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ITB: 53-Man Roster Projection, Defense: Is There Room For A Developmental Prospect? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, everybody, It's Jeff Mosher, It's Adam Kaplan.
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  Speaker 1: This is part two of our two part fifty three
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  Speaker 1: man roster projection series going on.
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  Speaker 2: In part one, we.
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  Speaker 1: Did offense, and Adam and I saw almost everything the
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: same way as we did our offensive roster projection. Now
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: we do defense, and we're already bound by certain rules
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: because you know, on offense, Adam, you kept twenty seven guys.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: I kept twenty six guys, So technically I could probably
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  Speaker 1: go one deeper at a certain spot on defense, and
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  Speaker 1: you maybe two if I don't decide to roster a
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  Speaker 1: long snapper, which the eules might not do for the
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  Speaker 1: first three weeks and elevate. But so there's some strategic
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  Speaker 1: you know, planning and plotting here. But we're what we're
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  Speaker 1: really aiming to do, as we did in the first part,
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  Speaker 1: is also just go through the names, the competitions, what
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  Speaker 1: it's going to look like, and the very very difficult
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  Speaker 1: decisions that will be ahead for the coaching staff in
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  Speaker 1: the front office, especially on defense at them because.
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  Speaker 2: There are it's a really good young defense for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of bodies.
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  Speaker 3: Man, I mean, there's some good undrafted free agents, Deontay Lawson,
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  Speaker 3: who's very, very talent, undersized linebacker, chunch of weight, not length,
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  Speaker 3: but weight, not that he's going to make up. But
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  Speaker 3: Zion Wilson and who they signed recently out of East
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  Speaker 3: Carolina's an intriguing player. And we'll get to the others.
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  Speaker 3: But where I really struggled with this was was in
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  Speaker 3: the secondary.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Edge a little bit. Do you keep a fifth? Yep,
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  Speaker 3: that's the challenge, But the secondary was that that was
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  Speaker 3: where I had a bunch of iterations of it. Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Then I said, you know what, you can't keep everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Just make a decision, right.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, all right, So why don't we Well, so you
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  Speaker 1: said secondary is your toughest decision. Yep, I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 1: I thought secondary, but I also thought linebacker for special
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  Speaker 1: teams purposes like O line by edge, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: there were some tough decisions in there, I think, and
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  Speaker 1: we're operating, but I think both of us are operating
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  Speaker 1: under the assumption Brandon Graham is not going to come back,
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  Speaker 1: which when I tried to do this in a room
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  Speaker 1: I had to do this a couple of months ago.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was definitive.
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  Speaker 1: I just had a feeling he was gonna want to
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  Speaker 1: come back, and that made it really difficult.
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  Speaker 2: At least without him coming back, it makes it somewhat.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they could, they could call the bat signal
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  Speaker 3: if they suffer, if they suffer a bunch of injuries
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  Speaker 3: at edge, he's he's he's always available, you know, even
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  Speaker 3: if he's close to retirement. I mean, if he would you,
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  Speaker 3: I don't see him turning him down. But the bottom
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  Speaker 3: line is they actually have very good depth at edge.
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  Speaker 3: M hmm. One issue that you have, and this is
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  Speaker 3: what makes it tough to do do it this early
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  Speaker 3: mm hmmm, because you know that safety is a real quagmire.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's a real problem, right, And you don't want
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  Speaker 3: to just keep guys because they're because they don't have
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  Speaker 3: enough players. Want them to earn it, obviously, Yeah, but
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  Speaker 3: it's it's the way front offices go here. They they
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  Speaker 3: want to keep the drafted players, but they also have
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  Speaker 3: to if you're a six or seventh round pick, you
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  Speaker 3: got to show something. You know, you're not guarantee anything.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I agree, one hundred all right, uh So why
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  Speaker 1: don't we start off in the defensive front? We'll go
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  Speaker 1: to interior defensive line. How many DT's did you wind
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  Speaker 1: up keeping before?
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  Speaker 3: This was easy, this, I didn't even have to think
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  Speaker 3: about it. Carter Davis Young mm hmm. And rob and
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  Speaker 3: oh no, excuse me, Joe, I'm sorry, my bad, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Five Carter Davis, Yeah, yeah, I forgot. Jomo is a
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  Speaker 3: d tackle? Uh huh Carter Davis or Jomo it's five.
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  Speaker 3: Carter Davis or Jomo Young? And Robinson?
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  Speaker 2: That's fine, got it? And I did the same. And
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  Speaker 2: the only one that might not would be Young if
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  Speaker 2: they really want to Oh no, no, no, it would be Robinson.
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  Speaker 2: That would happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah no, if something if if if Robinson, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: see I I'm like a lot of scouts I talked
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  Speaker 3: to before the draft last year. Everybody loved Ty Robinson.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone did.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: And I know he's a rookie. He's a fourth round pick.
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  Speaker 3: There's reason why he wasn't drafted higher. He hit some flaws,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, wrang in some areas I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: see more. So he's not a guarantee he's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: on it, But for now I've got five.
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  Speaker 2: He was a fourth round pick.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, fourth round practice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not cutting you know that that?
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  Speaker 3: What's that?
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  Speaker 2: I can't they're not cutting him? Yeah, Fourth is a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Fifth, yes, because they cut the quarterback in twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 3: Who you got it exactly? Who refused to sign a
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  Speaker 3: practice for a contract. Doug Seed new Miff Peterson anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he was terrible, even Ty Robinson.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't play much last year. But it's not like
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  Speaker 2: we were like, oh man, this guy's terrible, or yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure scrimmage.
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  Speaker 3: He just.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so we both are keeping five defensive tackles,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, do you think there's.
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  Speaker 2: Any avenue for a buyer? Not a buy right now?
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  Speaker 2: Gabe Dave, I guess Gave Davis.
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  Speaker 1: Is gonna thank you, Davis, Gave Hale.
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  Speaker 2: Is there anybody else do you think I can push
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  Speaker 2: in that area?
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  Speaker 3: See? Gabe Hale to me is again like like you said,
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  Speaker 3: he's he's a guy you should easily get to the
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  Speaker 3: practice squad. You gotta cut him. He's got to go
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  Speaker 3: through waivers. He's not vested, right, I mean, well, I.
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  Speaker 1: Guess all right, so we need to answer the Bernard question.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't count against the roster they used to.
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  Speaker 2: He'll be on it, but he won't be on again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't kill he will not count against it.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, So technically they'll keep one, two, three, six, but
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  Speaker 1: it'll be really.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not counting him because he doesn't count.
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  Speaker 2: Right, got it? Okay, Edges, what do you got on Edge?
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  Speaker 3: I had to go thin here? How to go thin? Yeah, Gernard,
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  Speaker 3: it's actually very easy. This is simple. Gernard Hunt Smith
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  Speaker 3: and Ebihetti, Ebiqutty. The guarantee, decent amount of cash, don't
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  Speaker 3: have the seventh round Keyshawn James Newby making it at Panesse.
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  Speaker 3: This is where the practice squad. He's not subject to waivers.
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  Speaker 3: He's a vested veteran. M hm. He definitely would be
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  Speaker 3: up out every now and then. You could, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you explain him where they're at. They don't have the
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  Speaker 3: roster spot, but they won them. They won him with them.
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  Speaker 3: This fall be great guy to have. Okay, but on
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  Speaker 3: the practice squad. On the practice squad.
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  Speaker 1: There was a real I guess buzz that that people
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  Speaker 1: thought Pessa was definitely gonna make the team because of
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  Speaker 1: who he was.
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  Speaker 2: But no, I think they forgot that the Browns, you
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  Speaker 2: know the Browns.
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  Speaker 3: He originally he originally agreed to.
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  Speaker 2: A deal with the Browns. He failed the physical.
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  Speaker 1: And then he was out there for weeks upon weeks
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  Speaker 1: before the Eagles waited until they knew Joe Tryon Shank
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  Speaker 1: Schwenka was going to retire to bring him in. So
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  Speaker 1: I think there is a little bit of a perception
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  Speaker 1: of misperception publicly on the value right now of age.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to understand, like, you don't need to keep
• 7:00
  Speaker 3: five edge rushers. Vic only plays three, right, you're gonna
• 7:04
  Speaker 3: dress four, you only use he only uses three. Hm,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't see it like other teams do. That's okay.
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  Speaker 3: He's done this, you know, going back to San Francisco.
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  Speaker 3: That's just what he does. It's worked out well for him.
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  Speaker 3: He can't blame him because he's great. M and that
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  Speaker 3: Panessa to me is janavitchs pass rusher. But he's a
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  Speaker 3: really good run defender. You could just work it out
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  Speaker 3: with the agent. So again, that that's what I got.
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  Speaker 3: What do you have?
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  Speaker 1: I had the edges I had, I had four obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Nolan Smith, Jeles Hunt, Grenard.
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  Speaker 2: Emacketty I I just couldn't make it.
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  Speaker 1: A good convincing argument enough, like what you're saying to
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  Speaker 1: put Epanessa on it without really knowing what he's got
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  Speaker 1: at this point and wanting to go heavier in a
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  Speaker 1: little in.
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  Speaker 2: A few other areas.
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  Speaker 1: So, oh, I didn't think the rookie that they drafted
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  Speaker 1: in the seventh round, James Newby, I'd give him a
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  Speaker 1: better shot than maybe the guy they drafted last year
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  Speaker 1: who didn't make it, Antoine hall Ryland, only because James
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: Newby what he's like four to three speed something crazy
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  Speaker 1: like that, you know, which might come in handy on
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  Speaker 1: special teams.
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  Speaker 2: But that's my issue.
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  Speaker 1: Is I don't have, like, I don't have a Patrick
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  Speaker 1: Johnson here type player. And so I was sort of
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  Speaker 1: tempted to try to maybe put James Newby or Ramirez
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  Speaker 1: on the roster, but I just didn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: No way, no way. Rameirouz makes it. That would be
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  Speaker 3: one of the biggest surprise in the last ten years.
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  Speaker 3: Ramirez made it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah again, that would only be like a like a
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  Speaker 1: special team's role.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't I just not.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. There's just no scenario. But look, there's
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  Speaker 3: every once in a while something shots you go, well,
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  Speaker 3: but when uh Sills, Sills the guard? Was he backup
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  Speaker 3: guard tackle? Yes, when he made it like that came
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  Speaker 3: out that that was like we didn't know that one.
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  Speaker 3: That that I remember putting on Twitter now before hearing
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  Speaker 3: that Sills is going to make it yep, I remember
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  Speaker 3: talk of the guy. The person I spoke to seemed
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  Speaker 3: to be a little surprised he was going to make it.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I leave it with that. But anyway, Yeah, so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're so far, so good. We don't really see anything
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  Speaker 3: that's for shadow.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, all right, so let's go to inside linebacker.
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  Speaker 3: All right, so I have again four okay, Bond, Campbell, Trotter,
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  Speaker 3: and Manden Chance. Campbell really look good in ot as.
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  Speaker 3: I understand it's only Otasanti Lawson. You you start to
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  Speaker 3: you need to backups. He would be subject to waivers
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  Speaker 3: if they cut him. Uh. That's he's a guy to watch.
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  Speaker 3: He's coming off an a cl injury.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: He's just he's he's very talented. Uh, it's hard to
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  Speaker 3: keep him. Again, he wouldn't play if if if he
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  Speaker 3: made the roster, he'd be he would be an act
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  Speaker 3: of everybody's health. He would never play, right, that that's
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  Speaker 3: the thing that you struggle with. Okay.
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I this is sort of like tight end for
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: or not o line for us in the last pod
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  Speaker 1: where uh, you kept one extra you I cut hitting.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna keep Campbell for special teams because my
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: philosophy was I didn't keep that fifth edge that we
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  Speaker 1: just talked about, like Patrick Robinson, who has always been
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  Speaker 1: a special teamer, or who was the other guy from
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  Speaker 1: Kansas that they had before or after Patt.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember Robinson, Tyron remember him?
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  Speaker 3: Kyron Johnson?
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  Speaker 2: Kyron Johnson and Patrick Johnson or Patrick I'm sorry Patrick Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: Oh the lineback from Tulane.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Patrick, he was an edge Patrick Johnson, right,
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  Speaker 1: and he was always on for special teams, right, I
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  Speaker 1: have I apologiz I was saying Patrick Robinson earlier I
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  Speaker 1: met Patrick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I met Patrick Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So there's no Patrick Johnson, there's no Kiroon Johnson for
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  Speaker 1: special teams. So we're not keeping that fifth edge. You
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: got to give that. You got to make up for
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  Speaker 1: it somewhere. So I'm keeping the fifth ilbuh, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: keeping Chance Campbell there.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. By the way, on epinessa his contract one year.
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  Speaker 3: They guaranteed half of it one point four guaranteed about
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  Speaker 3: half of it, so that that could play into it.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see it's a minimum deal, but they guaranteed a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of cash. And then so you've got four edges, correct,
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  Speaker 3: four edges.
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  Speaker 2: So right now, I've.
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  Speaker 1: Got fourteen players overall, and you have thirteen players because
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  Speaker 1: I kept Campbell, Campbell, Chance, Chance Campbell.
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  Speaker 3: Oh oh you did hold Did you really keep them?
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying I'm keeping a fifth.
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  Speaker 3: When you said Campbell, I thought you meant to joh
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  Speaker 3: Hod Campbell.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Chance.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, I'm keeping Jahadcampbell, there's no doubt about that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also keeping Chance Campbell as that sort.
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  Speaker 1: Of extra special teamer that you used to get from
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  Speaker 1: either Kyron Johnson or Patrick.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm keeping thirteen. So five DT's right, four edge
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  Speaker 3: for ilbs.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and I've got fourteen because I kept camp Campbell.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: We move into the secondary where there's a lot of discussions.
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  Speaker 3: He's also not vested by the way, he'd be subject
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  Speaker 3: to waivers if they cut him.
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  Speaker 2: That would be a chance. Yep, yep, that's correct. All right,
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  Speaker 2: So let's go to corners. Let's do corners and Nichols.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I could bind them. So I've got well,
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  Speaker 3: let's just let's all right, corner. I've got Mitchell Woolen,
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  Speaker 3: Jonathan Jones. This is where I said, this is where
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: I just just like this is crazy. I I I
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: had Jacquoryan Bennon on and off the roster. I don't
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: know how many times. But remember he Week one last
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: year Suffard torn pectorial muscle, so that hurt him in
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: addition to not understanding the defense obviously set him back.
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  Speaker 3: It's get a full of season. I'm putting him on
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  Speaker 3: the roster because Jonathan Jones turns thirty two, thirty thirty three,
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: excuse me, thirty three in September, okay, and mac McWilliams
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  Speaker 3: did nothing. I have him on the roster. Ringo counts
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  Speaker 3: against corner, but he's not a corner anymore. He's a
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  Speaker 3: special team or it's like j T. Gray. He counts
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  Speaker 3: against safety, but he's not a safety anymore. We'll get
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  Speaker 3: to him later, but right now, I have six corners. Again,
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  Speaker 3: it's only five where playable, right, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So give me your your six again.
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  Speaker 3: Just to make sure I have them, correct, Yeah, Mitchell Wooln, Jones,
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  Speaker 3: Bennett McWilliams, and Ringo.
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  Speaker 2: Bennett McWilliams, Ringo. Okay, yep, all right, I like it.
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  Speaker 2: I had.
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  Speaker 1: One, two, three, four, five, six. I guess I had
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  Speaker 1: six quarters six corners. I had Woolan, Mitchell, Michael Carter, Jones,
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  Speaker 1: and Carter's a nickel.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have him. He's not a corner. I mean
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  Speaker 3: corners of Nichols. Right. Yeah, it's hard to do that
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  Speaker 3: because I have it because of the safety position. Right,
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  Speaker 3: I have been to safety first. Okay, I'm counting him
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  Speaker 3: at safety.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we should just do secondary then, just like yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's just do secondary, make it easier.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, So we're just gonna do secondary. Give
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  Speaker 2: me your ten.
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  Speaker 3: Remember, Degene does not count as a corner anymore. He's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be safety and nickel, but he's gonna be playing
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  Speaker 3: a lot of safety according to Victor Fangio. So my
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  Speaker 3: corners are Mitchell Woolen, Jonathan Jones, Ringo is four counts
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  Speaker 3: as a corner, Bennett is five, and Mac McWilliams is six.
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  Speaker 3: One thing I do want to say is I'm very
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  Speaker 3: curious because they're short at safety, do they start practicing
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  Speaker 3: Mac McWilliams at safety?
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  Speaker 2: I know it.
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  Speaker 3: And last lest your training camp was corner and nickel,
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  Speaker 3: nickel being inside, corner outside. But why not safety? Why not?
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  Speaker 3: But we'll see. Just keep it eye on that, gotcha, okay?
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  Speaker 2: And so your four safeties? All right?
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  Speaker 3: So the safeties I'm counting Degene as a safety. Here
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  Speaker 3: will be Degene mccouba. Those are your your your star
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  Speaker 3: is in base right, and then Michael Carter is three. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see, we've got and and apps and apps. So
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: it's macouba, it's de Gene, it's Epps, and it's Carter.
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  Speaker 3: That's the four. Now, I could tell you that. I
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: could tell you. I talked about it very early in
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: the show. There might be a big, a major surprise.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: I was trying to find a way to put on
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: Maximus Pulley out of Wafford, who's a very intriguing prospect,
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: well built, round five eleven, two hundred pounds. He also
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: played at Western Kentucky. Before that, I talked to someone
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: in scouting around the league, so I kind a little
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: intel on him. Yeah, well listen, listen, who is red
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  Speaker 3: blanket ship twenty twenty two. No one ever heard of him.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: We knew he was a five year starter okay at MTSU,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: but it still didn't get him drafted. So there's an
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  Speaker 3: opportunity here at safety. The Maximus Pulley could be that guy.
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  Speaker 3: Don't be shocked.
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  Speaker 2: He was a playmaker too in college.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm not as had five picks, I think this
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  Speaker 3: last year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: So no, J T.
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  Speaker 2: Gray.
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  Speaker 3: J T.
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  Speaker 2: Gray does not make any y for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, J T. Gray because he's only going to
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  Speaker 3: play in special teams. Like there are a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: veterans we mentioned earlier with AJ Panessa. That's the practice squad.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: This is the beauty of the practice squad. With the
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  Speaker 3: rules changing, you you can just put veterans on there.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Now you only have sixteen spots. You don't want ten
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  Speaker 3: veterans on there. You want some. You want developmental players
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: on there, but you want some veterans too.
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  Speaker 2: And J T.
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  Speaker 3: Gray again, he doesn't give you anything in safety. He
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: really doesn't played it anymore. As I've said before, he's
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: the Chris Maragos of this team, elite special teams player,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: only played on defense in an emergency, and that's where J. T.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Gray is.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so here's where you're leaving. I was trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out who we differed on. You didn't have cole
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  Speaker 2: as Newski making the team.
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  Speaker 3: No, I did not.
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  Speaker 2: That's where it was. I was child because I'm going
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  Speaker 2: through my list.
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  Speaker 1: I have Wolan, I have Mitchell, I have Carter, I
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  Speaker 1: have Jones, I have Ringo, Dejene, mccouba, McWilliams, EPs and
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  Speaker 3: Greg keeve Greg.
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  Speaker 2: No, I did not keep it it, okay, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that's really interesting. And then I did decide that
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  Speaker 1: they I think you and I both decided in the
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  Speaker 1: end that the Eagles would go with a long snapper
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  Speaker 1: on the fifty three because numbers, if you add up
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the offense and defense, still add up to fifty and
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: it sounds like yours do as well.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm yeah, right, where do where.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Do we maybe go wrong? Like, because there's a lot
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of good players here on defense. The ones that maybe
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Epessa if he has a really healthy one.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: The toughest ones were day Kwon Wright if he blows
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: it up. Now he's an undrafted free agent lot too,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: because you now you have lot to want it. Totally
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: get that one. That's a good one. But the ones
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: that the ones to watch in train a camp, big
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: time watch or day Kwon Wright because he's a big
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: time athlete. He's got a lot of ability. Oh oh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I don't have him on there. My fault
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: for not mentioning him. Most people don't even know who
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: the guy is. But he's a journeyman guard, Michael Jordan.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: There's a reason why he's here. He has to start
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: a games in the league a bunch. It's just he's
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: a fourth he's a fourth guard, but he's still having
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: a guard depth.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's good.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: We think about it.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: How often in our off season podcasts, right have we said,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: this team needs to sign a veteran into your offensive
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: lineman who has played in the NFL, who is reliable,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: no matter how much you like Drew Kendall, no matter
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: how much you might think of Michael Morris or Willie
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: lanm what. You just need a guy who's played, and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the Eagles go and sign that guy, and then you
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and I don't put him on the fifty three, Which
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: is kind of funny because we talked about how much
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you need it.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: But we're also smart.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: We know that you can probably get a guy like
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  Speaker 1: that on your practice squad. If not that guy, somebody similar,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: And we also know that there's so much competition this
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: summer between all those backup offen of Lineman that you know,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I don't just assume that Michael Jordan's gonna make the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: team just because.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: No, and again he's he's a guy. You know, this
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: is where relationships matter with Howie, with working with agents
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: saying look, here's where we're at. I promise you once
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: we got to this week, we're gonna we're gonna call
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: him up. We're gonna elevate you know, by the way,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Maximus Pulley Academic team all conference. That's important that they're smart.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: You know, you notice they they've pointed this out a
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: lot over the years, how he's pointed it out. When
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: you know that that's how you hope, that's how you
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: get better characters, guys who are smart. Pully he did
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: finish at Wafford. Buddy played at Western Kentucky before that.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so a couple of guys that you and
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I both left off that we'll have to have just
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: some interest in for whatever reason or another.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: You know, Covey's a punt returner, but you can put them.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: But we both left off.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Willie Lampkin. They brought him in for a reason. He'll
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: get a lot of looks.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see what he could look that that's if
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: he lights it up, if he has a great camp. Yeah,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, and that's that's where you you know, that's
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: the Maximus Pullay I have to say goodbye. I mean,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: that's that's what happened, right.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Holland Pierce is a guy who's enormous. He's got a
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: long right ahead.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: But I mean, you can understand if any offensive line
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: coach just fell in love with the measurables of Holland Pierce.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: But we got to.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: See what he does first under the new coach and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Stone smart the tight end, right.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, they brought him in.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: He's a project.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: He's a project, sure, but you and I both left
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: him off.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: But they certainly signed him for a reason, so someone
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to watch in training camp. I'm trying to think if
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: there's anybody else on defense that we mentioned Deontay loss
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: in Campbell, Ambry Thomas.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I don't feel bad about leaving him off. Andre Sam.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: The only thing with Andre Sam is, even though he's
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: played well, when he's been given the opportunity in practices
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: and things, and he'll be like that first guy to
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: get pushed up if there's an injury. He was an
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: older prospect when Eagles signed it, and now they've gotten
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: younger at the position. Yeah, so it makes you think
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that the window was very small to begin with, and
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: now it's even smaller because of who they've added, like
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the Coal Wiz news Skis and the Michael Carter's and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: other guys who can play that spot.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be fun. I mean, this is what it's great
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: about doing it now because we have the information from
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: the draft on a free agency and you know what
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: the roster looks like, so you know where there's an
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: opportunity for someone to make the roster because they have
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: a history of undrafted free agents making it and actually
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: contributed the reaction of stories like it doesn't get much
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: better than not obviously the linebacker from Wisconsin who Edwards, Yeah,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: who signed with the Bears, who signed for big forre
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: agent money or good for eachantment. I would say big,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: but good for agent money. So they have a history
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: of developing these guys and listen.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I like it because if you were to ask me
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: what my I think my biggest flaw in my fifty
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: three min off for production is I don't think I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: had any of the udfa's making it. And like you said,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: there's always someone who just shines above the others and
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: they figure out a way to keep them on fifty three.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: So maybe by the next time we do is I'll
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: have to act somebody and going on. And you're right,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: it's not just Pully, right, I mean, you got to
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: watch a tight end. He's dynamic, right, right, is electric
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and lost and if he's healthy, had really good production
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: at Alabama before he got hurt.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: The way it happens is, let's say he's lighting tae kwon, right,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: is is lighting it up in training camp. You know,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: the every NFL team they have what's called a news service.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: They get the clips, you know, they get they see
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: what reporters are putting out there, whether it's on social
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: media or a line or newspapers, so they see it.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: They know what reporters are seeing. They don't get access
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: to the practice state, but they know by reading up
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: on it right now. And also, if you add to that,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: if he crushes it in training camp, that's where it
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: makes it really tough for how we to cut him.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll see, all.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Right, that was fun.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I really enjoy doing that with you. And that is
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: going to.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Finish off our Eagles fifty three roster protection.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Not too early, just early. It's June, and it's fun
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to do all right.
• 24:14
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• 24:17
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• 24:19
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