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Finding beauty and living authentically | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is Germ Warfare, the Battle
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Speaker 1: of Ideas. Okay, we are recording. Michael was just saying
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Speaker 1: before I hit the record button, you look crumpy.
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Speaker 2: Crumpy.
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Speaker 1: I am not grumpy. Okay, I'm not grumpy. I'm going
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Speaker 1: into the bush this week, so I hope you are.
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Speaker 3: Very I suggest I suggest you stay there.
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Speaker 2: Wow, because I record the hell of a hard card, right.
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Speaker 1: But you know, you know, I mean, I can't say
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Speaker 1: jokes aside because it's still is it still is humorous.
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Speaker 1: But walking the talk is something that I am trying
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Speaker 1: very hard to do, you know, the last five or
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Speaker 1: six years of pushing back against a lot of these
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Speaker 1: these establishment narratives that are designed to depress us and
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Speaker 1: to confine us, and to make us feel worse than
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Speaker 1: what we are, you know, make us feel like ze bugs.
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Speaker 1: And I know that it's difficult for perhaps you in
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Speaker 1: the UK and others, maybe in the northern parts of
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Speaker 1: Europe or whatever. I have the opportunity to go into
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Speaker 1: you know, the bush and to the sunshine and all
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I wonder there obviously are ways
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Speaker 1: in which people in you know, your rainy, snowy kind
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Speaker 1: of environment can still find happiness in terms of nature, Arthur.
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Speaker 4: Well, when it stops really look, I'll be honest with you,
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Speaker 4: I never objected to rain. I mean I grew up
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Speaker 4: in Northern Ireland, as you know, and rain's there pretty
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Speaker 4: much permanently, so you know, going out for walks in
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Speaker 4: damp really days is I always actually quite enjoy it.
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Speaker 3: It has its own appeal, it.
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Speaker 5: Does absolutely And as the as the adage goes, there's
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Speaker 5: no such thing as the wrong weather, just the wrong kid.
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Speaker 5: So I think, you know, people who are unable to
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Speaker 5: see beauty in conditions that aren't clear bright blue skies
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Speaker 5: are just missing out, especially if they're in the British Isles,
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Speaker 5: because predominantly those aren't the conditions that we have. And
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Speaker 5: I think part of part of the joy of being
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Speaker 5: here if you were to take joy from it, which
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Speaker 5: of course I think you should not just with that,
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Speaker 5: but with everything in life. Otherwise, what's the point. Part
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Speaker 5: of the joy is the is the changeability?
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Speaker 4: I mean.
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Speaker 5: The stereotype bri it's talking about the weather. Well, I
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Speaker 5: mean the reason for that is because you can't unless
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Speaker 5: you are particularly good at your own sort of personal forecasting,
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Speaker 5: You just you can't tell what's going to happen next,
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Speaker 5: and you might easily get four seasons in a day
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Speaker 5: or four seasons in an hour, and there is I
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Speaker 5: think there is a pleasure to be derived from that.
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Speaker 5: But also I mean again it depends what you're surrounded
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Speaker 5: by and what signs you can see elsewhere, I mean
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Speaker 5: personally by being in the countryside. I think the signs
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Speaker 5: that one gets from nature as to what is happening
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Speaker 5: are just totally and utterly fascinating. And every you know,
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Speaker 5: every year, something will happen differently or in a different
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Speaker 5: order or at a slightly different time, and there is
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Speaker 5: huge joy to be taking from that. And I think
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Speaker 5: the same absolutely applies in urban you know, most urban areas,
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Speaker 5: because there are of course parks and trees and bur
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Speaker 5: and this that and the other, spring visitors and whatnot.
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Speaker 2: So there's always something. It's just a question of being
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Speaker 2: able to find it.
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Speaker 5: And I think that's I think it's really indicative of
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Speaker 5: the way that lives, people's lives have gone that actually
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Speaker 5: a lot of this is shut off. There's UK Columns
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Speaker 5: about to publish an article by Neil Harrison, another absolutely
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Speaker 5: fantastic article, but it deals with what's called cognitive well
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Speaker 5: actually what should be called cognitive degeneration, but often isn't
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Speaker 5: because that's deemed to be a bit sort of much,
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Speaker 5: a bit heavy handed. But it's this, you know, we've
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Speaker 5: talked about it quite a lot, the brain being shut
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Speaker 5: off by all this stuff that just works for you
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Speaker 5: AI being the most obvious example, but by no means
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Speaker 5: the only one. I mean, just think the number of
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Speaker 5: times that people have now foregone trying to memorize a
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Speaker 5: route somewhere, or not even try and look on a map.
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Speaker 5: You just get a gizmo to tell you, you know,
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Speaker 5: our turn left here, turn right here, no idea and
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Speaker 5: these things. You know, we we can have these conversation
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Speaker 5: where it's not really taken very seriously, but in actual fact,
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Speaker 5: there absolutely is an effect to all of this, and
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Speaker 5: I think this is part of it, just not being
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Speaker 5: aware of what's around you. And again the reason it's significant,
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Speaker 5: and I think particularly for our audience, is that it
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Speaker 5: explains to us in large part why, for example, in
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty, so many in the population just believed what
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Speaker 5: they were told because they weren't looking at the signs
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Speaker 5: around them. So I think there was a really serious
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Speaker 5: message to be brought out of this.
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Speaker 1: Just for clarity, because this is a slightly differently timed conversation.
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Speaker 1: You said an article about to come out. By the
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Speaker 1: time this comes out, that article will probably have come out,
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Speaker 1: that will have come out.
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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, that is true. Well done, good point. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 5: But of.
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Speaker 4: Course, Jahn, what we don't have that I'm deeply envious
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Speaker 4: off in a certain sense is the skill of wellness
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Speaker 4: that you have in South Africa and the skill of
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Speaker 4: the animals that inhabited.
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Speaker 1: Look, I was obviously being a bit facetious, but Charles,
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Speaker 1: you were saying that. Well, you were making the point
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Speaker 1: about adapting to what you have. For example, in the US,
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Speaker 1: I was reading a statistic. If it's true not, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, but let's just assume that it is right
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Speaker 1: around twenty five or twenty four percent of all American
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Speaker 1: women on antidepressants or on some form of mental stability medication,
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Speaker 1: and I think round to ten to eleven percent of
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Speaker 1: American men. Now, the US has a lot of sun
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Speaker 1: generally speaking, this is obviously, in my view, I think
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Speaker 1: a top down attempt to also suppress happiness and enjoy
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Speaker 1: because I think most of those prescriptions are completely unnecessary.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, as to the rest of the statistics,
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't have a clue, But let's just say for
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Speaker 5: the sake of argument, that they are near enough to
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Speaker 5: the mark. I mean, I think the impression that I've
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Speaker 5: always had is that the American population is medicated beyond
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Speaker 5: any other on the face of the earth. I think
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Speaker 5: that's the case, And actually I can't believe these days
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Speaker 5: that the United Kingdom population is too far behind.
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Speaker 2: So I think it plays into both things.
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Speaker 5: I mean, like any of these sorts of ranges of
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Speaker 5: products that we shouldn't really be going anywhere near they are.
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Speaker 5: Pharmaceuticals are perfect, of course, because for every one, you
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Speaker 5: can probably guarantee that you're going to be able to
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Speaker 5: sell another two or three, because the side effects or whatever,
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Speaker 5: you know, whatever conditions result from the taking of the
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Speaker 5: first one must obviously be balanced out by the next
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Speaker 5: ones and so on forever and ever. But yes, I mean,
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Speaker 5: I don't think it can be any coincidence that as
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Speaker 5: part of that, you know, you're absolutely tapping into people's
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Speaker 5: very sort of core sensitivities and sensibilities and shutting them
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Speaker 5: downs first of all, so they never realized that the
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Speaker 5: drug that they're taking they shouldn't be taking. But yes,
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Speaker 5: also so that all those things are true, and that
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Speaker 5: they probably don't derive the joys from life that they should,
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Speaker 5: which again I think makes them makes people much more
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Speaker 5: susceptible to all the sorts of narratives that are used
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Speaker 5: primarily to control people. And fear, of course is the
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Speaker 5: is the greatest, and it's very easy to put fear
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Speaker 5: into somebody if they're not going to properly appraise what
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Speaker 5: it is that you're saying and consider its own merits
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Speaker 5: and above all think is that true. So yes, I
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Speaker 5: mean that's a terrifying statistic. Sorry, Mike No.
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Speaker 4: I was just going to say, of course, it's not
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Speaker 4: just the human population which is the most medicated on
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Speaker 4: the planet. That's also the farm actual population as well.
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Speaker 4: And of course that's where the problem probably starts, Charles,
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Speaker 4: because people are conssuming products that are medicated, not just
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Speaker 4: animal products are there, but that are medicated.
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Speaker 3: To the degree that they are, then.
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Speaker 4: They probably have a greater need for, or at least
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Speaker 4: they perceive that they have a greater need for the
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Speaker 4: pharmaceutical product. And it's it's a massive cartel, perhaps Goscha
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Speaker 4: in fact.
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Speaker 1: Just to feed into what you're saying. Varmit Angus, who
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Speaker 1: has often made this point, This says, around ninety percent
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Speaker 1: of all antibiotics and vaccines go to agriculture and only
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Speaker 1: ten percent go to humans.
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Speaker 3: Think about that, Mike, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 5: If actually was just just on that given the sort
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Speaker 5: of the ratio of people to animals. Again, and not
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Speaker 5: sorry because having mentioned him, his other work is springing
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Speaker 5: into my head. But another excellent article of Neil Harrison's
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Speaker 5: was about the just the amazing con that's pulled on
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Speaker 5: the climate change front with farming being you know, the
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Speaker 5: demon because via the breeding and keeping of live stock,
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Speaker 5: we're we're emitting all this stuff, all these warming gases
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Speaker 5: into the environment. And of course the point he makes
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Speaker 5: is that, well, we're only able to do that because
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Speaker 5: we've basically cleared away all the natural herds of animals
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Speaker 5: that existed in such large numbers. So I mean, you know,
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Speaker 5: let's think of your trip to the Krueger. Now, yeah,
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Speaker 5: you will see, one hopes, a great array and great
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Speaker 5: quantities of wildlife, but nothing like there would have been
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Speaker 5: one hundred years ago, and nothing like that it would
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Speaker 5: have been two hundred years ago and so that, but
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Speaker 5: go back far enough and the planes, you know, what
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Speaker 5: we'd referred to as planes game now, would have been
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Speaker 5: absolutely it would have dwarfed farming, farm, livestock in all likelihood.
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Speaker 5: So therefore, how is it that we're saying that that
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Speaker 5: the whatever gas is coming out of these ones are
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Speaker 5: completely different from you know, all the other ruminants that
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Speaker 5: would have existed. I mean, anyway, the whole thing is
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Speaker 5: just it is just just nuts. But of course, like
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Speaker 5: you say, with the very many ways in which people
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Speaker 5: are sedated, either by chemical inducement or the sort of
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Speaker 5: visual or audio cues, that it's it's easy to see
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Speaker 5: how we've ended up in this predicament.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I pulled up something while you were talking.
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Speaker 1: Just you were alluding to antidepressants and depression or whatever
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Speaker 1: in the UK. So this is data from the BMJ
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Speaker 1: and Cambridge. So it says, y'ah. Whilst the UK shows
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Speaker 1: approximately eleven percent of women on antidepressants based on twenty
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Speaker 1: eighteen data, the US reports around twenty four to twenty
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Speaker 1: five percent of American women are currently being treated for
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Speaker 1: antidepression or there's an over prescription going on here. So
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Speaker 1: the UK's overall prescription rate of nearly twenty percent of
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Speaker 1: adults represents one of the highest antidepressant usage rates in
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Speaker 1: the world.
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Speaker 4: So they're not just prescribing antidepressants for depression. They're also
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Speaker 4: just prescribing antidepressants for things like irritable ball syndrome, which
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Speaker 4: is like a casual term which means we don't know
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Speaker 4: what the issue is. But let's say one of your
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Speaker 4: symptoms of IBS is stomach cramps. They have discovered that
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Speaker 4: antidepressants reduce the crampiness of stomach cramps, so they're starting
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Speaker 4: to prescribe those for that as well. So there's people
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Speaker 4: on this type of medication that aren't, you know, clinically
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Speaker 4: or otherwise depressed.
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Speaker 1: But this brings up yet again the importance of understanding
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Speaker 1: how the pharmaceutical industry is keeping people sick.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's that's that's its business model. It can't exist
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Speaker 4: without sick people, yea, and all that, right, But you are, of.
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Speaker 1: Course, yeah, but it has it has repercussions. It's not
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Speaker 1: just like that, for example. So in other words, the
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Speaker 1: reason why I was looking up these daughter points is
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Speaker 1: because I was having a discussion with somebody saying, but
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Speaker 1: why would you want to bring up kids now in
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Speaker 1: this in this world? You know, look look at what's
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Speaker 1: going on in Run and these all these wars and
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Speaker 1: and with COVID and all this. I mean, it's just
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Speaker 1: it's just it's the end times, you know. And now
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Speaker 1: we see that Trump is being prayed for, and now
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Speaker 1: they've turned this whole thing into a religious war, and
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Speaker 1: there's so much fear mongering that it's so difficult to
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Speaker 1: have a discussion with somebody saying, well, actually having a
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Speaker 1: family is still a win.
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Speaker 4: Not only that, you know, it's not it's not just
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Speaker 4: I mean, part of the problem here, I think isn't
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Speaker 4: the fact that kids are being brought into a terrible world.
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Speaker 4: It's it's the fact that kids are being brought into
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Speaker 4: terrible world and then kind of just.
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Speaker 3: Left to it.
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Speaker 4: So, you know, the the the passive parenting that goes
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Speaker 4: on these days is a big part of the problem.
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Speaker 4: And of course, if we want, if we want a
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Speaker 4: better world for the next generation, we've got to bring
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Speaker 4: up kids that actually have an understanding of what that
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Speaker 4: better world might look like. And we can't do that
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Speaker 4: if from the age of eighteen months, we shove an
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Speaker 4: iPad in their hands and say have at it.
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Speaker 3: That is how it works. And so you know, it's this.
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Speaker 4: Unfortunately because you know, we're sort of coming back to
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Speaker 4: the same type of conversation we've had before. But this
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Speaker 4: comes down to the choices that we make personally, not
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Speaker 4: even not just about whether we have children, but how
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Speaker 4: we're then going to bring those children up. And you know,
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Speaker 4: you know, if if the answer to that is well, yeah,
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Speaker 4: internet and mainstream school is a solution, then of course
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Speaker 4: that's no solution at all.
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Speaker 3: Probably better not to have them. But if if.
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Speaker 4: The if the the attitude of the parent is well,
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Speaker 4: you know, there is value in having children. There's value
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Speaker 4: that they they will absolutely have a great life if
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Speaker 4: there if they have the right you know, views of
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Speaker 4: the world as they're growing up, and then you know,
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Speaker 4: I think that's uh, absolutely still a legitimate thing to do,
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Speaker 4: because there's still an opportunity for for you know, making
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Speaker 4: a difference.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Charles, you you live out on the countryside,
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Speaker 1: I mean if you if you just switch off from
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Speaker 1: social media and you go outside with your kids when
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Speaker 1: the sun is shining, it's still it's still a good time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always a good time.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think I look at it the other way, right,
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Speaker 5: My my default position is absolutely to be switched off
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Speaker 5: from social media. So it's a it's a it's a
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Speaker 5: conscious decision too to look at it. And I think
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Speaker 5: that it's something that I have found very noticeable ever
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Speaker 5: since the advent of email, which, you know, being old
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Speaker 5: enough to remember what it was like when stuff just
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Speaker 5: came in the post is a great privilege because my
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Speaker 5: thinking on it is that when the post physical post arrives,
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Speaker 5: it is basically up to you to decide when you're
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Speaker 5: going to open that and when you're going to deal
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Speaker 5: with it. But what it I mean, I think sort
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Speaker 5: of from memory. What it helped to do was to
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Speaker 5: create a conscious process by which you would you'd open
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Speaker 5: your posts and you'd respond to whatever it is that
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Speaker 5: needed dealing with, right then you'd put other stuff into
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Speaker 5: a separate thing, you know, sort of pending for later
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Speaker 5: or whatever it is. Email, if not immediately, certainly fairly
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Speaker 5: quickly utterly changed that. I mean, first of all, because
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Speaker 5: things that should really have been telephone calls turned into emails,
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Speaker 5: which was one of the greatest robbings of our time ever,
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Speaker 5: but actually then it was stuff that should have really
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Speaker 5: come in a letter in a paper letter was then
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Speaker 5: sent by email. And the problem is that now we
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Speaker 5: tend to have this constant barrage where you are in
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Speaker 5: the middle of doing one thing and then something pings
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Speaker 5: or something rings or whatever it is, and you get
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Speaker 5: completely disrupted from whatever from what that is. And of
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Speaker 5: course because everything is now last minute, because everyone's lost
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Speaker 5: the ability to plan and think ahead, then there's a
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Speaker 5: sort of battle of priorities. And all of this is
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Speaker 5: terribly terribly confusing, but it does mean that there is
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Speaker 5: If you don't watch it, you are totally a slave
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Speaker 5: to all of that. And so to go back to
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Speaker 5: your question, I try very consciously to do it the
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Speaker 5: other way around, which is that I will be disciplined
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Speaker 5: about when I do look at this or when I
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Speaker 5: do check that, in order that you actually to make
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Speaker 5: sure that your brain is in the right place. Is
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Speaker 5: it because you're actually much more efficient and much more
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Speaker 5: effective when you're mentally prepared for whatever it is you're
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Speaker 5: going to do, whereas if you're if you're in the
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Speaker 5: middle of one thing and you do get a ping
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Speaker 5: or whatever, and you you divert to the thing that's
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Speaker 5: disrupted you. In my opinion, you're not going to deal
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Speaker 5: with it nearly as effectively as if you go through
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Speaker 5: you know, essentially there's a methodology that sets out right,
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Speaker 5: I will deal with this and then I will deal
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Speaker 5: with that. I'm not talking about being totally rigid and unflexible,
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Speaker 5: of course I'm not. But but but I would say
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Speaker 5: that's the that's the way to do it. And so yes,
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Speaker 5: back to your if you are, you know, in the countryside, whatever,
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Speaker 5: you absolutely what, no matter the circumstances, you're able to
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Speaker 5: enjoy and appreciate and cryptically to observe and notice things
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Speaker 5: that are there, and that I think is what people
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Speaker 5: have lost. I remember I may have said this before
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Speaker 5: on the Banter Session, but one anecdote that encapsulates this
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Speaker 5: for me was taking a journey into London a couple
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Speaker 5: of years ago, and I was on a bus and
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Speaker 5: obviously you're high up, so you can you get a
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Speaker 5: very good view of all the people and the cars
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Speaker 5: and everything sort of downe blue and we sat at
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Speaker 5: we were sitting at traffic lights quite near getting into
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Speaker 5: the coach station, and there was a girl waiting at
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Speaker 5: a sort of crossing point where there was a traffic
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Speaker 5: light and there was a green You know, you have
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Speaker 5: to wait for the man to go green to be
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Speaker 5: able to cross. Just say, for people who don't know
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Speaker 5: the United Kingdom, there's no issue with crossing a road here,
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Speaker 5: either away from a crossing point or if the man
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Speaker 5: is not the right color. It's just that when you
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Speaker 5: see the green man, you know that the traffic lights
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Speaker 5: has stopped the traffic, so here you hopefully I'm not
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Speaker 5: going to get squashed anyway. I I stilldn't watch this girl,
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Speaker 5: and we were there for absolutely age of me classics
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Speaker 5: sort of London hold up the traffic thing, you know,
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Speaker 5: the red lights on perhaps anyway, she waited and waited
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Speaker 5: and waited and waited, and there was only one possible
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Speaker 5: way that any traffic could have been coming from really
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Speaker 5: really good visibility.
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Speaker 2: But she didn't even look.
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Speaker 5: She didn't think, Okay, how much longer am I going
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Speaker 5: to have to stand here before that little man turns
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Speaker 5: from being red to green? Am I going to do
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Speaker 5: anything at all to change the outcome here? And the answer,
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Speaker 5: to my astonishment was no. She just looked and looked
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Speaker 5: at the at the little red man and waited for
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Speaker 5: it to go green. In all that time, not a
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Speaker 5: single vehicle past her. So I know it sounds stupid,
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Speaker 5: and you know, I'm sure she's lovely and all that fine,
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Speaker 5: but one does wonder how the rest of her life
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Speaker 5: will turn out if she is prepared to to, you know,
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Speaker 5: sort of scrutinize a situation to such a pathetic degree.
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Speaker 5: But that that little anecdote, sort of silly as it
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Speaker 5: may seem, I think speaks volumes about the society that
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Speaker 5: we live in now and how we have been conditioned
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Speaker 5: by all these things, and how you know, if until
21:21
Speaker 5: the computer says do this, you just don't do it.
21:25
Speaker 2: I mean that we're talking pretty desperate.
21:27
Speaker 1: Sorry. Sorry, Yeah, you mentioned receiving a Latin and male
21:33
Speaker 1: and it made me realize also that that's something that's
21:37
Speaker 1: not going to be in the future. So in our street,
21:40
Speaker 1: this is a guy who imported one of those red
21:45
Speaker 1: British post boxes. Now he literally imported from the UK.
21:47
Speaker 1: It it apparently is an old red those round I
21:51
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what you call him, but
21:52
Speaker 1: it's you know what I'm talking about. It's the postbox, okay,
21:55
Speaker 1: which belonged to a certain post office in the UK
21:58
Speaker 1: that shut down. I don't know the full history. He's
22:00
Speaker 1: got a lot of money. He decided he wanted that
22:02
Speaker 1: exact post box, and so he imported it and he
22:05
Speaker 1: installed it in the front of his house here in
22:08
Speaker 1: our street, just as a as an esthetic. And I
22:13
Speaker 1: remember as a kid watching Postman Pat. Now my kids
22:18
Speaker 1: will probably watch Postman Pat too, but they'll have no
22:21
Speaker 1: idea what it means, because letters will be a thing
22:24
Speaker 1: of the past very soon. There really mostly are, and
22:31
Speaker 1: there isn't really a way to stop that. But it's
22:33
Speaker 1: kind of sad.
22:35
Speaker 5: I think it's extremely sad, and I think I felt
22:39
Speaker 5: like we talked about this before. I mean, my my
22:41
Speaker 5: hope actually is that somebody will come from this sort
22:46
Speaker 5: of a position and then get a grip of it
22:49
Speaker 5: and create a service that is viable and that people
22:53
Speaker 5: will get back into it, because I think, I I,
22:55
Speaker 5: you know, we see this with a lot of other things.
22:59
Speaker 5: I mean, it started. I'm sorry, no, it didn't start.
23:01
Speaker 5: But if you think some years ago, there was a
23:05
Speaker 5: there was a massive increase in interest in vinyl records.
23:09
Speaker 5: You know, people wanted to have records. They were I've.
23:12
Speaker 1: Got a whole bunch of Yeah.
23:13
Speaker 2: Yeah.
23:14
Speaker 5: I mean I've I've always had records and never never
23:16
Speaker 5: got rid of any and they are absolutely wonderful.
23:18
Speaker 2: There's no substitute.
23:19
Speaker 5: But I think people had just got bored of the
23:23
Speaker 5: just everything not really physically existing, you know, it's just
23:26
Speaker 5: all this digital stuff where you don't you never get
23:27
Speaker 5: to hold that, you never get to have it. So
23:28
Speaker 5: I think we're seeing that we're seeing a similar movement
23:31
Speaker 5: with with printed material, which is exactly why we're going well,
23:36
Speaker 5: one of the strong reasons we're going back into print
23:39
Speaker 5: with our magazine that's coming out shortly and all of that.
23:42
Speaker 5: And I see it as a as an extension of that.
23:45
Speaker 5: You know, you can't well, you're not gonna you're not
23:48
Speaker 5: going to keep an email for posterity in the same
23:51
Speaker 5: way a frame an email. You're not going to sort
23:54
Speaker 5: of take care over how you respond to it. It's
23:56
Speaker 5: just it is not the same. I think people are
23:58
Speaker 5: really really missing out and and I very much hope
24:02
Speaker 5: that as part of the emergence from this extraordinary state
24:07
Speaker 5: that we've entered into, that this is one of the
24:10
Speaker 5: things that pulls us back out of it. Actually, funnily enough,
24:13
Speaker 5: oddly just on the desk in front of me, because
24:15
Speaker 5: it wasn't stamped properly. I'm just going to hold up
24:17
Speaker 5: a picture that you will recognize.
24:21
Speaker 2: Look at that.
24:22
Speaker 5: So that's the that's before it was moved or rebuilt.
24:26
Speaker 5: That's the Eddy Stone Lighthouse. I'm just showing the what
24:29
Speaker 5: is now Smeaton's Tower on the hoe in Plymouth, which
24:32
Speaker 5: to all UK column viewers of course is iconic and
24:35
Speaker 5: instantly familiar.
24:36
Speaker 2: But you know that's the other parts of it.
24:38
Speaker 5: I mean, stamps are so beautiful, there's so and again
24:41
Speaker 5: this is like lost skills. If you look at people's letters,
24:45
Speaker 5: particularly say letters sort of from the trenches or this
24:48
Speaker 5: something that they always annotated with little sketches, and people
24:52
Speaker 5: would sort of decorate the the fronts of their letters
24:55
Speaker 5: with little sort of pen and ink drawings and all
24:57
Speaker 5: that kind of thing. I mean, we are we are
25:00
Speaker 5: just absolutely trashing our whole sort of skill base by
25:04
Speaker 5: not doing any of these things. And I think that's
25:06
Speaker 5: the other for me, that's the other really significant part
25:08
Speaker 5: of it, because what is it that you do. You know,
25:10
Speaker 5: with a letter, you're having to think onto the paper
25:13
Speaker 5: with a pen or pencil, and that's that Again, there's
25:17
Speaker 5: so many sort of cognitive and motor skills that are
25:20
Speaker 5: being deployed in doing that, and we're just not We're
25:24
Speaker 5: not entering into that zone anymore if we don't do it.
25:27
Speaker 1: Can you still write in cursive?
25:30
Speaker 4: I can't. I have to admit it is a regret.
25:34
Speaker 4: But I writing my writing used to be, you know,
25:39
Speaker 4: absolutely clear. I can barely write anymore. It is very,
25:43
Speaker 4: very sad.
25:44
Speaker 2: Okay, that is interesting.
25:46
Speaker 4: I know.
25:46
Speaker 5: I write everything down, as Mike will testify. And yeah,
25:52
Speaker 5: I mean, Charles.
25:55
Speaker 3: You the besttion of hope. Well, it's true. It's true.
26:00
Speaker 3: Charles is the bastie.
26:01
Speaker 4: And I hope you said earlier about Charles's kids going
26:06
Speaker 4: out in the sunshine. How about that Charles kids Gouiet
26:09
Speaker 4: no matter what's going on, and you know that they
26:12
Speaker 4: are absolutely the some of the most how do I
26:19
Speaker 4: put this? Absolutely their attitudes to life are absolutely right
26:25
Speaker 4: as far as I can see.
26:28
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean I think the thing is it's
26:33
Speaker 5: not this is not well, it is bloody minded because
26:36
Speaker 5: this is done in the face of considerable pressure to
26:38
Speaker 5: do otherwise. But I certainly don't adopt a particular method
26:42
Speaker 5: of living life through simple bloody mindedness. I do it
26:46
Speaker 5: because to me it delivers the greatest return I derive
26:52
Speaker 5: or other. I know exactly what I derive pleasure from,
26:55
Speaker 5: and it is all the things that we have just
26:57
Speaker 5: been talking about. So yes, I will take in normal
27:00
Speaker 5: pleasure in whatever the weather throws at me. And in
27:03
Speaker 5: actual fact that the worse it gets, the more sort
27:07
Speaker 5: of perverse enjoyment one can even take from. I mean,
27:09
Speaker 5: there's always there's always something you can take from a situation.
27:14
Speaker 5: So yes, And and you know, whether it be sketching
27:19
Speaker 5: or writing or any of those things, I think it's
27:21
Speaker 5: it's just it's because it's it's all still real and
27:25
Speaker 5: and that that will never change, so you know, and
27:29
Speaker 5: I think what's tragic is that younger generations, so many people,
27:34
Speaker 5: even if my impier.
27:34
Speaker 2: Group, actually have just lost sight of this.
27:36
Speaker 5: So I think going back to what I was saying
27:38
Speaker 5: about the advent of email and it coming in, and
27:40
Speaker 5: it's just this, you know, it is the bald frog
27:42
Speaker 5: where you look up twenty years later and you realize
27:45
Speaker 5: you've just lost touch with all the sorts of things
27:47
Speaker 5: that you used to do and that used to be
27:49
Speaker 5: on top of and the skills you used to have
27:51
Speaker 5: and I know, I mean, I think for me personally, Yeah,
27:54
Speaker 5: it's a lot of it's been a conscious choice. A
27:56
Speaker 5: lot of it's been sort of incidental circumstance, being in
27:59
Speaker 5: places where I haven't necessarily had access to any of
28:01
Speaker 5: those sorts of things. But no, I mean, isn't it funny?
28:04
Speaker 5: And I actually I can still remember talking of Angus Macintosh,
28:09
Speaker 5: farmer Angus, because I stayed with his family when I
28:11
Speaker 5: first met Angus back in ninety six, And I can
28:13
Speaker 5: still remember tapping away on the Macintosh family typewriter whilst
28:19
Speaker 5: I was staying there to send some letters off.
28:21
Speaker 2: So there we go.
28:22
Speaker 5: That's a funny one, isn't it. But yeah, all these joys.
28:27
Speaker 1: No, well, the thing is, I mean, I know we
28:28
Speaker 1: are vending, but we actually are touching on I think,
28:31
Speaker 1: very very pivotal talking points here, because this is how
28:35
Speaker 1: you can not be defeated. I went for a walk
28:38
Speaker 1: earlier before this recording with my son. I mean, it's
28:42
Speaker 1: very hot yet it's currently thirty degrees and we stay
28:45
Speaker 1: on a farm and I took him to the chickens
28:48
Speaker 1: and it was just beautifully quiet. And until I've got
28:54
Speaker 1: a WhatsApp from you Charles saying see you in a
28:56
Speaker 1: few minutes.
29:00
Speaker 2: Just use of social media.
29:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that there, it's that sense of beauty and
29:08
Speaker 1: serenity that still for me gives a lot of hope.
29:12
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the same in Stockholm or
29:14
Speaker 1: in New York or whatever, but but for me, it's
29:18
Speaker 1: still it still matters. And that's also why I love
29:20
Speaker 1: living here, despite the fact that I have a completely
29:24
Speaker 1: broken infrastructure, but I have a sense of freedom in
29:28
Speaker 1: that broken infrastructure that makes sense.
29:31
Speaker 2: I think it does.
29:32
Speaker 5: I was already thinking about this or the things that
29:37
Speaker 5: pertain to this coming back from the trip that we
29:41
Speaker 5: made to China last last month, and.
29:47
Speaker 2: There will be other.
29:48
Speaker 5: Elements to it, but one thing that really struck me
29:51
Speaker 5: in the airport coming back into Heathrow was an almost
29:56
Speaker 5: tangible sense of tension that the word that came to
30:01
Speaker 5: mind and that I feel is absolutely absent in so
30:06
Speaker 5: many other countries, and it's.
30:10
Speaker 2: A little bit hard to describe.
30:11
Speaker 5: You just just looking around people's faces that he Throw airport,
30:14
Speaker 5: there's just a sense of sort of anxiety or that
30:18
Speaker 5: they've you know, people have got to get to this
30:20
Speaker 5: place in slightly more of a hurry. Than they had to.
30:23
Speaker 5: In say that I've flown back from Hong Kong. I
30:25
Speaker 5: mean walking to the gate in Hong Kong, I mean
30:28
Speaker 5: you pretty much need to put your your trainers and
30:31
Speaker 5: running shorts on. I mean they are huge distances, and
30:35
Speaker 5: yet coming back into he throw one of those poky
30:38
Speaker 5: little terminals. There's just that sense that people are not
30:42
Speaker 5: They're not calm, They're not they're not relaxed. They're not
30:45
Speaker 5: just going about their business, confident in the knowledge that
30:49
Speaker 5: all will be well and.
30:50
Speaker 2: They'll get it done.
30:51
Speaker 5: It's it's it's hard to describe, and I think it's
30:54
Speaker 5: hard to even identify unless you're right there amongst in
30:59
Speaker 5: really really paying attention to it.
31:01
Speaker 2: But it is.
31:02
Speaker 5: It is odd, and I cannot quite put my finger
31:06
Speaker 5: on why exactly that is and how it does seem
31:09
Speaker 5: to affect quite so many people.
31:10
Speaker 1: But you see it, I can relate. You see it
31:12
Speaker 1: everywhere I can relate to. I mean, just over the weekend,
31:16
Speaker 1: you know, we were were friends and you know, just
31:18
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, one friend says to me, sure the
31:21
Speaker 1: thing that's going on you run? You know, it makes
31:24
Speaker 1: me nervous, And immediately there's a sense of anxiety mm,
31:28
Speaker 1: and then the conversation very quickly goes dark as a result,
31:34
Speaker 1: and there's always something and this is also part of
31:38
Speaker 1: the information overload.
31:41
Speaker 2: Yeah.
31:41
Speaker 1: Although although although Mike, you did say a week or
31:45
Speaker 1: two ago that you don't think that we have an
31:47
Speaker 1: information overload, or at least let me rephrase that, you
31:50
Speaker 1: were saying that we are able to process.
31:53
Speaker 3: It was no.
32:04
Speaker 5: No.
32:05
Speaker 4: Look, just coming back to Charles's earlier point, he made
32:09
Speaker 4: the point that when he uses social media, it's a
32:12
Speaker 4: conscious decision. I think this is this is probably the
32:16
Speaker 4: one of the most important things to consider.
32:20
Speaker 2: You know.
32:21
Speaker 4: If I use social media for professional reasons, I do
32:26
Speaker 4: not use it for entertainment. Most people use social media
32:29
Speaker 4: for entertainment and they sit and they do them scroll. No,
32:35
Speaker 4: my view is go and do something less boring instead.
32:41
Speaker 4: Frankly so so for me, I've started fixing watches and
32:46
Speaker 4: I'm slowly starting to because i haven't been I haven't been. Yeah,
32:52
Speaker 4: i haven't been playing guitar for a very long time
32:55
Speaker 4: because I've got this sort of tandonized thing. But I've
32:57
Speaker 4: been just gently starting to spend a little bit of time,
33:01
Speaker 4: slowly trying to get back into that again. But because
33:05
Speaker 4: because you've got to find a way to just you know,
33:08
Speaker 4: do something which is mind expanding rather than mind contracting
33:12
Speaker 4: mind numbing, and something that actually inspires rather than instills
33:18
Speaker 4: fear and these kinds of things. Now, you know, frankly,
33:21
Speaker 4: the situation in Iran should be giving us concern, but
33:26
Speaker 4: we should It's about finding a balance. You know, if
33:30
Speaker 4: we're concerned about something, we should be trying to do
33:32
Speaker 4: something about the thing that we're concerned about. But in
33:35
Speaker 4: terms of our our life balance, this this is you know,
33:39
Speaker 4: we've got we cannot fight a fight if we are
33:43
Speaker 4: completely mentally screwed up. So we've got to find a
33:47
Speaker 4: way to get a balance in life and to you know,
33:51
Speaker 4: enjoy life at the same time. And so you know,
33:54
Speaker 4: finding ways to and I'll tell you, you know, repairing
33:58
Speaker 4: watches is totally stressful. It's way because because you're dealing
34:04
Speaker 4: with very tiny parts, and you're dealing with tweezers and
34:07
Speaker 4: they tend to ping off into towards the moon and
34:10
Speaker 4: you never see them again, and you know, so it
34:13
Speaker 4: has its challenges, but it's it's also it's also something
34:16
Speaker 4: where you've got to be you've got to have absent
34:18
Speaker 4: self control if.
34:19
Speaker 3: Any any any shake.
34:21
Speaker 4: In your hand, you're just got to just set it
34:23
Speaker 4: aside and come back to the literally you've got to
34:24
Speaker 4: It's it's something which I find, you know, in its
34:27
Speaker 4: own way, massively challenging and massively rewarding that.
34:32
Speaker 2: It is totally astonishing.
34:35
Speaker 1: Let's just quickly, let's just stay on this. This is
34:37
Speaker 1: an incredible hobby.
34:41
Speaker 5: I've seen I've seen well no, no, I mean just
34:43
Speaker 5: just to say I've I have seen some of the
34:46
Speaker 5: fruits of Mike's labors and indeed some of the some
34:50
Speaker 5: footage of what he has taken apart, and I mean
34:54
Speaker 5: the mind boggles, it really does, frankly, to imagine how
34:58
Speaker 5: on earth one would go putting that back to the
35:00
Speaker 5: character seeing a video. Yeah it is remarkable. Okay, well
35:05
Speaker 5: well I will do.
35:06
Speaker 4: But but but i'd all something as remarkable as it
35:09
Speaker 4: is to take these things apart and put them back
35:11
Speaker 4: together again. Where the mind really boggles for me, Bearing
35:15
Speaker 4: in mind that you know some of these things are
35:18
Speaker 4: two hundred years old, some of them are fifty years old.
35:21
Speaker 4: You know what boggles the mind for me is how
35:23
Speaker 4: how these parts were made in the first place.
35:26
Speaker 3: Because I just can't get my head round.
35:28
Speaker 4: How pre you know, a pre modern Indus industry, people
35:33
Speaker 4: were able to make that stuff. And it absolutely demonstrates
35:38
Speaker 4: the skills that humanity has lost because because there's nobody,
35:43
Speaker 4: very very few people on this on this planet that
35:46
Speaker 4: actually would be able to take something which is you know,
35:50
Speaker 4: the size of it to produce a screw that's the size.
35:53
Speaker 3: Of a grain of sugar.
35:54
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just incredible that that was that was
35:56
Speaker 4: made in the nineteen hundreds, middle middle of the of
36:01
Speaker 4: the or sorry, the eighteen hundreds, middle of the nineteenth century.
36:04
Speaker 4: It's it's just amazing.
36:07
Speaker 1: That is the definition of beauty.
36:12
Speaker 3: Yes, and it is. It's it's.
36:14
Speaker 4: It is something which which you know, the some some
36:19
Speaker 4: of the complications that are available in you know, whether
36:22
Speaker 4: it's moon phase or whatever it is, that are available
36:24
Speaker 4: in old time pieces. And somebody has worked out how
36:28
Speaker 4: to make a clockwork device show the phases of the
36:32
Speaker 4: moon at the right on the right days, or even
36:34
Speaker 4: just a calendar with the date on the with the
36:36
Speaker 4: date on the day. It's it is and there's you know,
36:40
Speaker 4: there are versions of most cheaper watches are less expensive watches.
36:46
Speaker 3: You have to obviously, at the end of the month.
36:48
Speaker 3: If the month is.
36:49
Speaker 4: Only thirty days or twenty nine days or twenty eight days,
36:51
Speaker 4: you've got to manually move it forward. But there's some
36:55
Speaker 4: people have solved the problem of perpetual calendar and just
36:59
Speaker 4: just to do that mechanically is just amazing to me
37:02
Speaker 4: that somebody has managed to solve that problem, because you know,
37:06
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even know where to start with the with
37:09
Speaker 4: the mechanics of that, it's just amusing.
37:12
Speaker 1: When you said you were fixing watches, almost made a
37:15
Speaker 1: joke about Cassio.
37:19
Speaker 3: Those digital watches.
37:20
Speaker 1: Basically you're changing the batteries. But yeah, up to a point,
37:26
Speaker 1: that's true, Yes, because that's what you think now when
37:30
Speaker 1: you think of a watch, you think of a digital watch.
37:34
Speaker 1: Funny enough, I don't wear a watch, but because I
37:37
Speaker 1: don't like the idea of of just having something on
37:40
Speaker 1: my arm. It just gets in the way. But I
37:43
Speaker 1: mean I can see the absolute beauty in watches, and
37:46
Speaker 1: particularly the old fashioned watches. Yeah, the poetry, you know,
37:54
Speaker 1: the poetry behind the artistry of it.
37:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I just love watching I watched the back
38:03
Speaker 4: more than I watched the front, not looking at them
38:07
Speaker 4: from the from the time point of view, just just
38:10
Speaker 4: just watching watching a watch movement work is just amazing.
38:14
Speaker 1: You mentioned you playing the tolls. I mean that's also beautiful.
38:17
Speaker 1: By the way, I think playing music or musical instrument
38:20
Speaker 1: is such a great way to just to break out
38:23
Speaker 1: of everything. Do you play ChIL.
38:27
Speaker 5: I for years have wanted to play the bagpipe, so
38:30
Speaker 5: I'm I'm making it.
38:35
Speaker 2: Okay, nobody wants to play.
38:39
Speaker 5: I don't know why that's any funnier than anything else,
38:41
Speaker 5: but well.
38:43
Speaker 3: It is, it is.
38:43
Speaker 4: But but it has to be said that Charles does
38:45
Speaker 4: live somewhere where he could play the bagpipes get away
38:49
Speaker 4: with it.
38:50
Speaker 5: Yeah, so yes, that's my that's my learning curve at
38:55
Speaker 5: the moment, which is which is terrific.
38:56
Speaker 2: There isn't There is no sound like it.
38:59
Speaker 1: No, I mean sure, I agree with you, but it's
39:01
Speaker 1: kind of like playing the drums. It's more for you
39:04
Speaker 1: than anybody else.
39:07
Speaker 2: I would disagree with you.
39:09
Speaker 5: And also, bagpipes are rather easier to carry around than
39:11
Speaker 5: the process.
39:13
Speaker 2: That's very noisy, okay, yeah on a volume front.
39:16
Speaker 5: Yeah okay, yeah, maybe maybe, although the learning you do
39:19
Speaker 5: on a on a chanter, so you don't actually you
39:21
Speaker 5: don't need the pipes to learn. You only need a
39:24
Speaker 5: chanter which is not very low, so that is bearable.
39:27
Speaker 5: But but you know, so for me that's the thing,
39:30
Speaker 5: But it does I mean that the the brain, the
39:33
Speaker 5: whole brain training thing is is absolutely fantastic. And I
39:37
Speaker 5: think just you know, the same thing with whether it's
39:40
Speaker 5: watches or guitar or whatever, the the many many things
39:45
Speaker 5: you're doing that you just you don't really consider. But
39:48
Speaker 5: of course it's not just hand eye coordination, but it's
39:52
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's so much beyond that, and and
39:55
Speaker 5: to get this comprehension of what it is that's actually
39:59
Speaker 5: happening and how. And I think also the other point
40:01
Speaker 5: I would make, you know, going back to having screws
40:05
Speaker 5: the size of a grain of sand being made a
40:09
Speaker 5: couple of one hundred years ago, that also is one
40:12
Speaker 5: in the eye to the extraordinary arrogance that is just
40:16
Speaker 5: put upon our generation as though we are absolutely at
40:22
Speaker 5: the apex of development progressions civilization, that we can do everything,
40:29
Speaker 5: as though all these idiots who lived before us were
40:33
Speaker 5: completely incapable. And I would put it totally the other
40:37
Speaker 5: way about. I mean, I can see, of course, I
40:39
Speaker 5: can see that people who have designed technological platforms and
40:47
Speaker 5: developments and whatever are clever. But also I can see
40:51
Speaker 5: now that huge amount of the sort of progress that
40:56
Speaker 5: we're told about is actually being conducted by the computers
41:00
Speaker 5: that have already been made. If that's not oversimplifying to
41:03
Speaker 5: too great a degree, you know, these aren't. We're not
41:05
Speaker 5: talking about people sitting in workshops now designing a watch
41:08
Speaker 5: in the way that would have happened a few hundred
41:11
Speaker 5: years ago. And I think we are. We are very
41:13
Speaker 5: foolish to forget the power of those those kind of inventions,
41:20
Speaker 5: what I would call proper inventions.
41:23
Speaker 1: It sounds like we are speaking very frivolously, but I
41:26
Speaker 1: can guarantee you there are going to be people who
41:28
Speaker 1: are going to feel inspired by listening to this, because
41:31
Speaker 1: what we're doing here is quite literally talking about solutions.
41:35
Speaker 1: To the opening segment, which was about depression and all that,
41:40
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you how do you get depressed
41:43
Speaker 1: when you're playing a musical instrument or when you're fixing
41:45
Speaker 1: an old, beautiful watch. It's an incredible experience of going
41:50
Speaker 1: into yourself and just enjoying that moment you become present.
41:54
Speaker 1: And that is something that my wife, for example, has
41:56
Speaker 1: said to me for years and years and years. You know,
41:59
Speaker 1: Paul at your goots. I've also got a couple of
42:01
Speaker 1: guitars and I like to play them, and you can
42:04
Speaker 1: spend hours just in your own world.
42:09
Speaker 5: Yeah, and again I think that's a terrible important thing,
42:11
Speaker 5: and this ability, you know, I think these things have
42:18
Speaker 5: to balance each other. Having talked about doing stuff consciously
42:22
Speaker 5: and deliberately, whether it be social media, and actually that's
42:24
Speaker 5: a good point Mike makes. I mean, to be proverly honest,
42:27
Speaker 5: were it not for the work that we do for
42:30
Speaker 5: UK column, I would never have gone anywhere near social
42:34
Speaker 5: media and hadn't until that point. I can't see the
42:37
Speaker 5: earthly point of it, but there we go. So this
42:42
Speaker 5: idea of doing stuff consciously and being in that moment
42:46
Speaker 5: and all the rest of it. The opposite of that,
42:49
Speaker 5: which again is a necessity, is being able to switch
42:54
Speaker 5: off and disengage and and I totally agree, so musical
42:58
Speaker 5: instruments a great example. I think the thing, of course
43:00
Speaker 5: that is a considerable part of our day is refreshing yourself,
43:07
Speaker 5: restoring yourself and sleeping properly. And I think there's also
43:12
Speaker 5: the great blurring of the lines now with people's constant
43:16
Speaker 5: use of technology and sort of forms of what's described
43:21
Speaker 5: as entertainment, this, that, and the other. That people are
43:24
Speaker 5: not sufficiently reducing their cortisol levels because of course you
43:28
Speaker 5: would just talk you know, we're just talking about the
43:29
Speaker 5: anxiety thing. And that again absolutely plays into this cycle
43:34
Speaker 5: where it is very easy to diagnose somebody with depression
43:37
Speaker 5: and introduce pharmaceutical products. They're never going to get off.
43:40
Speaker 5: And it is because people are not. This sort of
43:43
Speaker 5: sounds a bit silly, but they're not. They're not sort
43:44
Speaker 5: of consciously switching off in the way that you can
43:49
Speaker 5: with a musical instrument or indeed just you know, reading
43:52
Speaker 5: a book, and I do specifically mean a book, not
43:55
Speaker 5: a screen, a physical book, in order to just take
43:59
Speaker 5: away all that stuff that might be at the back
44:01
Speaker 5: of your mind in order that you can sleep, because
44:04
Speaker 5: if you're not, you know, if you're not recharging your
44:06
Speaker 5: batteries properly, you are you are no use. And I
44:09
Speaker 5: think a lot of people get through life, you know,
44:11
Speaker 5: because we have so many kind of stimulants available to
44:14
Speaker 5: our legal stimulants, it's very easy to convince yourself that
44:17
Speaker 5: you're still cracking on. Everything's okay because you're getting this done,
44:21
Speaker 5: you're still managing to get up.
44:22
Speaker 2: And get there and get here.
44:24
Speaker 5: But really, are you doing that to the very best
44:27
Speaker 5: of your ability? Probably not unless you're able to sort
44:31
Speaker 5: of complete that circle. And these two things do balance
44:34
Speaker 5: each other. I think it's a serious point as well.
44:37
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think that we're probably less healthy
44:39
Speaker 1: than people five hundred thousand years ago, just genuinely speaking,
44:43
Speaker 1: as a result of everything that's coming at us.
44:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, well, I can't see how we couldn't be.
44:51
Speaker 5: It's almost everything we've introduced into our lives and bodies
44:58
Speaker 5: and minds has been bad thing. I mean, Okay, sorry,
45:02
Speaker 5: I mean I mean that, well, you know what I mean. Yeah,
45:06
Speaker 5: I would agree with you.
45:07
Speaker 1: Well, I can't. I still can't get the image out
45:09
Speaker 1: of my mind when you're talking about playing bagpipes. I
45:13
Speaker 1: can imagine on a Friday, on a Friday evening, sitting
45:16
Speaker 1: around the fire, guyslet's let's let's do a little bit
45:19
Speaker 1: of Hey Jude, and then there comes Charles and he
45:21
Speaker 1: pulls up the bagpipes.
45:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not not quite hard work. You've never been
45:27
Speaker 5: to the United Kingdom, GERM, have you?
45:30
Speaker 1: I know, I've got my vis but I still I
45:33
Speaker 1: still need to camp.
45:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you're right, the campfire. Yeah, not quite a
45:40
Speaker 5: camp fire thing, not yet anyway, but you know.
45:43
Speaker 3: Maybe change not yet, When when will it ever be?
45:48
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
45:49
Speaker 4: Watch this space, I'll tell you where Charles is going
45:54
Speaker 4: to give his first his first back sorry, his first
45:57
Speaker 4: bagpipe concert at the UK call the twentieth event in September.
46:01
Speaker 2: Lovely.
46:02
Speaker 5: That that is fake news. No, hi to spot fake news.
46:06
Speaker 5: That is fake news. No, that's sorry.
46:09
Speaker 3: That would have sold twenty tickets.
46:12
Speaker 5: Tickets, Mike. Yeah, well, actually that's a good idea. Perhaps
46:17
Speaker 5: we do have to have a sort of camp fire
46:19
Speaker 5: kind of thing somehow. How are we going to how
46:20
Speaker 5: are we going to do that anyway? Yeah, lots to
46:22
Speaker 5: think about.
46:24
Speaker 3: You know.
46:24
Speaker 1: And part of this whole conversation is, as you said earlier, Mike,
46:30
Speaker 1: it's also about countering the negativity. I mean, right, youre
46:33
Speaker 1: in front of me. I've got us and Israel have
46:36
Speaker 1: have now struck oil sites in Tehran, you know, and
46:39
Speaker 1: every every single headline that's running underneath this is just negative. Right,
46:44
Speaker 1: that's just negative, and you think, oh my word, everything
46:47
Speaker 1: is just a catastrophe. And then if I can guarantee
46:51
Speaker 1: you if I open Facebook or X or whatever, it's
46:53
Speaker 1: going to be the same thing. It's just negativity, and
46:57
Speaker 1: you have to you have to find the ability to
46:59
Speaker 1: to to realize that you are being fed a series
47:05
Speaker 1: of narratives that are designed to keep you in a
47:08
Speaker 1: perpetual state of fear and anxiety. I mean, that's what
47:10
Speaker 1: my tiers is. But it' said on my show back
47:12
Speaker 1: in twenty one already it when you have free floating anxiety,
47:15
Speaker 1: people become easily controllable.
47:19
Speaker 3: And look, this comes back.
47:20
Speaker 4: I think this comes back to one of the things
47:23
Speaker 4: Charles said, I mentioned it already, the idea of doing
47:26
Speaker 4: things consciously. Right, So you know a major part of
47:30
Speaker 4: the issue here for people is that they are passively
47:35
Speaker 4: consuming what is being fed to them by Ben's generally
47:39
Speaker 4: mainstream press, rather than being active participants in the information space. Now,
47:47
Speaker 4: if you're an active participant in the information space, you
47:50
Speaker 4: go searching for the information, but then that maybe might work.
47:55
Speaker 3: Up to a point.
47:55
Speaker 4: Then you've got to decide if you're going to be
47:57
Speaker 4: actively doing something with that information. And so it always
48:02
Speaker 4: comes down to this separation between people who are producers
48:06
Speaker 4: and people who are consumers. And if you're just a
48:09
Speaker 4: consumer of what's going on, then you are beholden to
48:14
Speaker 4: whatever agenda or whatever somebody.
48:16
Speaker 3: Is feeding you.
48:18
Speaker 4: If you're a producer, or you're at least actively participating
48:21
Speaker 4: in the information space, then first.
48:23
Speaker 3: Of all, you can control, or you can do a
48:25
Speaker 3: lot better at controlling what your views are of that information.
48:30
Speaker 4: You can do a lot better job of controlling the
48:33
Speaker 4: type of stresses and emotions that you feel as a
48:36
Speaker 4: result of it. But we've been said, you know, we've
48:39
Speaker 4: always said this. The next step is doing something with it.
48:44
Speaker 4: And the process of doing something positive with whatever that
48:48
Speaker 4: information is is in and of itself therapeutic. And of course,
48:54
Speaker 4: the more people that are actively doing something with the
48:57
Speaker 4: information that they have ansciously obtained, the more likelihood there
49:03
Speaker 4: is of changing the circumstances that we find ourselves in.
49:06
Speaker 4: Because you become a campaigner of a type, or you
49:11
Speaker 4: work with other people to try to make a difference.
49:14
Speaker 4: This is how we go about changing situations. It's the
49:19
Speaker 4: problem for us is that most people are passive consumers
49:24
Speaker 4: of whatever is fed, and that result in at the
49:30
Speaker 4: same time depression and other anxieties, which then result in
49:35
Speaker 4: being passive consumers of the pharmaceuticals that they're fed.
49:38
Speaker 3: It is just a never ending cycle. And and but
49:42
Speaker 3: you know this is this is for us to break
49:44
Speaker 3: this cycle.
49:45
Speaker 1: But in many ways we're also own with enemies by
49:48
Speaker 1: the time this conversation of ours is right. My recording
49:52
Speaker 1: with Farmer Angus and Jim Girl would have aired. Also.
49:56
Speaker 1: Both separate episodes are extremely uplifting, ASI orientated, but will
50:02
Speaker 1: probably get very little traction. People choose to not want
50:08
Speaker 1: in many ways to get solutions.
50:13
Speaker 4: People will complain that they're not being given solutions, and
50:17
Speaker 4: then when solutions are made available to them, then they
50:19
Speaker 4: aren't interested in It is a fascinating bit of human psychology.
50:24
Speaker 4: I would very much love to see much stronger engagement
50:28
Speaker 4: with that type of conversation and most much stronger active
50:34
Speaker 4: sharing of that type of information rather than the doom
50:38
Speaker 4: scrolling and doom sharing that we see. But for some
50:42
Speaker 4: reason that you know, people will complain about how that
50:46
Speaker 4: stuff makes them feel, but it's always that stuff that
50:48
Speaker 4: gets shared. It's quite an amazing bit of human psychology.
50:53
Speaker 1: And I think Charles you'll agree with me. I mean,
50:55
Speaker 1: Angus is probably one of the most inspirational people out there.
50:58
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to have a commeation with him and
51:00
Speaker 1: walk away feeling depressed.
51:03
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean that that is absolutely true, and that's
51:06
Speaker 5: that is entirely his his sort of spirit and bearing
51:12
Speaker 5: and manner. But more than that, I think it's very
51:17
Speaker 5: important that that comes from complete confidence on his part
51:23
Speaker 5: in in what he's not just what he's saying, but
51:26
Speaker 5: but what he's doing, because it does make sense and
51:31
Speaker 5: it does work, and he absolutely owns all of that.
51:36
Speaker 5: And I think that's the that's the great part of it,
51:40
Speaker 5: is that to pursue a solution and translate that into success.
51:48
Speaker 5: I think you can only do that if you own it,
51:52
Speaker 5: if if it's completely within you, and therefore you know
51:58
Speaker 5: that you won't falter if you So, if you hope
52:01
Speaker 5: for a solution from somebody else, I don't think you
52:05
Speaker 5: can ever be completely invested in that. And of course,
52:09
Speaker 5: if it doesn't work out, learn and behold it's somebody
52:12
Speaker 5: else's fault in the way that if it does work,
52:16
Speaker 5: you probably congratulate yourself rather than the person that's put
52:20
Speaker 5: you in that position. So, yes, I think Angus is
52:25
Speaker 5: a fantastic example. I mean, I'm biased because I think
52:29
Speaker 5: for those who are not familiar with him. He's farming
52:33
Speaker 5: in South Africa in a way that is correctly described
52:37
Speaker 5: as regenerative and not the sort of fake corporate regenerative
52:42
Speaker 5: that does involve chemicals and fancy bits of kits. He
52:45
Speaker 5: is rejuvenating land via livestock, basically doing stuff exactly in
52:51
Speaker 5: the way that I believe benefits not just the land
52:55
Speaker 5: but also the animals and the humans that end up
52:58
Speaker 5: eating the products that come from those labors. And so
53:02
Speaker 5: he I think has completely nailed it and he is
53:06
Speaker 5: able to explain and articulate that very very well.
53:08
Speaker 2: But yeah, just a in a.
53:10
Speaker 5: Terrifically positive way, because what is there to be negative about.
53:15
Speaker 5: I mean, it's you know, he's in an absolutely beautiful
53:17
Speaker 5: place doing something he loves. And also he's making a
53:20
Speaker 5: lot of other people very happy. I mean, he has
53:23
Speaker 5: I don't know how many, but he's he's got a
53:24
Speaker 5: lot of people involved in the setup working for him. Again,
53:28
Speaker 5: as far as I understand, all of whom really appreciate
53:31
Speaker 5: what it is that they're doing and how different that
53:33
Speaker 5: is from simply plowing pharmaceuticals and chemicals back into the
53:38
Speaker 5: ground and the livestock, you know, which of course, is
53:41
Speaker 5: the absolute opposite of what he's doing, and that's that's
53:43
Speaker 5: going into a downward spiral. Angus is in an upward spiral,
53:48
Speaker 5: and I think there's you know, we have to be
53:50
Speaker 5: very deliberate to make the connection between his state of mind,
53:53
Speaker 5: which is entirely positive, and what he's doing. They are,
53:57
Speaker 5: they are inextricably linked. So you know, Mike talks about
54:01
Speaker 5: this a lot, but you know, the number of people
54:03
Speaker 5: who just it is we didn't call it the daily
54:06
Speaker 5: grind for nothing, people who just go into jobs that
54:09
Speaker 5: make them miserable and just it is literally a case
54:11
Speaker 5: of just sort of struggling through the day. Well you
54:15
Speaker 5: know what falls out of that is obviously you're not
54:17
Speaker 5: doing the right thing for yourself.
54:22
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
54:22
Speaker 2: Gone, no, no, no, no, that's it. Gone now.
54:25
Speaker 1: I was going to say, so you're saying, what is
54:26
Speaker 1: it to be negative about? Well, I went and filmed.
54:28
Speaker 1: I took my camera and I went to Angus's farm
54:30
Speaker 1: and so we walked to his cattle. So you'll see it.
54:32
Speaker 1: So by the time this comes out, you hopefully will
54:35
Speaker 1: have seen the video. We went onto his farm, and yes,
54:38
Speaker 1: what's to be negative about the government is trying to
54:42
Speaker 1: vaccinate all cattle around the country because of this fake
54:45
Speaker 1: outbreak which they've which they've labeled as a national emergency,
54:52
Speaker 1: and he openly states they are not coming onto my farm.
54:55
Speaker 1: His cattle will not be vaccinated. His animals are very healthy.
55:00
Speaker 1: So the negative part is the attempt from the only
55:03
Speaker 1: garchy to come and essentially poison his animals, and he's saying,
55:09
Speaker 1: not a chance they are healthy.
55:11
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I hope.
55:13
Speaker 5: I mean, notwithstanding, we've just been talking about the preponderance
55:19
Speaker 5: of people to sort of not get up and do
55:23
Speaker 5: something and make a difference. But I do get the
55:26
Speaker 5: sense that twenty twenty six, this year does have a
55:29
Speaker 5: slightly different feel for it, and I think what has
55:32
Speaker 5: just happened and is happening in Iran plays to that,
55:35
Speaker 5: because I really do feel that an increasing number of
55:40
Speaker 5: people are not adjust they really have had enough. And
55:45
Speaker 5: I was just thinking, you know, specifically for the United Kingdom,
55:50
Speaker 5: having been told by that, you know, in ridiculous terms,
55:55
Speaker 5: utterly disingenuous, that we're as a nation year, we're not
55:58
Speaker 5: becoming involved in the Nearran conflict. We're there for defensive
56:03
Speaker 5: operations only, collective self defense, or I mean absolute rubbish.
56:07
Speaker 2: Clearly the intent is that we do get drawn in now.
56:11
Speaker 5: We are facilitating that, of course, because we have a
56:14
Speaker 5: substantial United States, particularly air Force presence in the United Kingdom.
56:19
Speaker 5: And if today's supposed to believe at the same time
56:22
Speaker 5: from security service that Iranian terror plots being thwarted left,
56:26
Speaker 5: right and center, what are we supposed to consider in
56:30
Speaker 5: light of the fact that United Kingdom bases are being
56:34
Speaker 5: used by the Americans to bomb Iran? Is that going
56:37
Speaker 5: to make these supposed terror plots more likely or less likely?
56:41
Speaker 5: And therefore anyone who's living in the vicinity of an
56:45
Speaker 5: American air base should be asking themselves, why am I
56:49
Speaker 5: accepting this? Why are we as a population accepting that
56:54
Speaker 5: we are now part of a threat matrix that is
57:00
Speaker 5: being enhanced by all of It's been okay, I'm giving
57:05
Speaker 5: this sort of the official version of events because from
57:09
Speaker 5: that you can argue, you can sort of argue the
57:12
Speaker 5: point with those that have delivered it to you. But
57:14
Speaker 5: you know, a question to the state is, seriously, you're
57:18
Speaker 5: saying at the same time that there are more terror
57:22
Speaker 5: incidents with Iranian so called Iranian backing in the United Kingdom,
57:28
Speaker 5: and in order to try to mitigate this. We are
57:31
Speaker 5: going to allow the Americans to bomb Iran from the
57:35
Speaker 5: United Kingdom. So I think that there'll be things like
57:41
Speaker 5: this that absolutely are going to push people over the edge,
57:44
Speaker 5: because we are now far enough away from the sort
57:50
Speaker 5: of COVID torture for people to have gathered their senses,
57:54
Speaker 5: I think, And I mean, okay, I don't have any
57:58
Speaker 5: evidence really beyond anadal and stuff that one does see
58:01
Speaker 5: sort of out there, but I do just get the
58:04
Speaker 5: sense that we are going to see a bit of
58:07
Speaker 5: a sea change this year, and I really hope that
58:09
Speaker 5: that does have a knock on effect on all the
58:12
Speaker 5: people that have to date done the sort of yeah,
58:16
Speaker 5: well look, I want a solution, but I don't really
58:18
Speaker 5: want to grip it myself and push them into seeing
58:21
Speaker 5: exactly what it is they can do and why they
58:24
Speaker 5: should do it and what the benefits are because you
58:27
Speaker 5: never regret it.
58:30
Speaker 1: Well, that's what we are doing at yuk Kuanam, I think. So,
58:34
Speaker 1: I hope so encouraging others hopefully.
58:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really really hope so.
58:38
Speaker 5: And and you know, we'd love to, like we always do,
58:40
Speaker 5: you know, we'd love to hear from people as to
58:43
Speaker 5: what changes they have made.
58:44
Speaker 2: How that's how that's gone down.
58:47
Speaker 5: I mean, I would love to have you know what
58:48
Speaker 5: I've literally just said about my sense that people are
58:54
Speaker 5: beyond the end of their tether and they are going
58:57
Speaker 5: to actually do something. I'd love to hear back, what
59:00
Speaker 5: are people doing? What have you heard about?
59:02
Speaker 4: You know, we'd love to we'd love to actually feature
59:06
Speaker 4: these Yes, actually, this is something which is missing at
59:11
Speaker 4: the moment, and we would love to hear from people
59:13
Speaker 4: that are doing stuff and and just to hear about
59:17
Speaker 4: the changes that they've made in their lives and hopefully
59:19
Speaker 4: because that is an inspiration to others.
59:22
Speaker 2: So so.
59:24
Speaker 3: Bring it on.
59:25
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, please please do get in touch because again
59:28
Speaker 5: this you know, just think of it in this sense,
59:31
Speaker 5: the more of this we can put out there, the
59:34
Speaker 5: more we showcase it, the more people will be inspired.
59:37
Speaker 5: There is absolutely a multiplier effect in doing this. So yeah,
59:41
Speaker 5: come forth.
59:42
Speaker 1: That is now a really good way to end this conversation.
59:45
Speaker 1: Because I always joke and say on that uplifting note,
59:48
Speaker 1: but this is an yeah all right, Yeah, Mike Charles,
59:57
Speaker 1: thanks guys, all the chet you see