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Young mom answers doorbell, gunned down by Killer Clown? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Let me set the stage for this. A quiet residential neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: A mom goes to the door and opens the door,
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Speaker 1: standing there as a clown with balloons. She thinks she's
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Speaker 1: getting some kind of a fun delivery. Instead, she gets
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Speaker 1: shot dead. What happened? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? What
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Speaker 1: happened to Marlene Warren? I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Let's kick it off, Jackie,
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Speaker 1: take a listen. What do you remember of May twenty sixth,
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety I remember that being one of the most
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Speaker 1: terrible days of my life. You're in the house with
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Speaker 1: your mom, right, yes, what's going on? Well, a typical morning.
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Speaker 1: She and I were cooking breakfast that morning, joking, carrying on.
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Speaker 1: Did Marlene have any enemies in this world? None? Everybody
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Speaker 1: loved her. She was by everything, my mom, my friend,
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Speaker 1: she was by everything. I was in the living room.
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Speaker 1: I sat down the eaves. There was a balloon and
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Speaker 1: some clown coming at the door. Look at that clown.
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Speaker 1: She was going to that door. She was excited. When
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Speaker 1: your mother opened the door, did she say something? Oh?
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Speaker 1: How pretty well? At first we thought maybe it was
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Speaker 1: a balloon, but when we saw her fall, her knew
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Speaker 1: was something was definitely seriously wrong. We had no clue
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Speaker 1: what was going on. It was like the whole world
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Speaker 1: was in slow emotion. Did the clown say anything, Nothing,
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Speaker 1: not a word. The clown slowly walked back to the
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Speaker 1: car like no care in the world. The clown slowly
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Speaker 1: walked back to the car, not a care in the world.
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Speaker 1: The clown didn't speak, The voice was never heard. I
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Speaker 1: was just listening to this son talk about his mother,
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Speaker 1: and immediately I thought of just last night, my daughter,
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Speaker 1: Lucy wanted me to sleep with her, and I said
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Speaker 1: sure and jumped in the bed and yelled good night
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Speaker 1: to John David. A few minutes later, John David came
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Speaker 1: up to the bed where I was going to sleep
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Speaker 1: with Lucy and went night mom again and came over
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Speaker 1: and hugged me really tight. I was just thinking about
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Speaker 1: you grow up with your mother and him saying good
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Speaker 1: night twice and getting another hug and then to thank
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Speaker 1: your mother. Essentially your world at a young age goes
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Speaker 1: to the door and get shot dead again. I Meanancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nations. Serious XM with me an all star
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Speaker 1: panel and Bloy, we need a panel on this one.
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Speaker 1: Kurt Nurmi is with me, renowned trial lawyer who represented
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Speaker 1: Jodi Arius at trial, author of Trapped with miss Arius
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Speaker 1: on Amazon. Doctor Angela Arnold, well known psychiatrists joining us
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Speaker 1: from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Jeff Cortezi, former FBI special Agent,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Katherine Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, joining us from
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Speaker 1: Erie County. Emmy's office. That's Buffalo. George skiro DNA technical leader,
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Speaker 1: lab director at Scales Biological Laboratory, Inc. Right now to
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Levi, Paige Levin, I
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Speaker 1: want to start at the beginning, when Marlene Warren goes
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Speaker 1: to the door. Tell me what happened. So, Nancy, this
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Speaker 1: is in Wellington, Florida, Palm Beach County, and it's nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety it's a Memorial Day weekend, and forty year old
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Speaker 1: Marlene Warren, she was eating breakfast with her son and
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Speaker 1: his friends. They were in their early twenties, and the
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Speaker 1: doorbell rings. She got up to answer it, and she
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Speaker 1: opened the door and there was a clown that had
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Speaker 1: a flower arrangement and balloons and that's not all he had.
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Speaker 1: He had a gun, pulled it out and I say
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Speaker 1: he meaning a clown, you think of a He and
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Speaker 1: shot Marlene Warren dead, shot her in the face, then
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Speaker 1: got into a white Chrysler convertible and left the scene.
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Speaker 1: Marlene Warren died two days later in the hospital. There's
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Speaker 1: so many questions just ricocheting off the inside of my
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Speaker 1: mind right now, because you know, if you look at
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Speaker 1: this Jeff Cortesi, former FBI, she's so clearly targeted because
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Speaker 1: the person walks to the door, rings the doorbell, she answers,
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Speaker 1: they shoot her and then walk back to the car.
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Speaker 1: This isn't a drive by shooting. It's not a rape,
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Speaker 1: it's not a burglary, it's not a robbery. She is targeted.
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Speaker 1: Not only that the killer clown takes great efforts to
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Speaker 1: cover their identity. They never utter a word, which means
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Speaker 1: they don't want their voice to be heard. This has
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Speaker 1: to be someone that knows her, or is obsessed with her,
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Speaker 1: or has been watching her. And my guests would be
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Speaker 1: she knows them too. Agree or disagree? No, I absolutely agree.
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Speaker 1: This is a cold, calculated and well thought out I
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Speaker 1: mean the steps that were taken to to shield the
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Speaker 1: identity of the shoe from anybody around. Were very well
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Speaker 1: planned out, and all indications are that these two people
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Speaker 1: would would know each other. The first thing I would
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Speaker 1: be doing is trying to get the make and model
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Speaker 1: of that vehicle that the killer was driving, and going
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Speaker 1: to every grocery store and about a ten to fifteen
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Speaker 1: mile vicinity that sells balloons or flowers. You know, there's
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Speaker 1: always that balloon and flower section typically in grocery stores.
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Speaker 1: Definitely flowers, first move, and looking for forensics. For all
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Speaker 1: I know, the clown was wearing gloves. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: now you were hearing Peter van zan at forty eight
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Speaker 1: hours this is Alexandrew's stone at k ETV. Listen. Marlene
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Speaker 1: Warren was in her Aero Club community home with her adults,
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Speaker 1: Sign and some of his friends. They were eating breakfast
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Speaker 1: when they noticed someone at their front door. Marlene answered it,
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Speaker 1: revealing a person dressed as a clown holding two balloons
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Speaker 1: and a basket of flowers. A witness who was present
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Speaker 1: at the time recall would happen next in a police interview,
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Speaker 1: saying Marlene made a remark like you know, oh, how
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Speaker 1: nice you know and everything. She was happy about it,
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Speaker 1: and when she went to reach and grab for it,
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Speaker 1: he just shot her in the mouth twice. The witness
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Speaker 1: says that the scene said that the clown just turned around,
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Speaker 1: walked back to the car, got into the White Christ
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Speaker 1: from the baron, and just drove away very calmly. A
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Speaker 1: Christ's little baron in color white. Doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists
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Speaker 1: joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela. The
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Speaker 1: fact that this woman, this mother, was shot twice in
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Speaker 1: the mouth. Now, I know a lot of people think
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Speaker 1: that that's just I'll let me just say by accident,
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Speaker 1: now that the shooting is by accident, but that the
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Speaker 1: shooting in the mouth, I think it's on purpose. But
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Speaker 1: shot in the mouth, it was very much on purpose.
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Speaker 1: The clown wanted to distigure her. The clown wanted to
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Speaker 1: make sure that she was dead. It was very thought
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Speaker 1: out and calculated. It's it's always when someone shoots. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the fact that she was shot in
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Speaker 1: the mouth, not just shot in the chest or the head.
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Speaker 1: But she was shot twice in the mouth. And I
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Speaker 1: find that very very significant to Kirk Nurmy, you represented
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Speaker 1: Jody Arius, she shot Travis Alexander. I know you said
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Speaker 1: she didn't fine have it your way, but he was
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Speaker 1: stabbed twenty nine times, I think, and shot in the head.
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Speaker 1: It's significant when the shooter picks the head, the face
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Speaker 1: in this case, the mouth in which they shoot the victim.
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Speaker 1: And I think in your case, Arias was at close
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Speaker 1: range to Travis Alexander. She knew she was shooting him
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Speaker 1: in the head. In this case, the clown was at
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Speaker 1: close range. She knew when she went to the door.
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Speaker 1: She opened the door up, there's a clown. The clown
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Speaker 1: takes the gun and points right at her mouth. Time
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a mom
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Speaker 1: that goes to the door of her home. She's having
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Speaker 1: breakfast with her son and one of his friends. She
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Speaker 1: thinks she's getting a surprise flowers and balloons. What she
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Speaker 1: gets a surprise? All right? She gets shot dead twice
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Speaker 1: in the mouth. Nurmie, don't you think your client, Jody
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Speaker 1: aris aside, it is significant when someone is shot close range,
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Speaker 1: specifically in the mouth. That is a deep psychological up.
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Speaker 1: It's a neon signed to me. Well, it certainly adds
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Speaker 1: a personal anger element to it right. It's not just
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Speaker 1: a matter of killing, It's a matter of disfiguring mamming
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Speaker 1: and make be sure that person life and their death
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Speaker 1: will never be the same. It as a intensely personal
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Speaker 1: way of shooting someone. Well another thing pointing at the mouth.
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Speaker 1: You want to make sure she Marline jan never says
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Speaker 1: another word. But why to doctor Catherine Maloney, Deputy medical
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Speaker 1: examiner joining me out of Erie County, Buffalo. Is there
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Speaker 1: any way a person could live if they've been shot
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Speaker 1: front to back in the mouth. It would really depend
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Speaker 1: on the trajectory of the bullet. So if the bullet
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Speaker 1: goes straight front to back such that it hits the
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Speaker 1: base of the brain, then the person will definitely die
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Speaker 1: because you require the bottom part of your brain to
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Speaker 1: stay alive. If instead, however, the bullet manages to either
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Speaker 1: go to the right of the left, you know, sort
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Speaker 1: of towards through the side of the head, it's possible
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Speaker 1: that the person could survive, but it would be a
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Speaker 1: very long and prolonged process to kind of put them
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Speaker 1: back together again. Do leavipage climb online dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: Do we know whether the clown was wearing gloves? We
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Speaker 1: don't know that for Sir Nancy, So did George Skiro.
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Speaker 1: DNA really on the forefront of DNA forensics Scignists Lab
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Speaker 1: Director Scales Biological Labs, George Skiro. If she's when Marlene
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Speaker 1: goes to the door, she opens the door. If the
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Speaker 1: clown is wearing gloves, what's the likelihood we're going to
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Speaker 1: get any DNA off the balloons of the flowers, No, mancy.
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Speaker 1: It depends on the person who was dressed at the
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Speaker 1: clown handled the items beforehand without gloves, then there may
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Speaker 1: be some DNA present, But of course in order to
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Speaker 1: do that, you have to find the gloves, and you
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Speaker 1: need to find the person so that you could then
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Speaker 1: compare the DNA to that person. Well, another issue is
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Speaker 1: if the clown down went and bought the flowers and
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Speaker 1: the balloons, say in the grocery store, would they have
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Speaker 1: been wearing the gloves at the time of the purchase.
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Speaker 1: Their DNA could be on the balloons, could be on
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Speaker 1: the flowers. What would that be touched DNA. Yes, that
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Speaker 1: would be touched DNA where someone's DNA is transferred basically
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Speaker 1: from the skin on their hands to the items that
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Speaker 1: they're handling. Guys, take a listen now to Peter van
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Speaker 1: Zant at forty eight hours. Joe was living at home
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Speaker 1: and his friends were over that morning, including Jeannie Pratt,
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Speaker 1: who helped ten to Marlene, a neighbor called nine one.
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Speaker 1: I was right next to her and our rolled her
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Speaker 1: to her side. Was a big hole in our chief,
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Speaker 1: an upper lip. Joe, hobbled by a broken leg and
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Speaker 1: cast followed the clown outside the shooter's car, a white
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Speaker 1: Chrysler LeBaron was parked in the driveway. The car was
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Speaker 1: right here, the door was open, the car was running.
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Speaker 1: I tried to get the clown to turn around. I
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Speaker 1: call him every word in the book. The shooter looked back.
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Speaker 1: Joe saw white and red clown makeup, a fuzzy orange wig,
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Speaker 1: and the eyes of the person who had just shot
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Speaker 1: his mother, just really dark brown eyes. The shooter calmly
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Speaker 1: got in the car and drove away. Didn't even squeal attire,
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Speaker 1: just drove off like nothing happened. What does that tell
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Speaker 1: you to Jeff Cortesi, former FBI special Agents, I mean
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Speaker 1: it tells me that there was a lot of thought
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Speaker 1: that was put into this. I mean, when you put
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Speaker 1: yourself in a high stress situation. You know, the world
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Speaker 1: starts to shrink around you, the heart rate starts going,
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Speaker 1: you get tunnel vision, etc. In order to overcome that,
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Speaker 1: it takes either a great amount of training in high
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Speaker 1: stress situations and a great planning. So this was somebody
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Speaker 1: who did not allow the events taking place to change
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Speaker 1: their manipulated behavior beyond what they had intended to do,
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Speaker 1: and that was remained calm and cool and get in
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Speaker 1: and out, and it was it's cold. In the theory,
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Speaker 1: I find that pretty bold, pretty brace and not to
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Speaker 1: even run. If I had just murdered, somebody would at
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Speaker 1: least run to get away. Here's Peter Van say. Listen,
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Speaker 1: investigators had very little to work with initially, Daphne Durette
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Speaker 1: of the Palm Beach Post. They knew that the shooter
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Speaker 1: sped off in a white Chrysler LeBaron. What they also
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Speaker 1: knew was that the shooter had brown eyes. Because of
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Speaker 1: all the makeup and the costume, Joe couldn't even be
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Speaker 1: sure if the shooter was a man or a woman,
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Speaker 1: which left police with a problem. There's a thing called
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Speaker 1: a bolo. What is a bolo? A bolo is an
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Speaker 1: acronym for be on the look out, and in this case,
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Speaker 1: the bolo was for someone dressed in a clown costume.
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Speaker 1: It was not a lot to go on. Man, you're
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Speaker 1: not kidding. A bolo be on the lookout for a
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Speaker 1: person dressed at a clown costume. So let me ask
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Speaker 1: you this Levi page climb online dot com. Tell me
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Speaker 1: who was in the home at the time of the shooting.
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Speaker 1: So there was Marlene Warren, her son and some of
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Speaker 1: his friends, a girlfriend and some of his friends. Neighbors
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Speaker 1: said that after the shooting, some of his friends were
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Speaker 1: running out of the house frantic and scared. On one
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Speaker 1: of the balloons it was written You're the Greatest, while
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Speaker 1: the other had snow white painted on it. The clown
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Speaker 1: was wearing one of those wigs, the fuzzy haired wigs
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Speaker 1: bright orange. So the only identifier is that the killer
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Speaker 1: has brown eyes. Immediately began canvassing the area for who
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Speaker 1: may have sold those balloons and flowers. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this. Other investigators continued trying to find where the
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Speaker 1: flower arrangement and balloons were purchased. One said You're the
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Speaker 1: greatest and the other one had snow white. In the
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Speaker 1: seven Dwarfs on it right, So they had these two
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Speaker 1: very distinctive balloons. Police learned that those balloons were distinctive
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Speaker 1: enough that they could link them back to a specific supermarket.
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Speaker 1: The balloons and flowers left at the doorstep of the
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Speaker 1: murder scene were purchased at this public The fire described
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Speaker 1: as a white female with dark brown hair. Dark brown hair.
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Speaker 1: Police discovered that purchase was made at nine twenty two am,
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Speaker 1: an hour and a half before the shooting, and the
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Speaker 1: store's location caught their attention. Sheila Keene's home is about
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Speaker 1: a little more than half a mile over here. Who
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Speaker 1: is Sheila Keene? And it's very interesting and I don't
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Speaker 1: doubt it for one minute that the clark remembered selling
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Speaker 1: those particular balloons to a woman, white female with long
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Speaker 1: brown hair. That's what the clerk remembers. Why because one
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Speaker 1: was a snow white balloon and one said you're the greatest.
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Speaker 1: Very ironical that the recipient of the balloons You're the greatest,
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Speaker 1: ends up dead. I want to go to Jeff Cortesi,
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Speaker 1: FBI former special agent. Jeff, how do you go about
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Speaker 1: tracking down who sold those balloons? I mean, I don't
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Speaker 1: know that. I don't think there was video at the time,
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Speaker 1: So you have to go to every single clerk at
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Speaker 1: every single grocery store. Yeah, absolutely, this is very nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety n CCTV wasn't then what it is now. So
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Speaker 1: it does take a getting out and going from shop
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Speaker 1: to shop and asking the right questions, and that is
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Speaker 1: a huge resource dream but that's what it takes sometimes
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Speaker 1: to get the lead you need to take you to
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Speaker 1: the next step. Leavipage crime online dot com. Where is
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Speaker 1: the husband in this scenario? Her husband is Michael Warren
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Speaker 1: and he ran a used car lot, car rental agency,
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Speaker 1: and car reposition repossession business. So he had a car
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Speaker 1: lot and a report business. Isn't it true that he
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Speaker 1: had already been in trouble with the law for rolling
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Speaker 1: back oh dometers, Yes, and which is actually a federal offense.
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Speaker 1: He served about four years in prison for that and
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Speaker 1: financial crimes related to his business. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Who is Sheila Kane cut to cut ten? Police take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this. What police did find in the
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Speaker 1: apartment was hair from the bathroom trash and a stunner
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Speaker 1: more orange fibers on clothing inside. She lives home. Detectives
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Speaker 1: aren't saying if Keane is actually a suspect in the murder.
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Speaker 1: What they will say is that they are waiting for
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Speaker 1: test results on samples of hair and fibers taken from
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Speaker 1: search warrants. A police criminologist compared the samples of human
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Speaker 1: hair and the orange fibers from the car and the apartment,
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Speaker 1: and in both cases concluded the samples were similar. So
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Speaker 1: this sounds like something, Well, you could put this in
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Speaker 1: front of a jury and potentially get a conviction. You could,
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Speaker 1: or maybe you couldn't. Similar is not the same man,
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Speaker 1: You are so right about that. Similar is not the saying.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Peter van Sam. Four
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Speaker 1: days after the shooting, police got a huge break. They
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Speaker 1: found a white baron maybe this was the getaway car.
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Speaker 1: They find it in the parking lot of a Win
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Speaker 1: Dixie supermarket. That supermarket is eight miles from the crime
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Speaker 1: scene and nine miles from Sheila Keane's apartment. Inside the car,
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Speaker 1: police found two important clues. They find this orange synthetic
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Speaker 1: hair like the fibers from a clown wig. They also
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Speaker 1: find strands of brown human hair, brown hair like Sheila Keynes.
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Speaker 1: Within hours, police had a warrant to search her apartment.
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Speaker 1: Investigation is to the woman who lives here at the
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Speaker 1: Pine Ridge Apartments off Haverhill Road. They didn't find a gun.
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Speaker 1: Sheila's a stranged husband told police they owned a thirty
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Speaker 1: eight Revolver, but that Sheila told him she misplaced it
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Speaker 1: about a month before the murder. Misplaced your gun. Remind
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Speaker 1: me to circle back to misplacing your gun. But there's
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Speaker 1: so much right here. Stop everything. This woman has a
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Speaker 1: whiteless saber. It's abandoned a Wi DIXI parking lot, and
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Speaker 1: it's got orange fibers in it and a long brown
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Speaker 1: hair in it. That's a coincidence, I don't think so,
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Speaker 1: So leave a page. Why would a completely unknown woman
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Speaker 1: what suddenly dress up like a clown not say word
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Speaker 1: and gun down? Marlane? Who is Sheila King? So? Sheila
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Speaker 1: Keane was twenty six years old in nineteen ninety. She
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Speaker 1: was married, but she worked for Michael Warren and Michael
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Speaker 1: Warren's co workers people that worked for him say that
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Speaker 1: they were having an affair and that she had an
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Speaker 1: apartment that he was paying the rent for. You know what,
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Speaker 1: can you just surprise me one time? A co worker
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Speaker 1: they have an affair according to co workers, and you
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Speaker 1: know you can't keep that kind of thing a secret.
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Speaker 1: Kurt Narmy, could you just one time surprise me and
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Speaker 1: it not be a love triangle with your co worker? Well,
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Speaker 1: I guess not, because that's clearly what the case was here,
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Speaker 1: and we saw we talked about that personalization element before,
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Speaker 1: and we can kind of see that correlation and that
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Speaker 1: puzzle come together, Doctor Angela Arnold. Do they really think
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Speaker 1: the co workers don't notice they're sitting in each other's laps,
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Speaker 1: going out for lunch every day together. You think they
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Speaker 1: don't see that There's got to be some sort of
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Speaker 1: I don't think that they care. I think that they
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Speaker 1: are so into what they're doing that they have convinced
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Speaker 1: themselves that other people around them do not see this behavior.
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Speaker 1: You know, another issue right here. To Jeff Cortesi, FBI
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Speaker 1: former Special Agent office, workers always know what's happening. They
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Speaker 1: always know. You can't keep that kind of thing as secret.
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Speaker 1: You can't in just like in you know, other situations
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Speaker 1: similar to this. You know, the first place that anybody's
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Speaker 1: going to look is close to the home and then
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Speaker 1: work out. So the messagetors are going to start close
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Speaker 1: and work out. So when they start close and they
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Speaker 1: identify something like this, you know, a marital infidelity or
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Speaker 1: that's going to grab their attention right away and there's
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Speaker 1: no way to hide that stuff from people. Marital infidelity
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Speaker 1: and the white less sabers actually stolen. So in the
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Speaker 1: stolen white less saber found abandon at a wind See
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Speaker 1: parking lot. What is the likelihood George's Squiro, the lab
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Speaker 1: director Scales Biological Lab, Inc. That you're going to find
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Speaker 1: orange hair from a wig and long brown hair that
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Speaker 1: they say is similar to what was used, but without
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Speaker 1: the wig. How can they make a comparison? George Guiro, Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: what they can do is they can take those fibers,
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Speaker 1: those orange fibers, and run a series of chemical and
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Speaker 1: microscopic analyses on them to determine what their chemical makeup is,
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Speaker 1: what's the structure of the fiber, what type of dye
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Speaker 1: was used, and they can give investigative information and also
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Speaker 1: the hair itself can also provide some forensic information that
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Speaker 1: might be of value. If that hair is still in
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Speaker 1: couldn't it be compared even without a route, couldn't you
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Speaker 1: get mitochondrial DNA from the here found in the stolen
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Speaker 1: the saber and try to match it up to the mistress.
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Speaker 1: That's correct, metcy mitochondrial DNA would be the type of
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Speaker 1: analysis that would be used to make that type of comparison.
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Speaker 1: So isn't this true? Levi page climb online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter that the neighbors that live near Sheila King
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Speaker 1: actually thought that Warren the husband was her husband because
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Speaker 1: he was there all the time. And yet you are correct,
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Speaker 1: and they spent a lot of time together. Well you know,
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Speaker 1: you call it spending time together. I call it something else.
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Speaker 1: But for all the neighbors to think that was Sheila
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Speaker 1: King's husband, the killer clown? Is it the mistress the
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Speaker 1: love rival? What happens after that? Guys? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to unmask the Killer Clown twenty seven years at the
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Speaker 1: war and his gun down in the doorway of her
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Speaker 1: Florida home. The Palm Beach Post uncovers a salacious secret.
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Speaker 1: We're coming up on the twenty seventh anniversary of Rollan
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Speaker 1: Warren's death, so my editor and I decided that I
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Speaker 1: should look into it. What she found out was that
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Speaker 1: Mike Warren and Sheila Keane the same people who denied
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Speaker 1: having an affair shortly after Marlene Warren was killed were
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Speaker 1: now husband and wife. Michael gets out of prison early,
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Speaker 1: and what does he do. He seeks out the same
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Speaker 1: woman who was investigated for killing his wife. Think about it.
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Speaker 1: You don't marry a woman that you suspect that mighty
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Speaker 1: killed your wife. Mike Warren married Sheila Keane in Las
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Speaker 1: Vegas in two thousand and two, twelve years after his
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Speaker 1: wife's murders. So he does time on that odominter charge.
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Speaker 1: Remember he works to use car lot connective, rolling back
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Speaker 1: the admins and tricking customers, gets out, goes straight to
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Speaker 1: Sheila King and marries her. That's pretty strong circumstantial evidence
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Speaker 1: to you, Kurt Narmy. Yeah, there's no doubt about it.
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Speaker 1: You have motives, you have, you know, evidence of maybe
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Speaker 1: they got married to cover up after the fact. They
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Speaker 1: thought they were bringing on privilege or marital privilege. Who knows,
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Speaker 1: who knows if the husband even knew. But yes, the
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Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence is piling up in their actions after the fact.
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Speaker 1: Her actions in particular, show of consciousness of the old
27:36
Speaker 1: Let me understand something, Levi Page. The husband was not
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Speaker 1: in jail on the odometer charge at the time the shooting.
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Speaker 1: Was he No, he wasn't. That was years later, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and he served time for that, and he actually got
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Speaker 1: out of prison and married Sheila Keen in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and two, and then they moved to Southern Virginia, a
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Speaker 1: community right outside of Kingsport, Tennessee, a very upscale community
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Speaker 1: known for retirees moving there in the mountains, very beautiful,
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Speaker 1: and they lived there and she went by the name Debbie,
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Speaker 1: and they started a restaurant together called the Purple Cow.
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Speaker 1: And apparently they were very well liked. She changed her name.
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Speaker 1: She started going by an alias. Yes, Debbie, she was
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Speaker 1: not going by Sheila. So they move away from the jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: she changes her name, he gets rid of the car
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Speaker 1: a lot, and they start a restaurant called the Purple
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Speaker 1: Cow far away from the murder. Wow. Sounds a little
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Speaker 1: bit like they're on the run. Now. There's another report
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Speaker 1: that at the time of the shooting, he was in
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Speaker 1: fact in a car with a group of guys on
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Speaker 1: the interstate. But long story short, he was nowhere near
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Speaker 1: the home at the time of the shooting. Is very
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Speaker 1: hard for me to believe, since these two, then getting
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Speaker 1: married after the murder, that he knew nothing about it.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Bombshell. Right now, this case,
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Speaker 1: over twenty seven years later, is going to trial. I'm
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Speaker 1: just wondering if there's any way they got a DNA
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Speaker 1: match on that hair found in the stolen lasaber, the
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Speaker 1: white lasaber identical to the one that left the scene
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Speaker 1: of the murder. Take a listen now to unmask the
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Speaker 1: killer clown, the Homage County Sheriff's Office and the Washington
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office of Virginia tracked Michael and Sheila. They
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Speaker 1: were cutting to Vermont for a vacation. He pulled the
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Speaker 1: car over and arrest Sheila, who's sitting in the passenger seat.
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Speaker 1: While she lives in the loose car. She ask officers questions,
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Speaker 1: why are you arresting me? Are you arresting my husband?
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Speaker 1: Where are you taking me? Are you taking my husband
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Speaker 1: somewhere too? Once police get her into an interrogation room
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Speaker 1: and tell her what the case is about, she tells
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Speaker 1: them that she doesn't want to answer any more questions,
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Speaker 1: and she puts her head down. Sheila Keene is charged
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Speaker 1: with first degree murder and extradited to Palm Beach County.
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Speaker 1: This is what we know. According to the detectives on
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Speaker 1: the case. They say DNA advances since the time of
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Speaker 1: Marlene's murder, combined with other evidence, have made this case
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Speaker 1: viable at trial. To George Skiro, special guests are joining
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Speaker 1: us at DNA expert Lab director at the Scales Biological Lab, Inc.
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Speaker 1: George Skiro, what do they mean by advancements in DNA technology, Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of advancements in the last several
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Speaker 1: years as far as DNA and nalysisco was. However, in
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Speaker 1: this case, mitochondrial DNA analysis is for a forensic cases,
31:05
Speaker 1: has probably been around since the mid nineties, So unless
31:09
Speaker 1: they use some of the newer genetic genealogy technologies in
31:13
Speaker 1: this case, it seems like it's pretty much standard mitochondrial DNA.
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Speaker 1: And what we're learning is that the killer clown investigators
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Speaker 1: use DNA from hair samples to make a cold case arrest.
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Speaker 1: Because at one moment, the alleged killer, the mistress, Sheila
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Speaker 1: Keane Warren, is on her way to visitor a mom
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Speaker 1: and Vermont. The next minute she has been handcuffed and
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Speaker 1: plays in the back of a Virginia Sheriff's cruiser. She's saying,
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Speaker 1: where am I going? Why am I under arrest? She's
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Speaker 1: sitting back there in her jeans and flip flops. When
31:47
Speaker 1: she's told she's under arrest because of a murder, she
31:52
Speaker 1: immediately puts her head down and refuses to answer any
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Speaker 1: further questions. Now, this is what we know DNA based
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Speaker 1: on hair samples. Again to George Skiro, the lab director
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Speaker 1: Skills Biological Labs, Inc. Try to explain that to me
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Speaker 1: and regular people talk when we say hair samples have
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Speaker 1: managed to solve a twenty seven year old cold case
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Speaker 1: murder by a killer clown of all things, what are
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Speaker 1: they saying? Well, and see what they're saying is that
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Speaker 1: this mitochondrial DNA that was found in the hair samples
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Speaker 1: in the vehicle matched the mitochondrial DNA profile of Sheila
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Speaker 1: Key Warrens. And this is not like the normal type
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Speaker 1: of DNA that we hear about every day. This one
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Speaker 1: isn't as specific because it's passed along maternal lines within
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Speaker 1: the family. We also know now that the clown was
32:53
Speaker 1: absolutely wearing gloves, a bulb nose, and a painted smile
32:59
Speaker 1: over a white face. We also know that a pistol
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Speaker 1: was the murder weapon. I don't know about you guys,
33:07
Speaker 1: but if I had a gun, I don't think I
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Speaker 1: would misplace it. The only person I've ever heard of misplacing,
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Speaker 1: not that it was stolen, but misplaced a gun was
33:17
Speaker 1: Robert Blake, who was acquitted by a jury in the
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Speaker 1: murder of his wife, Bonnie Lee Bakley. Well, he killed her,
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Speaker 1: just I hope the jury here's that. But I've never
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Speaker 1: heard of another case where a weapon was misplaced. That's
33:33
Speaker 1: what she says. We know detectives collected samples of Sheila
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Speaker 1: Keane's hair, vials of her blood, and a search warrant
33:41
Speaker 1: because she was a suspect at the time. Now, when
33:44
Speaker 1: her apartment was searched, Lee by page, what was found
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Speaker 1: in the apartment that can help me out on this
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Speaker 1: DNA comparison. So they found fibers that were red that
33:56
Speaker 1: was consistent with the red of a wig of a
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Speaker 1: clown inside of her appointment. We know that there was
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Speaker 1: a court ordered search of her home. In the apartment,
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Speaker 1: there were fibers from a bright orange wig. Not the wig,
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Speaker 1: but fibers and clothing that police were checking from bloodstains.
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Speaker 1: Similar bright red orange fibers were found in the stolen
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Speaker 1: the saber in the reopened case. This may be the
34:27
Speaker 1: key the FBI crime lab. That's where you come in,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Cortesi. The FBI crime Lab say matches were made
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Speaker 1: to fibers collected from the getaway car through a precise
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Speaker 1: DNA connection, that Sheila Keane is a possible source of
34:47
Speaker 1: the hairs. What does that mean to you? That means
34:52
Speaker 1: that they are connecting the car to the suspect and
34:56
Speaker 1: the wig to the suspect. The It is one more
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Speaker 1: piece in a chain of evidence that more completely tells
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Speaker 1: a story that gives the prosecutors a little bit more
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Speaker 1: confidence to take to a grand jury and then subsequently
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Speaker 1: to a jury. Is it truly vi Page that almost
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Speaker 1: fifty four thousand dollars life insurance policy was paid to
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Speaker 1: Michael Warren at the death of his wife, and is
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Speaker 1: he also going to be indicted? That is true, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that there was a life insurance about fifty grand that
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Speaker 1: was awarded to him after she was murdered, Nancy, But
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Speaker 1: so far he has not faced any charges in the
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Speaker 1: murder of his wife, Sheila Keane. We wait as Justice,
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Speaker 1: Unfoles delayed, yes denied No. Nancy Grace Crime Store signing
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