Latest / The Climate Translation / The Pacific Seesaw
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- 0:00Most of the time, we talk about climate as a slow long-term trend, but every few years
- 0:14something different happens.
- 0:16The Pacific Ocean, the largest feature on the planet, shifts its weight from one side
- 0:22to the other.
- 0:24That shift is called the ENSO, the El Nino Southern Oscillation, and it's one of the
- 0:30closest thing Earth has to a heartbeat.
- 0:34Today we're going to take apart this natural phenomena and look at how changes in ocean
- 0:40temperatures near South America can help trigger droughts in Australia, floods in California,
- 0:47and weather extremes across the globe.
- 0:51We'll separate the myths from the mechanics, explain what ENSO can and can't do, and explore
- 0:58how climate change may be putting this natural cycle under added strain.
- 1:05Welcome to the podcast, I'm Dr. Mac, and this is the Climate Translation.
- 1:16To understand how the El Nino Southern Oscillation works, we need to start with how the tropical
- 1:22Pacific normally functions.
- 1:26In an average year, strong trade winds blow steadily from east to west along the equator.
- 1:34These winds push the warm surface water away from South America and towards Indonesia and
- 1:41Australia.
- 1:43Another time that warm water actually piles up in the western Pacific, sometimes by more
- 1:49than a foot, that pile of warm water is important.
- 1:55Warm water heats the air above it, causing air to rise and create low pressure.
- 2:02Cooler water does the opposite.
- 2:05So as warm water builds up in the west, air rises there.
- 2:11It then flows eastward in the atmosphere and then sinks over the eastern Pacific, and
- 2:18then flows back west along the surface.
- 2:22That loop is called a walker circulation.
- 2:26At the surface, this circulation reinforces the trade winds, and along the coast of South
- 2:33America, those winds pull surface water away from the shore, allowing cold, nutrient-rich
- 2:40water to rise up from the deep.
- 2:44This process, called upwelling, supports some of the most productive fisheries on Earth.
- 2:51Now, that's the baseline, that's normal.
- 2:55ENSO happens when the system gets knocked out of balance.
- 3:00During El Nino, the trade winds weaken, sometimes dramatically.
- 3:06When that happens, the warm water that's piled up in the western Pacific is no longer held
- 3:12in place.
- 3:14Gravity takes over, and that warm water sloshes back east towards South America.
- 3:21As it spreads out, the eastern Pacific warms.
- 3:25The cold, upwelling shuts down, and the entire pressure pattern across the Pacific shifts.
- 3:33The atmosphere responds, almost immediately.
- 3:37Rainfall patterns move east.
- 3:40Regions that are normally wet can dry out.
- 3:43Places that are dry can see flooding, and because the Pacific is so large, those changes
- 3:50ripple outward into weather patterns across most of the globe.
- 3:55Now, La Niña is the exact opposite.
- 4:00The trade winds just don't strengthen, they go into overdrive.
- 4:05Warm water is pushed even farther west, cold, upwelling in the east intensifies, and the
- 4:11temperature contrast across the Pacific becomes stronger than normal.
- 4:17That supercharged contrast locks the walker circulation into a more intense version of
- 4:24its usual pattern, often bringing cooler global temperatures and a different set of climate
- 4:31impacts worldwide.
- 4:34So it's the same system, just different settings.
- 4:38A useful way to think about ENSO is a giant bathtub.
- 4:43In a normal year, it's like your hands are pushing water towards one end.
- 4:49That's the trade winds doing their job.
- 4:52During El Niño, your hands stop pushing, and the water sloshes back the other way.
- 4:58During La Niña, you push harder than usual, exaggerating the imbalance.
- 5:04The tub hasn't changed, the water hasn't changed.
- 5:08What's changed is the force applied to the system, and that's a key point.
- 5:14ENSO isn't a storm, it's not a switch that flips on and off, it's a natural oscillation,
- 5:21a back and forth movement that's coupled to the ocean atmospheric system.
- 5:28Understanding that seesaw is the key to understanding everything that follows, including why ENSO
- 5:35has global effects, why its impacts aren't the same everywhere, and why climate change
- 5:41complicates the picture without directly causing El Niño or La Niña.
- 5:49The El Niño Southern Oscillation has a direct impact on the ocean's food delivery service.
- 5:56In the eastern Pacific, especially off the coast of Peru, the normal state of the ocean
- 6:02is surprisingly generous.
- 6:05Strong trade winds push surface water away from the coast, and the cold water rises up
- 6:11from the deep to replace it.
- 6:13That rising water is packed with nutrients, things like nitrates, phosphates and iron, eroded
- 6:21from rock and stored in the deep ocean.
- 6:24When they reach the sunlight, microscopic plants called phytoplankton explode in number.
- 6:31That plankton feeds anchovies, anchovies feed larger fish, birds, seals, and whales feed
- 6:39on all of it.
- 6:41It's one of the most productive marine ecosystems on earth.
- 6:45That's the East Pacific feast.
- 6:48In my oceanography classes, this is usually when a student asks, well, if the water is colder,
- 6:55why is it better for life?
- 6:56It's because cold water from the depths is old water.
- 7:02It's been sitting in the dark collecting nutrients for decades or even centuries.
- 7:07Warm water by contrast is often nutrient poor, it's been stripped clean by biology already.
- 7:16It's not the temperature that matters as much as the nutrients.
- 7:20During El Niño, when warm water sloshes eastward, that nutrient conveyor belt breaks down.
- 7:27The warm surface water thickens and acts like a lid to the ocean.
- 7:32The upwelling slows or shuts off entirely.
- 7:35The nutrients can't reach the surface sunlight, phytoplankton production crashes, and the
- 7:42entire food web begins to unravel.
- 7:45Anchovies either migrate or die off, seabirds abandon nesting sites or starve in some cases.
- 7:53Fisheries can collapse even within months.
- 7:56So can't the fish just eat something else?
- 7:59I might be asked?
- 8:00Well, not easily.
- 8:02Even food webs are efficient, but fragile.
- 8:06When the base collapses, there's usually nothing to replace it very quickly.
- 8:11You can't really skip steps in an ecosystem.
- 8:15But not all marine life loses during El Niño.
- 8:19As warm water spreads poleward, species that prefer more tropical conditions can follow it.
- 8:26Fish like mahi mahi tuna and even some sharks suddenly appear far outside their usual ranges.
- 8:35During especially strong El Niño events, you can even find some tropical fish as far
- 8:42north as San Francisco.
- 8:44Of course, this leads to another common question.
- 8:47Does that mean climate change is happening there?
- 8:51Well, not necessarily, and that's an important thing to note.
- 8:56ENSO doesn't create new species or new behaviors.
- 8:59It rearranges where existing species can't survive temporarily.
- 9:04When conditions shift back, many of those species retreat.
- 9:09But there's a catch.
- 9:11Repeated or extreme ENSO events can stress ecosystems faster than they can recover.
- 9:18Coral reefs can have more bleaching events.
- 9:22Kelp forests can weaken.
- 9:25Species that rely on stable conditions struggle to rebound before the next disruption arrives.
- 9:33And that leads to one last important question.
- 9:37If this keeps happening, does temporary start to become permanent?
- 9:42And that question sits at the edge of modern climate science.
- 9:48ENSO has always been part of the Earth's system, as far as we can tell.
- 9:52But as the background ocean warms, the impacts of each swing can become more damaging.
- 10:00Not because anything here is new, but because the system it's operating in is changing.
- 10:06The ocean doesn't respond to ENSO once, it remembers.
- 10:11And understanding that memory made up of the biological, the chemical, and the physical
- 10:15processes is key to understanding why ENSO matters far beyond the Pacific Ocean.
- 10:23So how does a change in ocean temperature in the middle of the Pacific end up affecting
- 10:29rainfall in Kansas, snowfall in California, or droughts in Australia?
- 10:36The answer starts with the jet stream.
- 10:40High above our head, the jet stream is a concentrated corridor of air that flows from the west to
- 10:47the east.
- 10:48It helps steer storms, control temperature contrasts, and decide where rain and snow tend to fall.
- 10:57And the jet stream responds to where heat is released in the atmosphere.
- 11:02And that's where ENSO comes in.
- 11:05Think of the jet stream like a fast-moving river.
- 11:09Under normal conditions, it follows a familiar path.
- 11:13But ENSO is like dropping a massive boulder into that river.
- 11:17The atmosphere doesn't ignore it, it has to flow around it.
- 11:21It creates bends and waves and ripples that travel far downstream.
- 11:27During El Nino, warm water spreads east across the Pacific.
- 11:32The warm water heats the air above it, causing more air to rise in places where it normally
- 11:38doesn't.
- 11:39That rising air changes pressure patterns, and pushes that fast-moving jet stream into
- 11:46a new configuration.
- 11:48During La Niña, the opposite happens.
- 11:51Heat stays farther west, and the jet stream responds in a different way.
- 11:57That process is called teleconnection.
- 11:59It's a fancy word for something that happens here that affects the weather far away.
- 12:07So why doesn't this just stay over the ocean, or around the ocean area?
- 12:13It's because the atmosphere is fluid and connected.
- 12:17We live on a planet where everything's connected.
- 12:21Once you change where the large amounts of heat enter this system, the entire circulation
- 12:27across the entire globe adjusts.
- 12:30In the United States, El Nino often shifts the jet stream southward.
- 12:36That makes the southern U.S. cooler and wetter, especially in winter, while the northern
- 12:42U.S. can end up warmer and drier than average.
- 12:47California is more likely to see heavy rain events, though not every El Nino guarantees them.
- 12:53Meanwhile, in parts of Southeast Asia and Australia, El Nino can suppress rainfall, increasing
- 13:01the risk of drought, wildfires, and crop stress.
- 13:05La Niña tends to flip many of those patterns, increasing the rainfall in the western Pacific
- 13:12and shifting storm tracks northward in North America.
- 13:17So does El Nino cause the storms?
- 13:20No.
- 13:21ENSO doesn't create individual storms.
- 13:25It changes the background conditions that storms move through and either grow them or
- 13:32suppress them.
- 13:34It's where the loaded dice analogy happens.
- 13:38ENSO doesn't roll the dice for the atmosphere, it loads them.
- 13:42During El Nino and La Niña, certain outcomes become more likely.
- 13:47Nothing is guaranteed, though.
- 13:49You can still have a quiet El Nino winter or an intense La Niña season with few extremes
- 13:56in a given location.
- 13:58When it comes right down to it, climate is complicated.
- 14:02It's about probability, not certainty.
- 14:06One of the biggest misconceptions is that ENSO can explain a lot of things.
- 14:11Not every drought, flood, or heat wave can be blamed on La Niña or El Nino.
- 14:17Weather is influenced by overlapping systems from Arctic oscillations to local sea surface
- 14:24temperatures to random variability.
- 14:27Even land-cover differences can affect the weather.
- 14:31ENSO is powerful because it tilts the odds across large regions, though.
- 14:37Not because it controls the outcome.
- 14:40And that's why ENSO is important for seasonal forecasting.
- 14:44It doesn't tell us exactly what will happen, but it tells us in probabilistic terms what's
- 14:50more likely.
- 14:52Understanding that difference helps prevent both over-hype and misplaced blame.
- 14:59So if ENSO is always been part of the Earth's system, as far as we can tell, what happens
- 15:05when the background climate it's operating in begins to change.
- 15:10Yes, ENSO has been part of the Earth's climate system for a very long time.
- 15:16It's a natural oscillation driven by ocean heat, winds, and pressure differences across
- 15:23the Pacific Ocean.
- 15:25Climate change didn't create it, but human-induced climate change does change the conditions
- 15:33ENSO operates in.
- 15:35Over the last several years, new research has begun to converge on a worrying problem.
- 15:42Studies published in 2025 and 2026 suggest the Pacific may be shifting towards what scientists
- 15:50sometimes call climate whiplash, larger, faster swings between very strong El Niño and
- 15:58very strong La Niña events.
- 16:02It's important to point out that not every study agrees on the details, but they all point
- 16:07in the same general direction.
- 16:10And the reason comes back to something we've already talked about, that stored heat.
- 16:16The oceans absorb more than 90% of the excess heat trapped by the greenhouse gases.
- 16:23We are an ocean world, after all.
- 16:26That means ENSO is now operating on top of a much warmer background than it did just
- 16:31even a few decades ago.
- 16:34Think of it this way.
- 16:35If ENSO is a sea saw, climate change is raising the floor underneath that middle part that
- 16:41holds the plank, which allows both sides to rise and lower more.
- 16:47So when an El Niño begins today, it's starting from a higher temperature baseline.
- 16:53The warm water that sloshes east isn't just warmer relative to normal, it's warmer than
- 16:59absolute terms.
- 17:01That means a moderate El Niño can produce impacts that resemble a strong El Niño from
- 17:0840 years ago.
- 17:10It's not because ENSO itself has changed category, but because the system is interacting
- 17:17with already hotter conditions.
- 17:20So does that mean every El Niño will be extreme now?
- 17:25Absolutely not.
- 17:27ENSO is variable.
- 17:29Some events will still be weak.
- 17:31Some years will be quiet.
- 17:33The cycle hasn't become a metronome, but the risks are growing.
- 17:38When ENSO does swing strongly, it now has more energy to work with, more ocean heat to
- 17:44release into the atmosphere, more moisture to fuel storms, and higher background temperatures
- 17:50to amplify heat waves and droughts.
- 17:54Another key insight from research is that stronger swings can arrive closer together.
- 18:01In the past, a strong El Niño might be followed by several calmer years, but as the ocean
- 18:08stores more heat, the system can be primed to rebound sharply, flipping from El Niño
- 18:15to La Niña as fast as a year.
- 18:18That's where the idea of climate whiplash comes from.
- 18:22Wet years followed by dry years, floods followed by droughts, heat waves stacked on top of
- 18:28already warm conditions.
- 18:30ENSO is shifting the odds, but the stakes attached to those odds are also rising.
- 18:37And this is where a misconception needs clearing up, ENSO is not causing climate change.
- 18:43ENSO is not changing anything about greenhouse warming.
- 18:47It's not an excuse to dismiss long-term trends.
- 18:51A weak El Niño, or a strong La Niña, is not an excuse to say that humans are not affecting
- 18:58the climate.
- 19:00You can often hear people say, well, that's just an El Niño, or that's just a La Niña,
- 19:05because if it explains everything, it doesn't.
- 19:09ENSO explains the timing, climate change, explains the severity and the direction.
- 19:16ENSO tells us when and where extremes are likely.
- 19:20Climate change stacks the deck and determines how intense and extreme they can become once
- 19:26they happen.
- 19:27They're not competing explanations, they're layered on top of each other in sometimes
- 19:34complex ways.
- 19:35And that complexity is a concern, because a climate system that swings naturally becomes
- 19:42more dangerous when it's operating an overdrive.
- 19:46Not because anything here is new, but because the margins, or for recovery, are smaller.
- 19:52And that's the takeaway I hope you get here, ENSO isn't broken.
- 19:56It's not really changed that much.
- 19:58It's being stressed, and it's reacting to that stress.
- 20:10ENSO reminds us that the Earth isn't a collection of separate parts.
- 20:14It's a single interconnected system.
- 20:17Heat stored in the Pacific doesn't stay in the Pacific.
- 20:20It eventually reshapes winds, storms, ecosystems, and daily life far from the ocean.
- 20:28Understanding ENSO doesn't help us control the weather, but it does give us something
- 20:32just as important a context.
- 20:35It helps us to see the difference between short-term swings and long-term change between
- 20:41natural rhythms and the added strain of a warming world.
- 20:46As climate change raises the background temperature of our planet.
- 20:51Scientists are focused on the data.
- 20:54ENSO's natural heartbeat is growing louder, and learning to listen to it carefully is
- 21:00one of the best tools we have for preparing, rather than reacting.
- 21:05I'm Dr. Mac, and this has been the climate translation.
- 21:10If you have a question about the climate that you've been too afraid to ask, or if you
- 21:14have a differing opinion, please let me hear from you.
- 21:17I can use your viewpoints in future episodes.
- 21:20You can reach me at theclimatetranslation at gmail.com.
- 21:25I'll see you next time.