and they charged
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  Speaker 5: Alfred with burglary, prowling, peeking, invading privacy, fell in in
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  Speaker 5: possession of a gun, fell in possession of ammo, and
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  Speaker 5: several counts of unlawful entry. Imagine how terrifying you guys.
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  Speaker 5: This is just twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: And this clearly just shows, like I know, there's certain
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  Speaker 1: situations where it's like like there was an intent behind this,
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  Speaker 1: Like he clearly like given what was found in his home,
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  Speaker 1: there could have been like this, there could have been
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  Speaker 1: a way more worse of an outcome than what. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: one then just like lurking around. He was probably lurking
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  Speaker 1: around to plan what his next moves.
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  Speaker 4: Were, which is terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Do you guys have because we had like we
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  Speaker 5: definitely had a uh, like an intercom, like you would
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  Speaker 5: roll up to the to my storty house and a
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  Speaker 5: FI house and you would push a button to be
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  Speaker 5: let in. But do you guys have any more security?
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  Speaker 5: We had like key cards, like a fob.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, ours was like our fingerprint actually to get in
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  Speaker 7: the house. And we had like cameras throughout the house.
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  Speaker 7: None we're like in the bathrooms or anything, but there
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  Speaker 7: were some like in the hallways and stuff. Not like
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  Speaker 7: everyone could see them, I believe just like our house
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  Speaker 7: mom had access to them or something, but we had
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  Speaker 7: them there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's great.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this next one, Daisy, this one will freaked me out.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think I remember this happening. Actually.
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  Speaker 7: I think it was like when I went to college
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  Speaker 7: or like the year before. So this is at Penn State,
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  Speaker 7: and the former president Brendan Young and vice president Daniel
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  Speaker 7: Casey are of a now defunct Fenn State fraternity where
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  Speaker 7: a student died after consuming massive amounts of alcohol during
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  Speaker 7: a hazing ritual. This was more than seven years ago,
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  Speaker 7: but they've been sentenced to prison. They played guilty in
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  Speaker 7: July to fourteen accounts of hazing in one account of
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  Speaker 7: reckless and endangerment. All that were misdemeanors, but prosecutors said
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  Speaker 7: the charges were tied to a twenty seventeen hazing incident
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  Speaker 7: where nineteen year old Timothy Piazza was found unresponsive after
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  Speaker 7: consuming a bunch of alcohol and died days later as
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  Speaker 7: a result of multiple falls incurred two intoxication.
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  Speaker 2: So he felt, you guys, remember this what this one was?
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  Speaker 1: I do?
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  Speaker 7: I think it was like he fell down the steps, right,
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  Speaker 7: is that it's fun?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Well, they didn't call anyone. So he was that adorable
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  Speaker 5: redheaded kid. He was a football player.
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  Speaker 3: And he found and they didn't call the cops, like
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  Speaker 3: he was right, it was a why.
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  Speaker 1: And they it's you know, it's these stories where it's
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  Speaker 1: like you're too scared to call the cops.
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  Speaker 3: But if you would have called the cops, he would
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  Speaker 3: have been alive.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, who cares if the if the fraternity is suspended,
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  Speaker 1: like literally, who cares? So now Brendan Young and Daniel Casey,
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  Speaker 1: now they're charged for this instance in twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's what it looks like. And yeah, he
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  Speaker 7: fell down the stairs. Members didn't seek medical treatment for
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  Speaker 7: him until the next morning, and investigators determined that he
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  Speaker 7: has a consumed at least eighteen drinks in under two hours.
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  Speaker 5: And I think they knew, I mean they knew he
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  Speaker 5: was passed out from what I remember, at the bottom
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  Speaker 5: of the stairs, like they didn't know it and they
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  Speaker 5: just were like puffs right like whatever.
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  Speaker 7: And the doctor calculated that his butt alko content when
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  Speaker 7: he fell down was a point to eight to a
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  Speaker 7: point three six, which is like four times a legal
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  Speaker 7: limit for driving.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this is the stuff you guys like just
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  Speaker 5: my age and one day your age, but like you
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  Speaker 5: think about this and you're scared to like let your kid.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it's terrifying.
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  Speaker 7: Even like I think about like some of my guy friends,
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  Speaker 7: Like nothing extremely bad. I don't think happened when I
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  Speaker 7: was in school, but I remember even then like they
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  Speaker 7: would have to be like pull all nighters and then
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  Speaker 7: like it was like physical stuff too. They would have
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  Speaker 7: to like go like run and do all these hikes,
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  Speaker 7: and then it was like at night like drinking on
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  Speaker 7: top of it and stuff, which is just there's only
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  Speaker 7: so much that human body can handle.
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  Speaker 3: And Penn State, for example, is probably one.
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  Speaker 1: Of those schools where, yes, because there is just so
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  Speaker 1: much school spirit and the games and you know, for
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  Speaker 1: life is a big deal where I could totally see
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  Speaker 1: a fraternity taking advantage of alcohol during hazing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say back in the day when
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  Speaker 5: I was like, there's a movie. It might have been
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  Speaker 5: Revenge of the Nerds, do you guys know? Or maybe
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  Speaker 5: it was an Animal House. Sorry, it was an Animal House.
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  Speaker 5: You probably probably didn't see it. But anyway, it's like
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  Speaker 5: a very famous movie about fraternities and the guys bent
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  Speaker 5: over and they have like this paddle and they're like,
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  Speaker 5: I want to say it was John Belushiet was smacking
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  Speaker 5: the guy with the paddle and he's thank you, sir,
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  Speaker 5: Can I have another? Is this all going right over
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  Speaker 5: your heads? You don't remember any of this, right? But
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  Speaker 5: my point is like it was just so it was
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  Speaker 5: like a joke, right, like like pledging, hazing, all of
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  Speaker 5: that was they made fun of it in the movies.
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  Speaker 5: It's just I don't know, it's not funny anymore. You
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  Speaker 5: don't see a lot. It's like it got these are serious,
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  Speaker 5: scary things that could happen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I'm looking at the article right now.
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  Speaker 7: It is from USA Today, the one that we pulled
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  Speaker 7: this from, but it says that Brendan Young twenty eight
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  Speaker 7: now and Daniel Casey twenty seven were sentenced to four
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  Speaker 7: months in prison followed by three years of probation community service.
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  Speaker 4: I honestly thought it would be more than that. I'm
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  Speaker 4: kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Shocked, Like they pled guilty right.
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  Speaker 4: To fourteen accounts of hazing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and then it says the prosecutors and the Piazza
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  Speaker 7: family were instrumental in the Pennsylvania legislator legislature passing the
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  Speaker 7: Timothy Jpiazza Anti Hazing Law, which established stricter punishments for
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  Speaker 7: hazing and require schools to maintain anti hazing policies.
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  Speaker 5: I remember those parents getting interviewed. It was so awful,
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  Speaker 5: so heartbreaking. The kid, I mean, I remember, kids are chilling, awful, awful,
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  Speaker 5: so sad.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is another crazy story. I honestly didn't even
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  Speaker 1: know about this one. George Hughgley, the star lacrosse player
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  Speaker 1: who brutally murdered his ex girlfriend Yeardly Love, So Yardly Love.
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  Speaker 1: She was a part of Kappa Alpha Theta, and they
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  Speaker 1: went to the University of Virginia. George was a star
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  Speaker 1: lacrosse player. They dated for about two years on and off,
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  Speaker 1: and he clearly just would get violently drunk all the time,
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  Speaker 1: and there were multiple incidents where they would be fighting
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  Speaker 1: at parties he would obviously be heavily drinking. I really
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  Speaker 1: I think she was just stuck in a really abusive relationship.
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  Speaker 3: George had choked.
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  Speaker 1: Love at a party where she repeatedly said help, I
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  Speaker 1: can't breathe. He sent her threatening email saying I should
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  Speaker 1: have killed you. She was murdered on May twenty third,
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  Speaker 1: twenty ten, where he was heavily drinking. They were not together,
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  Speaker 1: like with at the same party or anything. She was
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  Speaker 1: at her apartment. He probably was drinking all day. They
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  Speaker 1: estimated that he was probably drinking about forty five to
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  Speaker 1: fifty drinks, and around eleven forty five pm, he went
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  Speaker 1: to her apartment in Charlottesville, Virginia, and they said that
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  Speaker 1: he kicked down her bedroom door, grabbed her, violently, slammed
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  Speaker 1: her against a wall, and left her bleeding and unconscious
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  Speaker 1: on the floor. Later on, her roommate then discovered her
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  Speaker 1: body and called for help. George was then convicted on
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  Speaker 1: a second degree murder and sentenced to twenty three years
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  Speaker 1: in prison. He was also found liable in a wrongful
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  Speaker 1: death lawsuit filed by Love's family.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how old he was when this happened.
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  Speaker 5: I'm assuming he was around Oh, they were both at
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: University of Virginia, so he was probably in his early twenties,
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: twenty whatever, and only he got twenty three years. The
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: time he's forty mid forties, he's out, which is surprising.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, he was twenty two years old.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just it's so horrible. Do you guys
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  Speaker 5: have friends that were in relationships that were scary?
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  Speaker 7: I honestly, I only ever had one friend that was
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: kind of in like a pretty bad relationship, but she
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: ended up getting like out of it. But the like
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: parents and everyone were like involved. But I think when
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  Speaker 7: you're like so young, even though like you can like
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: grow up in a great family and like learn like, okay,
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  Speaker 7: this is like how should we treated, Like no one
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  Speaker 7: should ever like touch me that way or like talk
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  Speaker 7: to me that way.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like when people.
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  Speaker 7: Are in it, it's like harder for them to like
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  Speaker 7: see like okay, I'll be okay, like I don't like
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  Speaker 7: neat this person.
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  Speaker 4: And it's scary too.
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  Speaker 3: It's very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Someone really close to me was in a relationship like
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  Speaker 1: this for quite some time, and I think it's it's
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  Speaker 1: like an illness. You are really compel yourself to believing
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  Speaker 1: that this is normal and that this really isn't that
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  Speaker 1: bad until something wakes you up one day, you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and maybe nothing does wake you up, and that's why
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  Speaker 1: you hear these stories of women or I know men
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  Speaker 1: can be abused as well, that really stay in relationships
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  Speaker 1: for so long. But I think it's the fear of
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: not thinking that you're good enough. I think that these
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of the times, yes, it is
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: women who are probably getting abused harder, like more than men.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's this like beating down feeling of
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: really making these women feel that they are so much
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: less than themselves that they won't find better. And then
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: these women truly believe that, Okay, I'm going to say,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: in this relationship until something sets their sets them off,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: nothing sets them off, or it's too late in their.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: Death right, if you have a friend who's happening to
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: or I'm must say, I'll always save somebody. But call
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: the parents, call the parents you're worried about your And
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: I know that's like scary also, but as a parent,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: you know you don't know everything right, So yeah, I
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: would just say that to our listeners.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's very scary because sometimes you know. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you also are so deep in that the parents do know,
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  Speaker 1: but you know they sometimes they don't want the help
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  Speaker 1: and they think and you know, you your brain is
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  Speaker 1: so altered that you believe that these actions are normal
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  Speaker 1: and that this is what you deserve when that's just
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  Speaker 1: not the case. And I know it's hard in college
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: because you feel like, you know some instances, if like
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: these scenarios got out in the open, that this is
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the end of the world. But I think it's so
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: much more powerful getting out of a relationship, like getting
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: out of an abusive relationship than staying in one. I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: think everybody will look at you with so much more
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: respect rather than staying in one.
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  Speaker 7: I still can't believe he's only in prison for twenty
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  Speaker 7: three years.
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  Speaker 4: I would have thought that he'd be like there for life.
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  Speaker 2: Then me too, Me too, Daisy, because.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's twenty ten, it's twenty twenty six, so
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  Speaker 7: he's almost done, like half of his sentence.
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  Speaker 4: Right or over.
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  Speaker 1: And then you think about it, good time parole. He
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: could auDA be getting out very soon.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: So here's another one, another hazing one. So The Independent
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  Speaker 5: covered this February first, twenty twenty sixth, Arizona University student
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  Speaker 5: was found dead at an off campus residence near the
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  Speaker 5: school and flag Staff. The student had attended a Delta
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  Speaker 5: toaw Delta fraternity rush event the night before. The incident
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  Speaker 5: occurred at an off campus residence associated with the fraternity.
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  Speaker 5: The student unresponsive on Saturday morning, and he was pronounced
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  Speaker 5: dead at the scene. The death is believed to be
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  Speaker 5: connected to a fraternity hazing incident involving Delta Tau Delta.
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  Speaker 5: Three frat members were arrested on criminal hazing charges, all
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  Speaker 5: of whom were execus gcative board members. Those arrested were
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  Speaker 5: Ryan Creech, who was a vice president, Riley cast the treasurer,
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  Speaker 5: and Carter Slick, a new member educator. So that many
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  Speaker 5: details happily because I find it so hard to read
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  Speaker 5: and think about, but about in terms of what exactly happened,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: but or what happened to these the fraternity members that
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: were arrested, But it's just more of the same. It's
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  Speaker 5: just so scary, right you guys. It's like, died from
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: a rush event the night before.
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  Speaker 3: Off campus housing.
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  Speaker 1: That means obviously that this house wasn't affiliated with the school.
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  Speaker 3: Most likely, would you agree on that daisy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because if it was like an off like because
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: like you have your like satellite houses typically also at
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  Speaker 1: your fraternity house, Like you have your main house.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: That maybe is associated with the school, but.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Then you have a bunch of random houses that people
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  Speaker 1: from the fraternity rent. They throw like postgame parties there,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. So I'm assuming it probably happened at one
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: of those houses.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just so like sad.
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  Speaker 2: This was just a rush party.
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  Speaker 1: The police are running into the backyard right now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I started watching it too, where they like it looked
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: like someone was like chasing someone at.
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  Speaker 1: The end, like they're running and they're they're probably chasing
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  Speaker 1: one of the fraternity members.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sickening.
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  Speaker 4: You guys so crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I am surprised that Greek life has survived a long time.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly.
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  Speaker 1: That is you know, eighteen year old student. So he
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: was clearly a freshman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, clutching, he was just I mean rushing, he was
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: just rushing.
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  Speaker 7: It's sad too, because like freshman year, like everyone's just
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: trying to like figure it out and stuff, and like
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: as sad as it is, I feel like freshman year
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: is easier to like give into like peer pressure and
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: then want to like do these things to try to
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  Speaker 7: fit in. And then you have these like upper classmen
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  Speaker 7: that are like telling you to do these things, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: it's just so sad.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's also just so hard when you're when you're
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: pledging and you're trying to get into the fraturity that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: you want and you're so young. Yeah, when we were
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: eighteen years old, I mean even sometimes now we get
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: carried away probably when we have our drunk nights and
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: drink too much. Obviously not to the point of like
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: you know, like to what they were doing. But imagine
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: being eighteen and you're trying to get into this fraternity
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  Speaker 1: and you're trying to fit in at college and do
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: all the right things. You're gonna just drink and think
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: that this is the right thing to do to get
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: in to the frat, Like.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: You have to have a lot of maturity. That's why
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: I don't know, my kids didn't listen. I always wanted
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: I wanted them to take a gap year before college
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: because I was like, I just I don't know, and
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: I always felt like, did you have to have your
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: together like it's you know, I think so many kids
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: they feel so let loose in college, right, And you're right, Gia, like,
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: you know, especially like you're feeling insecure at a party.
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  Speaker 2: What helps?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, booze, right, like, let's get a little drunker. Let's
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: get a little drunker and I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Very very scary. Yeah, all right, guys.
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  Speaker 5: There's more to this episode, so make sure to check
• 26:29
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• 26:32
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