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Preview Taylor vs Serrano 3 Netflix, Berlanga/Sheeraz, Stevenson/Zepeda! Bivol Ducking Beterbiev? ? · The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what are boxing fans? This is the rope a
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Dope Radio Podcast, the Real rope Adope Radio Podcast. It's
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  Speaker 1: a Tuesday night and we're doing a show. I can't
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: believe it. I finally got it back to Tuesday nights. Anyway,
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: I hope everybody's having a good night. Hopefully you had
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: a good weekend, the holiday weekend and whatnot. We will
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  Speaker 1: start with some light some light recap because it was
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: a light weekend. Caterall you bank not, you know, not
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  Speaker 1: all that great obviously, and then you know a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a hundercard stuff too. That Caterall minus one
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  Speaker 1: fifty two was it that hit? So that was nice.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't touch anything else this weekend. I just made
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  Speaker 1: that one bet and it went through. So coming off
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  Speaker 1: a holiday week and a light weekend, we have a
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  Speaker 1: jam packed weekend coming up Friday night on Netflix Katie Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: Amanda Serrano, plus the undercard of course the Trilogy fight.
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  Speaker 1: This one's really interesting because obviously the first two fights
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  Speaker 1: were bangers, right, that's easy to tell. I had Serrano
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  Speaker 1: winning at least one of those. Then I say, at
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  Speaker 1: least I think it. I think you can make an
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  Speaker 1: argument for two and zero, but I think it should
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  Speaker 1: be one to one. I would be just fine, to
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  Speaker 1: be honest with you, I just I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't see Taylor winning both of them. But now Serrano
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  Speaker 1: is the favorite going into it. You kind of wonder
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  Speaker 1: if she's gonna get the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it could be one of those fights where now I
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  Speaker 1: will score it for Taylor and then Serrana win. So
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  Speaker 1: who knows. Either way, there have been great fights. I
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  Speaker 1: just think it should be one and one, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but either way Netflix, we'll talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: the undercard too. But it's great man. You know. We
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  Speaker 1: had the Tyson and Jake Paul fight. It is what
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  Speaker 1: it is with that fight, right, I didn't expect that
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  Speaker 1: would be a good fight and it sucked. But the
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  Speaker 1: two fights before it were very good, this one being great,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the second one we knew it was gonna
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  Speaker 1: be great, just like the first one. But now it's
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  Speaker 1: parlayed into being the main event on Netflix. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: really excited about that. Then The Zone, Hey Dozone has
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  Speaker 1: a pay per view this week? And did you know that?
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  Speaker 1: No Berlanga, Shiraz Stevenson, Zepata, my guy the morele mattis PLAYO.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna break down that card.
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  Speaker 1: I know that there is. I think if you coumble
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  Speaker 1: this one with with the USIK one, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: like forty three dollars or something like that, because I
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  Speaker 1: think it's ninety six if you if you package it,
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: which forty three dollars pay per view is better than
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  Speaker 1: sixty or seventy or whatever. But I still wish this
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  Speaker 1: one coming up on Saturday night wasn't a pay per view.
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  Speaker 1: I just think at some point you have to uh
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  Speaker 1: not have every card a pay per view. And we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the build up kind of
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  Speaker 1: lack thereof, but whatever. It hasn't been bad or anything.
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  Speaker 1: But the way does OWN promotes these fights, many of
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  Speaker 1: these fights anyway, not every single event, but some of them.
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  Speaker 1: In a fair amount of them, it's like they say
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  Speaker 1: to zone to zone, to zone to zone, and then
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  Speaker 1: you get to fight week and it's a pay per view.
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  Speaker 1: Now I knew it was a pay per view because
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  Speaker 1: I remember three out of four weeks they were gonna
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  Speaker 1: have a pay per view, and I remember the deal
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  Speaker 1: and everything like that. But there has been some that
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  Speaker 1: I thought, hey, wait, I thought that wasn't gonna be
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  Speaker 1: pay per view. So and I've also noticed how they
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  Speaker 1: advertise other fights. But when you look at it, like
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  Speaker 1: when you if you just look at the post itself,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of looks like it's their fights, which is
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  Speaker 1: week two. Hey it's a stack July. Make sure you
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  Speaker 1: buy a ticket or buy the pay per view July too,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's I don't know, I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: big fan of that. You can say it's a stack
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  Speaker 1: July and say hey, this is this and that is that,
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  Speaker 1: and that's great, but the way they kind of skew
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  Speaker 1: the lines, so to speak. But it's the ring or
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  Speaker 1: it's I mean, it wasn't even the ring on Twitter, right,
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  Speaker 1: it was that one dude. So it's just it's just
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  Speaker 1: kind of weak how they how they try to pawn
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  Speaker 1: some ship off like it's like it's theirs, and then
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  Speaker 1: kind of make it seem like you'll be watching fights
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  Speaker 1: and they'll be like, oh, this week, you know, on
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  Speaker 1: his own and then like I've had multiple people when
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  Speaker 1: I've talked about the fight and then these are like hardcorees.
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  Speaker 1: They're not like I'm friends with them on the boxing level,
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  Speaker 1: and some of them just friends in general, but none
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  Speaker 1: of them here locally, or I'm just there a friend
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  Speaker 1: with him. I've been friends, you know, for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: And then oh, by the way, we'll watch the fights
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  Speaker 1: once in a while. Not those people. They're not contacting
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  Speaker 1: me because they don't even barely even know what de
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  Speaker 1: zone is. But I have noticed that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people thought this was gonna be a free card anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, like it's still a good card.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. It's just at some point, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe Netflix, you know, maybe this Canelo Crawford will be
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  Speaker 1: a starting point for that. So we will preview and
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  Speaker 1: predict all the fights going on this weekend. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: pro Box even though the main event is a little
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  Speaker 1: different now due to Lester Martinez dropping off. Unfortunately, pro
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  Speaker 1: Box returns pro Box TV on Saturday. We had some
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  Speaker 1: news about David Dennevitez in the card in November from
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. Stack card. You know, I like the card,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, we'll talk about it. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: it because it kind of it's weird because we heard
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  Speaker 1: about a Benevida's fight, and then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: a certain trilogy at the same weight class for lineal
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  Speaker 1: is getting postponed. Hopefully, hopefully it's not off off, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: kind of funky, kind of funky, a little bit funky.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into it. John is gonna pop
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  Speaker 1: jump into some of this, some of this recap. I'm
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: not gonna go crazy with the recap, but where we
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  Speaker 1: are going to recap a little bit. So Jack Catterall
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  Speaker 1: Harlem You Bank obviously a really real boring fighting right,
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  Speaker 1: not going way out of the limb by saying that,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, early on you Bank, he was just
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  Speaker 1: jumpy as hell. Whether it was offense defense, he was
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  Speaker 1: just jumpy. And it was almost like a faint, a
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  Speaker 1: faint off, like a faint fest, like hey man, let's
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  Speaker 1: let's I'm gonna faint the shit out of you dude,
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  Speaker 1: because that's all he was doing. And he was high jabbing.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't. It was like he was fainting with
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  Speaker 1: the high jab It was really it was strange, right,
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  Speaker 1: it was strange. I gave catall the first two rounds,
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  Speaker 1: and obviously, like in the first round, between all the fainting,
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  Speaker 1: it was like a left hand to the head and
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  Speaker 1: that seemed like that was the best punch. I think
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  Speaker 1: there was a late left hand that stole the round
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  Speaker 1: for me. In round two. Not much happening though, and
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  Speaker 1: continuing round three like upper body movement, foot movement from
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  Speaker 1: from Harlem U Bank, but just fainting and just knock
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  Speaker 1: admitting to his punches. It was really strange. It was
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  Speaker 1: really really strange. I thought the fourth round could have
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  Speaker 1: maybe went to U Bank. More of that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the high high jab, the high faint jab, and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it's badly missing. But you know, maybe a jab in
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  Speaker 1: a left hand was good enough for Catterall to win
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  Speaker 1: that round. I didn't have this fight tight tight, to
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: be honest with you, I did give you Bank. The
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  Speaker 1: fifth I thought that he finally, you know, was like
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  Speaker 1: landing a jab. He also landed a nice right hand
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  Speaker 1: or two. But then the sixth round there was a
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  Speaker 1: clash of heads and it was pretty late in the
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  Speaker 1: round Catterall, both of them got cut. Catterall seemed worse.
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  Speaker 1: It was weird, though, so they broke it up and
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  Speaker 1: and Jack Catterall goes to his corner and his trainer
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  Speaker 1: or someone in his corner starts wiping his eye off,
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  Speaker 1: and then and then the ref said, oh no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he grabbed him away. But then the ref
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  Speaker 1: had and and I don't know how hard he was
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  Speaker 1: pressing on their neck. But I don't know, did you
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  Speaker 1: notice this too. The dude the ref had both these
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  Speaker 1: guys by their necks and he was almost like he
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  Speaker 1: was putting pressure on the back of their neck. It's like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: who the fuck are you? You're not this is in
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  Speaker 1: like a neighborhood fight and you're the dad and you're
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  Speaker 1: just grabbing the two apart. You know, it was really weird.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, dude, why you press it? Like I
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  Speaker 1: think Catererall kind of moved back a little bit, like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: get your hand off my neck. Dude, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: you're not my dad. You know you're not my father.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't do anything wrong. Well, he actually
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  Speaker 1: did do something wrong, but but that I just I
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  Speaker 1: just I had that written in my nose. I thought
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  Speaker 1: that was really weird. I thought that was really weird.
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  Speaker 1: When they started fighting again, you Bank was kind of
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  Speaker 1: wrestling even more with him, and he threw them down.
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  Speaker 1: So so the round ends and then they they look
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  Speaker 1: at the doctor or he, you know, Catererall looks at
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  Speaker 1: the doctor looks like they may start it, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a pause and pause and waiting and the rest talking
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  Speaker 1: to like the scorekeeper or something, or the timekeeper, I
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  Speaker 1: should say, and or someone, and he I guess he
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  Speaker 1: was talking to a doctor. I don't know. It was weird,
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he got up. He said, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're calling it off. And then you Bank acts like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's over, like it's he won,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: and it's like, well wait, and then I'm looking I'm
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: like the head. They called it a clash of heads, right,
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: you know, so I'm thinking, wait, what what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: So he's acting like he won, and I'm not saying
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: being confident that you won on the scorecards. His first
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  Speaker 1: reacted reaction was that he just won straight up, so
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  Speaker 1: obviously they went. So the scorecards. One scorecard had it
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: sixty nine sixty five, and then two had it sixty
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  Speaker 1: nine sixty six. I had it like four to two.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I had it. I guess you could say
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  Speaker 1: three to two one maybe, but I had it four
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  Speaker 1: to two tops. So the fight sucked, dude. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's not much more to talk about it. You Bank
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  Speaker 1: just needs to commit to what he's doing. I get
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: setting up shots, I get taking your time, I get
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  Speaker 1: being patient. I get not overdoing it early in the fight,
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  Speaker 1: but he just wasn't committing to his punches, and I
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: think all that movement's just burning energy, like it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: effect that whatsoever. In Caterall, he wasn't doing much either.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say he was, you know, throwing
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  Speaker 1: all these punches or whatever. But I had him winning
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: in like a non descript outcome. So and then also
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: on the under card, the was it Fayes, Fayes and Murphy.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Murphy started really well with the jab, and
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of one of those one of those
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  Speaker 1: fights that I could I could see both sides of it,
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: like who you think won? Because it's like what what
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  Speaker 1: do you like in a fight? That old statement, what
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  Speaker 1: do you like? Who do you you know? What? What
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  Speaker 1: kind of work do you like it? And I would
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  Speaker 1: have been okay with a draw too. I wouldn't have
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: been uh, you know against that. Fayes did win the fight,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, it's close. It was like ninety seven,
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  Speaker 1: ninety three, ninety six, ninety four, ninety six, ninety five.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought early that Murphy did pretty good job,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, with the jab, even early on later
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  Speaker 1: in the first or second round. In those early rounds,
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: you know, some nice hooks, especially like I said, late
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  Speaker 1: by Faez, and he kinda kind of had a decent guard,
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  Speaker 1: almost like a high guard, but he definitely started getting
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  Speaker 1: his his jab going and his short hooks on the
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  Speaker 1: inside I thought were some of the best shots. Both
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: guys I thought targeted the body fairly well anyway, But
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  Speaker 1: I thought as the fight went on, the short hooks
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  Speaker 1: and uppercuts, I just thought those were the more effective
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: punches for Fayez. Whereas It's not to say that Murphy
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't doing some good work, but to me, he started
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: to slow down some and he started to get kind
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: of arm punchy for my liking. Anyway, I thought he
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: was a little arm punchy, to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: So I had Fiaz winning, but I would have been
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: okay with a draw, you know. And it, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: it is one of those fights. Every year there's fights
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  Speaker 1: like that where you're like, how did you score? It
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: is based off what you saw, what you like. You
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: can make an argument for both sides, and I guess
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  Speaker 1: you can say that in a lot of fights, but
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  Speaker 1: especially this one. Sky Nicholson gotta win. Pat Brown gotta win,
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  Speaker 1: Wilkinson upset Krola, not Anthony, but William Krola, Cordinia gotta win.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's about it. Like I said, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: wasn't really some kind of great you know fight or
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: fight weeknd or whatever. But you know, if thot Catroll
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  Speaker 1: he did okay. But even even he said, you know,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: you could tell he didn't really do all that. He
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: didn't feel like he did that great. I guess you
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: could say, so you Bank. I just think Carlen you
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: bake needs to like, uh, not faint as much, which
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: you know that's pretty obvious when you watch a fight.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: But it's just like commit to the punches. Like he
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: was throwing these like right hands, and and he he'd
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: like miss badly. You know. It was almost like he
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  Speaker 1: was throwing but also like retweet retreating to get not
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: retweeting retreating to retreating to get out of the way.
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  Speaker 1: It was, I don't know, it was. It was kind
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  Speaker 1: of funky. And then he just kind of walk it
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  Speaker 1: off like he would just he would just walk like, oh,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: there's just a little bit leaving around. Okay, I'm just
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: gonna walk around. I'm just gonna keep walking around and
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: keep walking around. Its just it was hard to give
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: him around based off of how he fought. Like I said,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: these high jabs were just to nobody. It was I've
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: just never seen that many faints with the highjack so
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: maybe it just looks goofy and it threw me off.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: But Caterall, you know, I think he's a good fighter.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Neither of him have much power, you know, But we'll see,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, I don't really I think that
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: kind of showed the ceiling on Haarlem new Bank. I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: kind of figured that going in. But Caterall, they get
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the decision. Like I said, I did get that nice
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: little little bump there. So John should be popping in
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: here soon. I don't want to start the predictions and
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: all that without you know, catching up with him. Like
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm really excited about this Taylor Toronto fight.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: The fact that it's on Netflix is really really dope.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about Benavitez. You know, he gets this
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: fight done. It's a one fight, so one off, not
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: a three or four fight deal like a lot of
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: people sign with Turkey. Is the one off. We'll see
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: if it leads to something else Benevitez in in yard.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: So I guess the money just wasn't enough. They were
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: they were close, but it wasn't enough to get Callium
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Smith in the ring. That's what Eddie Hearn says, that
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: they just couldn't quite come to terms financially. And I
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: don't know if that was gonna be excuse me, a
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: fight here in the States, or if Sadi had something
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to do with that fight too. That's what I'm kind
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: of thinking that they didn't, just because why would the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: money be short, you know, And maybe he's just thinking, well,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I want to get a chance at the at the
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: lineal and not have to fight Benavidez. I'll get you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: one of those you know, Beval or maybe that's true,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Beival is gonna fight, you know. I don't know, but
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it just it is kind of crazy how Benavidez gets
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: a fight announced and then we hear you know, Bevil
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and better be of now is pushed off postpone pushed off,
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  Speaker 1: not gonna happen at least in twenty twenty five. So
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, well, so the trilogy was
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: gonna happen, Okay, cool, I get it better be of deserves,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you know, his trilogy, because you know he won the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: first one and a lot of people even thought he
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: won the second one. But either way, it's one one
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: that's his first lost ever. Cool, that's cool. I understand
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: why that would happen before the Benevitas fight, but that's
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: what we're told. That's why the Benevite isn't theval in
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Turkey even said, I'm not trying to make that fight
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the Benevite's befal because of the trilogy. And that's cool.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. I get it. But now that's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: not happening. So what was the hold up? Or is
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: it going to be Bivilla and kelling Smith and they're gonna,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you know, take the back door there. I don't know.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: It's just kind of okay, I see John in here,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: let me grab him in here real quick. All right,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: there we go? All right, what's going on? John? How
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: you doing?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Hey? Chris?
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: How are you good man? Really good? How was your
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: holiday weekend?
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Real good, real good? Went down to the Charleston West
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Virginia Regatta, which was a long, long tradition and was
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: on hiatus from two thousand and nine till twenty twenty two,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and they brought it back, and the comeback's been going
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: pretty well. Originally started in nineteen seventy one. At one time,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I think it was the biggest festival at least in
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the outside of the Marty Gras or something and something
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: something along those lines I wrote when I first came
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: to West Virginia. But it went through a big fade, unfortunately,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: and it was nice to see it back. So I
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: spent pretty much all four days over the weekend doing
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: that and that was a good time. How about yourself,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: it's going good.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: So you got that back, and you got the backyard
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Brawl back here recently, Yeah, right.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, And things up in the Morgantown area
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: more which they call the North Central region around here
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: on the whole, that's going well. WVU has had a
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: few cutbacks, but all schools did, and that area is
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: growing and doing well. And you know, the Charleston, West
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Virginia area more south needs to get some stuff going on.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: That's why that's even a big, a bigger issue down
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: in this part of the state. But that that comeback's
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: gone well. But yeah, WU has got the return of Rodriguez. Yeah,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: thirty if I'm looking forward to that, and got another
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: good event up there in Clarkspoort, Clarksburg, West Virginia, and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the Italian Fest which is the day before. Okay, that
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: makes a nice combo within forty miles or so. So
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: uh that that's that's a real uh, that's a real
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: good end of the end of something.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, I had a pretty good fourth Uh.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: My mom was in town, so I got to spend
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of time with her and family and other
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: cousins I haven't seen in a while. So yeah, the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: weather is really nice. It's been nice and hot up here.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So it's been going good. We'll going really good. My
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: summer's going good. It is hard to believe though, and
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you know in a couple of weeks that the NFL
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: training camp starts and then college football coming at the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: end of August. So just trying to, you know, enjoy
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: summer for a handful of weeks, you know what I mean.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. And when my dad was still alive,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: we were talking about that how the rhythm had shifted
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: a little bit, just in the ways you said, baseball
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: maybe not quite being what it used to be. And
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: once you got into July and you knew those you
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: know before you know, by mid month of NFL training
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: camps were going to start opening up, and you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the NFL being so dominant in the sports world, it
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: kind of just like you said, exactly changed the rhythm
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: of things in college football starting earlier, things like that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: So I agree with your hundred percent matter of fact
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: in speaking of that Charleston Star Will Regatta. It does
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: tie into that theme a bit because in the original incarnation,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: which went through two thousand and nine, like I said,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: it was Labor Day weekend, and first year they brought
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: it back was to the July fourth. They were going
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: to go back to the traditional and then it was
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: kind of like the talk along the lines like you said,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: you know, Labor Day weekends not really what it used
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: to be in terms of it's more of you know,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: some some schools have started and uh, the families that
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: they still can, they're gonna they're gonna travel. You've always
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: had that type of thing, but it's just kind of
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the rhythms different. So they decided to keep it on
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: fourth of July rather than go back to Labor Day
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: those types for those types of reasons, because they one
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: of the reasons with the decline was again tying with
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: what you mentioned. It got to where w v U
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: was always having a game Labor Day weekend.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: To go.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and you know, you you have more people
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: attending the game than live in the city of Charleston,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: West Virginia. You know, they got people coming in for regatta.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, it just kind of kind of tells you so,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: uh that that was a huge factor.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, I'm It's one of those things where I
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: like to take it in stages, like I'm a huge
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: college football fan, but I don't give a shit about
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: it right this second. You know, that's smart, it speaks.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Then I'll start to really build it up. But yeah,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I just kind of like to shut off my brain
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: with that. I'll keep up with stuff here and there,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and you know, I kind of like to go. The
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: training camp is not that far out of the city
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: for the vikings and stuff like that, and they always
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: scrimmage other teams, so that's actually kind of fun to
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: go and watch it like a live scrimmage. They don't
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: normally tackle you to the ground, but you know, if
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it's one on one receiver versus cornerback, they're trying to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: win that battle, you know what I mean when it's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: a different team. So that's always kind of fun. I'll
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: probably do that during the day or whatever. But so
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you know, over the weekend, pretty late weekend, obviously you
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: just had the I call it the faint fest. Cattrell
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and you Bank Junior just I've never seen so many
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: hijabs in my life. Like you they were both fainting,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: but you Bank was just he just had so much
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: wasteful movement. But it was a horrible fight. Just wasn't
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: good at all. There's not much to talk about. But
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you know, we haven't had you on a little bit.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Is that before we get into Friday and Saturday with
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you know, half some interesting matchups. It's a really interesting matchups.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: It's nice to see Netflix it back into it too.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: We get it, you know, in July, and then we
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: get it, you know, speaking of Sember get on really quick. Yeah,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it's really huge. But any other items, not necessarily just
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: from this weekend, but just in the last couple of
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: weeks that you haven't been able to that you just
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: got maybe an opinion on or something like that or
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: anything that uh, you know comes to mind.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did make a note because you gave me
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the perfect segue too. My general feeling is and yeah,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: we haven't got together for a little bit, but but
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: unfortunately it's we have stuff. But it's also partially you know,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like the sport overalls in a bad spot.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Nothing's really been going on. I mean, when you look
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: at the amount of fights you have to watch to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: even hope to get a good like to you know,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: be fortunate to get a good fight, it's it's just
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: getting to be too much. Like we talk about the
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: time investment. So in all this time, I can say,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: sadly but unexpectedly hasn't been much of note. I mean really,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: and this shows you. I mean, this is like the
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: biggest note. I mean, I think everybody kind of concurred to, like,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, show Field just blowing away Farmer. Yeah, Ko
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: was impressive, but you know, Farmer, even though could have
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: gone either way, he did get he still did not
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: beat Zapeida and he's at an advanced age. But the
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: thing we can say that I have to agree with
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the consensus. Nobody did that to him, and no, and
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: he gave everybody a tough fight with his difficult style.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't have any pop, but his style
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: always difficult, gave everybody a difficult fight. Up to that point,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you know, nothing like that really had happened to him before,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and the way Gofield did it was impressive looking so
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: in a time where just very little was going on
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and you're looking for anything to stand out. I think
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: most of us in the sport following the sport closely
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: commentating agree that stood out. And then I'm going to
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: go way back because we didn't get a chance to
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: talk about it. We talked since, but we didn't get
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: a talk kids to talk about that one. And I
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: think now it's kind it's important because of what's coming
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: up in a couple of weeks. You know, you had
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: you had Zoo blowaway Spencer. You know, I, unlike most
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: really at that point, you know, I'd still, you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: thought there was something there with Spencer. I thought, you know,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: his father training him, wasn't you know, wasn't the answer?
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: From what I saw, they made noise going into that
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: fight like it was. He was working with these other
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: people and then there was his dad in his corner,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: and the effort, the effort was dreadful. I mean, that's
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying like it was just Look, I never
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: criticized anybody if they decide to retire and they don't
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: want to fight, the sport's too dangerous. So if Joey
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Spencer decides to hang it up and his dad they
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: decided to hang it up, fine, and they got a payday.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I don't like it as fans what I saw, but
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I mean that that was a dreadful effort. So rather
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: than digressing too far back, though, why does that tie in?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I was a bit surprised. I mean, Zoo now is
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: a favorite over Fundor in the rematch coming up in
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks on the Pacchio Barrios undercard, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: you know, he got blown away by Marsaliev before that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: It just just totally got annihilated a guy who hadn't
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: really fought anybody and who had been laid off a lot.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: So you know, maybe he'll turn out to be more
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: than we thought, but we certainly didn't think that going
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: into that fight, and so we're now taking it as
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: you know, Zoo blows away a totally disinterested looking Spencer
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: in Australia and now he's a favorite over Fondora. Know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: the first fight. You know, tight he had the you know,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the horrible cut. But I'm like, man, I think we
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: have to look at you know, that's that Part's not
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Zoo's fault. But you know what, Spencer just didn't offer
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: anything that night. So it's not like it was Zoo
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Fundora one, then the Spencer's Spencer Zoo and then we're
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: going to Zoo Fundora two. It was you know, Fundora
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: and Spencer and then in between excuse me, Fundora and
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Zoo and then yeah, then you know, Zoo getting blown
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: way and then you know, getting the easy went over Spencer.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: So it doesn't mean Zoo couldn't can't win, but that
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: jumped out. I mean, that's just coming up in a
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks. But my main take is nothing going on.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: You know, we have top rank reach. In the end,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: there was like a YouTube, you know, card where they
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: had Neil Necky headlining. Didn't you know, good opportunity for
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: him in Jersey solid crowd. He's marketable there, like how
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: he's looked with shields. But you know, it really wasn't
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: that good of a performance. The guy was in with
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the guy he was in with, not a big effort,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: really wasn't engaging. Polish fighter was undefeated but hadn't thought
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: anybody at all, you know, in that kind of a
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: stage for him personally in Jersey where he's from headlining.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: That was that. Then they had the heavyweight all the
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: fights didn't you know that one could have been that
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: the fights just weren't didn't play the fights, a lot
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: of them didn't play out. And then you had the
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: the middleweight fight on the undercard where Truck Simpson got decisions.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yah, didn't look it didn't look good.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Now, so you had that fight which had some potential.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: That card just didn't that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: You like having the Jersey theme and local theme New
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: York area card. You know, you got a lot of
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Polish Polish Americans in the.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Area posted that right article about it.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Right that you see, there were local articles. You know,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: that's so rare nowadays. That's why you know, of course
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Jersey bias being from there and spending you know, half
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: my time there, but you know, and you see that
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: much even there anymore. Seeing that reminded you some days
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: boxing use anything to get like that. But then you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: like that, going in for a smaller card, but card
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: just didn't really live up to what I think they
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: hoped they were going to get out of it. But really,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: you know, and that's even relatively speaking to most people's interests,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: not a big card, but you know, people people we
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: you know, we know on there, but just it didn't
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: work out that good. But that really the general theme.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Really non eff Javes Junior too, which shouldn't be a
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: big surprise.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: That's right. You know, Jake Paul when he fights, it
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: gets a lot of publicity. You know, it's hard to
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: categorize him at this point because post some of that
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: and you get some pushback, which there are some truth
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to that. You know, we're not seeing Paul's pay per
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: view numbers at this point either, true. You know, we're saying,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: you know, he's a bigger which we do kind of
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: know that he is a bigger attraction than most boxers.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Most he's also reached a point where his numbers aren't
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: being widely credibly reported anymore either, so you know, these
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: probably aren't doing all.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: That great yet, especially killing off that viewership he had,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you know, right Netflix, I mean.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Right, which you know you want to build on that.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: But then on the other side, of the On the
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: other side of the coin, there's really no doubt he's drawing.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: You know, he's a better draw than almost all boxers
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: out there now. So you know, it's still the question remains,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: where does really the ultimate cash out? And I still
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: think for boxing sake, I'm in the camp that I've
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: said it, say it again. Boxing does do better if
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: this guy gets a cash out in my view, in
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: a big fight, I mean, if he gets blown away
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: in two rounds, then hey, everybody wants to see him lose.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: All the boxing people, they're actually even they're gonna even
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: at snickering, they're going to be satisfied. And all the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: people that really foolishly believe Paul could like, they're gonna
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: be watching it. So you know, to me, it's if
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Usak gets by Dubois, you know, you put him in
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: with Usik and say this guy is getting a crack
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: at the heavyweight cham. I know some people hate it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Usik has called for it now, not when he's focused
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks, but before that, so he's
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: saying in himself.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Or it's gonna be more than one fight from him
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: to no right, you know, Or.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: If Canelo you know, if Canelo gets by Crawford, the
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: odds much closer than I think all of us expected.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: But if he gets by, you know, that's a perfect
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: cash out for both of them, you know, you know,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: so something big to get the use out of Paul
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: before he goes down. You know, you'll get snickers if
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: he goes down against somebody, a lesser opponent. But that's
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: not going to do anything for you know, that's not
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: going to do anything for boxing, Like while he's here,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I want boxing to get something out of it, so
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: you know, not that.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Look what boxing got out of McGregor trying to cross over.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: You know, I think, you know, I think that's underrated.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's the highest selling pay per view,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: you know, because it was a pro fight boxing. You know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Mayweather pack Mayweather's in both of them. But I thought
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: that was good to keep boxing.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: My press conference that had millions of views in that
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: press conference over the time. I mean, that was that
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: was one of the craziest even though I thought a
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: lot of it was stupid. It did its job, that's
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: And I remember, which you just don't see this kind
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: of thing anymore. The morning of the fight, I decided
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I was going to get a new TV for it.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I hadn't gotten one for a while, and I said,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: why not. I was in there getting it, and I
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: remember the specifically there was a bunch of like army
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: guys who were off duty and you know, they were
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: at the wall are and they were just talking about it,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: and you know, I'm like, man, you know, this just
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: never never happens. Really, you know, it happened to Meweather
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: pakiaw but like outside of that, which at that point
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: hadn't been long ago against a couple of years exactly,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: it's just not happening. You know, nobody's talking about So
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: this is good. You know, I was on that one.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, you know, and I still think it
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: was a good thing because you know, PBC did their
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: thing right after that, or you know, really right had
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: started it. That was right, real I credit you know,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: you know, people knock PBC and but you know, I'm
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: looking at the last ten years now, twenty fifteen to
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. I think right now the sports and batrazy,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: but it really is Jesus. But it's the opposite of
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: the haters say. If PBC to me didn't do what
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: they did in like twenty fifteen.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, the sport, the sport would be Yeah.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: That's my point.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: That's a good point like that.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I started thinking about it like that recently, and
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot to it like that. If
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't have done that, where then everybody kind of followed.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: It pushed everybody even though they got resistance, and I
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: think it kind of got them off the game that
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: they originally wanted to play, and that hurt in the end.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Where we'd be now if they hadn't done that, Yeah,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: it'd be it'd be ten, ten, twenty times worse than
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: it is now, and it's not good.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: That's very true. Yeah, because imagine that because just sparking
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: all the interest in a variety of time buys, you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: did something. But also it sparked ESPN's interest, and then
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: top Rink came in and you know so and all
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: those executives said that exact thing, like huh. It really
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: got me thinking like okay, I could, we could, we
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: could do this deal. And obviously ESPN Plus came along
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and that helped top Rank too, because we know that
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: they have you know, a catalog and.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: When the zone and when the zone got in, and
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: they were using really Al Hayman's rationale. Yeah, Hayman was
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: kind of looking at boxing like an undervalued property, and
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: that's where he got the investors involved, like, look, it's
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: not united like a UFC, but if we looked at
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: it that way, it might be an undervalued property that
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: was straight out that the zones. The zones rationale was
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: that and then trying to get something big like us
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: NFL rights springboard.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the thing that they were gonna do.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: But but they were looking at the undervalued property thing
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: as well as the springboard didn't work out for them,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: but and then top rank felt to you know, survival,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: they had to follow along. Got the ESPN deal definitely
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: wouldn't happened otherwise.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they were putting on pay per views that
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: really shouldn't have been pay per view there for a second,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: because they didn't have the HBO thing. There was I
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: remember uh A Veldez and what is his name? It
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: was a good fight, but it had no business being
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: on em pay per view. A great fight though, actually
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: like a fun action fight. But yeah, you're right, they
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: were kind of stuck because, you know, that's when Bob
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: was in bad terms of HBO, because you know, it's
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: good and bad and good and bad. And remember it
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: took them over to showtime for a couple and then
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: went back and because that's just what Bob does. But yeah,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: that's a good point, I mean it it It put
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of investment in the sport. That's her damn sure,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you know exactly.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: And then one thing the other thing there actually is
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: one other night in worth noting, worth noting, and over
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: the last few weeks posted you know which mix you'd say, like,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: you know, we see we see things the rings putting
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: out there that are just simply pro promoing cards and
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: what Turkey al Sheikh's doing. I get that, I get
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: how ridiculous that is when you see it, but especially
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: with the you know, with the Foreman theme, and since
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: the print was gone and he did bring it back.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: So I was in Jersey, this was like the week
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: before fourth of July. I just saw to buy the
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: special form and print edition. Okay, there were some writers
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: in there, a couple that you know, I'd like, I
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have put them in there, but there was some
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: good writing in there. You know. The rankings back in there.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: It wasn't it wasn't all bad. I mean, that's that's
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: what I'm say. Like there were I kind of almost
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: wasn't expected. I mean I was expecting it, you know
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: with the Foreman pictures and stuff, but like, yeah, there,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: And I think anybody would agree if you looked inside it,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: like you know, at some some of the articles and
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: some of the stuff, like like there was some legit
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: stuff you would want back right in there. And you know,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I've always took the position, which is consistent for me
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: since you know, Oscar first bought it. You know, Golden
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Boy was it's better to have it alive than just data.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: And you know, the print was dead, so you know,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying like prints the dominant medium or something,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: but with Boxing's history and everything, it was nice. The
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Foreman Special Edition was nice to pick up in print.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: There was a few well written articles in there by
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: some good writers that I was pleasantly surprised. And the ratings,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I always think that's good. Happened that in area transnational
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: ring if it stays independent the you know, the ratings
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: because you know, you can't you can't rely on the
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: alphabet stuff right in terms of any kind of credibility.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: So there were some good things in there, but you know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: there there was probably some people they had right in there,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I probably wouldn't have pulled probably wouldn't
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: have pulled them back, wouldn't have pulled them back in, so,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: you know, but not.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Some of the followings. So I do I do see
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: on the print thing though, you know, because a lot
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: of people I didn't notice a lot of people were
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: excited when they were talking about that, you know, in
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: order it and all that. So I agree, it's it's
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: better here than not hear if it's on like that.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I have more of an issue not with actual ring
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the you know, the issues and all that, but like
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: just like the post on the Twitter stuff.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Right, they're bad. I agree with you.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: It's getting really ridiculous.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: You know, they're ridiculous. They are. And that's like I
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: don't yeah, I don't know why they're I kind of
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: don't know why they're using it that way.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I just I was talking about this before you hopped on,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and and they it's one thing to show credit to
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: fights that you like it. Like they'll say, hey, July
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: is on fire, right, and then they'll they'll put a
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: bunch of fights, and that's fine, Like if you want
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: to do that and just say, hey, everybody's got some
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: good fights, cool, you know. But then they started putting
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: it in pictures and putting dates on it. But it
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: just makes it it's all red, right, and it all
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: looks like it's ring stuff, right, so you're like, and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: then they're not saying it's pay per view, and then
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: in that post they're saying, hey, this we can buy it.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: It's like those aren't your like half of those aren't
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: your fights, you know. I just it's such a shitty
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: way to market. I think that I I think, you know, yeah,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: it looks like it is.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: They think that they're helping themselves with the ring name
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: for credibility, but they're doing the opposite, like they're just
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: cheaping the ring name. Like do your own promo and
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: then just keep the ring name solid and you can
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: use it for some things. Like we're saying, like the
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: logical thing would be get rid of the alphabets. I mean,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: if you're if I'm you know, if I'm Turkey Alaschic
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: and I'm doing it and I'm out in Saudi Arabia,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm going to do. I mean, so you.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Can't even be blamed for the ringings because it's already
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: set up, you know.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Right right, and and the fighters are not. They always say, oh,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the fighters want the alphabet belts until Turkey ala chics
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: breaking out the check book. Somebody don't care about their
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: WBC belt, No problem, right, they're going to drop that
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: for the ring belt, no problem. I mean that's right
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: in front of his face. You know, I don't that's
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: a head scratcher to me, like that. I would use
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: that for that, and then you know, have their sailor
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: or whatever their promotion is, you can just put that
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: for like the cornball the ridiculous infomercial ads we're talking about,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: put that on them, use that branding.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: On that, you know, and right, yeah, yeah, I.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Mean that's that's just what I would do. Like, so,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying is like they really haven't gotten enough
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: right on that. But if you look in the magazine
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: itself print edition, they do have some of it, right,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking that they might not, Like I'm like, well,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: they're they're getting some of it right. But it's just
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: what you said, like the other half where they're using
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the name for these crazy promos and stuff.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're in they're like ripping Jake Paul's the
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: ticket stuff sell tickets at this next event that they
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: got coming up, Like that's not real And if it
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: is reporting, then you should be reporting on how bad
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: that sales are going then.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Right if they would have done that seriously, but they don't,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: so I agree. Like when when they got called out
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: on that, I agreed because they weren't saying it about
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: anybody else's stuff.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Her own stuff, just personally with Paul.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: They just took a shot at Jake Paul, I mean.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: And then there's plenty of things to take a shot
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: at him for it, but that one isn't you know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: because the hell you got on your roster, you didn't
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: build anybody up.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: You know, you could just say the fights, this fight
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Chavez was terrible and nobody's gonna like, yeah.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. There's plenty of stuff just to
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: rip the actual fight.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: You know again that that would be better to do
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: it that way. Just have your regular if you got
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: credible boxing writers, have them ripped the fight.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Have them do it, yeah, exactly, have them like professionally
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: rip it, right, we didn't talk about, and you know,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: for good notion, because it was he looked out of
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: shape and didn't look good. But gerbot gerboat Gilberto Ramirez.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I had problems saying that. I
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: thought he it seems like every fight he looks worse
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: shape wise. This one, strategically, you could tell he was
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: kind of saving his gas and then he did pick
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: it up. And I heard people calling for that against
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Jake Paul, Gilberto against Jake Paul, and as like, although,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: you know, okay, sure I think he beats him, but
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: that's the fight I don't think Jake Paul would take
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: because it's not big enough name to get right, you.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Know, right, it's not a big enough name to take
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: the loss. I mean, people are gonna have to be
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: realistic there. They're overviued in the alphabet belt stuff. I mean,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: if Jake, you know, really, if Jake Paul makes to
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: me a career strategic mistake and does that, that's on him.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I think that would be foolish. Like in other words,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: if he somehow gets talking into it and thinks I
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: got to try to pick up an alphabet cruiser bell
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: that's my cash out. I think that's a bad cash.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Out, Yeah, because you're gonna look like shit doing.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: It, right. They look like you're gonna look like garbage
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: anyway and lose and nobody's really gonna care.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be Tommy Fury Part two right exactly.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: So I don't I don't see, but Ramirez, you know
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: that that was like, look, you know, some people fight
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: effectively at the older age, but I was thinking about
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: that with with some of the fights around that time, Like, look,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: you know, Dordicos is thirty nine years old. You're really
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: you really shouldn't be using these older fighters, right unless
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: they have you have to. I mean, you know, he
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: wasn't even a legit top ten guy at that point
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: formally was, but wasn't going into this. So like those
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: those fights even being made are kind of like misfires
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: to me. I mean like we're just wasting time. We
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: are wasting time. I mean, these are not you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: they're not as likely to be good fights. I mean,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: you got a thirty nine year old guy in there. Really,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: time wasters is kind of what I call him. And
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: I like Dordicos, you know, when he had more, Yeah.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: But he still was laying at a jab hard. I'll
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: give him that. That's about it. But yeah, Ramirez, like
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I said, he just every fight he gets a little
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: bit more. He just this body doesn't look like he
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: had a good training camp. Or maybe it's not the
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: training camp, it's before the training camp, you know. However
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: it is, his body looks like shit. He just doesn't
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: look good.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm not even saying maybe in this
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: one Turkey Ala, she didn't try to do it. But
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: that's one like, especially with the cruiserweight, even though you
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: need it in the modern era, I can see that
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: it's just still not a historical division. Really, people generally
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: don't It doesn't generate a ton of interest. So like,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: you know, you gotta just if I'm like Turkey Ash
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: because he is the one pulling all the strings now
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: pretty much. Yeah, at least for the moment. Uh yeah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: you just just get get the Ramirez. You know Opataia
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: thing made, you know, I know they talked about it
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: a few times and then they want other directions, but
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: just look, he's got the money again to pull the strings. Now.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Just say hey, guys, like look, you know, if you're
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: not going to get it on, I'm going in a
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: different you know, I'm going in a different direction period.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not going to use you. Yeah, he's
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: got that kind of power at this point. It's not
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's gonna last forever, but that's where we
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: are right now. So let's you know, just make that
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, boxing again. As we said, it's
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: overall in bad shape. I mean, there's just really not
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: time to be wasted at this point.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is. It's frustrating in the sense because
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: like like this upcoming Saturday, there's good fights on the card, right,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: It's just it always goes back to but who in
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the hell is going to be watching them? Yeah, you know,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: this is the perfect card not to be pay per view,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: this one this weekend exactly. And so it actually a writer,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: someone that you know has at least does it for
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: a part time job, didn't even realize that it wasn't
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: pay per view. Abe on Twitter and a couple other
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: people were like, oh it is. I thought I thought it.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Because the thing is they with the way they promote it.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: It just says to Zone. So for a month it'll
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: say Zone dizone owned to Zone, and then they'll be
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: like by the way it's pay per view and you're like,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: wait a second, you know, and I know they're giving
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: you a deal. You know, if you if you buy
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: both of them, you can combo it and it's only
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: forty three dollars or something like that each instead of
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: sixty or whatever. But it's it's not the point of
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: the money. It could be thirty or it could be eighty.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: It's just you know, it goes back to the exposure.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: You know. It's it's just or at least have it
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: available in a variety, Like I don't even know if
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: this one's available on normal cable or Amazon or whatever.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: You know, Like I don't know. It's frustrating because it
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: is a good card and there's interesting fights. I think
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: the main event is very closely matched. I think you
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: can make an argument for both guys. David Roe coming
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: off his first loss. He's in there with a guy
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: who can fight a little bit. We're gonna find out
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: about the guy, you know, So I don't know, on
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: one hand, he's spending all his money, but you know,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: like we've always said, and a lot of people push back,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: and that's great for us hardcorees. And we we're watching
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: the fights. It's not that we're not watching them, but
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: you know we're all alone. We're going to be in
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: an echo chamber before you know it, you.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Know, exactly correct, And I checked just before we went
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: on the zone. I did do just a little checking
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: to be right up to date. Before the zone. You
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: go to the app. They want fifty for this you
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: know this cards even interesting card like we're saying, but
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: not worth fifty nine to ninety.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: And do they show the double thing? They not exactly either,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: and they didn't before either on the back to back days.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: So there's no you gotta go and then it'll stay
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: link in the bio. Was this only fans or is that?
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? Like you just put the damn
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: link in the you know you're paying bots anyway to
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: spread your stuff regardless, it's that frustrates me that they
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: offer a deal that's not right on your fingertip.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: It's not even easy to get on and like, so
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I also then earlier I'm interested, always interested, but felt
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: like I wanted to be the most current looking at
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: where where is Netflix like as of today? So I
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: also checked that out, went right on, so you've got
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: like Netflix, Yes, a basic plan with ads, you could
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: be on there for seven ninety nine and then really,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: which is a good deal, like six different devices twenty
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: four to ninety nine is their max no ads, six
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: different devices. You know, all the stuff, you get, all
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: the movies you got to up, more NFL coming on
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: this year, and then you know, we've got Taylor Serrano three,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: which we're going to talk about of course, we got
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: that Friday, and then we got the Canelo Crawford in September. Now, also, Chris,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: because you and I are both interested in this, we
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: talk about it a lot. This is big news for
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: people who follow this like us. This was about three
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: weeks ago, three to four weeks ago. It's just by
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but it is the first time in
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: history streaming has now passed a broadcast by it just
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: a bit, okay, yeah, some point. It's been a ways
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: where I saw that wasn't gonna happen. But let's say
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: four or five years ago, and I'd said it, and
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: even the industry was saying it a bit. I thought,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe so many streamers were coming up, was
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: there a chance that maybe cable was going to put
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: themselves in a value position, maybe revive themselves a little,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: but that's not happening. That's done. So then like you
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: and I have talking, we're right on it and this
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: still holds true. So you know you've got your your
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: big two in the stream world are you know, really
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: are now Netflix and they have a large gap too, right,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: so you know, but those deals are you know, you
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: look at that, see I try to then look at
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: that as like a consumer, like you know, of any age,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: and you're and I'm thinking like, okay, yeah, the Netflix.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: You know, you're you're not really feeling a lot of
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: pain for that. I mean, you've got options. So it
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: ties into exactly what we're talking about. You know, not
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: only is like this this ring three card Saturday, not
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: on a broadcast situation where it's not on pay per view.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: It's not like like we're moving now at least with
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: two cards and Jake Paul did it where you know,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: you got this Netflix option where people are going to
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: see it, right, and it's worth signing up for if
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: you if you're not signed up, I mean, hey, you know,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I get all this other stuff. It's twenty four get
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: the ads, the ad package, and you can pause it
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: if you have a credit card. You can pause it
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: for like three months.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah yeah yeah, so like like but again
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: this matter.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Is like so if if I want to see uh
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: you know, Taylor Serrano and uh you know Canelo Crawford,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: and then I can Paul, you know, I could Paul
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: what they do? Yeah, see what else they do? So
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: you know and PBC. Yeah they got an Amazon, but
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: let's face it, you know it was kind of a
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: bait and switch everything they almost everything they've run in
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: pay per view. If they would have just been on Amazon,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: they would have also gotten that benefit. They had a
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: couple of cards, but that's it.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: So they haven't put a dent in it with the
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: free stuff just yet, right.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Right, And even Espinosa said, you know, they're saying like
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: they're they're going to do it, but they just feel
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: like they got to get money from the pay per view.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: But you know, like you might keep saying, you know,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: this audience is just every time you blow an exposure
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: opportunity with a pay per view that should be a
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: different platform. You know, you lose fans. You know, you
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: lose fans. You lose fans, you lose fans. You know,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: you're not building, So there's really is no build up.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's it's been that way since it
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: well not since it jump, because the zone at one
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: point in time was very low, but it jumped really quick,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: and it jumped really quick with less free or subscriber
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: you know product. And we would never say that these cards,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: some of them have been very stacked. We've given plenty
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: of credit. And even this one, if this was a
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: like Showtime back in the day, would do those quadruple headers,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: you know, good for that quadruple header, you know, praising
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: it up and down.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: You know, That's what I was thinking. That's exactly what
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I was thinking.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Because it is good. Like I'm very into these fights,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: you know. But either way, let's start Friday night with
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: the trilogy. And speaking of John, I went into Netflix
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: last night just to see and he put it on.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Go on there, boom, right there, Taylor Serrano, just right
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: off the bat.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: That's what we need, I mean, that is what we reminder.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm excited. I've been you know, discouraged with
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: the sport where it's at, but like I'm excited we
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: got stuff coming up, but like it's for the stuff,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: it's for what we got coming up. And then what
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: you and I are talking about, like at least with
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: what we got Friday Night with Netflix with Taylor Surroano three,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: and then what we got with Canelo Crawford in September
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: on Netflix. These to me are the glimmers of hope. Yes, yeah,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: these are the glimmers of hope.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Big time, big time. And so yeah, they're doing their
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: job when it comes to that. And I will say this,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: say what you about you want about Jake Paul, but
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: he as a promoter, he's done a lot more than
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: you'd expect in a short amount of time, you know
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, if ten years he's still gonna
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: be promoting, I have no clue. But he's doing a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: pretty damn good job. To parlay this one after you
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: lost the Canelo fight on Netflix, then to parlay this
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: that's pretty damn good.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: You know, He's done pretty well as a promoter.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's you know, put on a like smaller
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: cards that some of them are pretty good. And so
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I thought he I thought he's done a good job there. Now,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: the under card in this one, there's not a lot
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: of you know, there's not much fifty to fifty obviously,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: right sided Yeah, it's more of a yeah, showcase type,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: you know then and then they're gonna match some of
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: these up, you know, on the next card or whatever.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: But Taylor Serrano Part three, it deserves to be a
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: main event. And but I am glad, excuse me, I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: am glad they put it out a cold feature because
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't have happened on Netflix if they hadn't
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: had it on the cod feature, right, you know.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Now this is the lesson of this is what should
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: have been happening. That's the idea we're talking about. You
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: get fighters who put on a good fight in an
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: exposure position, and you parlay it to something else. Like
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: you said, credit to Jake Paul. This is this is
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: the idea we keep saying you have to get to.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: PBC was doing it in their early years, trying, but
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: it couldn't quite stay with the original plan long enough.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: That's always kind of been my feeling, just with conditions.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: You know, they were trying to not go with the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: alphabets too for a year, which was the right move
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, but then like this, you got this
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: is what we wanted to see, Like you know, the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Tyson Paul thing didn't work out good except for getting exposure.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: But then you got this great fight in this rema
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: between Taylor and Serrano, and then Jake Paul doing the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: right thing. You're getting it parlaid into a Netflix main
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: event where people are interested even dare I say, because
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: we never have it any more casual viewers.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, yep, and women and men, not just men. So
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: you know Taylor has got the benefit of the doubt
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: in both fights. You know, I'd be okay if it
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: was one one. I think you can make an argument
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: it should be too oh the opposite way, But I
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: would be okay if it was one one. I do
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: think Serrano won one of those fights, but you know,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: it is what it is. They were really good fights.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: She keeps getting. She got another one, which was a
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: nice payday, and now she's got another one, so in
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: the end it's still good for But here we are
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: in the trilogy after as far as you know. When
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I go up look on box Wreck, it says Taylor
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: won both of them and now she's the favorite in
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: the third fight. What are your thoughts here, because one
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: thing I will say, Taylor the way she has closed,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: especially the first fight, but just the way she's closed
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: some of these fights. It's almost like the last part
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: of the fight is in the judge's minds. Obviously it's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: scored round by round, but I will say Taylor did
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: make it. I think Serrano maybe left the door open
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit in some of this to not win cleanly.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Not to say she would have won, but what are
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: your thoughts heading into this and then beyond it probably
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: stylistically being another great fight. You know, I don't see
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: how it wouldn't be at least very good or whatever
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: above average. What's your gut kind of telling you on
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: this on this trilogy.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: My gut's telling me like like like you said, Chris,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I thought Serano won the first two fights. I think
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: there was a little confusion, especially in the first one
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: where you had Serrano really about had Taylor out and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: then Taylor made this amazing comeback winning rounds and but
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: but you know, in the first half of the fight
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: it was all Serrano and Serrano almost knocked her out.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: And then to me, it's like you said, I do
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: think there was some psychology involved there, because you know,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: my feeling was in the first fight there was there
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: was no way Taylor won the last round and judges,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: you know, were gave Taylor my record the last round
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: and you gave her the fight, and I was just like, nah, no, now.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: You know that that was that.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: I'm doing that off the top of my head. That
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: was my recollection of this. The second fight, then I
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: had a reservation going in even though I thought Serrano
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: won the first fight, just that you know, she had
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: been at much lower weights earlier in her career, and
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: she's moved up very effectively because especially for the women's game,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: her powers carried and she's got good power, I mean,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: and it even has carried into these fights really with Taylor,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: even though you know she didn't stop her either time, so.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: We aren't correct by the way. I just checked the cards.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: They all went to the tenth round, all went to.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was like not, now, remember yes, the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: sweet the sweep to get herself in position, right, yeah,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: way to put it, no argument. But again you look
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: back at the tenth No, not not. And then the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: judges all gave her the tenth and I was like, no,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: no way that that. So in the second fight, I
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: thought maybe it might be a little bit. I usually
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: think the weight's overrated, but I think I thought Serena
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: coming up so far that maybe that five pounds might
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: make a difference, but it didn't. It didn't. Like I
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: thought he won the second fight too, So I that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: leads me to feeling good about Serrano going into this
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: fight because I don't have that weight concern. She's the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: more powerful fighter, she's the younger fighter. You know, she's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: really the quicker fighter. I mean Taylor, Katie, Taylor's got
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: skills and she's tough. I like her, and I'm not saying,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: of course these fights have been very competitive, but Taylor
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: is getting at an advanced age.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Serrano is the favorite, just a slight favorite, but yeah,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: it's big. I feel good about her, and it's always
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: going to be really hard with the two minute rounds.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: And I'm not going to predict it, but I was looking,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: you know, for the old value flyer bet maybe maybe
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: of the weekend SaRenna. I think Serrano ko is plus
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: six hundred. Yeah, you know that's that's any kind of
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: stop it. So I'm not picking a stoppage, but I'm
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: picking Serrano. I feel if I you know, she still
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: was able to be effective. It's against Taylor at this
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: weight and she's younger, she's quicker, she's got more power.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Her problem in the fights has been, I think, right,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: being the naturally smaller fighter, you know, even though they're
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: fighting it the same weight. That when when you know,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: when she's throwing a lot, going up against somebody really bigger, stronger,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: that seems to have moments where it kind of kind
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: of gases her and takes something out of it.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: That's what I felt, you know, has gone on in
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: these fights. So that's kind of a factor. But now
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking when you look at a trilogy, that's where
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Taylor's age is going to work against her because even
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: though she's still stronger, she's going to still have the strength,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: She's not as powerful, she's not as quick, you know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: she's at an age disadvantage. This should it's you know, Serrano.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: There was talk, you know, maybe they'd have a third fight,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: you know in Ireland or over in the UK or
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: something that didn't happen. So Serrano's you know, uh, in
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: her home country. I think I think she should have
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: the motivation. I see Taylor already saying, of course, you know,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: why would she talk down herself. She's got pride and everything,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: but like, well, I'm taking this fight when I already
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: beat her twice and we know what the scorecards were
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: in the box trick, like you said, But I'm thinking
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: of myself reading the quotes like you've got a little
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: more to prove. You've got a little more here to
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: prove than that, at least to me and a lot
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: of fans in this in this trilogy. But but she
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: seems to be taking an approach like, oh, I've won
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: the first two fights, you know, I didn't really need.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: This seems to me to be set up pretty good
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: for Serrano. I mean, not like a setup type thing,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: but I mean just all the all the elements seemed
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: to me to be be set that Serrano is a
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: good play here. You know, if you look at it
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: outside of the judges, you can make the case you
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: already beat her twice, and she's younger, got more power,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: so she's got the power factor there, which you don't
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: see in the women's game as much. But Serrano has
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: it so tough to get a stoppage against somebody as
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: good as Tailor, you know, in ten two minute rounds.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: But I think Serrano might be able to do it.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to pick the stoppage, I think that's
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: less likely. I'll just pick her for the win. But
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: I think that's even a serrano, And I think the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: stoppage is a good flyer play. I'm not picking her
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: by stoppage, but I think he could get worse plus
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: six hundred plays than that.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No. I agree that it could
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: be and it could be just a swollen up eye
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: or you know, like you said, it could come in
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of different ways, right. I think people the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: psychological thing plays into the fight coming up on Friday,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: but also, like you said, in the first fight, when
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: the judges and people in general c Taylor that hurt
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: and then she can get that momentum back, right, I
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: think that kind of plays into oh, that's a great story,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: go ahead and give her this round because damn, that
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: was awesome. It's kind of like when we see mismatches
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: on paper and then the person starts doing good in
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: the early rounds and all of a sudden, I don't know,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: it could have been a draw. It's like, oh no, no, rounds,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: it was too too. But so I think that kind
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: of plays into it. And obviously she is the more
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: popular fighter and it was a big crowd in massive
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: square garden that first time. It was you know, it's
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: it was great to watch. Hopefully we get another one
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: like that. But also the the flip side of it
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: psychology wise, is, you know, you tend to get some
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: judges going huh, like, maybe you know, if Surround's doing good,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: maybe they'll give her the benefit of the doubt now
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: and she is the favorite. And so I've heard some
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: people kind of going with that line too, where they're
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: and I and I thought there is some truth to that,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: but it's at the same time it's like, well it
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: sure has. We haven't seen any of that through two
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: fights because Taylor's gotten the benefit of the doubt the
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: whole time. So I don't know if I'm ready to
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: go off on that way. You know, I think what
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: you're saying is I felt she at least won one
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: of them, if not two, or maybe a draw, you know,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: one oh one. I'd have been fine with that. But
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: but the fact that Serrano knows deep down she went
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: a bunch of rounds, she knows how to do it,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: maybe she'll pace herself a little bit better. Because I
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: agree there has been some of that and maybe it.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe Taylor is so tough that you know the effect
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: she maybe she thought she had her hurt and it
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, here we go, and then she really
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: released and got tired off of that that happens. But overall,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: I think it is worth a flyer, like you mentioned.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: But but I will be going uh Amna Serano by decision,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: And like I said, the inner card is just like, hey,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: we're gonna match some of the these female fighters up
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: in the in the near future. We signed all these
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: you know, female fighters, so we're gonna showcase them. And
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna do that, that does make sense on
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: a card like this, I will say that. But hopefully
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: you know, because when you look it's like, you know,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Cameron her you know, Jessica is a plus seven twenty right,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: A plus four really plus four four hundred is the
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: lowest underdog out of all of them, right, So you
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: know you got bomb Gunner, you got Scutiny, you got Marshall,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: you got care so you got that. The A sides
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: are like, yeah, these are good fighters.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: They are I was, good fighters, but the chips are bad.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: So I'm just hoping that it's one of those things
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: where one or two of them just pop stylistically where
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, well, at least that's entertaining. But yeah,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't really see an upset in there.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: That's a risk because you know Jake Paul and you know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: he's got that guy that does the promotions with him,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: who runs it. You know, they did a great thing
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: where they got you know, Serrano and Taylor that exposure.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: People were talking about that fight too, you know, right, right,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: But I mean like they shouldn't, right, they should learn.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: Like That's what gets me a little nervous about this
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: undercard is like it's almost like they didn't learn their
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: own lesson like that that parlayed him into this spot. Like, guys,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: you want to do That's what I was thinking. I'm like,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to complain because I was so happy
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: they got Taylor Sanna on Netflix, but like I was
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: kind of like, guys, you know, you're not like following
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: the lesson that got you here, Like you are like
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: a really really good matchup that everybody's going to see
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: leading into Tailor Serrano three and then do the same thing,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: like you said, instead of the old that's kind of
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: the old boxing thing that Frank hasn't been very effective
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: when you're really looking at it, like we're going to showcase,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: you know, these people in mismatches and then we'll have
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: them down the road and that'll be digging. That doesn't
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't really work that way. It's more like it works
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: the way you did it with this, Like you get
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: a great like think of even when let's go back
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: thirty years and because you're gonna have Sydney Sweeney doing
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: it in a movie player soon, Like when Christy Martin
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: had that fight with Dedre Gogerty out of the Tyson undercard.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: I mean like then like people were all talking about
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: it like Tyson, but then like it's a brawl and
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: you know, like and it leads to Christy Martin being
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: like her own thing. Yeah, you know you want to
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: have you know, but you want to try to make
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: that good fight. It's what you said, Chris, what they
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: do then they they hope, well, maybe one of them
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: turns into a good fight and we didn't have to,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: you know, pay that much. But that's just you know,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: that's not planning for success. I mean, like you want
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: to put some even money odds fight, right leading into
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: that Tailor Serrano, and they haven't done that here. I mean,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: I would have liked to see him do that male
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: or female. The more I thought about, I thought, well,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: it is fair to say, hey, we want to have
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: the women get some exposure after Tailor and Serrano earned
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: it with how good their flight was. But like, make
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: it with an even matchup, you know, figure something, I
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: do it. I mean, it's gonna you know, in that sense,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: you could say, hey, it's cost wise going to probably
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: be cheaper than a male fight you're gonna put together there,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: yeah or not? So you know, why not do that?
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: You know, why not do that here? I'm worried about
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: that being a missed opportunity. I want to enjoy what
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: we got a good main event on Netflix, but I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: like to see these undercard opportunities and these big exposure
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: events utilized better.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The only the only way out of that would be,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: you know, after the undercards they say, you know, they say, hey,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: coming in November you know on Netflix. Okay, okay, then
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: you saved it. But you know, do we know that
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: that's happening? No, we don't know that. So yeah, yeah,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: that's that is the only thing, you know, you get
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: some talented, talented fighters, but you know, it feels kind
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: of like you said that we just signed them up,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get them, we're gonna put them out there,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna you know, so they're just all under
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: your banner. But then you're putting them in showcases, especially
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: all four of them. You know, all four fights are showcases.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes opportunities missed, especially with my feeling that
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: there's too many weight classes and you didn't see this
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: forty years ago, even when they didn't pay attention to
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: as many of the junior classes and stuff, but they
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: weren't bashful about doing this, Like I think missed opportunities
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: too are like where they're not creative enough is look,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: pay somebody to move up and wait, you know there's
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: fighters good enough to do it. Like in other words,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: if that gets you a good matchup, right, pay somebody
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: to do it, you know. In other words, say well,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: we couldn't really get there's nobody really at this way,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: and you know, like, well, you know, pay somebody, pay
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: somebody handsomely to move up and then and where it's
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: still where it is going to be a close odds fight,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: even if somebody's moving up and wait and have a
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: really good matchup. You know, we don't male female, we're
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: not we're not seeing that.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree. And like you said, it's
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: not like they're have a Netflix deal, you know, so
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: that that'd be a lot different because then at least
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: you think, okay, well they're gonna they talk about on
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: the broadcast and hey, in November we had a car
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: coming up. Then at least you salvage something. But if
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: you don't, if you don't get much out of it,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: and you're just hoping something organically happens. You know, organically's great,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: but it has to be a you know, closer match.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Let's see, you're the highest I see for Taylor right
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: now is Caesar's plus one forty three FanDuel has their
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: plus one twenty DraftKings has plus one forty. So yeah,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be interesting. All right. So we'll move
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: on to uh, the just own card, the pay per
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: view card, the main event. You know Berlanga, you know,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: he he he was pretty kind of a no show
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: at times against Canel. A lot of the time against Canelo,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: but then he did start doing something later in the fight.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Obviously he took the victory lap you know, all online
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and the way he I don't know,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: there's something about I don't know. It's kind of strange
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: because I wouldn't have, like prior to his opponents last fight,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to think much about this fight to
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: be you know what I mean. I just think that
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: long jab. Yeah, that's the story right there. That's a
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: that's a nutshell of the story to who's gonna win
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: the fight is Chira's long jab. But we saw him
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: not want to pull the trigger and not you know,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: a guy, a guy who ottomus you know, can be
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: a fun fighter. Watch Ken also hold his bunches, but
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: he's not a power guy. So it's kind of like, man,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: are you gonna be worried about Berlanga because you know,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: he does have at least some pop at the high level.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: But it is kind of interesting how all of a sudden,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is about his fifty fifties. Get John
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: and Fan duel right now, minus one twelve apiece, Giraz
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: plus one oh five. There's another minus one ten apiece,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: So I mean this is this is fifty to fifty
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: and like I said a year ago, I wouldn't even
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: had to second guess it. But what are you thinking here?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Because both of them have something to prove and going
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: into a closely matched fight, I kind of think that
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: we could get a good fight here. You know, maybe
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: that's just me as a boxing fan wanting that or
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: as a pay per view buyer wanting that, but also
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: both these guys have a weird style where you're like,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: this could be a really bad snooze fest too, but
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: where you at with this one heading.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: In close eyes and you know that that gives you
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: much better chance for a good fight. So they've done
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: the right thing. At least they're calling this one the
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: main event, which is a little surprising with Stevenson's Apaida
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: on the card. But you know, I was thinking with
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: that part of it two that you and I kind
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: of said this, Chris, like this were top rank what
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: they're leading to. Nothing like even though they may have
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: been right that Berlanga wasn't as talented as they'd hoped,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: so they weren't lost interest in them, but you know,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: where the sport was, you just didn't have many people
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: who were drawing numbers on ESPN like he was there
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: was a value there and it's been proven as years
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: gone by, like, look, this guy's headlining now, it's really
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: because he got the ESPN exposure and did some number,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: so you know, it's not that he's a superstar or something,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: and especially the way was that. But but look, the
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: guy's in the main event in New York. You know
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: on a pay per view there was there's some value
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: there with people draw ratings like that, and Stevenson did too,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Like you would get get to him in a moment,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: but you know, you'd get these students fest when I
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: and everybody else it would be universal saying, gad, this
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: fight's boring. I don't want to watch this guy again.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: But then you look at his ratings and they were
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: they were high comp Yeah, it's like, well somebody wants
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: to see if we keep saying it, but somehow, for
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, we watch them and we say it and
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: watch them again.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: But in the main event, they built a couple of
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: guys to beeper Langa that have been fine too, right, right, exactly,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: keep them for that reason.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: That reason, right, build somebody else up at the same time. Yeah,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: but anyway, so this is a tight one. Yeah, I
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: was really liking the way the direction was. Sheer As
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: was was headed, you know, with the impressive KOs of
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Ammo Williams and Liam Williams, even though those fighters are limited,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: but they you know, top tennish kind of guys at
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: their best, and he had impressive knockouts. But then you
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: know the Adamas fight, he was dreadful. I thought to me,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: that was draw was a robbery. I thought a Damas
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: got robbed, he clearly wouldn't fight, and you know I
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: was picking cheer As going in. I was horribly disappointed.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: I thought he lost the fight, made all kinds of
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: excuses after the fight and all this kind of stuff.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, the guy was terrible and he didn't deserve
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: a draw in that fight Adam. I thought that was
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: a straight out robbery. So I thought Adamas fought well,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: clearly when and Cheerras was terrible. So that was a huge,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: huge disappointment. You know, now he's going up eight pounds,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: you know, like I always say, these are these are
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: created classes by the alphabets. In my judgment, you really
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: don't need so it shouldn't mean that funchy, tall guy
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: shouldn't mean much. But he's coming off a bad performance.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: So that's the thing. You know, he's but you know,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Berlanga has been mediocre Relli at best. A Yeah, you know,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: he has a power here and there, but he hasn't
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: been near the puncher that we thought. It appeared he
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: was coming up with the lesser opposition that, unfortunately for
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: him and to some degree the fans, has proven to
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: be true. Yeah, he can punch, but he's not the
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: puncher that we thought maybe he was and they were
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: building him up to be. So that's where we end
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: up with even money here. And I'm with the odds makers.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: I'm finding this one real tough to paul. You know,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think this time.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: A lot of people go to Berlanga all of a sudden,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: And I'm not quite there yet. I'm still hemming and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: hauling myself. But the one thing I'm thinking, you know,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: it matters somewhat, not not a ton, but somewhat like
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: maybe this one's just close enough that, you know, Sheer
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: has having to travel and Berlanga being in the hometown,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: I don't even mean with the judges, just comfort, you know,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: maybe does that maybe put him over the top. I
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: don't know if I'm quite there because watching the two
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: of them, I think sheer As looks to be the
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: more talented guy, even after the terrible performance against a Damas.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: My gut wants to say he's got more talent. And
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: you know that usual usually, unlike we like to think,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: most times talent's good. Most times, the talent's gonna win. Well,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: you know, the intangibles come in once in a while,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: but most times the talent's going to prevail.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, compared to how many times we bring up
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: the intangibles, true.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: Right, we bring them up a lot, but most of
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: the times it's the talent. You know, sometimes the intangible
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: is going to do it. This could be that type
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: of fight. That's why I'm looking at one intangible maybe
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Berlanga being in the hometown just being comfortable and sheer
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: As having to t you know, could that be enough
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: to maybe give Berlang enough momentum to maybe get a
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: decision in this fight.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Possibly fight good out of his hometown or his home
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: country last time, even though you know it's not that
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: long of a travel per se, but still, you know, right,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: look good, No, it wasn't comfortable, not.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: At all, not at all, and so this one even
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: just a few days before the fight. I'm not quite
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: settled on it. I can't quite make up my mind,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: but I'm thinking a little bit about that intangible. But
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: then the what doesn't want to make me go with
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: it is I think she has has more talent, and
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: you know, I could I could see thinking, well, maybe
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: that hometown intangible is enough, and I could see shere
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: as just getting leverage after getting a rhythm after a
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: few rounds and just catching Berlanga right on the button
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: with it right, Yeah, and he ends up getting a
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: spectacular win. And then you know, being you know, being Rocky.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: He definitely wants him to win. He's already clearly said it.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the ways for him, the way he favors him
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: is bizarre, It is bizarre, and there's no doubt we
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, we do have the video of him doing it,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: so it's just it's just a fact. It's strange, but
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: it's just a fact. So yeah, we we know Turkey
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: alask wants Shiraz to win, so which which then leads
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: you to believe too. You gotta faith in your own
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: boxing judgment. And of course we followed as much as anybody,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: so we do. But then that leads you to believe,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: like well, Turkey Alashik thinks Saras can beat Berlanga. It
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean he's right, but he believes it because he
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: likes the guy he wants him to win is the
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: opponent he's selected, so you know, he thinks, you know,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: and he so him warns people they think they could
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: be you know, Sharaz can eat him there, or I
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: don't think they'd take it.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sure the last thing. They don't want to sign
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: him to a multi fight deal and lose back to
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: back or you know, draw and no win.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, they don't want to be that behind
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: the guy and then draw and then losing the Berlin Gay.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, then he really is sunk. So I can't
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: I just haven't quite settled in on I just haven't
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: quite settled in on this one yet.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: I'm going sure As because I think that Jab, I
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: think you'll have something to prove, not to say that
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: he's going to go out there because he had something
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: to prove in his last fight that was a big
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: fight by you know, so that I can't really go
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: on that. Because you had time to be sure, didn't
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: look like you wanted to prove anything in the last fight. Now,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: they both fought this year, so obviously you know, Shiraz
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: had a full fight, whereas it was just a quick one,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: but you still had a camp and everything. So they
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: fought within a month from each other. So I think
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: that's a positive, especially nowadays, you know, I think that
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: could be a positive for both where they're both in
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: great shape and stuff like that, and maybe maybe a
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: little a little sharper or whatever, not that I think
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: both these guys are shark fighters. I just can't get over.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Blanga's defense is just not good at all. And I
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: mean even when they show those highlights of him, you know,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: not shadow boxing, but shadow defending, like you know, when
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: he's up against the rope and all that, it just
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: looks horrible. Not that he'd fight like that, but I
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: just see so many holes in his game beyond the
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: big punch.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: And you're reminding me that he really, he really hasn't
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: been good now for the level of opposition he's been
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: in with.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, like when he had those you know, really mid
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: and mediocres putting it lightly, when he had those guys,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: he would take him out and they even you know,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: they kept saying that the Mike Tyson in first round
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: and he's on he's got a street going, and so
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: I gave him credit because he would knock those guys out.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: But once he got in there with just a just
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: a okay guy, it just he looked bad, you know.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: And and then the he really knows showed Canelo till late.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: And then also I don't and maybe this is just
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: me personally skewing my opinion, but he not only did
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: he celebrate the loss, but the way he's given advice
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: how to beat Canelo John, you know, and it's kind
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: of like what would you have a you had your chance,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: you were in the ring, you know, and there's no
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: way in hell they want to do Berlanga Canelo too.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Now I say that, you know, but if he came
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: off and knocked out Chiraz, maybe it would still do numbers,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: because the first one did do numbers.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: The boy, you're the boy you're talking about it, Paul, Jake,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: Paul might be in our future and yeah, right, hey,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: there you go, Jake, Paul bight start looking at you said,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: I just might be able to take that a second.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: You know, this guy's got some exposure, but I just
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: can he deliver the big punch that he needs to
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: do Berlanga. Maybe, but I do think that Sharraz can
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: deliver his jab in this particular fight. So I'm going
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: with him by a decision. But you know, with Berlanga,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: you do got to watch the power somewhat, not nearly
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: as much as people think or say, because I think
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: what you said, sharask he could knock him out, because
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: it's not like Berlanga has some kind of great chin
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: or something like that.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: Either, you know, I could I could see. I could
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: see Shara knocking him out.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: I could too. I could too. I've I've put one
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: bet down, or actually i haven't. But I'm going to
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: after the show for Charraz by decision, but I might.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: I'm either gonna do it by decision or just straight
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: up kind of looking at the odds. But it does,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: it does kind of. Maybe I will take out a
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: double flyer this week and the one you mentioned and
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: then this one because I just don't believe in Berlanga whatsoever.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: Now the more the more you're just talking about it,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: really you know, I'm still where I am, but but
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: I'm the more I'm thinking, I don't know, what are
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: the odds on a on a Shiraz k that I
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: didn't say question, but since he since it's a close fight,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: they're probably all right.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: And I just Berlanga is just you know, obviously, you know,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: I hate Draft.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: King just got Shiraz by Ko at plus two seventy. Okay,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't feel bad. I wouldn't feel bad about taking
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: a flyer on that one. Yeah, and by just by decision,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Draft Kings has him at plus two hundred.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: Oh really by decision huh? Interesting? So yeah, I'm gonna
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say by decision just on my prediction on
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: the show, probably in my in my preview prediction, that'll
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: probably be it two. But I think the door has
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: to be open for sure for the stoppage, and I
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: just I might be like over the top biased when
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: it comes to Berlanga in the negative way. I will
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: have to admit that maybe, but I just don't see
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: a damn thing in this guy, and so it's really
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: hard for me to pick him, even even with Sharaz
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: coming off such a non competing you know thing. Do
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: you hear? Here's the so by knockout on my bookie
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: is Sharaz is a plus three twenty for a knockout,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: plus one seventy one for decision.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that's plus three twenty for a knockout.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty good price to me for a guy
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: that that guy that is a puncher.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Him as a plus one. They have Berlanga plus one
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: oh one. So it's basically fifty to fifty huh. Interesting.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: And then just like we were saying before on my
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: Bucky Serrano by KOs plus five ten.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Yeahraft DraftKings, I'll see that. Last I checked, they had
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: her at plus six hundred, which.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: I was higher.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like for a flyer. But yeah, but yeah,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: if we're shopping around, can help you see if they
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: still have.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: You might as well see where it's at. See if
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: it's you're.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: Still plus like still plus six hundred.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: There you go, there you be. Yeah. I just I'm
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: just down on Berlanga and I and like I said,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: I could be a little biased just because of all
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: this aftermath stuff. I'm not a big When you show
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: a non effort and then you act like you put
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: in an effort, I hate that, and so I do
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: gotta admit that I am a little biased with that.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: So I could be going over the top. But I've
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: just never seen a thing in Berlanga beyond i'd call
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: it pop some power, I wouldn't call it the knockout
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: stuff he was doing, you know what I mean?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: No, some he's got right, he he's shown he does
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: have some pop, but not some kind of like one punch.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: And the delivery system is real shaky, very shaky.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: That's what I always thought. I think that's one of
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: the most underrated things in boxing, right, Yes, delivery system.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: I always look for pop first and the delivery system
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: when guys are coming up, and I agree with you,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: delivery systems poor.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: And beyond that ship the chin issue that Wilder has
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: the deliver you know, he doesn't have his delivery system anymore, right,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: he just does. He just can't. He can't do it.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: It's just not That's what I saw in his last
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: few fights with Maybe he shouldn't be back, is right.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: He doesn't even have the delivery system for the right
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: hand anymore.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: Yep. And when that's when that's certain, you know, then
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: you get exposed, you know, like he has. So all right,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: so let's go to uh And as far as I know,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: it's a twenty twenty ring but we've heard eighteen by eighteen,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: you know, he's put up the goofy stuff that the
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: ring is gonna shrink as we fight, which is obviously
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. I guess it's twenty by twenty.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: That's the last thing I've heard, because Stevenson and other
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: fighters are like, that's not what we're agreed upon. Now
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: you're just gonna switch the damn ring, you know. I uh,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: so ze Pata right, Can he you know, apply that pressure?
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: Can he get close to him? Or? Is Stevenson's jab
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: movement defense and you know, like a neutralizer, you know,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: not always great defense or pretty, but he neutralizes no
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: matter how you look.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: I think I actually think that's the more I thought
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: about this fight. And you look at the odds and
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: see it's a big favor. But I think what you're
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: saying right there, Chris, I jumped in because I think
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: that's the key is that we have to look at it.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: I believe in compu box numbers, Stevenson gets hit less
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: than anybody in boxing, so we know by CompuBox paid
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: is thrown at a volume like which is unheard of,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: frankly for even a lightweight like he's he's throwing at
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: a volume like flyweights, which and you know he has
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: some pop. He didn't end up being the kind of
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: power they were building him up with early and when
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: he was against lesser opposition, which happens a lot, but
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: you haven't seen it as much as he stepped up.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: But you know, I think we've got to look at
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: it like, like, you know, Stevenson, he hasn't been getting
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: hit yet, so for really to me, for ze Pay
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: to have a chance. You know, obviously he's going to
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: be trying to do the high volume. It's got to
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: be he probably won't be layding that much, but that
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: he does move his hands a lot, and he keeps
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: moving him and Stevenson's just not throwing back enough and
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: then he steals a decision. I mean, that's the path
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: the victory be a controversial type thing. So Stevenson, the
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: problem for me always is is you know what offense
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: is he's going to bring. You know, we agree he's
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: one of the rare exceptions that he punches better to
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: the body than he does the head, and you really
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: don't expect that guy that's a defensive boxer like him,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: But that's what we've seen. So I think a big
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: key that would open this up for Stevenson for me
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: would be, is he going to be himself but against
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: a guy on the level of Zapaida, which which frankly,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: Stevenson's level of opposition hasn't overall the neck great really
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: really really look at it. You know, there's been some
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: guys there, but you know, he fought Valdez, he fought Herring.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's not like a murder. It's
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: not like a murderer's row. So you know, if you're
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: gonna say the paida is the toughest guy he's fought
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: so far, I'm not going to argue with that.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't. Not, I wouldn't. There's not a big
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: debate on that, I don't think.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: But you know, he's he's a minus one thousand favorite
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: on DraftKings. But but what I'm getting to is, if
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: Stevenson brings enough offense here, like if he's not afraid
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: to work the body some against the paida with with
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: what else he's gonna do, I think it'll be enough
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: with his defense that he'll neutralize, as you said, paid enough,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: especially because the paida had a surprisingly amount of trouble
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: with Farmer, which none of us were expecting, including the
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: odds makers. So and then that's not aging that well with.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: What just yeah, just did the fine prior to that,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Hughes in Cabrera, which you could say they can box
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: on the outside a little bit, especially Cabrera, he took,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: he tore them up, but then had two really close
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: fights in a row against the farm.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: You know, right. So I think as all as Stevenson
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: brings enough offense, which to me is does he go
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: to the body at least some at least some because
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: he can hurt you there. I haven't seen him do
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: that a lot against the better opposition he has, for
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: I think that would be a huge step forward. If
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: he's doing his neutralizing, you know, and throwing headshots, but
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: he works the body some against the paida I think
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: then his offense will be enough where he can get
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: a decision. But I do see a scenario for Cebeta,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: even though he's a big underdog that if he's if
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: he's moving his hands, which he always does based on
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: his punch output. And I'm already presuming with Stevenson being
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: the best defensive fighter in boxing statistically, he's not going
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: to land them. But Stevens is not doing anything back
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: and Zaid is moving forward. Like I've said, I think
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: for the sport of boxing, you do have to give
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: Zepaida rounds there because we have you know, I feel
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: like that's why you have effective aggression. People got to
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: make the f Now. I know the argument back as well.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: If Stevens is making a miss and Paid is moving
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: forward and throwing a lot, well that's not effective. But
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: but on the contrary, Stevens is not doing anything so
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: you know, offensively, So like I'm still gonna give the
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: guy throwing punch at least throwing punches around. I you know,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: if it's that kind of an ugly fight like that
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: where Paid is throwing a ton not landing, but Stevens
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: is not doing anything, which which we've seen him do
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: in some bad performances, there would be there is a
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: path for the upset for Paid. You know, I'm gonna
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: stick with Stevenson that he uses this as a showcase
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: and brings some offense and then gets it. This utralizes
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: him and then gets a decision. That's what I'm gonna
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: go with. But I can't say this is one where
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: I don't see a path at all for a paida.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: I do see one path where where he's not landing
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: but throwing a ton and and Stevenson is doing nothing
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: offensively and he steals around, so to speak, and ends
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: up getting a controversial decision.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Well, we know Turkey doesn't like the cat and mouse
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: you know scenario. So yeah, he's been saying that, like,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm with you. I think Stevenson, like I said,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: just the neutralize the neutralizer. I think he'll I think
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: he'll get by this one if Farmer can do enough
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: in you know twenty two rounds where there really wasn't
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: much separation at all, which surprised the second one too.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I think Stevenson will, we'll get it done.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: So you have David Roll coming off in a loss,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: a pretty good performance. We were always wondering, you know,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: like there was that gap where it was getting tough,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: like Shishkin and some other fighters that they tried to
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: make and he just couldn't make the fight. They went
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: other ways to make more money, or maybe they'd be
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: in a certain sanctioning belt where they just hold whole
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: position and try to get a belt or whatever. Either way,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: he was just green, you know, he was as far
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: as taking out David Benavitez anyway, and we are always
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: kind of wondering, like, huh, you know, it's it's I
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: wish he could have got one or two real in
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: between fights. He got the rounds, but the in between fights,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: you know, I think the last one he got did
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: actually help him as probably his best uh well, his
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: best opponent, but also he had some issues in it,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: so it actually, you know, it kind of spawned a
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: pretty good performance. I thought it was a fun fight
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: to watch. But is this guy he's facing, who you know,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: isn't that well known, doesn't have a large pro resume.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Is David Morrell gonna pick a you know, pick up
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: where he left off and climb back up, and hey,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: I lost to Benavidez? Or is he in a dangerous fight?
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: Because that you know people that I I definitely uh
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: trust when it comes to boxing, especially someone from Canada.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: He's like, this is a real fight. This is gonna
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: be a tough fight. It's gonna you know, both of
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: them power. How do you see this one playing out?
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: Because his opponent, not that he's unknown, there's there's film
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: of him, but he just you know, he hasn't fought
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: someone on that level.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, this Katayev. You know, he has a
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: high KO percentage, but he hasn't fought anybody. So that's
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: the mystery here. I think the risk here in handicapped.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: Morell is a solid favorite. I liked his performance against Benavidez.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: I thought he showed some aggression and toughness in the fight.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: But I was thinking of, you know, great broadcaster Larry Merchant.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: One of his old things that i'd heard him say
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: over the decades, he was always careful putting too much
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: stock in a guy after a good loss. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: I think that's almost what people are sensing with this one.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: And that's just where I worry a little bit of
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: Morell is, Like, you know, he didn't win against Benavidez.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: He wasn't that close on the scorecards. Now we know
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: Benavitez is real tough, and I'm with you. I like
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: the performance, but I was thinking a little bit of
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: those Larry Merchant words like.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: And then plus the fight before it, where he looked,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: you know, like it could be could fine tune some
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: things right.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: Like where if this where there could be a combination
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: of factors here. This is like I was just talking
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: in the other fight, we want close ons fights and
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: the Stevenson's paida is not that close on paper, Nora
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: is Morell and Katsayev. But I do you do see
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: kind of some paths, and like in this one, it's like, right,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: if Morell were putting too much stock in a quote
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: unquote good loss where he wasn't he did it. I
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: thought he was starting to even hurt Benavidez in a
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: couple of points, but he wasn't that close on the
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: cards and he lost.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: It's true, it wasn't a fifty to fifty who's gonna
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: win the last round type thing.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: Right, Like if like if we're giving him a little
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: too much, maybe maybe we've given him too much credit
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: for that because we respect Benevidez. And then this Katsayev
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: who has the high KO percentage. It turns out he's
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: for real and just hasn't fought anybody yet. Yeah, that
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: could be a bad combo for Morell because he's coming
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: off a tough fight too. Yeah, so that's one too
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: where I do see one path, Like you know, you
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: never know with the boxer when they take damage in
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: a tough fight, it still was a loss. And then
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, if Kotsayev this Ko percentage is
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: for real, then you can get a shocker. But if
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: Morell if his performance in that loss, which I did
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: like myself as you did, like, if it really was
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: for real, so to speak, as he just lost to
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: a really good guy in Benavidez, and this Katsayev hasn't
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: fought anybody, then it could be Burrell blows him away.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: You know, Yev is just a fraud who hasn't fought
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: anybody in Morell, you know, only picked up a loss
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: because he was in with somebody as good as Benavidez.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: Then Ka is going to be in trouble and Morell
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: could be right back on track. I mean, I would
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: think that's the more likely scenario here, and then Morell
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: we'll take this guy out. But there is that one
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: scenario that interests me that you have to watch for,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: where if we're giving Morell a little too much credit
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: and a loss and he took some damage, and then
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: this Katsayev the power for real and he just hasn't
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: gotten to show it against the higher opposition.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ian Morell does fall in love with like pot
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: shots and big shots. You know, like he did the
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: fight before, he wasn't using the game plan that well.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: When he was doing it, he was winning the realm clearly,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: but it seems like he kind of falls in love
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: with one shot at a time, and so he could
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: get a little you know, he loves to get a
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: little flashy in there too, so he could get a
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: little flashy, could get a little one punch at the
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: time and get caught. So I kind of see that
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: scenario not playing out. But like you said, the path
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: of victory, I think that would be the path of victory.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I've watched this one of his fights, and
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: I've watched some other parts of fights, But you know,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: how much does that really play into when you know
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: it's competition level, and you know, somebody could show like
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: a really great jab and they are body punching and whatever,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: and I get more out of that than I do someone,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: you know, stopping somebody that's not really much to look into.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say, David Merrewe, I don't know if
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: he'll stop him though, you know, I am kind of
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: in between on that. He generally goes for it, that's
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: for sure. But I'm really interesting to see because sometimes
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: you know, you know how they say when you win
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: your first belt, you know, I never believe like the
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: thirty or forty percent that you become that much better
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: as a But I think there is something about accomplishing
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: something and having the confidence and all that. But you
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: can also do on the flip side where you're like,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: all right, I made it, you know, and then it's like,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: all right, well you're gonna keep it proving, you know,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: because you know you haven't made it all the way.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: So and we could say the same thing. This obviously
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: Morel's flashy or whatever, but you know, for a while,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: until his last two fights, we were wondering too because
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: he just hadn't fought you know, the talent. So but
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: but I'd still say just because he went what he had,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: he was in there with some durable guys, uh to
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: go those rounds, you know, where is this guy? Not
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: as much? So I'm gonna go Daved Morell. Not sure
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: about the ending, you know, I'm not sure if it's
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: gonna be decision or a knockout. And then another closely, well,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: this is the main event in the In this other fight,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: Mattias returns against Playo. I mean it is, you know,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: it's neck and neck on the on the I'm on
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: pro boxing odds right now, and it's neck and neck.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's anybody's matchup. Play you is like you
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: know on FanDuel a plus one O eight A minus
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: one oh five plus one hundred plus one ten. You
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: know the old styles Night fights in this type of fight,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: and Mattias when he gets going and when he can
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: work you down and wear you out and just beat
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: you up, it's gonna be a long, long day because
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: he can take shots. But we have seen styles that
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: give him some issues. How do you see uh this
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: one playing out?
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: I think for me, this one comes down to Mattias's
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: age here he's thirty three, but you know, for one
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: hundred and forty pound guy that fights like he does,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: I've I've said this before. I've been surprised he's even
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: been able to carry it as long as he has.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: Now he picked up the loss of Parow. I do
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: think that had something to do with that, but he
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: was able to respond with a couple more KOs after that,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: So I think it's for me it's if Matthias can
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: bring I don't think he's going to bring it, be
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: able to bring it like he could a few years ago.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: But I think if he brings seventy five percent of that,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: if he can still bring seventy five percent of that
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: against Pueo, I think he's going to beat him because
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: I think Peo has been getting by. You know, you're
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: fortunate to get that Russell decision. He doesn't do a
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: lot in there. He's got no pop. You know, box
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: boxes pretty well, but you know does to me not
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: a guy that that that has a work the work
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: rate he really should in there in a lot of
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: these fights, and uh, I think so. So if Matthaas
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: is his aggressive self throwing him at if age hasn't
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: caught up with him too much, uh, he may not
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: be able to stop these guys stop him like he's
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: got the Ko percentage when he's always winning, he's always
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: stopping people.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: That's oh, but he's got.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: He's got one hundred right on the winds. I could
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: see this one going the distance despite that. But if
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: Matteas is like a good percentage of what he's been
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: I think he at least gets a decision here. I
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: just don't. I don't think Poeo does enough for me.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because Playo will como punch from time to time,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: but uh, there's not a lot to it. He's got
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: a good jab and whatnot, but yeah, I don't know.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know if his defense will hold up enough
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: to where, like you said, if he does start to
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: get hit with really heavy shots, once you're in the
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: cycle with him, you know, you gotta wait till the
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: lungs is done. You're just gonna spin. Once you're in
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: the spin cycle with Mattias, it's tough to get out
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: of it. Not to say that I think he'll sit
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: there and stand and trade with him. But I'm really
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: in between on this one. I'm slightly leaning leaning uh Mattias,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. They're just he does kind of
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: look worn out, and but then again he's not Mano
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: just doesn't have a lot of powers yet.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: What that's the thing, if, if if Mathias can just
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: be close to what he's been, po doesn't have enough
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: power to hold him off because even in you know,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: Matthias's first loss, which then he avenged later on, Yeah,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: wasn't normally a puncher, but but it was a strange
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: give him all the credit in the world. That first
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: fight they had, he sat down and he was stinging
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: this like that was kind of the difference in the
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: fight was that, you know, he was like, man, you know,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: I know, I got to hold this dude off. Yeah,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: he would just as we know, he would just steamroll.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: I mean he would just steamrolling and just bludget it
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: was budgeting people, but he was he was getting stung,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: he was getting strong, and you know, Poo has some
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: pop you know, yeah, so but you know, then you
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: got but then you got Plato doesn't have any like
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: so if Matthaas can bring it close to where he was,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: I don't see where Proo's got, you know, anything to
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: hold him off with or discourage him. Yeah.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm stuck on this one. It's literally like a
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: flip of the coin. But right now, early in the week, Uh,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: I am gonna go Matthias too. Just I don't know.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just hoping for a good fight. And you know,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: the odds are close, like we said, and usually for
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: you know, Payo. I don't know. I can see why
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: people thought he won that Russell fight, but and that
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: was Russell, like go a long. I'm pretty sure he
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: had a long you know, he's outside of the ring
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: for quite a while because of the family stuff. So
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see that fight again, Actually I would.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: That's that's really what I wanted to see that one again.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: I've been thinking that him, like, let's let's that's one.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: Sometimes there's one I want to see again. That that's one,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: and it's probably past the cell by date now, But
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: just because of the first result being so bizarre, there's
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: there's some some parts of me and I've heard other
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: people say it too, like you got to see like
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: t O and Kem boos one more.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: Time, Like what the hell, what the hell happened?
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: What was that about? You know, can it just be
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: like reverse dramatically? So we have to think that was
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: a total fluke, you know. I mean it's it's probably
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: past the cell by date now, but but but you
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: know that that's I know some other people that felt
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: the same way too. That was another one, and I'm
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: with you, like the Russell Player is another one of
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: those for me, like I'd like to see that one again.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: I just want to Rustle to fight twice in the year.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: That's the you know, I want him to fight again.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: He better get a fight here soon, because he's just
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: like this close to really breaking out as a damn
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: good fighter. You know, he's how aggressive he is and
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: but he has skill, like he's very fundamental and but
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: he's trying to brawl with you, but he's doing it
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: with short, tight punches, and I just love his style lot.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: I just hope he gets back in the ring. Supposedly
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: he is going to get in there, but but you know,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: I just hope it doesn't turn into his brother, because
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: his brother wants a year you know type thing. He's
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: he hasn't foughten like three a half years. He's coming back.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: He's coming him coming back. So yeah, that about wraps
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: it up. Oh you know what real quick the Devin
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: Haney Brian Norman Junior. What says you about that fight, sir?
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: I think that, you know, Hani having the look of
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: maybe being damaged goods after the Garcia fight, which hey,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: Garcia test and positive for PDS. You know, I'm not
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: blaming Haney for that one, right, but still we've got
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: to go on, and we got to go on what
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: we see. You know, Norman's showing offense. Now he was
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: a little bit inconsistent earlier in his career, but he
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: looks like he's gotten together now and the offense is there,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: you know, not just because I mean that was a mismatch.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: I did see that, you know, that Jin Sasaki fight.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: I mean I thought it was a dreadful mismatch. But
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: but Norman took care of business. He did his job.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: So and I'm not saying, you know, Devin Haney obviously
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: is not Jin Sasaki, but I think Norman's got too
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: much offense and he has skill as well, So this,
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: to me is not a good fight for Hani. I'm
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: feeling pretty good about making that call right off the bat,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: even though you know, of course Hane' is a top fighter,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: but I just don't think he has the offense to
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: compete with Norman. It's not and it's not that he
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: does nothing.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: Still is coming out more with Norman the game, playing
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: strategically exactly together. He's a little bit better than I thought, actually.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: Right right, well, and he showed that some early you
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: know when right he was with PBC initially, Yeah, I
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: think he started fighting with PBC, didn't he before he
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: was with top rank go I think going way back.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: But like, but you're you're kind of I remember you
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: were kind of like get excited about him at first
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: against the lesser opposition. Then he kind of like we
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: didn't lose, but he just wasn't looking that good and
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: topped off the radar, and then top rank picked him up.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: And even then it wasn't like immediate, but then, you know,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: but then it did look like that, like it looked
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: like he was getting it back together, like it just
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: it just started like then, oh no, this is what
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: we thought we might have been seeing early on, and
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: now he seems to be there because you know, it's
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: not like the guy doesn't have skills, but the guys
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: got offense. He's got pop. So like that's a bad
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: combo for for Devin Haney because it's not going to
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: be like it's some crude punch or chasing him around.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, he's.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: Gonna be able to stick a jab or something. This
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: is going to be a dude bringing offense who's got
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: some skills. I don't I don't think with you know,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: the gun shy categorization with Haney probably is fair at
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: this point.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: With you know what, yeah, it's it's to TBA, you know, right,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: ye see it. You know, so she was a guy
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: that can punch coming off, you know, some of these
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: punch as he's landed, you know, right, I.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: Feel I think Norman's a good play. Norman's a good
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: play in this one.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's not gonna be swinging for the fences.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I hope not.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: These are good matchups, but like, but in the sense
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: they're not, they're still not good pay per view matchups.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: It's just worth mentioning because it's us like hardcore boxing fans, right,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: we're discussing it, but it's it's still where you're sinking
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: in terms of the build and that's what Turkey Alashic,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: except for Canelo crawl Ford has gotten like he's gotten
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: it there. But like you said, I agree, Like this
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: would be a perfect card this weekend, this ring card,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: you know, headlighted by Berlanga and Sharons, This would be
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: a perfect one to be on a Netflix or you know,
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: Amazon or ESPN wherever they're going to pick more people,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: more people. But instead you're going to pay review and
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: it's just not going to it's just not going to
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: get the viewership.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: I guess he's just allergic to time buys or something.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's right there sitting for him
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: and in a in a in the time when people
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: want content, you know, if you're going to pay them
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: to put on content, I just don't. I think you
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: can find a home for it, you know.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: But that's a good point. With the money he's putting
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: out anyway, and with the Saudi resources he signs the money,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: do at least a time by, do at least do
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: a time Yeah, yeah.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: Like say whatever you want, but hey, the UFC start
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: with a time buy, PBC start with a time by.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: They ended up you know, the Fox still in South sure,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: but they ended up getting the deal off of it.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: And Dana and Dana White, which I think was the truth,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: they were about done, Yes, you're ready to put The
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: Ultimate Fighter, Yeah, Mike, which that had a high access
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: and people my son and I watched them all the
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: first first season and it parlayed and then they ended
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: up with like when you had the Griffin Bonner, Yeah,
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: like they had on Regular Like theudn't parlayed into like
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: regular TV if I recall, So, like, yeah, that's like,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: you know, that's how you get things.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: Going yep, exactly, and then you know, just to kind
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: of talk what you're talking about with that card in
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: November twenty second. The card itself once again, it's interesting,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: there's a good fights on it. I like it. However,
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: you know it is the however though, because uh, you know,
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: Bena Vitez has got to keep his career going, right,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: So I get that part. And he did try to
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: first make the Calliam Smith and Eddie Hurn came out
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: and said we're in negotiations, then came out and said
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: they didn't get there in the money. And I don't
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: know if that was going to be My guess is
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: it was gonna be off of It wasn't gonna be
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: a Saudi card because if it just came down to money,
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: I think that they'd take care of that. But then
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: I thought Kelly Smith was gonna get the Yard fight,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: you know, instead of the Benavide's like, I'm gonna wait
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: my time and see if i can get the lineal
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: and then I'll I'll think it's worth losing or whatever.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: But you know, Yard's a fine opponent. But as a
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: pay per view main event, you know, you start to
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: get like, eh, but I am glad that he's at least,
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: you know, fighting again this year, and he's obviously trying
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: to make the fights. But however, we were told, John,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: we were told that the Benavidez Bevulf fight can't happen
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: because of the trilogy, right, And that's fair because better
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: be of you know, I get it. You know, most
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of people think he won both those fights,
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: so yeah, he should get first DIBs at his loss.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not hating on that. But then all of a sudden,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: it's not happening.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: Now yet better and Better Bv's out there openly saying
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: the guy will fight me exactly.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: So it's like and speaking openly, Turkey openly said I'm
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: not gonna bit on Bena Vida's and Bivel because I'm
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: gonna make the trilogy. Okay, well cool. So then literally
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: a day later, John, they announced the Bena Vedas fight. Boom,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: we got news that that fight's not happening. It's like,
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: what the hell. But I do kind of like the
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: one off with the Saudi. So you're not signing three
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: or four fights, so who knows what's gonna happen, but
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: you are, you are betting the knee a little bit,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: you know, so you're like, hey, I'm willing to do this,
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: but I just want to make sure I'm not gonna
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: fight in Alcatraz, you know what I mean, because that's
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: he was trying to get him a fight al Luckily
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: that went out the window. But so, I don't know,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: it's just it's it's strange. But hopefully him fighting Insadi,
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: him showing loyalty here or whatever you want to say.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: Hopefully that gets him a big fight and ship. Okay,
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: if Bival doesn't want to fight, then make better b
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: Ivan Benavenez. Who the hell wouldn't watch that fight, you know,
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: a brawl. So and most people don't think that we
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: already know what happened, so we don't even need a trilogy.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: A lot of people don't think we need a trilogy.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: In that fight, you know, I just saw I did
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: think myself Better be I have won both the fight,
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: So you know, I feel frustrated for Better Beef. As
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: I said before, I'm not crazy about Bivol style, and
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: you know, in some sense, I actually feel with him.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: I feel the guy gets a little more credit than
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: he deserves. Sure entertained, you know, he was fortunate to
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: get this decision in the better be of rematch, and.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: A lot of it comes off that Canela win, you know, right.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: Right, you know ko percentage is low. You know, you
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: know how he had how many fights in a row
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: without a stopic you know at the high right anyway,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: But there's some talk that I agree if I'm Turkey,
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not worried about this, Like supposedly they're gonna make
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: the fight in Rush. You just reminded me that I
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: did read this right, fight in Russia on their own
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: with Russian interest something like that's not gonna happen. That's
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: not gonna happen.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: Like this's okay to go, you know with the Russian
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: that's funny. It turned around pretty quick.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: But I'm thinking, like with what crowd like it just
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't draw. It's not going to draw over there like
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: you know it does another place.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: It's just not. So they got their hands full over
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: there anyway.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: Right right, don't go on. I don't see it. I
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: don't see yeah, I hear that.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: Any other items that you want to talk about, or
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: we pretty much, uh pretty much get to everything, John.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: I think we we pretty much got it all. We
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: just don't need to talk about it tonight, but we do.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: You know, we are coming up on you know, the
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: heavyweight championship Dubois Ustik, which is too which is a
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: good fight.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: So yes, I agree.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: Again, we wish it would get the proper exposure, but
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: it is a good fight. And uh, you know, Usik's
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: probably a bigger favorite than I would have expected in
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: the rematch. Not saying he's not gonna win it, but right, yeah,
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: I do think it's a good fight.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: Do you too? And the fact that Usik's still hanging
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: around giving us fights that just it's like thanks, man,
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: appreciate that, you know.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like he's not giving a good fight, right,
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: So I am getting for where I'm like some people
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: like I'd like to like if he gets by this,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see him get a good cash out
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: with like Jake Paul. I mean, see, I think that
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: damn sure.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: Don't want to see the fiery fight. We already know
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: what happened, right.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: We already know what happens. I mean, you let who sick,
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: you know, nearing forty years old, let it. Let him
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: get the easy payday with Jake Paul. Bads will be
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: happy seeing him get knocked out.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: And if anybody in boxing earned this thing, you know,
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: and you know he's gonna have to go on who
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: you know, Jake Paul's home turf to where that Yeah,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: a home turf guy, Like, no problem, I'll come to you.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good it's actually kind of a good finish, exactly.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be just fine with that. And Usa,
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: he's a funny guy too. He says a bunch of
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: funny stuff. He's lighthearted.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: He's might not be a bad promote. Might not be
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: a bad promotion.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly, Yeah, because Usik has a way of
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: making you laugh. Uh, it's more on the low, it's
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: more goofy, But it might be a really good promotion.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: All Right, that's a good call. That's a really good call.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: I would love it. I would love if Hoosa got that.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: Of course, he has some business before him and he's
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: got to watch out for the body punches. But I think,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, well we'll definitely talk about that in
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: the near future. But I appreciate you stopping on and uh,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: you know, it's nice to uh catch back up with
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: you man, and you know, we'll hopefully we'll talk next week.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thanks Crape being with you. Zoey's all right,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: take it easy, take care, all right.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: So a little bit, let's see a little bit more
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: news wise. What what what are we going to talk
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: about here? I had a couple of things here. Oh,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: you know, Jake Paul getting ranked and I told you
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: that was gonna happen. You know, I told you that
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: was gonna happen. The w B O was talking about
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: doing it. W b A did it.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: Then they.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, wait, you're complaining about it. Hang on,
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: let me let me redo that. So they they ended
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: up saying that they're gonna they're gonna think it over,
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They're gonna think it over.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: And they ended up, you know, not well I shouldn't
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: say they did. They ended up not doing it, but
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: they are going to, you know, they're gonna discuss it
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: and make sure they made the proper thing. And honestly,
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: like these sanctioning belts in rankings and all that, so
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: much of them, not all, but so much of them
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: are jokes anyway. So like, in the end, would it
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: be the worst thing if it could just to make
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: a fight happen now, the fight with Gilberto with that,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: is that something he's eyeing, you know, Like I said,
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, you know, I don't think he's
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: eyeing that fight at all because I just think it's
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: way too much of a risk. But you know, whether
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: they freaking you know, whether they rank him or not,
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: I could care less. I'll be honest with you, I
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: really don't care if he's ranked or not. To me,
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: it just it doesn't It doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: But you know, I get it. People get pissed off
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: and they just don't like Jake Paul And you know,
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's the best thing that's happened to
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: the sport, you know, or something like that. But I
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: also I just don't think it's as bad as people
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: are talking about. But this is what Turkey tweeted not
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: all that long ago. I will be very upset if
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: Berlanga and Zippata knock out Sharaz and Shakur. We have
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: big plans for Sharaz and Shakur and the result would
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: be a complete disaster. So and right now, I see
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: Norman's right around like a plus one ten, plus one
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: twelve plus plus something against Devin Haney. I really like that.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: But he did get ranked anyway, fourteenth. Jake Paul got
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: the fourteenth ranking, and then they said, hang on, maybe
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: we didn't mean that. I did see a headline on
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: East Side Boxing Boxing twenty four to seven saying a
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: massive ninety four thousand fans expected for Usik and du
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: Bois rematch at Wenley Stadium, So that's always good. I
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: saw Jerrell big Baby Miller called out Wilder. You know,
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: obviously that would be kind of interesting in a sense of,
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: you know, like where they're at in their careers, the
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: lead up would be interesting. Matt from brunch Boxing shouts
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: out to brunch boxing in general. He had a tweet
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: a quote tweet saying people complaining about Jake Paul being
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: ranked but can't name ten cruiserweights. That is a good point.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: That is a good point, a very good point really,
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: as I saw people kind of miss uh mis representing
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: or misinterpretating uh interpretating Floyd Schofield. A lot of people
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: are running around saying he's tanks mandatory. Okay. Now I've
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: seen people like brunch Boxing and others get it right
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: saying he's the number one contender, but he until they
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: call that mother africas. I got a bunch of messages
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: after that happened. Until they call the mando, He's not
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: the mando, Remy says Schofield Senior, already calling Junior the
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: best boxer of all time off of that. Tevin Farmer, Yeah,
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: Jim Cross had a poll. So what level is Jake
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: Paul as a boxer? World level contender? Let a continental
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: level or domestic regional level? And I think most people
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: thought domestic regional level. That's kind of where I had him,
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: But I think he could make an argument for continental.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: I think that would you know, be the highest you
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: know that I would put them. Also, two slicks said,
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: didn't they have like a guy ranked for a while
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: that was dead? I saw Naji had an interview with
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: Gary Gary Antoine Russell. He says a fight with him
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: and Kishon makes sense if he gets a few fights
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: at acclimate him to the wait. But he would welcome
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: the fight. And he's talking about Davis going to going
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: to one. I mean, I don't know about the few fights,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: but like I mentioned, Gary Alsa Junior three and a
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: half years out of the ring, he is returning on
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: that undercard of the Pacquiao and then you know, here
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: we go again with Tyson. I'm looking forward to count
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: contemplating the idea of returning, taking it all on board.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: I'll make a decision within the forthcoming a few months.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: But then we also heard that there's plans for twenty
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: twenty six. April eighteenth. I saw Dan the boxing Man
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: Fury announces that he's returning April eighteenth, twenty twenty six
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: for a third USIK fight. Not I don't need to
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: see a third USIX fight. I just don't. I think
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: it's a waste. I just I think we've seen it.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like, I think he's had his
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: chances and I'd much rather I mean, if you want
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: to come back and fight AJ, you know, cool, but eh,
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I also saw Carlos Lenarrez, Frank Martin,
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: and Rancis Bartholomew in discussion for the Roach Davis August eighteenth.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: Frank you better, I don't know. I don't know. Man,
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: Good to see you back, but you better watch out
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: with that style matchup. I'll tell you that. I will
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: tell you that. Oh and then Chavas Junior got busted
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: by Ice and whether he's guilty of what they say
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: he was or not. I don't know. I haven't looked
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: deeply into it, just to be honest. But the funky
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: thing is why the fuck did they let him fight? Then?
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: You know, why do why do he fight? Then boxer
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: Red Gray Ice waiting to Chavis Junior to box Jake
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: Paul first before resting and started deportation. Uh process sums
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: up how unserious this country is currently. Yeah, because if
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: if you knew where he was, you know what I mean,
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: you knew where he was due, you knew where he was.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was filing all the time, so they're
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: not all the time, but you know, you knew where
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: he was, you knew the gym, you know all that stuff.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, but yeah, I did get a
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: couple mentions or not mentions, but messages about you know,
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: my thoughts on the I'm going through him right now,
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: the befall better be of and you know, I guess
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: it's pushed till early twenty twenty six. It's just it's disappointing.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: It is disappointing. I gotta I gotta say that, because
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: you know, like, what's the point of not having the
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: Benevitas fight that that it's kind of weak. Oh and
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: then so on one hand, I like Rodriguez versus Martinez,
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: Fernando Fernando Puma, you know, and Bam, I like, I
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: like that fight a lot. I don't And if you're
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: gonna plan it, sorry, I got the hiccups. And if
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: you're gonna plan it, cool planet. But maybe I'm just
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: old school or whatever. I don't like announcing the fight
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: and putting it on like the Marquis. You know, I
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: remember when they did this the modru mov and Artis Like,
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: to me, I'm not a big fan of that. Now,
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: maybe Kafu doesn't show up and he gets beat easy.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I do think Baham wins that fight.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: I think he wins it pretty clearly, But I just
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not I could you could say, hey, this is
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: what we're planning next for him, and like I said,
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: Martinez in him that's a great I like that fight
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: a lot, But to me, it's kind of like, don't
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: put him on the poster yet, you know, like you're
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: gonna have a press conference. I'm assuming he's not going
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: to the press conference, but you're gonna have a press
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: conference for the fight, you know, and you're gonna put
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: that on there. I don't know. Bo I saw this
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: per Sabatini box Boaschuck returned September thirteenth. The likely opponent
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: could be a rematch against Brandon Adams, who was doing
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: good in that fight until he wasn't. Somebody asked me,
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: what I think a Sky's stoppage, you know whatever, Like
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: she made the weight, She's more comfortable at a different weight,
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: I guess, But you know, it's like that shit didn't
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: have much resistance. She snapped her neck, you know, with
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: a good punch and all that. But I don't. I
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: just don't look into that much. To be honest with you,
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: I just I really don't. I don't think it's much.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: We got to see more of her, Mike Coppinger. Someone
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 1: sent me this screenshot of saying Turkey tried to make
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: Benavidez bitval that's bullshit. He didn't try to make that fight.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, if he did, he tried just barely. But
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: then he came out and said, I'm not you know,
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not bidden on that shit. So now maybe he
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: didn't like you know, how it went down or whatever,
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: like the belt thing and oh he's the man doo
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: and you know whatever we're calling that fight. Okay, you know,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: to an extent, I get that part, but yeah, I
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: don't know, Jim Cross, what do we got here? What
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: do you say here? Fayez and Murphy was a classic
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: example of what you prefer exactly. Was it the work
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: rate of Murphy or the eye catching shots? Yeah, that's
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: a good way to put it. So, yeah, Turkey's really
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: stuck on this ring thing that shrinks as the fight
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: goes on. It just I don't know. Seventeen he box again.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: You have Martaya and Cruz in negotiations to be on
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: a November card in Riot. So Lefty retweeted this thing.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 1: If smaller rings made a difference, that top ranked card
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: two weeks ago would have had an all all war
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: and at least a knockout.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah that shit exactly.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: I did see Fury saying that Jake Paul and Anthony
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: Joshua was a fifty to fifty fight. He's trawling, dude,
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: He's drolling Berlanga though. He's very confident. I know for
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: a fact I'm going to be the biggest name in boxing,
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: and this dude literally said he's gonna go to heavyweight playoffs. Heavyweight,
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: this is what better be a Batbiev said, I received
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: hundreds of questions about the third fight. That's why I
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: decided to answer here. As you know, the first fight
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: for the Absolute Champion title, the Absolute I like how
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: he put that, took place in October last year. After
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: five years of attempts to unify the belts, blah blah blah.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: It was still it was still successful. The day after
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: the first fight, we agreed on a rematch, which was
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: to take place within four months, despite the fact that
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: you know he had the operation. Ast coach and the
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: doctor were basically saying, don't do it, it's too early.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: After the second fight, I immediately showed interest in an
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: early third fight in the and at first, you know,
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: there were the rumors about the fight in August, but
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: my opponent said in an interview that he wanted to
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: hold it until later autumn, then at the end of
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: the year, and now it's completely unknown. And he ends
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: by saying, how old do I have to be so
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: that we can fight for the third time. I just
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of that. I saw this
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: on brunch Boxing Twitter follow them. Team USA came away
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: with three medals at the World Cup Boxing in Kazakhstan. Perez,
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 1: McCain and Gonzalez. That's a good that's a good look.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: I don't see Berlanga at heavyweight. I mean he may
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: go up there, but I don't see I just think
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: he's hey. More power to him, but I think he's delusional. Oh.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: By the way, Lester Martinez, like I mentioned before the
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: Pro Box main event, he is suffering from migraines. I
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: know this isn't the first time that that's happened. So
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: Jim Cross says, if I hadn't seen the Ottomus fight,
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: I'd be very confident that Cherez beats Berlanga at any right.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: Think Sharaz has got the significantly better skills set of
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: the two. I'm still picking at Shias, but maybe less confident. Yeah,
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. I agree with that. Oh, Emily
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: had a tweet. We lost a fighter over the weekend.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: Pedro Antonio Rodriguez passed away rip away in his hotel
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: room after the fight in our card in Arizona. Police
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: are investigating, but it appears to be unrelated to his fight,
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 1: but we are all heartbroken. So rest in peace there
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that card as it stits right now in
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: Saudi uh for November twenty second, Benevide's Yard, Haini, Norman
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: Abdulah Mason and Sam Noki Noakes Nokis, I can't remember
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: how to say his name. And then Rodriguez Martinez once again,
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: good card. You know, I wouldn't say it's not a
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: good card. You know, I'm not like that, you know,
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: but it's still like eh, so Adrian Delgado. When it
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: comes to Zippata, chakor interesting to see how Shakur handles Zippata.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: He's a neutralizer who controls distance and temple, relying on accuracy,
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: timing and precision. On offense, Zipata's volume will also create
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: opening for Shakur to land effectively, although'll have to go
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: through the fire early. That's well broken down, per usual.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: And then Berlanga, this is what I'm talking about. They
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: asked him why this is boxing news. Why he beats
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: Chiraz Berlanga super explosive IQ, great legs, great jab, great
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: head movement. He's not fucking with me. He doesn't stand
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: a chance. I'm telling you, it's levels to this ship.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: And when you just repeat Mayweather lines, dude, Like that's
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: shit stupid. You know. At least like Browner had his
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: own lines. You know, anybody can get it, you know,
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: like he had his own ship. Dude. I never thought
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: he was anywhere near uh, you know, Mayweather. But at
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: least he had his own swag, dude. Berlanga doesn't have
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: his own swag. Dude. Maybe I'm just fucking old. Anyway,
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: I think that about wraps it up. I am excited
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: for this weekend though, Saturday night, well, Friday night, gonna
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: watch it with with a female because you know she's
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: into it. I mean both things there, but because you
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: know it's female's fighting.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: And then I have some stuff going on for a while.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: But I should be able to see live most of
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: the card, uh Saturday night too. Some of these cards
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: I'll watch late night or the next day or whatever
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: and just stay offline. But I'm looking for forward to it, man.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: You know, I think I think those are some really
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: good fights. You know, David Morell, what's he gonna look
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: like against a power puncher? Does Mattias have enough in him?
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: Can Berlanga hurt Cherez? You know there's a there's a
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: lot going on. Obviously, Taylor and Serrana is the best
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: fight on paper. Anyway, I'm gonna get out of here,
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 1: enjoy the fights this weekend. Back next week.