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COINTELPRO Pt. 1: The Usual Suspects · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Winter Insurance that I'm true. I'm a checkup with Chance
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: No, it's the conspiracy Boys.
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  Speaker 2: With a Z and we are talking about some ship
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  Speaker 2: this week.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about co and his friend tellpro that that's
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  Speaker 3: how Dune I was. I did think for a period
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  Speaker 3: of time that this was co and tel Pro, Like
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  Speaker 3: when people like a few conspiracy guys would bring this
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  Speaker 3: out to me, like well if you look at Operation
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  Speaker 3: Mockingbird on co Intelpro, like, oh yeah, all three of
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  Speaker 3: those things really bad.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about co intel Pro, which just means counterintelligence program.
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  Speaker 2: One of my favorite things about this is how long
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  Speaker 2: it took for people to figure that part out.
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  Speaker 3: But they did eventually, and now we get to act
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  Speaker 3: like we would have thought of it first the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I would have put that acronym together. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to do a couple more co Intel Pro episodes
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  Speaker 2: that will like drill down on some of the things
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about today, but this will be
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  Speaker 2: more of a broad overview of co intel pro and
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  Speaker 2: all of the different groups they spied on, assassinated in
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  Speaker 2: some cases, you know, government shit, some.
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  Speaker 3: Of their favorite targets.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a massive domestic spying program carried out
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  Speaker 2: by A. J. Edgar Hoover's FB I officially ran from
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  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty six to nineteen seventy one. Definitely ended in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one.
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  Speaker 3: Don't worry that on March ninth it had ceased to
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  Speaker 3: exist completely. Yeah, and it was but an unpleasant memory
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  Speaker 3: for a noble institution.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the FBI went back to being pretty cool after this.
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  Speaker 3: They actually changed then acronym to be the Federal Bureau
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  Speaker 3: of I don't even care, man, whatever, dude, you want
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  Speaker 3: to traffic that shit, do it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that just reminded me what should do? A bonus
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  Speaker 1: episode on a spook that set by the door. The
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  Speaker 1: movie is fucking amazing. I did a video on it
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  Speaker 1: on my main channel. It's amazing, and I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: it's right, but I fucking understand why the government pooled
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  Speaker 1: that shit. It's literally a step by step by man
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  Speaker 1: if you were to throw, if you were to get
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  Speaker 1: some shit started. That's all I'm gonna say. If you've
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  Speaker 1: never seen a movie like extremely detailed, that the story
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  Speaker 1: behind it is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: So the movie itself is super detailed.
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  Speaker 1: The entire movie it's based on the book. I ended
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  Speaker 1: up just buying this entire book just because I thought
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  Speaker 1: I had way more about it. But it goes into
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  Speaker 1: detailed revolution. The book it's Revolution the thirty five millimeter.
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  Speaker 1: It talks about the making of it. It's some dope shit.
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  Speaker 1: I'll maybe i'll, it might be better if I send
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  Speaker 1: you out a video I did on it to catch
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  Speaker 1: it up. But it's just it's interesting just how much
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  Speaker 1: the government was stepping on shit because it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: crazy story, and the movie is really good. The movie
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  Speaker 1: is really good. It's kind of become a cult classic
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  Speaker 1: at this point because for years you couldn't find it.
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  Speaker 1: It got pulled in most cities after like three to
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  Speaker 1: five days, and then it just disappeared for years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should cover that.
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  Speaker 3: It's too bad. I can't. I'm not allowed to say
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  Speaker 3: the title.
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  Speaker 1: No, Well, it's a play on words. Back then, a
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  Speaker 1: spook was another word for a spy.
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  Speaker 3: So I always want to use it like that because
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a great term for these people though,
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  Speaker 3: like their job is to go scare the shit out
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  Speaker 3: of you and be Boltergeist like assholes.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, what do you mean these people?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? So the thirty second rundown is basically the FBI
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  Speaker 1: was like, hey it is I think that mayor or
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  Speaker 1: something like, hey, you not polling with the blacks? Good,
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  Speaker 1: So why don't we get a black dude in the FBI?
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  Speaker 1: And we'll say we got a black spoke. And the
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  Speaker 1: whole goal was to get him in just so they
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  Speaker 1: could say they do it and not really give him
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  Speaker 1: any real responsibility. But it's a really interesting movie. It's
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube. Y'all should be able to search it YouTube
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  Speaker 1: for free.
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  Speaker 2: So the first thing I want to talk about when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to Cointelpro, and this is a thing we
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  Speaker 2: probably will do a longer episode about, but the way
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  Speaker 2: co Intel Pro was found out is fascinating. It happened
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  Speaker 2: because of an activist group called the Citizens Commission to
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  Speaker 2: Investigate the FBI. There was a very famous fight March eighth,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one Fight of the Century Ali versus Fraser
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  Speaker 2: mom and Ali, famously a leftist figure opposed the Vietnam War.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't realize Joe Fraser was like a conservative basically
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  Speaker 2: and supported the war, but apparently that was the case.
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  Speaker 2: The Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI used this fight
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  Speaker 2: as cover to break into an FBI office in Media, Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 2: Why is there an FBI office in Media, Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 3: US where it's store media? I guess, yeah, what an
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  Speaker 3: ironic name for a remote location.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in Stuff to Do Wyoming.
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  Speaker 2: I googled it and the first thing that comes up
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  Speaker 2: as a picture of an arboretum.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you want to put the FBI,
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  Speaker 1: it is kind of good to put it somewhere born
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  Speaker 1: because if it ever gets raided, you gonna notice a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of random trucks coming.
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  Speaker 3: I've also heard that they kind of put shit in
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  Speaker 3: out of the way places, So it's like, well, we
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  Speaker 3: can restart the government in Omaha after the nuclear bombs fall,
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  Speaker 3: because they'll forget to get Omaha, because who the fuck
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  Speaker 3: remembers Omaha.
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  Speaker 2: Like I personally love. Apparently, Media Pennsylvania is just a
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  Speaker 2: suburb of Philadelphia, so I guess that makes more sense
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  Speaker 2: I was. I hear that name, and I'm picturing them
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  Speaker 2: just driving out to Farmland and there's like a standalone
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  Speaker 2: FBI office there.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a country strawberry farm, like a little wooden
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  Speaker 3: shack and it's.
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  Speaker 2: A corn silo. He's got in a black suit and
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  Speaker 2: a straw hat, and they were hoping the building manager
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  Speaker 2: and anyone else who was present would just be too
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  Speaker 2: preoccupied with updates about the fight to notice any break in,
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  Speaker 2: and they were right. Apparently this fight wasn't even broadcast
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  Speaker 2: on television or radio. They could only do a summary
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  Speaker 2: of each round after the round happened, but there was
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  Speaker 2: no TV coverage and no radio.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's surprising because Sonny listing one and two were
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  Speaker 1: those were closed circuits because I did a video about
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  Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali well just this book boxing and a mob
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  Speaker 1: and how crazy that shit was, and that happened before
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  Speaker 1: this fight, and they started doing closed circuit fights before that.
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  Speaker 1: So that's weird that this fight wasn't at least closed
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  Speaker 1: circuit TV.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder, isn't this the one that was in Manila?
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if it was because of the.
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  Speaker 1: Low Oh maybe maybe that's probably why I think it
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  Speaker 1: was the Rumble in the Jungle thriller. Wait, are those
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  Speaker 1: two different fights? I thought they were the same.
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  Speaker 3: I think they might. I don't know. It's not even
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  Speaker 3: the fuck do I know?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I only I have no idea
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  Speaker 1: where Manila is.
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  Speaker 2: Actually that's in the Philippines.
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  Speaker 3: In the Envelope Capital of the Philippines.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, If it's in the Philippines, it's two different
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  Speaker 1: fights then, because the Rumbo in the Jungle it's where
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  Speaker 1: the Alibu Maye chat came from.
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  Speaker 2: Fight of the Century was at Madison Square Garden.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Why the hell was it not on TV? That's what
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  Speaker 2: this episode's about. Now we got to figure out why.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like when you want to watch the
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  Speaker 3: Laker game, but then you can't watch it because you
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  Speaker 3: live in LA for some reason.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, it was on Okay, the source I read
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  Speaker 2: it was confusing the way they put it. It was
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  Speaker 2: broadcast on closed circuit.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was about to say.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't on like regular TV or the radio.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, closed because the Loki to Mafia invented that shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that doesn't surprise me. So, yeah, they were hoping
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  Speaker 2: everyone would be too distracted with that fight to notice
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  Speaker 2: this break in, and they were right. It took some doing.
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  Speaker 2: They almost gave up at one point because the lock
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  Speaker 2: pick they brought, he picked a lock and then just
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  Speaker 2: in real movie fashion type of shit, picks this lock,
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  Speaker 2: opens the door and there's just another lock that he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't able to pick on a different door inside that.
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  Speaker 2: But then they managed to get in a different way.
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  Speaker 2: They take all these files, and in those files they
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  Speaker 2: discover the existence of a series of FBI efforts to
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  Speaker 2: spy on American citizens. Sent the files to the New
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  Speaker 2: York Times, LA Times, Washington Post. New York Times and
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  Speaker 2: LA Times refused to publish them. Washington Post only one
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  Speaker 2: that agreed to do it initially, but other outlets followed
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  Speaker 2: suit after they did. The entire trove of stolen files
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  Speaker 2: were eventually published as the March nineteen seventy two issue
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  Speaker 2: of WIN magazine, a journal associated with the War Resistors League.
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  Speaker 2: You can still read it. We'll link to it in
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  Speaker 2: the show notes. It's government files, so it's not easy reading.
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  Speaker 2: That's for goddamn sure.
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  Speaker 3: That sounds like a really old magazine, Like I'd brush
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  Speaker 3: past that to get to an issue of Life or something,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like yeah, win and bye by war Bonds
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  Speaker 3: while you're at it.
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  Speaker 2: In the cover of the magazine is great because it
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  Speaker 2: looks so festive. It's got like really fun font But
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  Speaker 2: also the title is just FBI co Intel Pro files
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  Speaker 2: or whatever the fuck. It was an NBC reporter named
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  Speaker 2: Carl Stern who noted the repeated use of the word
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  Speaker 2: co intel pro in the files, and at the time,
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  Speaker 2: no one knew what it meant. No one was willing
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  Speaker 2: to tell him. So NBC sued the FBI, and that's
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  Speaker 2: how we found out what co intel pro meant.
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  Speaker 3: They were like a cool older brother. They wouldn't tell
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  Speaker 3: us before that. Yeah, you wouldn't even get it if
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  Speaker 3: I did tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like who are you? Sho heo. Tani like
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  Speaker 2: he had that photo shoot with his dog and then
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  Speaker 2: everyone was like, what's your dog's name? He's like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not gonna tell you. We'll find out later. And it
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  Speaker 2: did take weeks before people figured out that dog's name.
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  Speaker 3: I respect the commitment to your dog's privacy.
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  Speaker 2: But you're also putting a baseball card out with your
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  Speaker 2: dog's face on it. Hiccola and Otani, so let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about Jay Edgar Hoover. Co Intel pro was basically his
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  Speaker 2: pet project. It was his doing. In October of thirty eight,
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  Speaker 2: he approached FDR to ask for expanded powers to spy
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  Speaker 2: on Americans. At that time, it was fascists we were
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  Speaker 2: worried about. There were all these fascist regimes popping up
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  Speaker 2: in Europe, and we were worried they were going to
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  Speaker 2: take hold here and replace the fascist regime we've been
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  Speaker 2: building for all these years.
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  Speaker 3: That'd be kind of fucked up if we did all
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  Speaker 3: this work and then someone just swooped in and used
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  Speaker 3: our fascist infrastructure that we created to dominate and control
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  Speaker 3: our civilians. Exactly, how about a little continuity of fascism please.
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  Speaker 2: There was a bill in nineteen thirty nine called the
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  Speaker 2: Smith Act that has been called one of the toughest
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  Speaker 2: restrictions on free speech in history. It outlawed any talk
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  Speaker 2: about overthrowing the government, outlawed joining any group that advocated
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  Speaker 2: for the overthrow of the government. And when people were like, well,
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  Speaker 2: what exactly do you mean by overthrow the government, the
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  Speaker 2: government was like, yeah, you know whatever, Like they never
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  Speaker 2: really defined what do you mean, like completely topple the government?
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  Speaker 2: Or do you mean the government is shitty to black
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  Speaker 2: people and women and you want to change that, because
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  Speaker 2: it seems like it was that. It seems like overthrow
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  Speaker 2: me more challenged the status quo than actually toppled the government.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they did something smart, which was they left themselves
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  Speaker 3: a lot of room for a pressing. You know, sometimes
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  Speaker 3: you go around depressing people, but you really zero in
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  Speaker 3: on one group and then once you've fucking hunted them
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  Speaker 3: to extinction, you sit around with your dick in your hand.
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  Speaker 3: Not fucking good. J Edgar Hoover, this guy knew how
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  Speaker 3: to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, It's kind of like how communists never really had
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  Speaker 1: a definition. It was just something was over there making sense.
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  Speaker 1: Don't just report kids communists, It's just whatever the government felt.
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  Speaker 3: It's like anything that's trying to affect the government whatsoever
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  Speaker 3: in any way. You could be going around marching for
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  Speaker 3: free school lunches and you could be you're trying to
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  Speaker 3: affect a sub decision of the government.
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  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, and that seems like is exactly how
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  Speaker 2: they applied it. Also, the FBI, especially under j Edgar Hoover.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like forever, but especially under Hoover, their main
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  Speaker 2: goal really was just upholding the status quo. If you
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  Speaker 2: were part of a group that was challenging the way
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  Speaker 2: America works in any way, you were a probably fucking
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  Speaker 2: environmental groups, civil rights groups, the KKK, which we'll get
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  Speaker 2: to that. That part was pretty funny.
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  Speaker 1: In the status quo at this time was black people
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  Speaker 1: are three fifths, women have no rights, and certain parts
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  Speaker 1: of European aren't really white.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, pretty much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm technically Mexican under this system.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, well, that last name they used to beat
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  Speaker 1: you all so much they came up with the nickname
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  Speaker 1: of Patty Wagon is throwing Irish people. That's actually where
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  Speaker 1: that's arm comees from. Really, he used to beat up
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  Speaker 1: so many Irish people and just toss him in the
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  Speaker 1: paddy wagon like Italians, Irish Polish work. They were white,
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  Speaker 1: they were like second class white back then, and they'll
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  Speaker 1: fuck you up for trying to get some rights.
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  Speaker 2: So when FDR gave Hoover this, he basically gives him
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  Speaker 2: the sign off to spy on people. And he told
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  Speaker 2: Hoover keep it to like foreigners.
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  Speaker 3: And you just don't look in the just don't look
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  Speaker 3: into what's under this blanket on my lap.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He told him to limit it to just like
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  Speaker 2: foreigners and use wire taps in a limited capacity, and
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  Speaker 2: Hoover was like, fuck you, I'm gonna do pretty much
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  Speaker 2: whatever I want. So eventually FDR dies in office and
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  Speaker 2: Hoover has this secret agreement in place, and now Harry
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  Speaker 2: Truman's president. He sends a memo to Truman and is like,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, I had this agreement in place with
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  Speaker 2: FDR mentions nothing about the only spying on fourners using
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  Speaker 2: limited wiretaps. He's like, I had this agreement in place,
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  Speaker 2: Can we extend that? And Harry Truman not only says yes,
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  Speaker 2: but he specifically tells him, don't tell me if you're
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  Speaker 2: doing anything illegal, which that's the president who dropped a
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  Speaker 2: nuclear weapon in wartime for you. Goddamn. When I read that,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, God, what does he mean You're not
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do that you're the president. Yeah, yeah, it's terrifying.
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  Speaker 3: I mean he was a judge, if I recall correctly,
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  Speaker 3: so it is kind of smart. Yeah, keep me out
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  Speaker 3: of it.
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  Speaker 2: So there were a few years between Hoover getting FDR
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  Speaker 2: and Truman's blessing to spy on Americans and that becoming
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  Speaker 2: an official program. Cointel Pro officially launched in August nineteen
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  Speaker 2: fifty six, and the first target was the Communist Party.
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  Speaker 2: But also at the time, you were just a communist
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  Speaker 2: if you weren't doing what the government wanted you to do,
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  Speaker 2: like they would just call you a communist.
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  Speaker 3: You only got one kid, what are you a gay communist?
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  Speaker 3: Buy another point seven cars? Be an American.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of how Hoover thought. Though he was obsessed
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  Speaker 2: with communism and everyone he spied on, he would somehow
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  Speaker 2: twist it to be whethery're influenced by communists. He thought
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  Speaker 2: Martin Luther King was a communist. Martin Luther King, who
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  Speaker 2: very famously wrote a long essay about how Communism and
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  Speaker 2: Christianity were not compatible. But Hoover was convinced MLK was
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  Speaker 2: a communist.
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  Speaker 1: I mean probably by the end of his life. He
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  Speaker 1: was the shit that got him killed when he started
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  Speaker 1: those later speeches where he talks about I fear how
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  Speaker 1: the what's the exact quote? I fear I forget. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to mess up the exact quote. But he
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  Speaker 1: basically he was becoming more radical during the last the
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  Speaker 1: later years of his life.
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  Speaker 3: He had his like on Tupac Machavelli period where he
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  Speaker 3: was like going on Hail Mary and aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, first, depending on what you can
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  Speaker 1: what you consider a communist, he probably was. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing. They never really say what a communist is.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Tupac never really went around called himself a communist,
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  Speaker 3: but he talked a lot about community organizing through gangs
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  Speaker 3: and shit that like, I don't know, some people have
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  Speaker 3: interpreted as communist ideas. Certain certainly was like a leftist
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  Speaker 3: anti you know, anti government figure, both of them on
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  Speaker 3: some level.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much anything left it could be considered communists
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  Speaker 1: in America.
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  Speaker 2: Hoover was also obsessed with the idea that homosexuals were
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  Speaker 2: communists because they both like live secret lives and don't
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  Speaker 2: tell people what they're really up to. So he was like,
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  Speaker 2: gay people are communists.
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  Speaker 3: If I ban all the gay guys, then there will
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  Speaker 3: be no gay guy but me, and then no one
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  Speaker 3: can prove anything really cured. It's all of this stuff,
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  Speaker 3: is like, all of this projection and hate and fear
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  Speaker 3: and loathing, It just it all reeks of I need
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  Speaker 3: a hug. Have you ever seen like the photo of
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  Speaker 3: Jagger Hoover. It's just misery in every line in his
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  Speaker 3: haggard face.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Isn't it him that used to walk around in women's
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: stockings and some shit like that.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's all kinds of rumors and shit. I don't
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: know much about it, but I know there's a lot
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: of that going on, at least people claim there is.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard the rumors about him, you know, wearing
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: women's clothes, and so it's here's the thing, which that's
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the only cool thing he ever did, and it's almost
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: funnier if he didn't. But history has just painted him
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: that way because that's what the FBI was doing in
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the seventies. They were like, yes, fucking communist and he wasn't.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: They just wanted him fired from his job.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe I put this out there so that no one
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: would ever take his his pet creation. Seriously, there's a
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: bunch of handy hills wearing fruits over there in the bureau.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: So there was early on in co Intel pro there
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: was this incident that happened where two British diplomats were
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: found to be Russian spies and they were all so gay.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: So Hoover was like, fuck, I'm right, all gay people
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: are communists, and he launched this initiative called the Sex
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Deviates Program. It was a program to designed to find
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and fire any gay people working in government. Is fucking
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: program carried on for twenty five years, and by the
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: time it ended, the FBI had three hundred thousand pages
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: of files on known or suspected homosexuals. That is nuts.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: And here we see Adam Todd Brown shopping for a
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: vase and really taking his time, right.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Like, imagine being a straight guy that got fired just
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: because you too fucking stylish, Like you wore your third
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: pair of shoes to work that month? This moterfully how
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: many pairs of shoes? Huh?
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: And that's the kind of shit it was, though. It
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: was just if you were doing anything that like conservative
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: white dudes didn't do, you're probably a communist.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Scream in your coffee, all right, buddy, you know.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Like we've seen that before. He also launched something called
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the Responsibilities Program, which was literally just the government canceling people.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: If the FEDS found out you were part of a
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: socialist group or a communist group, or just didn't love
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: America enough, they would literally call your boss at work
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: and be like, listen, it's kind of your responsibility to
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: fire this person because they're communists, and you don't want
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: communists working for you.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Do you.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: They had a whole program. It was just that, just
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: firing people for their political belief I was.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I'm just thinking of every boss I've ever had at
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: every TV show I've ever written for, and every single
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: one of them would have fired me in two seconds
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: if they got a call from someone that sounded like
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: they were from the government. The saying O'Connor has been
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: going to too many leftover crack concerts.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people have a thing with authority. That's how Remember
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that case where the guy was like calling fast food restaurants.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, having people stripped down and stuff.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just people thinking, oh, well, this is an
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: authority figure. I have to do whatever the fuck they say.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. I mean it's you know, it's scary. It's
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: is the government. It's not the big bad mom and
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: daddy behind your tax return. You know. Like, Yeah, if
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: they ever came fucking with me, I'd probably bitch out.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't publish the papers and give the interview.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, I don't know, maybe I would.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: It's a lot to fight government is fucking huge.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I don't want to have to eat prison food, you
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: know what I mean.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, I mean I'd probably just
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: go on the run. That would like, that'd be like
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: being on the Amazing Race a little bit.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: It would be fun to see. And there's no better
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: obituary than gunned down in his prime by the FBI,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: You're immortalized.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I used to read some of these articles a few
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: years ago. I would I was making videos on them,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and I told the story before. I'm still like ninety
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: percent sure that my house was booked. I swear to God.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: So like in twenty twenty, I was with a group
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: in Detroit. We were doing like actual activism work on
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the ground. This was right, this was I think it
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: would hear what month George Floyd happened. But this was
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: like before every ding got crazy. We were just doing
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: books on the ground stuff. And at the same time
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I will start my YouTube channel. So I was reading
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: different FBI files and I swear to God for like
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: four months. This is after I left the group. I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: would walk up the stairs. My extra text me, like
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: you have to come up, ain't you the entire Wi
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Fi which just shut down every single day for four months.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck happened. I never had
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: any explanation, and I was like, you know, what a
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: fuck that I'm about to start making videos about movies,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: so I kind of left that alone. The weirdest thing.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I've never had anything experience like that in my life,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and it was around the same time I started reading
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: FBI files and making videos about them.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: So co intel Pro ran into a big problem early
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: on in that its whole existence was justified by communists
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: running rampant in the United States. In nineteen fifty six,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: when it was started, they believe they were around twenty
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: thousand communists in the country. By the next year, that
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: number was adjusted to three thousand. So now they're like, well,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: that's not even enough communists to fucking hunt down, so
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: we gotta find something else to target. And good thing
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: for them, the civil rights movement was underway by that
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: point because the Rosa Parks arrest happened in nineteen fifty five,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: which was a year before the official launch of co
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: intel Pro, and then in nineteen fifty seven, a year
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: after the launch of co intel pro Martin Luther King
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Junior and friends founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And this is much should be mentioned. This is a
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: second wave of civil rights. I dropped to mention but
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: before a white flight, it's about how pretty much suburbs
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: were created starting with Atlanta. The first wave was with
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Senior, and they were just moving too slow.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: It was like performative and stuff like that. And shout
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: out to my og doctor Jared Ball I had on
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: my channel a few times. One of his sayings is
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Martin Luther King is the most known and least understood
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: person in human history. It's a reason they were calling
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: him a radical back then because the shit they were
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: doing was radical compared to what the first wave of
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: civil rights was doing. They were doing like performative stuff
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: like yeah, riding on the bus, but it was all
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: scripted out and stuff. And then when MLK and his
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: folks came through, they're like, nah, fuck this, We're doing
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: sittings at the lunch counter and we're uh, we're going
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: to put Rosa parks in the whites only section and
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that stuff like that. They it's reason that stuff had
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: an effect because it was organized within itself, but it
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: was so far from what people had expected. They were like,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: y'all moving to slow, we're in our early twenties, were
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: about to get shit cracking.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Hoover was especially obsessed with MLK.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I mean right right, I mean I don't agree with him,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: but rightfully so. He was very charismatic. They was getting
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: shit done. I mean, if you were villain, you want
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: to be like, man, this guy you got it going on.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're working for an outfit that is
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: hell bent on upholding the way things are in the
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: United States, but he will.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: You can't have anybody doing what I would like to
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: think of as like Jesus shit, where you get a
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: guy with some good ideas bringing together the poor and
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: the tired. No, no, no, no, that's to Jesus he
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: that is way better than whatever fucking regime mom dad
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: government could cook up, you know, much more appealing. I
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: think you're totally right. It's a great target if you're,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: you know, trying to maintain continuity of tyranny in the
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: United States.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And wasn't it Hoover who said that they were trying
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: to prevent a Black Messiah?
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Was Jay Edgar Hoover.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Wow, that sounds like a really fucking great intro to
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: like a NAS album, like Jiger Hoover, like we need
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: to stop the rise of the Black Messiah.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, if people don't want to do any further reading,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: but you want to watch a good movie about this
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: shit Judas in the Black Messiah.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, really good movie, really good, amazing.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Assassination of Fred Hampton. So yeah, he thought MLK was
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: just a threat to the American way of life. He
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: also thought he was using his popularity to push communism.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Of course I read. One of the sources I use
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: for this was a really short, like timeline overview kind
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: of book about go and tell pro I'll link to
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: it in the show notes. The only reason I mentioned
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that is because of this quote from that book, which
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: is absolutely adorable. Here goes. Many historians have also suggested
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: that Hoover was a racist, and that he was opposed
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: to the Civil rights movement and King's growing role and
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: fame end quote. No, I don't talk about Jago Hoover
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: that way. Racist history has suggested he might have been racist.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: You know why his last name's Hoover. Why because he sucks.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, like to be you.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I thought that was going somewhere else. I didn't know where.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I just because he's a damn fool.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe he wasn't racist by nineteen fifty six, ahead what
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: is I don't know.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. Everyone was a little racist. If
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: you were white in the nineteen.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: It would it would be weird if you weren't.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like even the progressives were probably pretty fucking racist
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Well, like if you went in there talking about like
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the plight of African Americans would be like African or
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: what now?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And yeah, I also won't hear any suggestion that
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: racism was involved in Jaeger Hoover's decision to start around
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: the clock surveillance on MLK in nineteen sixty two. There's
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: a pretty famous memo out there that it's real, it's
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: been verified. Will link to it. But this FBI agent
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: basically he goes to Hoover and is like, yeah, I
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: actually don't think MLK is a communist and I don't
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: think he's like doing anything to promote communism. And Hoover
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you do, you actually do think that?
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: And maybe should you know, come back with a different memo,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: and sure enough that guy came back and was like, yeah,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Martin Luther King is the biggest threat to the United
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: States as it relates to communism going forward. So Hoover
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: was a racist. There was no fucking if sands or
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: butts about it. J Edgar Hoover was fucking racist. But
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: apparently history is still on the fence. I don't think
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I knew RFK signed the warrant authorizing the wiretapping of MLK.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny that I came up in the show.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: I just saw that I was reading his Wikipedia or
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: something like a few weeks ago, a month ago, and
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I saw that, and I was like, oh, there's a
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: rare demerit for our old Bobby Kennedy. I think he
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I can sort of maybe by the I think there's
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: so many reasoning is that he's like, I wanted to
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: show that there was nothing to fear there, or nothing
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: anti American there or whatever, which you know, I'm sure
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say MLK was anti American, at least not
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the you know, ideals of America. I'd prefer it embody,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: but Jigger Hoover felt differently. Yeah, So maybe at best,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: he's naive. I would say, you know what I mean.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, just because knowing what I know about black
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: radical thought, I will say he probably he was anti American,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: but for all the right reasons, because being pro American
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: is saying, yeah, I'm fine with segregation, segregated parks, blacks
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: getting less, not voting right. So if the argument is
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: he's anti American because he's not with that shit, yeah,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: but so you know, it depends what's the question you're asking.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I would say most people in the Civil rights era
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: were anti American because of what Americas stood for at
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: This is a quote from RFK Junior about his dad
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: wiretapping MLK. They were betting not only the Civil rights
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: movement but their own careers, and they knew that Hoover
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: was out to ruin King. There was good reason for
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: them doing that at the time, because Jay Edgar Hoover
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: was out to destroy Martin Luther King in the Civil
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: rights movement, and Hoover said to them that Martin Luther
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: King's chief was a communist. My father gave permission to
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Hoover to wiretap them so he could prove that his
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: suspicions about King were either right or wrong. And it's like, oh, well,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: when you put it that way, I still have no
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: fucking idea what you're talking about.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I gotta sock you there, Adam. You said that was
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: rf K jr. Yeah, you might need to redo that
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: quote with the voice I was gonna try throw you
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: throw it out?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not only no, I can't, it's too much.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I've been frequently told by conspiracy the show listeners that
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I remind them of Otto, the bus driver from The
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Simpsons h with the way my voice sounds, Oh my god,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: years of smoking, and even my voice is not fucked
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: up enough to do a really compelling RFKG.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah you gotta have the brain worm doesn't work otherwise.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: And yeah, that explanation from him it they did it
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: to prove that his suspicions were either right or wrong.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, that's of course. That's what you're trying
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to prove, is that you're right or wrong. That's not
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: a justification.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Also, did they not know what a socialist was?
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Back? Dude?
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I can probably not.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Most nobody nobody has ever known what it's so unfortunately,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: at least not in America. If we don't understand the
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: fine points between these terms at all.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Right, that's what I'm saying, especially when you're talking about
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: right wing these these words mean nothing. You just it's
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: just a good way of It's like, it's just dog
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: with was At the end of the day, the terms
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: don't really mean anything. They just were like, it's just
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: a good way of saying, investigate them niggas over there.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean what they were calling. And that's what
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: they were doing. They're like, Oh the black panthers, Martin
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Luther King, Kwame tore go investigate them. There's black people
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: trying to get progress. Oh the women they trying to
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: get rights, go investigate them. The gays, go investigate them.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: It's all the dog whistle.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: It's like, now we might call them terrorists or something. Now,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: if socialist was all played out, if we couldn't find
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: an angle that you know, it's whatever the term that
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: has purchases of the day.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's how we went from WOG to DEI to
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: have they come up with a new one yet? Are
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: they still on DEI? Did they come up with a
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: new one yet? I think DEI is a hot one.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: But they ran walking to the ground. Before that, it
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: was a firm defection had a hot little run.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of a like a Bush era, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: early Obama thing. Once we got in the middelated Obama,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: we started hearing about woke.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's when we fixed racism.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I mean three of us.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, we personal I.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Don't know if I shared that. It's not really a theory.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: It's loki kind of improvable that Donald Glover is the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: reason white people discovered woke because.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Of his song Red Bone, good fucking song.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good song, but woke had been a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: term among black folks for years, something dating back to
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: at least in nineteen fifties. But because of that bar
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: so stay woke, niggas creep and ever since, then white
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: folks start running out, I'm woke, I'm woke, and within
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: three four years Republicans co opted. Then we stopped saying
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that shit. It turned into blame bline.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we have this like termite likability to really just
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: ruin words and culture as soon as we get access
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: to it. Because I remember, I remember before the term
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: woke was real and it was a good way to say, well, actually,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of fucking chemicals and need to deorderant
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: you know, or whatever, like actually true relevant thing that
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: probably you know was making you unhealthy or what have you,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: what have you. And then it just became this like
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: exhausting cultural touch point of that meant, I don't even
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: let's stop talking about it as soon as possible.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a dog whistle for any any day
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Republicans hate pretty much.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: But I used to be able to say shit like
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: snow man eater is like a man eater bug with
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: nineteen hundred defense stay woke, you know, And it was fun.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: What what you gio talk? Don't worry about the snowman
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: eater powerful card.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: That's a real car. Snowman eater.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: When you flip them face up, he storys one monster
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: around the field. Not too bad.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: What the fuck does that to do with woke?
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Well, he's like man eitter bug, but better you gotta
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: stay woke man eitter bug. You gotta activate the flip effect.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Snow man eater just needs to be flipped face up.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: This is how the word died.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about to say, that's definitely not how
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you used to word. It's the perfect It was.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Not a great example. I'm willing to admit that So.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the suicide letter. That's a famous moment
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: in American history. When the FBI won, they wiretapped every
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: fucking room MLK was in, including motel rooms, hotel rooms,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: everything holiday in.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, his neck, his back, his pussy, and his righteous crack.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: So they had recordings of him cheating on.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: His wife, allegedly.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I still don't believe that that's coming from the FBI.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: The joke that we had Jerry Minor play MLK on
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: this show I wrote on called Historical Roast, And when
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: that came up, he goes, so you heard about my
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: other dream.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: And so they sent this recording to his wife along
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: with a letter, And the FBI has since claimed they
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: were just trying to get him to step down as
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: leader of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, but most people
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: think they were at trying to get him to commit suicide.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: There's a line in there that says, King, there's only
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: one thing left for you to do.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: You know what it is?
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: What if he read that and was like, you're right,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I got to commit a mass shooting. Fucking I gotta
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: go shoot hundreds and hundreds of people. Goddamn violence is
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the answer. Yeah, but spoiler, he didn't kill himself, so
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: the government had to do it well. Shortly thereafter they also,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I thought this was neat. They also sent a bunch
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: of compromising info about MLK to the media, and the
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: media ignored it and did not publish it. There were
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: like some people who'd worked it into speeches and shit,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: but there were no media outlets that either covered it
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: or even acknowledged that they got it.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: That sounds so strange to me today.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: And the operating theory is that this is because of
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: journalistic scruples. That's crazy, that's all. I mean, it's so cool,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: But wow, the past was a long time ago.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a very different time for sure, especially
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: in terms of of reporting, Like we're never gonna have
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: another Watergate because there's no such thing as a scandal
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: for politicians now. There's just things we're mad about and
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: not mad about.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, the president is there, We're like sixty percent
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: sure he's a kidfucker, and nobody cares. It's that you
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: can't there's nothing you could do.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And he took a fucking airplane from the Saudies.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Took an airplane from the Saudis and not in a
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: party airplane a partylicious fun time. If there was a
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: fucking bachelorette party of airplanes, it would be this stupid
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: ass giant airplane.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like Watergate could happen now for all. Also,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: it doesn't get talked about, I think enough. But in
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the pantheon of American government scandals, Watergate is pretty fucking tame.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Oh geez. Yeah, it's a shame. It gets all the
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: ant honestly, and I kind.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Of feel like that's sort of the point, because we
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: just talk about Watergate. We don't talk about mk Ultra,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: we don't talk about co intel Pro. There's so many
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: things that were happening then that were so much worse.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: How we're a branding baby. That's how Oreo beat hydrugs.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hydros doesn't sound like a good cookie.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Somebody's mouth gets water for a fucking hydrux.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Why did they call them hydrocks? I don't get it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: It's some weird nineteen twenty shit.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I think that's nuts.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, you know, when you're getting the shit
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: kicked out of you by the fucking creative team over
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: at Trader Joe's with the JoJo's. This is their entry
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: into the end of the arena.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Told us like JoJo's sound delicious.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: They are, they are, And every Christmas they have a
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: ice cream that is a chocolate peppermint ice cream that
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: has the peppermint JoJo's in it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah it's pretty fuck its pretty hard.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's a fucking winner.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Look, let's not say capitalism never did anything for us.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: So MLK was very opposed to the Vietnam War and
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: that just added fuel to Hoover's fire when it came
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: to the idea of MLK was a communist and so
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: they launched a whole other co intel pro operation aimed
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: at black nationalist hate groups. But it was pretty much
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: just King and the SCLC. But then, very conveniently, a
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: random whack job with no political leanings or ties to
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: the government at all assassinated Martin Luther King Junior, so
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the government didn't have to worry about it anymore. The
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: glitch worked itself out. What a lucky break for the
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: US government who was not involved in that at all.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Kind of a noun related thought, but the Southern Christian
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Leadership Center sounds like is the most racist sounding pro
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: black group I've ever heard, right that sounds like it
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: should be the most bigoted group of the Southern Christian
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Leadership Center. Get off our lawn. But it's like literally
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the embodiment of racial progress. Yep, the old convenient crazy
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: guy glitch. It seems to work out in the government's
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: favor all the time when you perus their history.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So often in the sixties, government just really lucked out
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: that all these random crazy people killed the entire high
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: level leadership of the civil rights movement in presidents and
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: presidential candidates.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: And so this hasn't happened so much since then. So
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: they must have really invested in mental health care in
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: America afterwards to make sure that something like that would
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: never happen to any new and inspiring leaders ever. Again.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Oh what they closed hospitals? Okay, Yeah, that's the great
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Bukowski line. It's like the prisons are full and the
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: madhouse is closed. Born like this Anyway, I just.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Want to remind people that Mlka's family did sue the
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: government so crazy alleging that they were part of a
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: conspiracy with a man named Lloyd Showers to assassinate Martin
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Luther King Junior, and they won that lawsuit Snopes is
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: the fucking government. Don't let them tell you that because
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: it was a civil trial, it doesn't matter. The fucking
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: government would have preferred to have not been found liable
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: for killing Martin Luther King Junior. I fucking promise you.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: That we have done a decade of exposing these like
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: racist old fat cracker spooks on this program. And a
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: guy named Lloyd Jowers is just on name alone, absolutely
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: involved in anti racial progress conspiracy theories. No question about
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Lloyd Jowers. That's like what Richard Nixon's real name was
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: before he changed it for show business. That name is insane.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a racist sounded name.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: This is the OJ civil suit of assassinations. That really
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: is incredible. They beat the government.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nuts. Me and John did an episode about
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: HBO also did a like they did a mock trial
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: of James Earl Ray and found him like he was
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: found not guilty.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Now I think about it. HBO is long key, like
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: probably the most progressive American network. They're the reason the
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: average American knows about the Tulsa race riots because of Watchmen.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah mm yeah, it's a good point. Did they do Roots?
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: That was the network wasn't it.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I think that was BBS.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: I don't think everyone would have seen it if it
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: was on HBO because I remember his pret I know
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: it was ubiquitous when it came out, and HBO even
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: exists by then, I knew I was gonna feel stupid
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: once I asked that question.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Pretty sure Roots was the eighties because ithead Read and Rainbow.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Early seventies.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Oh it was that early.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: We came out on ABC seventy seven.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Oh seventy seven. Oh yeah, I remember watching it. I
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: was born by them. I don't I met LeVar Burton once,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: very nice guy.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I bet he would be Yeah, fucking love JORDI.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about Trump, so I do like that.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: There was a brief turn with Cointel pro where Lyndon
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Johnson took office and Hoover was like, hell, yeah, this
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: racist is going to let me do whatever I want.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And Lyndon Johnson was like, go spy on the KKK
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: and Hoover was like, do I have to come on?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: They're doing the good stuff.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I know, they're like an unofficial, like a fan branch
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: that does guerrilla warfare on their behalf.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they did the co Intel Pro absolutely fucking
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: targeted the KKK in under Lyndon Johnson and fucking the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: way they it is described, is the KKK and Mississippi
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: collapsed in on itself and it was mostly just them
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: like spreading rumors about other KKK people being involved.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: With the FBI and shit, they said, your robes look
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: like shit, Yeah, that I'll wrinkled. No respect for the
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Grand Dragon.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I heard Carl was one eighth Italian.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: I heard that they couldn't get the other arm of
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: the cross lit and it burned like super unevenly. It
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: was like so ratchet, Like.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: God, that's a good sixties racist.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Oh am, I the voice I'm doing? Yeah, I think
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: you so.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: The Black Panther Party, they were obviously a big target
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: of co intel Pro. They launched in nineteen sixty six,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: so right around the time MLK was about to get
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: assassinated a couple of years before. But if you can
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: believe it, Hoover viewed the Black Panther Party as quote
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: the greatest threat to the internal security of the country
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: end quote. Another famous memo here where an FBI agent
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: fires a memo off the Hoover and is like, seems
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: like the Black Panthers are just giving school kids breakfast
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: in the morning, and that is kind of the extent
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: of their activities, and Hoover twisted that into the Black
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Panther Party is trying to quote fill adolescent children with
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: insidious poison end quote. But we're still up in the
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: air on whether this guy was racist.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: They referred to grits as incitio is poison. It's just
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: fucked up. It's it's hilarious, how I just laughing because
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: it's like, it couldn't be anything more magnanimous and gentle
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: and kind than feeding and giving lunch to underprivileged children.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: They might as well be wiping oil off of the
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: you know, seals after the BP spill. It's just it
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: couldn't be sweeter.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Just I don't know, it's just so I mean, it's
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: also what we hate about Venezuela, or what we initially
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: hated about Venezuela. They elected their first non white president.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: He started literally feeding poor people, and we were like,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: oh no, not on our half of the globe, buddy,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: not on our watch. And we've been fucking Venezuela up
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: ever since.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: This shit is a pyramid, okay, not a fucking not
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: a skyscraper, a pyramid, it gets smaller towards the top. Motherfucker.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: You want to be on the top, you better come
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: with us.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: So Fred Hampton, let's talk about it. He comes up
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: as part of co intel pro all the time because
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: it is known that the FBI ordered the raid that
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: the Chicago PD carried out where Fred Hampton was assassinated,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: and I feel like it has come to be considered
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: an assassination by history. The only thing that has never
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: been confirmed is if the FBI wanted him to be
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: killed during that raid. But like, why have the informant
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: drug him if you didn't want him to be killed?
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Because we know that happened. There was an informant named
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: William O'Neill who managed to get a job as Fred
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Hampton's personal bodyguard, and on the night of this Chicago
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: PD raid, he drugged Fred Hampton so Fred Hampton would
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: not wake up when this happened. What other purpose could
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: there be? Then, well, we're going to kill him, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: we don't want him to fucking get up and get
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: away because he was shot kind of close, like it
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: was very close range. He was shot in the head,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: So like, if he's just laying there in bed and
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: you shoot him in the head. That's an assassination. That's
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: not Oh he pointed a gun at us and we
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: had to fire back. I don't think the Chicago p
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: D would just do that if they weren't at least
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: sort of confident that someone above them kind of signed
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: off on it. I mean, maybe I don't want to
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: get the Chicago PD any fucking credit or a bunch
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: of goddamn maniacs, but there's no way the FBI didn't
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: just want Fred Hampton dead.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: And also, it's nineteen sixty nine. If you were a cop,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you could really pretty much just kill any black guy
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: and get off with it. They weren't exactly prosecuting police
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: officers for doing that. We barely do it now.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, rare, Now, I was going to say, this is
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: like the least sporting assassination of all time. At least
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: when you get the RFK, it's like, well, look, you
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: earned it, Okay, if brainwashed the Palestinian guy, you gotta
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: girl with the polkadad dress, you did the whole thing,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: all right, you got him. This is just like, let's
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: be lazy and just use our existing levers of control yeah,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: you know Fred Hampton deserved better. Oh that's a great leader.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't put anything about it in the notes,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: but there's also in it. We've talked about it so
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: much on this podcast, but the assassination Malcolm X is
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: pretty fucking sketchy as it relates to the FBI.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Also, it leaves you asking Malcolm why.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: The detail that always stands out to me is there
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: were I think ten FBI agents or informants in the
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: room when Malcolm X was shot. But we're supposed to
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: believe the FBI just again just happened randomly, some random wacko.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: We don't exactly know who because one guy got caught
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: with the gun in his hand and the crowd beat
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: the shit out of him. We know that guy was
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: one of the shooters, but almost immediately he was like
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: those other two they were not shooters. They were not
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: part of this at all, and so we immediately let
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: them out of prison. Forty years later, but we still
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: don't know exactly who shot Malcolm X except for the
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: one guy. But there were three people who did it,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: and there was a lot of FBI in the room.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: The current season of Godfather of Harlem is covering the
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: fallout of it. So the previous season ended with Malcolm
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: X getting killed. The current season is about one of
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: the guys they got framed. But I just stopped to watching.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: They're trying to do way too much. It should have
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: ended this season when Malcolm X died. But yeah, I mean,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: if you like it, they're doing too much for me.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they are covering that storyline right now in
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Malcolm X's daughter is trying to tell well, no, Bumpy
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Johnson's daughter is trying to tell her dad. Yeah, this
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: guy didn't do it. It's a whole thing.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a really good Netflix documentary also about it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Was really good. I'm surprised have you not done an
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: episode on it?
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I covered it with a tiff, like, okay, I
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: thought so back when it came out. Yeah, but yeah,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: the assassination of Malcolm X, every fucking detail about it
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: is just speaks to it being a setup. The other
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: thing that blows my mind and makes it obviously a
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: government thing to me is the place that happened was
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: a spot where black civil rights types would gather all
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: the time and have like speeches, rallies, whatever the fuck.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: So of course it was filthy with cops all the time,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: like cops patrolling outside. On that day when Malcolm X
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: was killed, they had two cops like on the roof
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and that's it. There was no one at the door
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: checking people for guns. They just mysteriously had very little
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: police presence around that place on that day.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Called the Goalie.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I do remember learning that Malcolm X, as far as
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: being checked, he didn't want people feeling I forget what
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: his reason was that he didn't want people pat it down.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: But also you would think that they would the police
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: would have some playing close officers in there along with
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the FBI.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure they did. I just don't think they
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: were there to protect anyone, right, They were probably just
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: there to watch. So, like I said, we're going to
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: do a couple more co Intel pro episodes. On the
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: next one, we're going to get into the other groups
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: that they spied.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: On, including one I was a part of. Is it
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: now the American Indian Movement? I know, yes, it was now.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: I was in the National Organization for Women one in
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, in two thousand and eight because
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: I was very woke when I was a kid.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are two groups in particular the American Indian
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Movement and the National Organization for Women that co Intel
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Pro both spied on. And then this is so fucking America.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: When all the revelations about co intel Pro came out,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the Church Committee did like a kind of detailed list
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: of everyone they spied on and just left aim and
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Now out of it. Just did not mention like they
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: knew that co intel Pro spied on the American Indian
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Movement and on the National Organization for Women and just
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: did not mention that part because we really want people
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: to think Native Americans don't exist anymore, like they're a
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: myth but pretty wild. So we'll talk about all that.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about how this came to be revealed to
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: the public. Some of the regular ass people that co
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: intel Pro went of after they got a fucking Boy
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Scout leader fired because he used to be married to
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: a socialist and they were like, he's gonna make those
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: kids socialists. So they just up his boss and was like,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: you got fire him, and.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: It isn't the Boy Scouts basically socialists aren't. There isn't
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: there a whole thing like doing shit for people?
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And also I would submit that it was his
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: ex wife. I would bet you he probably hates socialism.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: He's like that bitch was always fucking rending and railing
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: about sharing. How about you fucking I'll give you something
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: to share, woman, Like.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Why not just bring down the whole boy, scout. The
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: whole thing is like making sandwiches and helping old people
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: and shit and build and stuff. What kind of organization
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: that they think that is?
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so. Yeah, we'll get into all that on
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: the next episode. Until then, Connor, John, thank you both
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: for doing the pod. What do we have to plug
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: before we get out of here? Just follow me on
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: blue Sky adamsop Brown Dot, Besky dot Social There's other
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: stuff to announce soon, but ah, I don't feel like it. John,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: what do you want to plug?
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Search my YouTube channel. You'll find me spell it the
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: same ways on here. John Lewis, I'm always dropping something.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Connor, what do you want to plug? Uh?
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Inglehard my YouTube channel and watch my racist comedy special.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: After you've heard all my smart opinions and I.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Think that's it, let's get the fuck out of here.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: John say goodbye, see y'all later.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Connor say goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, everybody.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: We love you,