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Jonathan Vs. Kalila on Smash Boom Best · Heavyweight

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Pushkin. Welcome to the studio, Khalila Holt, producer.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
• 0:25
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm not.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: Saying that you should, but it would sometimes be nice
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  Speaker 1: to be welcomed into the studio myself.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you've always just jumped right in, and I know
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  Speaker 2: you are welcoming me, you don't really give me the opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the studio, Jonathan.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gee, I was taken unawares by that we're here
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: in the studio because we have something a little different,
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  Speaker 1: a special treat Yeah, it's something that was new for
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  Speaker 1: both of us, Khalila and I. We were guests on
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  Speaker 1: a children's debate podcast.
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  Speaker 2: The show is called Smash Boom Best and it's a
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  Speaker 2: favorite of your son, Augius. If I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: Mistaken, Yes, very much so, which is how it kind
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: of got onto my radar. I started enjoying listening to
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: it with him and the host, Molly Bloom is kind
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  Speaker 1: of a celeb in our household, so I was a
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  Speaker 1: little starstruck.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm always wary of children's programming because I
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  Speaker 2: hate the kind of like over the top smiley baby voice,
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  Speaker 2: like to syrap. Yeah, but I started listening to the
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: show in advance of doing this, and I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the show. They're talking to kids at
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  Speaker 2: like a level that respects their intelligence.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, and since we respect you, our
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  Speaker 1: listener's intelligence is it's why we chose to share this
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  Speaker 1: episode Yeah with you all.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be debating phone calls versus texting.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil anything. We went pretty toe
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  Speaker 1: to toe. It got pretty heated during certain moments, but
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  Speaker 1: you know we're here to talk about it. We're still
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  Speaker 1: speaking to one another. So the point is it's always
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: better to use your words rather than a knuckle sandwich
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  Speaker 1: to the throat of your adversary.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, thank you for not giving me a knuckle sandwich
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  Speaker 2: to the throat.
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  Speaker 1: I deliver my knuckle sandwiches with words, songs. Bo We
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of fun doing it, and we hope
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  Speaker 1: you'll enjoy listening to it. And that's all coming up
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  Speaker 1: after these.
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  Speaker 2: Fun words from our sponsors.
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  Speaker 4: Brains On Universe.
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  Speaker 5: From the brains behind brains On, It's smash Boom Best.
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  Speaker 6: The show for people with big opinions.
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  Speaker 7: Hi, I'm Molly Bloom and this is Smash Boom Best,
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  Speaker 7: the show where we take two things, smash them together
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  Speaker 7: and ask you to decide which one is best. Today,
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  Speaker 7: we've got two ways of reaching out. One starts with
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  Speaker 7: a ring, the other a ding. It's calling versus tech.
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  Speaker 7: Whether you like to type or talk, We're sure you'll
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  Speaker 7: have a lot to say about this one, defending the
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  Speaker 7: tradition of talking on the phone. It's a host of
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  Speaker 7: the Heavyweight podcast, Jonathan Goldstein.
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  Speaker 1: How do you do?
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  Speaker 7: And here to hit send for the art of the text,
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  Speaker 7: It's Khalila Holt, producer of the Heavyweight podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, or should I say a handwave emoji?
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  Speaker 7: And here to judge this clash of the communication styles
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  Speaker 7: is none other than Ella from Oregon City. Ella is
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  Speaker 7: on the swim team, plays flute and saxophone, loves to
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  Speaker 7: make art, and has lots of bracelets on both of
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  Speaker 7: her arms. Welcome Ella, Hi, okay Ella. Since it's a podcast,
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  Speaker 7: we cannot see your amazing bracelets, So can you give
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  Speaker 7: us a sense of the scope of your bracelets?
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  Speaker 6: I have probably like twenty five on right now.
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  Speaker 7: Wow, have you made all of them?
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  Speaker 6: I've probably made half of them?
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  Speaker 7: Incredible? What are we talking about? Like like string beads,
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  Speaker 7: all of the above.
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  Speaker 6: All of the above.
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  Speaker 7: Wow, do you have a favorite?
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  Speaker 6: I recently made one with soda tabs and it's really
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  Speaker 6: cool and it's stringy.
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  Speaker 7: That's very impressive. Just soda tabs.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, well, an string.
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  Speaker 7: What is the oldest bracelet that you have on?
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  Speaker 6: I have one that I got in sixth grade and
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  Speaker 6: it says Kindest Ambassador on it and I have worn
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  Speaker 6: it for three years.
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  Speaker 7: It's amazing. So the ones on your arms right now,
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  Speaker 7: are they like an every day? You wear each one
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  Speaker 7: every day? Or do you change it up?
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes I change it up, but most of them might
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  Speaker 6: keep it on like all the time.
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  Speaker 7: Very cool. Okay, So you also make other kinds of
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  Speaker 7: art besides bracelets. What other kind of media do you
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  Speaker 7: use to make art?
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  Speaker 6: I love like drawing and painting and stuff, but I
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  Speaker 6: also like music.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yes, you play saxophone and flute. So I'm wondering
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  Speaker 7: when you're playing flute versus when you're playing saxophone, is
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  Speaker 7: there like a vibe shift that you feel or is
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  Speaker 7: it kind of the same.
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  Speaker 6: It's definitely different vibes because I play more like jazz
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  Speaker 6: music on the saxophone, and then and I do more
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  Speaker 6: like popular songs or like concert music on the flute.
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  Speaker 7: So when you're playing the saxophone, if you said hello
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  Speaker 7: in your like saxophone playing voice, like, what would that
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  Speaker 7: sound like? Oh?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, I'd probably be like hello nice.
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  Speaker 7: And how about your flute playing voice? What would that
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  Speaker 7: hello sound like?
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  Speaker 1: Hello?
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  Speaker 7: Excellent? Excellent? Well will Ella side with texting or phone calls?
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  Speaker 7: Let's see first the rules of the game. Every debate
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  Speaker 7: consists of four rounds, the declaration of greatness, the micro round,
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  Speaker 7: the sneak attack, and the final six. After each round,
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  Speaker 7: our judge Ella will award points to the team that
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  Speaker 7: impresses her the most, but she'll keep her decisions top
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  Speaker 7: secret until the end of the debate. Listeners, we want
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  Speaker 7: you to judge too. Mark down your points as you listen.
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  Speaker 7: At the end of the show, head to our website
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  Speaker 7: smash boom dot org and vote for whichever team you
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  Speaker 7: think one. Okay, Khalila, Ella, and Jonathan are you ready?
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  Speaker 6: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready.
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  Speaker 2: I hope so.
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  Speaker 6: I'm ready too.
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  Speaker 7: Then it's time for the.
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  Speaker 5: Declaration of greatness.
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  Speaker 7: In this round, our debaters will present a well crafted,
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  Speaker 7: immersive argument in favor of their side. Then they'll each
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  Speaker 7: have thirty seconds to rebut their opponent's statements. We flipped
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  Speaker 7: a coin and Jonathan, you're up first. Tell us why
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  Speaker 7: we should answer the call of talking on the phone.
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  Speaker 1: What's the sound of being loved? A heartbeat? No, that's
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  Speaker 1: just body plumbing? Is it someone saying I love you?
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  Speaker 1: I'd argue actions speak louder than words, which is why
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  Speaker 1: to me, the sound of being loved is a phone call.
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  Speaker 1: It says, Hey, I like hearing your voice. I like
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  Speaker 1: the way you laugh, your awkward pauses. It says I
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  Speaker 1: want to spend my precious minutes in real time with you,
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  Speaker 1: even if I can't be there in real life. A
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  Speaker 1: text just says, shoot, I just remembered you asked me
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  Speaker 1: a question yesterday, and I'm going to write you back
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  Speaker 1: while I finish up on the toilet. Phone calls are efficient,
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  Speaker 1: oh sure, Texters will say a text is quick, to
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  Speaker 1: which I say, what are you rushing for? More scrolling
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  Speaker 1: to get to? But also texts can be slow. How
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  Speaker 1: many times have you sent a question then had to
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  Speaker 1: wait for a reply, like say you're planning a picnic.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Chad, where should we meet? Come on right back?
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  Speaker 1: You could be waiting minutes or hours. You have no idea. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: it's been three hours.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Chad says.
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  Speaker 1: Meet at Mini haha Falls?
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  Speaker 2: Sure, but what time? Come on? Just answer me.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the whole thing could have been settled in fifteen
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  Speaker 1: seconds with a call.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Chad, where should we picnic?
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  Speaker 3: How about minni haha falls?
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  Speaker 4: When sis spring cheese and crackers?
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  Speaker 6: Nah?
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  Speaker 2: Fruit pizza?
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  Speaker 5: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Sea later.
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  Speaker 1: That sufficient phone calls avoid confusion. You can hear someone's tone,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's playful, angry, grumpy, or snarky. Texts are so
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  Speaker 1: easy to get wrong.
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  Speaker 7: Is Chad being sarcastic or a jerk?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 7: He sent an emoji to clarify cool guy with shades?
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  Speaker 7: What does that even mean?
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  Speaker 1: Plus what emoticon can replace the sound of human laughter
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  Speaker 1: or that special silence that you know is a smile
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  Speaker 1: on the other end of the line. You can feel
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  Speaker 1: real feelings through a call. I've seen someone stand right
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  Speaker 1: now to me and texts someone rfol and let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you they were not rolling on the floor laughing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say texting is dishonest, but it
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  Speaker 1: does make it easy to lie. There's a famous story
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  Speaker 1: about the first phone call in eighteen seventy six, Alexander
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  Speaker 1: Graham Bell was inventing the phone. So far, he'd only
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  Speaker 1: managed to send snippets of speech, but then he spilled
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  Speaker 1: some acid on his hand in the lab.
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  Speaker 3: Mister Watson, come here, I want you.
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  Speaker 1: He used the phone without realizing it to call his assistant,
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  Speaker 1: and it worked.
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  Speaker 3: Mister Bell, I heard every word you said distinctly.
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  Speaker 1: Is there even a story of the first text message
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  Speaker 1: that's rhetorical? I don't care, because it's definitely not as
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  Speaker 1: good phone calls are memory, like a cousin telling you
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  Speaker 1: about a new baby joining the family, or a friend
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  Speaker 1: comforting you after a breakup. And no wonder. Humans have
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  Speaker 1: been talking and listening to each other's voices for over
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  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand years, way longer than writing. We evolved
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  Speaker 1: to talk and listen, I'd argue, it's one of the
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  Speaker 1: greatest pleasures of being a human. So the call is coming,
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  Speaker 1: the call to enjoy a conversation, not just get to
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  Speaker 1: it next time you're on the toilet. The call to
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  Speaker 1: revel in human voices, the call to say I love you,
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  Speaker 1: not with words but with actions, The call to make
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  Speaker 1: a call. Are you going to answer it?
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  Speaker 7: Well? Said, well, how to do that? Was a heartwarming
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  Speaker 7: declaration of greatness there, Ella, what's it out to you
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  Speaker 7: about Jonathan's are huments.
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  Speaker 6: That actions do speak louder than words.
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  Speaker 7: Very nice? Okay, Khalila, you have thirty seconds to send
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  Speaker 7: Jonathan straight to voicemail, and your thirty seconds starts right now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, man, I don't know if thirty seconds is going
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  Speaker 2: to be enough. First of all, I think that being
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  Speaker 2: loved is about, you know, showing the other person that
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  Speaker 2: you understand what they want. And sometimes that's not always
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  Speaker 2: a phone call. So a lot of people don't like
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  Speaker 2: being called the time thing. I just think that it's
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  Speaker 2: not true that calls are faster. So many times I've
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  Speaker 2: been in a situation where I'm calling, leaving a message,
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  Speaker 2: they don't answer, they call me back, I'm in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of something I can't answer it, they leave a message,
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  Speaker 2: and you know what we always do, We always switch
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  Speaker 2: to texting and time.
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  Speaker 1: I found that surprisingly hurtful. I thought this was just
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  Speaker 1: going to, you know, be about the topics. But that
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  Speaker 1: feels somehow, ad Homine, I don't know why.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome. How did you say it with your mouth? Oh?
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  Speaker 7: My goodness. All right, we have a lot more to
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  Speaker 7: hear coming up. We're gonna hear from Khalila and team texting.
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  Speaker 7: But first break.
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  Speaker 5: Ol smash.
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  Speaker 7: Smash. Okay, we were all ears for phone calls. Khalila,
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  Speaker 7: take it away for texting.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine you call your childhood friend Dot a random Tuesday Hello,
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  Speaker 2: Hey Pal, I'm.
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  Speaker 7: In the middle of like ten things right now, and
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  Speaker 7: I'm holding a jumbo tray of sandwich fixens.
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  Speaker 6: Is everything okay?
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  Speaker 2: Remember that time when we built a sand castle?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: No, the sprouts are slipping?
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  Speaker 1: Are you okay?
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: Remember when we went to Claire's and we got our
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  Speaker 2: ears pierced?
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  Speaker 6: My ears closed up years ago?
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: Did you need something?
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  Speaker 2: Remember how I used to laugh?
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  Speaker 8: I'm sorry?
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  Speaker 2: What is the purpose of this call? I was just
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  Speaker 2: thinking about you.
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  Speaker 5: I have to go. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if she'll ever talk to me again.
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  Speaker 2: But that's the risk I took, calling someone out of
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  Speaker 2: the blue, violating the piece of her day. Let's try
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  Speaker 2: again with a text, Hey Paal, thinking of you? She
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  Speaker 2: wrote back, Ah, it says miss you too. Now we're
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  Speaker 2: both smiling and no days we're ruined. I'm a reporter
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  Speaker 2: making phone calls is part of my job. Cold calls,
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  Speaker 2: as in a call where the person isn't expecting you,
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  Speaker 2: are not fun. Said person answers the phone already feeling annoyed,
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  Speaker 2: and you have to explain who you are and why
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  Speaker 2: you're calling as quickly as possible before they hang up.
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  Speaker 2: A few times have you even been yelled at on
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  Speaker 2: the phone. It's my least favorite part of the job,
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  Speaker 2: and I usually cry.
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  Speaker 5: But the telephone is an incredible invention.
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  Speaker 2: Sure so is the horse drawn carriage. But we have
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  Speaker 2: cars now. We change with the times.
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  Speaker 1: Ugh not me.
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  Speaker 5: I still love my horse and carriage and my phone calls.
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  Speaker 2: Well, great for you, mister retro chic, but for the
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  Speaker 2: rest of us, a phone call causes panic. Maybe twenty
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: years ago, a ringing phone meant something like Marjorie down
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  Speaker 2: the street is inviting you over for homemade cast role.
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  Speaker 2: How charming, the essays though, A call is either spam
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  Speaker 2: your college that cost you two hundred thousand dollars, asking
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  Speaker 2: if you'd like to give them more money, or someone
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  Speaker 2: delivering bad news.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes it's also a butt dial. Those are fun, right
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  Speaker 5: are they?
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  Speaker 2: Five minutes of wrestling? Okay? Plus, have you ever tried
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  Speaker 2: to get off the phone with someone and they keep
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  Speaker 2: dragging it out. It's a whole song and dance of
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  Speaker 2: going okay in a way that's supposed to sound final,
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  Speaker 2: while the other person completely ignores the hint and launches
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  Speaker 2: into a detailed anecdote about new serials on offer at
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  Speaker 2: their grocery store. Text, on the other hand, and whenever
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  Speaker 2: you want them to you just stop responding beautiful, and
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to play phone tech trying to get
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  Speaker 2: an answer. Just send your question and the other person
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  Speaker 2: responds when they can ideal. There's also the matter of
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  Speaker 2: being in public. Someone calls to chat and any random
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  Speaker 2: stranger can listen in on my conversation. I would like
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  Speaker 2: to be able to tell my mom about how I
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: cried over accidentally ordering the wrong breakfast burrito without broadcasting
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  Speaker 2: it to the world. It is simply not the world's business.
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  Speaker 2: And speaking of being in public, we've all been trapped
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  Speaker 2: near someone on a loud phone call. It's a nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: Texting is silent. It is the considerate choice. And here's
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  Speaker 2: something phone calls can never give you a written record.
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  Speaker 2: I can search my texts, find that address someone sent
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  Speaker 2: me three months ago, and double check what time we
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  Speaker 2: said we'd meet, a phone call just evaporates in the
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  Speaker 2: thin air. And finally, texting isn't just words, it's photos, links, voice, memos, emojis,
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  Speaker 2: a whole multimedia experience. Texting is even changing language itself.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're all using new abbreviations and fun emojis to
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  Speaker 2: express ourselves. It's like each one of us is a
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  Speaker 2: modern day Shakespeare, inventing new ways to say things. So,
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  Speaker 2: in conclusion, texting is convenient, considerate, less panicky, and frankly
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  Speaker 2: more creative. Oh it's my childhood friend again, she says. Thanks,
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  Speaker 2: that text brightened by day, and she sent me a
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  Speaker 2: picture of some sandwiches she made. Let me text back
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  Speaker 2: a drool emoji and a heart one too.
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  Speaker 8: Very nicely done. I'm sending you gifts of lots of
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  Speaker 8: people giving high fives.
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  Speaker 7: Way to go. What's it out to you about Kleela's
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  Speaker 7: decoration of greatness?
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  Speaker 6: That, like, she was saying, how calls have to be
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  Speaker 6: at a good time, and how like your texts are
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  Speaker 6: private and like kept you can keep them to yourself.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, Jonathan, it's time for your rebuttal. You've got thirty
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  Speaker 7: seconds to leave Khalila on red and your time starts.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned Shakespeare. I'm trying to remember which play
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: or Sonnet the smiley face was in. You say the
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  Speaker 1: thing about how phone calls evaporate into air. But frankly, like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, all the best things in life, do you know,
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  Speaker 1: like laughter and tears and our own human experiences themselves.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think you know that discounts them. I
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  Speaker 1: think we're I think a lot of what you're saying
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  Speaker 1: I feel very parental if it speaks to our isolation.
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  Speaker 2: I'm anya sure if you want to talk about the
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  Speaker 2: nature immortality, and but I just like to sort of
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  Speaker 2: be able to look back at a nice text later,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, we're just jumping too too
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  Speaker 1: far ahead. I mean, like, why why do anything? You know,
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  Speaker 1: like why sail a paper boat on a on a pond?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Why would you do that?
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  Speaker 1: See, that's the problem right there, in two different languages.
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  Speaker 1: I come from a generation where you know, you beat
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  Speaker 1: a hoop down the street with a stick, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you've your generation has got AI solving all of that.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know about AI, but I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it's a bad thing that we've you know, evolved beyond hoops.
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  Speaker 2: We have other things to play with now than hoops
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  Speaker 2: on streets.
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  Speaker 7: Okite, Okay, Ella, it is time to award some points.
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  Speaker 7: Please give one point to the declaration of greatness that
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: you liked best and one point to the rebuttal that
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  Speaker 7: won you over. You get to decide what makes a
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  Speaker 7: winning an argument. Did one team argue more passionately? Didn't
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  Speaker 7: team have better logic? And wards your points, but don't
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  Speaker 7: tell us who they're going to have you major your decision.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, excellent Cleveland, Jonathan, how are you too feeling so
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  Speaker 2: far feeling confident? I guess it's a weird I'm usually
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  Speaker 2: so conflict avoidant that it's a weird mode for me.
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  Speaker 1: To be in, and I feel like ready to throw
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  Speaker 1: in the towel. I'm like, maybe she's right, Maybe phones
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  Speaker 1: are for phonies.
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  Speaker 7: All right, well, it's time for a quick break. Check
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  Speaker 7: your messages and charge your phone, and.
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  Speaker 6: We'll be right back with more smash boom. Best you're
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: listening to State of Debate Home to rage in rhetoric
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  Speaker 6: and awe inspiring argumentation.
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  Speaker 4: Meow, that's kat for Hello. I'm Taylor Lincoln. Debate Navin
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  Speaker 4: and cat person.
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  Speaker 3: Woof, woof, that's dog for feed me. And I'm Todd Douglas,
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  Speaker 3: the dog Dude and debate power.
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  Speaker 4: Have and we're here at our local animal shelter to
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: cuddle some canines and katy cutis and catch.
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  Speaker 3: Some logical fallacies with our claws and paws.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Logical fallacies are uncool debate techniques that help you lose
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: your debates. And I just snagged a nasty one. Want
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: to hear it?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Oh that's dog for of course. Let's listen in and
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  Speaker 3: see what the cat dragged in.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, look at these little kittens in need of a home.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Oh what do you think, amos? Should I adopt one? Man?
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: Aren't they adorable?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Listen to their little mouse?
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  Speaker 3: I don't really like cats.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Wait what, why?
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  Speaker 7: And why didn't you put that on your dating profile?
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that they're mean, how so because they.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: Can scratch and bite?
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Dogs can also scratch and bite. Oh, this little fur
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: ball seems to love the way I'm petting him.
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  Speaker 3: Because they're just not nice to people. Cats are mean
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: because they're not nice to people.
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  Speaker 4: And they're not nice to people because they're mean.
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  Speaker 3: Our friend just said the same thing twice. That argument
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  Speaker 3: didn't take us anywhere, and that's.
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  Speaker 4: Because it was a circular argument fallacy. That's what a
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: debater ends their point with the argument they started with.
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  Speaker 4: It's an argument that goes around in circles like.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: A dog chasing its tail. Our friend Aimous needs to
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: come up with some fresh ideas about why cats are mean.
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  Speaker 4: Which is a losing argument anyway.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, Taylor. I've had a few gnarly run
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  Speaker 3: ins with my neighbor's cat, Salsolito.
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  Speaker 4: Watch it, Todd mclaus are coming out to.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Quote the great Scooby Doo. Yes, we'll see you next
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  Speaker 3: time on See of the Day Smash Boom at best.
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  Speaker 7: You're listening to Smash boombst. I'm your host, Molly Bloom
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  Speaker 7: and I'm your judge Ella, and we love getting debate
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  Speaker 7: suggestions from our listeners like this one.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, my name is Wyatt.
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  Speaker 5: I'm from Hamford, California. My debate suggestions Monoply versus Shanga.
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  Speaker 6: A game night debate. Why it's not playing with this one.
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  Speaker 7: We'll hear who why I thinks should win at the
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  Speaker 7: end of the show.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: And now back to this debate, calling versus texting.
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  Speaker 7: And now it's time for round two, the.
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  Speaker 1: Micro round.
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  Speaker 7: It's time for a fact off. Khalila and Jonathan will
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  Speaker 7: each get three chances to make a micro argument backed
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  Speaker 7: by a cool factor idea. Jonathan went first last round,
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  Speaker 7: so Khalila, please start us off.
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  Speaker 2: Texting saved a life. In two thousand and eight, British
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  Speaker 2: surgeon David Not was volunteering in the Congo and performed
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: a life saving operation, receiving a step by step surgical
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: instructions via text message. The operation was a success.
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  Speaker 1: So wait, I just have a follow up question about
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: that little fun factoid. So he put down the scalpel
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: in order to be texting away.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have information about the logistics of if I
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: maybe someone was reading them out loud.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right. I do tend to think that if
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: it was just done on a phone, you can get
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  Speaker 1: rid of the middleman and you wouldn't have to have
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: someone reading the text to them out loud. But anyway,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: did you know that phone calls are good for your
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  Speaker 1: mental health? And I've got some studies to prove it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: One study tested how people felt after calling an old
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: friend or just typing to them, and get this even
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: though people were worried that the call would be awkward,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: it wasn't and it brought them closer to their friend.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: And another study found that regular phone calls make people
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  Speaker 1: feel less lonely.
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  Speaker 2: That's nice. It's not quite as good as like saving
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: someone's life. But you know earlier you said there's no
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: story about the first text message. In fact there is.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: The first text message was Merry Christmas, and it was
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: sent from a computer, not a phone. On December third,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, a great year, a twenty two year
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: old software programmer named Neil Papworth, a fun name, set
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the very first text message was sent from a computer
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: because mobile devices weren't yet capable of sending texts at
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the time. The recipient got a very festive surprise on
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: his phone.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: That sounds really jolly.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is jolly.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Wait that they just they looked at their cell phone
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  Speaker 1: and they saw Mary Christmas MM. And there's nothing jolly
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: about that. There's nothing fust without just reading the words
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  Speaker 1: Mary was like in New Courier fond all caps.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that we had that capability at the time.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: It was a new technology. I don't know what's a
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Christmas card. It's writing, Yeah, I know, but.
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  Speaker 1: It's colorful and it's got little pictures and Santa clauses
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  Speaker 1: and reindeer.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It does occur to me though, that you know, if
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: there weren't any phones, there would be any phone lines,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: and where would birds?
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  Speaker 7: Said?
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  Speaker 1: I know that's a non sequitor, but it's just just
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that something that you've ever considered. Where they sit in
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: trees get splinters.
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  Speaker 2: I think their feet are built for that. I don't
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: know that they got splinters.
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  Speaker 8: All right?
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: Fair enough?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Was that your facts were no?
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  Speaker 7: Okay?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Maybe that cancer is a fact.
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: I guess it is a fact.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, here's a question for you. What are you doing
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  Speaker 1: on April twenty fifth? Because I am celebrating National Telephone Day.
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  Speaker 1: It started in nineteen sixty seven in honor of the
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  Speaker 1: one hundred million telephone line being installed in the US.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: To celebrate, they had governors and dignitaries all get on
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  Speaker 1: a party line together and they got gold phones. I
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  Speaker 1: think we need to bring this back because I want
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  Speaker 1: to get on a party line and get a cold phone.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Cold phones is pretty cool, but sitting on a conference
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  Speaker 2: call with a Govnor's sounds actually like a nightmare to me.
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  Speaker 2: All right, well, here's my last fact. In two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and three, AT and T helped American I had all
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  Speaker 2: set up a voting system that relied on text messages
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  Speaker 2: rather than voice calls. At the time, text messaging was
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: still new, and some twenty two percent of respondents to
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: a later poll so they learned to text specifically in
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: order to vote on the show. A reality singing competition
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  Speaker 2: accidentally became one of the biggest drivers of texting adoption
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: in American history.
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  Speaker 1: Now now you're talking about American Idol, right, mm hmm,
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  Speaker 1: and the what is the That's a competition where people sing, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: where people make use of the greatest instrument of all.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: With deference to ella, I'm trying to butter up the
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: judge here. The flute and the saxophone great, but what
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  Speaker 1: better instrument than the human voice? Sure where I'm going
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  Speaker 1: with this.
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  Speaker 2: I see where you're going for a professional singer, but
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: not for any schmoe who's like saying they like a
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: certain singer better than another. I don't think that that
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  Speaker 2: needs to be spoken, could just as easily be typed.
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  Speaker 1: I got a little mini fact. I mean, what do
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  Speaker 1: we call those things that we keep in our pockets.
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  Speaker 1: We don't call them iPhones. We call or rather we
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  Speaker 1: do call them my phone. Don't call them eye texting machines. Right,
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  Speaker 1: that's the that is? Are these facts?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: They are they low blows? Is? I don't know? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even like when you think about the friendships that you have,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the friends, there's kind of a hierarchy, like there's there's
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the friends that you feel like you could pick up
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the phone and call, right and those are usually your
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: closest friends. That's a soft fact.
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  Speaker 7: And the heart much of a fact, but the fact
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  Speaker 7: of the heart, all right, Ella, what's out to you
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  Speaker 7: from this micro around.
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  Speaker 6: That they each had like their strengths, like in texting
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  Speaker 6: you might like do it more often or like with everyone,
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  Speaker 6: and then like calling definitely with like specific people to
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  Speaker 6: show you care about them.
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  Speaker 7: Mm hmmmmmm. All right. Those are a lot of good facts,
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: a lot of good points. But only one team can
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: get a point for this round, so I'll please award
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: a point for this micro round. The decision is completely
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: subjective and completely up to you. Have you made your decision,
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: I have perfect keep it secret and we'll be right
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: back boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom smash.
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  Speaker 7: We're back and we're jumping right in because it's time for.
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  Speaker 6: Sneak Attack.
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  Speaker 7: This is our improvised round where debaters have to respond
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  Speaker 7: to a challenge on the spot. Today's challenge is mystery word.
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: Each debater will get a list of three secret words
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  Speaker 7: and they're going to try to get our judge Ella
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  Speaker 7: to guess the word as fast as she can. So
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: let's say one of my words was milk. I might
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  Speaker 7: say comes from a cow, goes on cereal and Ella
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  Speaker 7: would be like, milk, got it? Does that make sense? Yes?
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  Speaker 7: Fab Okay, so you're gonna have thirty seconds to get
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  Speaker 7: Ella to guess. And Ella, so I want to ask,
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  Speaker 7: are you ready for some guessing?
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: I am.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: I'm very ready.
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  Speaker 7: Okay. So Jonathan, you are going to start us off.
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: You have your words, Okay, get Ella to guess them.
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  Speaker 7: Your time starts now.
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  Speaker 1: So this is something that you would leave on someone's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: phone if you couldn't get a hold of them voicemail
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: very good. And this is the sound that your phone
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: makes when someone's phoning you.
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  Speaker 6: Ding.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: He almost rhymes with ring. Yes, And this is the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: person who is doing the talking you. This is okay.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: You hit a little button mute on your phone when
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you hold it to your face.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: Do you want to make him a guess? I don't
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: know what was the answer, Jonathan Speaker.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't do a very good job.
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: That makes you did great? Okay, Khalila, it is your turn.
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  Speaker 7: You have your words handy ye? All right? Your thirty
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  Speaker 7: seconds begins now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. The little pictures in the text emojis yes, when
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: you are you've got an email. There's options at the
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: bottom and the options are like yep and the thing
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: on the computer that you would use to type keyboard. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a great.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Jobreck, I've never heard this this game show side of you.
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  Speaker 2: A new part of me comes out.
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: Okay, Ella, it is time to award a point. You
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: can decide who gets the point? Did someone get you
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: to guess more? Did someone really connect with you? You know,
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: it's up to you what the criteria are. Have you
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: awarded your point? Yes? Awesome that it's time for our
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: final round, the final six. In this round, each team
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: will have just six words to sum up the glory
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: of their side. Khalila, you're up first. Tell us why
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: you heart emoji texting.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Open your mind, future is now.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, very nice, all right, Jonathan, Last chance to give it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Your all for a call, immediate, intimate, hand and finger free.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: That's kind of a hyphenated one word direct, interactive and fun.
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  Speaker 7: Hmmm, very nice, all right, Ella. It is time to
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: award your final point for this final six. Have you
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: made your decision?
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: I have?
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, all right, tally up those points, Ella?
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: Are you ready to crown one team the smash boom
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: best I am okay, drum roll please, and the winner
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: is texting you.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Next time. If you get instead of a teenage judge,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you get like some seventy year old.
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: Man.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Don't have a fighting chance. Our fingers are just too
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: pudgy and sticky.
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: It's the text.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Why are your fingers so sticky?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: That's my business. I like fudge.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: Me too, Me too, Ella.
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: Was there a moment that really decided things for texting?
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: I think it was probably the sneak attack. It was
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: really really fast. I got it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Khalila really got that game show mode going.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: We locked in, We lockd in.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Very impressive, Jonathan. I always like talking to you. You
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: always make me laugh and I do think you make
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: some good points about the telephone and the intimacy of
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the relationship you can have with someone in voice versus writing, Oh.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: That's really nice, Khalila, you kind of want me over.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I came in here feeling like a little more headstrong
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: about the phone, but I have to admit you kind
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: of want me over some and that is a testament
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to your your debating skill, your persuasiveness, and your velvety
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: dulcet tones.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: You get it.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: That's a little dig, that's a trying to get a
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: little now slammed down top. You don't have to do that,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: but sports sportsmanship.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: On the whole, very gratifying. Thank you.
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: Well, that is it for today's debate battle, Ella Crown
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: texting the smash Boom best.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: But what about you Head to smash Boom dot org
• 34:04
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• 34:07
  Speaker 7: This episode was produced by Me, Molly Boom, Sanchez and
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: Santa Tattan. It was sound designed by Rachel Breese and
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: Mark wrote our theme song. We had engineering help from
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: Adam Lee. Our announcer is Marley for your worker Auto
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: and we want to give us special thanks to Austin
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: Cross and Taylor Kaufman Khalila. Is there anyone you'd like
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: to give a shout out to today?
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'd like to give a shout out to my
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: mom ann Elise, who's one of the few people in
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: my life that I enjoy both phoning and texting equally.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: She's really great in both modes.
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: That's very sweet. And how about you, Jonathan. Any special
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: shout outs?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I want to shout out my nine year old son, Hogey,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: who first introduced me to Smash Boom Best and got
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: me listening to it and he is a big fan.
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: Molly aw thank you Aggie for introducing your dad and Ella.
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: Any special things for shout outs?
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Shout out my dad for being here in my absolutely,
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: shout out whoever you want. Then I shout out my
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: dad for being here and helping nice.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: And before we go, let's check in and see who
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: whyatt think should win the debate between Monopoly and Jenga.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: I think Monopoly would win because it's longer than in
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: that age.
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: If you're between the ages of thirteen and eighteen and
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: you'd like to be a judge, or if you're any
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: age and you have an idea for a knockdown, drag
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: out debate. Head to smash boom dot org slash contact
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: and drop us a line. We'll be back next week
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: with a new Smash Boom Best episode, Dandelions versus Orchids.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: Bye, Smell La, Farewell, Liberty, Giblets, slash.
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: Slash.
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  Speaker 1: It's slash book Best, It's slash Boom Best.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I also hate that you said, how do you do?
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Profinitely that's why I did.
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: That was special for you anyway.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: And we haven't even started debating yet.
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: Yah,