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- 0:00Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Profitful Christian Business.
- 0:04I am so pleased to have my guest Mike Richter with me today.
- 0:08Today's conversation is the one that a lot of men feel but very few talk about honestly.
- 0:14What happens when a man is winning a business but struggling at home?
- 0:17Respect falls off, connections feels distant, something just isn't working the way it should.
- 0:22My guest today, founder of the Heroes Forge, Air Force veteran, husband over 20 years, father of four, an accessible business owner, now helps
- 0:30Christian men step back into leadership in their homes.
- 0:33works with high performing men who have figured out how to lead teams, build companies, and drive results.
- 0:38But when it comes to their marriage, they feel stuck.
- 0:40And what he's seeing is something bigger than just individual relationships.
- 0:44It's a pattern, a growing disconnect between modern culture and biblical design for marriage and leadership.
- 0:49In this conversation, we talk about why so successful, excuse me, why so many successful men struggle with respect and connection at home, what biblical leadership in marriage
- 0:57actually looks like in real life.
- 0:59the mistakes men make when trying to fix things, and how to begin rebuilding trust, attraction, and alignment.
- 1:05This episode is honest, direct, and might challenge some assumptions.
- 1:08But if you're a Christian man, husband, or leader, it's an important conversation.
- 1:13Mike, welcome to Powerful Christian Business Podcast.
- 1:16Thanks for having me, Doug.
- 1:16Appreciate it.
- 1:18Well, I want to dive right in.
- 1:20I kind of want to, I mentioned in the intro there that you were in the Air Force.
- 1:24So you've built success in business.
- 1:26You served in the Air Force and you've raised a family.
- 1:28What season of life stretched you the most as a man and a leader?
- 1:32Well, I would say that life and death tends to help build a man from the ground up.
- 1:37So I would say that my time serving overseas in Iraq in 2009 was definitely a trial by fire kind of situation.
- 1:45I had learned how to lead like mentally through the logos, but I had not actually been where my feet were to the fire and lives were on the line.
- 1:56And there was a lot of rapid growth throughout the seven months that I served overseas.
- 2:03Nice.
- 2:03So what all did you do in the Air Force?
- 2:06So I primarily served as a Chinese linguist where I would go ahead and listen to uh communications and provide intents and warnings to uh national security uh personnel so
- 2:20that we could go ahead and maintain our sovereignty and our defensive posture.
- 2:25I also served as an intelligence analyst overseas and I served as an instructor at Goodfellow Air Force Base in San Angelo, Texas, where I went ahead and taught the next
- 2:35generation.
- 2:36of linguists and instructors how to do their job.
- 2:39And I ended my career in the Air Force as a first sergeant and then the squadron superintendent for the squadron that I was serving in.
- 2:46Nice, nice.
- 2:47So you know Chinese.
- 2:49That's a hard language.
- 2:52ah I don't know it, but I know it's a hard language to learn.
- 2:56One of the hardest languages.
- 2:57So that's awesome.
- 3:02So I kind of want to just go, just for fun, go down that rabbit hole just a minute.
- 3:07Did you learn that in the military?
- 3:09Did you learn Chinese in the military or did you learn it prior to going into the military?
- 3:12No, I was definitely paid by the military to go to school to learn Chinese.
- 3:16So there's this school that the, the military has called the defense language Institute in Monterey, California.
- 3:22And the Chinese course there was 63 weeks.
- 3:24So was about a year and a half worth of school.
- 3:27Five days a week, six hours a day, just grinding out the Chinese.
- 3:32Wow.
- 3:33Wow.
- 3:33I thought my two semesters of French in high school was a lot.
- 3:38Yeah, it's definitely a grueling process, but it's the military has learned over time how to help people acquire skills, knowledge, knowledge, abilities and talents.
- 3:48Nice.
- 3:49So you work with high performing men.
- 3:52Tell us something about successful men behind closed doors that most people wouldn't expect.
- 3:58Yeah, for the most part, successful men can realize objectives, they can set priorities, they can align resources at work to meet collective goals of an organization, and then
- 4:12come home and be utterly disrespected by the people within their home.
- 4:17And a lot of times it is a matter of there are two different rules that the game is played by and
- 4:26They're very attuned in one set of rules and not so attuned to the other set of rules.
- 4:31Nice, nice.
- 4:32So I imagine we're going to dive into those rules here in a minute.
- 4:36So how long have you been married?
- 4:37I've been married for 21 years.
- 4:39Very happily married.
- 4:41Nice.
- 4:43I hate to guess your age, so did you get married when you were in the military?
- 4:47I got married prior to joining the military.
- 4:49I was married at 20 and my wife was 20 at the same time and then a week and a half later she turned 21.
- 4:55Nice, nice, so that's a long successful marriage.
- 4:58I myself, think we're on 16 or 17 years.
- 5:01uh So yeah, it is, it is.
- 5:06So what's the thing about marriage that most people underestimate early on?
- 5:12I would say that in my own life and in the lives of many men that I speak with, the ability to stay emotionally centered and controlled throughout the storms of life is a big
- 5:25challenge early on in marriage that men a lot of times don't develop proper coping mechanisms to stay grounded during the storms of various arguments and conflicts with
- 5:36their wife.
- 5:37And a lot of times they just lay down their arms.
- 5:39And as a result,
- 5:41they lose the respect of their wife.
- 5:45Nice, yeah, yeah, can definitely see that.
- 5:48We do something called the Fill in the Blank Question on every Profile Christian Business Podcast.
- 5:52oh So your Fill in the Blank Question is, the biggest mistake married Christian men make today is blank.
- 5:59I would say failing to establish and maintain healthy boundaries.
- 6:04A lot of times this comes as a result of a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of servant leadership that is often preached in the church without a whole lot of context.
- 6:15And I find that men misunderstand what that term means because they believe that they should just lead by continuing to serve and emptying themselves time and time again.
- 6:26And I helped to...
- 6:27to get men to reframe their thinking on that and to recognize that they are serving through their leadership.
- 6:36Yeah, think I heard I'm not sure exactly where I heard it before, but uh it's a big deal to lead and like a lot of like to lead correctly.
- 6:47A lot of people like a lot.
- 6:48It's held up at this posture, but it's a difficult thing to lead well.
- 6:52Right.
- 6:53And people say they want to lead, but they have to understand what that really looks like.
- 7:00Right.
- 7:01Sure, they have no idea what it looks like because a lot of people are growing up in single parent households where they don't get to see what a good marriage looks like.
- 7:11Yeah, yeah.
- 7:13Where do you think the disconnect is when someone is strong in business but uh the leadership falls apart at home?
- 7:21I think most of the time what ends up happening is the man falls for this modern common wisdom called happy wife, happy life.
- 7:31And so they lose themselves and their preferences and their ability to lead because they subjugate all of their preferences to the preferences of their wife.
- 7:40And so because they give up everything, they give up all their sovereignty, they have no room to stand up.
- 7:48and express preferences and to set boundaries and direction in life with their wife and with their children because they've given everything up into the altar of their wife.
- 7:59And so I think in a lot of ways, it's a misguided form of like wife worship that causes problems for husbands, generally speaking.
- 8:07Yeah, I know we're both men on this podcast, so we'll do our best to speak.
- 8:13Can you talk from the other perspective, maybe in the conversations with your wife, is there a lot of, they want to be led, but they don't feel like they're being led from uh
- 8:26men that fail in that area?
- 8:28So think it's interesting because this reminds me of the phenomenon called henpecking.
- 8:33You may be familiar with this idea where a lot of times women feel like the man is not doing something according to their vision of what right should look like.
- 8:43And so rather than actively communicating clearly where the disconnect is in terms of her expectations versus what she sees, she ends up subtly ah nagging and picking at
- 8:57the various things that the man does or doesn't do.
- 8:59And a lot of guys fall for this and they end up giving up their authority and they just want to please their wife at the exclusion of anything else.
- 9:10So for example, one of the common complaints is something like chores around the house or cutting the lawn, right?
- 9:17Will another day of the lawn being long really break the marriage?
- 9:22It won't.
- 9:22If we're being really honest,
- 9:24That's generally not what marriages end over.
- 9:27Now, something that a man could do is to say, babe, I've had a long day at work.
- 9:34I've been tackling a bunch of challenges.
- 9:36That's not on my priority list for today.
- 9:39I'll get it done by this such and such time and date.
- 9:43And many men are not doing that.
- 9:45They're not clearly articulating a vision for how you can get to yes.
- 9:51And so as a result, a lot of women are trying to lead their men by nagging them to do something, not realizing that when the man succumbs to that nagging, the man becomes less
- 10:02and less the man that she is in love with.
- 10:06Yeah.
- 10:08Do you believe it's just a, when it gets uh to be a lot, do you feel like there's just conflict avoidance?
- 10:17I think that that's a lot of what causes men to succumb to henpecking, generally speaking, is over time, they would rather just comply with their wife's demands rather than standing
- 10:29up for where they see the relationship going and where their direction is in terms of the marriage as a whole.
- 10:39So let's talk about biblical leadership.
- 10:41Let's tie this back into the Bible.
- 10:43ah What does that look like practically, not just theory, but what should it look like on a day-to-day basis?
- 10:50think that for the most part, it's important for husbands to recognize that most women would prioritize the context of a situation over the content of a situation.
- 11:03And a lot of times, men will try to be very direct in their communication because we are problem solvers by our very nature.
- 11:12We strive with the environment around us and we handle things directly.
- 11:17However,
- 11:18We often fail to recognize that when living with our wives and taking good care of them, we need to recognize that the context of the situation is often more important first.
- 11:32So establishing connection with our wife is the most important thing from their perspective before we can open the door to correction or providing direction or guidance.
- 11:44Yeah, that's good.
- 11:46oh I'm sure there might be a lot of men listening to this right now that feel like they're like, ah like they're like, like it's too late, right?
- 11:58Like.
- 11:59their marriage, like they've been in this cycle for so long and they just don't know what to do.
- 12:04So if a man is, you know, like he's lost respect or connection in his marriage, do you have a next step for him?
- 12:11What he should do, like the very next thing to kind of start turning that around.
- 12:15Yeah, I would say that almost every time the first step is to look at himself first.
- 12:22is a matter of if you intend to lead others, it's important that you lead yourself first.
- 12:28And I would say that you want to look at how you're showing up in the relationship and how you show up to the world around you.
- 12:36So whether it is getting your mind right, getting your spirit right, getting your body right.
- 12:42These are things that I would recommend to men first, because if you make subtle changes in these categories, you don't have to announce any of it.
- 12:52Your wife is keen to notice changes in the environment around her because she is a context-based creature primarily.
- 13:02So when you're making these changes, she's going to notice.
- 13:05You don't have to tell her.
- 13:07Like the fact that you're going to the gym,
- 13:10on a daily basis or a couple of times a week, you don't tell her it, you just go dressed properly to go to the gym.
- 13:17You get up a little bit early and she will pay attention to those actions and she will notice the results of those actions.
- 13:25That is the first place that I go ahead and take men through is an honest self assessment of where they are in the relationship and where they may or may not have taken on the full
- 13:35breadth of responsibility in their relationship.
- 13:39Yeah, what I hear you saying and I think what a lot of men get stuck in is how do I change her without looking at first at themselves?
- 13:47How do I change myself in order to strengthen the relationship, right?
- 13:52Yeah, it's interesting because I think that as humans, we often are selfish in our nature.
- 13:59And one thing as Christian husbands that we need to do is recognize that Jesus is our example and selfishness is not something that I would use to characterize Jesus.
- 14:10Now, at the same time, I think a lot of men are overly focused on Jesus being the lamb of God.
- 14:18And they leave out the rest of the context of who Jesus is.
- 14:21Jesus is also
- 14:22the lion of Judah.
- 14:24He is both the lion and the lamb, and far too often from the pulpit, Jesus as lamb of God is taught primarily and leaving everything aside.
- 14:35Yeah, yeah, so good.
- 14:37So your message challenges a lot of the modern cultural narratives, kind of like what you just brought up.
- 14:43How has your face shaped your convictions about marriage and leadership?
- 14:48So as I developed in my faith, I started out in a uh moderate congregation in a lot of ways.
- 14:55And it wasn't until I took a lot of time to really dig deep into scripture that I started seeing patterns that were different in scripture than they were in a modern culture.
- 15:06I'll give you a good example.
- 15:08Egalitarianism is something that runs pretty rampant in the modern church.
- 15:11But if I go ahead and look at the household codes in Colossians 3,
- 15:171 Peter 3 and Ephesians 5, I see that there is a clear guideline and delineation for leadership in the family.
- 15:27Husbands are to lead their wives, wives are to submit to their husbands, children are to submit to their parents, employees are to submit to their employers.
- 15:36This is clear unit directional, uncontested directionality provided by God.
- 15:44So the divine order is something that has gone
- 15:47uh amiss in the modern church in so many ways.
- 15:51So our leadership capacity is not a matter of, hey, who is the better leader?
- 15:57It is a matter of divine ordinance.
- 15:59God had appointed us as head of the household, subject to Christ.
- 16:05And that's the important part is we are to be subject to Christ as our wives are to be subject to us.
- 16:12Yeah, I'm glad you brought that last piece home because first of all, as men, we need to submit to the Lord, right?
- 16:18Not just as our savior, but as our Lord.
- 16:22And then it kind of goes from there.
- 16:25become like, if you are submitting to the Lord and following what he says, then you are going to be a better leader at home.
- 16:32you say that?
- 16:34Oh, absolutely.
- 16:35And just to go ahead and take in all of what Christ provided to us is the thing, is to be a consolidated man that can lead in various circumstances.
- 16:44Because Christ didn't treat every circumstance the same.
- 16:47There are elements of time where he would go ahead and extend grace where the humble was there, and he would go ahead and chastise the proud.
- 16:54And it's very important for us to recognize that even in the book of Revelation, Jesus does provide substantial correction to five of the churches.
- 17:04in the book of Revelation.
- 17:07Let's talk about grace for a minute because I think this might be especially good for any young men that are newly married listening to this, that you're not a great leader right
- 17:18away.
- 17:19There's a growth process, right?
- 17:21So uh I think there needs to be an understanding of both parties in that situation that that man is still growing as a leader.
- 17:29Yet that hierarchy still exists even though that man is still growing as a leader.
- 17:34Can you talk, kind of give some insights into that?
- 17:37Yeah, absolutely.
- 17:38So in 1 Peter 3, scripture says that even if the husband is an unbeliever, the wife is to submit to the husband.
- 17:48So that gives you like the scriptural basis for this concept that you just brought up is that a lot of men often take 10 or more years to develop the qualities and the traits and
- 18:01the leadership ability to truly be
- 18:04men that are worthy to be reckoned with and to lead in at the city gates and in the congregation and especially at home.
- 18:14And these things do take time.
- 18:15And the trick is for the wives, I think so many women are not understanding of how much power their submission provides to themselves and to their husbands.
- 18:30So I'll give you an example from my own marriage.
- 18:32So
- 18:33When my wife was first learning to submit, she would go ahead and have times where she would buck against my directions to her.
- 18:42And then I would firmly hold to where I was at.
- 18:45I would speak with her lovingly and embrace her, but I would still disagree with what her position was because it wasn't the right direction for the family.
- 18:55And she found that over time, if she were to just surrender,
- 19:02after providing her input, because it's my responsibility to listen to her input and go ahead and bring it along with everything else I have to consider and still make the call.
- 19:12When she found that she would surrender her will in this circumstance, that I would treat her much better.
- 19:21I would be compelled to lead her with more gentleness and care because she has submitted to me.
- 19:28And this is like,
- 19:29a superpower that women have that they're not aware of.
- 19:33That us as men, generally want to protect and provide and love our wives in a deep way.
- 19:40And when they're on the same sheet of music as us, it is so much easier for us to love them all the deeper.
- 19:48I think that leads greatly into my next question.
- 19:51So what causes a wife to lose respect for her husband?
- 19:57I find that often it has to do with whether or not the husband maintains proper boundaries and sets the direction for the family.
- 20:06So the way that I look at things is oftentimes women are like water and men are like the container that you put the water into.
- 20:15So if your container, if you have an open top, the water could just spill out and go all over the place.
- 20:21But as a man, if you go ahead and provide a
- 20:24a solid container for the water.
- 20:27She is protected and she has an element of freedom all throughout where the container is.
- 20:32And she should have a little bit of extra room so that she can explore the area that the husband provides to her.
- 20:40And the thing is, doesn't, it shouldn't be porous.
- 20:43Like you should actually be able to trust that the water will be held in by the container.
- 20:49But at the same time, it shouldn't be so firm that it breaks at any
- 20:53testing of the material.
- 20:57Let me ask you this, and this might be the hot button moment.
- 21:00What about the woman oh that says, that is limiting my freedom?
- 21:07That's interesting because as Christians, our freedom is inherently limited by Christ's Lordship to begin with.
- 21:14So if a woman is a Christian woman and she is concerned about her freedom, my concern as a Christian man would be freedom to do what?
- 21:25Yeah, yeah, I guess that's a very good point.
- 21:28Yeah, yeah.
- 21:29If the husband is providing good spiritually sound and biblically sound boundaries to his wife,
- 21:40The alternative is she's looking for an avenue to do something that is outside of the will of God, usually.
- 21:47It is usually some form of rebellion and some form of disrespect.
- 21:53Yeah, that's good.
- 21:54That might be a rewind.
- 21:55We have rewind moments.
- 21:56uh I call them here on the Prophet Christian Business Podcast.
- 21:59And that might be one of those where I say go and rewind and listen to that because I think that's a very, very solid point.
- 22:07So.
- 22:08two elements to that, right?
- 22:09There's the proper boundaries that are biblically based and have rationale, and primarily these boundaries are to protect the relationship.
- 22:19And the other element is, well, if she's seeking freedom from that, she's seeking freedom for another purpose.
- 22:27So what is the biggest lie men believe about fixing their marriage?
- 22:32Oh, the biggest lie that is ubiquitous throughout our culture is if you just serve her more, things will get better.
- 22:39If you just do more chores, things will get better.
- 22:43No, chores are just the thing that she says because she doesn't know what will actually make things better for her.
- 22:50Yeah, there was a...
- 22:52Go ahead.
- 22:53in, in context rather with content, all they're doing is they feel something and they're trying to figure out what kind of things would cause that feeling rather than addressing
- 23:05the core problem as a whole.
- 23:08Whereas oftentimes it is not a matter of doing the thing, but oftentimes it's just a matter of men taking a look at the systems that are in place in their home.
- 23:19and see where their merry be something that's off.
- 23:22So a big thing that people bring up is getting ready for school and how stressful it is to get out the door.
- 23:32And oftentimes that's a result of poor systematic orchestration throughout the day.
- 23:40And I don't encourage the husband to step in and take over all of that.
- 23:47might want to do that for a little bit to go ahead and see what things are working, what things aren't working, and to find a systematic solution for the problems that are coming
- 23:58up time and time again.
- 23:59And then once you have a system in place and you have battle tested it through a few weeks of this process, then you can handle it or you can hand it back to the appropriate
- 24:11responsibility holder.
- 24:14Because let's be honest, as men, have other things that we need to concern ourselves with.
- 24:20Yeah, yeah, that's good.
- 24:24So what does masculine leadership look like in the whole?
- 24:30So masculine leadership is a matter of being willing to take risks and to stand firm on truth.
- 24:41there are, generally speaking, virtues and vices are universal between men and women in the Christian faith.
- 24:50But I find that there is one specific virtue that is more attuned to men and one specific virtue that is more attuned to women.
- 25:00So in the man's case, the virtue that is most keenly associated with masculinity is valor.
- 25:09The opposite of valor is cowardice.
- 25:14And the reason why that's so important, it's masculine coded because if a society was established and all the men were cowards, the society would degenerate and be destroyed
- 25:27very quickly.
- 25:29Yeah, that brings me...
- 25:31No, go ahead.
- 25:32I'm sorry.
- 25:33I'm just coming up with other questions I want to follow up with.
- 25:35Go ahead.
- 25:36On the woman's side, the most keenly associated virtue associated with women is chastity, and the opposite of which is promiscuity.
- 25:46Now, don't get me wrong, chastity is important for both men and women, but if you look at a society-wide implementation of promiscuity on the part of women,
- 25:56Also, you would see the society degenerate and be destroyed.
- 26:02Yeah, so let's talk about, you brought up risk taking in there, that men are more prone to take risks and I believe that's counter to what women feel like they need is that safety
- 26:15and protection, right?
- 26:17Which risk sometimes puts risk to that.
- 26:22So can you kind of give your insights around that kind of conflict?
- 26:26Sure.
- 26:26I think that for the most part, women have an inherent need for safety and security.
- 26:32Back in times past, they lived in villages and they were incentivized to be a part of the whole because without the protection of the tribe, they would be out in the outer darkness
- 26:45and they would not be able to survive.
- 26:49So we see that take place in a number of facets.
- 26:53Generally speaking, the realm of physicality is outside of the realm of women's control.
- 26:58And the way that women tend to escalate conflict is not through physical means.
- 27:03It is through social means, through reputation destruction, guilt, insults, all of these kinds of things.
- 27:11Whereas with men, if we go ahead and talk to each other sideways, we might come to blows.
- 27:17And that's something that helps introduce civility and respect between men.
- 27:23Now, going back to the risk-taking thing, because the element of the physical is not available to women, generally speaking, men went out and did the hunting and brought back
- 27:33the game.
- 27:35And it was their individual efforts when added to the teammates that they went hunting with that led to their value to the society they were in.
- 27:46And men had to take risks in order for that to be accomplished.
- 27:51And men's
- 27:52ability to kill and eat and lead and do all of these things were independent of their social status, but led to their social status.
- 28:02So their ability to take risks and see success out in the world was key and instrumental in developing themselves as a man and setting themselves in the hierarchy.
- 28:15I'm sure a lot of men are going be interested in this next question.
- 28:20How can a man, if they feel like they've lost the attraction of their spouse and the connection of their spouse, how can they rebuild that?
- 28:29I think that oftentimes attraction comes with respect.
- 28:34And most of the time they have lost the respect of their wife first before the attractiveness has gone away.
- 28:43Now.
- 28:47In Ephesians 5, there is a passage that talks about how men are to love their wife and women are to respect their husband.
- 28:58That comes at the end of Ephesians 5.
- 28:59And in a lot of ways, that's a modern mistranslation of the word that's actually in the Greek there.
- 29:05The word that's actually in the Greek as far as a woman's command to her relationship to her husband, the word is phobos, which means reverent fear as unto the Lord.
- 29:16So wives are to revere their husbands as a matter of divine command, but men need to be worthy of that respect independently.
- 29:26They're both independently true at the same time.
- 29:30Yes, women have a divine command and they're still responsible for it, but from a practical standpoint, it's incredibly important for a man to be worthy of that respect.
- 29:41Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's why uh a lot of marriages fall apart is because, again, I think we go back to what you said at the very beginning, we as men need to look in the
- 29:51mirror and do the things that make us more worthy of that respect.
- 29:56Yes, absolutely.
- 29:57And it's interesting.
- 29:58So something that will maybe go ahead and perk people's ears up a little bit and may seem a little bit counterintuitive, but it is often that women are attracted to men that have
- 30:10other women that are attracted to them.
- 30:12This is not right, wrong or indifferent.
- 30:14It just happens to be that as men climb different hierarchies, whether it's the business hierarchy, whether it is the social hierarchy, whether it is a hierarchy of competence, it
- 30:23serves as a filter
- 30:26for women to see attractive men because they typically find guys that are up in the hierarchy as targets to be looked at with respect.
- 30:38And it turns out that those same men are attractive to many women at the same time.
- 30:43And so I'm not saying that it is important for men to seek that out.
- 30:47Absolutely not.
- 30:48But what I'm saying is that if you do not attract any attention from other women, if women aren't looking at you,
- 30:56It's very obvious for your wife sometimes to go, well, if they're not looking at him, why am I looking at him like this?
- 31:01And they convince themselves out of attraction to their husband.
- 31:06Yeah, wow, that's good.
- 31:07So, um what are the early warning signs of marriage might be quietly drifting?
- 31:15would say this is the start of contempt.
- 31:19I think is the biggest thing is anytime you see contemptuous mannerisms or disrespectful language, those would be the early warning signs that I would look at.
- 31:31When a woman is starting to try to henpeck her husband, that's where I would say is the best time to reestablish boundaries and to show her that you love her.
- 31:44by leading her well, and let her know what you will and will not accept from her.
- 31:51Nice.
- 31:52So why do many men avoid stepping into leadership at home?
- 31:58think that many men are ill-equipped.
- 32:01They're not taught how to properly lead at home.
- 32:04We go ahead and often read these scripture verses that say, yeah, men, be men, men, go ahead and lead.
- 32:11In the context that St.
- 32:12Paul was writing these letters, they had a different conception of what it meant to be a man than we do in the modern age.
- 32:21And it's interesting that because of
- 32:27rampant absence of fathers in homes, we see this time and time again where men are not properly instructed how to be men by men.
- 32:37Because I am convinced that based on 60 years of history right now in terms of what tender years doctrine in divorce courts have yielded, that men are not well crafted in a single
- 32:53mother household.
- 32:55We see
- 32:56ridiculous levels of crime and criminality of various kinds coming from single parent households.
- 33:02And for the most part, it's single mother households.
- 33:04We don't see these kinds of criminality coming out of single father households.
- 33:09Right, wrong, or indifferent, it is just that's the result that we see from this de-partnering of husbands and fathers from their children.
- 33:21Yeah, I hear the term absentee father, but I believe it's not just the lack of the physical presence of a father there, but there are some fathers that are physically
- 33:30present, but not leadership present, right?
- 33:34And that can still cause the same thing.
- 33:39Yeah, and I think a lot of that has to do with a lack of proper examples and oh a lack of a fully consolidated vision of what it means to be a man, a husband, and a father.
- 33:53And I think that oftentimes we are just preached a surface level uh manhood and a surface level connection with our children and our wives from the pulpit.
- 34:02And it really requires substantial digging into the word to get those key principles.
- 34:07out of the word to be applied in our everyday life.
- 34:11Yeah, that's so good.
- 34:13So we talked about earlier on, like what a man should start to do right away to kind of build the marriage back up.
- 34:22What's one thing they should stop doing?
- 34:26I think one thing that they should stop doing right now is asking for intimacy directly.
- 34:31They should stop asking for it.
- 34:34If a man has not been getting intimacy from his wife on a basis that is good for him and good for her at the same time, actually being overt about asking for it and making a
- 34:45request will never get the results that men truly want out of that question.
- 34:53Wow.
- 34:53only causes a wife to retreat into her shell more because we know that in first Corinthians that both the husband and a wife have responsibilities to one another in terms
- 35:07of the marital debt and the marital duty to one another.
- 35:10And women don't want to be reminded of that if they aren't feeling it from within.
- 35:17And so oftentimes they will go ahead and retreat as a natural reaction.
- 35:22to that internal conflict that they should be feeling that they should do the thing, but they don't want to do the thing because the emotionality behind it isn't there.
- 35:31And so all asking the question directly does is cause her to retreat.
- 35:36And even if she does comply with the request, it will not be what we want as men.
- 35:42It will be a shadow of what we really desire.
- 35:45So practically speaking, what's the alternative?
- 35:48What's the thing can, as men, can do instead?
- 35:53The first and foremost is a matter of being respectable.
- 35:57Respect is the first thing that you can do as a man to restore all of this.
- 36:02Because unless you are respectable, unless there is things about you that she will truly love, honor, and respect and be able to have that reverence for, she will not feel the
- 36:17things that she needs to feel to give herself completely and to surrender herself to her husband.
- 36:23Yeah, that's good.
- 36:24think back to, I'm not even sure there's any commercials like this around anymore, but there used to be like cologne commercials and, and really men geared commercials that like
- 36:34really said, you know, dive into your masculinity and become the man that she longs for.
- 36:40Right.
- 36:41don't, I don't think, I know the TV shows aren't there out there anymore, but there used to be commercials that kind of portrayed that type of masculinity.
- 36:49So.
- 36:50Yeah, it's interesting because we see that women generally make about 80 % of consumer purchasing decisions in the household.
- 36:57So we see that commercials, generally speaking, are aimed toward women and not toward men.
- 37:02So back when men were making more of the decision making in terms of the spending, you would see men getting advertised to more often.
- 37:11But because that isn't the case any longer, we see that those coded messages going away.
- 37:16And in fact, if you look at TV,
- 37:19It is relatively rare to see a solid, strong husband and leader of his family.
- 37:25The most common archetypes are either he's abusive or he's incompetent.
- 37:32And both of those serve to reinforce cultural programming for women that men are not to be trusted.
- 37:40And if you can't trust a man, you can't submit yourself to him.
- 37:45Yeah, yeah, that's so true of today's media.
- 37:49We have, I feel like you may have answered this already, but we'll kind of revisit it if you did.
- 37:53Our secret question is, what is the secret to rekindling passion and rebuilding respect in the home?
- 37:59Alright, so here's the rewind version.
- 38:02It's not gonna be politically correct, but I'm gonna say it anyway because I think it bears really powerful and evocative language.
- 38:11It's important for a man to be the kind of man that other men want to be and other women want to bed.
- 38:21That's the hard truth of it.
- 38:23Yeah, so work on yourself as a man to be that man, right?
- 38:28And then, yeah.
- 38:33So you can't be passive, you have to be intentional.
- 38:36Absolutely.
- 38:37Every bit of leadership and direction starts from the man.
- 38:41And it should start from the man because otherwise you're running counter to the divine order.
- 38:49Nice.
- 38:49Well, I have one last, well, this is the second to last closing question for you.
- 38:54ah If a man is listening right now and feels things are off at home, but he doesn't know where to start, I think you mentioned this before, but can you give him the first step
- 39:04that he can take?
- 39:04What's the first step this week that he can be intentional about?
- 39:09I would say that the absolute first step that you can do is take a step back and observe the dynamics in play around you.
- 39:19See what's going on.
- 39:21Does your wife speak with you with a rude tone of voice?
- 39:25Does she address you with disrespect and contempt?
- 39:29Right?
- 39:30Take uh a minute to go ahead and look at or feel the temperature of the room around you.
- 39:37and then start coming up with a plan of action.
- 39:41Because a lot of times people will fail to correctly assess the world around them and then take actions that will eventually cause harm rather than good.
- 39:51That's kind where I was going to go uh from this is like, what is the proper reaction to stepping back and taking that overall big picture and seeing uh the chaos for lack of a
- 40:02better word, to see the issues?
- 40:04uh Because I feel like some men will hear that and take the wrong approach to the fix.
- 40:09Right.
- 40:10I think that the biggest thing that men can really do is to honestly assess themselves and assess how the world around them treats them.
- 40:21Because if you fail to assess not only your family, chances are you're failing to make assessments in other areas of life that you often may be blind to.
- 40:31And I find that this is probably one of the most valuable things that a brotherhood of men can do for one another.
- 40:38is to be willing to have iron sharpened iron and to adjust their crowns and let them know, hey, here's where you're off base and to be honest with them and provide them genuine
- 40:49feedback.
- 40:51And I think that genuine masculine friendships are such a huge missing piece of the culture today.
- 40:59Yeah, I love that you said that because we do, I have a Friday men's Bible study that I run.
- 41:06It's called Man Battles.
- 41:08The different things that we tend to deal with as men.
- 41:11oh And it is truly an iron sharpening, iron community.
- 41:15uh Great group of guys on that call.
- 41:18So I am 100 % in agreement with you.
- 41:20The more strongly, godly men that you can get in your circle, uh the better.
- 41:27Yeah, absolutely.
- 41:28And I mean, the modern church really needs strong men right now.
- 41:32In a lot of ways, the strong men of 10 and 20 years ago have been dragged out of the church in a lot of ways.
- 41:39And the seminaries have been teaching some things that haven't been great for families.
- 41:46One example that I don't know if you know of Dr.
- 41:48Edgington and his work.
- 41:50uh So his name is Dr.
- 41:52David Edgington.
- 41:53One of his most recent books is uh
- 41:56White Nights and Reviling Wives.
- 41:58And the book is about the different seminaries and how they teach the Duluth model of...
- 42:05uh
- 42:09of counseling.
- 42:11And so the Duluth model has as its primary focus that men are always the abusers of a relationship.
- 42:19And so when you go by default and you believe that the man is always in the wrong, you can come to conclusions that don't necessarily reflect truth.
- 42:29Mm-hmm.
- 42:30Yeah.
- 42:31and if we have all these seminaries across the United States that are teaching this model as the model for biblical counseling, we can see why the divorce rate in the church has
- 42:41been as high as it is.
- 42:44And you would think that it should not be that way.
- 42:47But when men are being driven out and told, instead of being true leaders there to go ahead and be subservient to their wives and put their wives on a pedestal, you end up with
- 42:57so many dynamics that intentionally cause
- 43:00the weakening of men and the disrespect of men across the culture.
- 43:06Yeah, not just on this aspect, but unfortunately you can see the cracks in the armor of a lot of churches where the worldly influences has come into play.
- 43:15oh And it's less scripture and more what the world says.
- 43:21Right, and it's about how we feel about what the scripture says, not what it actually says.
- 43:26Yeah, yeah, so good.
- 43:28So this has been great.
- 43:30I feel like any man that's been listening to this that is married or about to get married or considering marriage, this is going to be so, valuable of a podcast for them to listen
- 43:42to.
- 43:42I hate to leave anything left unsaid, so I do this at the end of every podcast.
- 43:48Do you have any parting words of wisdom for our audience?
- 43:52Yeah, I've got two.
- 43:53One, if you're a man and you don't have a strong brotherhood of men, I would encourage you today to step out in faith and find brothers to be shield to shield with and fight against
- 44:07the dangers that are going on in this world.
- 44:09Because a lot of the troubles that we see in this world are not things that can be accomplished by one man.
- 44:16Life is a team sport, much like Christianity is.
- 44:19And it is through teamwork.
- 44:21that we will accomplish the best things that need to happen today.
- 44:25Secondly, if you're having problems in your relationship, look to yourself first before anything else.
- 44:32Because when you are the kind of man that others will respect and other women are attracted to, your wife usually will get in line just by the external messaging that is
- 44:43shown to her.
- 44:44Oftentimes you don't have to directly address it until she's taken a step toward you first.
- 44:49So please, as men,
- 44:50Take on your cross, take on your responsibilities, and do what needs to be done.
- 44:56A lot of times, the best things in life are dressed up in overalls and are called work.
- 45:01Mm.
- 45:03So true, so true.
- 45:05uh I imagine you have a way that you can help men further.
- 45:11where can we direct any man that would like some help getting their marriage stronger?
- 45:18Yeah, absolutely.
- 45:18So I have a YouTube channel.
- 45:19I've got the heroes forge is the YouTube channel.
- 45:22And then as well, I have a program for, for men that are looking to improve their marriage.
- 45:27Primarily I coach people on other things, but really where I find that my heart is drawn to is to help men form stronger marriages, because I feel that stronger marriages lead to
- 45:39stronger societies.
- 45:40And we need that right now more than anything else.
- 45:43And you can find those things in the description below.
- 45:46Nice.
- 45:47uh I really appreciate your honesty and clarity.
- 45:49Today, Mike, I think one of the biggest takeaways here is leadership doesn't turn off when you leave work.
- 45:54And for a lot of men, the place where leadership matters most is the place they've been avoiding or unsure how to step into.
- 46:00If something feels off at home, it's not always about working harder or saying the right things.
- 46:03It's about stepping back into clarity, responsibility, and alignment with how God designed marriage to function.
- 46:10Starts with one decision.
- 46:11Don't overcomplicate it.
- 46:13Take one step this week.
- 46:14Have one honest conversation.
- 46:15Make one intentional shift.
- 46:17Start leading where it matters most.
- 46:19And if you want to go deeper into what Mike is doing with band of rebuild respect, connection, leadership in the home, you connect with him at MikeRichterCoach.com slash
- 46:28program.
- 46:28Again, that link will be below and check out his content, the heroes forge across social platforms.
- 46:33think he mentioned it was also on YouTube.
- 46:35Mike, thank you so much for being here and until next time everyone keep moving forward.
- 46:42Thanks for having me, Doug.
- 46:43Appreciate it.